Will Cain Country - Jesse Waters' Rules For Men & A Conversation On Faith & Service w/ Emily Compagno

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

On this encore episode,  In his new book Get It Together: Troubling Tales from the Liberal Fringe, Host of 'Jesse Watters Primetime,' Jesse Watters spends 300 pages getting inside the mind of the most radical liberals. After Watters gets in a few jabs at Will, who turns the table to find out why Watters is the way that he is. Plus, Host of 'The FOX News True Crime Podcast' & 'Outnumbered' Co-Host, Emily Compagno talks about her new book, Under His Wings: How Faith on the Front Lines Has Protected American Troops and shares the incredible stories of the impact that faith has on our troops and their families. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Fox News YouTube channel and Fox News Facebook page, Terrestrial Radio across this great country. and always available on demand at Apple or on Spotify. Merry Christmas Eve. I hope you're having a wonderful season with your family and remembering the reason for the season, the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Not that this necessarily will fit the holiness of the occasion, but today we have Jesse Waters.

We also have a conversation about faith, though, with Emily Campano. He is the host of Jesse Waters' primetime he is a friend and he is fun and he had a good time and he had made sure we had a good time here on the wheel can show here is revisiting a conversation we had with jesse waters he is a multiple time best-selling author and that will no likely no um not unlikely be the case again because he has written a new book get it together where jesse interviews some two dozen radical leftists to understand why they are the way they are. What's up, Jesse? How you doing? No one told me you were

going to interrogate me. You knew that would be the case. I wouldn't have agreed to do this interview if I had known that. But go ahead. I think you secretly want to. I think you secretly want people to understand Jesse Waters. You, uh, you're, you're, hey, Jesse, uh, you're an interesting dude. Before we get into why you've interviewed all these interesting people, you're an interesting dude. You and I've hung out some behind the scenes. And I would say to the audience, like, you are the same dude behind the scenes that you are on camera, which I consider a really big compliment. But you are unique, man. Like, you know, in my 40-plus some-odd years of hanging out with dudes, I can verifiably say, you're a dude. But you're a different, like, amalgamation of dude than I've ever run across. In your own words, you're arrogant, you're smug. You are cocky. You have faux humility. And I know some of those guys, but I've never known one with self-awareness.

I've never known one that understands he is all of those things. Which makes one wonder, are you really? Are you really all of those things? We hung out once, Cain. Once. And the whole time I tried to get you out of my system. I mean, but sure. Am I confident? Yes, Kane, you have to be a little confident in this business. You're overconfident. You're overcompensating. Everybody knows that. But I do, I am humble. I know I could lose this job and I had probably no skills to fall back on. You could probably do sports. I couldn't. This is all I have. And I'm deeply self-aware about my limitations because my mother has driven those bad awareness into my brain since a very, very young age.

Tell me about, and I'm not trying to put you on the psychotherapist's couch. You talk about her on the five, and we're going to do this because you've done this to, again, some two dozen radical lefties. But, like, tell me about your mom. Like, isn't your mom on the left? Oh, yeah, far left. Mondale, Dukakis. Do I have to talk about my mother? Because she really, her ego is probably bigger than yours at this point.

What I'm curious about is, and I'll tell you, like, you know, I grew up in a small town in Texas. My dad was an attorney. He would have described himself as a Democrat, but there was nothing, like nothing that would have ticked the boxes. Certainly of a modern-day Democrat or even, you know, an 80s Democrat. He was one out of self-preservation because he was a trial attorney, and he needed to be a Democrat in order to protect his profession. Like, you spent so much time wondering why all these other people are the way they are. How did you grow up with the mom in the far left and you end up conservative? She was a flower power, hippie, non-protester.

That's where she came of age in the 60s, you know, in Ohio. Four dead in Ohio. That was her rallying cry. And women's rights, reproductive rights, cane. It's, oh my gosh. And so I was raised, and my father is like that too, although not that radical. I was raised to believe in caring, sharing, and making friends, and being respectful, being polite. And so I rebelled and became a right-wing agitator.

And I've been very successful at doing that. But I've also incorporated those core values, which are not liberal values. Those are universal values of respect, community. I just feel like I've made those values my own. And my mom's still proud of me. She's happy that I have health insurance. She's proud that I've written a book in English without a lot of grammatical errors. But aside from that, if I'm not on a show on Fox, she will not watch.

she will not watch she is she's revolted by the whole thing she's excited that they're seizing Trump's properties that makes her happy that's kind of where we are she thinks he's a threat to democracy like she thinks

the dictator on day one hoax she thinks that's probably true let's take a quick break and continue our conversation with the host of jesse waters primetime jesse waters on the will cane show news sports and talk the will cane show This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast.

Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts. Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. We're revisiting a conversation we had with. the host of Jesse Waters' primetime. Here's Jesse Waters. When did you rebel? When did you become such a disappointment?

I understand she's proud of you had helpful. I was always a disappointment. It was just the level of disappointment got a lot better. In college, I think I had too much to drink. And I remember watching C-SPAN and seeing all these Republican senators on the floor talking about their values. And they were the same values that I had been reading about that the founding fathers had espoused about personal responsibility, limited government, low taxes. and I, wait a second, I think I might be a Republican. So then I started listening to Limbaugh, and after that, forget about it.

I was hooked. Yeah, mine was similar, by the way. Again, it was more like teams back then. It wasn't really ideology-based. It was like, you know, oh, I guess my dad's a Democrat, so I'm a Democrat. But then mine was somewhere around probably post-college law school because I just wasn't very political in college. I cared more, as I still often do, about sports.

But mine was learning about the Constitution. And that's one thing as we get into your book. You, by the way, and I'm not one for gratuitous compliments, Waters. You know, I don't tell people their dog is cute unless it is. So when I say that I really, really like your book, I really do. I mean, I think it's really good, and it's curiosity-driven, which is one of my favorite things. And I want to know why these people are the way they are,

why they think the way they think. But you and I both just said that we became the way that we are, or how we think, by sort of learning our way into it. Did you find, as you were interviewing these two dozen or so individuals, did any of them had a similar path to you? Like, many of them had childhood trauma, many of them. But did you find many as like, you know what? Waters?

I researched. I read. And you know what I figured out? This is a better way to organize society. Well, first, I just want to tell the audience that you are much smarter than I am. I did not go to law school. I did not have a career in sports journalism. I started at the bottom at Fox and then got lucky and failed up.

So you are much more educated than I am. So it's just I'm still astounding that you have not been more successful than I have at Fox. No one can figure it out with all that brain power and creativity. I'm just, maybe you'll figure it out one day. Maybe it's... This is just for the record, for the audience. This is the faux humility of a primetime host appearing on a digital show. Not true.

I cracked open when I was lost in my early 20s, cracked open. What do they call it? Is it the GMAT, the LSAT book? Second page, I shut it. I said, I'm not going to law school. It's too much. Those little word problems, the logic, forget about it. Couldn't do it.

So now I just shoot from the hip, well. But, yes, I, I, I had struggles. You've had struggles. You probably were ridiculed and teased as a child because of your looks and your athletic abilities. And your social skills, the girls hated you. You probably had a rough time in high school like I did. And then you grew out of that and you learned how to develop your skills. You were put to work somewhere.

And I was, I always figured out that action. created success. If you're sitting around and you're thinking about things, that's not going to get you very far. But if you're busy and you're working and you stay hungry, you get up at 6 a.m. You work. You work. I was good at doing what I was told. I didn't have a lot of time to think about how I felt or how other people. I just do. I execute, execute, execute, execute, execute. And I did well, a lot of these people who I spoke to for hours and they told me their life stories had traumatic childhood's probably a little worse than yours. And I don't want to make light of this, but these people suffered rape.

They suffered abuse. Their fathers were barstool dads, their moms, nymphomaniacs, neglected, all kinds of horrible things. And where some people grow out of it, these people weren't able to grow out of it. And so they had a lot of issues. And then instead of working on their issues, they say, I'm not the problem. Society's the problem. None of these are my issues.

It's your issues. And if we could just change society to fit how my problems are, then I'll be fine. So we have to get rid of gender. We have to get rid of prisons. We have to get rid of the border. Then I'll feel better. And then my issues will be solved. But what does that do?

All that does is make their issues are issues. Because no one's told these people to get it together. Did you have a mom or a dad that told you to get it together? My mom would look at me and she'd say, Jesse, get it together. And I, okay, got it together, figured it out. And no one wants to say that anymore. We're afraid of stigmatizing. We're afraid of telling people to get it together because we don't want to be judgmental.

That's the meanest possible thing. But the more we allow these people to not take responsibility for their lives, the more we allow them to just do whatever they want, whenever they want, whether it's drugs all the time, whether it's cross-dressing and dancing in front of children, whether it's mainstreaming, being attracted to minors, I mean, they're just going to go willy-nilly until we tell them to get it together. No. That's the title of the book, Get It Together, Troubling Tales from the Liberal French. And the book is broken down into various interviews Jesse did.

with archetypes, but real people that fall into some categories like the following. You have the Open Borders Professor, the BLM supporter, the African Nationalist, the anti-work inactivist, and it goes on, as you point out, to those who describes themselves as trans women who identify as wolves. But the thing about it is, while that's somewhat comedic in terms of how you drew these archetypes, they're real people, and it is fascinating to hear their stories. and kind of, you came at this, you know, despite your lack of, you know, introspection, you came at this with some real curiosity.

And in reading this, it's enjoyable because you kind of debate them, but you also interview them, and you display a real interest, a curiosity, and who they are as human beings. Who was your favorite? Like, who was your favorite person that you interviewed in this process? The man who identifies as a wolf. I guess he's transgender. I don't know what we're calling him.

he, she, whatever. This is someone who's really, really troubled. But they're hilarious because they howl. I booked this wolf on my show and they went, and they pranced around in the wilderness. And they say they go to wolf farms and they cuddle the wolves. Now, to me, I've always been fascinated with weird people. When I used to go out for the O'Reilly Factor on the streets,

I used to interview some of the craziest people of all time. And I would only get to talk to them for two or three minutes and then we'd wrap and I'd go to the next one. This was an opportunity for me to talk to these people for hours. And Will, they told me everything. In graphic detail, their life stories. Now, I don't know if you've ever had someone sit down for two hours, three hours, and tell you their full life story. Their parents, when they lost their virginity, the most traumatic experience, their financial

status, their marital relationships, their ideological beliefs, getting fired, getting hired, their sex lives. They told me everything. Their addictions, their dreams, their nightmares. I mean, one guy tells me his father was some sort of Native American, left him at a very early age. He was molested. He was into crack at like 17.

he decides to go to Mexico and get involved in this tribe that smokes toad. And he goes to these reservations on the coast, just south of where cartel territory is, pulls these toads, squeezes the secretions, gives some of these psychedelic toad medicinal to one of the cartels's greatest assassins, supposed to put you in a dreamlike stance supposed to make you closer to God and this woman probably has 400 kills under her belt

and she sees the devil throws up, has a bad trip and he's just sitting there next to one of the most lethal women in South America smoking toad venom this guy tells me this and I don't know what to tell him

he says he's seen God now have you seen God I know you work with Pete Hex Seth. That's about as close as we're going to get. I mean, when someone tells you how they saw God, and you're a great debater, and a lot of people see that on television, I'm not as good of a debater as you are. You're very quick, you're very argumentative, and that's why people don't like you, because you're not very agreeable. I know how to listen, and I'm more agreeable, and I don't like to jump down everybody's throat because I don't have as much to prove as you do,

but you are an excellent debater. And I, you would, be able to pull off this book because you'd probably just yell at these people and debate them. I have a softer touch and that's what makes me mean. That's what makes you. This is insanity. This is insanity. No, you're very good at debating. You'd probably out debate me. I don't care if you beat me. It doesn't bother me. But you're very good. And that's why I will never debate you. Jesse Waters with a soft touch. You have this real, I mean it Waters. There's a talent here that it's just really unexplored, and it deserves its own one-hour exploration of psychotherapy, where, you know, how do you wrap compliments and insults?

And how do you get away with, you know, jumping down Jessica Tarlov's throat while with a little twinkle and smile in your eye remaining friends the minute it goes to commercial break? And even during the segment, and how do you manage to be so mean while making me like you? Tyrus said that I get right up against the line so I don't get punched in the face. I'm very good at finding that line. I like to live on that line. Britt Hume told me the other day when we were in New Hampshire. He sat me down.

He said, Jesse, I have a little advice. You have to stop interrupting Jessica. He said, it's bad TV. And so now I'm trying to not interrupt Jessica so much. And I still get paid the same amount. I mean, I don't get paid more to interrupt her. I just talk less, and I sit there and I listen. Let's take a quick break and continue our conversation with the host of Jesse Waters' prime time,

Jesse Waters on the Wilcane trip. Book club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday. Quiet night in on Friday. It's good to have a routine. And it's good for your eyes too.

Because with regular comprehensive eye exams at Specsavers, you'll know just how healthy. they are. Visit specksavers.caver's to book your next eye exam. Eye exams provided by independent optometrists. Welcome back to the Will Kane show. We're revisiting a conversation we had with the host of Jesse Waters' primetime.

Here is Jesse Waters. All right, last little bit here. So just personal stuff. How you doing, man? You're back. I mean, you start out with the back. I had a buddy that had back surgery. didn't go well. By the way, you use

your back as your window into empathy for other human beings. So, all right. When I walk around. How's your back? My back's better. Thank you for asking. When I walk around, pre-back surgery,

I didn't think about other people. I walked around. I was like looking where I was going and that was pretty much it. When I was recovering from surgery, I'm like limping in pain around Manhattan. and I'm noticing other people in pain. I'd never notice other people in pain.

And so that kind of got me thinking, maybe I should think about other people a little bit more at age 44. And I did, and I listened, and now I know more. Apparently, you can learn more by listening. That is also a big takeaway from a ball. It's a revelation. Yes. Late in life, I discovered that.

I'm glad your back is doing well. I've heard that 99% of back surgeries are failures, So maybe you're in the 1%. Really quickly before we go, when I fill in for you on your show, one of my favorite things is the production staff will randomly drop. Well, Jesse says that's not something a man should do. And there's like a running list of rules for men, one of which you and I've laughed about together on the five, and we agree, men should not drink out of straws. Just flat out, hard rule. Your staff told me one that I don't know that I agree with.

And you said men should not have best friends. So give me like three or four of the men should not. It's the rules for men, according to Jesse Waters. You reach a certain age where you can have friends, but you don't call them my best friend. And this came up with one of my producers said they were away for their weekend with his best friend. And he's like 40. I just thought that was a little odd. Also, men should not eat soup in public.

But there's some exceptions. If you're in New England, and it's a chowder situation, and you're on a dock, on a wooden bench with seagulls, and you have a lot of those, what are those little, like, cracker things, you can eat that way. I wouldn't, but, and a, and a heart, and a nice bisque is acceptable, like a thick bisque. But I'm not, I'm not into, you know, vichy swat, you know, at a restaurant in front of everybody meant pursing their lips, like, It's not I don't like when I Also when men eat ice cream in public I do have an exception there

On vacation you're allowed To lick an ice cream cone I'd prefer you to eat it out of a cup With a spoon But when men Show their tongue Around other men I don't think that's really masculine

I don't want to see their tongue Some part of their body that I don't want to see I don't think you needed to go to law school to have this, you know, shoot from the hip instinct that I think so far, at least when it comes to rules for men, is pretty infallible. I am with you on every single one of those. The ice cream cone, the soup, which I don't even eat soup, period, much less in public. So you don't eat soup? Even the bet. You don't eat soup.

No, I'm anti-soup. You're anti-suit. No, it's prison food. I'm anti-soup. what about like a split pea with thick country ham no soup it takes a good meal and pours water on it it's prison food i eat some ham and peas but why do i need water on top of it anti-suit what about as an appetizer or on a cold winter afternoon in a cabin drink a hot beverage or eat a salad as an appetizer okay so you're not you're actually did soup do something to you

We go. Here we go. We could get into my anti-soup, but instead you can get into the mind of the troubling liberal fringe. Get it together. It's Jesse Waters' new book. Seriously, genuine endorsement. I really enjoy this book. I find it very curiosity-driven with a whole heaping help of Jesse Waters.

All right, man. I don't know if it's just once, but it feels like we've hung out like half a dozen times. Yeah, I know. You'll hang out. You're never around, though. You live, where do you live in Texas? Correct. Yeah, you live in Texas.

And then you come here on the weekends, and then you face off against Heg-Seth and Feats of Strength. And you're better at parlor games, and he's better at athletics. It's all true. It's all true. If it's darts, billiards, ping-pong, shuffleboard, it's like you clean up. But if it's like basketball, you're in trouble. He's a D1 basketball player at Princeton. Right.

But he gets me in football. He gets me in wrestling. But I appreciate your viewership. And I'll look forward to the invitation to the country club, or maybe there'll be a pickup lacrosse game, and we can sit together and eat soup. Okay. Didn't you play water polo?

That's what I thought. Okay, all right. He got me again. Thanks, Kane. Jesse Waters. Thank you. Get it together. Go get the book, the newest book.

by Jesse Waters. Don't go anywhere. Coming up in just a moment, host of Outnumbered Emily Campano on a new book she has that explores the role of faith in war. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio.

Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. Under His Wings, Emily Campano, the co-host of Outnumbered, has written a new book about the role of faith and war.

This is The Will Kane Show, broadcasting live on terrestrial radio across this great country, always available on demand at Spotify or on Apple. Emily Campano is a friend at Fox News, and she has an amazing new book out called Under His Wings. We spoke to her a little bit earlier this year. Here is Emily Campano. What's up, Emily?

Thanks for having me. Will, so grateful to be on. So this is exciting. You've got a new book out under his wings. Tell me about this. This is about the connection between war fighters and prayer. Yes, sir. And I just want you to know how much I appreciate being able to talk to you about this.

Because you approach every topic, every concept, very thoughtfully, very holistically. You are not a top crust kind of person. And to this book, while it can be summed up concisely, it is really three books and one and it has a depth to it that goes far beyond the tagline which is how faith has protected American troops on the front lines I come from a really strong military family

and we have quite a legacy that I'm honored to serve as a messenger for and for example my great-great-aunt she was a lieutenant in the U.S. Army Nurse Corps and in World War II she deployed for 16 months while they're visiting her brother who had made the ultimate sacrifice, my great-great-uncle in Surin France

But she wrote home. And so we saved her letters. My family saved her letters that she wrote home throughout the entire deployment. And we have this really vivid and insane insight into what it was like to be a female nurse on the front lines in World War II in Europe. Her first procedure was a leg amputation. And she was from New York. So she, you know, slipped out from the New York Harbor on the 125th hospital expedition ship. I think I butcher how to phrase that name. But it's really an incredible look. into history, my great, great cousin was there at Pearl Harbor. So through my family stories and our records in the book, our photographs, any military history buff will love this. And then to your point, the warfighter stories that I have the honor of carrying the voices for from World War II through the global war on terror and the front lines being home, you know what battling the ultimate sacrifice grief looks like and PTSD and catastrophic wounds, these intimate experiences that these warfighters had on the battlefield. Again, the battlefield could be your own home now, deeply intimate experiences with God and their faith and what that looked

like. Stories from POWs in Vietnam and infantry men in Vietnam, Korean War. It just, it's a really profound book because of the voices within, not anything I did. And then my USO tour in Kuwait and Iraq in 2009, where we got stranded in Sauter City, Baghdad, which if anyone knows, they know that is sort of an insane place to get stranded, let alone to even be as an NFL cheerleader. and the colonel there took great care of us. We were there all night, and he drove over an IED three days later. He lost his legs, and another young sergeant, Sergeant Timothy David, lost his life. And 15 years later, he and I reunited.

And as he credits prayer with surviving multiple times, he died multiple times to be resuscitated, Will, that reunion story and the story of his triumph, as he says, God promised me eternal life, not eternal legs. That, too, is in this book. Incredible. So I am familiar with some of your personal connection to the military. Let's touch on the third and first portion of this book as you broke it down into essentially three different walks through the role of faith and war.

And the third and the first focused on the connection to you, Emily. I know as a Raiders cheerleader, you took tours over there. I think that was part of why you were with the USO tours. But you were just saying, I don't want to be weird and hold up my book, but I want you to be weird and hold up your book. Because you were showing me inside the book, like in the front jacket, are all the medals won by your family. So while I've known you've had this connection to the military,

you just rattled off like two branches of your family tree. Like how much is your family committed to the U.S. military? Everyone. And thank you for that. Thank you for saying that. So these are all in the end papers. These are all the medals that are my families that hang on my childhood homes walls. And then in the back end papers,

these are what I had the privilege of receiving in Kuwait and Iraq all of mine. as simply a visiting U.S.O. Tour cheerleader. But I had soldiers, you know, taking off patches from their uniforms and handing it to me. So my father was a commander in the U.S. Navy Medical Corps. My uncles, both Army,

great-grandfather, Purple Heart, in World War II, World War I and World War II, I had multiple. At one point, for example, when I got Aunt Lou, I call her, she was my great-great-great-a-ant that I mentioned. She had seven direct relatives in the military in all branches

at the same time, and the same week that her brother lost his leg before making the ultimate sacrifice, her brother-in-law, which was my great-grandfather, over, in Jalgon France, a shell exploded under him. He was in a coma for 30 days. His wife Rosa was told he was dead, and for 30 days thought she was a war widow, only to discover via telegram that he was actually alive. And at the end of that, you know, he was taken from a combat position, and he worked in then the POW camps because he spoke German.

So on the back cover, there's a picture of a P.O.W. camp, and that's my great-grandfather there. And my great-grandmother, my great-grandmother, I know that's like there weren't all these greats. But my great-grandmother, also Rosa, which is why my middle name is Rose, was part of the 1930 gold-star pilgrimage that Calvin Coolidge signed into law. So all of the gold-star mothers and widows sailed over in the 30s to visit where their husbands and sons were buried. She went to Surin France. So I have these photographs of her at her son's grave and then her daughter at her brother's grave. And then my mother at that grave, he was part of the Rainbow Division under Patton.

So these legacies I credit my mother with wholeheartedly for as our family historian telling me the stories, keeping the record, showing me these photographs. And this is just the tip of the iceberg will, I mean, there's so much more depth in the book and so many more people that I go into that are my beloved ancestors that I'm so proud to, again, just serve as a very tiny messenger for their bravery and them being heroes of faith and heroes of, to me, heroes of war. Okay, let's take a quick break. We'll continue this conversation on Under His Wings with Emily Campanio coming up on The Wheelcane Show.

Welcome back to The Willcane Show. you, the author of a brand new book under his wings. I mean, I can't help but ask the curiosities that come into my mind. And I think what you're illustrating for all of us is the kind of stories that you've shared in the depth of research. And I can't believe your ability for recall of all these different individual names, specifically the ones that aren't related to you as we talk about this. But I want to ask you a little bit of a selfish question. And that is this. You know, I know these things come about various ways. I know a book can be pitched to you. and that's how the book comes about.

Like, I've often thought, well, you should write a book. What do I want to write about? What I want to give this amount of time to? So I want to ask you, like, how this became the inspiration for your book, but I'm not going to ask it that way because, again, there's so many ways.

Maybe Fox News said, here's a great idea, Emily, or maybe you came up with the idea. But at some point in this process, Emily, you had to be inspired. Like, you had to be inspired to say, I am giving my time for this. Maybe it was at inception, or maybe it was after the idea was launched

and you had to put your time in effort and sit and research and talk and read and ultimately write so i'm just kind of curious why this what inspired you to write this i mean straight up my real answer is that it was divine like i i wholeheartedly know that god created this opportunity for me because i know wholeheartedly that this book serves to enlarge his territory and serves to enlarge the territory of those voices within. It was a collaboration. The earthly reason is it was a collaboration between Fox and Harper Collins and I. And so the conversations we had rather quickly led to this in its entirety. And again, on my mom, you know, she, she's written books that were self-published as the family historian.

You know, frankly, she was a genealogist. So she had already written 85 pages single-spaced on Aunt Lou alone. Like I can't keep up with her. So I, my, my, the deepest honor I have in addition to serving as a messenger for those proclaiming their faith in Jesus Christ and God is, is that I was able to carry the ball that my mom started, that I could, you know, go to my mom and say, this is our book and her life's work and her passion and are all our relatives' voices who are in this book, some of, many of whom aren't with us anymore, but the researchers of my generation, some of whom aren't with us anymore. Like, that is what I'm so deeply proud of. And that's how I know as well that this book is so, like I talked

about in the beginning, it's so much deeper than just, you know, telling a story that I had in 2009. This is the culmination of a life's passion, many life's passions, actually. Well, that, first of all, I'm super jealous of your mom. I've, I've, no, I really think it's awesome that you know your family history like that. And I want to, and I know a little bit because I've done internet research, but I've never really paid for whatever, genealogy.com. and I think it even has its limitations, but you can go pretty deep. But I thought, even recently, like, I'm going to hire somebody

because I don't have the time to do it necessarily. I'm going to hire somebody because I want all of this info. I think you've got to know who you are and where you come from. And I think that's awesome that your mom has done that for your family. Secondarily, I love your answer, that not only was it divine, the inspiration for this, but that it was part of spreading his territory, as you put it. Because, I don't know, there's a lot of different ways in which we think about God

and your own personal relationship with God. God, but seeing it through the lens of war and service and these types of people is, I think, definitely an act of service in spreading his territory. So I think that's awesome. And I can't wait. I can't wait to get my hands on the book, which I don't have yet, but I can't wait to have under his wings. And I wish you the best Emily.

I hope this is a, I hope everyone gets a copy. I'm so grateful to you, Will, thank you. And I'll just say, if I may, to put one more piece of the pie in there that the chaplain and the ministerial lens that, for example, Doug Collins, who's now the nomination for nominee for the secretary of the VA, you know, he told me the greatest case of PTSD he ever saw was another chaplain who ministers to the minister. And the questions of moral injury in the landscape of the 2024, you know, where maybe it's a button that you're pressing, but you're still leading to questions of moral injury as the button you're pressing is leading to death on the other side.

And so that too, I think, you know, my prayer is that the encouragement here and the application, you know, it's historical, but it's also, it's also in this landscape today and what that looks like because the questions remain the same, but the, you know, situation changes. And so I hope that everyone can resonate with whatever part resonates with them, it will be applicable in that way. And I'm so deeply grateful to you for this very generous time that you've spent with me on this and listening to me. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm so grateful. Absolutely. Everyone will be better for it. By the way, you help me remind me, my grandfather was a chaplain World War II, so I don't need to undercut my own family's military service. But there you go.

If you have anyone in your family that remembers the stories or has letters from him or records or anything, that's, yeah, that's incredible. I need to talk to my mom. I need to talk to my mom more deeply about it. I definitely, I definitely do. See, this is why I'm jealous, you knowing everything about your family. I'm serious. Like, it's incredible. Well, my advice is, and by the way, I feel remiss in that my mom has, you know, what I know is probably 10% of what my mom has told me. When you talk to your mom, record it, Will, write it down so that you capture those details. And when you have your conversations with your loved ones, somehow record it, and then that's the way to ensure that it's passed down and you can share it with your kids and your identity and your legacy grows.

Awesome. Emily Campano, under his wings, go get the book. Thank you, Emily. Thank you. Thank you. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation, not just with Emily Campano, but with Jesse Waters. Check out Under His Wings and check out Jesse Waters prime time. That's going to do it from the day on the Wilcane show. We'll see you again next time. Merry Christmas. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon music app.

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