Will Cain Country - Karmelo Anthony's New Evidence Could Backfire Badly

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

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But you always follow us at Spotify or on Apple. Post-truth, increasingly, we've come to understand that we live in a post-truth world. We live in a world where people don't care about evidence and they don't care about facts. And when in fact they are confronted with facts, they choose to ignore them. They have a little impact. And I think that has meaning in the news cycle. And I'm concerned in the courtroom. We've had open conversations here at Wilkin Country about whether or not there will ever be a trial on the facts, on the evidence, true justice when it comes to Luigi Mangione.

Or will, in the post-truth world, the image of Luigi Mangione as a political cause and as a hero infiltrate the jury box? Yesterday in the trial of Carmelo Anthony, post-trial hearings, an attempt to get a new trial. Evidence was introduced that showed two things. One, Austin and Hunter Metcalf, the twins. Austin Metcalfe, the murdered. In sixth grade, spray painted on city property phrases like KKK, kill all black people. Hyle Hitler. Austin and Hunter Metcalf had apparently been suspended from school every year for something like seven years.

Second, Carmelo Anthony had texted the morning of the murder that he was low-key on the verge, that he was stalking his ex-girlfriend and carrying a knife. And in the past, recent past, he had texted things like, when I stabbed someone, I want to lick their blood off the blade. Those two stories within the murder trial of Carmelo Anthony jerk us out of the courtroom and into the post-truth world of public relations. The internet will go nuts over the sixth grade words of Austin Metcalf. He'll be painted as a less than sympathetic victim.

In fact, he'll be painted as the aggressor. He'll be painted as the villain. He'll be painted as the worst thing in postmodern society in America, a racist. And then therefore, he'll be painted as a deserving victim. and the words of Carmelo Anthony will be ignored. But the question is, what will matter in the courtroom? What will grant a new trial? And if a new trial were granted, what would matter to a jury?

And on that, we should have definitive answers. On that, we should follow logic and reason, and we should follow the law. The words of Austin Metcalfe as a sixth grader, as a legal matter, have no bearing on what happened under that. tent that day in Frisco. No bearing whatsoever. There is one small asterisk, one small caveat. If there is evidence that Carmelo Anthony knew of Austin Metcalf's past, if he knew of Austin Metcalf's words, then did that increase his fear that day of Austin Metcalfe and therefore justify murder as self-defense. There is no evidence that Carmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf knew each other. There is no evidence that Carmelo Anthony would know what Austin Metcalf had done, not as a junior in high school, but as a sixth grader, some six years prior.

On the other hand, if background and character information enters this trial, the mindset and the words, the day of the murder for Carmelo Anthony, will matter. The mindset in the words of Carmelo Anthony as he carries a knife into a track meet could, should, and probably would lead a jury to believe not that this was justified self-defense, but that it is possible,

this isn't even self-defense, that this is premeditated murder. This is a plan to murder. And if the fight is to get character and background information into the courtroom so that you can win the problem, post-truth world of public relations. You might just be sacrificing your client to life in prison.

You might just be sacrificing your client to win on the outside for Dominique Alexander and to lose once again the life of Carmelo Anthony. This kid is becoming as much of a victim, not as anyone in this case, because he will still walk. He'll walk perhaps through the halls of a federal penitentiary or a state penitentiary. But he has been turned into a victim of the propaganda machine of the post-truth America when the public relations were and advance the career of the likes of Dominique Alexander while getting him a bigger prison sentence. This game that they're playing to get a new trial isn't a game for justice for Camelo Anthony.

It's a game to win X. It's a game to win TikTok. It's a game to win public relations. And the only winners in that aren't the short-term posters in the comment section of this show. The only winner in that entire thing will not be Carmelo Anthony. The only winner will be the race grifters that continue to shove that storyline at the front of a murder trial. That's the latest on the trial of Carmelo Anthony. Today's Dan, 10, foil, pal. What's up, boys?

It's a Friday. And we normally just weave our way sloppily through the news. But I wanted to come in today because I see something happening in real time that is the definition of injustice. I see the post. I see the comments. I see the narrative and the story. And those have nothing to do with the trial. They have nothing to do with justice. Go ahead, Pat. There have been a lot of trials that are that are public and popular where the background of the accused is dismissed, you know, like going back years, you know, and as far as like, you know, did this person, did this person, does this person's background matter, you know, as far as, as far as like, did they commit the crime? And so to, to use that against the person who was deviant. victim is insane to me.

Like, I don't understand what we're doing here, unless it's just to, I just feel like we're going crazy places with how we handle victims in some ways. And also, I... That's because... And also, I think these people who are outside the courtroom don't really care that much about Carmelo Anthony himself. It's not about him. It's about the cause.

It's about everything else. If he goes away for longer, they don't care. That it's just a means to an end for that. right to extend what they believe. The reason this character and background information weren't a part of the original trial because of a quote unquote gentleman's agreement between the prosecution and the defense because they figured this stuff is irrelevant. The prosecution figured they had enough.

They had enough evidence. They had enough proof that what happened under that tent would be clear to a jury. And that proved to be true for the prosecution. So they didn't need to fight to bring in the past of Carmelo. Anthony. The defense also under this gentleman's agreement agreed that whatever Dawson Metcalf did in sixth grade had no bearing on what happened under that tent. Now, the defense is arguing that Carmelo Anthony would have taken the stand in his own defense, but he didn't because he was afraid they would bring in this character and background information if he got on that stand. And in fact,

I think the prosecutor told him it will come in under those circumstances. As you could imagine, should Carmelo Anthony make certain statements, then it would be what you call impeaching the witness, which is to use past statements as a test against your current words for contradictions, for inconsistencies, for color. And you may be you're right, Patrick. I don't know. I would have to dive a little more into the law. I would have to be a little more plugged in on what those words of Carmelo Anthony, if I stab someone, I want to lick the blood off the blade, would have done to a little bit. a potential sentence for Carmelo Anthony. Right.

I don't know. I don't know that it would have changed the charge. I don't know that it would have changed the sentence. Everyone that I talked to is surprised by one fact. Not that these details didn't come out in trial, but that these details didn't come out in sentencing. That's two separate phases of a trial. Guilt and innocent being one phase,

sentencing and punishment being a separate phase. And if a jury had heard these things from Carmelo Anthony in the sentencing phase, they would have been much less sympathetic. He would have been less readily explained away as a mistake-prone teenager. It would have perhaps entered the jury's mind. We're dealing someone with murderous tendencies, sociopathic personality traits. And 35 years ends up, without that information, being a gift. But to your point, Dan, this isn't being driven by what's best for karma. Anthony. It sure as shit isn't being driven by the concept of justice. It's being driven by the

internet. Yes, a few activists outside the courtroom. And yes, the voices of the likes of Dominique Alexander. But this is being driven by the internet that is forcing everyone to pour this case through the filter and funnel of 2018, 2019, 2020. When maybe, because the world was losing its collective mind on race, the outcome would have been different, but been way less just. Yeah, and I mean, it is interesting about the evidence. Like, if they did know each other and if Carmelo Anthony did know about what he had said before, like the racial things, that could be used as motivation, couldn't have it? If he knew about that, he could have gone there to do those things as a motivator,

so it could work against him in that way, too. It's just... That's an interesting point. Yeah. So, who knows? that's an interesting point i i actually understand both the prosecution and defense saying let's just focus on the events underneath the tent and that limited window that day i actually understand that but if you're asking me which one of these two revelations is relevant to a murder

it's the words of carmelo anthony that carry weight do you see they should carry weight yeah do you see anything that could work at all no nothing right no but yeah but yeah No, but as we started this, in the post-truth world of America, I no longer have faith that the courtroom exempts itself. I do think it's one of the better places of America. I think Patrick may disagree with me, but I think it is in no way exempt from the injustice of mob thinking through the Internet and on the streets of America. I think judges have come to reflect the mob. And I worry, as I mentioned, with the case of Luigi Mangione, a jury reflecting the sentiments of the mob. I still feel better.

I'd rather have my hands. I'd rather have my fate in the hands of 12 people in a courtroom than a mob on the street. But that divide is getting less wide. It's getting less obvious, less stark. And like we talked about... Oh, Patrick, don't even make that face. I don't... You would rather be in a courtroom with...

No. Patrick... I completely agree. You'd rather throw yourself on the pitchforks on Congress Avenue. Unapologetically ignorant people.

There are, well, that's the problem. Like, so the 12 in the jury box, we don't have a society where that can work anymore. Like, we literally have changed, changed, everyone is so biased and they bring all their biases in

that there's really, it just doesn't work. What are cases that people, the jury got it wrong, though? like that you could think of. You know? OJ. Well, I know, but in recent history, I'm talking about, with this social justice type of think. You know, people get it right.

The juries get it right in these cases. They got it right, like written house got it right. But that's because, you know, the changes, the biases have seeped in as much in that area, I think. But like in the rest of the country, I mean, you know, if you're in Dallas, I mean, you know, and you're, you know, I just think that there's a lot of, there's so many different viewpoints. Look at Clancy.

Like we were talking about yesterday. Like, what's happening outside of that is completely different than what's happening in the courtroom. You know, there's actual things happening in the courtroom. And none of that outside online matters at all. Hopefully. Same thing with Tyler Robinson. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

Like, they're doing the right thing and they're getting it somewhat right. within that building and not out to it. I hope that's the case. You don't even believe what you're saying. You would not rather have your life in the hands of X than a courtroom. Sometimes the law gets right. A jury of 12 in a courtroom. Let's take a quick break, but continue this Friday edition of Will Kane Country.

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just to be clear that is totally anti-American just totally anti-American that you would That's not true Do you hate the justice system? You would rather submit to mob rule There have been a lot of mob rule

in America history Yeah That's the you know I'm just saying There's little that I hate more than the mob Little that I hate more Than the mindless swarm of human beings passionately sucked into groupthink.

There's little that I like less than a mob. Let's turn to some thornier issues on the personal side of things by taking a trip over to Reddit, where Patrick has provided as some of the hard issues of the day. Let's start with this. My wife writes one poster, posted a joke about me on social media. I'm not laughing. The details. I'm 33.

I've been married to, quote, Natalie for four years. We have a good relationship. She's funny and witty and I've usually love her sense of humor. Last week, she posted a photo of me sleeping on the couch with our cat on my face. The caption said, when your husband is more useful as a cat bed than a human. I saw it when I woke up. I didn't say anything, but it bothered me. Then I looked at her page. She posts jokes about me a lot, about my cooking, about my dad bod, about me forgetting things. She tags me in all of them, and her friends comment laughing emojis. I told her I don't like being the butt of her online jokes.

She was surprised. She said, I'm too sensitive, and everyone knows she loves me. She said it's just her way of showing affection. I get that, but I don't feel loved. I feel mocked, and hundreds of people are watching. Do I ask her to delete the post, or do I just accept this is how she is? It's ironic that he has a cat on his face. Like attracts Like.

Are you calling him a, are you calling him a, P? Yes. Yeah. Do you believe this? Like, he discovered this one when he woke up, but then he went to her page and saw she was doing a bunch of them. So how did the first 10, how did the first 10 slip by the security gate? How did he not know it was happening until he was a dozen deep?

And then how did friends not tell him? Yeah, she's tagging him. But, but, like, to be fair, I don't understand, you know, Instagram at all. So, like, there are things I miss a lot. I hate this type of thing, like these couple weird type of accounts where you just do like pranks to each other and stuff like that. He is being soft, but like I don't like these type of accounts and I don't know, just stupid slop.

I disagree from start to finish. I love prank accounts. Love them. I love a good prank. I love when you scare people. I laugh. That literally, of all the things that makes me chuckle and laugh out loud, like when people scare their coworkers coming around the corner

and they all do funny things like they scream or they do funny Bobby I freaking love it and then I do like some of these these couple accounts where they make fun of each other but they're both in the video like where he impersonates her and how she acts and the things that she says I think those are really funny

I don't I'm not going to accuse this dude to being soft this is this is not cool this is Reddit I think he's soft I'm surprised Will what she's doing I thought you would call him soft You don't use your spouse to be the butt of jokes to get likes on the internet. But that's the world we live in on it. That's the world we live in now.

Unless they agree. No, I don't live in that world. You can make money off of it. No. Who gives a rat's ass? You're not, if he is not in on it, then that is, she's a sociopath. Yeah. And deleted at minimum, maybe divorce, maybe run from her.

This is, like, I want to say women, but people making the most important thing in life, their social media presence and likes is maybe the grossest thing that has inflicted humanity in decades. Agreed. That's part of this core of all these women posting weird videos, same Lindsay. They're doing it for attention. And, man. It's a drug. I don't know if I lived in a world growing up that I was naive to, but I keep getting surprised at the revelations of the nature of human beings.

COVID showed us how we're such fearful animals, and now the internet is showing us how we're so freaking pitiful in our attention-seeking. And so if my wife is using me and her pitiful attempt at attention-seeking, if you can't be funny on your own, go do your own social media, be funny on your own. Don't use meat against my knowledge. No, I'm with this dude. All right. You swayed me.

That was a good argument. No. See, I think if it was different. The counsel rest. I think if it was different, okay? Like, dude should be able to handle it a little bit, you know, a little ball busting. I think that if it was a woman, it would be different. I would have to say the pose, too, by the way.

They're way more. Ball busting is face to face. There's integrity to body. ball busting. It is for the benefit of both parties involved. You are right. Flip it and it's abuse. It's the difference. It's like the definition of a RIC. A RIC is somebody who lowers other people to

elevate themselves. The subject of the joke is not in on the joke when the RIC is involved. And that's what she is. She's a female Rick. Are there female versions of my three types of dudes? The A-Hole, the tool, and the RIC. What are the female versions of that? We can't say those words. C's, B's and... Yeah, there's...

I don't know. A's. Yeah, but I don't even know if I could really tell you the difference between the C's and the B's. Oh, I could... I don't know. There's a difference.

I had this conversation with my wife earlier this week. There's a difference. Is a B the female equivalent of an A-hole and a C is the female equivalent of a Rick? Yeah. I think so. Yes.

That's it. Yeah, B is just like... What is the female equivalent of a D-Bag or a tool? Ooh. Probably the same word. You can use D-Bag for a woman. I would. Yeah, yeah.

A woman could be a D-Bag for sure. Now we have this from Reddit. How do I get back to work as normal after my manager told me that clients noticed I smell bad? The poster writes. I'm doing an internship as a receptionist, and I started about three weeks ago this afternoon. manager took me aside and told me that a client said I smelled bad. It was clear the client felt

terribly guilty about saying something like that, and my manager was very kind while talking to me, which strangely made me feel even worse. I'm so embarrassed. I've had problems with personal hygiene before, but I really thought I had gotten better recently. Now I keep thinking that all my coworkers might have been able to smell me while I was standing in front of them acting normal. And the idea that I might already be known as the intern who smells bad is seriously messing. with my head. Now, first, the sentence, I've had problems with personal hygiene in the past. What's that mean? There's a lot of detail and story in that sentence. What does that mean? You forget to bathe? Halitosis? You don't shower? Maybe you have like the medical condition? Breath is different. But I think when people say, yeah, I think breath is a different category. That's a different category.

And I have a friend who's a dentist, and he said, you'd be appalled. Yeah. You'd be appalled. I went out with a girl that had it. It was rough. Well, I'm not even talking about that, just general, you know, dental hygiene. You'd be appalled in general. So this doesn't suggest breath.

This suggests something else, which is like, I don't know. Are you not showering? Are you not using shampoo and soap in the shower? Some people use, like, perfume or, or cologne to mask, not bathing. So, like, it's kind of a laziness. And then they, they use that stuff. And then it, like, makes this really bad smell. I think it feels so gross, though, not bathing.

I know. Well, I, that feels very European. Yeah. Yeah. That feels very European. Well, there's a name for that. Like, Euros don't shower every day, right? No, no.

Really? Yeah. I don't think so. Do they feel like it's a waste of water? We're talking. Do you guys watch your hair every day? We're painting a broad brush here. generalization.

I don't. I don't. I don't shampoo it every day. Really? Yeah. Because it would fall flat and it would be weird, yeah. Yeah, I use hot water. Parola got me on this, actually,

because, like, he was talking about how your hair actually has natural oils in it that are supposed to be there. Yeah, I get that. So, like, I do it, I do it, like, every few days just use hot water. But going back to the hygiene, some people just are naturally, have more body odor based on genetic. I think that's probably true. And... Yeah. Yeah.

So it could be... We can fix this. We can fix this. I've heard the things about... Deuterrent. About eating pineapple. So just eat a lot of pineapple. And that'll make you smell a little sweeter.

Just naturally. Right? Don't eat asparagus. Holistic pat. Problem solved. Do you think it's... Do you think it's the body? There's also laundry?

Do you... Good point. Yes. Good point. Oh, my goodness, too. Not washing your clothes or letting your clothes sit in the washing machine and not getting to the dryer in time, in which case they smell like mildew. That happens to the best of us every once in a while. True.

So you don't do laundry. Who are you kidding? Have you thought about this, though? I don't do it. It's true. Like, you have a smell. Like you and your house have a smell. And then, like, you can't smell it.

Well, two separate things, Patrick. Two separate things. You have a smell and your house have. a smell. Now, those two things can become one, but, like, if you move, you don't carry your house smell with you. Do you know what I mean? Like, I remember growing up as a

kid, certain people's houses had a smell, and then that kid, and that kid smelled that way of school. I thought it was the only one that saw that. And then you'd go over their house. No, we all have that kid, right? It's like, it's, or that house, yes. And I don't even know why a house, I wonder sometimes, I live in a, my house

is an older house with like add-ons to it and like the older part of my house sometimes I'm like, does this part of the house have a smell? And then I've wondered, do I have the smell of my house? I've wondered that. Just to your point, Patrick, I would never know. I would never know. You go off vacation and you come back and you go, oh,

that's interesting. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. You go on vacation, you come back to your house. You're like, oh, yeah. Could it is like a mildewy like an older damp smell? Because sometimes that's it, like an older house can do that. That's what I feel like I've smelled before in someone's house. Sometimes it's dog. Dog plays a role. I think it's that one very, dog. I do think there's like a

mildew thing in some houses. I think, um, weed. I think there's more. I just realized that my, that my cousin's house smell from when I was a kid was just weed. Smells like skunk in here. It's so weird. Yeah. Cigarettes too. Oh, my god. My grandmother's, my grandmother smoked and just the stench of the hat you could I could smell it now it's crazy yeah yeah you had the friend whose parents smoked and then his kids I mean his his clothes smelled like cigarettes but 90s um the house thing is interesting because I think it is potentially dog I do think it is things like smoke um I do think there is like some houses that are you know damper so I have that mildew smell maybe but then there's up there's there's other smells too just

weird smells and also by the way there's food that you eat. I mean, let's be real. I mean, curry has a smell. Okay, and that smell is pervasive. I had a neighbor. But it's true. Back in Connecticut. It's true. Below me.

Very pungent. Can't say that. Oh. Hey. Yes. Gotcha. But I don't get the personal hygiene thing unless it's laundry or some of that. I don't get the body itself. Like the statement, I've had issues with personal hygiene.

That doesn't suggest its food. That doesn't suggest it's... Clothes it does. Smoking. It suggests it could be laundry and it could be bathing. And those are... Maybe they practice trickle-down showering. So they just do the top.

The F is that. The soap's going to go trickle down. Oh, that's a thing, Dan. What? Yeah. They don't bend down. You know, you don't want to bend over. It's too much work.

It's like soap. Your cap. or your feet. So let the soap wash over you? That doesn't wash your body? Well, I mean, do you think you, your feet don't, I mean, your feet are sitting there soaking in soapy water the entire time you're taking a shower? No, you got to scrub those mothers. What are you doing?

Get out of here. A brush? You think you just sitting in soap is washing your feet? Get out of here. maybe a tiny bit I wash my feet people wonder why they get fungi

how damn um watch your all right let's do one more I haven't read this my parents offered us money for a house

but now I'm stuck in the middle I'm 32 and my fiancee is 31 we live in Boston or getting married next spring we've been saving for a house but it's been slow because prices here are ridiculous

last weekend my parents invited us over and offered to gift us $350,000 toward a down payment. Wow. Nice. We were both shocked because we had no idea they had been planning this. The weird part happened after my fiancee left the room to help my mom in the kitchen. My dad quietly told me the money is meant to stay on my side of the family.

If anything ever happened down the road. He wasn't trying to be dramatic, just said it's important because it's money they spent decades building. Now I'm sitting in this conversation because I know it's. if I repeat it word for word, it'll probably hurt my fiance's feelings. At the same time, it also feels wrong not to tell her everything my parents said. She's already talking about putting both our names on the house, which I assumed we do before this happened. Now, I don't even know what the right thing is anymore. Let's take a quick break, but continue this Friday edition of Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. All right, I think this is,

I, it, this is Massachusetts. This is very hard. Okay, I'm not sure it is as hard as you want to make it. Yeah. So, first of all, I get it from his parents' perspective. Really? I mean, I would feel, yes. Huh. Yes.

I get it from his parents' perspective. Yes. I saw this video. Those are not married yet. Dave Ramsey. True. Man, there was this video of Dave Ramsey where this lady called in, I think was a lady. And she said she was, um, oh, she was like 75.

And she had saved up over her lifetime. Right. And she had done well. She'd lived under her means. She'd saved up. And I don't remember the number. Let's call it a couple million dollars she had saved up. And her kids are grown in their 40s, right? And she was saying, you know, I've got this money and the intended purpose of this money is to pass it on to my kids. Then she says, but all of my kids are leftists. They're huge socialists, Democrats. And I don't agree with them and the way they're choosing to live their life. And I think I don't want to give them this money. They're just going to put it in directions that I don't agree with. And am I a bad person? And Dave Ramsey is like, no, this is your money. They have no entitlement to your money whatsoever.

If they are living a certain way, then you don't need to feel any moral. obligation to give that to them. And then Ramsey went on to say that he's told his kids that their inheritance is contingent upon essentially, I think what he said was their relationship with God. So if they've developed a relationship with God and they are believers, that is going to impact whether or not

they get. So love is conditional. What is, I'm sure, a massive fortune. Giving money is not the same thing as love, dude. To your kid? Yeah. It's support. It's such a leftist point of view. Wow. It's not even a... It's, honestly,

Honestly, it's not even. Is that an entitled point of view? Selfish. Yeah, where is this? I wanted to show, I love this tweet this week. Have you guys, Patrick, we're in the same algorithm all too often, so you may have seen this. I wanted to show Dan this. Okay.

I want to say nothing more than to show it to you, Dan. Okay? I'm going to save the image. You're just trying to get more information out of me. You think I'm lying? No, I just want to get your reaction to this. Okay. pull it up on the full screen here if you're watching on Facebook or YouTube.

What it is is a map of America. It's charitable giving by county. Huh. Okay? So county by county across America. It's broken down into a gradient scale of purple to green. Purple represents zero to three percent of income given to charity. Darkest green is more than five percent given to charity.

Okay. what you will see on this map of America is the most charitable counties exist in the south Texas and the Rocky Mountain West so that's Utah and Idaho it's not Colorado and Wyoming so much a little bit of Wyoming it's Utah Mormons and then the south and a little bit up into the Midwest right up along into Minnesota and so forth. The darkest purple is, actually, that's not Minnesota. That's the Dakota's where that is. Minnesota's dark purple. California's dark purple. The northeast is dark purple. And the Midwest is a smattering of purple and pink. So that is charitable giving in America. Okay. So I just want

your reaction, Dan. So it's misleading. So it's percentage of income given to charity, correct? Yes. Incomes are so much higher on the code. in those other areas. So lower percentage of your income is more money than if you have less money and you're giving percentage of your income. So they could be giving the same amount. Does that work with?

Does that work with taxes as well? Does that work with taxes as well? So like, you know, rich people give more gross. So if we had a flat tax of 10%, rich people would be giving way more than people that may make way less. Right. The amount of money, yeah. Be doing.

So you shouldn't have a graduated tax rate. No. Well, we might just be able to come to an agreement. Yeah. You really had to get out of jail. That's a get-out-jail-free card for you by saying percentage. Yeah. I mean, it actually is because if you think about it, the salad.

No, it's not. What people make? Yes, it is. Of course it is. No. What's your point then? That Coates are not as charitable as the Midwesterns. of?

Yeah. And we have other charts as well. We have other graphs and stats out there that have been done for decades. That Republicans are way more charitable than Democrats. They give more money away than Democrats. So I would like to know how you... Okay. You're explaining.

Sure. I don't know if you're justifying. What I just... What I'm having trouble here with you. Dan, is the person and perhaps the party that orientes itself as the one centered around compassion and empathy gives the least away. So help me understand how that works. That chart doesn't show that because we don't know the exact amounts of money.

Patrick, look it up. Look left, look up left, first right, gross charitable giving. Dan's trying to get out of jail because of the percentage thing, saying that lefties in the Northeast make more. So they may be giving a less way in percentage, but they're giving more away gross. You're about to fall on your face, Dan. Probably. Gross charitable giving, left and right. You can AI that pretty quick, I imagine.

Yeah, we just, I mean, the lefties and the socialists want the government to do more and give more. So that's it. So you don't want to give away your own money. You want to give away other people's money. And that's how you define your compassion and empathy. You're willingness to give away other people's money. That's what it is to be empathetic. That's what it is to be a good person.

A good person is not defined by how much he personally does, how he personally lives his life, how much he personally gives away to the needy. A good person is defined by the person that says the right things and gives away someone else's money. There's also doing, instead of just giving money. Oh, what is he suggesting that? Acts of charity. Oh, I'm ready for that game, too. I'm ready for service service hours

volunteer hours I'm ready for that you feel good if you win any of those battles would you would you give away or do you really think

you would win on any of these battle God no service I'm just trying to make the argument but you're absolutely right these people are full of crap you're so right

this chart it tells you everything everything that you need to know. The Socialists give the least away. Minnesota doesn't have that, like the argument that he's making, Minnesota doesn't have that reason.

What? That they're richer? They're not on the code. That they're richer. Do they? Are they? I would say Minnesota is more rich than, you know,

but they are very left. AI works really fast. It's, you have answers? Yes. It works fast, but then it doesn't work for me and I have to like beat the crap out of it and now it's working okay overall dollars

conservative headed households give 30% more on average than liberal headed households per brooks gross dollars yeah and then even liberal households earn 6% more on average so um so it's estimated that conservatives give 60 to 160 dollars more per year after basic demographic controls Okay, you're starting to Peter off. This engine is losing steam. Hold on, hold on. We had it at the beginning when you said 30% point. That's gross dollars.

I did, I did. So back to this house thing. Can we go back to that chart? Yeah, what do you got? I just wanted to say I'm really proud of Mexico because they're white. They're in the middle there. So they're giving charitable.

What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Mexico. Look at Mexico. Yeah. So white is like in the middle here. What Mexico is he talking about? I don't even get the joke.

Because they're not showing Mexico in this metric, but he's saying it's white like in that chart. So he's saying that they go to charity. White means this middle ground on the charity. They're not included in this map. It's just there on the map. It was a good attempt. That was a lot.

Never mind. I'm glad we hit reverse for that joke. I'm really glad. Um, the Texas is a community property state. So any money that is made together while you're married is split 50-50. You keep what you came into the marriage with. Whatever you came in with is yours. Connecticut's 50-50 completely.

So I think, and I think houses are not, like, I don't, I think that a house is community property. Like you're splitting that house, no matter where that down. payment came from. I think. Yeah, the money is not money anymore, right? It's a property. It's a asset. Somewhere there's a divorce attorney telling me I'm wrong. You should.

But ideally, when you get married, you should be, your spouse should come first, right? And you should be telling this person everything. I agree. Like, they come before your parents. Yes. You know, eventually. But they're not married yet.

And so that's where I'm saying it becomes a little complicated because it's it's getting you're getting there but you're not quite there and you know I do think the parents have have you know a good point like you know we worked hard for this what happens if you break it off beforehand and then you have to split it down the middle you have to tell her though you have to tell your spouse I don't know I I do think that's the case I think that's the case but you know it is I do think the parents also made a mistake why would you announce it to both of them if you really only wanted it for the son. Yes. You could have said this was like a trust. Tell him. Tell him that we're going to do this for you

and don't announce it in front of both of them. We do it when they're married. And then he can go, and he can go and say to her, hey, my parents gave me $350,000 for down payment on a house. You know, but then he's got to say, but it's my house. Gave me, yeah. You're going to rent. With me. Yeah. Yeah. I need $500 a month. Hey, Rumi. Our old friend Rachel Campos Duffy is going viral right now. The left seems to think this is totally scandalous. There's a documentary with her and Transportation Secretary, husband, Sean Duffy,

talking about their daughter, Paloma, and where she wants to go to college. And you have a bit of this. Dan. Listen, my problem is we have thought about how we've raised you and how hard we've worked to, I think, raise what is a remarkable young girl. If I send you there, I think what happens is they have professionalized, figuring out how they can take good young girls like you and I think corrupt their minds.

You don't have to believe what I believe. You don't have to have the political viewpoints that I have, but I do think it's important that you make those choices for yourself and you have a fair representation of what they are. And I don't think the Harvards of the world give you that kind of well-rounded picked her. So they're explaining, Paloma's doing great. And Rachel told me this. I think she got into Harvard and maybe some other big time. They're high league schools. Yeah, there are a few, few big schools that she got. That's awesome. Yes. Let's take a quick break, but continue this Friday edition of Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Yeah. It's interesting they put this in the documentary and they're willing to own this. Of course they are. Of course.

Yeah. Rachel told me about this. And she told me about this privately. That she's like, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, on one hand, it's prestigious, and she got this accomplishment and she wants it. But on the other hand, I don't, you know, I'm not excited about it. I'm not excited. And for the record, they pay for it. Okay. So, you know, of course you get a say. Of course. So the left is sharing this man, just destroying them, saying this is, What are the kind of things they're saying? Like, this is like hostage-type situation. This is, what do you call it, whatever, syndrome?

Stockum's a now. Imagine losing an opportunity to go to Harvard because your parents are badass. She'll be telling that one for the rest of her life. I disagree with them, but, you know. It's a fantastic way to alienate your child and have them go no contact by 30. I mean like Actually before before like last day or two Like the comments were all negative about how they were doing these this terrible disservice to her

They were Like some sort of like child abuse Yeah Child abuse that that uh they're mad that Harvard's going to actually Yeah Expose her to their brainwashing And that kind of thing But I ended up watching the whole episode

So I mean it's it's all very This is all very selective because I'm like in the whole episode, if you go and watch it, they actually take a trip to Harvard and go try to figure out, like, it was this a place that we actually want to go and be at. And they did the work. And they talked to the local priests there, and they found out that there's a community that, you know,

that they might be open to having her go to. So, were they more open? Were they more open at the end of the episode? Patrick? Of course. They were. Definitely. Like, I have friends.

I grew up around Yale. Oh, I didn't know. it may be that they went there and they found out, yeah, this is not right. But they actually found some things that encouraged them about Harvard. And she ended up not going there. I believe she's at the University of Chicago like her sister did before. But like, if you watch the whole episode, these people are cherry picking these clip when the whole episode is about them being more open-minded to things. And actually, you know, take your-

Lefty radicalized anywhere, though, in college these days. That's true. Like every single college, there's that opportunity to be. Because if there's a majority, like, yeah, Yale's pretty woke, but I have friends that are conservative that go, that went there, and they found their own areas and people to hang out with. You know what I mean? It doesn't mean you're going to be indoctrinated instantly.

You know, I'm friends of Buck Sexton and Buck went to Amherst in Massachusetts, which he tells me. I don't know a lot about it. It's super liberal. super liberal. He reacted the opposite way. To be inundated with that craziness made him pivot the other way.

Do you see what I'm saying? So you never know how it's going to play. That's Amherst, not Harvard. I do believe this is true. It could be anywhere. No, I know. I'm just saying, I'm just saying when you go to an environment, you don't know what you're going to come out

on the other end of the environment. I will say, I'll say this. I think young women often don't, rebel against their social circumstances as much. So the desire to fit in and be a part of it, you could be co-opted and indoctrinated into whatever is cool and going along with it. I don't think the Duffy girls are like that, for record. I don't think that would probably have. I can't imagine they would be. A little of the opposite, yeah. But normal, normal women, yes. Normal, yeah. You know, I just dropped my son off at college. It's so crazy how social media, social media. I did not. I did not. I did not.

I guess we haven't talked about that on this show. People were wondering. I mean, when I say I did not, I'm not saying that with pride. I'm not saying that like, oh, I'm so tough. I was prepared to. It's just super sad. I saw Leslie Mann. I think she's the one.

I can't remember. Is she the one that was married to Judd Apatow? I can't remember. She was on some podcast talking about this. Yes, they were. That it's super, she was talking about how sad it is. And she's right. And all these, you know, algorithms are feeding me.

this stuff and I've had buddies that have been through it and they've said the same thing. For me, the worst part has been, and I say this because I'm in the active process of it, you know, he's been gone for a week. Going back on. There's the weekend where we dropped him off. The worst part was the week leading up to it. It was the countdown in my head of three nights left living in my house permanently. That's brutal.

Two nights in my house living permanently. last night in my house living permanently. That cast appalled over me. That was like last week. I was feeling that. But down there, moving him in. Yeah, I mean, but it's not as dramatic as I thought. You know, other people, the drive away and all that, the look back.

Yeah, I mean, it definitely exists. And my wife shed some tears, for sure. But, and then coming home kind of sucks, too, because, like, little brothers, like, oh yeah, I went into his room the other day to see him and the room was empty. And that, that sucks. That's heartbreaking. You know, ugh. But dude, you spend 18 years of your life with these people being the center of your universe.

And then boom, that's it. My wife had the perfect analogy. I think she worried about these things more than I did, but she's like, he's not ready. Is he, you know, yeah, in the past six months, two years, she's made him start doing his own laundry. but it's an imperfect process. Trust me. How many of his own meals does you actually know how to cook and these things? It's like those cooking shows, right?

Like the cooking shows, there's a clock and you've got to make your souffle and you're doing it. And the clock's ticking down. You're putting the powdered sugar on for the last minute. You hope the souffle rises. And he goes, all right, time's up. But it's not ready. I had so many plans for it, you know. Times up.

But it is. This is what it is. How does it taste? That's kind of how you feel as a parent. That's so good. You do your best. And then time's up. But I'm not hearing a lot from him.

So I think that's a good sign. He's going to be fine. I get him on the phone, but they're short, five-minute, ten-minute conversations at most. And I think that's a good thing. How long until you can visit him? Will you? I'm going September 12th.

So that will be one month. That's Texas, Ohio State. I'm going to that game. My younger son has a soccer game in Austin as well. So, I mean, I'll see him that weekend. Sweet. And then I'm lucky in that way. My kid went three hours away.

And then he's going to be back in Dallas for Texas OU. And then I'll go back down for parents' weekend. And I'm going to go down because I just want to go to another one or two Texas games. So I'll bet I end up seeing him at least once a month, you know, through this fall semester. That's different, dude. What you lose is you lose the little moments. the and and it's honestly it's the things that you don't like it's like get ready for school it's did you get your homework done it's like come on man come eat your breakfast we got it you're

going to be late to school it's driving them to soccer practice you know it's sitting in the parking lot while your kids at practice i'm getting emotional thinking about that as a son it's all of that am i right scott it's all of that scott's been through this it's all of that that is now gone. And in some ways, you can be like, oh, life is a little easier, but it's also a little less meaningful. Those are, because that's life. All that little stuff, that's life.

And so when I call him, I just want to hear the little stuff. Just like, what's going on? What's you been doing? What you've been eating? You know? Have you shrunk your clothes? A video game are you playing? So, I get there, I get their debate about the Harvard thing.

I actually, it's different for me a little bit because of where I live. Like, my kid's major and the school that he's going to, I would rather him do that than go to Yale or Harvard, to be quite honest. Because, like, I hope he lives here. And if you're walking around Texas with a Harvard degree, is it way more prestigious than one of these? And the answer is yes. I mean, it's one of the best schools in the entire world. Sorry, it is. But in order for those reputations to matter, there have to be people that care that it matters.

And there are people, no matter where you live, that Harvard brand will carry. But the network, the network of people that you actually know, you weigh that reputation against the actual network you would create. I've always said this. Okay. If you live in Florida, okay, and you're going to work in Florida, and you're going to work in finance in Florida, okay? Finance in Florida. Does a Harvard degree carry way more weight than a finance degree or business degree from the University of Florida? Yes. In Florida, Dan.

Yes. Now, I'm going to tell you, it does, but not as much as you think. Of way more. Because that dude is going to come out. You're more connected to Florida. That's a northeastern perspective. You could sell more people. That dude is going to go to Florida.

That dude is going to go to Florida with a bigger network when he comes out. Do you agree with me, Patrick? Yeah, I do. I mean, because, because. you also have people who are going to like you because you went to Florida and it's like, oh, I'm like, I'm going to be a fan. But going to HBS, you're going to be more successful because it's one of the best business schools in the entire world also.

Maybe. Maybe. What do you mean maybe? Look at the net worth of people that come out of HPS. Here's what's going to do. Employers are going to give you the benefit of the doubt. They are going to hire you more readily. Yeah.

What is opportunity? What is opportunity? Jobs. and people accepting you and bringing you in, wanting to give you their private equity to manage. They will be more open to that. Okay, here's where I disagree. It'll help you get that first job better.

Maybe that first job. But it's close. I'm telling you something. If you walk in, do you all see the news today that Morgan Stanley is moving a big part of their operation to Dallas? So now they're joining Goldman Sachs? Texas.

So you walk into Morgan Stanley. You've got the Harvard degree and you've got a McComb School of Business degree from University of Texas. I think the Harvard kid might have a slight edge, but not a huge edge, a slight edge, on getting the initial job. But once that happens, now I think the other degree becomes more valuable because he knows more people.

He's more connected. He can do more on the opportunity phase after the fact. The value of the education will be better. But both things go into play. The value is networking, really? Yeah, but the value and knowledge. It's simply what's happening in the classroom. If you think it's smarter.

Honestly, that's the other thing. Because of the DEI life that we've been in for a decade or more, no, I'm dead serious. How much more, if I'm, I'll call all my buddies at works at Goldman's half or something. How much faith can I put in to that Harvard degree, meaning that kid is smarter than the kid who got the business degree from SMU. How much faith can I put? Literally you just had this whole thing with their president committing all their plagiarism.

Well, I'd love to just see the success rate out of Harvard compared to other schools. You know, that's a quantifiable metric. What do you mean by success? Money? earning. Jobs. You know, amount of jobs. Yeah, but hireability.

But, Dan. The rate of hireability. You are, you're generalizing something. that I'm regionalizing. Now, so you're saying there's more value in a different place?

Hold on. If that University of Texas kid wants to go to Wall Street, literal Wall Street, okay. Now he's more behind the ball. I'm giving you that. Okay, I see what you're saying.

That is harder. If you want to live in New York and work on Wall Street, yes. Or Boston. Because there, the Harvard degree isn't just reputation, it's connection as well.

I see what you're saying. Got it. There'll be more dudes that have that. But what I'm telling you is, if you want to be in business, business in L.A. By the way, California and Florida are a little less so because you've got so many transplants in both states. But if you want to live, what's a better state to pick? If you want to live in Charlotte. If you want to live in Charlotte, I think that degree from

UNC is more valuable than the Harvard degree. U.N.C. is a great school anyway. It's like a really high. It's one of the public ideas. In terms of wanting people to do business with you, yes, you're probably right just because of community aspect. UVA. No. But my, Will, there's an issue. Go ahead.

Because you have the connection. So, like, you go to UNC, you have those connections with the UNC folks, but you also have the Duke people who have those connections within that state, and they all hate you. So it kind of... Duke is a better school.

I'll go back to New York. The Duke people, I'll go back to New York. Yeah, that's true. I had so many friends go to Duke from up in Connecticut. Duke is a northeastern school It might as well be in Massachusetts 100% You know another one? Can you name another one?

That is in the South and you think it's a southern school But it's actually not Culturally student body wise No No Clemson is full of South Carolinians South Carolinians It's a private school

Like Duke But it's Division 1 It's ACC What sport is the best there? No, Scott said Vanderbilt, which is SEC. I don't hear this as much about Vanderbilt, but I hear it a little bit about Vanderbilt. No, the school I'm thinking of is Wake Forest.

Wake Forest is, I've been told, very northeastern school. Duke and Wake Forest and UNC are within the same eight-mile radius or something like that, so it makes a lot of sense. We just hold all the big East schools. Vanderbilt's interesting. I'd like to know more about Vanderbilt, like what that student body is.

It's a great school. Musical. All right. Didn't know we'd get on that. And that's the nature of Fridays. That's going to do it for us today here on Will Kane Country. Thank you for hanging out with us. Make sure you follow us at Spotify or Apple, and we'll see you again next time.

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