Will Cain Country - Kevin Sorbo Rips Hollywood for Turning Killers Into Heroes (ft. Vince August)

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

The View co-host, Sonny Hostin’s new claim to fame is being the holdout juror who helped bring a not guilty verdict for the butcher. But dubious ethics aside, is she even telling the truth? Comedian and Former Judge Vince August joins the show to re-examine the history of the case, and break down a bizarre story out of Stanford, where the PR team thought it apt to use AI tools to race and gender swap a Hispanic student in a promotional image. Plus, Legendary Actor Kevin Sorbo joins the program to explain why Hollywood is so obsessed with glorifying serial killers, and why a growing cohort of young adults are refusing to let go of their childhood.   Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Toys R Us banking on adults. People like Tim Young and Vince August, perusing the toy aisle. Don't call the FBI. Call private equity. This is the banking of the future for toys, childless adults. Netflix, meanwhile, is absolutely glorifying serial killers. Let's talk about that with Vince August. and actor Kevin Sorbo today on Will Cain Country.

The biggest story that was out there that your fans want to know the answers to the Canaanites are waiting. So President Trump announces he's going to Tennessee, Texas, and you're not going to answer the question whether you are in his booth or the adjacent booth at the game this weekend. You're not going to let your fans know where you're going to be. what would be happening in the adjacent booth to President Trump? Your party. Yeah, just have your own. Exactly.

Because, because, listen, Trump, we know, doesn't drink. You mean to tell me you're not going to knock on the door and be like, yo, Pete, Mark, come next door. What are you going to do here? Hang out with frigging Lutnik and Bergam. Come next door, dude. Come next door. We're going to have so much more fun here.

No cameras. Bring Cash Patel. Bring everybody next door that wants to go. wild. So which one is your booth and which one is? Or do you just go in there and hang out with the president and do your normal name dropping then on Monday? Sadly, Vince August, I declined an invitation to Neelow Stadium. I declined an invitation to Knoxville to watch Tennessee versus Texas. You turned down the president? I still have to be apparent. You turned on the president of the United States? The president didn't invite me. The

invitation did not come from the president. It's, you still, you know, I want to. I texted my wife. So when you change, so when you change your mind and go. She didn't say no, for the record, because she listens. She said I could go. Absolutely. But I feel like

while I have one son who is a student at the University of Texas, I have another son still has a life in Dallas. And I need to be there. I need to be around. It's home. You know, the homecoming dance this Saturday. So I need to be a dad. What are you, a chaperone? What is chaperoning to dance?

Dude. So what, so when you change your mind, do you go there with a helicopter? Do you private jet? Like how, I want to know how Will Kane gets there. Air Force One. I'm not going. And if I would be flying coach American Airlines. Oh.

Does American go to Knoxville? I think it does. Listen to him trying to be one of us. Look at him. Look at him. Well, the president. wearing a burnt orange tie, a safety vest orange tie, or will he stick with red and be nonpartisan? He can't be partisan, right?

He can't, no. He's got to go down the middle. And Tennessee and Texas wear those same pumpkin spice latte kind of colors. So he can, either way, if he wears one of those ties, no one's going to know what the hell team he's supporting. This is the same awful uniform. No, you can tell the difference. Can you? Can you really?

Are you sure? Everybody can. Tennessee, Texas looks like it's burnt orange. It's orange that's been left out in the sun. It's some orangish-brownish combo. And it's the best uniform in college football. I mean, it's unique. It's not, you know, like, let's mix it up here.

Like, can we not all be the lions or the eagles and have our colors be some combination of blue and white, trim in red. Let's see. Can we see, Dan, can we get a side-by-side of this and see if there is a big difference? Tennessee looks like you're out hunting grouse in the smoky mountains, but you had to wear your safety vest, that color of orange, you know, or highway work crew orange. That's what Tennessee is. Which, by the way, I'm not taking shots at you, Tennessee. You know, I also appreciate that it's unique. You know, this is what all sports should be. Think about the mascots. Longhorns. Longhorns. volunteers, colors. It's great. This is back to my whole thing where everything's becoming the same, including sports teams.

Maybe you don't like the orange. That's fine. But it's when you see it, you think Tennessee. Look at that. Is that side by side of burnt orange in Tennessee vall orange? Look at that. Yeah, look at the difference. You can tell the difference.

It's a difference between the first week in September and second week in September when it leaves turn colors. That's the difference. It's like a darker leaf and a later leaf. Yeah. It's one week difference. Dan, it's crazy the crossover in these two programs. Like pull up UT logo. Or do you see that T for Tennessee?

Or just the T. And the horns. Yeah. Oh, completely different. Yeah. Yeah. Same school. No, no, no.

Because Texas has a T logo as well. And then these two programs, look at that. Look at the two. You see that one image? You see the two T's and the two U2. There it is. Look at that one image, Dan. You just click on.

There's one up and down. They are virtually identical. And then look at the one over there in the top left. Go to the top left. There you go. Pull that one up. Look at the UT, UT. I mean.

Same's cool. And they both go by UT. This is like the battle for orange, battle for the right font on the T and battle for who is the real UT. Both rank teams. What graphic design team is this? Exactly. you're telling me you're staying home for this because your kids go into the prom. I know.

Yeah. All right. Yeah. I know. Good fan. I know. There are rumors that President Trump will, I don't know if this has been confirmed. I saw us last night and when you see things, you know, you're really batten 70% false on things that you see at this point.

That President Trump may be, is this true, Dan? Look this up. He may be the celebrity picker on game day. and if he is that, let's just for a minute indulge that possibility. He can't stay neutral. He'll have to pick multiple games, and he will obviously have to pick Tennessee versus Texas. But he'll do that thing that he does. Both of them are really good programs, really good programs.

Love both teams. Love both teams. ESPN isn't letting its plan leak, though. ESPN declined to comment to CBS Sports over whether Trump would appear to Saturday morning's game day, which will broadcast from Tennessee. He reported, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, they're being cagey about it. So I think it might be happening.

That sounds like a yes. Well, could they secure that? Think about that secret service. Okay, I forgot. The final hour of game day, I read this this week, will be inside the stadium. So they won't be there

with that gigantic crowd outdoors, which, by the way, you cannot secure that. I've been to Game Day. There's no way, man, that they would have let President Trump walk into that environment. But maybe if it's inside the stadium, the crowd is gone. They can lock down the entire stadium during. That's in the final.

No, they can't. They do that. Game Day goes right up until 12. It's a 12 o'clock kickoff. So the stadium, people are already coming into the stadium. Be fun to watch. Now, there's security to get into the stadium, so maybe that could be. Yeah.

service just like oh yeah come on man so now will you be there picking the game with him or again yeah that's what he is that's what he is fans holding tight yeah yeah the celebrity picker yeah i i didn't want to the prodigal son returns oh come on this is a perfect story look everybody max kellerman is back yeah to make the pick stephen a pops out for the stage Well, if they don't use me in Austin two weeks ago, they're not going to use me in Knoxville. They'll never use me. But Glenn Powell and Matthew McConaughey already got used up in Austin. This will have to be a volunteer celebrity picker, if not President Trump.

So what? Peyton Manning, probably. Peyton Manning. You're getting up there on that level, though, UT Celebrity. Got a lot of status. A lot of status. Big time guy. All right.

I want to restart here. I love this story. Okay, Vince, you weren't here yesterday. So we played the sound. The Views Sunny Houston yesterday bragged. Make no mistake. She bragged that she was the lone holdout juror in a 1991 murder trial. Daniel Rackowitz, he murdered a lady.

He chopped her up. We can play a little bit if you were. Yeah, brutal. Yeah. He boiled her. her and then he fed her to the homeless. And the question, like in the Lindsay Clancy case, was was he criminally responsible or not guilty by reason of insanity? As you hear here, Sonny Hosten is going to make the argument that she was the lone holdout juror.

But not this time in different than the Lindsay Clancy trial, not the one saying guilty, but the one saying not guilty by reason. of insanity, right? So really what you're watching here is her bragging, this is my interpretation, I think I'm right, her bragging about being into mental health and declining criminal responsibility and embracing the insanity defense before the insanity defense was cool. That's what she's doing and she's saying she 12 angry men, 11 others, into agreeing with her and getting this guy off. Watch. The insanity defense has been around. in Massachusetts for 182 years. So I think it's well established.

And I thought absolutely that she was not criminally responsible by reason of insanity. And the reason I felt that I feel so strongly about this holdout jurors, because I was a holdout juror in a case. In the Daniel Racken's case, I don't know if people remember the butcher of Tompkins Square Park. It was in 19.

The guy who ate the victims? Yes. He was on that jury? You're going to need to explain more. Yes, I was. And when I was already. It was before I went to law school. Oh, because I would have never put you on this.

And when I brought it up at the Hot Topics Media, I don't think everyone believed me. And then my producer looked it up, and I'm in the New York Times. And apparently, several jurors questioned afterwards, said one holdout juror was principally responsible from preventing them from returning a guilty verdict. That was me. And it was because I saw clearly that he was psychotic.

Of course. He was in a psychosis. He did not mean to kill her. And once he killed her, he panicked. He chopped up her body parts. Yes, boiled her body parts. Tried to commit the perfect crime. And then fed her.

And you got this guy off? No, no. All right. So the, okay. Yeah. So hold on. She puts up a news article. And that news article says one holdout juror.

That's one paragraph. And then the next paragraph is a quote by her saying, I don't think he is knew what he was doing or whatever. He's criminal responsible. And it does have her name, her maid name, Assuncione, whatever it was. And, but it doesn't say that Assumcione whatever, which is Sonny Hauston, was the holdout juror. She could have been one of the 11 that the holdout juror convinced. Okay, so that's where we are.

Go ahead, Vince, because that's where we are until I share with you the latest update. All right, so here's the first thing I hate about this, and I'm going to break down the wall of television, is the fake contrived. Nobody saw this coming. We're talking about it now at the table thing, because when there's a hot topics discussion, they all know they're going to discuss this.

They've all had a chance to look at the article. So this immediate fake contraband. Oh, my, that was you? You were the person? You have an article? Get out of it. Yeah, the producer. Just made this between me and a...

So first of all, that phoniness that this show conveys. I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that. I really don't. It's fake. Dude, it's theatrics for the purpose of the TV. I'll tell you this. That's theatrics, dude.

The setup of the premise is so contrived. So I've literally done the view, I think, four times. I've been in that hot topic meeting that they're talking about. I told a story yesterday about their hot topic meeting. I'll say exactly where it is. It's in the makeup room. They all sit in the makeup chair. Some of them are getting makeup, some of them are not.

And a producer comes in. and they start just going over stuff. Right. So it's pretty informal, okay? It's pretty like, should we talk about this? Should we talk about that? First take. People always think first take is contrived.

It absolutely is not. Now that show, I've done a ton. The pre-show meeting on first take is similar, where you briefly discuss topics. But the minute that you figure out, you have disagreement, and sometimes it can be just one dude going, whoa, I totally disagree with what you just said.

It's over. It's like stop talking about it. Then we put it on the board and we let it happen naturally on television. I swear that happens. And so I'm not going to call total theatrics on her. She could have brought it up in the meeting and they weren't paying attention or they didn't, like she said, they didn't totally believe her. So I'm not sure that was all theatrics that you just saw on TV. We'll disagree. But anyway, go ahead.

Let's get to the meat of the story, which is. her being a hero in this scenario and bragging about something that this is not the thing you brag about because it's the outcome and the victim again that gets put aside the fact that somebody was brutally murdered is now a footnote on what becomes a story of an unbelievable horrific crime and now you put yourself at the forefront of it by saying look what I did in the interest of justice. So now it's sunny, the murder, and then the dead person. Go ahead.

So that's the meat of it. You're exactly right. And that's where we were yesterday. But this is what's fascinating. This changes the story. But it probably doesn't change the conclusion. So people on X are now looking up articles about the Daniel Raskowitz

story. This is just somebody on X. So I'm going to read you that. You can take it for what it's worth. Jason Stormchaser Nelson. Why is Sunny Hosten lying about being the holdout juror? According to this article, Assuncione Sonny Cummings, Hosten, is actually upset with the holdout juror saying she believed the cannibal defendant was aware of his actions. She was upset with the juror for pushing a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict.

So, Dan, can you pull that news article up to the parts that are highlighted where you can see it a little more clearly? I'm going to zoom in mind and see if I can share this with the audience. it's entirely too hard to read. But in this article, it suggests that the lone holdout juror was an unemployed man. It wasn't a woman. They don't necessarily give his name, but they say that the rest of the jury was super mad at him and charged that he was just there to pick up his jury check, and he is described as an unemployed man. The point being, if this is right, and this is an article they're using from,

the Daily News. Sonny Hosten wasn't the holdout juror. So she's bragging about being something potentially here that she, which we agree is a gross thing to brag about but lying that she

was actually that person. Right. So this way she can relate to the modern story and be the hero somehow in like a weird way of this tying this clancy thing together. and making it, as I say, over and over again, Will, about themselves.

Everything's got to be about me. Forget about the kids that died. They're a footnote to the story. How do I make this about me? This is the society that we live in, this Instagram, X, TikTok, YouTube, me, me, me, society. And you're a role player in my sitcom, in my, whatever your story is. and this is the sickness that these people have. I mean, she's a caricature of herself at this point.

This is what happens. These people become caricatures of themselves. And again, but that's a story, Will, when something like that happens, I don't care which side of the jury pool you're on, okay? That's something that should torment you and torture you and not be something that you want to talk about at a party. Either way, because of the outcome of, of the story, because of what happens to the victim of the story, much like this Clancy case

where these jurors are going out, bragging about things like, I wanted to make a change in society. This was my opportunity to do something beyond just hear facts and evidence and come to a conclusion. And again, it becomes about them. And everyone forgets about the victims in the case. Even the 60 Minutes piece, everything is about the husband, the new relationship. and it's like, you know, the kids become this foot. That's the sickness here. At least that's where I'm coming from on this. Yeah.

Yeah. Have you seen what Stanford has done? Stanford admits breaking its own policy after race, gender swapped student photo emerges. So Stanford put out a photo of seemingly three students. An Asian, female, a white dude, and a black. female. But

people have pulled up the original photo. It's the exact same location and you can see what Stanford did. They admit to it now. They replaced yes.

So it originally was is that two white dudes and an Asian female? And they replaced one of the white dudes with a black female they gave the white dude a new haircut it looks like right shorter haircut

and they slim down the Asian girl her face they took the weight out of her face and made her more more attractive I'd be so upset if I was that girl they had to fix me in post right but that dude is saying he feels like you're not good enough as your son The dude, the guy replaced by the black girl, but you're right, the person who really should be pissed.

Here's the Asian girl. What are you saying about my face? Yeah, dude. Coming up on Will Kane Country actor in the newly released director's cut of Reagan, Kevin Sorboe. Joins us. Where some see heroes and others see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes. while others follow the noise

we follow the money learn more at bloomberg.com I mean did they say why you know why no but did they say why it wasn't a white dude it's a Hispanic dude

yeah Billy Ramirez he got erased for the black girl what's wrong with Hispanic and replaced you know not good enough not good enough Do you think they were in a meeting?

Do you think there was like a sit down? They're like, all right, we need a certain diversity group. This, this, and this. Yes. It's like a specific conversation. This is why I say, I don't care about the apology. I want to know the why. Don't tell me, I'm sorry.

Say, look, here's what we were thinking and why we did it. Forget about the, I'm sorry means nothing. Until you tell me this is what went through that person's head when they did that. The apology is useless. So what's the apology for? What do you apologize? How do you think that conversation would go? Okay, this should be fun.

Why did you replace the Hispanic guy with the black girl? Well, we want to appear even more obviously diverse. It wasn't obvious that he was Hispanic. We wanted to show like a Benetton. You guys remember Benetton? Benetton's thing like when I was a kid. It was like the first like company. It's like, yeah.

Yeah, it looks like the United Nations of advertising. They would have one of everybody in their ads. Right. So we wanted something like that. Right, because you had two choices here. Make the Spanish guy look more Spanish, which would have been racist, or just replace them with someone that's clearly fits this category. Right.

But that's not the most fun. Why? So like, picture the lawyer deposition, right? So they're giving you a fairly safe answer. Because honestly, they're not going to get in trouble for leaning into diversity, equity, and inclusion. And they're going to say, look, we really wanted to make it obvious that we were an inclusive environment. We didn't feel like it was obvious from the original picture. But the follow-up question is great.

Why did you slim the Asian girl's face? Right. And then have her standing there? Like bring her. What's wrong? Well, the ad is sponsored by Ozzy. Zempe. So, yeah, that's what we wanted to be inclusive to them. They were, you know, they were looking at the Spanish kid and thinking, how do we make

it clear that this dude is Spanish or do we even take a chance? Because, you know, all of the imagery at that point has got to be. Well, here's a question. We got to make, what do you do? That's racist that makes this person. Why do you keep calling him Spanish? He's not from Spain. Yeah.

We don't know that he's from Spain. Hispanic. Okay. Thank you. All right. How do we make this South American dude look more? from Asia. Would you call her Oriental? I'd such an old man. I'd call her Asian.

Orientals to furniture. Spain. Yeah. Like Spanish is from Spain. It's not everybody who's Latino. Oh, dude, really? The guy who called me Guinea is really going to bring this up again. Oh, boy. Dude, see what happened to your wet little podcast yesterday? Go ahead. Call me Guinea again and see if we don't do that again. Anyway. So. Did you cut the cord? Is that what happened yesterday?

Listen, I was. I saw him figure out what happened. I was at a baptism with Ocho. So I don't know what you're talking about. I was Godfather to the baby. But again, I want to hear the whys. Why did you make her thinner? Well, why? I want to know this why.

Why didn't you just have those people of those ethnicities in the original picture in the first place? Again, why? Yeah. Don't give me an apology. Why? Because it looks like it was a natural photo, Dan. I don't think it was an actual photo shoot. That would make it even worse.

If it was a photo shoot, And the photographer brought it back, and they're like, why did you choose these models? I don't know. I was part of one of those in my college, and they've set it up to make it look like it was just a candid photo. So who knows? Yeah, poor casting. Wow. Speaking of young people and college kids, I'm in on this.

So some TikToker has said, and he's, I think he's a workforce recruiter. And he put out a video talking to Gen Z trying to get into the job market. and he said, he went on a rant. It says, bringing this popular drink to a job interview could hurt your chance this expert's warns. There's a viral debate brewing over whether bringing a beverage into a job interview sends the wrong message. The beverage, they're not talking about bringing a cocktail. They're talking about everybody everywhere is carrying around a coffee cup everywhere, every photo, every social interaction. One hand is occupied.

I guess you could put a small secondary category. of people carrying around like their Stanley water cups, too. Yeah. But it's become the binky of a generation. It's like you can't go anywhere without your iced latte. Everywhere you've got to have this thing that you can hydrate with really quickly. It's so true. And I think it's absurd.

It's a, it's a soothing mechanism. Why don't you just bring a sandwich, plop that open on the guy's desk or a woman's desk? I'm like, hey, let's do this over lunch. Sorry, this was my lunchtime anyways. Yeah, you want some pizza. I got an extra pickle for it. I don't mind the coffee, though, if you bring it to and then leave it in the waiting room. Don't bring it in the room.

What are you bringing the coffee for, period. I like the food thing, Vince. Yeah. You know, Vince, Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt in Ocean's 11. Has anybody ever noticed in Ocean's 11, he's eating in every scene. He does that in every movie. Every scene.

He's, he's always like just. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it's an interview. You're really. not going to make it through an interview without having a coffee. You walk in

there, be professional, get through your interview. What are you just going to start chewing gum, taking a... You know what? I got a beef jerky. Real quick, me and you. Not even a cigarette or vapor. Just do your interview. I mean, this kid walk around coffee and vapes.

In a way, I get it. Let's say, Dan, that you had a meeting on the 15th floor in a conference room. It's a meeting with six people, okay? Would you stop and get a coffee to take to that meeting before you went to that meeting? I have. Don't wait. Does he have the job already? Does he have the job already? Yeah, that's my job. Wait, wait, wait, Vince, don't jump ahead. Don't jump ahead. I actually have done that. So I have to. I have two. Now, why do you do that? Because in part, I think what you're

saying to yourself is, I'm going to have a little bit of enjoyment while I'm at this meeting. I'm going to take this coffee. I'm going to enjoy this during this meeting. Now, if that's what the kids are saying, I understand, but this takes you back to your point, Vince, the job interview isn't about your enjoyment, right? No, it's about getting the job. But I still think I'm on to something. Everybody's still carrying coffee around everywhere, every social interaction. And maybe I'm guilty of taking it into a meeting, too. Social interaction.

We all are. Social interaction, not a job interview. So when I'm on Zoom court, what do you think? I have a coffee next to me. And while the judge is talking, I'm just sitting there sipping away at my coffee. No, you have to, there's got to be a level of professional decorum at some point here, guys. We can't just decide, you know what? Yeah, do whatever you want.

Bring your coffee. Yeah, bring your Stanley. Yeah. Take out a muffin while you're at it. Screw it. You know, listen, it was a two-for-in. You get a coffee. It's one of those days.

You get a cronut, too. Why not? I feel like this is a, I feel like this is something that, I feel like this is a Hollywood thing, like this started, like I can picture this in entourage, you know, before everyone did it. It's a power move. Like Ari was doing it. Ari, Ari, yeah, it's a power move.

That's exactly, it's a status move. It elevates you for some reason. It's a curb your, it's a curb your enthusiasm. Larry David is insane move. That's where you would see something like this. Well, a curb, you'd spill it on himself. Yeah, this is Larry David going in to meet somebody. and just making himself comfortable on that person's desk.

That's what this is. I got the perfect person to ask about that. He is Kevin Sorbo. He's an actor and he's the co-star of Reagan, the movie and the Director's Cup, which is coming out in theaters nationwide on September 25th, which you can check out at Reagan. He plays Reverend Ben Cleaver,

and he's with us here now, Kevin Sorbo. What's up, Kevin? Good of here. I just got finished speaking. I'm at TPUSA's pastor events. So this is my lovely hotel room. This is the best background I can do. I apologize. Is that the curtains of your hotel room? It is. The rest of it's kind of messy. Kevin, while you were speaking, did you just break out a sushi tray and start eating during the middle of your speech? Just make yourself comfortable? No, I had a sip of my water. That's Hollywood, Kevin. Do you take coffee to meetings? Power move? Job interviews? I don't drink coffee, so I don't take anything in the meetings except myself. You've never, have you never drank coffee or did you give it up?

I took a sip of my dad's coffee and I was like 15 and said, you got to be kidding me. Just like that same year, I took a puff of a cigarette and cough in coffee for an hour, so I don't do either of those things. Wow. It sounds great, though. Coffee and a cigarette. That sounds like a nice little break in the day. Sounds like the 1980s. It's so wild that people just raw dog lies.

They just wake up and go. No coffee. Just freaking go. Raw dog in it. It's just funny to think of Kevin sitting across from his dad at 15 being offered coffee and a cigarette. No, the cigarette, no. My dad didn't smoke. It was a cigarette. My buddy stole from his dad. We tried it out behind the shed at one of our yards. And I said, okay, I'm not going to do this either. I'm just picturing you were your dad and your dad offering and be like, all right, suit yourself, kid.

Whatever, 15. Do you got to do? So, Kevin, one of the things I want to talk about, and I waited to talk about this with you here today, is I've seen this going around, and people are talking about these new series on Netflix. It's not a new series. They put out several different versions of it. It's called Monster. And I think the first one was about Jeffrey Dahmer. Ed Gein. And then, I think Jeffrey Dahmer was first, man.

And then Ed Gein, which I watched them both. And then they did their, what are the dude's names? The Menendez brothers in L.A. that killed their parent. And the latest one is Lizzie Borden. Lizzie Borden is the famous axe murderer from the 1890s. Killed her parents. And I watched it. I watched it.

And it is super weird. It is super weird. And they interweave into the story of Lizzie Borden. Two interesting things. One, they interweave the story of Eileen Wernos, who I didn't know who that was, and credit to the series because it made me go to the internet and start reading and learning. And I was fascinated. She was a serial killer. I believe Eileen Wernos was in the 90s.

I'm not sure. And female serial killer, which is super rare. And they create this fiction that she was fascinated with Lizzie Borden. They superimposed upon it a lesbian relationship for Lizzie Borden, no historical evidence of Lizzie Borden being a lesbian. and they wind it up in the end with Lizzie Borden turning into this huge women's suffrage hero champion. And it's really hard when you're watching not to come up with me. Man, they're glorifying Lizzie Borden. Like they really are.

Now, I want to say this before you respond. I got to be careful I don't live in a glass house because I am fascinated by serial killers. I told you I watched these things. And I've watched Mind Hunter, which they canceled inexplicably. and I've watched, you know, a lot of documentaries about serial killers. But I don't think in the pursuit of glorifying who they were. And Netflix has taken a weird turn here with this, and they're turning these serial killers into the hero arc of the story.

Hmm. You want me to respond to that? Your thoughts, Kevin. Yeah. Your thoughts, Kevin. Well, Hollywood, Hollywood glorifies murder. Let's face it. I mean, look how much they love and support Planned Parenthood.

It's one of their favorite things they do. So to me, it started really in the 60s. You want to go back to 1960s. There wasn't any really a rating system until the 60s happened. And that was a very crazy decade with the assassinations of the Kennedys, Martin Luther King, World War, the Vietnam War, and then movies started coming out having much more negative. They really started supporting the anti-hero.

They glorified. Ant here. Look, I love Butch casting and Sundance kid, but let's face it, butch and Sundance in real life weren't good looking like Paul Newman and Robert Redford and they killed a lot of people the same time. But they made these guys good looking dudes. They had funny little quips with each other and they were very, very entertaining and you like them and you're at the end of the movie, oh, they get killed, that's too bad. And Hollywood seems to really sort of embrace that for whatever their reasons are. I kind of been doing the opposite movies over the last

10 years. So, you know, it's interesting, but I don't think they're going to slow down doing that. And people are fascinated by it. You liked watching it. I haven't watched. I've heard of it. I haven't seen any of it yet. But to me, it's like, I hope they're not giving more people ideas because we live in a crazy society and we don't put people in jail that deserve to be in jail. And we keep releasing people that go out and murder people or rape people. And, you know, this country's in trouble. And people need to wake up, obviously. But it's taking a long time for people to wake up. It desensitizes too. Yeah, exactly. But isn't it

also the evolution of the horror genre? Like, it seemed like the 70s was more the satanic thing with possession, exorcist, omen. Then 80s became the serial killer, Michael Myers, Friday to 13th. And then, right, then you get into

the supernatural stuff with, like, the ring and all of the... And now it's like, well, we've used everything to scare people. Why don't we just use the real-life people? That's true. And make this so it's not abstract. And this is a thing that can really happen. But it doesn't do that.

It doesn't do that, though, Vince. I would not recommend this one, not even for any moral grounds. It's actually weird and not that entertaining and eight episodes and unnecessary to be. It humanizes them in a way that makes them, it's, it's, it's, Lizzie Borden becomes somebody that you almost

root for. The mom and dad are horrible people. You know, they pick on her a lot. They put her down. She becomes somebody that you root for in this thing. And it is a little bit like a horror movie, but you're not afraid of Jason in this. You know, you're rooting for Jason in this version of and the anti-hero thing is interesting. I hadn't thought about it going back that far with Butch and Sundance. Obviously, the Godfather, it's an anti-hero movie. I worked at ESPN and I used to do stuff for E60, which we would tell stories. And they said, you know, like, stories about Draymond Green do better than stories about

Steph Curry, because people are naturally attracted to villains. Darth Vader is the more memorable character than Luke Skywalker. And so stories of villains attract people. And when I thought of the anti-hero, I thought of Tony Suprano, maybe because that's television.

Like, that started the anti-hero arc. I feel like we're on right now. That went to Walter White, that went to Omar and the wire, you know, on and on and on. The anti-hero is the main character of almost every series we've been watching for the past two decades. Yeah, what's great? Well, look, you sit there and we have 11 jurors that said this woman who strangled her three children, strangled them, killed her own kids. Eleven said she was not guilty. So what we're saying people is murder is okay now, as long as you feel sad after you do it.

I mean, it's very strange what's going on out there. Maybe before. If you're sad before. Yeah. You're super, super sad. It's not like murders, murder or anything. Well, it's also this weird relatability thing that they're trying to create, it seems like, well, you can see yourself doing that too. So it almost becomes, can you relate to these murderers?

Can you relate to these people, whether it's in real life or in film and art, and make you believe, well, yeah, you know what? It's not as outrageous as it seems. Let's take a quick break. but we're right back with Vince August, an actor, the star of Reagan, Kevin Sorbo here on Will Kane Country. So there's another truism. Kevin, I want you to jump into this entire conversation as a storyteller. And that is, who is it that said this? It could have been like the feminist writer Brune Brown.

People connect their vulnerabilities. They don't connect through essentially their heroic qualities. It's hard to see yourself in a heroic character. but that doesn't mean that a heroic character has to be the picture of perfection. I saw this other day like, you know, every one of the disciples of Jesus was basically a bad dude before. You know, they were adulterers, drunks, I think Paul had murdered. They had all done terrible things, and God found, God found in these flawed characters the ability to create heroes. And so it makes you wonder actually about the hero stories we choose to tell

and how we tell them. Because nobody's born Luke Skywalker, right, or whatever our version of a caricatured hero is. They're born something else and become that through circumstance. Well, not circumstance through a lot of reasons. Well, I think we're all flawed characters. I mean, it's a matter of people, we got all of evil thoughts in our mind, but not acting on it, comes from having a stronger moral foundation, have a more common sense sort of, look at life and what's important and what's not. Those people that don't care about life or care about themselves, I think there's a common denominator with people that are bad and evil.

I think that all of them don't like who they are. They look in the mirror and hate who they see and hate who they are. These are the haters on the Internet that want you dead because you don't think the way they do or something like that. These are these 35-year-olds still living in the garage up there or the basement of their mom that are living off your tax dollars. And all they have is hate and anger. They don't like who they are and they want to drag you and me

and everybody else down this dark black hole that they live in. So to me, it's like, you know, the majority of people, thank God, have a moral compass that is enough to make them stop doing something bad in that moment they feel like doing something bad. So hopefully, you know, that doesn't change, but I think there's a lot of crazy people out there, and we all know that to be a fact. I mentioned that Reagan, the director's cut, is coming back to theaters nationwide on September 25th. what is it that about him? What is it that made you, presumably, as a guy who wanted to be in this movie, what is it you saw in Reagan?

Well, it's an interesting character. I played Pastor Kleber. I'm the pastor to the younger Reagan that had a lot to do with the moral foundation that was in his life. And it's interesting, Mark Joseph, who produced it and put it all together, went to the Reagan. ranch, went to other Reagan locations where he found these files on him, and found all kinds of interesting things about what this pastor said as Ronald was growing up. And this pastor was vehemently against communism and talked about and preached against it on the altar. And you know that had something to do with the foundation that Reagan had during his years, because Reagan was the liberal,

he was a Democrat. And as John Voight said to me and Dennis Miller said to me, that the party left me. I didn't leave the party. And that's true. I mean, everything shifted more and more and more. You see even with Bill Maher, I mean, even him is starting to wake up a little bit. But I look at guys like that and call them JFK Democrats, right? I mean, I tell people and my liberal friends all the time, the ones that still want to talk to me, I tell them all the time. I go look at the 1960 inauguration speech of JFK and find one Democrat, heck, find even a Republican that talks that way today. JFK would be a conservative considered a conservative today.

No doubt about it. No doubt about it. I wonder what Reagan would be today. I mean, I know it's easy to say that Reagan to be a Republican, but at the same time, a lot of, you know, I'm giving a speech later today that I've been having to write for the last several days. And it's something I've been thinking a lot about and what happens to the Republican Party after Donald Trump in which directions that it goes. And, you know, which path populism takes us down? I think populism is a good thing, but it's a good thing like fire. It can warm you or it can burn the house down.

and I wonder how Reagan would fit into today's political environment. I don't know. I think he would still fit in there. I mean, when I left, I left LA 10 years, about nine years ago now. I live in the free state of Florida. I left the worst governor in the country, the best governor. But we lived only about six miles from the Reagan Library. And we homeschooled all three of our kids.

And every quarter, we would take them there because there would be a different exhibit that was going. And whether it was, you know, George Washington or whether it was, you know, know, the King Touched Tomb or whatever it might be. But that library, to this day, is always packed. He had a huge influence on people in a positive way. So was he perfect? No, none of us are perfect. But I found him to be fascinating.

He was the first president I voted for when I was old enough to vote in 1980. My parents were besides themselves because I grew up in Minnesota where they were Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale Democrats. And they said, I can't believe you to vote for Carter. and I said, well, I think he's the worst president of this country's ever had. And I was saying that as an 18-year-old kid. So to me, I think I was right until Obama and Biden came along. But anyway, I know my parents, as the years went by,

their Democrat roots were starting to change. They were a couple times they didn't vote because they said they didn't like the Democrat, but I can't vote for a Republican. So it was, but they were changing. They were changing at the very end. They came over to the dark side. But were they changing? Because I have this discussion with people, too, and I consider myself a JFK Democrat who's now somehow QAnon.

And it seems like they weren't changing. It's just the candidates changed. Yes. And right. So they did it. And it's like everyone says with Marr and all these other people. They didn't move. The candidates moved.

And it left them no choice. Well, it's interesting. They got these people, they're running for office all around the country that call themselves socialist Democrats. That's just a, that's just a, that's, they're hiding behind what they truly are. They are truly communist. And the party, the Democrat Party has become a socialist party. And when you have, I don't know, I've seen a very high statistic of people under the age of 30 that believe socialism and communism is a good thing.

And I keep reminding people like that, nobody's taking boats from Key West to Cuba. There's a reason for that. They're still trying to come to America, aren't they? So there's nothing good about, I mean, they should, we should give these. people one-way tickets to live in North Korea. If that's the utopia they want to live in, then fine. Have that. My tax dollars can go for their one-way ticket to Korea, North Korea. The poll will really scare you is when you see that there are a lot of young, self-described conservatives who are willing to consider aspects of socialism,

taxing billionaires, state-run grocery stores, or even voting for a Democrat socialist. And that's where I think about Reagan. Like, I just think there's a huge growth of cynicism. They call it black-pilling, that everything's corrupt, everything's ruined. nothing can be saved. And the mourning in America Reagan optimism is something that I think we desperately need. I mean, you know, this, Vince, I was too, you know, we've talked about the affordability issue. And that's the one, by the way, pushing young people. That's the purported issue. The silly colonialism abolished the Senate. You know, America is the evil character in every world conflict and every chapter of history isn't what is persuasive to people. But what is persuasive is this line that we've heard uttered, and we've heard it uttered by our friend Patrick here on the show that I did what I was supposed to do. I got the college degree. I got the job. I got the good grades.

I did all that. Where's my middle class life? Right? And they're baked into that. And I'm not saying there's not problems with housing prices or health care, whatever may be. But baked into that is a sense of expectation or entitlement. And I don't think that was ever really part of the promise of America. Like, the line I want to use today is like, you know, my forefathers who came to Texas, it wasn't like, yeah, I'll drill in that hole for oil, but only if I can be guaranteed to have a 2% mortgage for 30 years on the back end.

I'm going to get called the old man on this, and I'm going to get drilled on the comments. But I think it's also the way we were brought up. And I think it's when you're brought up with a certain level of toughness, the road ahead doesn't look as daunting or you're willing to take on the challenges on the road ahead. whereas if you're brought up soft and the road ahead looks tough, it becomes, hey, this road ahead of me is too soft. You know what? You're going to have to do something to help me out if I'm going to go on this journey. So you know what?

Yeah, bring some of those people that are ahead of me in the race. Bring them back in the pack and help me catch up that way as opposed to me running harder. So I think a lot of it is the upbringing and the toughness, whether it's the mental toughness, whether it's just being prepared. And look, am I saying that college is. a bad, you know, a bag of goods that's being sold to people? No. It most definitely is in many ways. But again, it's, you know, when you don't have, we can't fail anybody. No child left behind. And all of these policies that are put into place that make it easier for you to go through.

The second it does get tough, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, this is real life now. No, it wasn't like this K through college and masters and everything. No question. I agree that. 100% and it comes from the parents. I'm the fourth of five kids. My parents both grew up poor on farms in Iowa, but my dad instilled hard work on all of us. He said, you get a job. I started a paper on those nine years old. Nine years old for seven years. I'm getting up at 4.30 in the morning, six days a week, delivering in Minnesota winters to 80 homes. But my dad taught hard work to all of us kids and all of us are completely five different fields of employment, but all worked our butts off to get to where we are. And that's because of parents. So I got to say the baby boomers, which is my generation, I think a lot of the success that they were able to generate because of the American dream and because they're working hard, I think a lot of those parents, especially in the later parts of the baby boomers,

made life a little bit easier for their kids. Like you said, have participation trophies. With my kids, we didn't have any of that. We didn't even go to public schools. We're homeschoolers. My wife's a homeschool advocate. I look at public schools and I look at universities right now are ridiculous. Because when I would do those schools, K through 12 in college,

I had a double business major in college, no teacher told me how to vote. No teacher told me to believe in God or not believe in God. They taught the subjects that I was paying them to teach. Were there some politics around? There was some politics around. But it wasn't anything like it is today. The brainwashing starts in kindergarten,

and it goes all the way through. And Hollywood puts that going forth as well with the movies that they do. I mean, every movie and every television show they do, if there's a conservative or there's a pastor, anybody, they're the evil ones, they're the idiots, they're the morons. And that's what they keep doing.

So the bubble between L.A. and the bubble between Washington, D.C., communicates with each other. All the rest of us are just a bunch of flyover states. And we're just basically the puppets for them to use and raise money on and live off of that. So this is the world we're at right now. And it's not just schools because parents perpetuated. Because I heard from a friend of mine who's a soccer coach that she's not allowed to cut kids from a team, from a high school team. I'm like, what do you mean you can't cut kids? She's like, no, everyone's got to make the team.

And then the parents email her about their kids' playing time, whereas that when I went to high school is unheard of. You had to make the team. And if you didn't make the team, the reaction wasn't, well, I'm going to go talk to the coach. The reaction was, well, try harder, practice, do what you got to do to make the team next year. And that became the motivation.

Yeah, when I was growing up, it was those athletes, like Pistol Pete Marevich was my app guy. There was a little kid growing up. I wanted to be like Pistol Pete. I want to shoot the three-porters. I mean, they motivate you. The Tiger Woods of the worlds have done. that for the golfers that are playing today. The Magic Johnsons, the Irving, you know, Larry Birds,

they're the ones who did all these things that made people want to get better. And all of a sudden, it's like, nah, I don't want to work that hard anymore. And they cry and want to piss and moan that they don't have their way. I'm going to give you guys the stories going to make you sound like even more like old men and make you worry more about the generation. Okay, so here's the headline. Toys R Us is opening 120 new stores as grown-up collectors fuel toy sales. As recently as 2017, Toys R Us was shuddering locations. It was doing terribly. Kids are moving away from toys. I saw that with my kids. Like at some point, they transitioned pretty early away from toys into, of course, what you know, video games. Apparently, Toys R Us has

had a resurgence then in the last half decade or so. Fifty-five percent of spending is on adult-only homes. Okay? Homes with children make up something. something like, you know, 40% teens factor in here, too. So now the primary toy buyer is grownups. Now, you can get into the Y, and I think the Ys are interesting. I think obviously there's the analog. I'll give you a couple. One, the analog movement.

David Marcus has talked about this. He thinks people are going back to smoking cigarettes because it's simply not something you plug in. So a movement to go back to something that is simply analog. people have pointed out adult toys are more expensive the thousand dollar Lego you're not buying that for your kid so you're going to have more sales going to adults collectors also something can drive it more but then the final one is where I think we all want to go it's the japanification of America perpetual adolescence perpetual childhood people just not giving up I'm going to disagree with all for not getting to adulthood I'm going to disagree with all for I'm going to say it's

nostalgia and it's a way to decouple from the current world we're in, which is doom scrolling, which is the constant combative get online and go to war with somebody and go back to a time where you were comfortable in life, where life was

simple, and if this is a way to retreat to that and disconnect from the world. But that goes with number four though is what Will saying, because you're regressing to that time. Yeah, but he made it sound in such a negative way that like you're becoming this Infantiled.

What do you have? You made it sound... What do you have? The X-wing fighter? Absolutely. What do you got? I'll go way back to G.I. Joe's. Dude, the original G.I.

Joe's when you were waiting and then the Kung Fu grip came out and the... Dude, that... Because you know what it was back then when you played with toys as opposed to a video game? You had to develop the scenario in your head as opposed to just turning on a game and a scenario played out. Right. So this takes you back to that. It's a way to disconnect.

I love it. I think it's great. because, you know what, better than doom scrolling. Really? I love this. Love it. He's got a Pokemon collection. Old school.

I think that's why the Toy Story franchise that Disney puts out has been so successful. I think there's more adults watching that than anybody else. And the new one that's coming out, or came out already, deals with kids not playing the toys anymore, that they're addicted to their, as Robin Williams call it, Kitty Cocaine toys. You know, they got their computers, they got their games, they got video. I mean, that's what they do right now. So I think Toy Story, I think two or three, was huge with adults because it dealt with that remembering when they were kids, you know, drinking water out of a hose in the front yard

and making up your game. We made up a game when I was a kid. I lived on a dead-in street. Now they call it a cul-de-sac. It's a dead-in. And we had seven homes and about 20 kids. We don't need the French. We would ride bikes.

We have people on one side of somebody's yard, somebody on the other road, and we would jam, frisbies at each other. If you get hit with the frisbee, you've got to get off the bike, and your reward for hitting the at the frisbee for you to get back on the bike, for your chance to get hit by the frisbee. I mean, they would never do that today. We played the game called Kill the Carrier.

You give them football and everyone tries to tackle. You know, they got rid of dodge ball. We love dodge ball. Yeah. We were making ramps out of whatever piece of wood we can find. Cinder blocks. Yeah. And we were like it.

What do you think? And they fell off 50% of the time. Yeah. They didn't end of the time. It fell off. And you go to mom. I'm injured. Oh, rub it.

There wasn't an engineer in our group. Trust me. One of my best friends at this house, one of my best friends had a ledge that you could walk on as for the steps going down in the basement. We would see how far we could walk on that ledge and jump to what lowest stair we could hit. I hit the lowest stair, but my right foot, my right toes caught the step just above and I broke three of my toes. And I remember coming up and they're going, but I go, but I did it, didn't I? But that was our child. Kevin, come on.

We're about 10 years apart, seven years apart. But every year we went to school, there was a kid would have cast on. Every year there was a kid would a cast on in our class. Not allergies to nuts. Yeah, no allergy. No, cast. Let's take a quick break. But we're right back with Vince August, an actor, the star of Reagan, Kevin Sorbo here on Will Kane Country.

No, Vince, I have the kids that age. The only reason they have it now is sports. you have yourself in sports. I broke my legs sledding down a hill. We used to have BB gun wars. That was my favorite. Those were my warmest memories. We would break up into two teams of six, go into the woods.

They were the Daisy Red Riders, so it was only one pump. But we would shoot the shit out of each other. It was full-on wars back in the woods. But I'm going to be the negative guy for a minute. Vince, I like what you said. I was a huge toy guy. Like, I did G.I. Joe's, but the small ones. For my generation, we didn't have the big ones.

We had the small ones and the Star Wars figures. And, dude, I would disappear into my room for hours, creating scenarios and scenes and little movies in my head. I would do that all the time, just using my imagination. And, yeah, I don't see that same thing in my kids today because the story they can get by plugging in is so easy. However, I'm not sure this is all nostalgia. I mean, I do think there is something to that phrase,

the Japanification of America. Japan is kind of stuck in perpetual adolescence. They don't get married. They don't have kids. They have high rates of depression. They're isolated. And I think, you know, this isn't to say video games aren't a big part of that as well. But this, like, refusal to become an adult, I think, is a huge warning sign for America.

I don't think it's a refusal to become an adult, though. I think in that scenario, it's a way to unwind from a long day. And if you ask a married couple, you ask any wives out there, here's your heart. Here's your choice. Your husband can go to his man cave. Dan, what is Vince doing? Is he coming home at the end of a long day? Is he playing with action figures?

Ask your wife. Will can go to the Texas Tennessee game, hang out with Pete and everybody and party. Or he can go to his man cave and take out his Star Wars toys. I guarantee he should put him upstairs. Put him upstairs where I know where he is. I mean, going to Disney as an adult without kids. No, she would not.

Put him upstairs. There's no way she'd choose that. I am your father. No, you're not. I'm just standing there with his two Luke Skywalker. You can you hear that stuff coming from upstairs? She's so attracted to that. How about read a book?

By the way, you brought Disney. I'm going to give you another data point. Disney World, catering to adults as well. Not to families with kids. It's adults going to Disney World. not taking their kids to Disney World. I think that's a data point for me. Yeah, it's expensive.

I know some of those couples. I don't think that you're nostalgia. 38 without kids? I mean, they're from back home. They go to Disney twice a year. Just the two of them. Our guest, Tim Young, is that guy. He goes to arcades and brings home the stuff he wins.

Skiball. You know, he's 40 years old. I run a marathon in Disney every year. I go down there to do the races. And then you go meet Mickey Mouse. whole new side of Vince that I never knew existed. This is going to be a whole new well for me to mind. Hit it hard.

Now that I've met Kevin, I'm dressing it for Halloween. I'm going as Hercules. He's convinced me just in this meeting. I'll take it. Kevin, peak condition is Hercules. What were you? I stayed pretty solid all seven years between 225 and 2.30. It really depended how hard the workouts were each week.

I was 12 to 14 hours a day on the set, I was an hour and a half working out every evening. So I had a great trainer down there. I was training my own. I didn't need help. But after a 12-hour day on the set, we're doing three fight scenes every episode, shooting 10 days per episode. I had a great guy down there in Auckland, an American guy married to New Zealander,

and he would keep me going through the steps. And I loved it, but I always worked out. I never put on extra weight when I got the series. I waited 225 on average for probably from the time I was 20 years old until I was 42, 23 years old. Oh, really? You didn't have to bulk for that. That was just, that was...

No, they didn't want that. When I first got the audition for it, I thought, I'm a good-shaped guy, but I told my manager and an age, and I said, I'm thinking I want another steroid dude, and they said, no, they want a guy that looks like an NFL quarterback-sized guy. That's what they wanted. So I'm 6-3, 225, and, you know, it's right up there probably the average of quarterbacks in NFL today, so pretty much what it was.

But, I mean, I kept in shape, but I ate well, you know, I only had carbs in the morning. then I would have four protein meals spread out during the day. You still doing that? Well, I still work. I can't. I'm in my 60s now. I can't lift like that anymore, but I still work out every day. I do about 40 minutes of cardio every day, and I still have weights, but I just mostly stay toned.

But it's addictive. I tell people once you start working out, your body kind of screams for it. Vince is a bodybuilder or was. Were you a Royd guy, Vince? Never. Never did a drug in my life. I was a power lifting out of body. builder. Yeah, never did a drug in my life refused to do it. But I competed at a lightweight.

I would cut down to 165 when I competed. Yeah. I think Will's trying to flex over there. Yeah, Will's puffing off. Do you see him puffing up his vis-as? You can put your arms down. You see him fold his arms up kind of build up his back. Well, how much did Zena warrior princess way? About 177? Because I think that's Will's ideal weight he has been telling us for the longest time. I called that our third-year lesbian spinoff show. Yeah, that's true. But a lot of people forget that we spun up Zina in season three, but Young Hercules in Season 5.

That show only lasted two seasons, and the actor playing me was very upset that the show got canceled. And I told him. I took him out to a little luncheon there in New Zealand and Auckland. I said, dude, you're a good actor. You can do really well. That actor's name was Ryan Gosling. Wow.

That's how we started. young Hercules? He was young Hercules. If you look up the photos of him as Hercules, young Hercules, you're going to see this skinny little kid. And I said to the agency, I said, look, he's a good actor. But even as a teenager, Hercules would have been pretty pumped up. But he wasn't pumped up.

He's in good shape now. But if you pull up a photo of him, Ryan Gosling was Young Hercules. But he gave me a little shout out. He won some Lifetime Achievement Award at the Santa Barbara Film Festival. And he got up there, somebody sent me a tape. And he said, who would ever thought that me trying to fill a leather pants of Kevin Sober and Hercules, I'd be standing up here today. So I thought that was kind of cool. But there he is.

Wow. That is cool. A young Ryan Goslin. What did he do? There he is, his young Hercules. Yeah, pretty thin. Wow. I know this sounds like super elementary, but you're surrounded by actors.

What stood out? Like, how did you know, like, oh, this guy's got it? or he's a good actor? What was the differentiating factor? I wish I could say what it was, because he came down to first a guest star on seasons, the beginning of season five on Hercules before they picked up him as a show.

And I remember going home to my wife, and I said, I just worked with his kid. He's like 20 years old. And I can't explain it, but acting with him, I thought that, wow, this kid, I didn't have that kind of confidence at 20. I had confidence, but it was whatever it is, I can't put a definition on it.

But I went home until my wife, this kid has it. And sure enough, they said they're going to book him as Young Hercules. My only complaint was I figured he'd be bigger, more beefy, but I said he's a good actor. And then, of course, he just took off. I think right away he got a small part on the Denzel Washington movie, the football movie. What was it called? Remember the Titans? Remember the Titans?

He played the quarterback. A small part on that. And then he kept graduating, it just boom, boom, boom, boom. It just took off. I mean, it was, it was, he's had amazing career, so good on him. Well, Kevin, it is September 25th, so it's just right around the corner here. Directors cut in theaters. It's Reagan, the movie.

Kevin's playing Reverend Ben Cleaver, and everybody's check it out at Reagan. Dot movie. Kevin, we appreciate you jumping on, just hanging out. My pleasure. Hey, hey, real quick, follow me on Sorboot Studios.com. Sorboos Studios.com. I got a lot of good things coming on the pipeline. I got a documentary that I narrate

that's coming out next month. Deals with The Last Supper. It's called Eating with the Enemy. People will love it. Then I got three of the movies done in the can. And I'm about to start another movie next month with Sean McNamara, who directed me in Reagan and also the movie Soul Surfer.

I'm doing a movie of him dealing with the heart of Jesus. It's pretty interesting. Nice. Oh, awesome. Sorboos studios.com. Awesome. Kevin Sorbo.

Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Kevin. Appreciate you being with us here today. All right, there he goes. And our thanks as well to Vince August. Hold on. What? Oh, what are we got?

What? Hold on. What? We got a special guest. Uh-oh. That wants to join. Special guest? Really?

This is producing on the fly. Is it Patrick? He wants to defend him. Hey! I'm pretty pissed off. I've heard you attack you multiple times. The last few days. ridiculous.

How is Ocho? He said you misrepresented his take today. I wrote a whole speech about you, Patrick. A whole speech. I'm giving it tonight. 30 minutes on the rise of young right-wing socialists. Is that the van? Is that the...

Is that the hand-transporter? Yeah. This is a... 16 pass. This is my little car. It's my little car. I'm not carrying people around right now. You're in there by yourself?

Yeah. I actually had time to go to lunch to that. It's incredible. You're going to hit the toys of Russ? Hit the toys of Russ on the way home? Yeah. Yeah. He's headed down to Disney, actually, for the weekend. I can't afford toys, Vince. I mean, that's a Tim Young thing.

Tim Young can afford toys. You've got eight kids now. How do you afford anything? I know. Well, we still have a lot of Legos, so. I mean, at some point on the affordability crisis, don't you take a little bit of ownership? I mean, you've got eight kids. And what point is it your phone? That's what I'm saying.

I know. There is a level of responsibility that goes into it. And I'm not saying that, you know, in my situation, it's much different. But I'm saying, like, for the average person who has two kids, it's like, I'm seeing people get crap online for having two. And I'm like, I thought we wanted this country to, you know, to have more kids. I thought we wanted three and four. I thought we wanted to be able to replace people. but I guess not, you know.

I agree. I agree. Thank you for pumping up that average. How is the young one? You're carrying the weight for a lot of us. I appreciate that. How's Ocho? He's doing good.

He's, uh, yeah, we got an appointment later today. So we're going to see if he has gotten his weight back up to where he was coming out. So he's actually on the small side. He's kind of a runt of our family. So he's only eight pounds. When you have eight, I guess it is like a litter. You can be like, this one's the run-top.

He's the last one to get to the food table. This is a shy one. Is he going to go by Cormick? Or is he going to go by Ocho? Ocho. We're playing around with it. So some people call him the Ocho, like Vince, and me. And then we call him Cormick.

My wife, and then other of our kids call him Cormy. and then we've been toying with Corey and then Mac. And so we've been toying with a bunch of different nicknames. Mac is cool. But my wife's like very, very like, well, we should keep, just keep calling him Cormick until, you know, we figure it out. All right. You ready? Of course.

I've got opinions. Sure. Stop calling him Cormick. He's Cormac. It's, you don't, don't, don't rush through the end of that. No, no, we've gone through that. We've literally studied it. It's Cormack.

there are multiple ways to say it I don't I kind of trust Patrick's Irishness to know more Kormick Kormick Kormack Kormack

Kormick Don't turn it into an I Make it a U or an A You know what I'm saying? It's like a MEC Kormick is like an eye in there I want it to be a U or an A A long vowel

Kormick Kormick It just sounds I don't have an accent I'm a cowboy Cowboy? Second. Yeah.

Mac is good. I like Mac. If you go, don't go Cormy. Don't do Cormy. No. Tell you. Or Corey, you're taking a unique name and making it every day if you go Corey. That kid's getting his ass kicked in school.

They're kicking Corey's ass all over the place. I know. He's homeschooled. They are going to love to have it already. Mac? Yeah. I'll give you a choice. There's two kids looking for you after school.

Corey or Mac? I'm taking on Corey every day. Mac, I'm running home. Play sports to go by Mac truck. That's a good nickname. Yeah. Yeah. Run over by Mac.

Yeah. But as much as I like Cormac, Cormac, which I really do, we've already talked about it in your absence. It's a strong name. Ocho. I'm winning over.

Vince has got me on Ocho. Ocho. Yeah. I know. I really like Ocho. Yeah. It's pretty sick. It's Kostanza-esque.

It's so easy to explain later in life. Why's your name Ocho? Well, people get it. you know yeah they go i just uh i think i was on uh x and so you know i said the ocho came a couple weeks ago and then like they got it they figured out that it was he was number eight it's it's pretty straightforward yeah great tattoos with a name ocho too exactly yeah and you get just an octopus what are you coming that's what i'm saying when are you coming back when are you coming back from paternity leave january i don't know i don't know if

I will. I mean, this has been free. The audience of the chat misses you. I mean, we all know you're on your way to Taco Bell. Let's be honest. Do you want to announce now that your wife? Where was lunch? Was lunch at Taco Bell? No, it was a local place called Nacho Taco.

It's called Taco Bell last night. To Cobell. Because it was my, yeah. What'd you get? Mountain Dew? I had to try the new, no, they have the new Gordita sliders. They're like, you know, a two-pack, the

little gorditas, but they're not cheesy. And so I'm actually out on them. They weren't as good as a cheesy gordita. My man knows the menu. He knows when they've got a new item on the menu. He's going to be there. He's clipping coupons. This guy.

I'm going to tell you right now, Will, I'm pissed off, okay? Devante Adams. Devante Adams, I'm calling him out. This guy has a purple Taco Bell card. He can get like $7 million with a Taco Bell. He's one of two people. And I'm like, I want that card. We need, we need to work hard to get me that card.

Okay? I want Taco Bell to be like, no, no. Why does Los Angeles Rams wide receiver, DeVante Adams, have the purple card at Taco Bell? He's in the commercials, isn't he? We need our people. Oh, I don't know. He has one in his house. We need the cane and two people in the world.

Who's the other person? He didn't say. We need the Canaanites to make this happen. This is a travesty. Yes. This is a travesty given how much I love Taco Bell, how much I give free publicity to Taco Bell. Well, if Devante Adams loves it, it's legit. So.

Patrick, how old is Ciette? He has to count. I don't know what that is. Is that seven? Yeah, yeah, the kid before. Oh, Chowell. Three. Three.

Three. I don't speak Spanish. Yeah. Three. Three. You're not cranking them out as quick as I thought. I was just curious. Hold on. Hold on.

He has an announcement here. Say it. Is wife pregnant with number nine? Right. I'll tell you right now, Vince. They made it very clear. No, there's no entry for at least six weeks. So I'm coming back by then.

Oh, okay. All right. Dude. All right. I'm just saying. Yes. Right on the heels of Taco Bell. I didn't need that visual.

And you name them nine like the Germans say nine. You have to name them nine. Sure. I'm in on that. I mean, you got to get to an even ten. Are you done? Are you done? I don't know. I don't know.

Probably. That's nuts. I thought you're going to give us a Fox News alert that you're done. No. I don't know. I'm not sitting here counting. How old are you? I'm almost 40.

Oh, no. He's not done. He's got more. still got a couple bullets in that chamber. Oh, my gosh. Depends on it how if my wife's done, that's the problem. He's like Bruce Willis at the end of diehard. He's pulling the gun, and he's looking.

He's, all right, I still got a bullet left. I'm never done. He's two away from beating Rachel Campos Duffy. I mean, you might as well say the gold at this point. Yeah, you have to just go to town. I can easily beat her. You're bringing Irish Catholic back to the United States. That's right.

Vince, how many kids do you have? Zero. But thanks to Hatton, we average out at four. We're at four. That's what I'm trying to do here. Dan's got zero, you've got zero, I've got two. By the replacement level, we should have 12 between us. We should have 12 between us, but we're only at 10.

We're almost there. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Oh, you're working on it. So Dan, Patrick. There you go. I'm working on it. The things are in motion.

Yeah, things are in motion. You've got adoption money, Kane. You've got adoption money. Yeah. Kane's got adoption money. Yeah. It's real fun, Will. Well, you should do it.

It's good to see you, man. This is the first time I've talked to Patrick. Yeah. Or seen him. Ignore my text. I need you back. I've sent text, you know, saying what I believe on the economics skill. You just keep ignoring them.

You're gone to Will. Presenting false arguments. Well, I appreciate you listening. Oh, yeah. He's just stirring up crap in the chat every day. I appreciate you being a member of the Willisha. He's literally just a pot stir. Great stuff.

All right, buddy, it's good to see you. Best of luck to you and the family. Happy for Ocho. Thank you for hanging out. Thank you, sir. All right. I hope we'll see you soon. Vince, thanks as always, buddy.

Pleasure, brother. Thank you for everything. All right. All right, that's going to do it for us today. Make sure you follow us on Spotify or Apple, and we'll see you again next time. Listen to ad-free with a Fox News Podcast Plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon Music app.