Will Cain Country - Joey Jones: How President Trump Is Erasing Former President Biden's Legacy & Charting A New Path Forward For America

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Story #1: What a time to be alive! President Donald Trump ushers in the new golden age of American Exceptionalism, and Will launches The Will Cain Show at 4 PM ET on the FOX News Channel. Story #2: Breaking down the flurry of moves by the Trump Administration in the first 24 hours with the author of ‘Unbroken Bonds Of Battle’ & FOX News contributor, Joey Jones. Story #3: Sorry Two-a-Dayz, the Ohio State Buckeyes are the College Football National Champions. Breaking it all down with the creator of the ‘Super 70s Sports’ social media account & Host of ‘The Ricky Cobb Show’ on OutKick, Ricky Cobb. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, what a time to be alive. Today, we launched the Will Cain show at 4 p.m. on the Fox News Channel, as it will be, a day of restoration for America. Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Connor McGregor, Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and more. celebrate the inauguration of Donald Trump. Two, a fire hose of action. Might be a good day to launch a show centered around the news to launch the Will Cancel. Because with 200 executive actions, over 40 executive orders, and a massive announcement today on infrastructure, how do we process the flurry of action for Donald Trump,

but we'll do so with Joey Jones. Three, Ohio State beats Notre Dame. Ohio State is your national champion. Sorry, two a days. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Terrestrial radio, some 30-odd markets across this great United States. of America, but always on demand by subscribing on Apple or on Spotify. If you're watching us on Facebook or YouTube, hopefully newly uncensored on Facebook or YouTube,

hit subscribe and join us every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time. This will be a casual continued hang out with you, the Walliscia, every day as we take a first pass, but also a deep dive into the news before the launch at 4.4. p.m. on the Fox News Channel of the Will Kane Show. How do we feel, fellas? Are we all ready? I don't even know what to expect. All I know is that my first scheduled guest appears to be President Donald Trump, as he is set to make a massive announcement at 4 o'clock. Eastern time on infrastructure. Yeah, we appreciate the president announcing massive news on the debut episode of the Will Kane show.

What a time to be alive. I mean, the streets and the rotunda filled with a absolutely remarkable sense of joy. I want to show everyone watching at home and you guys, I'm back in the studio, just a little bit that caught my attention yesterday. I mean, the number of people gathered yesterday at the rotunda was full of the usual suspects. was, of course, the cabinet members, like our friend, nominee for Secretary of Defense Pete Heggseth, people like Senator Ted Cruz, but also people like the Nelkeboys, people like Connor McGregor, people like Mike Tyson, Jake and Logan Paul, and Theo Vaughan. Take a look at this moment from the Rotunda seating where Theo Vaughn was in a row just in front of Jake and Logan

Paul. It happened. I said it one. We have to see here. We got us to see here. I got it on videos here. It actually had it. Kamala's chairs. Kamala's chairs.

That's Theo Vaughn sitting next to one of the elk boys falling in the laps of Logan and Jake Paul. Theo did go to social media and suggest it was a setup that Paul's had had jimmied with his chair to ensure that he fell. I don't know. There's something perfect about this in that. that it is a solemn and serious occasion supported by, you know, the bro culture of America. I love it. It's so good. It's weird seeing all those guys together, just, you know, celebrating Trump and at that, in that forum.

It's great. Take a look at this. This is Mike Tyson on the shoulders of Jake Paul. I mean, that's some good strength right there. yeah you got to give credit to jake paul he is squatting mike tyson just a few months ago they're putting on a fight for profit and here they are today celebrating it is wild the transformation i mean snoop dog performed at some of the parties over the weekend leading up to the inauguration of donald trump i mean you know four years ago snoop dog put out a music video where he

he was mock assassinating Donald Trump. It's just, it's, it's wild. The transformation, Snoop Dog, my buddy, who once called me a devil, um, and pleaded with Stephen A. Smith to do away with me on ESPN. It's just wild. The way the culture has shifted, the way everyone is ready for this moment, and the way that Donald Trump immediately went to action in this moment. Now, as you guys know, not everybody is excited. We should take note for a moment. We should take note for a moment that yesterday if you tuned away from the celebration you saw a bit of dower from the likes of CNN or MSNBC and this was what they decided was one of the big stories of the day after the inauguration Donald Trump and much of his supporting cast went to capital one arena to sign

executive orders well Elon Musk took to the stage and I want to let you hear how CNN um processed Elon Musk waving to the crowd. I just want to look at that salute that he gave again. Just if anybody missed it, we'll just show it again. He's just wrapped up here. You can hear the. All right. So we just showed that.

We just showed that. Right. It was quick. I think our viewers are smart and they can take a look at that. But it certainly was, it's not something that you typically see in American political rallies. Put it that way. No, no, it was not something that. you usually would see. And it was quick, as you point out, it was very quick, but it was in a

moment of intensity for him as he came out dancing and then he did that. He is a hero here. And I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you. My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the people. It is thanks to you that the people future of civilization is assured so that fellas everyone watching willisha that has been described as a nazi salute this is not an isolated accusation by a few anchors on cnn check this out from aOC aOC tweeted uh the following should just to be clear this is in response to the adel the defamation League. The ADL said this is a delicate moment. It's a new day, and yet so many are on edge, our politics are inflamed and social media only adds to the anxiety. It seems Elon Musk made an

awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez went back to the ADL. She explained Nazism to the ADL. She said, just to be clear, you're defending a Heil Hitler salute that was performed and repeated for emphasis and clarity. People can officially stop listening to you as any sort of reputable source of information now. You work for them. Thank you for making that crystal clear. They ran with this. It was a Nazi salute. That is being repeated everywhere by so-called Nazi experts on X, by CNN, and by MSNBC. They have not learned their lesson. They are tripling down on everything I hate is a Nazi.

So we thought we'd help them out, right, fellas? We're going to help them out today. Since we are going to make the next four years, a hunt for Nazis, let's begin the process right now. Two days, do you have some pictures of people giving the Nazi salute? Yeah. Oh. Oh, look at that.

Huh. There's Barack Obama. Interesting. There's Elizabeth Warren. They are Hillary Clinton. They are still images. They are still images, but yes. well this isn't a still image let's take a look at your would-be vice president of the united

states how about tim waltz who uh gave oh no oh no that looks like a nazi salute to me if elon musk's is a nazi salute there is a similarity by the way between tim waltz and Elon Musk and it's an awkward moment from an awkward man suggesting that my heart goes out to you the crowd but this is what they're going to do this appears to be their new tactic that they are going to suggest that anything and everything they oppose is a Nazi salute um young establishment James is joining us from Washington DC he's bumped tinfoil pat out of your ears and off of your screen uh but might as well since you're here So you snuck into some parties last night, is that right?

You snuck into the Liberty Ball? Well, I'm not going to say that, but what I can say is that confidence, a good suit, and a good screenshot can go a long way. Wow. Committing crimes, it's fine. How did you like it? Did you party at the Liberty Ball? It was awesome. It was really cool.

A lot of cool people there. A lot of Fox people. Everyone was just, there was an atmosphere of joy in the room. Yeah, that read through our televisions, that read through the streets. And I want to say this, and we're going to get into some of this in just a moment with my guest, Joey Jones. But there's a lot of attention on what I'm talking about. There's a lot of attention on the tech bros and the billionaires that were there with Donald Trump, even during the inauguration, even in the rotunda. But this was, I think, a election and a message and an election.

inaugural address and a moment for the people. This is a populist America first moment, driven home by that speech from Donald Trump. It seems to, and we will remain skeptical, and we will remain in, I'll believe it when I see it mode. It seems to, though, have swept up Mark Zuckerberg, swept up Sindar Pinchai of Google, swept up Sam Altman of Open AI. But make no mistake, I think, illustrated by the 200 executive actions, all grounded in a populist movement, meaning supported popularly in every polling, that this is a moment for the people. If those rich individuals believe that they some now have some type of extra influence, much less control over Donald Trump, I think they will be sorely disappointed by everyone

else who's believed they've ever controlled Donald Trump. The crowd, as I mentioned, did include the likes of Theo Bonn, Jake Paul, and the Nelk boys, Elon Musk. One of the big stars from yesterday, though, was Baron Trump. Everybody is talking about his aura. Looked great. That's what the kids like to say, his aura. Oh, is that what the kids say?

That's what they talk about, man. Yeah, aura. Got it. Big or a. Jeff Ross, comedian there yesterday, Marjorie Taylor Green. Just a ton of unexpected people. Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez, his wife, a ton of unexpected personalities. Joe Rogan there yesterday for the inauguration of Donald Trump.

But with the flurry of activity, with the flurry of activity yesterday that culminated in a 60-minute Q&A session, one that was live and wild, as Peter Ducey asked Donald Trump live, hey, did Joe Biden leave you a letter? Trump looked in the desk. Watch. He may have. Don't they leave it in the desk? I don't know. Oh. What's his attitude?

It could have been years before we found. Wow. Thank you. Can you read the outside? Maybe we should all read it together. Let's read it. Well, maybe I'll read it first and then make that determination. Peter, thank you very much.

I may not have seen this for months. That was wild, as he almost read it right there live to Peter Ducey and to us, the American people. It was an incredible day for him, three different speeches, a 60-minute Q&A, 200 executive actions, pomp and circumstance, Liberty and Commander-in-Chief Ball. What a display of energy, of action. What a day for America. let's dive into this deeper now in just a moment with my friend joey jones is he's going to join us to break down some of those 200 executive actions and what he thought about that first day of the restoration of america that's coming up next on the will cane show fox news audio presents unsolved with james patterson every crime tells the story but some stories are left unfinished somebody knows real cases Real people. Listen and follow now at Foxtruecrime.com.

Revoking security clearance for 51 intelligence agents who told us that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation, designating the Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, shutting down the CBP1 app, and a show of force at the border. Just some of the executive actions taken yesterday by Donald Trump. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Always available by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. That way you can listen to the Will Kane show at your leisure on your schedule. Coming up today, please set on your schedule 4 p.m.

the launch of the Will Kane show on Fox News channel. perhaps a more polished, a more refined version of this little project we've launched together. You and me at home. You and me and the boys in New York. Somehow we have been graced with the idea that we've done something worth expanding. And so today at 4 o'clock, while it will be different and it will be an evolution as it will be a growth process just like this show has been, I hope you'll come along for the ride at 4 o'clock for the Will Cain Show on Fox News Channel. monitor here in my studios in Dallas, Texas, I have a list of some of the executive actions taken by Donald Trump. It's hard to keep up. There are so many. Just as a sampling, I have up for you

here, we can take a look. Hiring freeze on all federal employees. Demand for all federal employees to return to work in person in Washington, D.C., revoking the idea of birthright citizenship, imposing a tariff on Canada and Mexico. beginning February 1st, restoring the name of Mount McKinley from Donali to Mount McKinley, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America, and more, just a flurry of activity that I think is unmatched in American history, but not one that Donald Trump was unprepared for. Between the lawyers, the staffers, they were ready to go in multiple signing sessions at Capitol One Arena and from the Resolute Desk in the White House.

But what's most important? Well, we're joined now by Joey Jones, the author of Unbroken Bonds of Battle. You catch Joey on Fox and Friends. You catch Joey on the five. Catch him on the Fox News Channel. You can check him in a poncho shirt on the Wilcane show. What's up, Joey? Hey, man, I can't see you, so I don't know how you're dressed.

And I did worry, like, you know, my biggest question right now in the world is, Will Will Kane be wearing a tie at 4 p.m. today? Like, that's kind of, that's the, you know, there's the 4 p.m. Network show. That's a tie show, right? Or how does that go? I think, I think, Joey. For the record, right now, like you,

I'm wearing a poncho button down western. Okay, okay. Man, the truth is, when it comes to 4 p.m. on FN.C., I don't know. I don't know. I think that Donald Trump is set to announce a major infrastructure project in the 4 p.m. which feels like the type of news that demands a tie, Joey. But I don't know.

From the aesthetics to how I'm going to talk about the news, it's all going to be a ride. All I can do is try to be myself and be authentic to me. Listen, you just remember if you get one minute, if you get one minute in the 4 p.m. hour that you get to talk, you take credit for all those ratings no matter what. Because people are going to be tuned in. They're going to be there to watch. They want to see President Trump and they're going to see Will Kane. Yeah, officially I'm saying my first guess is Donald.

I mean, it is, I guess my first guest is Donald Trump. No, that means I'll get to ask a question, but he will be on the Will Kane show. I feel fairly certain here today on our inaugural episode at F&C. All right, Joey, man, there's 200 of these executive actions. Donald Trump tossing pins out to the crowd at Capitol One Arena, taking a wild freewheeling Q&A for 60 minutes. He signed more at the Resolute Desk in the White House. But what stood out to you, man? What do you think is most important that as if people are, you know, on their drive or hanging out their lunch,

break today, that they process all this and say, here's what's most important, according to Joey Jones. Yeah, I would say the most important thing to happen yesterday was that one hour of literally sitting there just signing executive orders and letting the free press ask him any question they wanted while he's signing them. And some of these, like you said, like granting, I believe it would have to be a full pardon to more than a thousand people that have been either arrested or apprehended or penalized in some way from January 6th.

that is a more controversial move. He's sitting there signing this and allowing the press to ask questions about it. You know, this is supposed to be a vulnerability of his so big that he couldn't win the primary again, yet he's sitting there as the president again, signing the order to fulfill that controversial promise and letting the press ask questions about that. That would be the same as if Joe Biden pardoned all his family and let the press ask questions about it while he was doing it. And he handled it, Trump handled it seamlessly. I mean, every question he had an answer for. And you touched this in the intro to your show.

One of the things that's most unique about Trump that resonates with people but no one really ever explains or talks about is this idea that he can think through what he thinks about something while you're asking him about it. It's not some canned answer written up in a talking point that's real tight and is sure to not release a vulnerability or a misstep. It is a, he's processing this and coming to his conclusion as commander-in-chief while you're asking him the question. And we've seen that. We saw it in his first presidency and we've seen it in this run-up to the election and

post-election. And to the human being, you receive that as pure honesty. It may not always be the answer you want. It may not always be the way you want your president to arrive to an answer. But man, it comes across as absolutely. in the moment, honest, and that's something that we're absolutely starred for when it comes to our politicians. So we reward it by putting him back in the White House. That is such a great answer, and I think you're absolutely right. It's authentic,

and that authenticity reads as honest. And then you have to say, where does that come from? And it comes from a place of confidence on any host of issues, to your point, Joey, as they asked him about TikTok, right? He didn't have, I watch. that. Honestly, Joey, for me, it was hard to switch to the national championship game. It was hard to switch to Ohio State Notre Dame because this was so riveting. And it's because take, for example, TikTok, he did not have, to your point, a polished answer that gave us all the answers that we need. But he was thinking through it out loud. He's like, well, maybe we can find a deal with them. And if we don't, well, then it's worth nothing. And he was doing that, even on the issues like

you point that by any other politician will be considered a political liability like the choice to pardon 1500 January 6th prisoners but he handles it with an with an openness that has to be rooted in confidence i feel confident about my decision i will try to explain to you my decision and and i just i think your analysis is spot on it about how refreshing it is as he's as by the way others accuse him of being a habitual liar. Meanwhile, Joe Biden, the habitual liar, pardons members of his family on the way out the door and leaves all of us, you know, with questions and implications of guilt. Yeah, I mean, on the Joe Biden pardon thing, here's one thing I will say. I do not believe, like I might have a few years ago,

that if you're asking for a pardon, you're guilty of something, because we've seen the Justice Department in this country be absolutely weaponized. And so the faith isn't there. So I at least understand that there's a justification you can give. So why not come out and give it? Why lie about the Hunter Biden thing and then do this in the literal 11th hour? It just shows you that there's such a stark contrast between President Trump, President Biden. Not just on the pardons, that's a good way to kind of see it.

But look at it this way. Do you expect anyone, rather it be a cabinet nominee, Caroline, leave it, anyone to come out and say something that is contradictory to what President Trump might say just before that or right after, I don't expect that at all. So you've got a President and President Trump that's figuring things out as you're asking him the question. But you've got faith in his team because you've seen it happen before. They're going to be lock and step. They're not going to come out and contradict each other. On the other side, you've had Joe Biden for four years that all intents and purposes has been a committee rule where everything was focused grouped and voted on and

figured out and decided and party line narrative, yet they couldn't keep their stories straight. I mean, you had the press secretary, John Kirby, both coming out and contradicting President Biden at different moments over things like weather balloons and minor incursions and things that cause wars. And yet you have a president now who has this authenticity, as you put it, honesty, whatever you want to call it, who is processing and weighing decisions in front of the press. But his team understands exactly what his priority. are exactly what he's trying to accomplish and they know that about him so they're not going to get in front of him and they're not going to stay they're not going to fall behind him they're

going to be lock and step with him that's leadership and that's what we've needed for so long listen i'm not telling you that everything Donald trump represents and says and does i believe in or represents me but you know what some of my best leaders i didn't even like i didn't even like to be around them but i knew why they would make their decisions how would they would make their decisions and I never had to worry about them flip-plopping for some stupid reason or taking me in a different direction. They were predictable and I could rely on that. And I think with President Trump, it's not that every decision is predictable, but his priorities are predictable, how he picks his team, we understand, and which direction he's going to go. We know that very well. Because

he's, he said it for years. And then yesterday, he's just boom, boom, boom, backing up all those promises. Controversial. Promise the January 6th prisoners. the border, cracking down on DEI, things that sound like stump speech promises that you don't expect to always be fulfilled, right there, day one, let's get it done. And I think people appreciate that. Because, as you pointed out, it is truly leadership. I hear you on Joe Biden's pardons that you could look at the precedent really set over the last four years of the Justice Department being weaponized against political opponents. Of course, though that's the standard set under Joe Biden. So then he would be fearful of that standard being applied to him and his family.

But I can't help but hold him accountable on two fronts. One hypocrisy into the quote unquote breaking of norms. Joe Biden came into the office on the promise of a return to normalcy. And yet here we are with him breaking all of those American norms. And you would just have to look back at one of the recipients of this pardon, Adam Schiff, and what he told Joy Reid a few years ago about the idea of a preemptive blanket pardon. Watch Adam Schiff. Have you ever heard of somebody getting a preemptive pardon who was innocent of all crime? Who's just an innocent person? Have you ever heard of that, just somebody getting a blanket pardoned and they're an innocent person? But no, you know, I think that it's an effort not only to prospectively pardon

people for things they have not yet been charged with and may never be charged with, but also it's the president's own family. It's people that have been covering up for the president in addition to his own family. This is the nature of those the president has surrounded himself with, including his family, and that is, it's been essentially a dent of these environment. And so I think the president used this as his way of trying to protect those. that have protected him. So that, Joey, is four years ago, as they are speculating on whether or not Donald Trump would issue prospective pardons to his family members, something he did not do.

Donald Trump did not pardon for whatever accused crimes, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, Jr. But then fast forward four years later, and not only did Joe Biden pardon, Adam Schiff, Dr. Anthony Fauci, members of the January, 6th committee, but his own family members like his brother Jim Biden as well. And so to me, okay, hypocrisy. That gets a tiresome thing to point out, but obvious here. And the second, though, is that thing about return to norms. It's such a breaking of the norms. And to me, Joey, then therefore it's symbolic of everything that was promised under Democrats over the last four years. They projected their own sins onto others and then committed those sins.

This is one thing that's absolutely true about Democrats. And it gives them the upper hand when we do things like budget fights and how we'll fund the government. They will absolutely sacrifice principles to get the victory. They will never, ever, ever sacrifice a win to principle and to take a stand like a Thomas Massey would on the right and several others. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul had done it over the years. But when Biden sits there and he pardons his family and these folks, he loses all credibility. in a way that is so obvious that he has no choice but to admit it. And what I mean by that is he sat here and said, I don't, the justice system is, you know, it's, it's a pillar of its own.

We don't touch that. It's impervious. It can't be shook. We're not going after Trump for any political reasons. He committed these crimes and that's why he's being prosecuted. Well, if you're pardoning people preemptively, you're admitting that you believe the justice system either has or can be manipulated. So it's one or the other. It can't be both. And when you look at Adam Schiff, this is what I'll tell you. If you told me you're running for Congress tomorrow, I'll tell you, okay, one thing I can tell you for sure is that you will absolutely eat your words if you stay up there long enough. It's true for every politician up there on the left or the right. But most of them, it's something like in 2003, they made the argument to go to war in Iraq

based on the information at hand. And in 2021, maybe on the right, maybe both, they're making an argument that that war we shouldn't have done. Well, that's an intellectual argument that's changed over 20 years with a lot of evidence to back it up. So you're eating your words, but it's also a different time and a different place. When you look at Adam Schiff, just four years ago with all of this indignation about what a pardon should be and how it should be used, and now he's accepting one himself, there isn't anywhere to go hide on that. There isn't cover for that. You just literally have shown that you were spouting off mean words against your enemy four years ago and you're excusing something that looks real shady today. And that's all you are and all you're doing. I mean,

Pam Bondi probably delivered it to Adam Schiff better than anyone has in her confirmation hearing. But the truth is, he's an extra level. He's right there with Joe Biden when it comes to hypocrisy and being blatant about it and unashamed. I mean, you watch those hearings. Tim Cain sat there looking like a dishevelled hobo drilling Pete Heggseth about extremely personal matters that we know the majority of people on that dais couldn't answer. to themselves. I mean, the level of, just the lack of self-awareness or even dignity that you have to have to pander at that level, at the level that most of those Democrats did, I would be ashamed. I wouldn't want to breathe the same air as them in that hearing room. It is that

dishonest. And it's that easily seen through. And absolutely, Republicans have done it too. It's not even partisan. It's just, if that's what our elected representatives are, they're absolutely useless. I mean, we watched those hearings. It was absolutely useless. Well, speaking of breathing the same air, we have to ask you about this. Lauren Sanchez, the wife of Jeff Bezos, had an outfit on yesterday, Joey, that really got everyone's attention. I think we have a photo of this.

She wore, at the Capitol Rotunda, she wore like a leisure suit. uh a sport coat jacket low cut like all of them are like like the one i will wear later today will be buttoned around you know just above mid stomach leaving your chest somewhat exposed where she had on just a bra and you said you don't want to breathe the same air as a lot of these politicians joey uh mark zuckerberg was happy to be sitting next to apparently apparently lauren sanchez you can take a look at this video if you're watching on youtube or facebook uh Play that again because it's quick, but he sneaks himself a little peek down at his, at the person sitting to his left, which was Sanchez. He didn't look at her in the eye.

Let's put it that way. Everybody's really not very happy, by the way, about what she wore, Joey. Yeah, I think this is one of those weird moments where any other situation in Mark Zuckerberg's the bad guy, right? Like, how dare you be Googling her? But then you zoom out, and you're like, well, it might not have been from a sexual attraction. It might have been from a shock and awe. Like, wow, that's what you're doing. It's hard sometimes.

Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing right now? And, you know, he's about half robot, so he's processing it at the same time. Like, I don't know why he was looking at the obvious. We all look to say, like, is that what I think that is? Is that a bra? But listen, there's something that we talk about here in the South. It actually is kind of all over, and it's called F-U money. And, you know, there's money where you're retired.

There's money where your bills are paid off. And then there's money to where you do whatever you want to. And if somebody has a problem with it, you just say, well, you know, F-U. And so right there you've got two people with F-U money who decided to do what they wanted to do. And I don't know what the repercussion could be other than to make headlines and get into the tabloids and get more publicity. I mean, it's kind of an easy bet on her part. Like, you know, and yeah, Trump's surrounded by billionaires. It's billionaires that hated him not that long ago, billionaires who put tens or hundreds

of millions of dollars against him, and he won anyway. But I'm not worried about them influencing him. If Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk had this heavy influence over Donald Trump, TikTok would be banned forever. That wouldn't even be a conversation. I mean, it's not in their financial interest for TikTok to be in the United States. So, you know, I'm not too worried about it. I think Trump sees it as the power play on culture that it is more so than he needs these people to guide him in his decision making.

And until he starts making decisions that puzzle me and benefit them, that's where I am with it. I agree with you. I think he likes the look of it. I think he likes the look of having won over these highly successful individuals there to, in a way, pay fealty and another way celebrate his victory. I don't know that it means that all of a sudden his policy is going to be dictated by oligarchs. By the way, so Elon Musk giving a Hitler salute, the American government run by oligarchs, and pardoning January 6th prisoners are the way this inauguration is being treated in the mainstream media. And there is, I think there's a balancing act, and it's one that I'll have to walk. I think Donald Trump walked it perfectly, by the way, Joey, in his inauguration address,

of looking forward to a bright tomorrow, a bold tomorrow, while demanding some accountability and rectifying the sins of the past. And he did that in the room with Barack Obama and Joe Biden sitting right there. Kamala Harris sitting right there in the rotunda. So, you know, I think that we have to do the same. We can't just move forward brightly into the future. We have to look to Dr. Anthony Fauci and still demand accountability despite a pardon. We have to look to the 51 intel agents who told us that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation

and demand accountability. And we have to look back to the January 6th prisoners, many of whom. And there's 1,500, Joey, who were in prison for four years. And look at what they were charged with and compare that to another crime of the same nature that someone would have received a sentence and ask, was that justice? And Donald Trump here today said it was not justice. It's not a complete, that person did nothing wrong. But those charges and those punishments far exceeded. the concept of justice. And that's what we still have to look back on. Like, we can't just move

forward. And I think that's what this is with January 6th prisoners. No, he said it. He said, I've seen murderers get a year, two years, no time at all. And you're worried about these people that walked within the ropes. Not saying everybody did, but there are people like the lectern guy who committed, what do we call it, nonviolent crimes and was put in jail for years. And what did Joe Biden knew, he pardoned half of D.C. and his family for any nonviolent crimes committed against the United States of America. So why is it okay for your friends and family to be off the hook, but it's not okay for people that have already served time to be released when they're both politically motivated prosecutions in their argument. Joe Biden would say that prosecutions

against those people would be politically motivated. I would say that just like you did, it would be accountability. I have no problem with people that stormed the Capitol on January 6th and broke doors and cracked, busted windows, destroyed property that my tax dollars paid for. I have no problem with those people being held accountable. But do I think being held accountable should mean destroying their lives? Absolutely not. The same way that I don't think when I go out and I get a speeding ticket, being held accountable should mean I never get to drive again or that I lose my truck.

Right. There's a level of accountability that makes sense. And President Trump is the, what, he's the first step act guy. He's the man of second chances. He's on his 13th chance right now. He understands that. So it's very consistent with who he is and how he's treated all demographics of people as president.

The only people he doesn't give a second chance to are those that came in our country illegally and continued to commit crimes, and I don't think they deserve the first chance, much less the second. But I think it's very consistent with who he is. And he sat there last night and he answered a question that way. And back on the Lauren Sanchez thing, I don't think Donald Trump had a problem with how she was addressed. I think if they'd ask him last night, he probably would have told you because he was in a good

move. I think that would have been a great question to ask him. And what a wild time when we have a president would be willing to answer that question had it been asked. You know, we just came off of four years of a tightly controlled exposure to a president. And now theoretically, if Peter Ducey had wanted to, he could have asked Donald Trump about Lauren Sanchez's outfit in the rotunda. All right, man. Trump sits there. We have the end. Go ahead. No, it's just, you know, he said there and he said he found out about the pardons and he goes, well, can I go back out there and talk some more? Because I got something to say about that. Like, that was a pure honest, you know that was his reaction. Like, I'm going back out. That's just who he is.

Three speeches, a 60-minute Q&A, I don't know how many different ceremonies that are required of the president on inauguration day, but he's at more of them today, all while signing executive orders, executive actions to put this new government into motion. Joey is an SEC guy, Georgia Bulldog. Yeah. I'm a Texas Longhorn, and you're going to need us because I think we're going to be carrying the SEC into the future. I think you're going to need us because otherwise you're going to get what you got this year, Joey,

Big Ten playing Midwest football for the championship. I think everybody was a Notre Dame fan last night, And usually it's the other way around. But I think everybody saw Notre Dame as a Cinderella. And I guess that's why, because Ohio State just imposed their will. They're the team to beat now. They're the new Kings of College football. I think Texas, Georgia has just a good chance to come back next year,

but it's not going to be as easy as it was the last five years, that's for sure. All right, Joey Jones, unbroken bonds of battle here on the Will Cain show. I expect and hope to be seeing him at 4 p.m. as well. the Fox News Channel after the launch of the Wilcane Show. All right, Joey. Thank you so much, man. Thanks, brother. Okay.

All right, let's break down in last night's national championship game. It was Ohio State over Notre Dame. Let's break it down with Ricky Cobb from Outkick. Next on the Will Cain Show. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Trey Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together

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I don't know because we're working on our current guest, the founder of Super 70s sports and the Ricky Cobb show at Outkick. I don't know if my producer, Two of Days Dan, can hop on air because he's in charge of bringing guests on, but he is the one saddest about the events. last night. How are we feeling, Dan? Not feeling great. It's okay. It was a tough night. Game started off not great.

I mean, when you have your quarterback throwing up on the sidelines after your first touchdown. Didn't you feel good after that first drive? I believe it was the longest drive in the history of the national championship game, that first 80-something-yard drive from Notre Dame and Riley Leonard. The end of which was, I was like, Riley Leonard is a stud. I think he had eight quarterback rushes on that drive.

And he takes and delivers a hit over and over. That's the problem. Didn't you feel good, though, after that first drive? We're like, okay, we might have something here. No, see, that's what they need is. The thing they did in the Penn State game, they brought that out later. They tried to throw the ball in the first half with Riley Leonard and Penn State, and that worked, and then they ran the ball with him.

Starting out like that, I get what he's doing, but it just wore him down. and by the second time they had the ball, he was worn out and he was done. And he had no legs. It did feel like they pulled out all their tricks, like all their curve balls on that first drive. It's like, I get what you're saying. It felt like you can't do this all game long.

Riley Leonard won't hold up doing this all game long. So I get how you might have felt. And then it was just overwhelming talent, to be honest. Notre Dame is talented. Notre Dame is good. It's a different level with Ohio State. and you just had you just faced overwhelming talent um so it was not my favorite thing to watch you know Midwestern football in the national championship game all Midwest Ohio State

Notre Dame um I like a little more regional representation if we're going to crown a national champion but I'll I mean I have to acknowledge they walked through the rest of the country they walked through Georgia, they walked through Texas, everyone else fell by the wayside. It's true. I mean, I'm just glad that we got there. I got to take it. I was a little upset. As you can see, my text messages last night. I was trying not to bother you guys with my sadness, but it's all right. I did have to fire up one text to you that I think Texas would have won the national championship. If we had survived first in goal against Ohio State and gone on to win that game, I do think Texas would have walked.

over Notre Dame. I believe we might have our next guest. Just give me one second. He is, okay, you've got to work on it. I'm making you multitask. We've got a fancy new setup here in Dallas, Texas. I think it's fancy. We have a new setup here in Dallas, Texas,

with all kinds of technology running around. I'm going to end up with cancer from so many different things that are broadcasting in this space that I have here. But with fancy new technology, some getting used to as we bring in Ricky Cobb of Outkick. So we're working on that as we speak. I want to point out two notes from last night's national championship game

that I think are remarkable and worth commentary. Half time. ESPN aired something like, I would say, a 90-second to two-minute video from President Donald Trump. He took some time yesterday to record a video addressing the nation and the two teams Ohio State and Notre Dame. it did leave some people going, why are you hearing from Donald Trump during a college football game? Well, it's because it was a major event yesterday, the inauguration of Donald Trump.

And it's worthy end of note. And you do hear from presidents during national championship games during the Super Bowl. So for those that thought we were entering another four years where Donald Trump is on the verboten list and everything about him is taboo, I think you were introduced to. It's a new America. Second, after the game, it doesn't surprise me about these two individuals. It's just notable, again, to hear on mainstream airways was Scott Van Pelt and Reese Davis on ESPN talking about the faith of these two teams, in particular Ohio State.

They did say faith in God and faith in one another was represented well by both Notre Dame and Ohio State. Riley Leonard, an incredibly devout believer. but apparently Ohio State talked about their belief in God being a foundational element to what brought them together as a team. They apparently baptized players throughout the season, those who were non-believers that became converts. They did that throughout the season, and they talked about that that sort of faith in giving it up to God made it easier for there to have faith in one another. And in a time when college football is undoubtedly devolving into a sense of selfishness,

NIL, getting paid, and they didn't begrudge the guys, SVP and Restive, they didn't begrudge the guys taking advantage of their market capabilities. It can create sort of this like mercenary free agent thing in college football. But faith playing a role in bringing all of those guys together in doing something selfless, which is required in winning a national championship game. You have to bring everyone together under a common purpose, under a common goal. And it's not just maximizing out your NIL. I thought those two things, Donald Trump's halftime speech, and then that commentary and that revelation about Ohio State were remarkable, were notable coming out of the national

championship game. Ohio State is just overwhelmingly talented, and that's the way it is. And you have levels of this that Georgia and Texas and Ohio State exist upon and a few other programs. And honestly, Notre Dame is not quite there just yet. And you're going to run into that talent gap at some point. You're just going to run into that talent difference. When you've got possibly three first-round picks playing wide receiver for Ohio State, most certainly two in Emeka, Abuka, and Jeremiah Smith, later perhaps as well, carnell tate it's just not to mention two NFL running backs offensive line defensive line

it's just a talent that's hard for many other programs to keep up with so joining us now is ricky cobb of the rickie cobb of the rickie cobb of super 70 sports what's up rick hey my man just uh you know fighting zoom over here but a pleasure to be with you as always I'm glad to get you on the show. What was your big takeaway last night from the national championship game? Well, you know, I think it went as expected. I thought that Ohio State would win. Notre Dame, look, they were spirited.

They fought. I don't think it was Marcus Freeman's best night on the big stage. I think he got out-coached by Ryan Day. So am I surprised with the outcome? No, Notre Dame, a lot of football. fight, but I think Marcus Freeman wasn't ready for prime time last night. What do you, so a lot of people talk about, look, Chip Kelly, Ohio State's offensive coordinator, had a whole bag of tricks and give them problems.

And for example, managed to get Jeremiah Smith in one-on-one coverage several times, including a touchdown and that late game ceiling pass 57 yards that basically won the game for Ohio State. So that was something, by the way, for example, Texas was capable of avoiding their coverage with Jeremiah Smith, but it doesn't stop it because Ohio State has so many weapons. So where did you see the failure of Marcus Freeman? Strategically, you're down 28-7, third quarter, and that was a very poorly executed fake pun attempt. I think that was telegraphed. Probably everybody and their mother saw that fake punk coming and then the decision to kick the field goal in the fourth quarter you know you're down

16 points it's a two possession game it's going to be hard to get the ball back from ohio state and to keep them from driving down the field you got to maximize that opportunity will they have to score a touchdown there i understand freeman saying after the game well i didn't like our chances of getting nine yards or whatever it was but i mean look you've played an entire season it's it's to the wall there, and you have to get a touchdown on that possession to have any chance of winning. Instead, he opts to attempt a field goal that still left it not only a two possession game, but a two touchdown game at that point. The field goal was useless, in my opinion, and it blunted the momentum that they had, and I think he robbed them of the opportunity

that they had, the small opportunity that they had to make a great comeback. You know, Ricky, it's kind of fascinating. So it's like we can separate the season into regular season and then the playoffs. The regular season had us talking about correctly that there's been some parody in college football. The transfer portal in NIL allowed high-quality players to transfer, like, for example, out of Alabama or out of one of these other premier programs and get starting jobs at places like SMU or Vanderbilt. and lift up what was a middle tier into a more competitive environment. And I think that's true. I think that's great for college football.

But once we got to the playoffs, what we generally saw, Ricky, was the more talented team won. And last night, Ohio State was the more talented team than Notre Dame. I mean, more five stars, more potential NFL players. And that's not to say Notre Dame is not talented. They are. And you could argue, well, Notre Dame was more talented to Penn State and so forth. their other victories. But that's my point. You kind of look at it every step of the way.

Texas beat Clemson. Texas more talented than Clemson. Texas loses to Ohio State. Texas probably less talented than Ohio State. And so forth. And we kind of end up at the place where the team, who has the most five stars and the most NFL players, generally wins the national championship. Absolutely. I mean, that's the story of college football. Things change. We're living in a old new era now with NIL and college football is in a transitionary period now and it's in an awkward phase. We're still trying to figure out what the world of professional college football, if you will, looks like. I had Michael Lombardi on my program yesterday. He's the GM of the North Carolina football program. And I said to Mike, you know, what does a GM do at a college football

program? Because I'm trying to figure that out. He said, we look at ourselves as the 33rd franchise. And Bill Belichick has talked about trying to create a portal to the NFL. So we're going through a weird time in college football, but one thing that's going to hold true, whether it's 1950 or 1985 or right now, is the teams with the best players are the most dangerous teams. And yeah, coaching can mitigate some of that if you have a great coach. And Marcus Freeman, despite my criticisms of some decisions he made in the state, second half last night, you know, he's certainly a fine coach. But Notre Dame was outmaned and they did the best they could with what they had. But at the end of the day, Ohio State had

the horses will and the team that had the most talent won the traditional championship. What does a GM do in college football? Is he, is he, obviously he's managing the depth chart and identifying what positions need to be shorn up through the transfer portal versus high school. He's managing scholarships. He is probably, I guess, in whatever word we want to use and how this is legal to do so, recruiting other players through the transfer portal, talking to agents and recruiting his own roster. Some of this job overlaps with the head coach. But is the GM also managing NIL? And by the way, Dion Sanders has a great video about this. NIL suggests that players are making money off their name, image, and likeness, like media

and marketing deals. And that's not really the case. I mean, it's growing, but we're really talking about it's collectives. Each one of these colleges has collectives that either billionaires or sometimes just fans give money to and then they pay that money out to players. It's just straight paying players to come. Like who's managing the money on these collectives? Is that a guy like Mike Lombardi?

You know, I didn't discuss that with Mike. And I don't know. Are there any other teams that have said that they have a general manager yet? I think that all of this is sort of crystallizing before our eyes will, and we're going to learn what it means as we go forward. But there's no such thing as the amateur football. I mean, college football is professional football now. It's different.

We're figuring out what that looks like, but there's no such thing as amateur football above the high school level in this era. These guys are, they're professional athletes, they're hired guns. at Will Howard, Ohio State. I mean, how long at Will Howard been in Columbus? Six months, something like that. I mean, he's coming in. He's getting paid. He performed. He brought home a national championship. And that's it. The era of you're there for your education and your scholarship and you're seeing guys play four years. Yeah, you'll still see guys who play four years at the same school. But this is an entirely different world in which we live in now

will. And I'm still wrapping my mind around it. But I think there's going to have to be a lot of changes contemplated going forward. Does college football need a commissioner? People have talked about Nick Saban. Would Nick Saban be a good commissioner? He certainly has a lot of pointed opinions, but somebody's going to have to get in charge this and figure out what this is going to look like because we've got a professional model now in college football. And I'm not sure that common sense and reason has caught up to that in every respect yet. And I want to figure out who's running this for these teams. I think it is guys like Lombardi.

But if you have an existing player who wants to get paid after his freshman season because he played really well and another program's offering to pay him, you have to ask yourself, can we afford to pay him? And if we do pay him, what standard is that set for the other players on our roster? And then therefore, what's our budget? There's no salary cap. What's our budget to start paying our existing players, much less recruiting players from outside your program?

It's a mess, and it's hard. It's going to take a genius to jump in there and try to sort this out. All right, Ricky, finally, let's do this, because college football is all about hope. That's all it is. It's hope. We package and we sell rah-rah, community, and hope. And, like, I already read recruiting, because that's how I roll. I'm already reading recruiting for Texas.

So next year, who do you have, Ricky, as the favorite to win the national championship in 2026. Look, as it stands right now, Ohio State, at this point, you know, there's so much parity. Who will you look at the shit? So much parity. Well, they're going to have to go into their pockets for that. They'll find somebody.

Everybody's on a series of one-year deals, well, yeah, imagine basically baseball where every player is on a one-year deal. and you just say, hey, you know, we could use Aaron Judge next year. Let's throw some money at him and bring him in. I'm certain of one thing, you've got a lot of people with a lot of money at the Ohio State University who I'm sure are bound and determined to cover the quarterback position very well going forward. But there's so much parity will. Ohio State this year, they were the most talented team.

But at college football right now, you know, I don't. see a super team on the horizon. And I'll ride with the champions if you're going to make me give you a prediction. All right. Well, most preseason polling, which I've already read, has one of two teams at number one, and if not they're at number two. So your top two teams heading into next year are Ohio State and Texas, followed there by Oregon, Georgia, Notre Dame. That's generally your top five for the 2025-2020s season. You'll get more of this broken down in-depth at the Ricky Cobb show at Outkick.com. I appreciate you jumping on today on the Will Cain Show.

Thanks, Ricky. Hey, thank you, Will. Always a pleasure talking with you. All right. Okay. By the way, we've got NFL playoffs coming up a little bit later this week. We're going to break that down on the Cane on sports episode of the Will Cain show on Friday. We'll have to talk about whether or not Josh Allen and the Buffalo.

low bills can beat Patrick Mahomes and the NFL refs because that is a problem. I think we all have to agree. That's a problem. Plus, we'll be back every day this week. We'll break down the first episode of The Will Kane Show at 4 p.m. on the Fox News channel. You know what we'll do. We'll go through my highlights and my lowlights. We'll figure out what's working together right here at noon every day this week on the Will Kane Show.

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