Will Cain Country - Karol Markowicz: Taylor Lorenz Celebrates A Murder & Stephen A. Has Presidential Hopes, PLUS Bill Maher Sees The Light!

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Story #1: Bill Maher sees the light after spending two hours in The White House with President Donald Trump. Plus, The Crew connects The Masters to a lesson President Trump has for life.  Story #2: Taylor Lorenz celebrates the alleged CEO assassin, Luigi Mangione. And is Will's old colleague and friend Stephen A. Smith going to run for President? A conversation with Host of the ‘Karol Markowicz Show’ and co-Host of ‘Normally,' and Columnist at Fox News and the NY Post, Karol Markowicz.   Story #3: How one Tennessee Quarterback and former top recruit is upending NIL and College Football as we once knew it. Where do we go from here? Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Coming up on the Will Kane show. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand by subscribing an Apple or on Spotify or setting a reminder at Facebook or on YouTube. What's up? Hope you had a happy weekend. Welcome back here to a brand new week of the Will Cane Show. Glad to have you hanging out. Exciting weekend in golf. Exciting weekend for Rory McElroy and at the Masters. And exciting weekend when it comes to sanity, at least in some parts of the left, some corners of the left. Most notably, when it comes to comedian Bill Maher. He had a revelation about one week ago when he had dinner with President Donald Trump.

He took to his show on Friday night to share his newfound sanity. Let's get to it all now with story number one. Friday night, Bill Maher laid out his. Kid Rock arranged meeting at the White House with President Donald Trump. Dana White also involved. Bill Maher came to the meeting with a list of something like 64 insults printed out on paper that President Trump had said at some point about Mar. They laughed and Donald Trump signed the sheet of insults.

Yesterday before, President Trump had said he was unsure about this meeting, that he was unsure about Bill Marr. Marl, though, was gracious on real time. Gracious in that he chose to tell the truth. He risked the ire of his audience. And audience capture is a very real issue, not just on the left, but on the right. He risked it all by telling the truth exactly how he experienced a night with Donald Trump. Here is Bill Maher. Just for starters, he laughs.

I'd never seen him laugh in public, but he does, including it himself. And it's not fake. Believe me, as a comedian of 40 years, I know a fake laugh when I hear it. He's much more self-aware than he lets on in public. Look, I get it. It doesn't matter who he is at a private dinner with a comedian. It matters who he is on the world stage. I'm just taking as a positive that this person exists

because everything I've ever not liked about him was, I swear to God, absent, at least on this night with this guy. Bob, Kid Rock, told me the night before. He said, if you want to get a word in edgewise, you're going to have to cut him off. He'll just go on. Not at all. I've had so many conversations with prominent people who are much less connected. People who don't look you in the eye. People who don't really listen because they just want to get to their next thing. People whose response to things you say just doesn't track like, what? None of that with him. And he mostly steered the conversation to, what do you think about this? I know. Your mind is blind. So is mine. So fascinating to hear someone tell the truth, experience the truth, and then share the truth. Bill Moore, I think, is somebody who had been captured largely, and I don't presume that going forward he's going to somehow be liberated, but had been captured by a narrow vein of media

painting a narrow picture of Donald Trump. Let's lay down a little runway. It's not that that is all false. It's just mostly false. There's no doubt Donald Trump lean. into the performance he is bombastic he is combative i think i identify a little bit not that i'm the performer and not that i'm the communicator of donald trump but i identify a little bit with the authenticity of the moment you meet someone on their level if somebody wants to come in hurling

insults or debate you vigorously well then we will hurl insults or we will debate vigorously If somebody wants to come in good charity and good spirits, then we'll have a good time. That has been my experience with Donald Trump. I think both versions are real. If he sits down with Kristen Welker or Caitlin Collins and they want to turn it into, gotcha, interruptions, cut off combativeness, he'll meet that combativeness. If you want to come in and Marr says, and if this wasn't an interview, it was a conversation. If you want to come in to this night, to this moment, in curiosity, good spirit, in conversation,

Donald Trump will meet you and both are real. Identify that a little bit. People say, how can you be the same guy on first take that you are on the Will Kane show on ESPN Radio? Or how can you be my mom visited me this weekend? She said, I like the you that smiles. I like the you that's happy on the Will Kane show on Fox shows.

You can be mean when some of those people step in. you can be intense. I'm like, yeah, well, both are real. I can be both because I am both. Different versions, different moments. I think that's Donald Trump. And for anybody that's ever met Donald Trump, what Bill Maher had to say is real.

Curious, open-minded, what do you think? Conversational, eye contact. What he said there about engaging in the conversation on the same level, I think it's something that you can project yourself into and find some identification. We all can't. You ever have a conversation with people? You're like, huh, I'm just an audience in this conversation.

Or, huh, they're not listening to me because their responses don't match what I'm talking about. Or vice versa. That's not what it is with Donald Trump. And Bill Moore was part of this capture of a certain narrow caricature. It's been painted for a decade of Donald Trump. In fact, Bill Maher was a perpetuator of that capture. Not just a consumer, but a magnifier of that cartoonish image of Trump.

And he had that bubble burst. Again, I don't think this means that Bill Maher is going all of a sudden become a maga or even a big fan of Donald Trump. But I think his surprise and revelation is real. I think he lived in a false reality. And he was forced to confront reality. And it's pretty cool he chose to share that truth.

It wasn't completely well received. And I think this is a perfect dichotomy to have Pierce Morgan and Josh Rogan of the Washington Post on his panel after he says, these things on real time because Josh Rogan again columnist for the Washington Post serves as a good illustration of the media that is dedicated to the cartoon Donald Trump. Watch this moment from real time. Your motivation is sound, but what's the impact? And I think a lot of people out there, fans of yours, people will love you, people who are fans of you like me.

I've been fan of you. You don't have to patronize me, dude. I don't know you. I never met you. I'm just saying that this comes from a place of love. That's what we said. There are people who didn't want it to happen at all. It sound like one of them.

No, no, no. I just, but did you hear what I said? Yeah. Like, what is the alternative to not talking just sit at your lunch table and don't talk to anybody? Oh, Rogan says several times in there, I love you, Bill. We love you. We just think maybe that you were used as a pawn by Donald Trump. And after like showering mar and multiple.

compliments being real mar's like i don't know you dude we just met don't patronize me what an incredible moment i actually have met not just don't trump but i have met bill mar and it doesn't actually come as a surprise to me that he is authentic that he is real he is wrong and he has suffered at times from trump derangement syndrome that's what we saw we saw trump derangement syndrome receive a dose of reality chemotherapy. He got a dose of medicine. He got a window of reality. It doesn't mean he's cured, but he is real. He is authentic, both on and off camera. That takes a lot of cahones. If someone who is on TV, that level of, I don't know you, dude, we just met after someone's showering you with compliments, is a pretty refreshing response of reality.

I don't think this is one of those moments where all of a sudden you're like, we should celebrate because somebody from the left finally got it right. I actually think this is a moment to be celebrated of just pure authenticity, both Bill Maher meeting it and Bill Maher repeating it after his meeting with Donald Trump. The boys of New York are here, Tinfoil Pat, youngest houseman James, and two a day's dam. Big weekend at the Masters. Big weekend at Augusta. Rory McElroy becomes only the sixth golfer to win the career grand slam, win all four majors.

I watched much of the Masters on Saturday and on Sunday. I had to check out, just in time for all of the drama. I had to check out for the last four holes. One of my sons is playing in what is, I believe, if not the biggest one of the top two youth soccer tournaments in North America. And it's in Dallas every year. It's called the Dallas Cup. And it brings in 45 countries from across the world, 450, I can't remember 450 teams and tens of thousands of players. It's really cool.

And they kicked off yesterday, had their first game. They have a game today. They have a game on Wednesday. And on Sunday night is the opening ceremonies. And it's a little bit like the Olympics. It's at the Cotton Bowl in Fair Park in downtown Dallas. Everybody parades in to the field with their country. flags and banners and they're announced as they come in it's really cool but unfortunately

in the cotton bowl with tens of thousands of others you don't get cell service so my phone stopped streaming the masters so i didn't get to see the climactic final two holes it strikes me that what we got to experience with roy mackereloy is something that i think you don't often experience which is a collapse staved off like rory collapsed He shot, was it one or two over for the day? And Justin Rose shot six under for the day, forcing a tie at 18. That type of march usually is unstoppable. That type of regression for Rory and that type of advance from Justin Rose is hard to turn the tides on.

And yet they go into a playoff and Roy McRoy wins in the first hole of the playoff. pretty resilient pretty strong to be able to stay balled this off and james i'll let you read this because you seem to think it bears some resemblance to the comeback and career of president don't trump do i'm going to go word for word with it like it's a or just summarize it i'd prefer you to broadcast you make the decision do like a morgan freeman impression no right I'm not going to do that. In late January, Trump had started to throw around the idea of making another run for the presidency. You know, Jack Nicholas was pretty famous for letting people collapse and just hanging around. Trump mused to Senator Lindjigna, over lunch at Marlago, referring to the legendary American golfer.

Trump said that should be his strategy with Biden. When Nicholas was behind in a tournament, he'd just say, well, what are you going to do? I'm just going to hang around and see what happens. That's how we win the Masters in 86. You know, you have two good holes and everybody else falls apart. well Trump said I'm just going to be hanging around so that's the story of Donald Trump talking about running again nice Trump impression by young establishment James

and the argument is something that I've talked about a lot when it comes to success which is hanging around the hoop that you will achieve a lot of success in life by simply staying persistent and consistent and everyone else will blow themselves up around you

and before you know it you will be standing at the podium you'll be standing with success. That's the theory laid out by Jack Nicholas and what he won in 86 that you hear Donald Trump repeating to Lindsey Graham. But I don't think that's the story of Donald Trump.

Oh, Trump. Well, you said it reminds you of Roy. Something about this weekend reminded you of Rory and Trump is claiming that as part of his strategy when it comes to winning the presidency, that he hung around, ran again as Biden and others blow up around him.

I actually think it more was akin to Sheffler's almost comeback because Sheffler wasn't having his best week and he just sort of hung around it on the last day. He started to get really hot and almost made an insane comeback, as did a bunch of other guys. He had seven guys within the last two. But yeah, no, I mean. Scottie Sheffler ended up three strokes short after a great final day at the Masters. Donald Trump's career to me doesn't remind me of somebody who hangs around the hoop waiting for others to blow themselves up. He reminds me of a guy who throws, if not Hail Marys, Deep Platte passes the entire game long.

He's throwing 20-yard chunk plays. And in golf parlance, he reminds me of Roy McAvoy, pulls out the Big Dock and Ten Cup. He's the guy that's going for the green and two, not laying up, paring out, and winning the U.S. Open. That's Donald Trump to me. And that's, by the way, this entire tariff regime as well. And I love that scene. We tried to find it, but we couldn't find it. The scene after Roy McAvoy blows up and gets a,

I don't know what he ended up getting on the 18th hole of the U.S. Open, but we'll call it a 15. Sure. He walks off after reality hits him, after he finally drains it in two, which would be two, but all the drops he had to take, it ended up being like a 15.

And he confronts his girlfriend, played by Renee Russo, character is Molly and she she goes Roy that was incredible and he says we're talking about Molly I just gave away the U.S. Open she's like five years

from now nobody will remember who won the U.S. Open but everyone's going to remember you're 15 why you're immortal you're legendary and I think that's more Donald Trump she goes my God Roy it's well it's immortal

yes well I love the lesson of hanging around hoop. And I love as it applied to golf or any other sport, I don't think it is the application for Donald Trump. I think he is going for Immortal. But that was a hell of a playoff and a hell of a win by Rory McRoy. All right, Stephen A. Smith, speaking of sports, says he's going to run for president while Taylor Lorenz, forgiven if you don't know who she is, celebrates Luigi Mangione. Celebrates a murderer. Next, when we come back on the Wilcane show. summer's here almost it's like pre-summer it's spring it's get in shape time that's what it means

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He's good. looking he's got good morals she's talking about murderer alleged murderer luigi mangione it's the will cane show streaming live at foxnews.com on the fox news youtube channel on the fox news facebook page hit subscribe at apple or on spotify i don't suspect you know who taylor lorenz is guys do you think people know like i can talk about bill mar we can talk about what happened last week with him people know who bill marr is do people know who taylor lorenz is i'm not sure that they do i don't think i knew who she was I was until I worked here.

I saw her on some documentary recently. That was about it. I didn't really know much about her. Okay, so she used to write for the New York Times. So she has that credential, right? And I don't know what her beat was, like tech, social media types, type. Yeah. Was she fired, laid off, quit the New York Times?

I can't remember how that came to an end. Wasn't there a whole or deal? But I think it's... Go ahead. Where the Washington Post and, like, New York Times were fighting over her, and, like, she left to one, and it was controversial, but, like, that's the whole thing like that. Someone this crazy would be flown over by. Rift with editors at the Washington Post.

Okay. Was that wrong about New York Times? Or was she New York Times before Washington Post? She was? Yeah, she was there first. Yeah, she was New York Times. Technology reporter from the New York Times. I don't know the timeline, but yeah.

And she just, okay, so the point is, I mean, credentials, like paid by, somebody who has a lot of money to pay people for media. I mean, the Post and the Times don't have what they used to have, but still. And she became a big figure on social media. Big lefty, you know, she's cried about the online abuse she's gotten. That was part of her bit. But here she is now talking to CNN about the man accused of killing the United Health Care CEO. Luigi Mangione. Listen to this.

It's hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is, this is the United States of America, as if we don't lionize criminals, as if we don't have, you know, we don't stand murderers of all sorts, and we give them Netflix shows. There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles of the mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like this. And I can tell you, I saw the biggest audience growth that I've ever seen because people were like, oh, somebody, some journalist, is actually speaking to the anger that we feel. The women who got her outside course in New York.

So you're going to see women, especially, that feel like, oh, my God, right? Like, here's this man who's revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems like this morally good man, which is hard to find. They want somebody to take on this system. They want somebody to tear down these barbaric establishment institutions. So gross. So gross on so many levels. Let's bring in the host of the Carol Markowitz show.

Also the co-host of Normally. She's also the writer of Stolen Youth, how radicals are erasing innocence and indoctrinating a generation. Carol Markowitz here on the Wilkins show. Hey, Carol. Hi, Will. So nice to be on. Thank you. Um, by the way, and I, and fellows back in New York, I was just thinking, Carol, one of my first things, and it shouldn't be one of the first things that you notice in this clip. How old is Taylor Lorenz? Like, do you know, I just looked it up during the clip? Wikipedia won't say, because that's a whole thing. Like, right, she's hiding her age.

But I believe she's late 40s and 41. Unironic about she's 41. I don't believe it. Yeah, I don't believe it. Somehow she's managed to hide her. age. Somehow, but she's unironically saying standing for murder. On CNN. She's using the word stand. On CNN. She's using the word stand. Like it's internet culture come to real life because she's here for this morally courageous, handsome murder. Luigi Mangione, Carol. Well, it's funny because you were talking about her past at the Washington Post and the New York Times. And part of her role was to be the voice of the youth. And as she got older and older, everyone was like, she doesn't know what the youth are saying. She's, you know, older at this point. So I think her attempt to use

standing is an attempt to connect with the, with the kids, as they say. But standing is actually also like a decade old, if not more. It comes from the Eminem song Stan to it means to be a huge insane fan of something. And I think there's some better language that she could have chosen for the CNN audience. Look at you. I don't know. I didn't know the origin of standing. You pulled out M&M. I'm cool. Part of me when I watch this clip gets angry because, I mean, this is morally repugnant. She is lionizing.

She's actually like kind of, I don't know about lusting, maybe, after a guy because he committed murder. And she was a voice of prominence. But then part of me is like, she's just laughable. I mean, everything about her is laughable, from using Stan to hiding her age, to crying on camera about the abuse she's received, now she's champing a murder. And I just think at some point, like, really, what does she represent? Does she represent actually a big part of America? Or does she represent a really small group of people who brunch, no offense, Dan, who brunch in Brooklyn and know who Taylor Lorenz is?

It's tough to say. There was a recent study out, I think, like last week, that over half of leftists believe that violence is acceptable. And it wasn't like punch in the face violence. The question was whether assassinating Donald Trump would be acceptable. And over half said it would be. So we're actually facing this problem where this assassination culture, that's what the people of the report called it, is spreading. I'm getting served this kind of rhetoric and this kind of imagery on Facebook all the time. And I always saw Facebook as like where your mom goes, where your grandma is on Facebook

to collect recipes and connect with her friends from 40 years ago. It's not supposed to be this place of violent rhetoric and kind of insane imagery. I get served Donald Trump assassination imagery often. And so I think this kind of thing is spreading. I guess Taylor Rends is a fringe figure, but I think she is actually speaking for a segment of the left that considers violence just part of the equation. and thinks it's okay to kill people who you simply don't like. Well, there, and there's, you had that, that study from a week ago.

And then there's a couple of examples just in the last couple of days. There's a kid who's been arrested, who was, who was fantasizing, threatening, talking about killing Donald Trump. This is just in the last couple of days. Apparently, he's connected to some kind of cult, which among other things was neo-Nazi, but nihilistic. And then you also have whatever happened, we don't know yet, with Governor Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania where his house was firebombed.

I mean, a guy snuck in the mansion, the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. He threw like several Molotov cocktails, which were beer bottles filled with gasoline and torch the place. Governor Shapiro and his family got out. We don't know this guy's motivations from what I understand. But yeah, I mean, this assassination culture, this tolerance of violence. and it is on the left. I think it's actually bigger than the left. It's actually a lot of America's all of a sudden looking this way, but certainly pronounced and more so pronounced on the

left. Absolutely. And of course Donald Trump has been attempted assassination twice now. That's quite a lot. And so I am concerned that that is becoming a more normalized thing to say and think on the left than it had been in the past. Of course, it goes beyond just the left. Of course, as violence in every sector of society. But I just think, again, the acceptability of it. I don't see kind of the right-wing violent imagery on Facebook. I don't see it in normal, more normal circumstances. And so I do think the left is becoming more violent, more angry, more accepted of this kind of thing. The whole Tesla thing, you know, where people are keying Teslas across the country, it might seem like, oh, this is no big deal, but it actually is a big deal to destroy somebody's property because

you disagree with the CEO of the company that they bought the car from. That's quite a leap. So I think all of this is heading in a bad direction. I hope that Democrats start speaking up for this kind of thing and saying not just it's unacceptable, but we will punish this. We will make sure that these people are held accountable. Because saying, you know, this is unacceptable. Hey, it has no home here. All of that rhetoric is meaningless. You have to hold these people accountable or is going to continue. What do you think is the primary driver of this shift, of this, this growing embrace of violence? Now, I'm going to give you sort of a multiple choice.

These are things I'm considering that are driving this. The easy one to talk about is media rhetoric. And it's true. Media rhetoric has gotten increasingly irresponsible and bombastic. And while Fox is often like, everybody's like, oh, that's where it's, no, I do not think that you will hear the type of stuff on Fox that you will hear quite honestly on CNN or MSNBC and then repeated by the likes of Taylor Lorenz whether or not at the Washington Post

of the New York Times and that is where you're constantly in this existential crisis and there is a devil figure out there or figures in Trump or Musk or Heggseth or whatever that threaten to take away your very rights, that

threaten your very existence and that is on a nightly basis like that is pumped into the bloodstream on a nightly basis. And I think MSNBC is the worst offender of it, but look, they don't have much of an audience at all. But you don't need much of an audience. A couple hundred thousand will do the trick. So that takes me to the second thing. The second thing would just be pure on Trump derangement syndrome. Like we've done, we're a decade into this now. So we have a population of people that have been raised with this insanity. They've been raised. And even if they're not

consuming MSNBC or Taylor Lorenz they're swimming in the waters of it for a decade of living life like it's the handmade's tale but then the third might be the most concerning for me which is and this is kind of the conversation we've had around tariffs and other things like we do have simultaneously a rise of income inequality in America combined with the belief there is a systemic stagnation on the middle class and below so in other words nobody gets cares that are rich guy gets rich unless you feel like you can't also get rich, right? If you feel like there's a systemic pressure stagnating you and you can't make progress, then you have a real malaise that is beyond political ideology. And we've seen that play out. Well, then it's the French Revolution or whatever

it may be. That usually is a symptom of a society that then turns to civil discord and potentially violence. I do think it's a combination of those things. I think the fourth thing that I would add is that on the right, there's a lot of self-policing. If you said something that was really kind of violent or would maybe spur someone to violence, they'd be a thousand think pieces tomorrow and all the right-wing outlets saying, you know, Will Kane, I don't stand with him, that what he said is inappropriate. But on the left, it not only goes excused, but they kind of support each other in this. They say, oh, he didn't mean that. Or this is, you're taking this out of context. That's what's happening with the Taylor Wrens thing right now. We've heard what she said

and yet the left is self-protecting and saying, oh, you know, she didn't really say what you heard that she said. Of course, you're right that in societies that people feel like they're not getting ahead because of somebody. But often that kind of thing really is spurred by someone else. Like I think of Shegevara T-shirts, you know, when the left of where's that kind of thing or or the French Revolution, like you said, it is actually somebody turning these people against somebody who generally has nothing to do with whether their lives are better or worse.

Elon Musk has nothing to do with whether somebody gets ahead or not. He's not stopping anybody from getting ahead. So I think they are being kind of led to this. And I think that on the left, there needs to be more self-policing. They cannot allow this kind of rhetoric to go on with nobody stopping in to say,

You can't say this kind of thing. Carol, let's do some self-reflection. You're Jewish, a big supporter of Israel. Do you think that the right, I just listened to Douglas Murray and Dave Smith debate on the Joe Rogan podcast last week. Douglas is, and it's a fascinating debate on many levels. It's unproductive as well on many levels, but I still thought it was important to listen to. It's three hours. And I'm not going to do a full breakdown on it.

I'm not taking sides. I think both guys made an interesting points. I actually don't think there was a big winner in it. I think certain people came out on top during certain sections of the conversation, and it flipped throughout the conversation. I truly think that. That's my honest opinion.

But underneath a lot of what Douglas Murray has to say as they debate Israel and so forth is he thinks the right is flirting with anti-Semitism, and they use Michael Malice's quote in their both of them. They both like Michael Malice several times. you're supposed to take one red pill, not the whole bottle. What do you think is the problem? Do you think that this is true?

Do you think this is a problem on the right? I think it is developing into a problem on the right. I think anti-Semitism in America has been a left-wing phenomenon for most of my life. And I think that that has gone excused again. Left kind of gets away with this kind of thing. And I do see it growing on the right now. I think the differences on the left, you have anti-Semites actually in government. I don't have a problem. I can't think of really a politician that I have a problem

with on the right who I would think was anti-Semitic. So it's very different from the left and the right. I do see that a lot of this, again, taking the red pill whole bottle thing, where there is kind of this message being spread on the right, like don't trust Jews. And it's not just about Israel. That's really where I think people get lost in the weeds that has very little to do with Israel. And on the right, the support of Israel is largely let them fight their own war. On the right, no one's like, let's send troops over to Israel. Let's help them, you know, get into a war with Iran. I largely do not see that at all. So I don't think it's Israel related as much as it is, you know, one of the oldest hatreds in the book and the fact that it does make people more popular.

Taylor Lorenz made this great point that she picked up a large amount of new, new listeners when she started talking about how great Louis Jim Mangione is, I think the same kind of phenomenon is happening on the right. When you're a minority bulls on the right and criticizing Jews and spreading these kinds of weird ideas like, oh, Jews did 9-11 or that kind of thing, I think you are going to pick up some segment of the population that wants to hear something controversial like that. So I'm still more worried about it on the left.

I absolutely have my eye on the right as well. I don't think largely these people are conservatives either. Like I think, you know, you and I've had this conversation in the past. Is Joe Rogan a conservative? Is Ian Carroll a conservative? Is Dave Smith a conservative? I don't see any of these people as conservatives. More of the Will Cain Show right after this.

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Well, no, and I think most of those guys would not, I don't know even, Carol, the other two wouldn't describe themselves as conservatives. See, I think, and I don't think Rogan's making, I actually don't, I don't think Rogan's making any mistake. I think these conversations should be had, and I don't sort of subscribe to the, it's a complicated question, the whole expertise conversation that Douglas Murray wanted to have about who's an expert on a subject, because we've seen such failings of experts, that maybe that's the point, okay? So I think there's a little bit of a risk on the right. It's less to do about anti-Semitism and more to do with because institutions had lied so. readily over the last, well, at this point, let's call it 10 years, because it does actually go back into the Trump administration with, you know, the institutions, including the FBI that push forward things like the Russia hoax. So you have so many lies that are pushed so long that a lot

of people like begin to distrust everything, every single thing, every initial narrative. That's fine. Distrust is fine. But it then becomes this because kind of like you said, That's a great line you put out. Taylor Lawrence goes, my audience never grew more than when I started talking about Louiege. Well, who gives a shit about your audience?

Like, I mean, what are you talking about? That was to get more followers. That's validation of what you were talking about. My point is, I think there is audience capture and traction. And you're like, oh, I'm finding a market in this. I'm finding a market in saying, here's the story, but that's not what really happened.

And I'm open. Like me, I want to be an open-minded person and I'm distrustful of original narratives and I'm distrustful of institutions. But on the right, I do think that's taking off to a degree that it's a never-ending thing. Like every, you're a pawn on everything. Everything you're upon on, nothing is true. Right.

Well, that's the whole thing, right? You need some basis of truth. And of course, I'm suspicious of the expert class. Of course I am. And in the last 10 years has been kind of an education on that. But that doesn't mean like a Candace Owens, for example, who ends up arguing there were no dinosaurs, we never landed on the moon, you know, all of the, one conspiracy theory leads to all the other conspiracy theories. And I see the same thing with Ian Carroll. It is the taking

the whole red pill bottle. But of course there is a difference between that and say Joe Rogan, who I don't think is necessarily steeped in that conspiracy theory world. He is giving kind of space to that. And I don't know that that's the best way to handle it. In a lot of sense, in a lot of times, I think it's good to hear these perspectives in order to be able to shoot them down, but you have to be able to shoot them down. You have to have the research and the background yourself to say, this isn't true, this isn't true, this isn't true. So it's a tough spot.

Again, I worry about anti-Semitism on the right, but it is here and now and really prevalent on the left, and I still think that's where it needs to be fought. All right, let's talk about everyone's talking about Stephen A. Smith, And I think it's because he went on this week on ABC. And they asked him about running for president. And he basically said, yeah, I'm going to keep that door open. I'm here to tell you, as somebody who knows Stephen A.

I'm not telling you you I've talked to him. I do not think Stephen A. Smith will run for president. I think the cost is way too high. That he makes a lot of money at ESPN and Disney. I don't think he's going to walk away from that for the risk of a presidential run. that being said he's being taken seriously and I go back and forth on this like I've told Stephen A

like dude you shouldn't run for president and I hope you're never president and he'll laugh and go like I'm not I shouldn't be he'll agree like right now I shouldn't be but his contention is if I study and I dig in I'll be better than all these other guys

maybe but he does have something that no one else has on the left and that is like personality and charisma and charm and the ability to command an audience. Yeah. Well, I actually think Stephen A is at his most likable when you and him were talking. So if you would run as his vice president, you know, maybe we could have a cross party.

Never. You know, he only got recently interested in politics. So I'm always kind of curious about these people who woke up one day decided they'd be into politics and then run for president. And I'm not sure that that's really. what the best move for him here is. He is becoming more of a mainstream figure and more of a, like, less of just a sports guy and less of a left-wing sports guy because he goes on the view and challenges them. He could be a talk show host.

I could see him getting into maybe not late night necessarily, but a daytime talk show host or something like that. I could see him taking a different role. But again, unless you're his VP, I don't see him running for president. So two points on this. I think they're interesting. One, David Marcus, our mutual friend, he has a column up saying, sorry Stephen A. Democrats don't allow outsiders.

And he's 100% right. Marcus is right. Like, they didn't let Bernie Sanders. So why are they going to let Stephen A. Smith? The establishment machine of Democrat Party politics will not allow that. That being said, it's really pronounced among Democrats. But it was pronounced among Republicans. And Donald Trump, people forget, that's the first battle he won, was to destroy the

Republican apparatus designed to keep somebody like from, like Donald Trump from running for president. That was a huge victory. And that was my second thing, Carol, people don't appreciate in retrospect two things about Donald Trump. One, what I just laid out to you. Like the ability to win a Republican primary and win over the Republican Party might have been the most monumental step to start with that anyone could take. And the second is he had an issue set. And his issue set was in touch with America and out of touch with Republicans. This was when Mitt Romney lost

and people were saying we need to moderate on immigration. And here comes Donald Trump going, no, we're not. We're tripling down on immigration. And he drove an issue set that attracted voters. And honestly, right now,

the issue set for Stephen A is like race. It's like DEI. And that one ain't going to fly as his unique thing that he can forward. Right. And I think one of their kind of things that they have in common is Donald Trump said what he meant.

And that was unique. I remember in 2016, it rubbed people the wrong way. It rubbed me the wrong way sometimes. I didn't like that he just said whatever he was thinking. And I definitely learned some important lessons along the way from that. I think Stephen A has that same thing where he just says what he thinks and doesn't really consider that people are going to not like that. And that's a plus.

That's a plus when you're in the political sphere. Again, you're right that the Democrats kind of. kind of self-police in a way that Republicans simply don't. I don't think he gets through a primary. I think the Democrats close ranks, get in the smoke-filled-back room and decide what to do about him. But it will be interesting to watch him expose that if he does decide to run. Here's what Stephen A. said on ABC.

Are you really thinking about running for president? Is this something you think of this? Listen, I have no choice because I've had elected officials and I'm not going to give their names elected officials coming up to me. I've had folks who are pundits come up to me. I've had folks that got a lot of money, billionaires and others that have talked to me about exploratory committees and things of that nature. I'm not a politician. I've never had a desire to be a politician. I just signed a contract extension with ESPN. I am very, very happy with my day job. I'm very happy with my boss is. It's a pretty damn good one. Just right. It's a pretty damn good

contract. I couldn't be happier. But here's the reality. People literally, people have walked up to me, including my own pastor for crying out loud, who has said to me, you don't know what God has planned for you, at least show the respect to the people who believe in you, who respect you, who believe that you can make a difference in this country, to leave the door open for any possibilities two to three years down the line. So, Carol, this morning on Fox, they had a list of potential Democrat candidates. I was just looking at the list. Josh Shapiro's on the list.

Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer. I was just kind of looking across the list. I was like, no, no, no. The one that I stopped down on was Westmore. And honestly, Pete Higgseth used to tell me that, hey, that guy has talent. That's going to be a guy they're going to start pointing to it in the future.

He's the governor of Maryland, right? Westmore. And I haven't seen a lot of Westmore, but maybe he's the guy we're not paying enough attention to. Maybe. I do hear kind of from my friends who live in Maryland that they're not big fans. Of course, they're mostly on the right. I don't know what that will showcase into.

It's tough for someone like that to break through unless they're already on the national stage because it's coming up. You know, Donald Trump only has this one term. They're going to have to turn to somebody that already has somewhat of a national profile. It will be funny if they run Kamala Harris again. I kind of don't see that happening, although maybe she gives it another shot and tries to be more herself this time. Maybe Jared Polis from Colorado, I could see him appealing, having some cross-appeal. But Stephen A makes good points that if God wants you to run and if he's urging you to run,

maybe he does make that attempt. All right, last topic with Carol Markowitz here. By the way, make sure you check out Carol's one of her two podcasts normally or the Carol Markowitz show and get that wherever you like, your Spotify, Apple, wherever you get podcast. That is, last week, Donald Trump, right before the market rally, when it hit its sort of bottom midweek last week, he tweeted out this. He said that now would be a good time to buy. This is a great time to buy, triple exclamation point, DJT.

A few hours later, the market rallies because he announces that he's putting a 90-day pause on the tariffs. Now, that's led Democrats like Cory Booker to say this. Do you think there's any evidence that anyone profited off of these tariffs? There is enough of an offense here. There's enough smoke here that should demand congressional hearings. We are a separate and equal branch of government. The Constitution lays out very clearly that Congress is not supposed to be spineless and submissive. It is supposed to hold oversight over the president.

These are real legitimate, justifiable questions. and not to have hearings, not to do any kind of oversight undermines the faith we have in our government, undermines the trust we need in our nation right now. And so from the signal gate all the way to this kind of symbols or signs of corruption, Congress should be doing its job. Oh, I'm actually glad that Senator Booker of New Jersey brought up Signalgate, because I don't know, they want to look in to see what, if Donald Trump's friends profited after he said now is a good time to buy, and that's somehow

insider trading, which is usually for your own pecuniary benefit or somebody's given you a kickback or something like that. But he brings up Signalgate because it seems to me like it's another story less even so than Signalgate where week to week they're grasping at straws to find anything to get on the front foot. Right. That's exactly what's happening here. They are so lost and so confused in this second Donald Trump term. They don't know what to grasp on to. And they want to find something on him. But him publicly tweeting or saying truthing that now is a good time to buy.

Of course, it was a good time to buy. The market was down. You buy the dip. Everybody knows that. So I don't think there was anything insider trading at that point. And the idea that Quarry Booker can just say, oh, there was smoke and we think that there might be something there. And now we want to look into it. there were four years of the Biden administration smoke.

There was four years of Hunter Biden making obvious deals on behalf of his dad or selling his paintings for exorbitant amount of money for people who wanted access to his father. There was no smoke then. Cory Booker didn't see any smoke then. So spare me this whole thing. When Donald Trump tells the American people to buy from the stock market, buy stocks, he's not just saying it to his friends and his allies. He's telling all of us the obvious that when the stock market is down.

He's really told all of America. Yeah. Yeah. He told all of America. By the way, also, if they want to open this can of worms inside our trading, I think the American public is good with that. Okay, let's do that. Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, I'll tell you, I go out and people, that, this story is brought up to me

often how much Washington politicians seem to be really good traders and make money when they're in office. And the most notorious of which is Nancy Pelosi, which we do have Nancy Pelosi's recent trading stats. She's got a tracker on her stocks inside tracker. And I believe is this one, NVIDIA guys, her trading NVIDIA?

She's made $15 million this year alone on her positions and is already up $2 million, which is 10 times her annual salary, off one NVIDIA trade, the greatest to ever do it, Nancy Pelosi. She's just a talent, Will. She's just a financial talent. Yeah.

I mean, the fact that you could follow Nancy Pelosi's trades and make money for yourself is a tell that there's something going on there. Of course, there's a delay on those trades. If you don't find out until a little bit after she makes them. But if you could follow her exact pattern, we could be very, very rich. And obviously, I think that there's more there. And I would welcome an investigation into that. And that goes for Republican, you know, Congress. people as well. If they're doing anything shady, I want to know about it.

Absolutely. So be ready. If you want to open that investigation, Senator Book, we're ready to look into the insider trading of all public politicians. Okay, remember, check out the Carol Markowitz show or normally, which co-os with Mary Catherine Ham, right? And you can go get those at Spotify or Apple or check her at the New York Post and Fox News.com as well. It's Carol Markowitz. Thanks so much, Carol. Thanks so much, Will. Love being on with you. okay take care all right let's take a quick break when we come back um the quarterback at the university of tennessee is now gone why he wanted four million dollars a year at this stage in the game they offered two no it's over how do you have a deal where they end up with no quarterback and

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Ami Elava. Who's no longer of all, and they don't have a quarterback. It's the Will Kane Show on Fox News.com at Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook. hit subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. So fellas, this is a bad deal. So Nico Ami Aleva. How am I doing on that? Does anyone know?

Ami Leva. He's the quarterback for the University of Tennessee. What's up, tinfoil? Am I doing well? We're calling him, Nico, I'm a Leva. Wow. He's out the door. I'm a Leva.

Nice. Which recruiting class was he in? He was in Arch Manning's. I think he was the number. two quarterback after Arch in his year. He played decently at Tennessee, not out of sight, pretty good, ups and downs. NIL deal of, I believe, offer on the table was $2 million, little over $2 million. He didn't want that.

He wanted more. Reports already asked for $4 million in NIL. Let me just take a minute. It's not a shameless plug to say, I know you're listening, you're going, what in the world what's going on with these NIL things? go to Spotify, subscribe to the Will Kane Show. We had an incredible one-hour conversation with Gabe Feldman, who's a sports law professor at Tulane, and he's the compliance provost for the Green Wave, for the Tulane University.

He laid out the house settlement. It's three parts that's coming down for college football. It includes vetting NIL deals, one, a salary cap for each college at $25 million to be spent however you want. doesn't have to all be spent on football and roster and scholarship limits for all sports he broke it all down it's great it's a great conversation to understand what's happening in college football and as a side note if you're getting that canaan sports

Friday edition guys I spent my weekend playing with mock draft simulators this is what I do sometimes when I have some free time I love it can't explain it I love it and our last conversation with Merrill Hage really impacted me as well Merrill Hodge did a lot of quarterback and running running back breakdown for us in this coming NFL draft. Merrill's really good.

He's a thinker. Like, he is a thinker on this stuff. And I came away from that. Cam Ward is going to be the number one pick, right? I mean, after listening to Merrill, that ain't going to work out. I mean, Merrill was like, nope, nope. So if you're a Titans fan, I don't know. I mean, everybody's wrong here and there.

But Merrill was right about Johnny Menzel. He's been right about a lot of these guys. And he has his rationale, too, why he doesn't see it for cam ward um but on this note like nico amylaiva so all of a sudden now tennessee says we're done no more money we're not negotiating and he says i'm gone then i'm going somewhere else and you're in the spring portal window now and it just makes me wonder we have no contracts in college football but you can ask for however much money you want pretty much at any schedule you want you've got a winter and spring transfer portal window and

Tennessee's in a tough spot. They can go find a quarterback in the spring portal, but you're talking about it's late now. You've got to go through fall camp, which is in the summer, or you're going to be starting like a freshman. And that's a playoff team from a year ago. That's a good team

that is now quarterbackless. And how's it going to be better for Nico out there? Where's he going to go and get $4 million? Like this is a situation where because there's no contracts, and you can say contracts bind people in, keeps you under market rate, Yeah, and maybe I'm wrong Maybe within two weeks

He's going to have a $4 million deal from UCLA I don't know But I doubt it right now Right now it's they're saying UCLA maybe USC For Nico Ami Leva And it's They've got to get this college football stuff

Figured out ASAP Or it's going to be a total catastrophe Go ahead Dan I just got to say I hate it all I don't like any of it I think it detracts from the game and how we watch it, how we play it, how we look at it. I just don't, I think it should go back to the way college was. I just don't like any of you.

I understand they need to make money off their likenesses, things like that. I think other things can be done. I just don't, I think it screws everything up. That's just my opinion. Can I ask a question? So you were on the Dan Patrick Show. I don't know when you left the Dan Patrick Show. Because I was on sports.

1. About when I left sports radio, a little after. that conversation was in 2020 and 2019 and I'm going to tell you for certainty it was wrapped up in the George Floyd racial you know reckoning of America not that they're directly tied but the narrative around it you know that college football is a plantation and these kids are all taking advantage of and I remember the debate because I was on the other side and I was only on the other side by saying you don't know what you're doing to college football not that i did but that you don't like this is sort of the libertarian conservative point of view of unintended consequences

you're messing with something and you have no idea how it's going to shake out and i never got good rebuttals other than what are you talking about these kids will get paid what they're worth and it will be all better it'll i mean it's just like the i hated it moral appeal, right? Like, and that's a valid argument. But we are seeing something totally destroyed. Like, whatever college football was five years ago, it no longer is. And we'll only get worse.

And by the way, again, coming out of that Gabe Feldman conversation, I'm sorry, Dan, but it's only going to get worse. Like, the House settlement is not going to save this. Because what's going to happen is they have $25 million salary cap. And let's say they give 75% to the football. players, right? He said most power four conferences will. What's going to happen? Well, the female athletes are going to sue for gender equity. They're going to sue for their half of that money. And then what's going to happen? The football players are going to sue. They're going to sue like, we bring in 95% of the revenue and you're only given us 75% or you're only given us 50%? Why are you

giving all this money to a lacrosse player, even if it's not a female lacrosse player, a male? Why are you giving it to him? We're the one that earned the money. So it's going to be a mess. I don't know how they're going to sort this out to where college football is not a mess. I don't know. The foreseeable future. On into the distance.

I mean, we started talking about this on Dan's show in like 2015. It was always a conversation every year. And every year I was saying this because it's a slippery slope, just like you said, once you do one thing, a million other things are going to have to happen. And then it's going to be a completely different picture we're looking at. down the road like it is now like it's getting like it's going to be five years from now go ahead james do you think there's an analogy to the political world too where you you are on the

outside you say all these things that need to happen and how it should be and then you're in charge of governing and you make some big sweeping changes and there's a thousand things that you maybe have to account for at some point yes and i also think i've accused the left of this for a long time. Destruction is easy, creation is hard. It's easy to destroy things that you think are wrong. That doesn't mean you shouldn't creatively destruct things that are wrong, but that's why we celebrate creative destructors. They don't just take a reckon ball to things. They create something new that replaces it. That's creative destruction. And it's easy to destroy college football, but you have nothing to replace it with. Now, what will be the end result?

probably semi-pro football, don't you think? Or, um... Minor leagues? Is it even going to be semi-pro? No. No, I don't want to care about that. It's, that's not the word for it. It would be like, um...

I don't know, division two football. Minor league football. Kind of like a minor league. Yeah. But their revenue is going to have to be separated. But it'll be the minor league for the sport that gets paid in America. Yeah. Percentage of guys that don't go anywhere anyways.

I mean, you've had a whole, pool of guys that want to play. Hasn't it always been minor league football, though? Yeah, essentially. Yeah, but it's a complete secondary professional ranks. It's going to have to be separated from the rest of college sports, in which case then the rest of college sports will wither. It will because now that revenue has to be given back to the football players. Well, the NCAA does. If that withers, and everything changes, no conferences, they make one big league like it's the NFL. There's an eastern, western conference, something like that. a whole different thing.

By the way, on the destruction thing, and basketball makes very little. And basketball makes very little. So, I mean, you're already seeing basketball players, you know, increasingly go to like Australia or the G League. Make money. Because they feel like they can make more money in the year they're supposed to take off

before they can go to the NBA. I don't, you know what else is going to destroy? Gender equity. like Title IX, I don't know how that continues to survive because all the non-revenue sports are subsidized off of football revenue. So if we take football revenue out and it no longer subsidizes everything, all these women's sports are going to disappear.

So will the men's sports. All the non-revenue generating sports will begin to disappear to some great degree. So women athletes will end up with fewer opportunities. Because, now listen, you can say, so be it. The football players are the ones that earn the money. They should get the money. But this is the whole destruction and unintended consequences thing. Like, you can't just pick your battles going, this is right, this is right,

because you start morally getting contradictory. The same people that were making the plantation arguments about this are the same people talking about gender equity in sports. I mean, they just generally are. And I think they should have been able to make money off their likeness. Like Johnny Mansell signing jerseys, that's fine. I think that would be okay. But going down this road of NIL and everything that's tied to your school and your game, I think it was a terrible idea.

Because if you're signing things or making appearances and making money that way, that's based on your popularity, not based on the sports program you're playing for at your school. Well, according to Feldman, again, in that episode of our show, they're going to try to rein that in. They're going to create a third-party vetting system for NIL deals to see if they're true market deals. this is something again I talked about in 2019 I don't know how they're ever going to do that like how are you ever going to say that's a legit marketing deal that's not that's worth this on the market

but you're getting three times that thus you're playing the player like I don't know how you're ever going to do that it's kind of wild like pro football is actually more coherent it's just all so incoherent I never thought I'd see the day yeah

Well, good luck. Good luck. Actually, I'm going to say this. Good luck to the University of Tennessee. I mean, it is two parties thinking that they can do better without each other, but my suspicion is they're both going to be much worse off. Goodbye to Nico Ami Aleva. And goodbye to you.

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