Will Cain Country - Jonathan Turley: Justin Trudeau Resigns, Trump's Victory Confirmed, & Chaos On X

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

Story #1: Will is back! He explains how the H-1B visa controversy, the New Orleans terrorist attack, and the British trafficking story all tie together into a larger conversation about societal integration, with The Crew. Story #2: Will sits down with FOX News Legal Analyst and George Washington Law Professor, Jonathan Turley, for a conversation on Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's resignation and the potential impact of the upcoming sentencing of President-elect Donald Trump in the New York "hush money" case.  Story #3: Will and The Crew discuss a wild last two weeks in sports and preview the College Football Playoff Semifinals, featuring Will's Texas Longhorns making a deep run.  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

one happy january sixth we're back live here on the will cane show a day where we certify donald trump as the next president of the united states but it will be a pieric victory a shallow victory if it's only a partisan moment in time we have to look at the stories even the stories that occurred while we were on Christmas break to see that we have to have a cultural victory to save the West. Two, Jonathan Turley on whether or not Donald Trump will be sentenced this week. It's doubtful he'll go to jail. But in the New York hush money case, will sitting president be a convicted felon? And three, sports. It happened. Everything's working right here for us on the Will Cain Show. It's all about the Texas Longhorns.

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Happy January 6th. Happy January 6th, fellas. It's a national holiday. I think that's become clear. You know, it's one that will have to live on. in our memory, like FDR once they had a day which will live in infamy. They're already talking about it. I saw Sunny Houston on the view.

I saw this late before we came on the show today. I would have sent you this clip to play saying many people like Condoleezza Rice have tried to move on, but this is a day that she will not forget. It was an atrocity. She then went on to compare it to the Holocaust and World War II. Oh, good. In the same vein, an atrocity. Yeah.

Real genius. I think if, you know, by the end of this year, we should do an award show of, you know, most ridiculous takes. I think right off the bat, here we are, 2025, week one leader in the clubhouse, Sonny Hostin. Didn't take long. I think she's going to be a regular. Yeah. I'll be ready to pull all those clips. If we were taking pre-season bets on 12 months from now, you here watching at home on the Willisha, if you are here with this, as I know you will be, and many of your friends,

come next December. If we were taking bets on who will win, whatever we want to call it. You know, Charlemagne the God calls it donkey of the day. Clown of the week. We call it.

Clown of the day? It's going to be a yearly award. We could do it by the week and then tally it up. This is something we're thinking about this life as we speak. One, two, three, and points. I think we do muchly.

First, second, third for every week, and you get a certain amount of points by that. And then we'll keep a running talent. I should love this idea. I think I want to do this. A point system on a weekly top three rating of dumbest pundit of the week. But right now, we'll sort out the details. But right now, preseason wagering, where would you place your money?

Like, I think Sonny Hosten has to have the best odds to win that. I mean, it has to be one of them on the view because that's just where the magic happens. Whoopi? Whoopi? Maybe now that Trump is back in all. office, Brian Stelter and Daniel Dale will come out with their fact checks. Harry Sisson on Twitter is always egregiously bad, and he's getting paid by the Democrats, so he can't stop himself when he knows he's wrong. He's like, I'm still going to do it because

I'm getting a paycheck. Wow. The problem is if you, but MSNBC has a whole day of programming. Yes. Correct. Yeah. So you have to have on your leaderboard Chat is saying Joy Reid, MSNBC. Yeah. But if you place your bet on Sunny Hostner, Joy Reid, I think you do have to factor this in. There could be changes in this year that do not include them as part of a full 12-month picture. Are there going to be changes at MSNBC? The view season runs through like April and then they make changes, you know?

I think there is a reckoning in the media this year. I don't think they're going to – I am doubtful that Comcast and did – Disney are ready to sign up for another four years of resistance insanity to Donald Trump. And so I think it's very possible they make changes in the first 12 months to a lot of programming. That's my suspicion. I could be wrong. They could just say, hey, it worked in 2017. Their ratings went up, so maybe they could say, let's do it again.

But we saw that insanity metastasize into a full-on national cancer. And I just don't know if they can look back and be proud at what they did over the last decade and say, let's keep it going. Let's roll the dice. Let's stick with Joy Reed and Sonny Austin. I agree. So we were gone for two weeks, and there was a lot of stories that I want to cover here today. I want to get to. As we speak live right now, just about an hour ago, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced his.

resignation as prime minister of Canada. That plus the certification of Donald Trump as the next president of United States is the news of the day. Those votes are scheduled to take place at 1 p.m. Eastern time today. It'll be interesting to watch that and see how many Democrats vote to certify Donald Trump. They will certainly peacock and be proud that they're distinguishing themselves from 2020, but I'll be interested to see if any others remain, as we just talked about with some media pundits, a part of the resistance.

So that'll be something to watch here as the show goes along. We're going to talk about Justin Trudeau a little bit later with Professor Jonathan Turley of George Washington University. But we got to catch up, you know, you, me, us. So two weeks, I feel like a lifetime passed since we were all together again. I mean, I really do. Like so much happened. I had a very active sports life, guys.

I was in Florida for a year. youth soccer tournament. Fun. Made it to a Mavs game on Christmas Day. Hang out with your buddy. Longhorns. Who's my buddy? Heckstaff?

Who's my buddy? Mr. Cuban? I didn't get to... I actually saw Cuban. I did. I saw a Cuban in the hallway. Nice. And I stopped him, and I said Mark,

hey, Will Kane. And I think he recognized me. I think there was a glimmer of recognition, but I said, you know, we need to have our debate out in person, not just on email. And he's like, I'm around. Is he, though? Is he around?

You know, when you're passing each other in a hallway, you know, his body language did not completely turn from the direction he was going to give me. I mean, it was a slight pause as he kept going, you know. He knows a lot of people want to stop and talk to him, so he's on his guard constantly, I'm Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not judging him on that at all. Longhorn's playoff game against Clemson. I'm forgetting, there's some other sports things happened. Notre Dame. But the big news for me and my family was our Christmas present.

No, it wasn't Notre Dame beating Georgia. But we're going to break down all of that on the third session for the game show. Yeah, I don't want to play Georgia third time. We've got to get past a high. Ohio State. That's coming up. That's going to get coming up a little later here on the Wilcane show. We got a new dog. I told you guys I was very hesitant and resistant to this idea. I didn't want to be a multi-family, a multi-dog family. I think two dog families are pure chaos. But on December 23rd, we added Saint to our family. If you're watching on YouTube or Facebook, Saint is the black Doberman with a green Christmas scarf on. Now, we are

He had violet. Violet is a six to seven-year-old female Doberman. She's fawn-colored, which is, like, gray. A lot of people think she's a wine-mariner because she doesn't have her ears done, and she's gray. And it's harder to see her Doberman markings, you know, the little tan parts. But she's great. We've had Violet for four years. You know, I used to tell stories about Violet how she would terrorize the neighborhood and chase squirrels.

And she really settled in, though. She really settled in. She's chill. so much so that this has been a real problem. Okay, so we decided we were going to get a Doberman, a second Doberman, and we love them. I think it's the best breed. That's my personal opinion.

I'm a big Doberman guy, loyal, smart. I like smart dogs because I want them to be able to be trained, do what you say. And I wanted a black and tan one. I used to have one. When I was in college, I got one, and he was my running buddy for 12 years. And so I wanted a black and tan one,

and I wanted his ears done, and I wanted a mail. I wanted all these things. So we shopped it, right? Like everywhere. And I don't buy new dogs. I just never have. In my life, I've never spent, you know, thousands of dollars for your purebred dog.

I just never have. And I'm not saying you're wrong if you do. I just, I've never seen the necessity to do it. And maybe I've just gotten lucky. You guys know the story. We stole Violet. And I adopted Leon, my first Doberman, from the Humane Society.

So we start shopping Craigslist and things like that. And I should tell you, like, I also wanted, there's two kinds of Dobermans, American and European. And I wanted American because America. Not really. I really like, I just like Americans. But this is counterintuitive. European are super stocky, bigger head. They will weigh up to 100, 110 pounds.

American are like 75, 80 pounds. sleeker more streamlined more elegant um we saw pictures of saint on craigslist he's about a year old i was like this dude's great looking he's great looking and we went and met the family got his story in a park i walked up he's like i'm like he's phenomenal looking um and we bought him we bought him and brought him home. I think we're his third home in a year. So how's it going? But I don't all judge that either. I don't judge that because people don't know what they're doing when they get dogs a lot. It's more about the people than the dog. It's a reflection. So he comes home and my first night, December 23rd, I slept three hours and it was horrific. And he cried, he whined, he paced,

He did everything. But I will tell you, every day he got a little better. Every day you started to see the real dog, his real personality. He's super smart. He's the sweetest guy. He'll come sound. I can't tell yet if he's going to protect the house. I think he's going to protect the house in a way that's super scary.

Longest sort of it is, he's going to be great. He's got one real problem, and it's a big one. He's half dober. Superman, half hound dog, like, all he wants is to mate with Violet all day, every day. I mean, when they're separated, he listens to me, he understands things. When they're together, I can yell at him, and he'll like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, right. And he'll back off, but I swear to you no more than 10 seconds before he comes sniffing around again and trying to mount her. And she's so done with it, man.

She's like, what have you done to me? What have you done to this house? You've ruined this entire vibe. She's depressed, and it's a bummer. It's a bummer, and so it's going to be a bummer what happens to St. Because of this, you know, like, he's going to stay in the house. He's going to stay with the family, but he's going to lose, he's going to lose some jewels out of this, you know? Yikes.

Sorry, buddy. Got to do it. Yeah. He has been the talk of our Christmas, which has been incredibly busy. Now, by the way, on that note, it's going to be a busy two weeks here, busy month. So I got so much more I want to talk to you about things that happened over the last two weeks. I'm going to remember them as we go. But it's going to be hard because we're going to be drinking from a fire hose because I've got more to talk to you in the news and about us and the show in the coming days and weeks.

And so, you know, if you've been a part of the Wilicia for a long time, we love you, we appreciate it. And I think that it's all good. It's all going to be great. And I want you to hang out and be a part of us. Let me, we got Professor Jonathan Turley coming up here on the show in just a minute. And, but I want to hit some of the biggest stories here. So, guys, Patrick, over the two weeks we were away, it seems to me, obviously the biggest story was New Orleans and Las Vegas, the terror attacks. the bombings. The news cycle has now started to focus on the UK, though, right? Like, and these grooming

gangs and what is it, largely Pakistani men who have been raping young women in the UK, and it's been covered up by the press and the police and the government and everybody in UK. Do I have that story right about what's happening in the UK? Exactly. That's exactly right. And it's been going on for over a decade. And when people would fight back, like fathers trying to defend their daughters, they be the ones who were arrested. So it's a really big story, and Elon Musk blew it wide open on X. Here's my question.

A lot of these, and I read a lot of the articles last night, I got home super late from a soccer tournament. I got home at 2 a.m. Rough night, flight delays. But I spent that time reading in on this story a lot. It's horrific, by the way, guys. It's horrific what's happening to these young girls.

Like, I can't say it on here, because it is not even out of a hustler penthouse type story it's like i mean it's little girls gagged with rubber balls it's it's multiple gang dudes and i can't go on from here what i want to because i want you to fully understand how awful it is it's s and m it's horrible um but one thing i'm curious about is a lot of these stories and the in the the level of investigation that's happened in the UK seem like he comes back to 2011, 2014, years like this. Why is it set off in 2024? Why is Elon Musk set off on this story right now? And I know it's been covered up and hasn't been covered much. There's been some press reporting. I saw Pierce Morgan showing some stories that had come out with them in the

past, whatever newspaper he worked for, Daily Mail maybe, I don't know. But why now? Why is it blown up now? There was an expose, I believe, by the Daily Mail. Um, if I recall that correctly, that discussed it. And that's what Elon kind of pushed and blew it up. Other people have been talking about it for a long time. Dr. Saad, Katie, I'm not super big into British politics. I can't remember her name. Katie Hopkins, I believe, and Tommy Robinson and quite a few others have been really trying

to shine a light on it and have been getting shut down for over a decade. So I don't know why people are finally taking an interest. in it but it's been happening for for a long time so there's two levels to the story there is what's happening and then there's the cover up and then what brings the two stories together is the reason for the cover up and that's what i'm most interested in for today we're going to have dr gad sod on this show tomorrow he's been invested in this story he'll break down some of it but here's the story the cover up and the reason for the cover up and i want to tie it in a few other things, including

probably the biggest story here in America over the last two weeks. And that's the terror attack in New Orleans. Right? So the terror attack in New Orleans, we know, right now

they're telling us it was a lone wolf incident. A guy who had an ISIS flag in his truck mows down people in New Orleans on New Year's Eve. I also had bombs

in his car that didn't go off. And then, really the biggest story at the beginning of our break that I didn't get to do here on the Will Kane show, but I didn't on Jesse Waters' prime time

was the story where Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy were arguing for why we don't have better engineers in America and Vivek criticized American culture and said that we venerate too much of the prom king and the football star and not the math Olympiad and the nerd or the gunner, the guy who's always raising his hand.

And he made the argument then unless we reform American culture at a really, really early age and within families we're not going to be producing the best and the brightest in these fields of STEM. And therefore, we're going to have to be giving H-1B visas to people from across the world. So that ignited this debate about American culture versus other cultures. And to me, that's what ties these three stories together. So I kind of wanted to walk through that.

So first of all, I pushed back on Vivek. I've spoken to Vivek for what it's worth to fully understand his position. I think he fully indicted American culture entirely too broadly. And I made that argument on Fox News, on Fox and Friends, and on Jesse Waters' primetime. I think Western civilization, Western culture, and at its apex American civilization and American culture are the most advanced yet developed on the face of planet through human civilization. That does not make it perfect. It's flawed.

And there are things to learn from other cultures. I think a lot, after watching Shogun, by the way, about Japanese culture and an honor-based society and the values of an honor-based society versus radical individualism and freedom through capitalism as a market that we have venerated in the West. But I still think there's no better culture than specifically America.

It's risk-tolerant. It's made up of pioneers and entrepreneurs, of wildcatters that dig holes, literally dig holes in the ground seeking their fortune. People that pushed West, risking scalping to seek a better life. And I think that's been bred into us and passed down by generations to people that now start companies and take on risks. For Vivek to suggest that, you know, there's some other culture, somewhere in the other world is doing it better and we need to emulate them.

Maybe there's things to learn, but he indicted it way too broadly. And then there's this guy in New Orleans. You know, I'm tying these three stories together. This guy in New Orleans who clearly, you know, Islamic fundamental, He's carrying a ISIS flag. And then finally, back to the U.K. story, the reason that these gang rape, grooming gangs have been allowed to go on is that the authorities, police, and politicians, and media, this has been written about. They wanted to preserve the image of the value of a multicultural society over the reality and truth of a multicultural society. And therefore, in the name of quote-unquote community relations, not only did they suppress what was happening, but they arrested the fathers who tried to do this.

something about what was happening. And so my point in the end of what ties these three things together is, and this is all worthy of deeper discussion, we'll continue, is there is such thing as culture. Not all cultures are of equal value. Our culture is specifically definable, and our culture here in America is unique and not only should be venerated, honored, but should be preserved. if you don't if you act like you're full of original sin or that you have no culture or the diversity is your strength then you'll water your culture down to a point where you're looking

around going the only thing that's good about us is there's a lot of us of different kinds and therefore we have to preserve cohesion and overlook the rape of children that's where the UK is at this point and so over the next four years as we look at the victories and the victories are today when you see Justin Trudeau resigning. I mean, a speech authoritarian with a mop haircut and a smile resigning. There's victories everywhere. As Donald Trump is certified as the next president of the United States. As they get to work on an agenda together, Mike Johnson is speaking today about an omnibus bill, which I'm super skeptical of, but it's supposedly in coordination with Trump to do everything, you know, border and everything else in one big swoop. I'm just here to tell you,

short-term partisan victories will fail us if we don't understand the deep cultural preservation that we have to make a part of this victory. Otherwise, we end up in a place where we are the same culture as Mexico or Pakistan or whatever. We have to preserve America. We're going to break down some of this. Also more of what happened over the break with us, with our sports teams, with our families. coming up with Professor Jonathan Turley, that's next on the Wilcane show. Have you ever wondered what happened to the legendary Chuck Norris?

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slash C-A-I-N. Jonathan Turley, next on the Will Cane. show this is jason chaffetz from the jason in the house podcast join me every monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests listen and follow now at foxnews podcast.com or wherever you download podcasts from shutting down free speech in canada to shutting down the trucker convoy on a right, a march, a protest for freedom. Justin Trudeau may have been one of the biggest authoritarians in the West, possibly only challenged by the Prime Minister of New Zealand, maybe Australia. But now he has resigned. It's the Will Kane show streaming live at

Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page, always on demand by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. Jonathan Turley, Professor, is the author of the indispensable right, free speech in the age of rage. He's also a Fox News contributor and the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. And Professor Turley joins us now. Hey, happy New Year.

Great to see you. Happy New Year we're together. You know, you being such a champion and you've written this book about free speech and how indispensable it is to, I think, Western civilization, quite honestly. I think you're a perfect person to sort of address Justin Trudeau today.

I mean, the reason, For his resignation in Canada are multiple. I think in probably no small part, by the way Trump has begun treating Canada right away, but also his fallout with his finance, Mr. Cynthia Freeland. But his legacy, Professor Turley, has to be directly tied to his antagonism to free speech. Oh, it does. I just posted a column on the Hill talking about precisely that issue, Will. He is one of the most decidedly answer. high free speech figures in the world. I've written about him for almost two decades. He's been at prime minister for a decade. I wrote about his father before him and his record. But the book also yeah, the book also discusses both him and his father in their crackdowns on free speech. And they used, by the way, the same basic laws to do so. What they did of the truckers was horrendous. I mean,

they froze their accounts. They were so over the time. top, it was shocking, except that the media gave him nothing but kudos and praise. And it led to this moment where we all sort of spit out our soup when the Trudeau government actually criticized Cuba and China for cracking down on protests. And some of us wrote and said, what are you talking about? I mean, the Canadian government just shut down one of the most significant protests in its history on the very same subject that you criticize China over. Right. But what do you, do you think that's, you brought up his father,

do you think that, you know, I spent some of the beginning of this show today talking about what's going on in the UK when it comes to this story that's breaking, it's been out there for a decade, but what we're learning about these grooming gangs in, you know, I don't know, dozens of cities in the UK where this is going on, this young people, young women raped by men of Pakistani heritage, but it's been kind of

covered up. And what I'm getting at is how much of what Trudeau did in Canada do you think is unique to him? You brought up his father and his own personal instinct or antagonism towards free speech, but how much of it is also part of really honestly every other British colonial relationship with free speech except for America, meaning New Zealand, Australia, Canada, and the UK itself, they don't care about free speech. It is not a value to them. No, Will, that's a fantastic point. I go into that in the indispensable right, because what I discuss is that the First Amendment was arguably the most revolutionary act of the American revolution. It was the greatest departure from the United Kingdom. And quite frankly,

it remains revolutionary. You know, there are law professors who want to amend the First Amendment because they believe it's too individualistic. That's a direct quote from one of my colleagues. Canada shares DNA with both the United States and the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, it took its free speech DNA from the mother country, in this case, United Kingdom. And they have a horrendous record on free speech. Free speech isn't a free fall in Great Britain. As you have noted, you know, they've criminalized a great deal of speech.

they arrest people even for praying in their minds, just standing there and silently praying. They've arrested people for criticizing homosexuality. Trudeau is the true believer in that cause. He was the smiling, cheerful face of censorship. And the media loved him for it. He and what are called the Human Rights Commissions of Canada became something of free speech commissars. You know, they just recently find a mayor in a town for not hoisting a gay pride flag during Pride Month. The town mentioned that they don't have a flagpole, but that really didn't matter. The comparison between the United States and Canada on free speech could not be more chilling. But under Trudeau, it became far, far worse.

his father had the same authoritarian attitude that you see on the left that as long as their motivations and virtue are clear any means is is allowed but so one more follow-up in this but you've written the book on this so in i'm going to come back to trudeau in a minute i want to stay on free speech for a second so i think that what i said this at the beginning of this show what undergirds every single thing that comes up in our conversations and honestly our policy and political debates is a cultural debate that's the most i am a true believer that culture is the most important thing because it sets the stage for anything else that happens um and so we need in america we need to retain not only a legal protection for free speech but we need a cultural protection

because if we lose the cultural protection then the judges don't care then they they'll follow that before they'll follow precedent i do believe that there are You and I are both lawyers, you're a professor, you're an expert on this, but there are principal justices and judges, but I think they're actually in the minority. I don't think most of them say, well, here's the history and the precedent on free speech. It's more finger in the wind, you know, where's the current cultural climate? My point is, I'm curious what the average Canadian thinks of free speech, and is the average American still faithful in the way that we would hope to the cultural concept of defending

something that you even hate, specifically that you hate, because that's the point of free speech, defending what you hate to hear. No, Will, you put your finger on it. You know, Alexis de Tocqueville once wrote that one of the greatest protections in the United States of liberty is that it's in our culture, that the American people have been raised, they have been inculcated with this great faith and rights like free speech and free association. The question is what happens to us if that culture, changes. And you're absolutely correct that in Great Britain, for example, most of the people in

Great Britain were raised under a system that does not put free speech as a highly protected right. It is more often a bridge than protected. It's treated as a privilege rather than a right. The same is true in Canada. So you can lose that sensation once the limb has been removed. And the question is, can you get it bad? Now, obviously there are many in Canada, particularly conservatives and libertarians, that want their free speech back, and they're going to come looking for it after Trudeau leaves. The question is whether the rest of Canada is going to look at this and say, you know what, there are wonderful things to get from the United Kingdom,

wonderful things to get from the United States. But one of the DNA strands that we should probably take from the United States is free speech, because free speech isn't a free fall in Canada. Yeah, and honestly, you know, I don't think Trump is joking, but him talking about Canada becoming the 51st state, like I'm actually not for that unless we can find some real cultural assimilation and overlap. I mean, I just can't get used to the cheese.

I can't get used to the cheese curds, so they're going to have to get rid of the cheese curds and the mayonnaise on French fries before we can consider stated. Well, if that's your standard, professor, you just booted Wisconsin from the union. So I don't know. That's not just Canada. Hey, I'm a Bears fan.

That's okay with me. Is that right? Oh, you're a Bears guy, Chicago guy. That's right. So one more thing on Justin Trudeau. How, you know, I was just in Florida professor at a soccer tournament. One of the things I love about my sons playing soccer is I'm exposed to a lot of people from different backgrounds. And so one night I was sitting there.

with two of the dads and one dad comes from Mexico and the other dad comes from Kenya and you know their kids play soccer and we're talking and the Kenyan dad was telling me he's been in America for a long time but how much of a player in Africa China is he's like will like China is everywhere in Africa like what they're investing in what they're doing and then of course we're concerned about China's role and this is what Trump's bringing up with the Panama Canal in Latin America but Trudeau praised China. Like, Trudeau talked about China as a model for how they handled COVID. I know you said he criticized them at times, but he also looked to them in their speeches out

there of him talking about their model of governance as a way to drive forward a progressive vision of the future. And I do wonder about that. Like, what's the future of Canada? Did Trudeau set them up on this path of not just, you know, their DNA sharing with the UK, but looking towards an authoritarian east? with China as their model. Yeah, and it's not just China.

I wrote a column last year involving a woman who came from Ukraine, a very brave woman, who was tried in abstentia in Russia because she criticized the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And so she was going to get citizenship in Canada, and the Trudeau government stopped it. And they said, well, the problem we have is you were convicted in Russia. And the law you were convicted under is much like our own. law. And in fact, it is because the Russians convicted her of spreading false information. There's a Canadian law that does the same thing. And I wrote a column saying, is this the point that even this irony will not wake up the Canadian people? You just held up citizenship of a dissident

because you have the same draconian speech laws as Russia. And that doesn't seem to register with Canadians. And I think that is part of the problem of that tradition coming from Great Britain. But you're right, Will, you know, Trudeau was an incredible hypocrite. And his embrace of the Chinese government was chilling. Yeah. Okay. This is going to be a big week on a multitude of levels. Today, roughly right after the Will Kane show here will be the certification of Donald Trump as the next president of the United States. Um, do you, but later this week, Professor, it appears we will have Judge Juan Mershahn in the state of New York passed down sentencing on Donald Trump in what has been described as the hush money case with Stormy Daniels. Um, we've talked about it. It's, I totally forgive the audience if they've forgotten the

details because there was like half a dozen cases against Donald Trump. But as a refresher, professor, this is the case where they bootstrapped misdemeanors into felonies. Um, um individually charged every single check written much past the statute of limitations um and and and prosecuted something that on the face of it looks like a federal a federal case they made it a state case somehow after the doj passed on doing this case the state of new york's like we got it we'll do it so everything about it i think you've written this looks like it will not survive appeal that may have to get to the supreme court because we don't trust neither you or i the state of New York, but what happens before appeal? What do you think, what sentence does he get from Judge Juan

Mershahn? Well, Mershont is going to land this plane where many of us thought it had to be, which is an unconditional discharge. After, when we were doing the coverage in New York of the trial, I noted that most of these cases would end in a conditional discharge without a jail or probation. And that's what he's going to do because it won't trip the white. of the Constitution. But what was notable about this case is how long he waited. He could have held this hearing weeks ago and allowed Trump time to appeal. He intentionally waited until he's going to do this 10 days before the inauguration. That does not give time for appeal. But then he added a rather menacing aspect to his order. He said, you know, if I am delayed in sentencing, I may have

no choice but to do what Bragg wants, which is to hold this in suspension for four years. So that would allow him to hold a leash on the American president, this New York trial judge in Manhattan, for four years. And I think that this is planned. You could call it passive aggressive, but it's rather actively aggressive. I mean, it is a very clear effort of his part to say, you better not appeal, because I could do something worse. But what he will give all of these lawfare warriors is he will allow them to say that Trump is the first convicted felon to be sworn into office as president. Now, of course, that's ignoring the fact that he's never had a chance to appeal the heart of this case. He's had other appeals, but he's never been able to appeal

the many errors that Mershahn made, and he's never been able to really appeal this absurd theory. Even the CNN senior analyst called this an absurd case. The Democratic Senator from New Jersey called it BS, and that's the case that they are trying to push the finish before the inauguration. So, you know, there was a time when he didn't sentence Donald Trump, and it was almost like, does he get credit for not doing this before the election, right? Like, if he does before the election, it could be seen as trying to, well, do what they were doing, what they were doing, interfering in the election. But do you think the sweet spot was he should have passed sentencing shortly after the election or after Donald Trump won, providing time for appeal? But what he's done by delaying is hold this over Donald Trump's head, keeping him from appealing and now setting it up. So when he's inaugurated, it's with the caveat or the talking point, first convicted felon.

Yeah, there's no reason. This is why I wrote a column saying this is the end of the longest performance of Hamlet off Broadway. I mean, he's been debating what type of judge he will be. He made a just horrendous mess out of this case. I mean, this case should have been dismissed at the outset. It's absurd. But then he's let this linger for years. And I was not nearly as harsh on Mershon until I sat in his courtroom and watched him at that trial.

I was shocked at how nonsensical some of his rulings were. At one point, I let out a sort of guffaw, and he sort of glared at me because it was really not intentional, just because it just, it was a ruling on an objection from the Trump people, which was absolutely obviously true. And he just, he just rejected it. And I just, I couldn't believe it. But he had an agenda, I think, in this case. He was not going to give a fair trial to the, to the foreign president. And in the meantime, he gagged the leading candidate for the presidency. So you have this acting justice in this little court in Manhattan who not only gagged

the leading candidate for president, but it is threatening that he may hold a leash on him for four years. That would mean that all of his orders would continue to run. So last thing with you, Professor, I'm curious, I haven't heard you say this before. And you probably have. So you're sitting in the courtroom. and that's the first time you could really sense how unfair this entire thing was. I mean, so it was the sort of, what I understood you saying is it's sort of like what on their face seemingly small objections, but obvious ones that all went against the Trump team that

showed you like, this guy is just, he's an antagonist. He's on one side of this deal. Was it that? Was it body language? What was it that made you, oh my gosh. Yeah, there's an objection to one of the questions by the prosecution, which, by the way, the objection was consistent with what Mershon had said previously. And it was consistent with the law. The prosecution was off the map on that question. And it should have been a very easy thing to say, of course, sustained. And instead, I couldn't believe my ears when he rejected it. And unfortunately, that was not unique. There was a series of these decisions. The worst decision that he made, of course, besides keeping this case at all, was he said that the jury didn't have to agree on what happened.

He said that the way this novel theory works that they were able to zap dead misdemeanors back into life is they needed a secondary crime, a crime that was being concealed. That's pretty important, right? But he said that the jurors didn't have to agree on what happened. They didn't have to agree on what Trump was trying to hide. so you could have a 4-4-4 jury you could literally have groups of four that saw this case completely differently and he's saying you don't have to be unanimous on that just give me the verdict that says guilty and that's what they did well we'll have to see this week it's going to be a busy week that's one of the things we have to watch um you've written about free speech the book is the indispensable right

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It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Hey, fellas, we're going to get this studio. We got work to do. So first of all, there's an American flower. Hold on. Let me just see here. That's just a shot of the American flag. I'm the director, which that's something we're going to change. Right?

Like, yeah, right. That's one of the changes coming to the Will Kane show here. You're killing it. but we're going to get the chat up on the show right that's what we're going to do it could be dangerous I'm worried here I'm very worried boom I'm gonna get the chat right here

and that means you guys have to be on your best behavior yeah I'm worried shuts me down but you know we're always tone the line I'm the moderator I'm the moderator so just you know I will kick you if you know you say something over the lines

and be nice but I want to be well I don't care what you say I don't care what you say it's just I want to continue to let you say it so if you know you get me in trouble with the bosses then i like my job the whole thing go so yeah but i mean like you know me for those of you don't know i'll fight i fight i fight guys can you attest to that yes sir yes i mean i fight i fight i promise you um and i'm gonna i my vision for this show and by this isn't the big stuff coming this week like getting your

comments up on the show there's other stuff we're going to be talking about another But it is what I want, yeah. Because I want this show, like, as we continue to, I want more audience interaction. I want, I want this to be, you know, it's not a one-way conversation. So what's the, like, analogy? It's like the tragedy of the commons in law school we should talk about that. It's like one or two bad apples can ruin it for everybody. So if you jump into the chat and you start, I'm looking at a couple of you.

I'm looking at a couple of you right now. we're all going to lose it by the way that's totally going to work like whoever is planning to throw eggplants all over my chat does not care if it goes away that's the problem you're encouraging it come on

I just hope 14 is funny about it who 4chan who it's a message board yeah I know it is to do a lot of that kind of stuff

Yeah, it's dangerous. Will's in the no. I'm in the no. Okay. I'm in this like Netherlands where like kids, my kids will throw like meme talk at me and see if I get it. But I only bat like 40%. And then when I miss it there, I was like,

I thought you knew all this stuff, Dad. And I don't. Like we have a generational divide. Youngest, yeah, young establishment James asked on the call day, why do you guys keep using this phrase text chain? I looked it up. That's because that's what it is. That's what it is.

I looked it up. It's because when phones used to be SMS pre-I message, they texts were more like email threads than like groups. And younger people view them more as chats. Do you know what a BlackBerry is? I mean, I've seen one. I've held one in my hand. I'm like five.

Yeah. But you've never used the phrase text chain, which I was using, not even realizing it was sounding old. No, never used that before. Because you call it chat. Group chat. Which, by the way, I don't like the word chat. Okay, I'm gonna say it

Yeah, I think it's effeminate I do Really That's what we call That's a huge Twitter word too That's the That's the YouTube like phrase For our chat room

You know like If a buddy said hey man Can we stop for Can we chat I'd be like chat What are we British or ladies We're not gonna chat You want talk?

We can talk If you say chit chat That's worse You know who said that once What do you I remember very distinctly, Vivek at the end of one of our episodes.

Like, oh, thanks, well, I enjoy our chats. I'm not a chat guy. Why are you making that face, tinfoil? What's that face you're making? It's a grimace. Using chat, saying chat, thought Vivek was one of us. Are you with me on chat?

Yeah, I'm with you. Chat's fine. In certain contexts, yeah. What if you refer to like a group as chat? But you live in Brooklyn, Dan. You live in Brooklyn. A lot of people. I have a beard, dude.

What does that mean? You have chat string brunch. What I feel like you're addressing a lot of people like, hey, chat, what do you think about this? Let me ask you a question, Dan. Yes. As I use my makeup brush to make a point. Dude, I don't know what you're about to say, but it doesn't matter. Yeah, I know.

Dan, let me ask you a question. If I took you out, which is something I did over the Christmas break. My son said, hey, man, hey, dad, can I take some of my friends shooting? I was like, yes, we can. And we went out to the country. We got a little spot out there, right? And I took a friend or two, two. So it was like two or three dads, and it was like three, you know, teenage boys.

Which, by the way, at the outset, he was like, I don't think we want to hang with you. I'm like, that's okay. You don't have to hang with us, but I knew better. I mean, the minute the fire is built and we're sitting around the fire, like, where are you going to go? Like, men gravitate to the fire. And if you were there, Dan, and we were sitting around a fire, and we were sitting around a fire, fire tossing back some silver bullets you know something like that banquet beer maybe and would you feel confident saying hey guys i've really enjoyed this chat or hey guys can we chat as you're sitting around

that campfire in the country having just shot guns i just want to know would you feel appropriate using the word chat well i'm going to sound really dushy but my voice is very low so yes i would hey thanks for the chat boys thanks for the chat guys it kind of Great chat, guys. It kind of feels like an HR term, too. You know my point. I do know your point. You're absolutely right. Like, they tap you on the shoulder.

But that's why I say context is everything. Because it depends where you're saying it. You would self-censor. I think if you were there, you would say... Talk. What I'm saying out loud, you would say internally. And you would go, that doesn't feel right. That sounds ladylike.

You're right. And I'm not going to use the phrase chat in this masculine situation. And so then I ask you why you turn into a lady over a Brooklyn brunch. You don't need to be throwing chats around just because now you're not by a campfire. Just have a talk with some dudes. Yeah. So what term would Sam Elliott use?

Good talk, buddy. Sam Elliott would never say chat. Although he's like, honestly, he kind of proves Dan's point. With his voice, he can say anything he wants and pull it off. Yeah. All right, so over the break, it seems like the big takeaway in sports

is everybody hates the Texas Longhorns. It really feels that way. It feels like the whole world's against us as we continue to win and move forward. And is that just me? What are you laughing at, tinfoil? Is that just my algorithm? Yes. It feels like the whole world hates Texas.

That's how I feel is Notre Dame fan for my entire life, so it's fine. Yeah, more people hate Notre Dame. I think people were upset over some of those egregious calls that, you know, kind of tilted in your favor. I don't think that was a hatred of Texas More than the Yeah, I mean like the targeting Or the drop pass in the end zone You know that kind of thing

You were the only one Talking about the drop patch You brought it up on the call this morning It's not a thing Okay, it's like what's that It's like fetch You're trying to make fetch a thing You know like you know what that I'm talking about

That's from what movie is that from Mean Girls 2004? Plueless or Mean Girls That's Mean Girls Mean Girls I hate that. You're still trying to make Florida State a thing, and you're going to try to make this not a catch-in-the-end zone a thing.

And it's not a thing. It's just not a thing. And now the targeting thing, I will give you this. I think it probably should have been called targeting. Probably. Although I don't think it's 100%. I think it's more like in the 70-80% probably targeting. He didn't launch.

We're talking about Michael Taff against Arizona State. By the way, the real takeaway on that is targeting is stupid. because that was a great tackle and you have to admit that everyone knows not only was it a great tackle it was probably the only way he could tackle him

because he didn't launch he didn't literally target the guy's head it was face mask to face mask pretty much and that's a tackle that's what's called a tackle and so if that's quote unquote targeting well this whole stupid rule means tackling

you're not allowed to tackle you're only allowed to trip in football now you have to trip not tackle yeah and so yeah i agree and it's super inconsistently applied so you can only be so offended if it goes for your team or against your team you really can only be so offended um now i will say if i was an arizona state fan i'd be super mad i would um because i do think 70% it was your call i don't think michael taft launched and tried to literally target therefore i don't think it should be targeting.

But I also don't know that it decided the game. I mean, it gives them a first down and puts them on like the 35 and they have a horrible field goal kicker and they have to get another 30 yards at least to even get an attempt at a field goal where they don't have good special teams. But when it, I mean, and then there's a whole like two overtimes after that. They had a chance to win the game and they didn't. Make a stop on fourth and 13. And Quinn Ewers came.

dude huge and I'm that was the most miserable game I have watched ever and I was with people and I was miserable it felt like you know how in the 1800s

if you were sick like a thing they do to get you better is bloodletting like they'd cut you and just bleed you for a while because like I guess you're gonna get the bad blood out

that's how I felt like the whole game I'm being blood let like 16 point lead little by little by little we keep choking it up and but then all of a sudden when you were

And so I'm going, where's Arch Manning? This has been my constant. I don't want him to replace Quinn. I don't want to bench Quinn. I just want packages for Arch Manning to mix it up. But then in overtime, Quinn stepped up huge. It was huge in overtime. Go ahead, Dan.

True or false, were you pissed that we were texting you during the game in the group chat? Only Patrick. Patrick has a way of pissing me off at this point. And it's like every penalty. here's Patrick's formula he takes the opposite side of my team on every penalty and then he does the

freaking cliched like Texas you know SEC gets every call bought their way in it's like I am not on Twitter for a reason Patrick but I have to deal with this in my text chain and then here comes the inevitable you know cherry on top thought you weren't allowed to be in the playoffs

if you had or playing with a blackup backup quarterback you know like it's some Florida state reference from a year ago about how they got jobs and it was an injustice. That's the formula, Patrick. Tell me I don't have it down. I'm just saying I'm pretty sure after I was threatened last time against Georgia

that I was trying to play it safe this time. I don't remember commenting that much in the group chat. Maybe I did. I don't know. I think your self-awareness indicators a little off. Into the whiskies.

Yeah. It was a break after all. Oh, yeah, Texas, Ohio State, this Friday night. And by the way, I don't know if you guys know this because it's Texas and if it rains in the northeast, it's national news. But we're going to get, like, the estimates are between 5 and 15 inches of snow this week, which is not what we're built for down here. So, like, I don't know how these game is going to go off without a hitch.

Like, everybody getting here to, it's a Jerry World, so at least it's indoor. And in Notre Dame, Penn State, great game as well. That's Thursday, right, Dan? That's Thursday, 7.30. Is that Thursday? Thursday, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Honestly, I have other buddies that are Notre Dame fans, Dan.

You know I went to a Notre Dame game this year? And they said to me, if it's Texas, Notre Dame, have to go, have to go. And I'm like, it's the same night as the inauguration. I cannot believe that's happening. I would go. Do you think they'll play it? They'll think they'll have it on the screen at the ball on Monday night? I don't know.

I don't know. Is it? I think if Fancy charter planes I mean I thought back and forth Well you're not going to get your tuxedo Where is it?

Oh it's in Atlanta Okay Taylor Swift Relax Yeah I think we should put a bet down If that does happen That's like a two hour flight I think you and I should put a bet down

Okay Yeah we'll bet Yeah I predicted you guys in the national championship game Not us I said it was going to be Oregon Notre Dame When a week ago

I was obviously wrong about Oregon at the beginning of the playoffs I know I think you guys have a really good shot well how about this throughout this week we'll talk about what else happened including the end of the NFL regular season what should happen with the number one

overall draft pick for the Tennessee Titans should they take Shadour Sanders should they take Travis Hunter which way should it go we'll break all that down we still have a lot of catching up we can't do it in one day but we're back we're going to get caught up

and then we are about to put the pedal to the metal forward. Trust me when I tell you, you don't want to miss what's coming up here on the Will Cain show. All right, but for today, for now, that's going to do it.

Stay with us. This week, we've got Dr. Gad's sod. We've got Jock Willing it. A lot of other big guests coming up this week, so don't go anywhere. We'll see you tomorrow. Next time on the Wilcane show.

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