Will Cain Country - Kelsey Grammer: What Americans Have Forgotten About Freedom

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

As America quickly approaches her landmark 250th birthday, the foundational principles of our nation are under constant threat from those looking to rewrite our past. However, it’s not too late to steer things in the right direction. Legendary actor, comedian, and director Kelsey Grammer joins Will to discuss his brand-new FOX Nation special, 'The Patriot War,' sounding the alarm on why we cannot afford to lose sight of our true history and the hard-fought meaning of American freedom. Plus, Will and The Crew dive into the Left’s obsession with President Donald Trump’s reflecting pool renovation, Will’s interview with Jeff Metcalf, and why Lionel Messi is the greatest of all time, even in Dallas. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the Will Cain Facebook page, but always here by simply following us at Spotify or on Apple. What's up, boys? What's up? We're just waiting on Mr. Grammar's. Be sat and then I'll be ready to go. All right.

Kelsey Grammer should be joining us in just any moment here. Is that him? That might be him. That might be him. Directly. Calling tinfoil Pat. Phone's ringing, Patrick. I want to hear.

I wish it wasn't muted. The phone. The phone is ringing. There's an animal in trouble. There's an animal in trouble. Name that show. I don't know. Come on.

I don't know. Wonder pets. Okay. You know, if you ever have a kid, you know, shoot, Connor may be the right age over there to have watched the wonder pets. If you ever have a kid, you know, you're in that age. range it's like I don't know three to eight or what maybe before I can't even remember when they're watching those children's TV shows whatever they're watching that little jingle that song is burned into your head for the rest of your life yeah well yeah oh blues clues wonder pets

the uh paul patrol the good door the explorer my my sister with little kids is all paup patrol you mean you don't even have a choice that's just burned into your head And apparently it will stick for the rest of your life, which could drive you insane. I was about to play video from these people in Washington, D.C., on the National Mall. You know, the reflecting pool has become, like, I don't know, the biggest story in America. It must be, hey, you want to, here's the truth, it must be working. I mean, I saw yesterday MS Now's ratings are doing pretty good lately. And I was like, whoa, it does feel like we're in a lull a little bit in the news cycle.

You know, to be honest, you wake up every day. Like, what is the big story? What are we talking about? I don't know. Maybe it's the reflecting pool over there on MS now because I was looking at the ratings. They had a good couple days this last week. So maybe we need to start going all in on algae in the reflecting pool. It's the biggest story in America.

You know what? We will. We will. We will do that. We will. We will do that. We're going to go all in on that here shortly. But we're joined now by Fox Nations.

The Patriot's War, the Patriots War, it's hosted by Kelsey Grammer, and Kelsey Grammer joins us. Now, hey, Kelsey. Hey, man, how's it going? Thanks for having me. Good. It's good. Yeah, it's good to have you back. It's good to have you back.

And you're back. You're back. Talking about American history, this time it's up at Fox Nation. I think six episodes, or three are up, and three more are coming, I think, this weekend, where we, where we look at the stories, you know, from the beginning of the nation. But beyond the stories, what I like about this, Kelsey, is it's the process of, in part, telling us about these men, the men that become simply larger than life figures in our textbooks and literally statues that we see when we walk by, George Washington, Alexander Hamlets, and Thomas Jefferson.

But they become real men in this process of the Patriot War. Yeah, I think we have an obligation to revivify these guys as they were. You know, I mean, they aren't, I mean, it's one of the most common sort of snubs about our founding fathers is that there was a bunch of old white guys. Well, they were really just a bunch of young men who were willing to die for something they believed in. We tend to obscure that a bit when we refer to them as just a bunch of powdered-wigged dandies. these guys were fighting for a new form of government that has never been tried before at the time. And they made a difference. They made a difference that, you know, still refracts through our lives today.

And it's worth noting, it's worth praising them for it, and it's worth thanking them for it. I think the adjective that you used it that we don't fully appreciate often is they were young men. These guys were really young. Like, what was Jefferson when he was tasked with sitting down and writing the Declaration of In Thomas Jefferson was 33 years old when he wrote the declaration of independence, perhaps the most important political document in history. And that puts him on the older end, right? Some of these guys were in their 20s. I think early 20s are back. Some of them. More of the rabble-Rouser guys were more in their 20s. And, of course, Washington was, you know, a little bit older. But he'd fought in a war before. He'd been, you know, he was battle seasoned, I guess, you could say. But of course, he hadn't had to have. had great successes, but he did have great courage. And that had been marked and documented,

and people understood that this was a man capable of extraordinary self-sacrifice. And that's who they needed at the top of a nation that would actually be about guaranteeing liberties for every person alive. I mean, that was an extraordinary experiment. Let's talk more about Washington. He's the subject, really, of the first episode of the Patriot War. So you talked about he hadn't necessarily met with a ton of victories before he was handed over this army. But then interestingly, he didn't meet with immediate success either. He lost two major American cities within about a year's time frame, Philadelphia, and what was it? Is it Boston?

The other one that he had lost. And yet, New York, did anyone, did he, did anyone ever second-guess the choice for Washington to lead the Continental Army? Well, we don't know about it. There's not a lot of people that said, oh, yeah, I'd rather do it instead. I'd do it better than George would. I don't remember ever hearing that anywhere. I think they all understood that he was probably the only guy who had the sort of the stones to pull it off, even though they knew that they were going against something extraordinarily large and difficult and challenging. And he had proven himself in that world before. He had come out not unscathed from the French Indian War, but he actually, blossomed from that as a man capable of extraordinary valor and conscience. And that was what I think was the character-building part of him that actually made them understand that this was the right man for the job. And then part of this, I think I believe in one of the episodes as well, you talk about the attempted assassination of George Washington, which is not a story that you you hear a lot about. What is the story behind the attempted assassination?

Well, Benedict Arnold set up his friends. They were best friends. He was going to kill him. But they consistently, I mean, they put a bounty on his head, like, right away. I mean, there was always an energy that was trying to take him down. George Washington was, you know, public enemy number one for the English. I mean, he was the guy at the top of the food chain. He was the one that was, boy, they got him, they're done.

You get the chief, he's gone. Right. The whole cause is lost. But he was just a remarkable guy, his tenacity, his understanding of what it was to actually spirit people onto something, to be able to hang in as long as he did for certain things. I mean, he was fighting a war where a third of the people weren't interested. They wanted to stay under British rule. Some of them left, and a third of the country didn't even care. One way or the other, the other third was with him.

And it was his sort of force of will that actually sustained the movement, sustained the cost to the point where we actually won. It's amazing. And he said himself, you know, he said himself, you know. That you just described. Oh yeah. A third didn't care. Just as bad as it is now.

A third was with the British. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And we got, you know, now we're, the battle lines are drawn again all the time, but most of them are just really political. There are some people bending the rules a little bit and going a little bit. too far on the physical end of it and hopefully they'll be put down actually in time.

Because violence is not the means to an end, a good end in this country. We have learned that the peaceful transfer power is the most important thing about this country and I want to see that sustained. I'm quite upset about what's going on in terms of thinking people can get in the street and start to riot and change things. It's effective in some ways, but we don't want to go back to the times what they were doing in Italy, you know, before he'll doche and stuff like that. They were really killing each other. And I see that sort of gleam in the eye of some people.

It's not most. I think most Americans still love America. But the noisy ones usually get the attention. And I'd like that to change. Well, it's interesting, Kelsey, not just get the attention, but I think you're right about your doctor. diagnosis of America. Most are not here, not in that mind state, not in that, don't have that gleam in their eye, don't have that lust for whatever is on the other side of, I don't know what we call it, political violence, riot, destruction, whatever it may be. But even you talking about

the world that George Washington fought a revolutionary war amidst where a third of the country doesn't care, a third is unionist and a third is perhaps revolutionary, it shows that power of at least not just get to gain the attention but to make serious serious change and when your country starts to go in that direction it does make you wonder where's the brake handle you know how do you how do you slow that down yeah yeah i i think uh education is going to be the key real education i'm understanding that we are connected to the same heartbeat that they had a heartbeat that pulsed with freedom and real freedom individual freedom the right to try the things that actually are important to us. And I mean, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness.

Nothing guaranteed happiness, but you were given the right to try and to make sure that you did everything you could in your power to become the vision that you had for your life. And there's no other place like this. No other sort of set of things in place. There's no other group of things in place that actually will take you from one place, just an inception of an idea to realizing that idea in such a short amount of time. This is the most powerful engine for human achievement ever, the capitalist free enterprise system that lives in America. And, you know, you can bemoan its shortcomings, and sure, everything falls short a little bit. But we are able to fix it quicker and more fairly than any other government in the world.

You know, my favorite prove-up of that right now, Kelsey, is the World Cup visitors coming to America and their revelation. seeing, you know, the truth of America. And it's a form of, to the word, the word you use is education. It's a form of education. And perhaps it's the most compelling form of education, at least for those Europeans. Like, they're not going to go home the same. And the things that they hear in their media or in their classrooms about America will never be received in the same way. But when you say education, and obviously what you're doing here with this series is part of that education, I see two problems that you're trying to overcome. The first problem is that there's a bit of a rewrite of American history. So when you describe it,

the way that it accurately is, I believe, and the history that led to this, you know, there's a real, what's the right word? Is it there's a real revulsion or real rejection of these stories? There is a lens that is pretty popular these days, from people who are really kind of in possession of extraordinary arrogance and ignorance at the same time, there is a group of people who consistently say, Thomas Jefferson, what an idiot to say that all men are created equal, and yet he was a slave owner. I mean, the man wrote, at the age of 33,

probably the most important political document in the history of mankind, and to really think that he wasn't aware of the irony, that, yes, he grew up in a system of slave owners, But they don't understand that in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, he talked about how the king had saddled them with the institution of slavery and its cruelty and how it had to go. It had to be gotten rid of. They don't talk about how Thomas Jefferson, when he was the President of the United States,

introduced a bill that did not pass but to end slavery in 1803. They don't know this. So that's why I say it's a sort of a heady combination of ignorance and arrogance because you can only take a look at something as extraordinary as the achievement of the Declaration of Independence and dismiss it if you're arrogant. And to dismiss it on the grounds that they dismiss it means you're also ignorant. So, okay, I've put myself out there. That's how I feel.

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2026 marks 250 years of America and throughout the year. Bill Hammer takes listeners on a journey through the 250 most impactful moments in American history. From the spark of revolution to the battles for freedom, the ideas, inventions and decisions that change the world. The 250 most impactful moments in American history podcast. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcasts.com. Well, I love it. I love that because that's exactly what I'm talking about, okay? But then there's a secondary education component, Kelsey, right? And it is that I think, perhaps more innocently,

there's a lot of Americans who look at these stories, like you just said, through the lens of the powdered wig. Like, how do I relate to something that, you know, I'm astounded by, you know, man on the street interviews about what people know about American history, American figures. So our storytellers have an obligation to do this better. Well, tell me about that. Because you're right. I think it's hard for people.

I think it's hard to reach back in history and turn these human beings into somebody that you can relate to. Right, right. Well, that's the point. So you just have to come at it from a place where you recognize. So a guy like me or any other than other historians that we know has an obligation to, to say, okay, you're this fella, here's this fella, this is what you have in common. And those common bonds are the things we need to explore. And we have dropped that from our education system, which I think is unfortunate, but we can make up for it.

And I mean, I've started this thing called the American Revelation, which is like a play on words with revolution. It's revealing the causes behind how we got to where we got. And if you reveal that these are men just like you, these are men just like us, these are young people. just like us. People who had dreams and hopes and alliances and disappointments and tragedies, and they still fought for something they called freedom. Freedom is not a dirty word. Listen, I actually think we've come a long way since maybe eight or nine years ago, it almost seemed like freedom was a dirty word. But if people don't understand that the, like for instance, flying the American flag, the story behind what happened on the night Francis Scott Key wrote those words,

is extraordinary. There were a hundred English battleships out on the horizon of the sea, and Francis Scott Key was sent to negotiate a prisoner swap. The British Admiral told him, he says, you see the flag over there, that flag, you will not be there tomorrow, you may as well spend the night. So he spent the night on board that British man of war and prayed that the flag would remain standing. And the only way it stood and the only way it remained standing

was that someone died and another man took his place. And another man and another man and another man. And holding up that flag was a personal cost. And if we understand things like that, we'll fly the flag. We won't burn it anymore.

We understand what it costs somebody. Some young man who had dreams and a family and hopes and believed in something bigger than himself rushed up and took a hit for this country. For us. He did it for us. and we won't we won't you know jefferson francis got key henry knox george washington alexander hamilton these are the characters that are part of your your series on fox nation um the

well what was it going to ask you kelsey gosh i was listening to you wax eloquently and i was thinking about these characters uh i care about it's well i love i love that i know what i was going to ask you so you think about these guys through the lens of risk right And there's, and you touched on a moment ago, there is the risk, the bravery, the ambition to, that we see that it's almost, this is almost easier to see through history, through time, the literal battle, the odds against the British. And then I think there's a tale on that character, that trait that carries America, this is my, I'm waxing now, for at least 100 years, 150 years, right, that meant that same kind of risk tolerance. manifesting in pushing west or drilling oil or starting businesses. And I do think it's the cultural distinguishing factor that makes us different than Europe. I think that, if you distilled it, it's that.

Here's my question for you. We still have it? Do we still have that, Kelsey? Or have we become the spoiled children of history? No, I believe there are maybe some spoiled children among us. And maybe that can be laid at our feet. specifically maybe that's our fault maybe we did that but there's there's still so many people that i mean my 13 year old daughter faith is this extraordinary kid she spends a lot of time upstairs

in her room but the stuff she's doing is amazing and it's hers she's an artist she's she's a digital artist it's not the way i would have done art when i was a kid but she's done some extraordinary things and this is this is the world where she lives she's not tired she's she's relentless in her pursuit of this gift she's been given that she's good at. I mean, I get inspiration all the time from young people and from the notion that, you know, that we're, nervous that they're just spent all the time on their devices. Some will, and we'll lose them, I'm afraid. But most kids, I think now are poised to say, you know, we're putting these things down. We don't need them as much as you think we do. And that's American. That's sort of

intrinsically American. There's something about the soil. I don't know, maybe it's in the water. It's, there is this dream of freedom that still sort of beats the hearts of every person here. And it connects us directly to the founding fathers. I have this line. I say, the future wisdom of this nation still lives in the words and deeds of our founding fathers. And I do believe that's true. And all we have to do is like, you know, agitate the retina. Vibrate the chord a little bit and say, listen, let's play this music together still.

It's the best music that ever was. You know, I'm halfway reticent to ask you about Alexander Hamilton because he's gotten so much ink, you know, over the past 10 years. But I was thinking about Alexander Hamilton and in your stories here on Fox Nation, you do show a little more of this guy and who he was. And he was ridiculously ambitious. And unimpressed with the tasks given to him by George Washington and thought of himself. as more than a messenger and this kind of thing. Do you, at the end of this process, do you like Alexander Hamilton? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I like him. I mean, he was, he's clearly a patriot. He's clearly

clearly willing to sacrifice himself. He just had a huge drive. And he had a notion about what heroic was, you know. He wanted to be heroic like George Washington was. He wanted wanted to prove himself in battle. He wanted to do those sort of things. But his greatest gifts were not necessarily, didn't fall into that category. But he actually did prove himself in battle. He actually did a pretty good job with the, I think it was the men from Rhode Island. And he was very impressive in that role.

Once he complained and whined enough to George Washington to say, please give me a commission. So he finally did. But the show Hamilton, for instance, is interesting. But, you know, they took a couple of liberties. You know, they had to make fun of Thomas Jefferson, you know, what did I miss and all that? None of that's particularly true, but it was fun, it was entertaining.

And it brought to life in a way that young people could relate to it, what they were going through at a day-to-day level. And that was wonderful, and the passions and the betrayals and the affair and all that stuff. I mean, it's nothing different than what we experience all the time now. I mean, Thomas Payne wrote about calumny. Calumny is basically, and that's 250 years ago, and calumny is gossip, basically, is slander. We deal with it on a daily level and a political situation,

and in our professional careers as well. People just have this thing about them. They like to go after others sometimes, and it's the smaller part of us that still gives into that stuff. But the greater angels that we have, they will rise to the occasion when they have to. I believe in America. I believe we're going to be fine.

And, you know, damn the torpedoes. These guys, they'll be okay. We'll get past it. And they will, too, honestly, I think. I think they'll see the wisdom in it of believing in America. The last question for you, Kelsey, because you've mentioned him like three times, Jefferson. I'm curious, who is your favorite? You like Hamilton.

Are these like your children? You're not going to tell me what your favorite was. you've done episodes on each one of these guys. Who is your favorite family? I like all of them. But it's, yeah, it's Thomas Jefferson. Because of his imagination, because of his scholarship and his ability. He got it.

He was able to put into words what it is that we long for, what we hunger for. Washington was able to put it into action to fight for it. But even Washington would tell you that he wasn't as eloquent. I mean, Washington did finally say, he said, listen, if anybody thinks we got here without a divine hand, without providence, then you're all crazy. But Jefferson knew how to put it into language that everybody could understand. And, of course, what's interesting is now it's all in, you know, cursive.

They don't teach cursive anymore in school. I don't think it's as diabolical as trying to distance us from our founding fathers because that's the way they wrote. But maybe. But Jefferson's my guy, yeah. I think Jefferson's my guy, too. Always has been. I like Jefferson.

And I like Kelsey Grammer as well. Kelsey Gramer and Patriot, the Patriot War, hosted by Kelsey Grammer on Fox Nation right now. It's always good to talk to you. Kelsey, thanks for spending time with us today. It's a pleasure, man. Thanks. Thank you.

All right, there he goes. From the Declaration of Independence to the betrayal of Benedict Arnold relive. The moments that forged a nation, the Patriot War, it's available now, only on Fox Nation. I've got a few of your comments here today, and tinfoil Pat also hanging out with us.

Fired up. Let's see here. You're fired up? Yeah. I love talking about America. It's fun. Finally. Finally, Dan, it's the side of America. Wait until we get to the reflection pool.

We'll get to your reflection pool. Let's go to Facebook. Ruth Benefits. Ruth Bennett Sullivan. Thank you, Kelsey Grammer, for supporting our country's history. God bless America. Linda. That gave me the giggles.

Lynn, first name, da, last name. My first thought, huh, Asian. My second thought was, oh, they're having fun with Linda. Worth watching. Always good to revisit America's founding story. Susan Z. Jones, thank you, Kelsey, for putting out this historic series. rich in history. I can't wait to watch the series. Thank you again, Kelsey. Donald Colgan says because they gave their lives for freedom. Over on YouTube, Gene Hendrick says America,

the greatest nation. Kelsey got fired up too, Dan, halfway through, halfway in there. Yeah. I love how passionate he is about America. Yeah, he's eloquent too with it. I mean, yes. I mean, you can tell. Do you guys have a favorite? Do you what? You have a favorite founding father? Ooh. Hmm. I mean, historically, it was... I'd say Adams because I watched the John Adams series, so it's pretty great. Yeah, you know, mine's always been Jefferson, even though he's a bit of a francophile.

It's kind of funny, that word, francophile. I wonder how many people listening go, he's a what? Epstein List, he's a Francophile. You can't say that, Will. too soon. The, who'd we have recently on that was just singing the praises of John Adams? It was Eric Metaxis. He was going on and on about John Adams.

It made me think about that and think about revisiting Adams. Because I do think that Adams, and it doesn't help that HBO used Paul Giamatti to literally play him. But he is literally in my mind like a Paul Giamati. He's like a sidekick, a little aggrieved. a little physically infirm, like, ugh, you know, like he's that character. Where Jefferson walks in all regal and statesmanlike and patrician and southern and intellectual. And then I have mixed feelings about Hamilton just because of, you know, a national bank and he was a federalist. You know, I'm a little more Jeffersonian in states and little labs of democracy and less centralization.

It's a totally different debate than the one we have today. Like, he's a big Hamilton guy. And he was like, you know, if you didn't have Hamilton and the central bank, we probably wouldn't have the country. Like, we were able to survive because of that. So it's like, it's hard because I see it. You're right, Patrick, because it's hard because I see it through the lens of modern politics. I see it through the lens of, no, I don't want more power in Washington. I like the Jeffersonian model of power in Virginia, in Texas, in Georgia.

you know, distributed like that. But it's a totally different world in 1776, 1789. You know, it's not the same now. It's literally where the federal government's so weak. It's hard to imagine. Like it's so, it's so small, so worthless, basically, that what Hamilton is advocating for is getting the federal government even into relevance. You know what I mean? To have the bank, to have a military, to have all that. Unfortunately, That became the vehicle through which it became the all-eating monster. It couldn't be stopped from that inception forward. And, yeah, if it had followed the Jeffersonian model of a true, you know, a true federal republic, you know, or true federalism in terms of power distributed states.

I don't know. What do we look like today? Who would we exist? Who was more for states' rights than states, you know, being the... That's Jefferson. That's Jefferson. That's Jefferson. I mean, I kind of grew more than that way.

Yeah, I mean, I like that a lot. Did you hear everything? Did you hear everything I just said, though? Yeah, yeah. You can't think of it through the lens of today. Right. It's just so different back then. You know, you could argue Hamilton, we wouldn't have a United States military throughout our history.

That's true. And then what would we do for defense? The Federal Reserve. You could argue we would have lost in 1812 when the British came back, you know? So, I don't know. We do have two great oceans that protect us more than, you know, but the British did come back. I'll have to look at the time of how much it's actually accomplished.

It's a big border. Japanese and the Germans, it didn't stop them. I mean, they were hanging out off their coasts. That's true. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Visit BetMDM Casino. and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick.

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Do you ever watch the man in the High Castle? did. It's great job. I think I quit on it. I wanted it to be so much more. It's a fascinating thought experiment. Do you remember when the man in the high castle came out and like I don't remember what year it was. There were articles

written about like it's a fascist reimagining, you know, like they went after it. Because there's another version. I know what it was. I know what it is. So if people don't remember this, The Man in the High Castle is a book. It was turned into a series. I believe the series was on

HBO may have been on Prime. And it imagines that we lost World War II. And basically, the eastern half of America is under Nazi control and the western half is under Japanese control. And there's a line down the middle, which basically follows the Rocky Mountains. There's the free states that they haven't been able to conquer. And then it's that, right, fascinating. Now put a show inside of that environment in that world. It's fascinating. What happened was in 2019 or 2020, there was another show they're working on that imagined the South won the Civil War. That's what it was. And it was canceled.

It was canceled amidst 2020. Like, how dare you do that type thing? Too soon. As though that's an endorsement of the South won in the Civil War. As though the man in the high castle is an endorsement of the Nazis winning World War II. It got a little too fantasy for me and I was just like, ah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, people are so stupid. Let me show you how stupid they are. Some of Dan's friends have been making their way to the National Mall. They're super into the reflecting pond. They do not want the reflecting pond to be a success. It wasn't a success. Check out some of Dan's friends.

Okay. All right. So this is some of Dan's friends down there in D.C. I can't believe I have to play this. Oh, she is doing good to take. Honey. How old you? Everybody's proud of you.

You are single-handedly doing more to fight fascism than any American facts. Yes. Let's go out. Yeah. I do not claim them. Just remember he's eating breakfast with these people, brunch on Sundays and Saturday. That's the brunch crew.

No, no. That's the brunch crew. I don't hang out with people with different colored hair like that. I do not. It's a misrepresentation of my friends. You're a big. towards people with different colored hair? I guess so. You're right. I shouldn't be.

That was a bunch of ladies in all of their rotundity and colored hair with a trans flag standing over the reflecting pond. Reflecting pool or reflecting pond? Reflecting pool.

Chearing on the algae and telling the algae that it's done more to fight fascism than any single person in America. I mean, they're not far off. No, okay. Oh, my God. I'm kidding. This is the number one story, right?

Is this the number one story on the left? The number one by long shot. It's nowhere and where else. Just the left. Is this why MS Now's ratings are up? Absolutely. Are you telling me that 200, they want to tune in for algae talk? Yeah.

I mean, forget the 14 million of taxpayer money that we wasted, but it's okay. All right, Patrick. Nobody cares about millions of dollars. worth of taxpayer money, any of this crap. The left never, like, they spend $100 billion on, you know, giving trans, illegal immigrants, voting rights. And then it's like, oh, we spent $14 million

on a reflecting pool. Who gives a crap? Like, nobody care. And it's the same thing with Republicans. Nobody cares about spending money in this country. Nobody cares. Well, they gave the job to a donor, so that's a little questionable, but, you know.

Get him Patrick about the saboteurs. They're ripping up the floor of the reflecting on. It was coming up already, and they're just showing how it was coming up. That's all. People are getting arrested for putting their hands in the pool. Like, come on. There's undercover agents surrounding this pool that, and people just put their hand in and are getting arrested. Why are they putting their hands in on this show?

That is complete. That is the kind of bullshit that should not even pass the most common sense. smell test. Do you believe that? I don't care if your friends believe that. Do you believe that people are getting arrested in America for putting their hand in a reflecting pool? Somewhere right now, there's someone facing a charge or sitting behind bars for putting their hand in a reflecting pool. That you believe? It's possible. There's also no proof that there's a 350-foot gash in the middle. You made an affirmative statement. We're not talking about what's possible. It's possible that comet hits earth. I'm talking about you made an affirmative

statement that that is happening. This is what's being espoused by the left. You believe that's happening. I don't know personally. That's what's being told by the left. That's what everyone is saying. That is such a nonsense because, dude, come on, you've got to be a more critical thinker in what you consume.

Like, that is like, you have a proven track record of somebody putting poison in your Doritos cool ranches, and you're like, I'm going to eat the cool ranch anyway. That's That is designed to make you believe, oh, my God, it's a fascist. He's arresting people of putting their hands in their pool. Now, you said a lot of true things to get to that really, really false thing.

Are there undercover agents around the reflecting pool? Yes. Are they arresting people? Yes. Is there a gash in the middle? For putting their hands in the water? For putting their hands in the water? That's why you think they're being arrested?

What is that criminal charge? What would that criminal charge be? tampering. I don't know. Putting your hand in a reflecting pool? Maybe they didn't get to pulling it up yet. I'm just saying what people, I'm not believing this myself. I'm just.

There's videos. I saw one this morning. The undercover agent walks up and then he starts asking her questions, what she's doing. You know, she's leaning over the water. No, they definitely pulling it up. Is she putting something in the water? That's a worthy thing to ask, right? That's like, are you putting things in there that make the algae grow?

Are you, you know, whatever. Is poison the right word? You're vandalizing the water. Or you're reaching in and pulling up the lining, which they're doing right now. Well, there's chunks in the water. That's what they're doing. There's chunks in the water that was literally just arrested. There was a chunk just like in the water and he just took it out.

And that's what he was arrested for, allegedly. I don't buy anything you just said. Okay. I don't buy it. Go ahead. Show me the video and give me the facts. That he simply removed debris from the water. He didn't pull it up.

He didn't contribute to the vandalization. Okay. But they're not pulled. It was already, it's already coming up the paint. And so they're pulling out chunks is what I'm seeing and what is being reported from certain outlets. And there's algae in it. But if that's the case, why are they doing that?

And where's the algae coming from? Yeah, I don't know that. Like, I'm very, like, it's literally a pool. Yeah. There's no water coming in or out. They put different chemicals and different water in it. Whoever did this, I think, just messed up the job a little bit. And so the algae is just from whatever they put in there after the paycheck.

You know, what about this? What about one of these vandals did it? Put something in there to make algae grow. Do you think the vandals did it? I think it's a real possibility. I think it's actually a probability. It makes sense to me. I mean, did you see the story last week?

Somebody poisoned the grass at the White House to make it say 8647 last week. Do you see that? So why would I not think they do this? You could think that. It's the number one story on MS now. Great ratings. It's just such a nonsense. thing. I mean, we have so much going on. I'm just kind of, you know, bringing it because it's kind of, it's

just a funny story. Here, you've got, you've got a video. Let's watch one of the video of one of the people being arrested. Hang on. On Will Kane country. Okay. So, yeah. Why do you do it? I was yelling at the Oklahoma State Troopers. Why? I was yelling at them. I know, but why were you yelling at them? Because they're here. But Oklahoma State Troopers. I know, but why would you be yelling at them? Like, just because they're here. I'm just trying to have a better understanding.

If you love the boo, if you love the boo, lick it. It's yelling. What is that? So he's arrested for what? Yelling at Oklahoma State Troopers? Mm-hmm. By his own testimony. I mean, that's what he's saying.

Sure. That's the equivalent of I didn't do nothing. They found... When people are getting arrested. Yeah. I did something, but not that. They found some dead dogs, which is sad, too. Dude, if they're finding dead ducks, is that not a clue?

Yeah. That's something that got screwed up. Oh, man, I can't imagine. I can't imagine the, you know, the people loosely defined who have attempted to assassinate the president twice, cheered on the murder of Charlie Kirk would somehow see it below themselves to algae up the reflecting pond. Pull up the lining of their funding. They wouldn't stoop that low. No, no way.

No way. No, I'm just. I'm just egging me on, but it's just a funny story. Don't say that now just because the comments are probably coming after you. They're not. They're all agree with me. Get in the comments section and roast in. Get in there.

We know one person is agreeing with me. First round, by, of course. These stories, is he? I'm sure. These stories, like your dedication to the belief of something that life has told you and evidence has told you is, not true, should not be trusted. I just need to constantly remember, like, it doesn't matter. The facts don't matter.

It's like the Carmelo Anthony thing. The facts don't matter. You're going to believe what you want to believe, and it does not matter what reality tells you, what objectivity tells you, what facts tell you. I had Austin Metcalf's father on the Will Kane show yesterday. It was an intense interview. I spoke to him before the interview as well here in the time. the studios. Here's a little bit of my conversation with Jeff Metcalf. You tell me you feel like you know the moment, the moment this became more than simply a horrible tragedy and a crime story

in North Texas, where it became this larger thing, and it was that press conference. Yes, sir. I do believe that was probably one of the turning points. I was there to show up to pray. I was hoping we could show the world this wasn't a racial divide thing, that we could kind of close the gap instead of widening it. But at that point, they'd obviously retain the services of Dominique Alexander, a unconvicted, baby-shaking felon advocate who decided to throw me out of the press conference,

had me removed by police, and then proceeded to gaslight me. I spoke to Jeff for a while in the studios before. I don't know if he watches our show, or, you know, he had this original thought on his own, or a lot of people are saying this. But he was like,

it was so absurd that this case, which is so clear became this, you know, what he called it George Floyd 2.0, that Ben Crump didn't show up, that Al Sharpton didn't show up. He made that same point. So all you're left with is this like, you know, de-list race hustler and Dominique Alexander. And he points to him. He points to him. And the family's embrace of him as the moment this became this huger racial thing.

And I said, what did you go to that press conference for? He said, I wanted to pray with them. And he didn't lie. He's like, I hoped they would show remorse that they would apologize. He goes, I'd like to think I would. He goes, I would stand by my son. If my son were Camelo Anthony, I would stand by my son, no matter what he did. But I would make him apologize.

I would make him own it. I would apologize about what's happening. And he said, I got none of that, none of that from the Anthony's. He also said something fascinating. And he said, after Carmelo Anthony received a guilty verdict, Dominic Alexander and the family left, and they did not come back. They did not come back for sentencing. They did not come back for victim impact statements. Carmelo Anthony was all alone.

And he said, he was first, split second. I felt bad for the kid. He was all by himself. And Medcalf, Jeff says, I mean, it's. His words, I think that's a reflection of their character. Go ahead, Dan. I think about you when you do these interviews that are tough. Like, how do you prepare yourself to do something?

Because it's kind of, you know, it's delicate to go into an interview like that and how to prepare and that kind of thing. That's something I've had to learn over time, to be honest, that I've learned in my time at Fox. Yeah. You know, where I've done, obviously, at ESPN, I didn't do a bunch of heavy emotional interviews, you know. And so you also, like I spoke to him ahead of time, I wanted to meet him. And I also kind of wanted to gauge his emotional temperament, you know, where he was. And he's impassioned, but he's ready to talk. You remember I interviewed Austin Macap's mom.

That was, and she just started crying. And so did the twin brother. And that was tough. That was real tough. We'll be right back on Will Kane, You know, the challenge for me in all of these things is this. My style on interviewing somebody is to listen. It's to be present. I like to think I'm a very active listener. And as a byproduct, I think it ends up being a very engaged conversation. But it doesn't

produce what is now the currency in media. Not. just cable news, but any form of media. The sound bite. The sound bite. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm going to give you an example. Producers will give you stuff, tools. And so here's a tool they gave me yesterday. They gave me a soundbite of Sonny Hosten on the View talking about Jeff Metcalf in this trial. And now I'm in this conversation with Jeff Metcalf, right? And I'm present, and he's present. And there's emotions involved in curiosity and follow-ups. And I have to ask myself, Are you going to stop this, this flow to play this soundbite for him to react to? And ultimately, I made a choice, no.

I'm not going to do that because it doesn't feel right to me. And I don't have any other way to explain it than it didn't feel right. Now, if I had, would that have produced a social media clip that goes super viral? Yeah. And I did tell him about it. I did say, you know, because it flowed the conversation. He said something about the way people in the media have treated his case. And I said, yeah, you know, there's the people on the view like Sonny Hosten.

And then he responded. And so that kind of Patrick today, that clip's kind of out there and going around, you know. Correct. But I didn't produce it and conduct it to produce that particular element. And that's, I mean, so I don't know if I'm doing it right or if I'm doing it wrong, but I do feel like a lot of media is engineered now not to produce. produce a eight-minute conversation, but rather a 30-second clip. Do you see what I'm saying?

People are going into things hoping to come out with that. And so they conduct an interview like that. And you're just less present and it's less engaged when you do that. That's my biggest challenge. And you're actively listening to maybe change the plan that you did because of that. Because if you don't want to do that or don't want to push it in a direction, you think it shouldn't go. So you're constantly just thinking while you're doing the interview? Well, I'm going to be honest. I don't have a huge plan. I have a little bit of a plan in my head.

I have basically, let me look at yesterday's notes. Let me see if I have anything written down. No, I don't have anything written down for that interview. Could be a better way to do that. Just let it go. Now in my head, I had these are the three areas I'm going to go, right? I would never. I've never right out a question, like word for word. Never done that. It's bullets. Like, I want to cover this topic, this topic, this topic.

If I even do it. I didn't do it with him. Those are in my head. But those are loose guidelines to go. Then I'm in it and listening and following up and going other ways. But you've been prepping for a year, roughly. So you already kind of, this is the one you really had to prep hard for. Yeah.

Like Jensen Wong a week ago, I had to prep more for. Right. And I had areas. Like, if I go back on that. And there are people who are like, bang, we got it. That's Jensen Wong. Yeah. That's Jensen Wong, right?

That's a page of bullet points, three categories. The future predictions, China versus the U.S., and under each is a few bullet points. But that was a 20-minute, 25-minute interview. And by the way, I never look at it once in the interview. Can't. I think I need readers maybe now. Can't even see it down there in my lap.

I don't want to pick it up while he, that's another thing. You don't want to, I don't think I need glasses. No, he's better than one eye. So you just, you do this, right? You just got to do that. If I wanted to look at, I'd have to pull it up here and Jensen Huang would be talking and I'd look like this. Yeah.

Don't do that. Don't do that. Plus, I don't like doing that. I don't like looking at notes while somebody's talking. I want to. Right. The only time I look down is on this show when you guys text me. during an interview. Can we talk about that?

Like Dan got in my ear. Dan got in my ear during Kelsey Grammer at the end and said, five minute warning, he's got to go. And I couldn't hear you because I was listening to Kelsey Grammar. And I looked down to text, the group, what did you say? So it like completely negated what I was trying to do.

You just had to do it anyway. But people always ask, they're like, why is Will on his phone? It's because we communicate that way. So for everyone out there who's whatever, we communicate that way. We send him things during the show. Do people ask why I'm on my phone? Yeah.

The other thing is my phone. They're like, don't look at your phone, Will. Well, the other thing you have to understand is my phone is my tool. So watch this. When your comments, I bring your comments in. Yep. I did that off my phone. It's on my phone right here.

So Terry Howe says on YouTube, Kelsey was such a wonderful career. Thanks for being on the right side. So, you know, Dan sends that to me, and I'm doing that here off my phone. So that's why I just rolled that. Everyone, everyone calm down. That's what I do. Yeah. Jefferson polished up Adams' work on the declaration.

It says big, big yep, okay, C. Is that true? I don't know. I believe so. All right. See, I'm going to look. I'm going to look at my phone, everybody, okay? I'll put that away.

Because before we go, I want to make, go ahead, Pat. Go ahead, Patrick. So somebody in the chat is asking your take on the big NBA trade last night. Yonis? Yeah. Boy, the NBA draft snuck up on me. Don't get me wrong. I've been doing my draft simulations, you know.

When I have a little time. Nerd, dude. I've been doing who the MAVs are going to pick at 9, working through all the simulations and all that. But it's tonight, NBA draft. In the last 15 years, my favorite player in the NBA, obviously, has been Luca Donchich. My second favorite player in the NBA has been Janice. I love Janice. I love his personality.

I love how he plays. I love his press conferences. So Janice traded from the Milwaukee Bucks to the Miami Heat. pretty big hall, obviously a much bigger hall than the Maverick Scott for Luca Donchich. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the heat, you know, now be an absolute contender in the East. I think Yonis still has years of being one of the best players in NBA. And I think it's good. It's good for the heat.

I don't know what it says for the bucks. And, you know, they got like three first round picks, a swap, a second round pick, Tyler Hero, a few other guys. I don't know what it means. Bill Simmons said it best. You never trade a dollar for four quarters in the NBA. Never trade a dollar for four quarters. That's smart. Yeah.

And I think that's true in the NBA. Not so much in other sports, but in the NBA, I think that's 100% true. I think it worked in hockey too because Brady Kachuk just went to South Florida as well for three first and a second. And no, I'm saying,

it's the same deal. It's like a, you know, what is a draft pick in hockey? It's a crap shoot, just like basketball. Unless you know you're going to get one of the top guys, you might as well just not even do it. Right. Don't we, Patrick, don't we have one more sports thing before I move on?

Oh, yeah, yeah. So I thought this was fascinating. Dan, if you can put the image up. Really interesting. So in Dallas Stadium or AT&T field, boy. Now, Lionel Messi has more wins in pulling. playoff or tournament play. He just tied

Dak Prescott with one. Yeah, it looks like that. Your own graphic undercuts. And fewer and fewer losses. So. So what's your point? Fascinating. I'm just saying, I mean,

Messies dominates just more than Dak Prescott does in his own stadium. He dominates. I think it's just fact. Yeah. At this point. Well, I mean, one in three is Dak's playoff career record,

Not great. But next year, but messy is the greatest of all time. What do you want me say? Messy is the greatest of all time. So much so that you even care, Patrick. So much so that you even care about Lionel Messi. I have a picture with a messy cutout from like Lowe's or something.

Yeah, I love messy. Odd pairing. I'm not even a soccer team. Hey, I did this on the show on the TV show one time. Or no, maybe we did it here. and you guys put it on social media. I can't remember which it is, but it was like, the question was who are the most famous athletes in the world?

And it's just, it's not even, it's not a subjective thing, right? It's an objectively measurable thing. And it's not close. It's not close. The difference between number one, two, and then whoever number three is, the drop from number two to number three is massive. It's gigantic. It may be LeBron.

LeBron be number three. But Christiana Ronaldo and Lionel Messi are so far in a way the most famous athletes on the planet that it's a joke. It's a joke. And how many people commented, like, they said I was out of touch that I don't know, you know, the audience. Because they were like, I don't know who this messy guy is. And the last name's kind of funny, so they're like messy. Like, I've never heard of this messy guy, but I do know who Tom Brady is or something like that. That's awesome that that's where you live.

That's awesome that that's how you think. But that's not the reality. It's not the world. And you are living in the time of the greatest soccer player of all time, doing the greatest things of all time. At an older age. He's just become 38 years old. He just became the all-time leader in World Cup gold scored. there's been two games, and he scored five goals in those two games.

Insane, dude. Which, by the way, if you guys want to find a way to get into the World Cup, the goal race is pretty fascinating because three of the world's best players right now are in a race. And you could add, we'll just see what happens today. We can make it four. Rinaldos got to come back. Lionel Messi has five. Killing Mbapapé has four.

Erling Holland has four right there. And they're both just, every time you watch them play, they're both just dominating. It's incredible. And then we'll see what happens with Harry Kane. I wasn't talking about Ronaldo because Ronaldo has zero. But I mean, he's got to catch up big. Can I just say, though, people are forgetting that they play for their country,

and they don't always have the best players around them. So, like, everyone's like, Ronaldo's not scoring, but he's not scoring because he doesn't have as good players from his country that are around him. I know he's... Incorrect. Really? Incorrect.

Portugal's great. Portugal's the top five team in the world. Top six, seven. He's not playing well. I mean, there was videos on how bad he played in that first game. It's crazy, though. Him individually. Now, we'll see.

Maybe he'll turn it around today. He plays today. Maybe he'll turn around. But Portugal's legit. Very legit. All over the field. I just couldn't think that. Every position.

As the best player, you kind of take over, like the Harry Cain's, the Messies. You just take over. That's who you are. You're the superstar. You know, you have your guys who are around you, and he's just not doing it. So I just assumed it would be the guys around propping them up. Messi and Ronaldo are older than all these guys, you know? Holland is in his 20s.

Kane is in his lower 30s. So that's the point. Like maybe Ronaldo's finally turned the corner, and Messi hasn't, you know, at 38 years old. Most of the world's great soccer players are done. by about 34 years old. And also, and also, Messi, people ask why Messi went to the MLS, and it's for this exact reason, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so he can play kind of, you know, more casually and still prepare for the World Cup, but not have to, you know, kind of himself in the, in other leagues. I don't know if that's why. I think it could have been $140 million a year. Also that.

And stay in the Pups up team, but, yeah. But I mean, just look at that. He's also in South Florida. Because he's accomplished so much that he doesn't need to do more except the World Cup. Messi is the second highest compensated athlete in the world at 100. I think he's at 140. You can look this up a year. That's salary and endorsements.

You know what Ronaldo is? 200. Number one. Yeah, 280 million dollars a year. Messi is 140. 280. He's in Saudi Arabia, though. they are money with them to come over there.

Yeah. Maybe he's a little change of scenery. And by the way, what's the tax rate in Saudi Arabia? Zero. I think it literally is zero, right? Pretty hard to turn that down. Pretty hard to turn that down. All right.

I just, I just can't go over the fact that I'm older than messy now. I remember playing sports video games. and like, you know, having to go, oh, I'll say I'm 18, even though I'm 15, you know, because I'm not old enough. And now it's like, oh, no, I'm older than all the players. Did that, was that ever something that you struggled with? Not, not right, yeah, but not right away. I think you've got another couple years of, like, not having it. Once you're my age and they're closer to your kid's age, that's when it becomes, like, the kids, the dudes that are going, Cooper Flagg is one year older than my son.

You know, it's insane. One year older than my son. The kids that are getting drafted tonight in the NBA are 18, 19 years old. It's insane. Insane. That's crazy. All right, that's going to do it for us today here on Will King Country. Thanks for hanging out.

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