Will Cain Country - Kamala Takes Cheap Shot At Trump! PLUS, Jessica Tarlov On Harris' Agenda

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

Story #1: Vice President Kamala Harris calls former President Trump a "coward," as she rolls out her socialist price control plan. Standing in her way is the late economist Milton Friedman and common sense. Story #2: Live from the Democratic National Convention in Chicago: Will and co-Host of The Five, Jessica Tarlov debate the Kamala Harris agenda. Story #3: The crew discusses Will's Zach Bryan concert and whether or not he can be compared to Taylor Swift. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, and always on demand, wherever you get your audio. Just hit subscribe at Apple or Spotify and listen to The Will Cane Show whenever and however you like. We're heading over to YouTube. Drop the text description underneath this live stream. Find the subscribe button and you can always watch the Will Kane show on YouTube. We've got a big show to you today with the Democratic National Convention kicking off in Chicago. And with that, we'll bring on the five's Jessica Tarlov here in just moments to tell us

what she thinks about the hype, the excitement around Kamala Harris. I am fresh off a day off this past weekend. I got Sunday off because Saturday night I went to Zach Bryan. I told you guys in New York. I went to Zach Brian. What I didn't really plan for was that I was really helping the Zach Bryan merchandising revenue. We came out of that.

my wife, my son, myself, I think three people, seven T-shirts, seven Zach Bryan concert t-shirts, you're welcome. You're welcome, Zach. You're welcome AT&T. We'll talk about that concert and a little bit of interaction with you guys and see how your weekend went. Talk to you guys, the Wallycia here coming up on the Wilkins show. But first, let's get after it with story number one. Kamala Harris over the weekend and speaking to supporters appeared to call former President Donald Trump a coward. Headline reads, 2024 showdown. Harris appears to call Trump a coward in a campaign trail appearance at Fox News.com. Vice President Harris on Saturday labeled former President Trump a coward, speaking to a crowd of staff, volunteers and supporters at a campaign field office in

Beaver County just outside of Pittsburgh. Quote, this campaign is about a recognition that, frankly, of the last several years, there's been this kind of perversion that has taken place, I think, which is to suggest that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down, when what we know is that the real true measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up, said Kamala Harris. it's an interesting rhetorical flourish and one not without some sentimental or philosophical kernel of truth strength is not just beating someone down strength is not insults strength is who you inspire strength is who you lift up but strength and cowardice are most obviously defined by the choices

one makes action now words are you lifting up or are you beating down with how you run for president one could easily argue that marks of strength would be taking on hostile interview after hostile interview taking on adversarial question after adversarial question giving press conferences interviews welcoming debates no matter the time no matter the place no matter the venue one could argue that a mark of strength is Surviving an attempted assassination, shot through the year, standing up immediately and imploring your crowd to, quote, fight, fight, fight. One could argue those are pretty obvious traits of strength.

And I think one could easily similarly argue that going on 30 days of a campaign, without granting a friendly interview, without taking on much more than a few questions in a press gaggle, with never giving an open press conference, trying to control the outlets, the time, the place, and the moderators of a debate, running a candidacy on vibes

and the protection of a media partnership that is ensuring a positive image would be marks of cowardice. would be how Kamala Harris is running for president. The only real bold measure from Kamala Harris and her candidacy so far one month in are the scant economic proposal she gave us last week. Kamala Harris gave one particular proposal

that at a minimum we can call bold. Last week, Harris, in response to inflation, inflation caused under this administration's inflation reduction, Act, stimulus spending bills, promise to take on inflation day one. And how? Through price controls, she promised to go after grocers, price gouging, that industry making one and a half percent margins in profit, the average private industry making somewhere around 8 percent margin in profit, grocers, making one and a half percent, according to Kamala Harris, are price gouging. So she promises to put in controls to ensure

that none of these greedy grocery corporations or food manufacturers are getting more than their 1.5%. This is a well-worn historical path. We know, almost like dominoes, how one domino knocks down the next. You start with running a government deficit, spending,

putting more money into the economy than goods and services are capable of soaking up, printing money, This in turn causes inflation. Inflation rising at one point during the Biden-Harris administration to 9%. Again, this is a well-worn historical path that we've seen from Latin American country to Latin American country. When inflation spikes, then central banks have to do something to try to mop up that money. How do they do that?

They raise interest rates. We've seen interest rates here in the United States go 7, 8%. When interest rates go up, it makes it harder for the borrower to buy a home, to take on credit card debt. so people rack up more debt because they're paying more in interest and like the public sector like the government the private citizen also now starts to live in a deficit with debt they're hurting the economy is become their major concern and despite the fact that you could point to markers like an unemployment rate that suggest oh no we're doing fine in the economy you get this sense of insecurity and you can see why there'd be this insecurity or why people would say yeah my number one

issue is the economy. I don't feel good about the economy. It's not because the media keeps telling you the economy is bad, because people know how they legitimately feel and they feel insecure as prices rise and they mount up debt. In steps, the government. We're going to institute price controls. We're going to make sure that you don't keep paying more for eggs. And what happens after price controls? After the domino, domino, domino, we know the next domino. Food shortages, bread lines. gas lines. It's happened over and over. And it's been explained by true economic geniuses as to why this command and control economy is a certain historical failure. Here is economist Milton Friedman. It is a device that governments have repeatedly resorted to to try to cover up

the effects of their own policies. It is offered as a cure for inflation. It is not a cure for inflation. It has never been a cure for inflation. It is an alleged cure that is far worse than the disease because its effect is to repress the symptoms, to repress the consequences of the more basic force. And this is exactly what's happened here, not just across the globe, but at home in the United States. In the 1970s, the Nixon administration put in a general will freeze on wages and the price of goods. No one for 90 days was allowed to raise the price of any particular good or wage. And it did for a moment repress inflation. But what happened is the minute these price controls are lifted, you get an explosion of inflation because, as explained

by Friedman, you have simply repressed the natural inclination of a market. There's no single genius. This is always the failure. This is the ignorance. It's the kind of ignorance that comes only along with hubris. You think you're a genius, but you're actually a buffoon. If you think that you are smart enough to understand the millions of choices made every day by consumers, every little choice, every time you go to the store, every time you buy something, it's a vote. I like this product. I don't like that product. I like this price. I don't like that price. Every single choice you make throughout your day is a vote. capitalism isn't perfect it makes mistakes there are bubbles there's greed there's fraud they make there's such thing as a market correction we get recessions in capitalism because we can have manias we can have consumers over index irrationally at time in one particular market it's not perfect capitalism but it's smarter than any one individual or any politburo of proposed geniuses who will tell you the price of bacon in santa

New Mexico. No one has the capability of enough inputs to understand the right choice in place of millions of choices. So that happened in the United States in the 1970s. On Friday night, I guest hosted Jesse Waters' prime time. We shared it a fascinating example of what's happened to Venezuela. Do you know in the 1970s into the 1980s, Venezuela was the fourth largest economy in the world. Oil rich. Bigger than Canada. Bigger than Canada. bigger than most of the countries in Europe. People in Venezuela lived good lives. They drove nice cars. They owned nice homes. They went to the zoo. They went to the movies. In the 1990s through a populistist, Hugo Chavez, Chavez Institute, all of the same controls we are talking about

here today with Kamala Harris and more. But he put in price controls, command and control economy. Today, Venezuela is the 156th biggest country in terms of GDP, from fourth to 156th, to bigger than European countries to just above Uzbekistan. Those zoos that people used to visit, now people raid and kill the animals for food in Venezuela. And of course, the most famous example of this is the Soviet Union. Bread lines in the Soviet Union, toilet paper, lines in Venezuela. Gas lines in America in the 1970s. We know how these dominoes fall. And so, it's so ridiculous, so bold, so lacking in humility, so ignorant that even the likes of the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN, have all criticized from the editorial board

in many of those instances like the Washington Post, this proposal from Kamala Harris, all of a sudden it looks like she can't get away with verbal tics and the repetition of words that make her sound like she's giving a book report on a book she has not read. Here she is explaining her embrace now

of the child tax credit. The return on that investment in terms of what that will do and what it will pay for will be tremendous. We've seen it when we did it the first year of our administration and we reduced child poverty by over 50%. So that's a lot of the work. And then what we're doing in terms of the tax credits, we know that there's a great return

on that investment. When we increase homeownership in America, what that means in terms of increasing the tax base, not to mention property tax base, what that does to fund schools, again, return on investment. I think it's a mistake for any person who talks about public policy to not critically evaluate how you measure the return on investment. somebody taught Kamala return on investment you're not just going to get away with that all of a sudden because it's a reminder of who Kamala Harris is she was the furthest left voting senator in the united states senate and she was somebody a month ago that nobody thought was ready for prime time

now she steps out in the smallest of stages and offers one policy proposal and you're reminded she's not ready and she's far left and that's where you arrive at cowardice knowing that you your candidate is incapable of a serious discussion of how to solve America's problems. She will now retreat to protection. She will now retreat to the Democratic National Convention. She'll now retreat to vibes. And I would imagine that would be a stronger definition of cowardice. Let's break it all down with the fives, Jessica Tarlov next on the Will Cain Show with story number two. She is one of the co-hosts of the five. It's Jessica Tarlov here on the Will Cain Show, live from Chicago, Illinois for the Democratic National Convention.

Hi, Jessica. Hey, well, how are you? Well, you're fired up. How's it feels? I feel. It feels like I bet most of the time you're playing an away game, Jessica, when you're on Fox. And now you're here at the DNC. It's like, you get a home game.

I get a home game. I have my colleagues saying, can we walk around with you? which never happens. It certainly didn't in Milwaukee. No, it's really nice. And I'm sure you've heard from people. The weather is perfect. And there's nothing better than Chicago in the summer

when it's not too hot. And the weather gods are on our side this week, for sure. I told you this, Jessica. But just getting started. I told you this the other day. I may have told you on air, but somebody came up to me at the Patriot Awards and said, hey, tell Jessica how much I appreciate her,

understanding the away game nature that Jessica Tarlov plays on a regular basis. But now all of a sudden I'm curious. I really do you, when you walk around the RNC, people don't, I'm talking about viewers. Do they come up and say, I hate you, Jessica? No, do they? Never. And sorry, I know I'm looking really weird between the camera and a little iPad so I can see you. No, the people at the RNC, the Fox viewers, the delegates, all of them were an utter delight.

And I talked about this all the time. What I think makes Fox so special is that we're a personality-driven network and that people get to know us. They know how old our kids are. They know what kind of pets we're into. We know if we, you know, don't like certain kinds of foods. And that was really on display. So all of the Trump supporters that I met in Milwaukee come up to me and just be like, how is Clio? How is Baby Teddy?

Let's talk about something that unites all of us. And, you know, they get in a little, like, you know, a lot. I'm a fan of Judge Piro's. I'm like, I'm a fan of Judge Piros, too, but she talks nonsense. And then we can talk about children. So it's all fantastic. And I think the DNC will be the same. Oh, well, but I don't know if it'll be the same.

I'm curious if when you walk her in the DNC, you get a few more high fives, though. But see, the problem is all those people are watching MSNBC and CNN. Yeah. I want to know how the liberals will treat you at the DNC. I mean, so far, so good. But I think that what will be the interesting relationship to see is, you know, how liberals that are here for the convention interact with Sean, right, or with Jesse or Piro, people with these big personalities that they're kind of trained to hate from clip culture. And then they realize, like, oh, I probably would love to have a beer with Sean. And I hope that it's the same as I was treated in Milwaukee.

It just makes, you know, for a better experience for everybody. I hope so I want to hear about that story I also like that word I've never heard that before clip culture that's 100% what we live in clip culture you listen to more than a clip of what I had to say you listen to more than a clip of what I had to say today about Kamla's economic proposals you by the way not many people may know this

you went to the London School of Economics so we'd like to believe you come at this with some level of expertise I you heard me say Jessica this proposal was in a way that honestly I was shocked Like I said to my co-host this weekend, Pete Hanksette and Rachel Campos Duffy, I'm like, I'm surprised the Washington Post and the New York Times are criticizing her proposal for price controls.

You know, we get pretty cynical, Jessica. Part of me is like, hmm, why are they criticizing her? They're usually running cover for her. But so what is your reaction there to her proposal for price controls to fight inflation? Yeah, so first I'm going to tackle the media pushback part of this. And this is one of those things that if you're a Republican or a conservative leaning person, you just don't have the same perspective. But majority of liberals do not feel like the New York Times, for instance, is, quote, on our side. And there's tons of evidence of this going back to like the Hillary Clinton email server story came out of there, uranium one came out of there, and that there's this feeling from, quote, liberal leaning outlets that in order to seem fair and balanced, that they have to sometimes unnecessarily.

go after Democrats. So I'm just putting that out in the ether as a thing that exists, and you might think that's completely insane. But that is how a lot of people on my side feel. But moving to the price controls part of it, obviously if you look at history and you went through a number of these examples, and I'd say most people are predominantly familiar with the Soviet example, there's going to be a food scarcity issue if you're actually enforcing it in those ways. But my understanding, and again, this is light on detail, right, from her about this, and I do expect there to be more, is that she doesn't want to do this as a price controls proposal, that this price gouging is really about antitrust enforcement. And that's

something that was a big priority for her when she was in California. And so I would like to see how that plays out. But there was a report out of the FTC in March called, I think, Americans feeding their families in times of crisis about how much more chains like Kroger, Walmart, Tyson, were charging beyond the supply chain issues. So we all know there were supply chain problems the last few years, but they were going to a price gouging level. And I know that the corporate profits, you went with 1.5%, I think, is what you were saying.

But the FCC had evidence that it was far and above that level. And so I think that's where Kamala is coming from this. But it's obviously price controls is not a popular idea amongst Democrats or Republicans, fundamentally. All right. I want to address both those. So let's do the media for a moment, and then we'll come back to her price controls proposal.

So I don't totally disagree with you, Jessica, when it comes to the media. I know, I'd like to think I don't live in a bubble, but we all do, to some extent, it's unavoidable. And so what we try to do is burst the bubble as often as possible, right? And so, you know, I like self-awareness. I look in the mirror and I don't tell myself I look great. I tell myself all my problems so that I can improve upon my problems, whatever they may be. But I'd like to think the same thing when it comes to ideology or perspective.

And that's why I like having someone like you come on the show here. And just as a side note on that, Jessica, it's interesting because I've been doing it more. Like I had no Mickey Const on when I've sat in for Jesse last week. I had Patrick Murphy on this weekend. And I really like it. I saw the clips. But there's a lot of people that don't. And there's a lot of people that don't, Jessica, like.

Like, I get feedback, why do you put that person on? Why do you let that person talk or whatever it may be? And it's just not how I believe. It's not how I work. And the point of it is self-awareness. So in interest of self-awareness, I do know, Jessica, that many on the left don't feel that the New York Times is as left or on your team, as the right feels they are on your team.

And I would say there's a difference between the New York Times and MSNBC. Okay, like they're not one and the same. But it's still that the New York Times. If we're going to say that MSNBC is, you know, 100 or 90% in support of Democrats or whatever it may be on the team, I still think the New York Times is 60 to 70% and they're trying, they're trying to get that down to your point from 80%. Why are they not like MSNBC?

I think you have the right analysis. They don't want to be perceived as on the team, so they course correct. But from a conservative's perspective, they course correct back to about 70, 65%. It's not fair in ballots, 50-50. They're on your team 70% of the time. Yeah, I'd be willing to give it that.

I just think that maybe the 30, 35% that isn't going our way is so massive that it can have this ripple effect on an election. Now, it is not the job of the New York Times to ensure that Hillary Clinton wins the presidency. That I fully understand that. But I think that, especially in the Trump era, there has been this desire to be fairer to him than it was perceived his original shake that he got, but also to be amplifying the stories of Trump voters, sometimes to, you know, the detriment or to the exclusion of stories of, like, Biden's deep support in 2020. That was something that we were seeing and really feeling that there were all these stories

about, like, these Trump voters are definitely going to come out, like hell or high water. well, who is the Joe Biden voter? Well, it turns out it's the majority of people who turned out to vote, right? We won by 7 million votes. So the fact that they want to amplify this other thing and a lot of people think it is so that they can kow to Republicans, make sure that they can get the interviews that they want, that they'll get called on in the press briefing room, you know, by a Kaley, by someone who's up there during the Trump administration is something that's very top of mind for liberals. But 65, 70 percent seems very fair to me. All right. And then to the price controls, the idea that Kamala Harris is bringing this to the forefront, not because she wants to institute a command and control economy. I don't even like saying the Soviet Union because there's this thing where conservatives mention communism. And it closes ears immediately because quite honestly it's been thrown around. The aspersion has been thrown around way too often. But that doesn't mean it's like paranoia. you know, sometimes you're paranoid because you should be.

You think it's right to be paranoid. Now, when I have a candidate talking about price controls, I think we're down this path. Like, we're headed here. But I won't go all the way to the Soviet Union because I don't want ears to close. So I think Venezuela is a pretty good example of like what happens to an economy when you do this stuff. And so you're proposing, she's not taking us down the path of Venezuela. She's trying to say, I've got this FTC report where, and I don't have that in front of me, Jessica.

I can't say what Kroger's margins were above the one and a half percent, right? I don't have that. But instead of getting into the fight about what that FTC report would have, I think my response to you has to be, but it's still a total red herring, because that's not what caused inflation. Yes, some element of supply chain issues, but also flooding the market with money

through excess government spending and Federal Reserve printing is what causes inflation. So for her to say, I'm going to control Kroger's price gouging, it's just, A, it totally offloads responsibility from the role of the Biden-Harris administration played in inflation, and B, doesn't solve it for the future. Yeah, so a few things on that. And I'm sure you wouldn't dispute the fact that we have had the best recovery from the COVID pandemic of the industrialized nations, right? So we got inflation under control a hell of a lot faster than Western Europe did, for instance, right?

But that's just irrefutable. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. Yeah, I just don't have those stats in front of me. No, I just don't have that in front of me to compare our inflation rate, decline versus theirs. Yeah. Well, we were well ahead. But I'm not calling BS. I'm not calling BS.

No, no, I appreciate that. Anyway, well, that's great. Thank you. I appreciate it. So the supply chain was a tremendous problem during COVID. And the FTC report is looking backward. over the three years. I think it was like 2021, 2022, and 2023, which is why I came out in March. And we can dig into those numbers, but I don't think we can diminish the impact of the supply

chain. In terms of the Inflation Reduction Act, which I'm sure is what you're thinking of when you say that it catapulted all this inflation because of the spending, it was actually critical in bringing the number down. Our July number was 2.9%. So under three for the first time since March 2021. And investment in communities has been something that people are, A, really into and happy about, but has helped us rebound like that and creating jobs. It's increasing our GDP rate, our GDP rate under the Biden Harris administration. It's much higher than it was under Donald Trump. He's really coming out there with a false picture of how successful he was. Like he talks about things like the black unemployment rate, for instance. And yes, it was low. And then it went even lower

under Joe Biden. And a lot of that is because of this infusion of cash into communities that has allowed for more job growth, cutting poverty, lowering the inflation rate. And I just don't think, you know, I say this to a lot of my colleagues, and I mean it sincerely. Like, Will, if you went out and you were a spokesperson for Donald Trump or for the Republican candidate, you would do a lot better than many of the people in that orbit who can actually engage with these issues and not just slander with its communism, like you just said, or even socialism. But it's not landing because people are not feeling that way about it. So putting aside the price controls policy, when they listen to Kamala Harris and her economic rollout was more than the price gouging bill, right?

She's talking about investing in communities building 3 million housing units. She's talking about lowering prescription drug prices and capping it at $2,000 per annum for everyone, not just Medicare users, the price of insulin, the $35. All of those things are part of the rich tapestry of what she is talking about. And it is a populist platform. And I think that part of what is incensing Trump about this is that she's kind of owning that from him. He thought that he had the edge with it. And he's out there saying things like tariffs aren't a tax on consumers, which everybody in their right mind knows isn't the case. He's saying it's going to deport everybody. There are no explanations for how he's going to be able to do any of the stuff. And no one holds

him to that standard. And that's part of why I think you see the pushback from Kamala's team on this and from Kamala herself. I know that was like many proud for where you are. It's a little rich. It's a little rich saying no explanation of how things will get done when Kamala's really offered nothing. I mean, she's answered no questions, offered no, even even you saying like on the price controls, we have scant details. She's just offering nothing. I mean, she is the campaign running on vibes. listen like give us our vibes we've had a month of this it was obviously a very traumatic period post debate until uh joe biden dropped out of the race and you'll see it if it's not good enough

she's going to sit down for interviews yeah no it was it traumatic metaphorically knifing joe biden in the back was it was it was it metaphorically hard for you guys to i didn't know such thing to banish joe Biden from the island? I think that people who have been close to him for decades, talking to him about what they are seeing and hearing and the fact that a poor performance at the top of the ticket may drag down and cause us to lose the Senate and not be able to take control of the House is not a knife in the back. It's very difficult, honest conversations. And I think that Republicans love to make this into a bigger deal than it is. You know, I hear everything about, you know, What's it going to be like for Joe Biden's going to be like this hurt dog that they took out the primary winner and placed in somebody who it's a big deal.

She was also the primary winner. It was the five-harris ticket. Not for president. I'm sure it'll be written that way, but not because it was a coup. Well, you know what? A coup is a forceful of change in the government. The two are the way to evaluate it. Well, Kamala Harris is also part of the government.

She is a. Oh, then I should have a little bit delay that's enhancing our cross talk. No, it's, it's, for anyone listening, I apologize. We do have a little bit of delay. I want to ask you this before you go, I know because you have an out for some other stuff you're doing today. So you're there, and I'm meaning, I don't think you're going to be just a cheerleader here. So I'm asking you for, like, real honesty. So you're going to have a lot of enthusiasm this week.

There's no doubt about it. It's going to be a great week for Democrats. I think that's how conventions work. What I really would like to know from you is, do you, how deep below the surface of enthusiasm is your insecurity? And what I mean by that is, I think if you're being honest, there is some level of insecurity

with what we're talking about. Like when she's exposed a little more, it all of a sudden go quite as good as the Time magazine cover. Right? So she talks extemporaneously, off script, whatever it may be, there is a sense that does this honeymoon period end, is the enthusiasm, does the enthusiasm wane?

Do you, can you admit that to me and like, like tell me like is it very far underneath under the surface like how confident versus insecure are you based upon her limited exposure it's not so much the limited exposure i think there's a fundamental understanding and she said this yesterday when she was talking to the press gaggle on her bus tour we're underdogs and we know that that's the case no one thinks that we are automatically winning this election we know that we are in a tight race and maybe there's a little edge towards her right now because of this honeymooning period, though it has been a little bit longer than the typical honeymoon, and hopefully we'll get a convention bump too. But yeah, I think that there is anxiety that Kamala

will seem more like the Kamala of 2019 than the Kamala of 2024. But she has been, and I hope you could admit this, much more impressive, even in giving scripted speeches, than you had the impression that she was capable of. And I know a lot of people that, at least in my orbit, have been saying, Why didn't she get more airtime during the first four years of this and, you know, getting more prominent roles and getting to be out there more with voters and really form that connection? Because I think a lot of people have been pleasantly surprised that she's better than they thought that she was. I will admit this as we go out. I think I'm taking Kamala more seriously than some of my friends and colleagues. I think she has a very appealing nature.

I think she's I think she's pleasant looking. has a nice smile. I don't underestimate those shallow things. They play big roles. I think she's youngish, you know, younger than Trump and Biden. And all this is going to help. I think that she's pretty good on script. And if I were you, my big insecurity would be she doesn't do well off script. And they know that. That's why she's not doing interviews. That's why she's not getting putting in the situation. And if I ran her campaign, I wouldn't either. I would never, ever, ever. I'd try to make it to election day without having her exposed in that way. And so I can tell you where she's good.

I can tell you exactly where I think she's bad. And unfortunately, I think the places she's bad reveals more of the real you. That's the real Kamala, not the scripted, photographed Time Magazine cover. Well, we'll be seeing her give interviews, I'm sure, after the convention. Hopefully we will see her at a Fox debate after the ABC debate on September 10th. And I think that people are going to get that kind of exposure. But if we're really being honest about this, every election since Donald Trump ran is about Donald Trump. And Kamala Harris is filling what I would say is a generic D spot right now.

Right. The people who love her, they absolutely love her. But there are a lot of people who are uncomfortable with Biden who now feel comfortable with Kamala. And they say, I don't want Donald Trump. And so I'm happy with this option. And that's not to diminish her at all. That's just the reality of the way that the country is designed. Like, if we had had a primary a year ago, there would have been people who wanted Gretchen Whitmer and people who wanted Gavin Newsom and people who wanted West Moore or Josh Shapiro if he had decided to jump in.

But people are very, people are going to vote for the Democrat or could be persuaded to are very happy with the ticket that now exists. And I think that you're right to not underestimate it. You know, I have to remind, I have to remind Jesse regularly, you know, you told me about, your red wave you got they were going to get 40 seats and then you had to come in here and in a knee crow you know it's politics is revolves around Donald Trump or whether we like it or not I totally agree with that every election sees come on the scene has been a referendum on Donald Trump and what she represented is that Joe Biden could not could no longer be that blank slate as a rejection of Donald Trump he had too many of his own anchors or negative that made it

not so other people would vote for Trump but they they just wouldn't go vote for Joe. And now she's generic. She can be, to your point, generic. She can be the generic rejection of Donald Trump. And that's been what every election is about, pro or anti-Doh. I think your analysis is spot on on that. All right, have fun this week at the DNC.

Thank you. Yeah, hope to see you again. Okay, thanks, Jessica. I really appreciate you coming on the show. There's the five's Jessica Tarlov here on the Will Kane show. All right, the comments are flooding in. I see you guys have a lot to say about Jessica, what she had to say today. about Milton Freeman.

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about Jessica Tarloff in just a moment but we're talking about that price controls I played for you a clip of Milton Friedman Milton Freeman's one of those guys when he speaks on economics just listen and take it to the bank and you know who another one is? Thomas Sol.

Here's what Thomas Soll had to say about this type of economic measures. Watch. There have been many other areas in which they've been price controls. They have a standard, really stereotypical pattern. One is that you reduce the supply of whatever is being controlled. Not surprising since people do less when they're paid less. The other is that you reduce the quality of what's being controlled because higher quality is costlier than lower quality. And when you force the prices down, people then,

reduce the quality of what they're producing. It's really, really smart and good stuff. I mean, so you put in these dominoes, you put in price controls. We're going to get less and worse quality of everything that we have. When you get less, that's in order to maintain the quantity. You get lower quality. But you're going to get less everything. This is where you get the bread lines, the gas lines.

I mean, this is what the 1970s looked like after Nixon put in none of these price controls as well. I mean, you had gas lines four hours long. People lined up on the streets. You can see the images. Go look at this on the Internet. You can see people lined up waiting hours to get gasoline. Of course, famously, people standing in line for half their day to get their ration of bread in the Soviet Union. And you've seen the video of, like, empty store shelves in Venezuela.

You heard first about the toilet paper, but it became everything in Venezuela. This is the path. You know, I did say this to Jessica, and I believe this. like I do think the right probably tosses around the word communism too much and I'm not here to tell you because it's inaccurate it's like it is the end of the road and so if you ever point out hey we're on a road

and someone says and this is what the road looks like down the way it's not inaccurate the problem is people stop listening you know as you travel down the road so you've got to find new ways to help people understand what we're doing here but this road that we're on is a well-worn path. There's no doubt about it.

And the historical example is too real. And the clips from Kamala Harris. Beyond, forget this, forget for a moment. Like, there's the road signs while we're on the road. Price controls, you know, the different measures being put into place. And for what it's worth, Jessica brought up that she's talking about, you know, insulin prices or prescription drug prices. Okay, I get that. I get that's very appealing.

But that's changing the American economy, and by extension, the American electoral process into something like they have in the U.K. Like, when they vote in the U.K., they vote on who's going to make it cheaper for statins, whatever. Whatever is the hot topic drug or medical procedure because their government is a giant health insurance industry with an army. That's what the government, and that's what people famous say about America now as well. you look at what our spending is on you know it's an entitlement programs and an army that's that's the bulk of american spending so that's who your government is so they vote there based upon just the smallest minutia of economic management over the price of insulin that's like government is deeper bigger more important in our lives than that because it can dictate culture how we think of

ourselves our self-sufficiency our risk tolerance as a people, who we are. And we're morphing into that. Oh, she's talked about $35 cap on. Great, great. But in the meantime, there are clips out there of her saying that we need an equity-based culture and philosophy. And she goes on to say, equity means equal outcomes.

She distinguishes it from equality. She says, here are the road signs right here in front of us, price controls, but way down there down the road. peer down that way. That's what we're ahead. She says, that's where we want to go. Equity. Equal outcomes.

And for someone to then go, whoa, that's communism, is simply listening. Because that's exactly what is communism. That is it. Equal outcomes. She can't, we can't afford for her to simply be, as Jessica, I think accurately described, a blank alternative for yet another referendum on Donald. Trump because she's not blank Foo man

Chupu 86 on YouTube says Jessica is delusional Game of Tunes says Remember Democrats saying you better not impeach Joe You'll be stuck with Kamala That's what they were saying before they got Kamala John Dubinsky says Jessica admits to praying to the climate change

gods Loans everybody Says Jessica please spare us this nonsense Kamala Harris understands economic policy as much as Vladimir Putin understands democracy, L.O.L. Kamala has no clue. And then Irving Brownstone says, I can't stand Kamala Harris. But I don't think Trump has any room to talk or complain when it comes to cheap shots or name calling. He's the king of trash talking too. Yeah. Okay. Fair Irving. But me talking about Kamala calling Donald Trump a coward

isn't about like, oh, such a cheap shot. It's about the accuracy of the insult you know what is the definition of being a coward it might be running a campaign for a month where you don't expose yourself to a single adversarial point of view versus the guy who stands up and yells fight after getting shot in the year so what's the accuracy of the insult all right guys uh back in new york in the militia um so zach brian concert this weekend you want to see you check out what I did

okay you see this yeah you tell that's a Zach Brian t-shirt I couldn't before but now I can yeah I want to show you something the mistake I made

there's another one that make it too here hold on there is this one that's cool I like that one you gotta keep going because we kept going

quitting time tour, right? Did you just fund the entire merch? What are you going to do with all these? Godspeed. And then there's another one that my son's wearing today. We bought every shirt they had. You just not intentionally.

Full in. Yeah, you couldn't decide. Big fans. Big fans. That's great. It was awesome. It was an awesome concert. You know, we went with some folks who are Zach Bryan fans, but maybe not to the level.

And they were like, at the end of the concert, they were like, are we, was that a cults gathering we were just in? Like, everyone around us could sing every single lyric. And that's not easy, by the way. That's not like Florida Georgia lines saying this is how we roll six times in a song. Like, Zach Ryan's choruses are like 15% of his song. You know what I mean? Like the rest of it is you having to keep up with verse. But it was awesome.

Yeah, he's mainly like, he's. a folk artist really like folk is storytelling it's not it's not big hooks and big choruses it's more of like about the story about the lyrics and that's why people like love them so much like Taylor okay that's what Taylor does yeah and a lot of her songs they're so long and they're all like so wordy it's just about like a story it's explaining a story and that's kind of what it is there are big hooks I never knew that about Taylor Swift yeah exactly I've heard him being referred to as like an up-and-coming male version of a Taylor. And it makes sense, too, because they both up and coming.

Like, not there yet, but, like, on its way in the male parallel. Like, Taylor in 2009. He doesn't have the range as she does. Taylor also plays all of her songs with four chords. That's not true. So hold on a minute. Okay, I got to work through what you just told me. So first of all, we were all taken aback.

He's 28 years old, right? and he is selling out AT&T Stadium in Dallas. Now, that's 100,000 seat stadium, but it's not full because when you do a concert, you know, they got to do the stage and all that. So I'm going to say he had 70,000 people there. And there's not, we were talking about this on the way home. There's not many artists that can sell out stadiums, arenas like that.

You know, who opened for him was Jason Isbel. And like three years ago, I'm like, oh, he's bigger than Zach Brian for sure, right? But he was never arena. And we started talking about different people, like, Chris Stapleton. He's huge. He didn't play AT&T when he came to Dallas, I think. He played the American Airline Center, which is a basketball stadium. So now you're looking like 20,000. It's a big leap to 60,000 from a basketball arena for an artist. And I don't think there's a ton that can do that, and it blows us away that at 28, he can do that. And here's what blows me away even more

until what you guys just said. Taylor Swift, for me, and I've got to admit, I don't listen to a lot Taylor Swift so I'm coming from a place of ignorance is very poppy I had no idea she did these big long songs about storytelling I think of her as shake it off right that's what I think of with Taylor Swift and I get how that can become mass popular Zach Brian is folkie he's country and folk Americana kind of together and that has been something I've always been into and that's niche music like I could name others that you guys would never have heard of right who I would have says in roughly the same genre as him like slayed cleaves but you would never have heard of slade cleaves but the so it shocked me that a guy coming out of this genre is selling out stadiums and by the way it's not old people

it's young people it's like like my son was excited he's 16 and he's super into zack brian so i'm like when did young people start because zack is real music start liking real music and and real music become stadium level sellout? I have a little bit of theory on that. I think some of it, especially with young people, is the popularity of it. Popularity begets popularity. You know what I mean? So it's cool to like it.

So it kind of steam rolls and keeps going and going and going. There's some of that. I'm surprised he has commercial appeal at all. He's something I like. Yeah, me too. It's really interesting. And the way he started is fascinating, too, how he got. going but it's just really crazy yeah for anybody listening that doesn't know that story zach brian

is from oklahoma long line of navy sailors grandfather father he was in the navy i think he was stationed in florida i heard him say this at the time and he was just playing around on the guitar and putting videos he said on twitter and on youtube just here and there putting them on and they were kind of like oh get a few views get a few views he said then at one point he did four songs and he uploaded all four of them to YouTube and then kind of forgot about it and he said within like two days some of his his sailor buddies were like oh man you're

you're blowing up right now he's like really and it's famously they say the head and south video where he's kind of sitting outside he's got a pair of shorts on and he's singing head and south is the big breakthrough while he was still in the Navy and then from that moment to like a year and a half later he's playing red rocks

and has sold out crowds maybe not stadium level yet but getting big level commercial appeal. Well, also, so what happened was I listened to an interview with him. He DM'd a bunch of artists he loved, and one of those was the Luminaires. So they reached out, and I think the lead singer of Luminators shared that video, and that's kind of why it blew up. So he kind of helped him out a little bit. Yeah, so the singer of the Luminaires loved him and let him open for them at one point, and that kind of got the ball rolling for him, is what he said in an interview.

But back to Taylor Swift, now for you to say he's the male, up-and-coming male version of Taylor Swift, blows my mind. Because I get that she's commercial appeal, and I'm with Dan on this, this seems like niche Americana music that for some reason got super popular. Maybe I need to listen to Taylor Swift. You know, one of the things Zach Bryan does at his concerts, too, I don't know if he did this on Saturday. But there's a song or two that's so easy to play on guitar that he's comfortable bringing up people from the stage. He's like, you know how to play guitar. You can do these four chords and I'll rip it with you. And neither Zach Bryan or Taylor Swift's music is super complicated to learn how to play.

It's more of the lyrics and the words that connects with a very vast audience. I think Zach's starting to get to that level. I would have said Morgan Wallen would have been over Zach Bryan at this point, but Morgan Wallen, Zach Bryan has kind of taken over that throne for him. Well, no, I think that's one and two in country music right now. Like those are the two biggest acts And Luke Combs would be right there Those three

Would be your three biggest acts in country music right now And they're so different Like Zach is so different than Morgan Wallet That's pop country My social media feed And I like Luke Combs and Morgan Wallen I like that too But at this point

I had Morgan Wallin's walkout With local celebrities at his concert It's always in my social media feed So fast Is it's okay we agree It's so bad right Dude, he does the same little thing. It was cool the first time.

He adjust his earpieces ten times in a hundred-yard walk. You know what I mean? He gives whoever the celebrity is three daps and hugs, man, pro-hugs. They fake two conversations because I know it's loud and he can't hear them. You know, this weekend it was Tom Brady and Mike Tyson in Las Vegas. I saw it. It's ridiculous. Anyway, Zach Brian's great.

I think you should check him out. I guess he's bigger than Stapleton. Back to this top three. Yeah, that's crazy. He's bigger than Chris Stapleton. I highly recommend it. Speaking of this weekend, I was on Fox on Saturday, Fox and Friends. And I was talking about this.

My son went with me. And my oldest son is 16. And I saw this video. It said, my toxic trait is loving on my dog and hugging my dog. and hugging my dog while thinking about the day they're going to be dead while they're still very much alive. So in other words, like just projecting yourself into that, how much I'm going to miss you. That's basically who I am right now as a father. Like he is just about to start his junior year and I'm like, it's over, it's over, you know, never see him again. He's almost gone. And I'm like

weird about it. Like I want to see him. So I talked about it on air. I got this email from a guy name Eric Emerson. I hope Eric doesn't mind me sharing that. And he emails in, in the unlikely event that you get this, we have twin boys, age 16, going to be juniors in high school, and I'm dreading college days. I've been baffled with my response. Overly nostalgic, boredom age finality. Not sure. But I heard your comments this morning in a groggy haze, and I felt less stumped and isolated. Thanks, Eric. See, Eric, we're not alone. Maybe we all feel this way. I'm feeling really Really tough

Guess what My other son Broken foot again Dude why I told Yeah Never fully healed Oh no

I told you guys You broke his foot in the spring Now he's out for three months That's brutal This is a problem Yeah It's a problem All right

Finally Back to your comments When it comes to Jessica Tarlov in our debate over price controls and the economy in Kamala Harris. Lori McWertry says, vibes don't pay the bills. 100% Lori. Naifle says, these commentators are drinking Kool-Aid. Naifle talking about me too.

And then Angela G. says, Jessica assumes she knows what you're thinking. I thought it went well with Jessica. I didn't feel like she was making assumptions about who I. I know exactly what you're talking about where it's like I didn't make those arguments. you're putting those in my mouth or you're arguing somebody who's not here. Jessica didn't do that today. I don't know. I think that was a healthy back and forth.

I agree. And I want to have more of that. We're going to have Patrick Murphy on a little bit later. Former Democratic Congressman, a little bit later this week from the Democratic National Convention. I think it sharpens it. I think it's self-awareness. It sharpens the mind. All right, that's going to do it for today here on The Will Kane Show.

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