Will Cain Country - Jimmy Kimmel Returns Despite Lies and Boycott (ft. Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring & Dr. Nicole Saphier)

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Story #1: Former Vice President Kamala Harris calls President Donald Trump a “communist” while doubling down on identity politics in her new book. From Bruce Pearl being labeled “divisive” to Keith Olbermann’s threats, Will argues the Left’s manipulation of language is inflaming division and eroding truth. Story #2: Board Certified Psychiatrist and CEO & Medical Director of Taper Clinic, Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring joins Will to break down America’s growing dependence on SSRIs and other psychiatric drugs. They cover how these medications actually work, why rates of use are skyrocketing, their risks and side effects, and whether they may play a role in rising violence and social instability. Story #3: Fox News Contributor, Dr. Nicole Saphier helps Will examine President Donald Trump’s White House panel on autism, including claims about Tylenol, vaccines, and environmental factors. Dr. Saphier explains the science, where the evidence falls short, and why messaging around autism risks must be handled carefully to build public trust.Plus, Will and The Crew break down the return of Jimmy Kimmel to ABC following a short suspension and the alleged end of the world after the Rapture is prophesied for today. Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: ⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠ Follow 'Will Cain Country' on X (@willcainshow), Instagram (@willcainshow), TikTok (@willcainshow), and Facebook (@willcainnews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠@WillCain (00:00) Will’s Monologue: Kamala Harris, Word Games, and Political Hypocrisy(17:30) Keith Olbermann’s Threats and Language as a Weapon(25:55) Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring on SSRIs, Antidepressants, and Numbness(33:07) Do SSRIs Contribute to Violence? Witt-Doerring’s Warning(45:20) Dr. Nicole Saphier on Autism, Tylenol, and Pregnancy Risks(49:38) Vaccines, Inflammation, and Autism Debate(55:16) Why Messaging on Autism Matters and Where Science Stands Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from winners, I started wondering. Is every fabulous item I see from winners? Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. Are those from winners? Ooh, are those beautiful gold earrings? Did she pay full price? Or that leather tote?

Or that cashmere sweater? Or those knee-high boots? That dress, that jacket, those shoes. Is anyone paying full price for anything? Stop wondering. Start winning. Winners, find fabulous for less. One, Kamala Harris.

Oh, Kamala Harris. Says she barely lost the election for the presidency. He calls Donald Trump a communist and says Pete Buttigieg was just too gay in 107 days. And he's back. Jimmy Kimmel. Two, SSRIs are on the rise. How many people in America are taking antidepressants? And is it linked to violence?

With Board of Certified Psychiatrist, Dr. Joseph Witt. Doreen. Three, Tylenol, vaccines. What Causes Autism with Dr. Nicole Sapphire. It is Wilcane Country on this Tuesday. We welcome you into the Wallitia, where today we mount up and we ride for the arrest of Keith Oberman. One-time host at MSNBC, one-time host at ESPN, one-time taken seriously person on this earth, continues to descend into the, ramblings of an insane man wheeling around an old folks home, but this time, this time it's gone too far. With the return of Jimmy Kimmel to ABC, CNN star, absolute star, Scott Jennings

posted on X. And then slithering into the comment section came the little old lady that one time hosted Countdown on MSNBC. Slythering into the comments section came Keith Olberman, who responded to Jennings. Your next, MFER. And then a separate comment said, but keep mugging for the camera. Those two comments were deleted by Keith Oldman, but not before, of course, it was screenshot. And Scott Jennings alerted the head of the FBI, director Cash Patel. Was Oberman referring to, your next to be suspended, your next to be fired from CNN?

Or was he just less than two weeks after the assassination of Charlie Kirk calling for violence against Scott Jennings? Let's talk for one moment about talent. There is actual talent in television. It's an accumulation of characteristics, traits, and skills. I would argue all of which are displayed in A-plus ability by CNN's Scott Jennings. I've never met Scott, but he's so good that I was compelled about a week ago, inspired quite honestly by Charlie Kirk, because anyone in this business can tell you they're used to receiving a DM or a text from Charlie Kirk

to compliment and celebrate someone else's work. And at various times in my life, I've reminded myself, when you have a nice thought, when you have a pleasant compliment, make sure you reach out, make sure you tell that person. So I did so last week to Scott Jennings. I said throughout my career, I've been surrounded by debate. I've been the lone voice at CNN. I've been the lone voice at ESPN. And I know what it takes, both in terms of skill and EQ, emotional. intelligence to be able to pull off what he does nightly on that struggle session

at 10 p.m. on CNN. He has to be whip smart. You've got to be quick. You've got to know your material. You've got to do it all with a smile and pull off some semblance of likability. You've got to be able to respond, not with prepared talking points, but to actual arguments that you didn't know that you might hear. And there are very few I've seen. do it as well as Scott Jennings. There was also, and there is a different kind of talent as well in television, and that is called performance. It's a bit like acting.

I majored in broadcast journalism at Pepperdine University. I left because I was like, I don't want to learn to be an actor. I don't want to read a teleprompter with a perfect amount of passion and performance. But that is the talent of Keith Alberman. It was undeniable. He was really good at delivering a sports highlight. And the way he whipped around from camera to camera on MSNBC belied an actual real talent. But there's a difference between these two talents.

One is perfecting fake and the other is perfecting real. One is akin to being an Oscar award-winning actor and one is pursuing and displaying authentic truth. Keith Oberman can't hold a candle to Scott Jennings. And because of that, he no longer has a job in television. Because like Colin Kaepernett, eventually your talent is weighed up against your headache. And oh, is Keith Oberman a headache? Maybe less so in his nursing home days. I remember him wandering into the green rooms at South Street Seaport on ESPN with his two little dogs.

The dog rules didn't apply to him in the corporate environment. They don't apply to me here because we've got a very small show and there's very few people. And so every once in all I can bring in that disobedient saint. But he'd wander in with his little white, poofy things, basically wearing pajama bottoms and slippers and mumbling things to people as he made his way through the green room. In the later parts of this nursing home days of his career, Keith Elberman was a meek little mumbler. But not when he's on his own. Not when he's on social media.

Boy, he breathes fire. And I'm always reluctant to give attention to Keith Oberman because there's nothing more than he wants than attention. Please, please make me relevant. Please pay attention. I'm Keith Oberman. Really, honestly, he's only got one real competitor in that competition for the gold medal stand of thirstiness.

And that's former CNN host Don Lemon. Their North Star is your attention. attention. But this time, Oberman's gone too far. Your next, MFer, he said on X to Scott Jennings. And that at a very basic minimum deserves a visit from law enforcement. That from a very basic element deserves the bright lights under a Q&A inside a police station. What do you mean your next, MFER? What do you mean, Mrs. Oberman? Are you physically threatening Scott Jennings? It's not a leap with the deprived ravings,

accelerating in insanity over time from the balcony of his penthouse apartment in New York City. Take that performance underneath the bright lights of a police questionnaire. This is deserved. This isn't about using authoritarian power on your political enemies. And this isn't about, oh, no, free speech. This is about a direct threat. The limitation on free speech is Brandenburg v. the United States. 1969, Supreme Court decision.

The limitations of your free speech are direct incitements to violence. This seems to be a terroristic threat. This seems to be a warning. This deserves investigation. And if it so turns out in that investigation, this deserves arrest of Keith Oberman. Let's get into that now, D-level talent that ran for President of the United States, Kamala Harris, with story number one. Kamala Harris is on a book tour for 107 days, and she's putting out bestsellers every time she appears on television. The bestsellers aren't pages but clips.

In interview after interview, from The View to Michael Strayhan on GMA, to an award-winning performance. If you were giving out Razzies, on MSNBC with Rachel Maddow, where, for starters, she called Donald Trump a communist. Watch. Right now we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the ellipse, a tyrant. We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That's what we're dealing with right now. Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up. And perhaps it is because his threats and the way he has used the weight of the federal government to take out vengeance on his

critics is something that they fear. And I get that. We're used to weighing our democracy against the communist dictators. And that's what we're dealing with. Donald Trump. What? A communist dictator? And in the ultimate ironies of ironies, she then goes on to endorse a communist, Zoran Mamdani. Look, as far as I'm concerned, he's the Democratic nominee and he should be supported. Do you endorse his candidacy? I support the Democrat in the race. Sure. But let me just say this. He's not the only star. I know that, you know, he's in New York, and I know New Yorkers stick there at the center of the world, and here we are in New York having this interview.

There was a saying in the days of United States imperialism across the Middle East that when it came to Egypt or Libya, yeah, so-and-so is a dictator, he's a bastard, but he's our bastard. It seems like the only real standard when it comes to communism is whether or not you're our communist. He's our guy, our man in Moscow. He's our man in New York City. Of course, it's also absolutely beyond the pale absurd to use words as playthings, toys, Plato, whatever you want them to mean and call Donald Trump a communist.

But this is what's being done. I mean, words are playthings. Words are toys. This is the ultimate tool of the left. It's the manipulation of language, because if you can control language, you can control the way people think. And if you control the way people think, you can control the way that they vote. And if you can control the way that they vote, you can control patterns. So you start with words. Treat them like a sandbox. It's a toy. Make them mean what you want.

Stretch them, torture them. Turn them into anything that you like. Because they don't mean anything objectively. They're only useful insofar as you can use those toys to act out your handmaiden's tail. Donald Trump is an authoritarian. He is a fascist. Now, Donald Trump is a communist. And that little game, that play thing, that toy sandbox, isn't, of course, dominated by anyone like Kamala Harris. In fact, it's so pervasive that people don't even know it, I think, when they do it. So it caught my attention last night on pardon the interruption, on ESPN. When Auburn head basketball coach Bruce Pearl, who's one of the winningest coaches in the history of college basketball, who has been vocal lately on politics, most notably on Israel,

Bruce Pearl is Jewish, but also a supporter of Donald Trump and MAGA, has retired as the head coach of Auburn. And that came up on pardon the interruption in a conversation between Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon. Happy trails to coaching for Bruce Pearl. The Auburn coach is stepping down to become an ambassador for the athletic department. In his place, the school gave a five-year deal to his son, Stephen. Pearl is 65. He has had terrific teams at Milwaukee, Tennessee and Auburn, which. made the final four last season and in 2019.

His decision comes about a year after Tony Bennett did the same thing at UVA. Pearl said he will not run for the U.S. Senate, something that had been rumored. Tony, he'd become a divisive person, it seems to me, intentionally. And I hope there was pressure to just get him out. Really? Bruce Pearl, a divisive person. And I hope there was pressure to get him out, said Michael Wilbon. I like Michael Wilbon.

Michael Wilbon is a nice guy, and almost everybody has the same thing to say about Wilbon. Even people behind the scenes. He's a nice guy, and every time I see Wilbon somewhere, it's always a warm greeting. But this is absurd, and this is treating words as playthings. Michael Wilbon can have his opinions, and those opinions can disagree with mine. That's perfectly fine. But you don't just get to call everybody you disagree with divisive. Divisive means intentionally dividing the American people on controversial issues.

my question for Wilbon, and I would ask it friendly, and we could ask it here now. Did you ever call Steve Kerr, divisive? Steve Kerr, who is an ardent gun control advocate and a down-the-line, reliable lefty talking point. Did you ever call Greg Popovich, the head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, divisive, who, after basketball games, actually sounded like a regurgitation of Rachel Maddow, point by point, talking point by talking point. they ever called divisive, or is divisive the plaything, the Play-Doh, simply used for people that you disagree with? I particularly can't think of a single opinion ever uttered by Bruce Pearl that would fit the definition of divisive. He may have had opinions, and you disagree with

those opinions, and somehow that divided you from him, but that's a you problem, not a Bruce Pearl problem. He wasn't out there with inflamed rhetoric trying to divide the country. He simply disagreed with you, Michael Wilbon. And if you're going to use that, word, and you're going to parse it and say these things to me, I definitely think you have to answer the question. Did you ever call divisive Steve Kerr or Greg Popovich? But this is the point. Words or play things. They're toys. Stretch them, turn them into anything you want to the point where you can call Donald Trump a communist. But the communist thing is almost just like throw in as many words as you possibly can in your word salad to see what sticks against the wall, like fascist

and tyrant. That's what Kamala House really emphasized, tyrant. Less than two weeks after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we wondered whether or not this would stop. This divisive language, calling people you disagree with, calling Maga, calling Charlie Kirk, calling Donald Trump a fascist. What is really clear is the answer is no. In fact, I've got a couple of predictions for you today. Here's number one. It's going to get worse. They're going to not dial back this divisive rhetoric, this inflammatory rhetoric, this unfortunately violence-inspiring rhetoric.

They're going to amp up the rhetoric of calling Trump, a Nazi, a tyrant, a fascist, apparently a communist. But that was just part of what Kamala Harris had to say that was so incredible. She also said, by the way, it's just like it came down to a field goal in overtime. It was really close presidential election. We had a president of the United States running for re-election, three and a half months from the election, decides not to run. The sitting vice president enters the race against a former president of the United States who's been running for 10 years with 107 days to go. and it ended up being the closest presidential election in the 21st century. What?

The closest presidential election in the 21st century, not Trump Biden, not Trump Clinton. None of the Obama elections, not Bush Gore and hanging chads. But Harris Trump was the closest election in the 21st century. She lost every single swing state. She lost a popular vote. She lost everything. Every single contested state. Every single contested issue.

Every single contest. She lost, and she lost in big numbers. She lost blacks in greater numbers than it had ever been lost by a Democrat. She lost Latinos in greater numbers that had ever been lost by a Democrat. She lost young men in greater numbers than had ever been lost by a Democrat. She even lost women. We talk a lot about women lurching to the... She lost women in greater numbers.

has never been lost by a Democrat. She lost Arizona. She lost Nevada. She lost Wisconsin. She lost Michigan. She lost everything. And yet she sit here today and tells you, well, came down to a three-pointer at the buzzer. No, Kamala. That was a 30-point blowout in regulation. It still isn't the best. It still isn't the best you've got from Kamala Harris. This is so good we might have to play it twice. In her book, 107 days, Kamala Harris said she just couldn't pick Pete Buttigieg to be her running mate because he's gay. So she instead chose the definitely not gay, definitely not gay, Tim Walts. Here she is explaining to Rachel Maddow why she couldn't pick Mayor Pete.

I was clear that in 107 days in one of the most hotly contested elections for President of the United States against someone like Donald Trump who knows no floor

to be a black woman running for President of the United States and as a vice presidential running mate a gay man with the stakes being so Hi. It made me very sad, but I also realized it would be a real risk. The question from Rachel Maddow was, it's really hard for me to hear, and I need you to explain

why you couldn't pick Pete Buttigieg because he's gay. No, no, no, I didn't say that, said Kamala Harris. I didn't say I couldn't pick him because he was gay. I said I couldn't pick him because he was gay. If you edit the extra words out, that's exactly how that went down. No, no, I didn't say I couldn't pick him because he's gay. I said because it's a hotly contested election. There's only 107 days. It would be a real risk to run with Pete Buttigieg because he's gay. Like if you sent that in front of an editor, it would be edited down to, I didn't say I couldn't pick him because he's gay. I didn't pick him. You see, because he's gay. Let's listen again to Kamala Harris. I was clear that in 107 days,

in one of the most hotly contested elections for President of the United States against someone like Donald Trump who knows no floor to be a black woman running for President of the United States and as a vice presidential running mate, a gay man, with the stakes being so high, it made me very sad,

but I also realized it would be a real risk. A gay man would be a real risk. Now, here's what's fascinating about what she's had to say here. Is she wrong or is she telling the truth or is she boxed in by her own game of identity politics? Has she created a box where she can't find a win? What I mean by that is, here's an interesting conversation. Is America ready to elect a gay vice president? a gay vice president? Is America ready to elect a gay vice president? That's a question

of interest, of note, that I'm not sure we have the answer to. Kamala Harris, though, has revealed she thinks the answer to that is no, especially when paired up with a black Indian woman. That identity politics is what she's having to reconcile with. The truth of that, question, but the inability to say what I just said because then she says, well, I think America's not ready. I mean, clearly I didn't pick him because he's gay. I've said that in so many words. And I think America is too homophobic or racist in combination with homophobic to elect a vice president who's gay. But she can't admit that, that she thinks America won't do that because she still needs America in 2028. So she can't admit that that. So she can't admit that that. She thinks America won't do that. So she

can't say that, and now she's sitting in front of Rachel Maddow, a gay woman, trying to explain her use of race and gender and sexual preference as the parameters for how you make decisions as a Democrat. And oh, in this situation, I think that decision came out in a way that I wasn't hoping to in my book, in a way that I'm not ready to talk about on television. Interestingly, this isn't a problem for Donald Trump. Take a step back and think about that for a minute. Scott Vescent, Treasury Secretary Gay, Rick Grinnell, gay. There's a lot of gay members, so much so that the New York Times wrote an article called Donald Trump's big gay government.

Race as well, not an issue, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State. All across Donald Trump's administration, you have minorities, you have women, very high power places. You have gays. It's almost as if you don't go through the world looking at these superficial characteristics of people and identifying the world through that lens, then you can actually look at people as to their individual merit and characteristics regardless of those sexual preferences, race or gender. And then because you're so authentic and so intense on putting merit at the top and doing what's best for America, America will follow you because you're. asking to be a leader. And that's clearly not what Kamala Harris is. She is not a leader. And she will never be the Democrat candidate for president. Never again. She will not in 2028. She's not only trying to recapture some credibility and talking about I should have maybe

said more about Joe Biden's condition, but she's also burning the house down within by insulting almost every Democrat. And one thing you can't do is not when you're on the left of offend the people. It's that you can't offend the powers that be, the apparatus, because that's who selects the candidates for Democrats. And Kamala Harris will not be that candidate in 2028. Jimmy Kimball is back, but not everywhere, because we've now heard from Nexstar and Sinclair. And it's been talked about a lot, but how much of the American population is on SSRIs, antidepressants, and what is it doing to us, including answering the question of whether or not it makes us more dangerous.

I'll talk about that with Dr. Joseph Whit Doring, a board-certified psychiatrist, when we come back on Will Cain Country. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. Listen to the all-new Brett Bear podcast featuring Common Ground, in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Brett Bear favorites like his all-star panel and much more. Available now at Fox News Podcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas.

Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. I guess Donald Trump's hired back Jimmy Kimmel. We were told that's why Jimmy Kimmel was fired, right? The FCC and Donald Trump. But now Jimmy Kimmel's back. So does that mean he was rehired by Donald Trump? It is Will Kane Country streaming live at the Will Kane Country YouTube channel. That's where we want you to bookmark and subscribe and follow and like.

not just our show but our page so you can see unique content videos on demand shorts and of course the live stream of wilkane country you can also listen to us at spotify or on apple we've talked about this a lot what is the increasing prevalence of SSRIs antidepressants and the such that america is taking and as we look at what seems to be an increasing trend of mass shooters and violence is there any connection to people being treated with these drugs that now what, perhaps, 20% of our population is taking? Let's get into that with Dr. Joseph Witt-Dorring. He's a board-certified psychiatrist.

Dr. Doreen, thanks so much for being with us. Great to be here with you. Yeah, great to be here with you, Will. Can we... Thank you. Can we start with the definition? Tell us, you know, like we're a fifth grader. What is an SSRI?

So an SSRI is a... selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor. If we were just to break it down simply, it is a drug that disrupts the way that serotonin works in the brain. And typically, it actually has a numbing effect, which is why people experience it as therapeutic and sometimes life-saving. But that's not always the case. Sometimes you can have bad reactions to them as well. So serotonin is the chemical in the brain that we naturally release when things are feeling good, right? When we're having a good time, when we're interacting with something pleasant, even something that we eat.

And this, when you take an SSRI, and I'd love for you to go further, like you heard me probably say, antidepressants and this such, but I don't think it's just antidepressants, right, under the banner of SSRIs. It, what, regulates the control of serotonin or up hits it, makes it so there's more serotonin released on a more frequent basis, in our brain? Yeah, that's exactly right, Will. So exactly what they're doing is they're binding to the receptors at the neuron level

to increase the amount of serotonin between the neurons, which is, you know, like you said, that is that feel-good chemical. And so when you block the re-uptake, which is in the name, you actually increase the levels in there. And SSRIs, they're just one type of antidepressant, but it is the most common class, you know, has Prozac and Lexopro and Zoloff, these common ones. But there's also other antidepressants out there as well, like Apexor and Wilbutron and Metazepine. And what do those do?

Those aren't under the banner of SSRI? Yeah, so they're a little bit different. They act on different neurotransmitter systems. So anytime we're using psychiatric medications, we're always tweaking, whether it's serotonin, dopamine, norapinephrine. And in a simple way, a good way to think about them is when you disrupt those neurotransmitter systems, you kind of get sometimes like numbing effects with wellbutrin, you get an energizing effect with a drug like notazapine. It can be sleep promoting. And so that's how doctors pick them. They try and match up the drug effect

to the symptoms that the person is having. Okay. Now, let's talk about the risk. Before we get to the extreme risks. Let's talk about the risks just on a common, frequent, individual level. And I'm at best, you know, an armchair psychiatrist on something like this. But the idea is when you take these things, your body adapts like anything else. You know, if I take melatonin to try to go to sleep, I've often read and been told to be careful, because your body will stop producing natural melatonin as it comes to rely on the melatonin. So anything you take, your body in that way will adapt. And then what? In this case, stop producing its own serotonin? Yeah, absolutely. So, and this is at the heart of the biggest problem that we have with these medications

is that our brains aren't static. You know, when you take a drug that disrupts your neurotransmitters, that has wide-ranging implications in your body. I mean, these drugs control your heart, these neurochemicals control your heart, your immune system, your digestion. And so your body's going to push back up against that, and it's going to say, hey, brain, I need you to adapt because now our physiology is out of balance. And so what that looks like at the neuronal level is that your neurons start to reduce less serotonin and the receptors become less sensitive.

And the way that people experience this is that they become less sensitive to the drug effect. So while someone who was just put on that medication maybe six months ago, it worked great at the start. Six months later, maybe it's only working 10% or maybe they don't even feel it at all. And that inevitably leads to that next situation where you have to up the dose and then six months later up the dose again. And then all of a sudden you're maxed out on this medication. It's not really doing much. and oftentimes we see doctors adding on additional medications at that time and that's how you can get into a situation where after several years someone could end up on

five or six different medications and they're bouncing around so they're they're doing an SSRI but now they're bouncing over to wellbutrin and they're just constantly trying to tweak and find a way to feel good again yes that's exactly right and the opposite of that is also true which is once your neurology has majorly adapted to these drugs, because you've been taking them for several years, coming off them can be really challenging as well because they've almost become integrated into your brain as like a structure that it's relying on.

And if you just pull it out, it causes major disruption to your neurotransmitter systems and people end up having really bad withdrawal. And this is what Bobby Kennedy famously said recently to Senator Tina Smith. He said, come off some of these SSRIs, then it is to come off heroin. And that's really is true. For some people, getting off these medications after years of adaptation, can be incredibly painful. All right, let's talk about this. To the best of your knowledge, and your knowledge

is certainly deeper than mine, but over time, we've looked at the stats on this, and I've looked it up. And I do think I've probably looked it up under a pretty broad banner, meaning not just SSRIs, but attention deficit disorder drugs and so forth. So when I come back and I see like, oh my gosh, 40 to 50 percent of Americans are on some of these drugs, I think it's broader into SSRI. So to your knowledge, how much? Like how, how frequent is this? How many Americans? What percentage is using these drugs? You know, well, that's a really good question. And my last read of the data is that I think about 15 to 20 percent of Americans are taking just antidepressants. And remember, that's only just one slice of the pie.

And so the rest of it is going to be made up of ADHD meds. You're going to have antipsychotics, mood stabilizes, sedatives like Xanax. I think we're in the 20 to 30 percent of Americans are taking a psychiatric medication on a daily basis. and so and and even within that group there are some populations for instance women 60 40 to 60 30% of them are on antidepressants and so these are these are huge numbers yeah why why why so many women I mean what did you say 40 to 60% of women on some type of psychiatric medication and of that 30% I assume you meant not just 30% of that 40 to 60 but maybe 30% of women are on antidepressants? Why?

Yeah, so, I mean, that gets to the heart of something that's very complicated. I mean, I would say that I think the world has changed in a major way. I think we've got, we have a lot of social isolation going on. We have a lot of women who are juggling jobs while also looking after their families as well. I think we've become disconnected as a country. from one another. And I think a lot of those changes really fall on women. On top of that, and this is the sinister part of it, I think there's been three decades of marketing messages telling women that, hey, if you're feeling burnt out and overworked, maybe you have depression

and maybe you need a medication instead of actually looking at these structural changes that have happened in our society. Okay, does all of this numbness to all of these SSRIs, lead to an increase in the potential for violence. Let's break that down when we come back with Dr. Joseph Witt Doring on Wilcane Country. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures.

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and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. we're still hanging out with Dr. Joseph Witt Doring. He is a board-certified psychiatrist, and we're talking about the growth in this country of the use of antidepressants and SSRIs and asking the question, ultimately, is it connected to mass violence? And, you know, again, this is going to be, at best, armchair of psychiatrist, but, you know,

the thing that seems to happen to people, and I'm not going to paint with a total broad brush, I'm not going to say everybody, but it does seem to happen with some level of frequency, is this, like, numbness. Like the goal being accomplished of the drug actually isn't, hey, now you're always happy, but you feel everything less. You feel the downs less, and you may feel the ups less as well, and you hit this, you hit this almost emotionless flatline of numbness. that gets to the heart of like what does it mean for these drugs to actually work and this has been the lie that's been sold to the American public it's that these drugs work by fixing some kind of chemical imbalance you know for decades drug companies have said hey you have low serotonin let's give you this drug it's going to boost your serotonin they never found that chemical imbalance

it was a white lie that doctors used in many ways to justify the use of these medications because as many people are suspicious of taking a drug to simply paper over symptoms. It's like your grandma says, you know, don't sweep things under the rug. You know, that's never a good strategy for solving problems. But in many ways, that's exactly what we're doing with these medications. So the primary effect of the SSRIs is one of emotional constriction and numbness. And so you might be having completely legitimate problems in your life, your relationship, your work, your faith, your spirituality. and if you're unhappy, taking a drug that numbs that is kind of robbing you of the opportunity

to gain awareness and grow through that experience. I liken it to taking the batteries out of a smoke detector. Now, I want to be careful here because I'm not saying there is never a use case scenario for these medications. They have been very helpful for some people, but we need to know what we're doing. You know, we're not fixing an underlying problem. we are using a drug with a drug effect to mask problems. And any time you're doing that, you need to be aware that that is exactly what you're doing,

that there's issues of tolerance, that it can wear off over time, and that you should have a great exit strategy where you're working on other things to eventually come off the drug. That is not what's happening nowadays. Many patients get put on these medications in a 15-minute appointment with a family medicine doctor, and then they just park them there for years sometimes. You know, they'll check in with them maybe every, you know, three months. months or so, but they're not really helping their patients work through their issues so they can

come off the medications. So that 15-minute appointment you just described, when someone says to a patient, you have low serotonin levels, based on what? What kind of testing of my serotonin levels against what kind of baseline is the appropriate level of serotonin? I mean, again, I've never been through this process. I haven't spoken to psychiatrists. I haven't been prescribing these things.

But I can't imagine it actually is that scientific. I mean, you go in, you tell them how you're feeling, and they write a prescription. Yeah. And, Will, that's the, I mean, that is the lie of it, is that there is no serotonin imbalance. Doctors have been looking at this for years, and, you know, they do it in a whole bunch of different ways. You know, they can stick a needle into your spine, and they can draw out CSF, which is the fluid around your brain, and they can measure the metabolites of serotonin in there. They can find people who have taken their life

and they can do autopsies of their brain to look at receptors in there to see if there's any difference between the receptor concentration of the depressed patients and then healthy controls. They've done brain scans on individuals to look for these chemical imbalances.

Not once have we ever found a biological way to differentiate depressed patients from non-depressed patients. So there is no chemical imbalance going on at all. So, and by the way, they're not doing all that, right? When you go in to a psychiatrist, are you having spinal fluid removed to see what your serotonin levels are? And to the baseline point, they don't, they can't differentiate a depressed patient from a non-depressed patient, so we don't know what the baseline of appropriate serotonin would even be in that case, right?

But the point is we're not even doing any of this for live patients. and asking, do they need an SSRI? Yeah, I mean, the way we diagnose depression is if you have five out of nine symptoms on a checklist. You know, it's like low mood, you know, or diet, you know, feelings of guilt. And when you go back and you look at, you know, where did these symptoms come from? You know, was there some kind of logic behind it? Like they found some problem in the brain and they said, oh, when we track this down, it sort of consistently leads to these nine symptoms and there's a logic behind it, you don't

find that. What you find is that back in the 80s, a bunch of psychiatrists sat in a room and they said, what do you guys think depression is? And they said, well, you know, we think it's these nine symptoms. Well, you know, what is the threshold by which we should diagnose it? And they said, well, I think we should have five out of nine. Why not three? Well, it doesn't seem like enough. You know, why not six? Well, that's too many. It is completely arbitrary. That is incredible. Okay. So now we have an increasing population, primarily women, but not exclusively women, depleting their own natural serotonin levels, boosting it artificially with diminishing returns over time, who are ultimately accomplishing this level of numbness, turning off the emotional spiket of humanity. I've seen you talk with Tucker Carlson, who I thought said it really well, which is, you know, that is what it means to be a human, to go through this range of emotions. And you're limiting now the scope of range of emotions. You're, you're narrow. them down into this numbness. And then the question that people ask, and we see increasing levels of violence, specifically randomized violence, meaning, you know, not interpersonal,

not so much domestic that we're talking about in this scenario, but things like school shootings, hurting people by the mass numbers. And there is a question about what kind of drugs are these kids or these people on? Do you think these drugs are contributing to a more chaotic, disconnected, violent potential population? I think it's absolutely possible. I mean, what I want to say clearly is, you know, the issue of mass violence is multifactorial. You know, I think there's, you know, with mass shootings, there's social contagion going on, you know, obviously we have, you know, because of the Second Amendment, we have firearms around. It's easy to get access to guns. But these medications, they can cause behavioral disinhibition that can lead people to act out in very violent ways.

And one of the biggest tragedies that I think is happening right now is that the media mostly is denying this. They are not looking into the role of these medications, and they're doing it under some kind of fake compassion. They're saying, you know, these drugs aren't involved. you know it's just guns and anyone who brings up the role of these medications is trying to stigmatize them mentally ill and scare them away from medications and they are going to cause people to you know take their lives because of that they're doing it under a guise of compassion but essentially they're shutting down something that is very logical and that we actually know is a possibility and it's not just making that a potential possibility but the compassion point

hasn't actually worked, right? Have we seen rates of suicide go down as rates of SSRIs have gone up? No, I mean, we are using five times as many antidepressants than we were in the early 90s. And across the board, our mental health is getting worse. Suicide in general is up 50%. Teen suicide is up around 50%. We have more psychiatric disability than we've ever had before. And so, no, you know, it seems like the more medications we're using, mental health is definitely not improving, in fact, it's getting worse. Really fascinating conversation, but one we hope can only be the beginning to your point of things that have been put off the table of acceptable conversation.

Dr. Joseph Witt Doring, board certified psychiatrists. Thanks so much for spending time with us today on Will Kane Country. Thanks, Will. Great to be here. You bet. Over on YouTube, the people have spoken, Thomas Edward Brady says, Michael Wilbon has been wrong on everything. baseball, basketball, you name it, no clue on Clemens. Totally wrong on Bruce Pearl. Overpaid, overrated, never a winner. People are tired of phony experts. By the way, coming up today at

4 p.m. Eastern Time on the Will Kane Show, Roger Clemens. Alfred E. Newman says, so what? Crying Kimmel or whatever, his name or her name is still going to have same dismal ratings and cost Disney every year, which is just fine with me. I have a prediction coming up in just a little bit on Jimmy Kimmel. This old goat says, this blithering idiot. I hope, I think, I hope this old goat is not talking about me,

but rather Kamala Harris. And finally, Suzanne says, I've worked in and with pharmaceuticals for 18 years, and the increase in people taking antidepressants over that time frame was astounding. You also saw people's downfall on those medications. One of those taboo conversations you can't talk about was addressed yesterday

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In the meantime, let's talk about something a little less. serious, even than that, which is about as serious as it gets is today the rapture, with what causes autism with Dr. Nus Cole Sapphire? She's a Fox News contributor, and she's also the creator of DropRX. Doctor, great to have you here today. Hey, Will, thanks for having me on. So, President Trump and RFK, Dr. Marty McCary, Dr. Oz, all took to the Oval Office yesterday, to say it was their most consequential Oval Office meeting and press conference

yet, and that is to talk about the cause of autism. In the course of that speech that President Trump gave, he did talk about a lot of things, but the primary focus was acetaminophin, which he had trouble pronouncing acetaminophen, whose most common brand is Tylenol. What do you think? Is Tylenol contributing? to the rising incidences of autism? So, well, I watched the entire press conference yesterday. I'll be honest, it was painful to watch. I was very frustrated watching it

because I can tell you the administration's message on acetaminophen, commonly known as Tylenol, and its use in pregnancy, certainly well-intentioned, but the tone was paternalistic, and the reality is the message evolved into a mess of hyperbole with some factually incorrect statements. So to be clear,

The conversation with acetaminopin use in pregnancy and the potential link to autism spectrum disorders and ADHD or other neurodegenerative diseases in the newborn babies, this is not a new conversation. Because of this, there's already a warning with the use of Tylenolp in pregnancy. There have been many observational studies, one of the bigger ones from Johns Hopkins in 2019, that looked at cord blood in the umbellical cord of babies born with autism. and there was a higher rate of the metabolites of a sataminophen in it. So this was a correlation saying, well, babies who had more of these metabolites in the cord blood had a higher risk of autism spectrum disorder. Now, why do pregnant women take acetaminophen or Tylenol?

Well, for pain, but also for fever. It is well-documented. Fever comes with a much higher risk of autism spectrum disorder and other neurodegenerative conditions. In fact, up to three times the risk of autism in women who have repeated high fevers in second and third trimesters. Because of this, they wanted to look at, well, is it the fever, the infection, the inflammation, or the Tylenol, that's the association with autism spectrum disorders. So there's a huge study out of Sweden, 24, 2.5 million kids. They showed that they did not believe that it was the Tylenol itself that was causing autism.

However, well, what I can tell you is when you have a lot of correlation studies like this, obviously you want to proceed with caution. The message from the White House should have been, do not use Tylenol, you know, don't grab Tylenol every chance you can during pregnancy. You want to use it sparingly. You want to use it under the guide of your medical professional because there are still this possible correlative risk. But the reality is they haven't shown causation. The problem I had, the president came out and just told women, tough it out, and that's a problem. Not because I'm a sensitive woman, and I don't like a man telling me to tough it out when it comes to pregnancy, but the reality is there are severe physiological changes that can happen during pregnancy.

And I don't want women to be more afraid of a potential medication that can treat the high fever, that can treat some of these severe ailments that have a higher risk of autism linked with them if they don't treat it. So unfortunately, I think that the messaging came with a lot of confusion and fear, and I think it brought us farther away from public trust in this whole environment than we started with. The president also brought up, doctor, he brought up vaccines. He said, the following, if I remember correctly, we want to get the mercury out of vaccines, we want to get the aluminum out of vaccines, and we want to stage out vaccines. There's no reason to do them all at once, however many, and there's so many, by the way, that babies get at this point,

but there's no point in doing it all at once. There's no upside. And he didn't say this is causing it, but he's like, this, we think, is a better step to go stage by stage and spread these vaccines out. Your thoughts? So, listen, we don't know. We can't point to all the causes of autism. There's obviously something going on. Yes, we've expanded the, expanded the diagnostic criteria and that's contributed to the increased numbers, but there are more children being born with some sort of neurodegenerative condition. You can't deny that.

It has to be environment. It has to be something that's going on in the pregnant mother, whether it's her overall health, whether it's low folate acid in her diet, exposures to pesticides. All of these things have been, you know, casually linked to the rise in autism.

When it comes to vaccines, we know we saw it with the COVID vaccines. They induce inflammation. That's what they're supposed to do. Inflammation itself can interrupt development in children. So does it make sense to maybe spread them out and try and decrease the inflammation? I think that all makes sense. I love hearing them talk about getting rid of some of the impurities in the vaccine.

Some of it's already been done. So he's kind of using some old talking points. He also brought up some of the things that the CDC's ASIP recommended last week, which I was four, talking about separating MMR from the Veracella vaccine. It comes, if you do them together in the quadruvalent vaccine, there's a slight increased risk of seizures. They said to separate it. This is a good thing.

So there was a lot of good things in that press conference yesterday. My problem was that it was not communicated effectively. And unfortunately, I think they just missed the mark in communicating it. They're doing some good things there. But you have to make sure that the message meets the moment. And you've got to be careful. You can't be saying anything that's factually incorrect. You had FDA commissioner, Marty McCarrie, good friend of mine, who I respect,

very much. But he even, you know, kind of misquoted something from the study that they're talking about when it comes to a setaminophen and autism. And when you're talking about something like this and you know that you're going to be criticized by the medical professionals, by the industry, you have to make sure that you dot your eyes and cross your T's and they just didn't meet the moment in this press conference. But what is, all we want to know in the end, and I don't, I don't feel like the announcement yesterday delivered on this is, what causes autism? Like, that's what we want to know. And I understand and appreciate that we don't know.

But that also is just very curious to me. Like, the diagnostic thing, which you rejected, I mean, obviously we've gotten better at diagnosing it. But I'm old enough. I mean, I'm old enough to remember, you know, before so many kids had autism. I remember growing up when Down syndrome was actually prevalent. And now we don't see as many of Down syndrome kids, and we all know why. But you grew up and you didn't see, you know, I mean, I don't even know if I saw any or knew any kids who had autism, at least any severe versions of autism. And yet here we are today and the numbers.

And again, I think the spectrum of it has increased these numbers, but whatever, it's one in 31. And weirdly, even geographically, unevenly dispersed, higher in California, higher with boys than girls. And I just like, just keep coming back to why. That's a great question. And I can tell you when babies are being formed in utero, a lot can go wrong. In fact, when you graduate from medical school, you're amazed when a healthy baby is born because you know there are so many checkpoints where things can go wrong. The brain is one of the most complex organs that forms, and a lot of things can go wrong

in there. And it is, you know, of my opinion, that it is the overall health of the mother and also the genetics that are going to be playing a role to it. you're not going to be able to point to one thing because it is going to be multiple things. Our diet has changed. Our diet, we don't have the leafy greens. We see that in babies that are born with autism, they tend to have lower levels of folate in their brain. They show that when mothers are given higher dose of folates, they have lower rates of having babies with autism.

So this is a part of it. We've always known that folate is good for the developing baby and the baby's brain. That's why we recommend prenatal vitamins. But all of a sudden, we're not eating the leafy greens. We're eating the ultra-processed foods. We have pesticides over everything. We have more chemicals going into our bodies with microplastics and so much. We already see microplastics are being deposited in our brain.

Why wouldn't you think that they're also being deposited into the fetus's brain and stopping that brain from forming? There's going to be a lot of different things. And so when they first came out when President Trump took the White House and they said, we're going to have the cause of autism by September, I was very upset by this because it completely diminishes and minimizes how complex autism spectrum diagnoses are. I'm glad that they did not come out and say that. What they did was they took an existing warning, which we already had the warning about Tylenol, and they just wanted to

bring it to the forefront again, saying we cannot continue to move forward thinking that everything is safe, because while there are some things that we know are more risky than others, nothing is entirely safe because we don't have a black and white answer. But again, they kind of missed the mark on that, and now more people are going to be deathly afraid of taking Tylenol and pregnancy, and maybe they should not just run and grab it for every minor ache and pain, but for high fever that has a much higher rate of having a neurodevelopmentally disabled child than the Tylenol itself. So I really hope they walk it back. And they've already been playing some cleanup since the press conference. Well, here's what I hope that they keep going, that they keep searching for the

answer and don't see this as having answered the question that they were supposed to deliver on by September, but keep searching for the answer to what is causing autism. All right, Dr. Sapphire, much for joining us on short notice. We wanted to talk about this today, and we appreciate it having your voice. Thanks for having me, Will. All right, there she goes. Dr. Nicole Sapphire. Check out at Drop RX as well. I've been teasing this. It's time to deliver. Tonight, you get him back. You get Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel has been returned to the airwaves by Disney and ABC after what amounted to less than a week's suspension for suggesting that Charlie Kirk's assassin came from MAGA, came from the right.

This upset many station owners, Next Star and Sinclair, across the country, who immediately said, we're not going to air Jimmy Kimmel, to which ABC then suspended the late-night host. Now, starting tonight, he's back. Does this mean that Donald Trump rehired Jimmy Kimmel? Because I was told reliably by the entirety of the left that Donald Trump fired Jimmy Kimmel. This was pressure by the FCC and the Trump administration. And this was a horrible infringement on the First Amendment.

And the government's used to get rid of a comedian that told bad jokes about the president. But now that comedian's back. So that's weird. I don't understand. Did Donald Trump forgive him? Did Donald Trump get over it? Did he just rehire Jimmy Kimmel? Or was that entire narrative complete and utter BS?

That it was never the FCC. It was never Donald Trump. No, instead it was the market. Oh, the market. How does the market have time to speak? The market spoke through ABC affiliates. The market spoke through Sinclair and Nexstar who said, no, we're done. And guess what they're saying today?

They're saying no. We're still done. Sinclair has said at the beginning Tuesday night, they will be preempting Jimmy Kimmel live across our ABC affiliate stations and replacing it with news programming. Discussions with ABC are ongoing as re-evaluate the show's potential return. By the way, last Friday night, they were to preempt Jimmy Kimmel and air a tribute to Charlie Kirk. but as a story we shared with you yesterday, there was an ABC station in Sacramento shot up by a crazy lefty. We know that because we already see his writings and who he threatened.

Shot up an ABC station because of, he said, Epstein and Bongino and Patel. And I doubt that ABC is random because of Jimmy Kimmel. The headline reads Charlie Kirk Tribute scrapped by Sinclair after local TV giant got threats against its ABC stations. Source, that's what's coming from Sinclair. And as of in the last hour and a half, we got this as well from Next Star. Next Star says the company's owned and partner television stations affiliated with ABC will continue to preempt Jimmy Kimmel live.

They will not be taking up. Making it something like 60 stations across the country that won't be taking Jimmy Kimmel live. Now, look, Jimmy Kimball offended a great and lied and was a paid propagandist. to lie to the American people, to the tune that the fact that something like 10% of Democrats today think and know that Charlie Kirk's assassin came from the left. 33% of Democrats think he came from the right. They're thinking that because they're all captured by blue sky, but also because they've been listening to someone like Jimmy Kimmel. And that doesn't serve the public interest. That's not right for the air.

waves. But now it apparently is right for ABC. I told you I was going to make two predictions today. Here's my second prediction. I put the over-under at six months for Jimmy Kimmel before that show is canceled. We already saw the cancellation of Stephen Colbert. He's a dead man walking for the final year of his contract. ABC wanted to fire Jimmy Kimmel anyway because of bad ratings.

high cost but this gave them the perfect excuse now they bend to whatever I don't know a letter signed by 400 celebrities to bring back Jimmy Kimmel which happened

but it's only for the short term over under six months before you hear that Jimmy Kimmel late show Jimmy Kimmel Live. I didn't even know the name,

but Jimmy Kimmel Live is done at ABC. Let's bring in tinfoil Pat, two a days, Dan, for an episode really quickly now of Final Take. Final Take, at the end of every show, we're going to go through a few topics. We want you involved as well, you, the audience. And today, the maiden voyage here on Final Take.

I want to start with this as my first story on Final Take. Do you take the over or the under on Jimmy, Kimmel. I'm going under. I think it's quicker than that. I'm going over. This is a win for free speech, finally. Oh, that's that sarcasm. It's classic tinfoil. But besides your sarcasm, tinfoil, do you think, do you think I'm right? Is Jimmy Kimmel going to be fired? It's just a matter of time now. And if so, if I were taking my over under, I would take under as well, under six months. Easily. Yeah. It's not going to be... Someone has to go the other way, so we'll keep you at over. But I'm still over. That way I win them. Keep Patrick get over. Two a days and I are

under six months. You drop into the comments section. Let us know, you're taking the over or the under on six months left before the announcement. Before the announcement, they'll let him finish out the season. But before the announcement that this is the last one for Jimmy Kimmel live. All right, this is a tough story to bury here in the final, an hour into the show, buried into final takes, but you guys know more about this than I do, but from

what I understand, this could be it boys and girls. This is it. Like it, it. This is the last day. This is the rapture. Tinfoil, that's the prediction going around. You told me largely

on lefty TikTok. Oh, I'm not I'm not connected into this. I'd have no idea what's going on. That'd be me. I've been seeing it everywhere. Lefty TikTok is going crazy for this, doing videos just like this,

where they're showing real footage, quote-unquote, real footage of the rapture with clothes empty laying on the ground. So it looks like people were raptured. Imagine walking by that. And you actually think it's real. You're thinking, oh, my goodness, the rapture has started.

These are sarcastic videos. These are comic videos, right? This is not someone believing. But why do people think today is the date of the rapture? So there was a minister or pastor, what you call, that thinks, as predicted, it was spoken to by Jesus himself, that thinks the rapture will come tonight or tomorrow, where the good people will go to heaven

and the bad people will be left here on earth to deal with horrible things. Somebody in our pre-show admitting said it had something to do with the first day of Rosh Hashanah as well. So that was somehow tied in to the rapture? Yeah, because today is the first day of Rosh Hashanah, yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, you know, I'd hate for the last act we're all doing is to mock the rapture a few hours before the rapture. We need a last meal. Or mock the potential for the rapture today before.

Well, okay, what do we do today? First of all, we say our prayers, right? Everybody say your prayers. Repent, accept Jesus Christ, repent, pray. As you should, every day, by the way, you should really treat every day as though somebody made the prediction. Today is the rapture. This would be how we operate every single day. So how will you operate today?

Will you do something? You're going to have a stake tonight? I mean, are you going to hug your loved ones a little bit longer? Are you going to watch The Bachelor? Like, how are you going to spend your last moments in this world? What about you, Patrick? Well, first of all, I'm Catholic, so we're not. allowed to go in the rapture.

We're not? But I'm Catholic too. I know. I'm not being taken? Oh, man. You're left behind, pal. You're like Kirk Cameron in the movie. I want to be beamed up.

So we can just stay behind and have fun anyway. Yeah. So we're going to get to be here on Earth. But if it were to happen, I don't know. I feel like I'd try to numb myself, but that's probably the wrong. It's probably the wrong idea. I don't know. What?

Like you get hopped up on whiskey and SSRI? eyes or white wine and SSRIs? That's how you spend your final days. You're numb to yourself? You're definitely not going up in the beam if you do that. Why do you say that, Patrick? Are you afraid of death? Very, yes.

It's all I think about. I mean, really? You just think about your own mortality? It's all he thinks about it. All the time. Is that, are you in a bunker? How does that manifest? Like, you're afraid?

Are you afraid of things? I know you're afraid of bridges. And you live in Jacksonville, so a great location to live. You know, like I dodged the real bullet, you know, having not to fly or, you know, this week. So, you know, that's really scary. So, so you, you, you think about death. I read that Warren Buffett thinks about death a lot. Like, he's a little bit captivated by his own mortality.

I'm just not. I don't know. I don't think about the end very often or ever, actually. If you think about it, every phobia is the fear of death. The fear of heights, your fear of falling and dying. Fear of spiders, you fear about spiders killing you. Snakes, same thing. So it's really just every fear is just a fear of death.

It's true. My favorite Da Vinci, or no, Van Gogh is him painting the skeleton with smoking a cigarette. So, you know, I think about it a lot. So why are people that are fearful of death and think about death a lot obsessed with imagery of like death, like skeletons and you're probably like a, you know, a goth. Were you a goth kid, Patrick? Oh, no. Like, are you, were you, I mean, heavy metal? Like, what's the death aesthetic? What's the death aesthetic for someone that's afraid of death?

I'm not even that that into it. Did you have a near-death experience in life once? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did when I was really young. There you go. Choked a death on a hot dog. Boom. That's it.

Started there. That was your near-death experience? Somebody gave you the Heimlich? Yeah. It was like six. Have you had one, Will? And what? What?

Did you see the dark tunnel? Did you see, was there a light? Dark tunnel? I don't remember it. I blocked it out. There's the light and the dark tunnel. dark. It's a pretty funny near death. Let's be honest, that's a pretty funny near death experience. You choked on a hot dog. It's ridiculous, really. Like of all near death experiences

that you want to tell, unfortunately yours is I choked on a hot dog. It wasn't. I brushed up against a great white. I fell from a great height and survived the fall. Yours was I choked on a hot dog. Not the coolest near death experience. That's why you eat very slowly today. No, I've never, I've never choked, Dan. I know that's not what you're were asking me, but I've never choked. Only in fantasy football. Have I ever had a near-death experience? Have I ever had a near-death experience?

I've had a lot of car wrecks. A lot of car wrecks. Like, my first year of getting a license, I probably had four or five within the first two months of getting a license. But none of them were, like, really, like, you know, bodily injury type. Car wrecks, no nothing in the pool. I'm a very good swimmer. I fainted, or I think it's fainting.

I once thought I had a stroke, and it was the weirdest thing ever. And it was, odds are it was fainting. I don't know, I was sitting down to dinner with my family. This is as an adult. This is like five years ago. And I had a tequila. It was during COVID. And I sat down, and all I remember was like,

I just remember this buzzing sound that it was like going in and out like that and my wife and kids said I just kind of like rolled my head back and it was just gone for like not that long it probably ended up like five to ten seconds type thing and I came back and my emotions were all out of whack I was laughing hysterically at the whole thing right and they were like this is super weird what's wrong with you and I was laughing really hard and I was like did I just Then when we kind of like digest it, I was like, did I have a stroke? What was that? Now, I actually called a doctor, and they don't think I had a stroke.

They think that I don't know what it was, like something in the concoction of things I was doing. I wasn't drunk either. I was like having that cocktail at the end of the day. Dehydrated? They don't really do anymore. But I don't know. Just kind of like. Were you really tired?

Fell out. Fainted. I don't know. I got sunstroke one time. That's the closest I can come up with. Passed out. Yeah, I was close to the. that. My kids have done that. One of my kids in particular, like, practicing football or

soccer on turf in Texas in the summer. You know, the turf, like, radiates another 20 degrees up at you, and he just, boom, down on the ground, out. It's scary. That's scary stuff. Yeah. All right. Well, I would say get your affairs in order. And by the way, if you Catholics remain, that's everything you've ever wanted tinfoil. You've just wanted the chaos. You're ready for the chaos. He'll still work 18 hours, though. You talk a big game about order. But you are looking forward to the day when it's just you versus the bad people, you know, Catholics and the bad people that are all that are left. And you're ready for that. Even though you're afraid of death, I think you want that outcome. So get ready for the rapture. It's very precisely coming

tonight or tomorrow. So be ready. I'm not laughing. I'm getting ready for the rapture. This story, as Two A Days plays the music, there is, keep it going, two a days, a squirrel in California that keeps attacking people. He's got three victims. They think it's the same squirrel. He calls him golden squirrel. He's leaving blood. He's going on their legs, their shoulders, their face.

Sounds like I need to get my dogs and my buddies to go squirrel hunting each fall and head to California. That's going to do it for us today here on Wilkins. Cane Country. Make sure you like, subscribe, YouTube. Spotify, Apple. We'll see you again next time. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon Music app.