Will Cain Country - Joy Reid OUT At MSNBC & Dan Bongino IN At The FBI! PLUS, Inside The Corruption & Waste At USAID

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

Story #1: A sad day for the conservative movement: Joy Reid is fired from MSNBC! Relive some of her craziest moments with Will. Story #2: Former Trump USAID appointee & Author of "Masters of Corruption: How the Federal Bureaucracy Sabotaged the Trump Administration," Dr. Mark Moyar joins to discuss what he learned about the rampant corruption inside USAID, and why the media is pushing back against DOGE.  Story #3: The Crew welcomes a new member to the family! Plus, why Dan Bongino is the right man at the right time for the Number 2 spot at the FBI. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Masters of Corruption, how the federal bureaucracy sabotaged the Trump administration, joins us today here on the Will Kane Show. Three, it's official. We have a new member of the family. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Terrestrial radio, some three dozen markets across the great United States of America, always on demand, by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. You can join us every Monday through Thursday by simply subscribing on YouTube, setting a reminder, or doing the same. on Facebook, and that way you're always

here for every live episode of the Wilcane show and become a member of the Willisha. What's up, boys? How's it going? How was the weekend in New York? What's up, Will Cain? You went out with some of the guys. You went out with some of the guys in the Fox family. I'm getting texts.

I'm getting text from James on a Saturday night. He didn't plug his headphones in, so you've got to give him a second. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad he's doing it all on air. Yeah. You know, I was just going to keep rocking, but we get to hear. I can't hear anything.

And to panic. Good start. Well, I just wanted to make sure our audience members could hear something, too, but it was a me issue. Plug in your headphones. Pretty easy. You went out with some people from Fox on Friday night. You guys are texting me on Saturday night. Yeah, I guess so.

So a birthday party, a lot of Fox producers there. And, you know, people work hard during the week, but they're able to kick back and relax on the weekend and socialize. Well, thank you for that recap. I'm riveted. That was a riveting story about Saturday night. That was incredible. I'm still feeling it. I got nothing for you.

Like every time you were speaking right there, every one, word that came out of your mouth were you measuring it were you thinking i don't know what to say like you sounded like an hr press release yeah i got i got nothing for you nothing you can say at least no uh i had an uneventful weekend except i feel like i'm getting old so one of my son said to me um hey my younger son i want to go to the soccer field i want to practice shooting i'm like okay you know and I've been doing this with them throughout my life. It's actually like when I look back on fatherhood, it'll be one of the, you know, endearing memories of my life is like on Saturdays

and Sundays in New York. And then, of course, the last couple of years, I haven't been able to as much because I've been away on the weekends. But I would take them to a skateboard park or I would take them to a soccer field, whatever. So, but time has passed. He's 13. He's six foot tall.

So he's like, I want to shoot. And I'm going to play goalie. And he's like, not. little kid anymore and he shoots and I blocked like one or two in the beginning like that hurts I don't really want to be doing this like like for real like you know you see a a ball shot and it's just like it's not a good shot because it's like directly at me so I can just you know but then when it hits you're like um ah ah that's not comfortable I don't really want to be doing this so then he lines up one and I don't know why it caught me off guard I don't

don't know if he had a little tail on it or if it was picking up speed i will say he shoots hard it surprised me and i don't know why it surprised me it shouldn't like and so at the last minute i raise my hands like this and i make a fist with one hand oh no and i just kind of get the other one up like this and but i didn't make a complete clenched fist my fist didn't clinch all the way so it just hammers my front index finger on my left hand and I guess jams my wrist which I didn't know at the time the injury's mounted and then it hit this right wrist and it hurt and then it hit me in the face boom so you're playing hurt today

there's no video of that so listen so I'm hands on knees in the soccer field you know there's no there's no like pretending it hurt and so you know he comes up but he's doing that laugh thing where he's laughing, but he's like, are you okay? Which always makes you mad, you know, and I'm like, there's, you know, the goal's 100% and I take up 6% of it. How do you hit me? You know, like shoot it anywhere but where I am.

But anyway, long and short of it is, the pain mounted last night, I thought maybe I'd broken my wrist. Like, by the time I laid in bed, I couldn't get my arm comfortable, no matter how I'd laid. And I was like, did I break my wrist? I've broken my wrist before, and it started to feel very familiar. I could move it, but it was getting stiffer and stiffer and more painful and throbbing, and I'm like, it shouldn't keep getting more painful. Like, that's the sign of a broken something, right?

It's like either it hurts at the beginning and gets better, but to get more painful as you go, I'm like, what is that? So anyway, I'm playing hurt today. Yeah, I woke up today. A little better, though. A little better. I said, can't play soccer with a 13-year-old. it was an excuse not to get in the gym this morning

all right enough small talk coming off the weekend because there's a lot of big news and there's a real sad situation that we all have to deal with this morning and it is that joy read has been fired from MSNBC story number one the host of the 7 p.m. Eastern Time hour on MSNBC renowned as the race lady

probably the most insane person maybe to ever be on television just off the top of our heads really quickly no I would not put Don Lemon above her no not Brian Stelter I think we're oh Keith Oberman could be in the running but even with Keith Oberman I don't think he did as much crazy on TV said as much

ridiculous things as Joy Reid Joy Reid said things like male white tears she loves. Watch and listen to this. In America, there's a thing about both white vigilanceism and white tears, particularly male white tears. Really white tears in general, because that's what carrots are, right? They Karen out, and then as soon as they get caught, bring waterworks, white men can get away with that too. And it has the same effect, even as the right tries to politicize the idea that masculinity is being robbed for American men by multiculturalism and wokeism. That's, of course, that was on TikTok. That wasn't on TV.

Two days, give me one where she's from television saying this crazy stuff, either that Trump is a fascist or Kamala ran a flawless campaign. We've laid out the stakes in this crucial election where one side stands for free. freedom, while the other meets the textbook definition of fascism, namely a far-right dictatorial regime like Hitler's Germany or Franco's Spain or Mussolini's Italy, but also white ruled South Africa before Mandela and the black majority took control, or Vladimir Putin's Russia, Victor Orban's Hungary, or Nicolas Maruro in Venezuela today. I mean, I was pretty well done television. They had all those dudes' pictures up in a gigantic wall and scrolled across them.

She's indicative of, you know, there was a style of commentary where you had to race even further to the insanity. You had to become more hyperbolic. You had to embrace, you know, causing fear. Honestly, think about the people that listen to MSNBC. And when I lived in New York, I knew a lot. I mean, I knew some people were like, I really like, who said this. I really like Joy Reid. Like, are you kidding me?

Think about the people that consumed that on a nightly basis. You were pumping pure insanity into the minds of what we know was a pretty small minority, actually. I mean, ratings were terrible for Joy Reid. Ratings are terrible for MSNBC. There's not a single show on MSNBC. B.C., including $25 to $30 million paid Rachel Maddow in primetime that outrates the Will Cain show, not a single one. And they're all fractions.

We're not even talking about it's a close race. They're not even fractions. So the audience is small, and by the way, it's old. People don't talk about that. They always say that when it comes to Fox. Oh, the demographic from Fox is old. The demographic for MSNBC is really old. I think we think of progressivism and this kind of,

Wokism is a young thing, but the people that watch that stuff on a night-in-night-out basis, they're old. But she was a source of constant fodder for people like me that have podcasts, that needs something fun to laugh at, like the idea that Kamala Harris ran a flawless campaign. I mean, this really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She had, Queen Latifah never endorses anyone. She came out and endorsed you know, I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice. She had the, she had the Taylor Swifties to the Swifties.

She had the beehive. Like, you could not have run a better campaign in that short period of time. And I think that's still true. I mean, I wonder if she believes that because there is part of that that's an old mentality, like a 20-year-old mentality. Oh, you've got all the right celebrity endorsements. so it's a flawless campaign. And we're just well beyond that. No one cares about celebrity endorsements.

They might even be a net drag on your favorability. Joy Reid is no more. And it's a sad, sad day for those of us who need something to laugh at. Now, the question is, what does that mean for MSNBC? If you'll remember, and these names may not be that familiar to you, but they should be, what was it, two years ago now? the president of CNN's name was Chris Licked. He was there for a short period of time. And he pivoted CNN away from their insanity.

So this was when Brian Stelter was fired, when Don Lemon was fired, and ultimately Chris Cuomo was fired. And they started to pivot. But he basically had to deal with an internal mutiny inside of CNN that was completely anti-Trump. That ultimately cost him his job. And by the way, now Brian Stelter is back on CNN. Rebecca Cutler is the new head of MSNBC. And it doesn't just include Joy Reid. Do you guys in New York know, I think Jen Socky's going to come out of this with a more prominent position, a primetime show?

I think it seems that way. The people that are replacing Joy Reid, it's a panel show featuring Michael Steele, Simone Sanders. And who's the third person? Does anybody have that in front of them? Alex Wagner. She's going to be on that panel? No, no. No, she lost her show too.

That's another part of the shakeup. She lost her show. So the question is, is what does this mean for MSNBC? It isn't them pivoting away from far-left insanity. While Michael Steele has no Joy Reid, he'll do a point. pedestrian job of upholding the demand for insanity among that audience. It's just not going to live up to Joy Reid standards. What it is, I think, is if you look across both those networks is a pivoting away from people that are all risk, no reward. People that say things that get you sued for defamation,

people say things that honestly corrupt the public environment, and then people who, despite all of that, don't get ratings what's the point in continuing to put joy reed on like what's the upside there is no upside she was making three million dollars a year apparently that's what press reports are she had to take a pay cut at some point and you know it's good it's good for democrats that joy read is no longer a prime time host on msnbc what's up two a days so it says MSNBC plans to replace Reed in the 7 p.m. hour with a trio of hosts. Former La Cammala Harris advisor, Simone Sanders, Townsend, Michael Steele, and Alicia Menendez. Oh, okay. Alicia Menendez is the first. Daughter of former New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez.

Yeah, go bar, Bob. Exactly. It's good for Democrats. On one hand, you see Jasmine Crockett rising up to be sort of the most prominent voice of Democrats right now, which is really good for Republicans. On the other hand, distancing from Joy Reed is really good for Democrats. James Carville, by the way, who's just been on a tear on various things, including going after Stephen A. Smith for, I guess, opining on politics, James Carvel said, here's his strategy for what Democrats should be doing right now in this environment of so much action from Donald Trump.

The Democrats need to play possum. This whole thing is collapsing. It doesn't need Elizabeth Warren and somebody screaming to pacify some progressive advocacy groups in Washington, which, by the way, I wish these people were just useless. They're actually worse than useless, that they're detrimental. And they never, ever learned to shut up. And so, Dan, this is what I believe. I believe that this administration, in less than 30 days, in the midst of a massive collapse.

Okay, I think this is a fascinating piece of analysis. Just for a minute, okay, set aside Donald Trump and set aside what he's actually doing. The history of most administrations is that they overread their mandate and they overreach their agenda. And when they do so, there is a pendulum swing back the other way for the other party. When the American public says, whoa, we didn't sign up for all of this. Look at all this wokeism, how far it went. We're seeing a hard pendulum swing the other way. So as a matter of historical trend, I think Carville is right in that if that's the way it usually goes,

and by the way, then you would acknowledge that the Trump administration is incredibly aggressive in going after their goals, using executive orders and using Doge and Elon Musk. If that's historically the way it goes, then what you don't want is you don't want everyone to continue to hear from Elizabeth Warren and AOC and Joy Reed. You don't want that in Jasmine Crockett to be the voice of Democrats. You want to play possum, sit quiet, and hope that historical trends hold true. Now, I don't think they will. That's my personal opinion. There's new polling out today from Harvard Harris, which suggests that everything that President Trump is going after is incredibly popular. Doge cuts, like almost a 60% approval rating, immigration enforcement, almost a 60% approval rating.

I don't have them all in front of me There's like every big trans trans men and women sports, huge approval rating and then some of them get well north of 60%. The things that he's focused on he's going after are popular. It's not overreach. So we'll have to see though if you sit back and play possum

if there will eventually be overreach. I don't think there's going to be public backlash, up pursuing peace, even under the terms they're discussing, between Ukraine and Russia is going to have a backlash. One could argue the one issue that might threaten that is the Gaza issue, like turning it into

Gazaria, Gaziera, Gaziera, Riviera Gaza. But, I mean, let it play out. And if I'm a Democrat, don't let Joy Reid take to social media and become the voice you talk about every day.

Because by the way, she'll have just as big a platform but less money on social media she had on MSNBC. Sad day for the rest of us. We can no longer poke fun at Joy Reid. An insider on the corruption of USAID. Next on the Will Kane Show. But first, we've partnered with Gundrym D to share this information with you.

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kinds of media enterprises to say, hey, I don't think it's so much be less anti-Trump. It's like, hey, be more sane. I bet we're going to see a fallout, a shake-up at the view. It's the Will Cain Show, streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. My next guest is the author of Masters of Corruption, how the federal bureaucracy sabotaged the Trump presidency. And he is Dr. Mark Moyer, who worked at USAID during the first Trump administration. That's before it all went south. Dr. Moyer, great to see you here on the Will Cain

show. Hey, great to be with you, Will. Let's talk about, first of all, when all of this stuff started coming out and Doge looked into USAID and we as a country started to hear the types of things they were spending money on, how unsurprised were you to hear about USAID? I was not surprised at all. The sorts of excesses we first, heard about things like these transgender operas and DEI and Serbia and all these other crazy things. We had seen this very similar things during the Obama years. And 2017, I'd written an article about some of the same kind of crazy things going on. Now, during the Trump era, what happened was they slapped new labels on a lot of this stuff to try to hide it.

but uh and some of it did go away but once samantha power came in in 2021 uh it was full on again going with all these DEI programs all right so this is the crazy stuff which we've talked about like he said operas in Columbia DEI plays in Ireland um and that is whatever we even if they rebranded it you know I guess that would be fraudulent but it's just it's a waste of the taxpayers' dollar. And I think the best word to use there is waste. But I want to dig in with you to the idea of corruption. And I want you to talk to him about other stuff USAID was doing,

like other places they were active, both internally and externally of the United States. Yeah, so a lot of the corruption is not as sensational as what we've been hearing about in news stories. A lot of it involves contracting fraud. And this is people who pay attention to bureaucracies. This is nothing new. You know, people are not going in there and just siphoning money out of the bank accounts. I mean, that would be pretty hard to do, but it's not really necessary.

It's much easier to cover your tracks if you engage in contracting fraud. And so what you often see is people within the agency colluding with people outside the agency to steer money to particular contractors. When USAID has a $42 billion budget, almost all of that goes to what they call implementing partners. So, you know, agency employees are not out there digging wells and helping, you know, the poor of themselves. They're hiring other people. And so there's huge amounts of contracting dollars that could get astray. And another part of this corruption is that you have huge overhead costs.

And Senator Joni Ernst, during the Biden administration, asked about these and was told, oh, we don't have information. They basically lied about it. And then eventually they came out. They had some. but um and that's another problem too congress is supposed to be overseeing this and they're not uh so the corruption takes many forms and uh it's insidious in many ways and unfortunately not surprising when a lot of this news came out okay let's stick with the contract stuff for just a moment what about kickbacks that's a word we always hear kicked around when it comes to government

fraud, that somehow the players inside, either politicians or bureaucrats, are getting kickbacks from these contracting companies, like you said, and that's how they get selected for work with the government. Yes, well, there are, in terms of kickbacks, I'm not sure there's a lot in terms of direct cash payments, because that's hard, that's fairly easy to catch. So they have more ingenious schemes for doing this. one of the most common things that I came across was that you'd have somebody working in the government and they're helping decide who gets the contract, then they award this huge contract to

contractor X. And then a year later, they get, you know, a job paying them $300,000 a year at that company. And so it's, you can't clearly identify a specific amount of funding. That kind of thing happens a lot. That's probably the most common. I mean, another thing, we saw, which is how I actually got in trouble for reporting this is we had an employee in our agency who was the chairman of the board of a company that was getting money from the federal government, huge violation of federal conflict of interest laws. But a lot of that stuff is allowed to happen because people are afraid to speak up. Yeah, I want to dig on the job thing for just a minute. That seems to be what we always hear about. You know, you spend years inside the

government. Next thing you know, you're going to work for someone who was lobbying the government and maybe even lobbying you. Or you just go work for a lobbyist and you're yet another middleman right there in between. Or, by the way, one of your family members is the beneficiary of one of these jobs. Is there nothing that can prevent this or is there no law in the books? Meaning, you know, I understand how hard it would be to regulate and create laws around where someone is allowed to go work, but something to the extent that if it's a client that directly worked with you or, you know, in some way was connected to your office, you're precluded from going into that job after service. Yeah, I mean, there are rules governing this and no laws

will be 100% perfect. And as you mentioned, this question of having family members benefit. I mean, we saw that in the Hunter Biden scandal, how the Biden family is able to shift money to different relatives. And it's, even with someone that high profile, it can be hard to trace. And there, I think there is a need for more stringent laws. And we've heard the Trump administration talking to more about restricting the so-called revolving door, where you see people going from the government to the contractors, to the lobbying firms, and back and forth. But a lot of the problem, too, that I saw was simply a problem of enforcement. And when I reported this corruption up the chain of command, people didn't want to deal.

with it. It was clear that what was going on was not legal, but they ended up protecting the individuals and they came after me. And that was a problem of career bureaucrats and also the office of Inspector General who's supposed to support this. And we saw Trump already fired a bunch of inspectors generally fired the USAID Inspector General recently, which I think is very important because these are supposed to be the watchdogs and too often they've been failing in that task. So in the cost of this corruption, I would presume while we need to kind of sort of complete this circle, is that if you have corruption on the level that we're talking about, what ends up happening is the government selects contractors that either might not be the best man for the job

or the lowest bidder of some kind, although I know we have rules around that. So it's either more expensive or it's a worse job for the taxpayer. corruption is what's guiding the decision-making with the contractors, correct? Yeah, that is correct. And unfortunately, we've seen a great deal of this. And this, of course, is a problem we see at many federal agencies. We're starting to become an issue in Department of Defense, for example, where they have, you know, even more contracting dollars.

So that's what I was going to bring up next. This isn't unique to USAID, right? This type of corruption that you've described for us, I mean, I would have to assume the entirety of not just federal government, but state government as well, is rife with this kind of corruption. Yeah, it really is a big problem almost anywhere you go, where you see government bureaucrats with fistfuls of cash dispensing it out to people. And it's no surprise if you look at the, you know, what we call the aid industrial complex,

which was basically the U.S. aid and all its industry contractors, lobby, et cetera. you also have the military industrial complex. A similar thing, you have companies hiring all sorts of people straight out of the government. And in many cases, the only reason is that those people have a Rolodex full of people in the government who can help steer things. You know, we're seeing it now with these tech companies moving into the D.C. area, you know, building massive complexes. they clearly are trying to influence the contracting process. And hopefully now that we have new leadership at a place like the FBI, that they may pursue more of this,

more of the antitrust legislation. But I mean, this is another reason why we should be very careful of government spending because the more of spending there is, the more likely are to have some of this waste fraud and abuse. Okay, I want to go back to USAID. So we've talked directly about the crazy type of things they were funding. Then we talked about the corruption. But I want to go into sort of their mission externally and internally.

So let's start with externally. Like we, I know at some level, USAID is going into perhaps third world countries or wherever they may be, war zones, and helping out in terms of humanitarian need. but is that the extent of what USAID does across the world? Yeah, well, USA does a lot of different things, and some of it is the sort of life-saving humanitarian assistance, and a lot of that spending has actually been allowed to continue now in the Trump administration. Although I should point out, even that type of assistance is not always as benign as you might think, because what often happens is the money's going into political area, and political

actors may use this for their own game. Syria, Gaza, for example, you're not being purely humanitarian. Somebody's going to probably benefit and someone's going to lose when you put that money in. Then we have development assistance, which is aimed at longer term development in many countries. And some of that can be beneficial to me. It's useful to us if countries, for example, have developed to the point that they're better able to prevent illegal migration out of their country to this country. And so there is some value to it, but a lot of it, especially under the Biden administration, ends up being put towards things that are really, you know, pretty far from what most people would think could be development, you know, climate change, transgender arts,

you know, that kind of stuff is, you know, I think most Americans, even a lot of Democrats would say a lot of that going on there is frivolous. And you also have funding of media. And a lot of time, that's questionable too, because you're also getting into politics. And we've seen a lot of governments complaining about USAID funding of media that is, they view as disruptive or hostile to them. How responsive is USAID to changes in political direction versus like, what? What we're debating right now in America is the constant, it's what we've come to call permanent Washington, which is a permanent bureaucratic class that is basically insulated from firing

or failure and continues on in a direction regardless of who the president is. And right now, I think Elon Musk said this very well, like, if you have that class going, no, we're not doing what the president, it was actually Stephen Miller that laid this out really well. We're not doing what the president's directives are. Then what you have is not a democracy because the president is elected as a democracy. They're a bureaucracy that's consistent. So how responsive in your experience is something like USAID, two, changes in the political landscape? Yeah. So in the first term where I served in USAID, the bureaucracy was very resistant to presidential direction. That's one of the reasons I wrote this book is because the,

The Trump administration, first of all, was late getting people into the agency and then didn't have enough people. And some of the people there were not vigilant enough. And so what happens in that case is the bureaucrats end up making a lot of the decisions. And they're also very good at slow rolling things. So when you would say you want to do something, they'll come up with a million different excuses and say we have all these reviews we have to do. And so there was a great deal of pushback at USAID the first term. and a lot of things didn't happen because of that. And that's why I think you're seeing such a tough and different approach taken.

And USAID was, to some extent, a poster child of this, which is why it was one of the first agencies targeted. But clearly, new administration decided that business as usual, where you're trying to get the career bureaucrats to do everything, is not going to get us where we need to go, and we need to assert greater control. And we need to push out some of the worst of the bureaucrats. Let's go back now.

Okay, so the way I'm seeing this conversation unfold for you and me is we talked about corruption. We also talked about the role the USAID is playing externally in other countries. And you laid out, you know, when you're funding media or you're picking winners and losers, you're kind of taking political sides often. What about internally? Like, in the United States of America. What about USAID funding? Like, we saw stories, I don't think they were all true about. different media, whether or not it was, you know, Politico or, you know, I don't know,

there was some jokes about different Hollywood stories and everything that were being funded. How much influence were they exerting internally in America? Yes, well, they do give a lot of money to NGOs that are based in the United States. And traditionally, most of those are left-wing NGOs. And that's, again, a problem that I think new administration is really focused in on is that even in the first Trump term, political appointees often didn't have a handle on this. And so you had all of these powerful NGOs getting money. And so much do work, but other stuff is more sort of general research. And a lot of these NGOs have been resistant to what Trump administration

wants to do. And for those who haven't been to Washington, go into Washington and see how many lavish offices these NGOs have. And they have experts all over the place pushing their views they and I think they will send people on these various protests and you know what we suddenly see people mobilizing around an issue and you're wondering why that happened and so this whole constellation of NGOs has been very powerful and of course it also has a lot of influence on the mainstream media because they look to these people for ideas and you were you were at USAID you were president Trump's appointee right to U.S. I was one of the political appointees. I mean, I didn't get there until 2018 because the first

administration was just not prepared. That's, you know, night and day difference this time where day one they had all these people showing up. There was nobody going to USAID for months at the beginning of 2017. And your contention in your book, right, is that you found corruption, at least among a handful of people at USAID. And by exposing that corruption, then then you got run out. Yes, they targeted me and claimed I had published classified information, which was spurious and for a number of reasons. But the main point here is that instead of going after the corrupt people, they actually

target the people who report the corruption. And this is how you get a highly corrupt organization, because when people see that, you know, the next guy is not going to stand up and say, oh, yeah, here's, corruption. He's going to keep his mouth shut because he's going to get in trouble. And you see this problem of whistleblower retaliation, a lot of federal agencies. USA is bad. I mean, Veterans Affairs is another example where they have this history of punishing whistleblowers. And so that's something that certainly the new Trump administration is addressing. All right. So the book that you have out, it's entitled Masters of Corruption, how the federal bureaucracy sabotage the Trump presidency. While

I was looking back on the first term of President Trump. It's certainly apropos of things we're discussing and focused on today when it comes to USAID and your direct experience then. So check out the book. And Dr. Mark Moyer, we appreciate you jumping on with us today. Hey, great to be with you, Will. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Okay. I got some of your comments here. Loaded up, ready to go. When we come back, plus I need to introduce you to the new member of the family. Next on The Will Cain Show. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes. We ask people on the streets of New York City to play along.

Let's see how you do. Take the quiz every day at thequiz.com. Then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world.

Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast.com. B.J. Dami on YouTube says, I'm going to go out and buy lottery tickets. I said months ago, Joy would be joining the other. unemployment line soon and here we are it is the will cane show streaming live at foxnews.com on the fox news youtube channel and the fox news facebook page always on demand by subscribing at apple or on spotify all right fellas uh it's official now hey come here saint we have a new member

of the family i don't know if you guys back in new york can see him hey this is uh for anybody i'll control the camera on what's that there you go i didn't even know you had control my camera There he is. Hey, come here. Look up there. Who's that? Yeah. Welcome, buddy.

He returned home on Friday. Saint is about a year to a year and a half old. I'd give him 70 pounds right now. Black and tan, Doberman. You can see him right. He got his ears done. So well-behaved. Where are you going, buddy?

He's a good boy. Watch this. Saint, come here. Wow. Sit. Sit. Hold on. I got to stand up. Come here.

Sit. There he goes. Nice. Yeah. Good boy. He's been at discipline camp for a month. And he, you zooming in, everybody can see I'm barefooted. Sorry, he was on the show two days. Sorry.

He, he, he, he, uh, so we got Saint on Christmas, right? So I think I told that story. I did not put him on social media. I didn't, he didn't have a coming out party like this. And here's why. Who, it was rough the first couple of days with Saints. Yeah. You know, um, he was fixated.

What are you looking at me? He's trying to figure out what we're telling. Don't tell. He's like, don't tell. Don't tell this part. He was fixated on my other Doberman Violet. He wanted nothing but to hump her all day, every day. That's it.

He couldn't focus on anything else. You could see in windows that he's a good boy and that he's smart, but you couldn't get his attention. I mean, I've never seen anything like it. My man could not. He could not. If she moved, like if they were laying down and she just, repositioned herself on her bed

he was up like ready to go so he went away for a month he was fixed in that month and he got discipline training great discipline training seems great

it's a handsome pup he's great man he's he sits stays he's awesome on a leash now I mean he understands the word place that means go to your place and lay down you can't leave it until

you give him a command to come off of it and for anybody think about breaking into my house good luck to you yeah heck yeah this dude here ain't gonna be messed with now we got two of them um in the house yeah so he's official i'm i'm gonna i guess i'll i it was touch and go like i don't know if i need to put him on social media because i don't want to have to reel it back if this doesn't work out with violet yeah of course you know like she was miserable for the first two weeks he was with us she was miserable but now they're they're getting to be buddies it's working out good well behaved so yeah he's a good boy he's big do you guys know the difference so there's there's four

colors of dobermans okay there's black i think they call it red but they come off as brown there is what they call blue which is the recessive gene of a black one and they kind of come off like a little dark grayish and then fawn and that's what violet is she's like pretty much gray and she looks like a whimeriner she doesn't have her ears done like he does either yeah so but there's two different strains of dobermans as well european and american and violet's american and here's my quick uh low down on that american are thinner sleeker in their head and their body and in my opinion they're more athletic they are like watching her run and do stuff is incredible he is bigger block your head

europeans are bigger they can get up to a hundred pounds big blocky head which you can see and thick legs and paws like he's a little heavy footed compared to her and a little clumsy he'll run into stuff but um we thought he was american when we first saw him but i i wanted american but he's europe i'm pretty sure he's european maybe some mix of them that's the only color of doberman i've really seen i think that i've ever known what he is well this is the this is the stereotypical yeah of course right this is the this is the the dominant dominant gene no recessive genes this is the magnum pi you know zeus and apollo look is my third doberman my first that got me on to the breed leon was like this but he was american go ahead two days how big will he get what's

the weight did you say I don't know. That's the big question. He's hungry. So I can tell, like, if I start feeding him a lot, I think he's going to pack it on. I'm not sure, though. My suspicion is he's going to go to about 90. $85.90 is my suspicion.

It's a big pup. Yeah. Big boy. He's a good boy. So that's Saint. Heck, yeah. Welcome. Of the family.

Welcome, Saint. And he's off. All right. Here's some of your comments. Richard Henry. says every day we're unburdened by what has been. That's a reference to Joy Reid. No, that's a reference to Kamala Harris.

No, it's got to be that's got to be in reference to Joy Reed. Yeah, exactly. Using Kamala Harris's line. Yeah, but I have that line if you want to hear, if we want to reference what they're talking about. Go for it. It's the pursuit of doing things better than we have done and seeing what is possible

unburdened by what has been. We see what can be. unburdened by what has been That's my favorite You forget how much the tone really makes it So we're unburdened Now by Joy Reid Kevin K on YouTube says

He misspelled it He's spelled it Woppy Instead of Whoopi Whoopi needs to be next Something's gonna happen at the view So the reports are that they got I got the hiccups They got the messages from on high

that do you think there's a big Will Kane show TV audience that started to check us out and they're like his dog's on the show he's barefooted and he has the hiccups on air like this is a totally different show it's real it's real you know we don't hide behind yeah 100% um yeah the executive said for them to tune it tune it down uh the anti-trumpism So people can't change, though. I mean, there's two different types of people in this business. There are those that are believing what they do and those that are doing it for their career.

And I think Trump has exposed both types, right? And I'm always surprised by the people I've found out in retrospect are the ones that will change their tune as needed by the bosses. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if they're told to be less anti-Trump, they'll suddenly be less anti-Trump.

But I think the ladies of the view, like Joy Behar, Whoopi, Goldberg, Sonny Hosten, they can't pivot. They say what you will, but I think they believe what they're saying. Yeah, totally. They're legitimately insane. Speaking of doing this for a living,

when you take a minute and say, for those you haven't heard the news, Dan Bongino, conservative, radio host, podcaster, very successful, like number one. one, right, or at least top three, has given it up. He's given it up by accepting the position as deputy director of the FBI. What are you laughing at, the hiccups?

Yeah, sorry, got me. Want me to scare you? I don't think that's going to work. Damn. I don't know what I need. Our viewership's down. But. Is it?

No. Might be. No. That's not going to scare you. Look what they put on the comment board. Oh. Think about how much Dan Bongino gave up to go get this government job. A lot of money.

A lot of money. I don't know how much, but making a lot of money. For that matter, so was Heggseth. You got some guys giving up really high-paying jobs to go serve their country. Bryce Cooley says Read Out Couldn't get more accurate than this Wasn't that the name of her show?

Readout? Yeah, the readout. She's out. And Audie Joe says Will Kane has the best intro. Thank you, Audie. I don't know what that is. The music they're talking about?

Probably. I don't know. Are you going to start recording some music for us two days? I am. I started working on with a buddy doing some guitar riffs. Do you want singing or do you want just music?

Do you want, like, a hook? I want singing. Yeah, okay. I want singing. Okay. I want comedy songs. Oh, you want comedy songs, okay. Do you enjoy a read one?

Yeah. Read out. Saints walking around. Read out. Saints walk around all the electronics. If we go off air and dark, we know why. If we go dark, it's just saints unplugged something. Congratulations to Dan Bongino and to the FBI and to the United States of America.

I think it's really good. Dan's a true believer. I'll tell you that. And you want to shake up the FBI just like we're shaking up every other federal institution. This is a big step in that direction. Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, that's going to be shaking up the FBI. What's up, James? What would you say to the folks who might say, hey, this is a really big jump for Bonino?

to go from hosts to this. We're not talking about just a talk show host. We're talking about a guy who was in the Secret Service. And for those also talking about, I mean, he definitely has what he believes, and he's laid it out for years. But he, I mean, he protected President Obama's life, right? So he understood what it is to do your job,

regardless of how you personally feel or your partisan viewpoints. So the other thing is about these. guys that take a leap whether or that's hegs set or bonjino i'm just out on the idea that a career of bureaucracy is what qualifies you to continue or change the bureaucracy it's just not a way to change it and that harvard harris poll i was referencing earlier the people are ready for this some change they're ready for getting rid of government waste they're ready to get rid of the unnecessary jobs how about elon musk sending the email to all the federal government employees i need a five point i need a five point explanation of what you did last week or consider it your lack of

reply or resignation damn i mean whether whether or not that's smart and whether not everybody's going to um abide by it because i saw some reports like the dod and the fbi actually wouldn't do that um we all i i with that conversation with dr moyer i i like the focus on corruption and fraud and it's important but it's only the starting point like the idea that our government should be run efficiently shouldn't be controversial and we we would all i think left right everyone acknowledge look at the bloat in government look at the size of it it's the one institution that never corrects itself markets up markets down the government always grows you know and does that mean do we really think that everybody doing

their work is doing it efficiently or well have you ever been to a dmv you know have you dealt with the Postal Service and no insult to some individuals that work in those institutions, but they know the institution they're involved in. Somebody said, the government should be more like SpaceX than Boeing, right? So, even if it doesn't go full SpaceX, a pivot back away from Boeing and the way it's been done, I think it's something the public is ready for. It will cause disruption in the same way Bonjino and Patel will cause disruption to the FBI. It will cause disruption.

But it's creative disruption, creative destruction, because the creation is then on the private sector to unleash all of us and the money that we're having to pay ultimately to the government to get inefficient things done. All right, that's going to do it for me, Two a Days, Young Establishment James and Tinfoil Pat and Saint today here on the Will Kane show. Real quick, what's up, Two A Days? I just want to say it just before we go out, yeah, someone said Doberman's Barefoot and Hickups, my kind of host. Hell yeah And the truth is The hiccups are because of Zen So now you're getting the full picture

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