Will Cain Country - Jocko Willink, Bill Brown, & Jason Redman: Finding Freedom In Discipline & Navy SEALs To March For Pete Hegseth In D.C.

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Story #1: The Trump Doctrine: The Panama Canal, Greenland, and Canada under U.S. influence or control? How President-elect Donald Trump's reshaping of the world helps us understand the differences between isolationism, neoconservatism, and America First policies. PLUS: How we can apply the Trump Doctrine as we watch fires ravage California.   Story #2: Stay humble, remember that discipline is the path to freedom, and always take responsibility for your own actions and failures. Will is joined by retired Navy SEAL, Co-author of ‘Extreme Ownership’ and ‘The Dichotomy of Leadership,' & Host of the ‘Jocko Podcast,’ Jocko Willink. Story #3: Will is joined by retired Navy SEALs, Bill Brown & Jason Redman, to preview their massive march with military special forces veterans on Washington, D.C. in support of Secretary of Defense nominee Pete Hegseth next week. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Book club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday. Quiet night in on Friday. It's good to have a routine. And it's good for your eyes too. Because with regular comprehensive eye exams at Specsavers,

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and other lessons in extreme ownership with former Navy SEAL and best-selling author, Jocko, Willing. Three, Navy SEALs take to the Capitol. Hundreds of Navy SEALs plan a March next week in support of Defense Secretary nominee Pete Heggsett. We will speak today to several of those Navy SEALs. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page.

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here on the Will Kane show. But we have sad and big news today from across America, and we need to get to that because we have some fascinating conversations coming up. You don't want to miss our conversation with Jocco Willink. And several other Navy SEALs going to join us after that to talk about their support their march in Washington, D.C., in support of Pete Heggseth, who begins his nomination hearings next January 14th, just next week. So we're going to set that up as what you can expect there. What kind of physical presence, what kind of testimony you can expect there in Washington, D.C. Plus, I mean, as you start a new year and you think about a new you, and there's so much we all want to commit to, I really don't know that there's anyone better to help us understand.

what commitment and discipline and extreme ownership look like then jaco willing so we're going to get to all that a little bit later in the show but let us start with story number one fires this morning rage in southern california these fires began yesterday approximately 1030 pacific time but they started to rage overnight 80 up to 100 mile per hour winds driving embers and sparks all across Southern California. As we speak, I believe there are something like four separate fires in different parts of Southern California. 3,400 homes so far have been destroyed. This morning I saw the news. There's been two fatalities. Dozens of people injured. Burns reportedly when it comes to the fire raging in Pacific Palisades, pushing people to the well-known restaurant,

dukes in malibu it's um it's it's a real travesty in every single way that you can imagine and i can only imagine perhaps if you're watching today slightly more than some of you but i know not more than all of you i went to pepperdine in the 90s pepperdine in the crosshairs of this fire palisades fire as it as it burns down to the ocean and begins to move its way up the coast. You know, in a strike of bad luck turned good luck. About a month ago, we spoke about it here together, there were fires right on the doorstep of Pepperdine University, right up to the edge of campus. Pepperdine survived that fire. They have a long history of dealing with these issues, but what that fire did is burn away fuel for this current fire as it marches its way up the

coast. But that's just the story for Pepperdine. Thousands and thousands of homes. Homes of stars, Chris Pat, James Wood, Steve Gutenberg, either burned or under threat of burning. The famed Getty Mansion, the villa, looks like fires touched the property. I'm not sure it brought down the actual building. But it's not just the rich and the famous. There's Palisades Charter High School, which has been in movies and has been the place that a lot of stars have gone to school, engulfed by flames. But if you've ever been to Southern California, it's not just, although it is a lot of

multi-million dollar rich homes and not that their pain and suffering is any less than others but there are other people as well involved in this there's middle class there's mobile home parks there's mobile home parks in malibu there's mobile home parks in the palisades there's generational homes people who have been there for three four generations living in this area that is so desired by many it is an odd thing like paradise and the price and the cost of paradise this happens and it's hard not to remember what we went through together here, what we experienced here together of the people in Lahaina, in Maui. It's just something about paradise. It's the mountains meeting the sea. You know, and there's a lot of compounding factors that make this sort of an inevitability.

There is a great amount of risk assumption for all of us and where we end up living. You know, I live in Texas. I'm born and raised in Texas. We understand the potentiality of tornadoes. If you live in, you know, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, long to, Atlantic seaboard, you understand the risk of hurricane. When the mountains meet the sea and it's dry and there's fuel and there's very little roadways for escape, fires are something that just happened. It happened to me twice in my four years at Pepperdine. I'm not here to personalize anything other than to give you the window how I have experienced something like this to perhaps shed some small bit of understanding it is incredibly scary i mean it is darkened skies in the day

it looks like evening or at least dusk in the middle of the day it looks like hell at night skies lit up orange um i've driven through these fires when we evacuate campus of pepperdine and it's like how is this real it literally is dante's images of the inferno beyond that the sky and the air is filled with smoke, an inescapable first smell. You always smell like you did if you spent the weekend at a camp out. But beyond that, you guys know I was on the water polo team. We tried to practice for some of this because there is some semblance of life that has to go on. But boy, I got to tell you, your lungs burn with smoke.

And that's days and that's weak sometimes after. In the midst of all this, that's one of the biggest risks, obviously, is smoke. And the way I see it, there's three compounding. factors that I want to hit on first. Whenever there's a disaster, okay, there is an instinct. And I think I once saw National Views, Jonah Goldberg say this in reference to school shootings. We want to reach for the handrail of sanity. And one of the ways we establish sanity is try to try to grasp control. And blame is a way that we can control. We look for fault. We look for blame. And that instinct is not wrong but it's an incomplete picture because bad things happen in this world and here are

three compounding factors to the risk assumption the bad things of living in some place like southern california first of all the wind it's 80 mile an hour winds reported winds up to 100 miles an hour that's almost impossible to control you can't get aircraft up there fire crews on the ground cannot put out these fires first of all the topography is mountains it rolls you can't get to it it's burning out of control by the time it gets to a place where a fire truck could even reach. And it's huge. So you're putting it out with helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, which can fly in high winds easier. But this is hurricane force winds. And it spreads a fire so fast. This is exactly what happened in Maui. 80 mile an hour winds burned the entire town of Lahaina in roughly one hour. And so what you look,

if you see maps and there are maps out there, I wish I would have sent one in, share with us on the show is the amount of spread of this fire in an overnight time frame, six, seven hours is unfathomable. It's unfathomable. Two, the just confluence of ecology that I just laid out. Mountain sea, dry, brush. On about a four-year cycle, this happens in Southern California. And by the way, the cycle doesn't start. stop with the fire. After that, you have mudslides. And of course, they're, although not connected, you have the natural disaster risk of earthquake as well. And three is traffic. You know, just like in Maui, in Maui, there was really one main thoroughfare in and out of Lahaina. Why? Because,

well, it's a small town. There's only so much infrastructure built, but also sloping mountains dropping into the sea. It's the same thing right here in Pacific Palisades and Malibu. You have Pacific Coast Highway running along the coast. From that, you have small arteries. you have Malibu Canyon Road, which I commuted on daily. It's a two-lane road, and it winds through these mountain canyons. And it's just, there's not many options to get in and out. And then you have, again, what happened in Maui. People abandon their cars, and they do it for a multitude of reasons.

And Maui is because they're trying to escape literally the flames and smoke for their lives. Here, there are stories of mothers trying to get their kids out of school, and they can't get up to the school, so they get out of their cars, and they run to the school to get their kids. In the meantime, they leave their cars unattended, and now traffic is totally shut down. There's video out there of bulldozers having to move cars in Southern California

because people can't get up and down the roads. Fire crew, fire trucks, but also, you know, people escaping. So I can't get through because of these compounding factors. And then there is the handrail of sanity. And I don't, I'm not here. to absolve, but I'm also not here to indict. Who knows what the failure of leadership is right now? Mayor Karen Bass was on a trip to Ghana, Africa, during these fires.

I believe she's back now, or at least on her way, or soon to land back in Los Angeles. You know, the L.A. Fire Chief, people are suggesting, was a DEI. Higher. Elon Musk has suggested the Democratic mayor that was defeated by Karen Bass was extremely competent. Instead, what you have is what you get now with the current leadership. Here's what I know that, again, from my experience, I think we can see some of this in North Carolina with the floodings from Hurricane Helene. We can see it, certainly in Maui. Leadership is sometimes about direct response, but it is more often indictable in preparation. And when you have a state like California whose priorities are often focused on ideological goals like climate

change, green initiatives. And yes, DEI, you, because attention and resources are a finite game, they are diverted. It's a zero-sum game. We only have so much to give. It is pulled away from the priorities that matter to citizens directly. When you pay your taxes, there are certain things that you have a right to expect, police protection, emergency response. And because attention and money are finite. Anything given to misplaced priorities ends up something that can hurt citizens when they need their government. I want to tie this in really quickly to President Donald Trump and what he had to say yesterday, because we see here, I think, a Trump doctrine that prioritizes America first. First, I want you to listen to President Donald Trump

when he was talking about what everyone's talking about at this point, Greenland. Here's Donald Trump. to Greenland and the Panama Canal, so forth. Can you assure the world that as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use military or economic coercion? No. And can you tell us a little bit about what your plan is? Are you going to negotiate a new treaty?

Are you going to ask the Canadians to hold the vote? What is the strategy? I can't assure you. You're talking about Panama and Greenland. I can't assure you on either of those two, but I can say this, we need them for economic security. The Panama Canal was built for our military. I'm not going to commit to that now. No good negotiator would commit to taking any tool off the table.

Greenland offers us minerals, natural security protection in the Arctic as would compete against Russia and China. It's not a new idea. I want to read to you from the New York Post. The United States has long been interested in obtaining Greenland, considering making it for the North Atlantic Island in 1867 when we purchased Alaska from Russia. Roughly eight decades later, after World War II, the U.S. bid $100 million in gold bullion for Greenland, which Denmark declined. However, the offer led to a defense treaty that granted U.S. access to the Thule Air Base, now Potuffic Space Base, the military's northernmost outpost, which became critically important during the Cold War

due to its proximity to Russia. This is about what is necessary. for America. To me, it highlights something we need to understand. The Hegelian dialect to the idea that there's two opposing ideas and we have to debate between these two opposing ideas suggest to you that you're either a neo-connor and isolationist. I don't think that's true. I don't think it is a dichotomy, a bipolar choice. Isolationism withdraws the U.S. from the world. Neoconservatism is an ideology-driven idea that suggests our ideals are those ready to be accepted by the rest of the world and we can help through might and force to make Iraq a democracy. There is a third way, and that is the Trump doctrine, I believe, where we engage. We engage Greenland. We engage the

Panama. We engage the world, but we do it through the lens of what serves America. This is why it ties into what's happening into California. Do we pursue an ideological vision of green climate change initiatives, or do we serve the citizens of California? Do we export democracy, or do we engage with the world through the idea that it first has to satisfy the question of how it helps America. This, I think, is the Trump doctrine. And as a cherry on top, maybe we get to rename the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America. Here's Donald Trump. We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which has a beautiful ring that covers a lot of territory. The Gulf of America, what a beautiful name. And it's appropriate.

beautiful ring. It's appropriate. The Gulf of America has a beautiful ring and it's appropriate. This is the Trump doctrine. What is the doctrine of extreme ownership? It's 2025. You may have goals. You may have resolutions. You may have commitments. What is it going to take? Discipline, humility, and extreme ownership. That with Jocko coming up here on the Wilcane show. Hey, have you ever wondered what happened to the legendary Chuck Norris? I recently saw a video. He made, I was shocked. He's in his 80s. 80s. He's still kicking butt, working out, staying active. And here's what's even more shocking. He's stronger. He can work out longer. He has plenty of energy left over for his grandkids. And he did it by just making one change.

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Jocko Willink. He's a retired Navy SEAL. He's also the co-author of Extreme Ownership and also the other book, The Dicotomy of Leadership. He also hosts the Jocko podcast. And he joins us here on The Wheelcane Show. Jocko has like 10 other things that I could plug as well, like Jocko fuel, other businesses that he's taking extreme ownership in. Jocko, you've got to get up at 4.30 to get all that done, right? And that's what you did this morning?

Yes, indeed. Got to make time. Jocko, have you, tell me, you know, one of the things that you write about and you say is relaxation is not a reward, but how do you relax? I guess doing Jiu-Jitsu. You know, I train Jiu-Jitsu. I have a Jiu-Jitsu gym here in San Diego called Victory MMA, and training Jiu-Jitsu is, look, relaxing might not be the best word for what Jiu-Jitsu is because you're engaged in grappling combat with

another human being, but I do find it a good place for my mind to take. a little break. At 4.30 when that alarm goes off, and I follow you, and I've seen you for years doing this. What is it you do right away? 4.30, it's the gym? Yeah. Just, you know, brush the teeth and then go down, hit the gym. Always do something physical, some kind of physical exercise in the morning. I have to do that.

Otherwise, the whole day falls in. How much do you sleep? You know, I try and go to bed around 10 o'clock, but sometimes I stay up until 10, 30, 11. So somewhere, what's that, around 6 hours or so, you know, it's pretty. pretty good for me. It's pretty normal for me. Are you just one of these guys kind of like you've never needed sleep like Donald Trump? Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm like Donald Trump because I've heard he sleeps, you know, three hours a night. I've done that before. You know, obviously I was in the military for a long

time. So when you're in the military, there's going to be some nights you don't get much sleep. But, you know, and different people just, it's just biology. Different people need different amounts of sleep. I know a lot of people need seven, eight hours of sleep. I'm good with, you know, five or six hours. No big deal. uh was by the way were you always that way because i've i've heard jaco and i know a few guys in the community you and i've talked through the television screen a few times in hell week seal training um bud's training you know of course everything's hard but like there's two things that i feel like everybody keeps coming back to cold and sleep deprived were you like therefore cut out

for the sleep deprivation the sleep didn't really bother me and you know i'm from new England and I grew up in Maine and Connecticut where it was cold and the cold was you know look it's cold I'm not going to sit here and try and say it wasn't cold I was cold I was shivering just like everybody else but yeah that the sleep and the cold really were not at that adversarial to me you know some guys that grew up in Florida where they grew up warm their whole life I think it was a little harder for him not that plenty guys from Florida don't make it so yeah I'd say I was pretty accustomed to the I was pretty accustomed to the cold and the no sleep was definitely an through my whole career. Not needing a lot of sleep was an advantage. I picked the right career

path for someone with that weird skill of not needing a bunch of sleep. By the way, I think it was like two years ago during my summer break. I pre-recorded a ton of episodes here on The Wilcane show. And one of the things I focused on was America's elite warriors. And I spoke to SEALs and Delta and Special Forces and Marine Raiders. And this is what always I'm fascinated by Jocko is like, what is the commonality and it's really actually very hard to pin down because there's not a physical prototype there's guys of every size um and i know i know in the end when you boil it all down and we and we dig the commonality is just a resistance to ever saying no or to quitting it's like that's the main thing but you brought up you're from the northeast in florida guys is there

any disproportionate geographic representation in the teams i i would i don't know you know i have had guys from all, like, like, you know, I mentioned, I happen to mention Florida, but there's guys from Hawaii that grew up in, you know, in the tropical paradise of Hawaii. They're in the team's no factor. Guys from Iowa, guys from Alaska, guys from all over the place. It's, it really does just boil down to the, that individual human being. And if they really want to be a frogman or not. All right, I asked you how you relax. Talk to me about this. Um, it's 2025. Look, man, I've made resolutions. I've actually got a different, um, my most success. on New Year's Resolutions was volume, Jocko.

I threw like 20 at it two years ago and I accomplished 50% of them. I was like, that's pretty good, actually. You know, life is a volume business. Life's not about batting a thousand. It's about doing and failing and succeeding. And therefore it's about, it's like being a volume shooter in basketball.

Have you, like, I know you've done videos and you've done this on your podcast, talking about commitment. Is like, do you ever have, I'm sure January 1st means nothing to you when it comes to resolutions, but how do you handle like a commitment to a new resolution? Yeah, you know, we started something a few years ago.

It's actually at JoccoFuel, which you mentioned. We started a little something in-house. People were kind of doing their New Year's resolution things. And honestly, the first couple of years, I wasn't really paying attention to it. Because like you said, to me, January 1st is the same as January 5th, is the same as November, whatever. It doesn't matter me. It's another day. I'm going to get up and do what I do.

But we did this program. It really helped a lot of people inside the team and helped them out a lot. and then the next year we're like oh let's see if anybody else wants to do this let's see if people that are you know customers consumers people that use the product want to do it and we did it and man it was really amazing the kind of impact it had on people we called the deaf reset discipline equals freedom reset and there's eight daily habits you've got to follow you know for january get up early workout prioritize next queue drink water clean food no junk food and take some time to remember the people that have sacrificed so you can so we can do you

what we get to do today and it's one of those things where we when I saw all these different people really making significant progress it it was impactful and so now we usually do a summer one and we do this one at the beginning of the year and honestly I think it's awesome you know people make videos and they they tag you know the progress that they're making the progress that they made and it doesn't the cool thing is it doesn't end january 1st it's like a a good new year's resolution shouldn't end you know January 31st it should it should keep going if it's something that you can sustain. So, yeah, I think it's a positive thing.

Well, in that program, I did 75 hard, Jocko, which is kind of, I don't know if you've ever heard of 75 hard, but it's a little similar to what you just described. Like there was a water requirement every day. But what you just, I think that the, and I don't know that I've heard you specifically talk about this, but I'm sure that you have, what that seems to do, what you described about your program,

is habit forming, right? So can you form habits through this minutiae of what you do on a daily basis? and I don't know what the time frame it is required to create a habit. I've heard people say different time frames. But that, you know, habit is very powerful. Yeah, and to me, habit means you're going to do the thing without thinking about the thing. And where we run into our biggest problems is when we're, when we let our brain get involved in the decision-making progress, our process, if we're going to work out, you know,

if you put a donut in front of me and I just turn off my brain, my lizard brain says, yeah, eat that thing. Eat that donut. But I have to engage my brain and make sure that I'm doing the right things for the right reasons. And the other side of that corner is like when it comes to doing physical activity, you can find a way to talk yourself out of that by by debating with yourself and making excuses. Whereas if it's just a habit, it's just what you're going to do. You're going to get up and do the thing. Go make it happen. So yeah, I think it is beneficial. So habit, like you said, is the lizard brain, but, and you've already mentioned it once, and you've done videos again on this, and you've been talking about it for years, but it does, I mean, it's such a phrase,

and it does resonate so much, discipline equals freedom. So it's like, in order to get to the habit stage, before you even get there, of your lizard brain taking over, there's discipline that is required, which is, I think, a conscious commitment to a certain set of actions. And I love how you talk about it, the limitations of motivation and the power of discipline. yeah motivation is just another emotion it's going to come and go depending on how you feel that day well discipline is consistent it's going to be there whether you want it to be there or not you get up and you be disciplined and do what you're supposed to do and it's counterintuitive for people i mean discipline equals freedom and i it's counterintuitive but the minute you hear it you're like

yeah i actually i i get that and you can you can feel it if anyone who's ever even if it's moments and windows in your life where you've been dedicated to a purpose and you've been disciplined about pursuing it, you know how you felt during that time, right? Yeah, I think when people hear that phrase, the instant reaction is, oh, that doesn't make any sense. But as soon as they think about it for a minute, they say, oh, yeah, I remember how when I was in high school and I was very disciplined about preparing for tests, I got better grades on the test, and therefore I had more freedom, you know, to do what I wanted because my parents got off my back. And same thing with physical.

You know, if you have physical discipline to go and work out like you're supposed to, you have more freedom to, you know, run down the street if you've got to chase your dog. It just discipline will give you freedom in all aspects of your life. And I think it sounds counterintuitive, but as soon as people really consider what it means, it makes sense and that's why they can latch on to it. Well, I think there's something else. And it may be in tension with another one of your lessons, which is relaxation is not a reward. But look, if I'm not disciplined, Jocko, and, and I'm not disciplined,

not doing the things that I know deep down that I need to be doing, then my free time is burdened by guilt. And it's never truly enjoyed. I'm thinking, oh, man, I should have. I would have. I got to. I mean, I just feel it. And I was just, maybe if somebody's watching and listening home and they're like, I don't feel that way, Will, when I'm chilling, do you not? Like, are you fully present and enjoying it? Where when I'm disciplined and purpose driven and getting stuff done, when I do choose to turn off or relax, even though it's not supposed to be my reward, I can be fully present in that moment of relaxation. Yeah, well, I don't think there's anybody that would deny that when you do something, whether it's working out, whether it's accomplishing a task that you were supposed

to do at your house, whether it's getting a project done for work, everyone knows you feel better when you get done with that thing. And that's exactly what you're talking about. You know, if you stayed in bed on Sunday morning and didn't get up and work out, well, by Sunday afternoon, you know you don't feel as good as you would have had you done the right thing. So, yeah, I agree with that. And it's hanging over you all day while you're chilling. You're like, I got to go do that, which, and then you'll make excuses. Then you won't do it and the whole day feels full of guilt.

Okay, I don't know if you've ever talked about this. So I love your history podcast that you do as well, Jocko. This discipline equals freedom. I think it's more than micro. I think it's macro too. So what I mean by that, and when I say you dive in history, you may have touched this. I think the founding fathers actually required this when they thought about a free society. First of all, they thought about a free society where there were limitations

on human choice and behavior based upon a Judeo-Christian limitation. Like, that's the discipline that they thought about. Like, we're going to be able to be free and we don't have laws limiting our behavior because we have ethics and morals and code and religion that controls our behavior. Therefore, we don't need the government to do so. And that's another, like, we're talking about it what a single person, how they achieve freedom, but it requires discipline. But I think there's something to the whole society as well. If we're not disciplined as a society, we can't be free. Yeah. I've heard some story about the fact that when we put the Statue of Liberty on one coast, we should have put the statue of discipline or restraint on the other coast because you do need that

balance. And you're right. I mean, a country without laws is going to be chaos. And you're not going to, you're not going to end up with real freedom, right? You're not going to have real freedom if you've got to watch your back every move that you make and everyone's attacking each other and it's anarchy. That's not going to be real freedom. You're going to be a slave to the people around you to other people that are trying to get things for themselves. So yeah, you do need, you obviously, you have to have laws, you have to have rules, you have to have structure.

And once you have that, then you can achieve real freedom. So, yeah, that's 100% accurate. Yeah. Yeah, but not just laws. I guess what I'm saying is also there's just private choice and private enterprise and private belief that cumulatively on a national scale culturally allows us to be free. So we're not just base instinct. Freedom means I do whatever I want.

Yeah, you're free. We hope you choose to be disciplined. Yeah. Well, we do have the freedom to make those choices. You can make all kinds of bad choices and we see that happen all the time. Unfortunately, to people, they make bad choices in their lives. Or in this case, what you're talking about, from a, from a governmental perspective,

you can have governments that make bad choices and you end up with bad situations happening. That is absolutely true. Let me take that moment then to ask you about this. So I'm curious about your view on American leadership. I was happy to see this, Jocko. You put out a video. You supported my friend, my former co-host,

Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense, and by the way, also a mutual friend, Tulsi Gabbard. Talk to me about why that was important to you to put those videos out for Pete and Tulsi. Well, I think looking at what's been happening in America for the past, you know, few years, it's really clear that we need some people that are not, that come from outside the system. And listen, I was in the military for 20 years. I spent time, I was the, what's called the Admiral's Aid.

So I worked directly for the Admiral that was in charge of all the Seals. And that meant I spent a decent amount of time going to the Pentagon, going to meetings. and kind of, I don't claim to be, you know, have in-depth knowledge, but I sat through plenty of meetings in the Pentagon and budgeting meetings and understand the quadrenial review and kind of just seeing a little bit about how that machine works to know that it's a big, giant, bureaucratic monster. And at a certain point, you've got to bring some fresh eyes to take a look at that thing and really provide some corrective measures.

and I think that Pete is a great candidate for that job. I think he's going to go in there. I think he's, you know, obviously he was in the military himself. And so he understands what it's like to be on the front lines, which to me is extraordinarily important to have the person that's in charge of the Department of Defense understand what it means to be sent forward into harm's way and know what that feels like and know what that truly means. And then I think the fact that he was a leader in the military.

And when you're in the military, there's some stereotypical ideas that people think military leadership is like, you know, I'm going to stand at the top because I'm in charge. I'm going to bark orders. Everyone's going to obey my orders. And does that happen in the military? Yes, it happens in the military. It happens in the civilian sector too. I work with a bunch of companies in the civilian sector. You have those type of tyrannical leaders in the civilian sector and you have them in the military.

they're more they're more stereotypically viewed to be in the military but good military leadership does not look like that good military leadership is a humble leader that listens to what people have to say that hears out other opinions that looks for not his idea but the best idea and and then moves forward and makes that happen and then when they make a mistake they say oh you know what we're moving in the wrong direction that's on me we're going to switch we're going to change up And, you know, I haven't spent a lot of time with Pete, but I've spent enough time with him to recognize that he's a guy that's going to listen. He's a guy that's going to, when he makes a mistake, he's going to own that mistake and he's going to get it fixed. So I think having that fresh set of eyes and that new blood is going to be good.

I think there's going to be people, well, never mind, I think. There are people that are horrified of that. There are people that are horrified of that new blood coming in with a fresh look saying, hey, wait a second. you know, literally the guys from office space coming in and say, hold on a second, what exactly do you do here? Because you go to the Pentagon, there's a lot of people that they're filling a seat, but I don't know what they're actually executing on. So I think that just that right there, what I said, bringing a fresh set of eyes,

someone that has combat experience and is going to go in there with the sole focus of preparing the United States military to fight and win wars. That's what the military is supposed to do, fight and win wars. And that's what I find fascinating about your perspective, I would assume, Jocko, that doesn't just come from 20 years in the military. Since then, you've been advising companies about corporate bureaucracy and leadership. And so you've seen this play out in private enterprise, not just the military. So this humility, and by the way, that's one of your lessons, discipline is freedom, stay humble.

And I know Pete well. And the way you describe him is 100% true. he is it sounds cliche to say man of the people he wants to know the warfighter the trigger puller which he was one he wants to consider them and he doesn't want to do that first style of leadership you talked about

which again you've seen in every walk of life I assume yeah absolutely you see tyrannical leaders people that you know they think that if they stand at barcorders and look the sad thing about it is it works you know if I'm in charge of you will if you're if I'm your boss and I yell at you and tell you to do something

it kind of works because what are you going to do? You got a job. You want to keep your paycheck. And so you do what I told you, you do what I yelled at you to do. And although it works, that reinforces my behavior. I don't do more. Yeah, I think that's the way to lead. Well, now, meanwhile, you're putting in a resume because you want to leave. Or if you're in the military, you want to get out of the military. And yet, if you have a person that's a humble leader that says, hey, well, we got this project, how do you think we should execute this thing? And all of a sudden, you go, hey, hey, Jockel, here's what I think. And by the way, will's been down there on the front lines interacting with the people we've got to interact with

I'm up here in the ivory tower you're going to know better right you're going to have a better answer so yeah it's great to hear that and again that's the that's the sort of vibe that I got from Pete when I've interacted with him before and and actually quite frankly that's the that's the reports I've got from him from people that have worked with him is that he's a humble guy that he look he's he's a confident guy well good right I don't want somebody that lacks confidence so he's a confident guy, but he's not overconfident. He's not arrogant. And I think he's going to go in there and have the capability of making some real changes.

You know, I think it's a very large organization to make the kind of changes that it needs, but he's at least going to get a start on it. And you never know. Four years in that seat, he might be able to make some real changes that we need. Well, what I love about that conversation we just had is actually inadvertently touched on, like, one of your three big principles you focus on, which is humility, because you did it there, you talked about that's not the same thing as lacking confidence, but it is sort of separating your ego, and I do know that about Pete as well, not an ego guy at all, separating your ego

from even your humility and your confidence. Like that's a separate thing. Your ego, set that thing aside, and then confidence in humility are more action-oriented as opposed to identity-oriented. Yeah, and look, we've done terrible things as a country because of ego. You know, we've followed, pursued actions that we've clearly look around and go, hey, this doesn't seem like it's working out too well. Maybe we should stop. But you know what? This was my plan.

We're going to keep doing it. And instead of someone saying, hey, you know what, this isn't going really, this is the second and third order effects don't really look as good as I thought they were going to look. Maybe we should stop what we're doing. And, I mean, even look at the Vietnam War, you know, you read reports now that. that LBJ and McNamara, they thought, they figured that we could not really achieve victory in Vietnam about halfway through that war. And they kept fighting and we lost another 25,000 Americans in a feudal war that they admitted

that they didn't think we could win. So what is that? That's pure ego. All right. So I have a few minutes left with you here. and I don't want to like, I did, I buried the lead. But, you know, I think of all the things that you've talked about, your three kind of big tenets, which is stay humble,

discipline equals freedom. I actually think the hardest one, maybe not to acknowledge for human beings, but to actually execute for human beings. And that's saying something because I think discipline is really hard for people to execute. But extreme ownership is even harder. And I saw you say a thing about, you know,

like people want to focus on young generations. Dude, this is not generational. Like taking ownership of your mistakes, your failures, taking ownership of your entire life is just, it is a difficult thing inside of human nature. Yeah, it is. And the example that I always try to paint for people so that they recognize how intrinsic it is to blame other people and blame circumstances is, you know, I got four kids and, you know, I'd walk into the kitchen and the milk is spilled on the floor.

And I look at my son, you know, it's five-year-old, six-year-old son, and say, what happened? and he says the milk spilled right the milk spilt it wasn't him it was the milk it was the milk that spilled and that's in voice yeah that's an instinct that we have and it is so hard to overcome that instinct it's very difficult to look at your team look at your look at your family and say hey look i made a mistake here this is what i'm going to do to fix it this is on me and when you start taking ownership it actually gives you it actually it actually it actually gives you the power to make changes and prevent things from happening again. Yeah, as opposed to, hey, this isn't my fault. You know, this is Will's fault. The reason we failed on this mission was

because Will didn't do his job. Well, that means it's not out of my hands. I can't control it anymore. Instead of saying, hey, look, here's the mistakes that I made. I didn't give Will the clear guidance that he needed. I didn't give him the support that he needed. That's why we failed. Next time, I'm going to make sure I give him clear guidance. Next time I'm going to make sure I give him the support that he needs. So that way we won't fail again. Okay, well, now I can What's the extreme part? Well, the extreme is that. What's the extreme part, Jock? Yeah. The extreme is that you try and do that with every single aspect of your life and your job and your mission. Now, there's a caveat.

The caveat is, look, horrible things can happen to people that they have no control over. You know, your kid can get cancer. You can get teaboned on, you know, on a road by a drunk driver. You're doing everything perfectly right. There are going to be things that have. happen in your life that that you have no control over. And I get asked, you know, how do you take ownership of those things? And the answer is, is quite, quite frankly, it's you take ownership of how you respond. You know, how are you going to respond to that terrible thing that unfolded? You know, your kid got sick. Okay, how are you going to respond to that? What are you going to do? How are you going to move forward? How are you going to support them? Oh, you got a car accident? Okay, how are you going to

recover? What are you going to do? Where are you going to move from here? How are you going to take that next step forward so but but we have the ability we have we can take ownership of much much more in life than people usually think and it goes back to that instinct to point your finger at someone else it's so much easier just to point your finger at someone else and say up wasn't me it was will's fault it was will's fault not mine and as soon as i do that i feel i feel i feel good for you know a split second my ego gets my ego gets the relief of not having to take the blame for anything but as soon as I say that I just became a victim and I lose control so taking extreme ownership of your life in every aspect that you possibly can is going to give you a better life

in in in all aspects so one last question jaco it's a horrible question I can't believe I'm going to do this but I have to follow my curiosity you've got a busy day I've got two navy seals on deck waiting to come on so we all recognize our time pressure here so forgive me when I say I'm sitting or listening to you talk about extreme ownership. And I'm just curious. You're a deep thinker. I know. I've watched enough of you historically, philosophically.

You're a psychologist, basically, at this point in your career. Is, do you believe in fate? Not really. Not really. Well, let me rephrase that. I believe that there's a blueprint out there, but you're the carpenter. and even though you're looking at the blueprint and you can follow that blueprint and if you don't make any changes, that blueprint is what's going to happen.

But if you want to, you can start making changes to that plan. You can start putting two by fours in different places and you can really modify the way that building is going to come out. So I think there is a, you know, there's a blueprint there for your life. And if it's good and you like it and you can move forward, that's great. But if there's some things that you don't like about your fate, you need to step up, take ownership, and get those things changed. I struggle with that back and forth.

Everything in me says I don't believe in fate because I want the control that requires ownership of my own life. But I go back and forth on that sometimes. So I think about that. I'm sorry, I put you that deep philosophical question very end. So what I'll say is this instead. We have a mutual friend. He was my swim buddy, Shane McKenzie.

I think you know Shane. Yeah, I went through buzz with him. Yeah, well, he needs to go back to Buzz to keep up with me and swimming, to be honest. I couldn't wait on Shane. I had to go in the New York City Navy SEAL swim, but he's a, he's a, he's a badass. And I hope I can see you this summer, Jocko. New York City Navy SEAL swim?

Anyway, we're going to get you. Okay, I hope so. It depends what the summer looks like, but, you know, I'll try and find out when it is. Somewhere early August. I hope so, man. I really appreciate the time you gave us today. again pick up the book extreme ownership the other one is the dichotomy of leadership check out the jaco podcast get yourself from jaco fuel

jaco thank you so much right on man appreciate it good talking to you you too there you go jocco willink here on the will cane show we're not done with navy seals though because there's about to be a rally of hundreds of navy seals in Washington DC in support of defense secretary nominee pete hexeth two of those guys who i've swam with across that hudson river in the new york city navy seal swim who Pete swam with will be a part of that. We're going to ask why and what's about to happen

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Joining us now, my friend, former Navy SEAL, Bill Brown, veteran, Patriots First Support, First Amendment support of Secretary of Defense nominee Pete Heggseth. Bill is organizing what's about to go down in Washington, D.C. What are you doing, Bill? Are you standing? Are you sitting? What are we got going here? I can't tell. Are you standing?

I'm sitting. Maybe not the best angle here. sitting it's a very it's a power shot from below it has you towering over me uh did you hear that bill i might have just got jaco to join the new york city navy seal swim this summer maybe it was a soft commitment from jaco all right woo that would be awesome we need to get him in the hudson i'd said that we'd be joined by two navy seals we might be joined uh by jason redmond and kajlarsen as well coming up here. They'll be a part of what they're a part of the New York City Navy SEAL swim every summer. I swim with all three of these guys and they're going to be a part of what's going to go down

in D.C. next week. So tell us, Bill, what, what is at least, you know, a portion of the Navy SEAL community planning on doing next week in Washington, D.C.? You know, Pete has gone out of his way to help the SEAL community. For years, the legacy media was given us negative media out there, painting a picture that wasn't true about us and every year with your help and pete we were able to send a real positive patriotic message of unity for our entire nation to see uh seals coming across the country to swim across one of the most dirtiest and dangerous rivers in the nation to send a positive patriotic message we've raised millions of dollars to help other seals gold stars and their families and other veterans.

And, you know, we totally support the warfighter class in this nation, support speed. We've had serious concerns with the Pentagon. There's no greater travesty than they withdraw in Afghanistan where they gave trillions of dollars of military equipment to our enemies. You could look at, they failed to speak up and say, hey, maybe we shouldn't let this spy balloon overtly and gather intelligence over our sensitive military installations, or guess what? Maybe it's a huge national security concern with all the terrorist entities and foreign intelligence agencies out there to have an open

border with a sophisticated technology and portable weapon systems that could cause mass horror in our country. And the Pentagon was asleep at the wheel. You know, real leadership is having a courage to stand up and say things that are hard. And Pete was to the first person and the loudest person to say, hey, something's wrong with the Pentagon here. And it doesn't take a genius to realize he failed seven audits. You can't, you don't, even this year, unaccountable over $824 million. Like, there's huge issues in the Pentagon, corruption, waste, abuse. You have individuals that they either were silent or been in need to the woke audio. That put us all at risk.

And so what we're doing is we're going to get together, and we want our nations, the leaders in our nation, our senators, our congressmen, we want them to know where the warfighters stand. And that's what we're going to do. We're going to, this is kind of historic. We believe it's so important now. There's never been a greater threat assessment out there at all. And with so many risks out there, we need our military to get refurb. focused as soon as possible. So what we're doing is we're getting together. We're going to number one goal is to be in that hearing as many veterans as we can get in that hearing to support Pete

to let the senators objectively know like this is where we're at. We stand by Pete. These are your nation's war fighters. Listen to us because we care about our country. And then we're also going to march and meet us with American flags. Seals only march with American. flags. We don't wear masks. We're proud of who we are. We want everybody know what we're about and what we represent. Meet us at the Vietnam War Memorial at 9 a.m. And come help us support Pete. All right. Let's bring in someone else who's going to be joining you that day, Bill. Jason Redmond is a retired Navy SEAL as well. You know, Jason, I know you just heard what Bill was saying. it's pretty you bill used a word i think it's important historic i can't speak for every defense

secretary nominee but here's what i know uh bill yourself jason you guys helped drive a petition that last i looked at was approaching 3,000 uh names in support of pete higgsett scott man uh retired uh special forces green beret put one for the green beret community together i know that one's around 400 signatories. Stu Scheller, the guy who sounded the alarm about Afghanistan, took to Capitol Hill to meet with Senators about Pete Hegseth.

And I don't know what the number is, Jason, but I think it's over a hundred guys who fought directly with Pete have also signed an endorsement of Pete Hegseth as defense secretary. So the point is, I don't know, again,

I don't know if the historical context, but it seems to Bill's word historic that you're hearing from so many war fighters in support of Pete. Yeah, I've talked about this last night and Will, good to see you again. I talked about this last night on another podcast. I think the reason you're having so many of us that are coming out, one, you have this, you have the old regime. And I think the political system in America is somewhat broken, in my opinion. Now, Trump being elected, I think, is proof that it does still work. But we've got this division. We're so divided on

both sides with different narratives and ideologies. And I think that's pervaded into the fabric of our bureaucracy, which is seen now at the highest levels of DOD. The majority of our Secretary defensive defenses have either been former generals and senior leaders in the military, or they have been individuals that have been heavily trenched in the leadership of the military industrial complex. The problem with that, they bring in political biases, they bring in relationships, they bring in these things that influence their decision making. Now we throw in a lot of the woke ideology that was happening over the four years. I think our Department of Defense is off track. Don't get me wrong, man, 95% of our military is amazing. We are one of the greatest and best, most patriotic

fighting forces on the planet. But we're off course. The military should be focused on defending the homeland. It should be focused on enabling peace through strength, which means we need advanced technology. We need to be focusing on our next generation warfighters. We need to be focusing on AI, cybersecurity, all these different things, the threats we're facing. And right now, that doesn't look like what DOD was doing. It looks like they were more focused on, hey, we need more DEI briefs. We need more things like this instead of focuses on how do we bring in the best warfighters to make the most lethal, effective military in the world. And then, God forbid, we have. have to fight a war. We're ready to do it. Pete is a reset. There are people that don't want him

because he's not a part of the old guard. He's not going to bow to the old political connections. He's not going to bow to the military industrial complex that so many of these guys were tied to. He is going to bring this military back to what it is designed to do, protect America, project peace through strength, and God forbid we have to get in a war. We're ready to do it. what that's very eloquently and uh i think comprehensively put jason you must have practiced it on another podcast i'll have you practice it more and you can also um reiterate it on television we'll get that on the biggest broadcast mechanisms we can uh because it is it is it is extremely compelling um bill what do you think we should expect next week what's your turnout going to be

what's it going to look like as you guys go to dc it's going to it's going to be a very big turnout So there's a couple things happening. One is Jillian Anderson had a great idea. And her idea was, hey, let's organize a press conference just with war fighters and any elected officials, any senators, any congressmen and women who want to come and publicly support Pete, any military leaders, let's come on and do that. So on Monday at noon, at the courtyard Foggy Bottoms Hotel and the Lincoln conference room, we're going to have a big conference room. And I can't tell you how many emails I've received from people who serve with Pete that are coming. They're coming from all across the country because they love Pete. They know Pete's the right guy for position.

They serve with them. They're going to be there. They're going to come speak. You're going to have a bunch of guys you've served with Pete come in and speak for him at the press conference. You're going to have plenty of military leaders there. And it's an open invite to any senators or congressmen that want to publicly come out and support Pete because we want to set the chessboard up for victory. We want a nurse that move forward with Pete. We want it to be objectively clear where all the warfighters, what the warfighter class in this nation is.

We're upset with the current leadership in the Pentagon. It's gone astray. There's time to get our ship steered in the right direction. Let's get the right skipper in there, and that's Pete. So then the next step is at 4 a.m. in the morning, a bunch of vets are going to line up right outside the Senate hearing bill at the confirmation building. And we're going to stack the place four bets. And so we're going to have a two-prong attack. We're going to first prong, highest priority, is get as many bets as we can.

in the confirmation hearing, and then two, all the other vets, we're going to march, we're going to hold them more high ground. We're not going to let anybody discredit our service or discredit our message. We're going to hold American flags, no drama. We're not looking for any confrontation. We just want to be taken accounted for it. We're going to stop at the memorial, say a few words, and just be there, and we're going to be there. So when Pete is confirmed, that's the next second, defense he can come out and talk to his supporters we support pete our country needs pete we need real leadership and that's what pete is he's a real leader he has the courage to say the hard things that everybody know is true so you guys are the three of us know each other and you guys know my

relationship with pete and i'm open about my my lack of objectivity on it but i think my bias is well founded it's grounded in life experience and knowledge you know i just had jaco on and and you guys have sung the praises of pete as have i let me do one thing and i'm going to ask this of you jason um i think jocco he supports pete and he talked about why he also acknowledged one of the uh criticisms of pete not the personal attacks and all that mudslinging but hey has he ever managed something that big jason you brought up like the guys who've run the defense department come from either you know, four-star generals or the military industrial complex, you know, McNamara, outsiders, but inside the complex. Is there any concern of Pete's management experience up to this point?

I mean, on one hand, people say it's a plus. Like he's the, the, he, he tapped out at major, right? That's a plus because it puts him more in touch with the warfighter class, with the soldiers on the ground class. Is there any concern at all of you're managing a behemoth? Well, let's take the example of the left's favorite icon, Barack Obama. Barack Obama didn't have a lot of experience. He was a local organizer who then moved into Congress and then obviously up into the office of the presidency. I would say this. Is it a concern?

I agree. It's something that I had looked at also. But once again, I go back to the reset. I think we need to get things back on course. I think we need to stop bringing in the same people, you know, or the same lane of people we have in the past. You know, senior military leaders are flag officers that have been entrenched in the military bureaucracy or members of the military industrial complex.

I think Pete is smart enough. I work with Pete on Concern Veterans for America. I was there for over two years speaking on stages with Pete. I put out a video about this. Everybody wanted to attack Pete and say pizza drunk, Pizza Womanizer. I did not see it. I stayed at the same hotels. I spoke on the same stages with Pete. I think Pete is smart enough that he reaches out and he leans on the people that are that are smarter than him and people who understand how it works. And that is exactly what Pete's going to have to do in the Department of Defense. I don't see Pete coming into the Pentagon and saying, I'm going to run this place.

I am the, you know, I am the emperor and you guys are all going to follow me. I think Pete's going to come in and he's going to look for the right people. now people who have stood for the things that are not aligned with what is best for our military supporting those three things I talked about defending the homeland, peace through strength and fighting our nation's wars with letality. People who weren't doing that and pushing their own agenda, I see Pete removing them. Those who were focused on trying to navigate this system and continue to build a strong military and support their people in the mission, I see Pete leaning on them and saying, okay, guys, I've never done this before, but guess what, I'm smart enough to lean. on you to make sure we have a vibrant, strong, successful American Department of Defense. Right. But again, really well put. Bill, we're friends. I hope you don't mind me saying this. So, you know, I've been doing what I do for a long time. I'm very used to criticism, Bill. Very used to it. I'm used to hatred, right? We both fought different wars. Although, Bill, you've been fighting this war that I have fought for a long time for a little bit now. So putting yourself out there, letting know what you believe and getting the blowback so we've talked you and i about some some resistance

that but you know here's my thought bill and i want you tell me you think i'm wrong because this is a new war for you to fight right i actually don't get the sense it's that big bill okay there's some who's going to push back i'm talking about within the warfighter community but from my perception of what you've heard bill it's in the minority and i really want you to shed some like i feel like again i want to be very humble about my my exposure to all of you guys and how much I know you and how much I'm plugged into your communities, not just yours, but special forces and other communities as well. Bill, I feel like it's overwhelming from the petitions to what you're going to do in D.C.

to the anecdotal conversations and relationships I have, while there might be a little pushback, I don't get the sense it's a lot. I think it's overwhelming support from war fighters. It is overwhelming support, but I never underestimate the curbball in a nine-day. And so what we need to do, the fact that when you, the threat assessment on a global scale now, there's just so many different angles. And you have China, you know, they're tapping into the U.S. department. They're tapping into telephone companies.

You know, they're flexing across the board. They're flexing in the Panama Canal. Now, we need our military leadership. There hasn't been accountability in our military leadership. And that's one of the things you can have. There's a couple of things you need in war to be successful, to be victorious. You need a tactical advantage and you need discipline. And discipline does not come without accountability.

And that's one of the greatest flaws in our current leadership is there hasn't been accountability. And so that's what, that's why are we advocating so hard? because we've been downrange, because we realize how much has gone astray, how great the risk is, and how it's important to get the right person in charge there. And that's what's happened. You know, there's a lot of intellectuals in the Pentagon. They failed to speak up and say, hey, maybe we shouldn't give up these airports first in Afghanistan. Or they fail to speak up and say, hey, you know what, maybe we should we should speak up against

this woke mom and say, hey, having these open borders is a serious national security threat to us. And I'm not talking about isolated incidents like in New York where they didn't properly vet somebody and they get somebody gets burned alive. I mean, we can have horror on a grand scale, like 9-11 scale, with the type of sophisticated portable weapon systems that are available out there. And if you have a wide open border, it could be disastrous for a nation. There's not one intelligence agency out there that can say that what anything i'm saying here is wrong they failed to speak up that's a huge concern for all of us that's why you know that's one of the reasons why we're advocating so hard and that's why we're not going to get off the gas pedal because it's too important

for for us not to be successful here well you know what i think you just highlight there like intellect is not a rare commodity actually um wisdom's a rare commodity that's different than but you know what's extremely rare is courage you guys know what courage is obviously and you're also i think you're also putting yourself out there in a new realm of courage you know um in in standing up when you asking that of other people in leadership uh positions i won't be able to be there next week um that was confirmed for me yesterday i wish i could be with you guys uh in dc we're going to make sure we cover it uh because i do think it is historic uh and i know that i'll soon see both of you on television, and we want to make sure we get as much exposure of what you guys are doing

next week as absolutely possible. I'm proud to know both of you guys. I don't know when I'll see you next, but I'll look forward to it. Thank you guys both. Thank you. Will, all that's good to see you, brother. Thank you, brother. All right, take care, fellas. I'll see you soon. That's Jason Redmond and Bill Brown, retired Navy SEALs. You need to pay attention to your news cycle next week, because that's going to be a heck of a statement, a heck of a showing next week in Washington, D.C. with the Navy SEALs in support of Pete Hegg said. Also, just one last reminder, 12 o'clock tomorrow. Come hang out.

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