Will Cain Country - Kimmel’s ‘Plumber’ Jab Backfires — Critics Call Him Elitist (ft. Lawrence Jones, Asra Nomani, and Vince August)

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Story 1: FOX & Friends Co-Host Lawrence Jones sits down with Will to discuss the difficulties of raising a dog in a big city, before debating their views on the conflict in Iran. Plus, Lawrence educates Will on the stark differences between white and black nicknaming culture. Story 2: Senior Editor of Investigations at FOX News Digital Asra Nomani joins Will to discuss her efforts to bring about reform within her Muslim faith, before continuing her multi-part deep dive into Neville Roy Singham’s extensive pro-CCP propaganda network. Story 3: Comedian Vince August explains the factors behind the sharp drop in popularity among Italian soccer teams, (and their bizarre attachment to Italy’s politics) before sharing his thoughts on the reasons behind the slow and steady decline of late-night television as Jimmy Kimmel faces criticism over a joke about new DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lawrence Billy Jones the 3rd. Azra Nomani. Vince August. Live from New York. It is the Wilcane Show. It is Wilcane Country. Streaming live with the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page.

You can always follow us on Spotify or on Apple. We are live from New York City once again. Today we got a big show for you. Many, many people are going to walk through these doors. many people going to hang out with this in person today here in New York. Yesterday I fired off a text. I said, hey, man, will you please drop by? And I know.

You didn't think I was going to show. Well, I know. Well, first of all, Jordan is tonight. I was Lawrence, Billy Jones, the third. I know what a big ask it is when you get up. You probably get up. Hold on, I can do this because I've been. You've done it.

Where you are. And I think I know you decently. All right, Brian can do his I get up a 2 a.m. thing. Okay. My suspicion is you are getting up at, you live in the city. I live in the city. If I were you, I was you. My alarm went off at 4.30.

I got into the building about 510, 5.5.10. Red, sat on my couch, got dressed at 5.30, in the makeup chair at 540 on set, at 540 on set than for a 6 o'clock show. My suspicion is you're kind of similar. Close. I got to get in a little bit earlier than you because I have to do the tease. Brian makes you do it every day? I do it three days out of the week.

Well, that's only, what, seven minutes earlier, right? You're talking about on Fox and Friends first. You hop on. I got to hop on. 45 minutes. That's 15 minutes before the show. What time's your alarm go off? Four o'clock.

Four o'clock. Four o'clock. Okay. Yeah, so I know what a big ask is. Because I got to take the dog out. Oh. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

You see? You do. You take her out? Every morning. And just to the street to do her business. Do her lap real quick. And boom. That takes about 10 extra minutes.

Man, when I first moved to New York, all right, I had a Doberman. He was at that. The Doberman was in New York? Yeah. Oh, wow. He was 10 years old. Oh, wow. I got him in Hawaii.

He lived in Hawaii. Texas, Austin, and Sherman, and Montana. My man had been around, right? He'd worked a ranch in Montana. And then at the end of his life, I take him to New York, right? And my wife's here with me right now, and we saw these dogs taking a dump on the street, Lawrence. And we were like, oh, it's so sad for that dog.

And here's my dog, right? When we first moved to New York, he had been a country dog and a small town dog. There was no need, and intuitively the dog understands, I don't go the bathroom on hard surfaces. Right. On hard surfaces. Right.

You don't go the bathroom in the house. There's a hard surface correlation that goes on. Yeah. They don't take a dump in the driveway. No. You know, they don't go out to the street. It's not their deal. It's the yard.

So he's like, where do I go to the bathroom? Right. So you know how when you walk up and down the street, there's the trees and trees have the little planter around it? And sometimes they have a little gate. Right. That's where my dog goes. He hopped up in there.

That little tiny square around the tree. He's like, I guess this is where I go and went. That's the same for my dog. She's, because her first six months, because, you know, she's a military dog. And she was raised on the farm. So she won't go on hard, she won't go on the sidewalk. Really? And I could have trained her to go on the sidewalk.

But I always thought it's weird. When I see dogs, dude, that's weird for me. Boy, that's not, that's faux pa. Yeah. Sidewalk is faux in New York. Yeah, it's just, take them to the street. Yeah. That's what people do.

To me, the whole thing is weird. So she's never learned. I tell you what, she did, we've had a snowy season here. And because the snow was on the ground, the first time she did, I was like, oh, she went on the sidewalk. But it was only because she didn't see the sidewalk. Yeah, because she saw the snow. Yeah.

You know, so, and I thought, I said to myself, I said, is she going to continue this afterwards? Absolutely not. When the snow got away, she went right back to her normal area. Man, we got Fox and Friends host, Lawrence Jones, with us here. And he said, what we can talk about? I go, I don't know. And we're already going.

So the other day, Lawrence, now I've got two Dobermans. Okay. And I just got a new one about a year ago. And, you know, this is your first. You've got a Belgian Melancholy. It's your first. Okay. And you're going to love that dog, like no dog that comes after it.

Probably going to be my last dog, honestly. That's what you say. Unless I have children and. That's what you say. Yeah. Okay. And there's other reasons you may be saying that. So I got my first dog.

when I was 21. I was senior in college or something like that. And that was my man. I mean, he was with me through everything. And he was so good. In my mind, he was perfect. Like, he didn't do anything. Right.

And so when he died, I'm not doing it again. Yeah. That's what I'm afraid of. There's no matching. There's no meeting. There's no replicating it. And I went a long time. I probably went 10 years.

Yeah. I went in retrospect way too long because a dog enriches your life so much. 100%. And so when I got my other Doberman now, the female that I have, she is awesome. I love her to death. She is not ever going to be him, the first one. She will not.

But she's amazing. And then I get my third one. I've got two. And he is not. Neither one of them. He is not either of the other two, man. He's gorgeous. Right, right, right.

He walks in, he is gorgeous. I think he's got a little European blood in him. There's two types of Doberman's American. European, and the Europeans a little thicker, lock your head. He's gorgeous. So this weekend, Dan, I didn't tell you and Pat this as well. So it's walking, my dog, and I walk him without a leash. They do wear electric collars.

But, I mean, they're awesome. Offleet, yeah. I say heal, they heal. And the guy that helped me train him was like, how badass do you feel when you're walking on the street and you've got two Dobermans flanking you? You know, it's just sitting there walking with you. And if I say loose, they go loose.

So in various parts of the neighborhood, I'll say loose and I just let them go. Yeah. So we were approaching this cul-de-sac, and I knew this is a good place. I said, loose, they can run. This guy walks out, and he sees my dog before he sees me, and he's like, and he kind of looks around, and then he turns and sees me, he goes, oh, okay, there's his owner, there's owner. Okay, but then I still thought, well, I'm going to bring them back in because it's a little

uncool to have them rampaging front yards, where I got. So I go heel, and they come running. They come running behind a tree, and right then I hear on your left, and I'm like, oh, no. and on my left is the bane of my wife's existence. Like she said, if there is a racism version of whatever this is, she is this. A cyclist. She doesn't not care.

I'm with her. I'm with her. I feel like they don't abide by the rules. Your aunt, the helmet, first of all, let's start with the helmet and the leotards. Right, right. They look silly. Hey, I would say the rules, they look silly.

And then number three, they're just a . Well, they live in a world. Now, first of all, I've never been a cyclist and I will grant them this. I bet it's a little scary. Like, it's a little scary. Then don't ride. Okay, that's on you. Don't ride.

But they don't obey rules. Like, they don't do stop signs. Nope. And they expect you to obey rules. And so what I'm good at doing is hearing cars come. Right. Now, the whole hybrid electric thing does throw up.

It is. I can hear cars coming, and that's when I say heal. I didn't hear this dude at all until I heard. on your left. I had already said, heel, they're on their way. They come from behind the tree.

The female, who's faster and more athletic, she's quickly past him, and I can see it happen in slow motion. Here comes my lumbering, gigantic 80-pound doberman. He's like, boom, boom. And dude, the cyclist hit him square. And the cyclist went over his handlebars, helmet on the ground, elbow on the ground,

and he's like, oh. Oh, here we go. And I'm like, are you okay, man? And he was kind of slow and everything was slow. And I was like, just take your time. Don't get up. And he goes, how's the dog? I go, I'm not worried about the dog.

I'm worried about you. So at this point, I don't know where my dog is. I just figure he's over there laying on the side of the road. And so about a couple of minutes past, I'm like, okay, I should find my dog. And I can't find my dog now. I'm like, saint, saint, where are you? And all I see is down the street, my dog, high tailing it, scared as could be being chased by this husky whose leash is trailing behind it.

So he got hit by a bike. He ran up to an old lady walking her dog who was a husky. Some commotion ensues. But he's gone. He gone. So I've got this 80-pound, dangerous-looking Doberman, terrified running away from this husky after he just got hit by a bike. He's like no other Doberman I've ever had.

I like Doberman. So for people don't know, when I'm not doing TV, if I could stop doing TV today, right, then I would go on the farm and train dogs. I love training Dutchies, Malinouis, Dutch Shepherd. Okay. German shepherds and Malinwas. Those are the three I train.

By the way, real quick, I love those dogs as well. There's two reasons I'm not into those dogs. Okay, which ones? Three. All three of them. They're in a similar vein, but mostly yours, Belgian. I happened into Dobermans.

I adopted one from the Humane Society, never planned on getting it, and then I fell in love with the breed. Right, right. Loyal, smart, sensitive, all these things. but there's no doubt that Belgians are more smart, more athletic than the Doberman. A, I don't have a lifestyle that can accommodate a Belgian. Belgians are not pets. They're working dogs.

And it's too much for me. B, and this is a thing for you to some extent, I don't think those dogs really, I feel bad when I see those dogs in Texas. Really? Dude, it's 100 degrees for a month and a half and they've got those long. When I see a German Shepherd in Texas, I'm like, my man is dying. Yeah, but I mean you don't, you don't, like for example, this stuff just becomes like instinct for you. Like, she's in the house. Actually, she loves being in Texas when we're at the house.

The only thing that I have to do that I don't do when I'm in New York is before I go out, I touch the ground to make sure her pause. And because the way our relationship, I just pick her up. Pick her up, put her on my back. Sometimes you'll see me. Like she has her lead on. Most of the time she can move without her lead. So if I feel the ground and it's like, okay. It's hot?

Yeah, yeah. I make sure it's hot so it doesn't burn the pause. Other than that, she's good. And I just keep, you know, the car running, making sure the air condition. We, like, I adapted my lifestyle to fit with her. Right. I know you're saying. So it's actually not as big of a struggle as you may think.

Now, some people, their lifestyle is their lifestyle. They're not going to adapt to it. Right. And I wouldn't, you know, there's a bunch of maloans in shelters now because people still all my movies and all the videos. 100%. I'm sure. You know, when I first started, Nala was two months.

And because it's a military philosophy, no treats, no shot call. I don't, it's all love and connection with the dog, right? And discipline, obviously. The boys tried to break me because they didn't feel like I, with my lifestyle, going in diners and all of that, that I could have a dog full time. And so I really showed up for like training and water training. and all different type of obstacle courses to kind of prove to them,

I could take this on. Three years later, we're good. We traveled over 300 and some thousand miles one year doing election year. Right. And everywhere you see me, a diner, she's with me. So you would do this, you're saying?

You were walking through the breeds that you like. You would want to train if you didn't do this. 100%. And you were going to say something about Dobermans. Like, you like those breeds. I do like them, but I just haven't had the opportunity to train them, but they're great dogs. They're in the same vein.

They're in the same vein. I love the working breed. Yeah, me too. Me too. You know, I try to be a disciplined person. I get up at the same time. I eat at the same time. Go to the gym at the same time.

That's who I am. Like, I'm very routine oriented. And Nala is the same way. Like, if I decide to sleep in on the weekend and she's up, like, where are we going? Like, it's time to go. It's time to go. Right. And that, that works for me.

If I could leave TV today and still pay my bills, I would go train dogs. Because it just gives you, I don't know, it's just different, man. No, I, I. Purpose, you know. Oh, it's, it's so much. It's so much. Yesterday, we somehow ended up playing. Have you seen the videos of King Charles?

No, no. Oh, you got to see the videos of King Charles. He's, uh, this dog, it's in like a pound or, you know, with all these other dogs. And he's got ultimate alpha energy. Like, Dan, pull it up. So Lawrence can see it. He doesn't need to have sound, that video. You'll have it right there, Lawrence.

But the way that he behaves and the other dogs react to him, I'm talking about Kane Corrosos. He's like a mutt. He's like, I'm talking about Cane Corrosos, German Shepherds, his alpha energy in the way he controls other dogs. But the point I'm getting at on that is you're dealing in a form of communication. Look, we talk all about men being masculine in alpha energy,

but at some degree, like what you see with dogs is a proxy. Well, watch this. Okay, that's King Charles. Okay, but where's the video? Oh, wow. Where's the video, Dan, where he walks through the junkyard? Okay, these are dogs fighting, okay?

You can see him standing there. That video you had yesterday was the one. Look at these two dogs going at it. Here it is. These dogs are going at it, and they're fighting, right? He's not here yet, King Charles. Hold on. These two dogs look at they're going to fight.

They're establishing who's dominant in this thing. Now watch. This is my favorite part. Look at the King Corso bow. The German Shepherd says he's here, and then look, he's here. Now he's going to get this dude in line. King Charles just walks in, and the dude that was aggressive, all of a sudden bows his head. He knows.

He knows. Charles is here. That's typical. Look at that King Corso bow. Yeah, because he knows. He knows. I mean, some of it is genetic with breezes and all that, but sometimes this dog personalities. You know, like, we know what a litter is born.

First of all, not to give out like secrets of the farm and all that, but there's no human, really human contact for the first like five weeks. So if a dog dies, it's very like, you know, primal. Like if a dog dies, if they kill each other, that's the way they are because you want them to establish how God wanted them to be before you put them out in the field. And so you can, I know if a dog is going to be right for a home or the, or they're not. military when they're babies. Yeah. Because their temperament, how they respond to each other and all that. And I know the bullies, too.

But you know what? The bully is going to meet a real bully. And we see that in class all the time where this dog is picking on other dogs at doing the minute. And it's like, okay, just wait, this way. This way. And we let it happen. Let them establish.

Humans, we think that we need to control everything. And so they're like, what are you doing? Like, why are you letting this happen? God intended them to be that way. You've got to just let it play. out. Because we're an overly toxicly empathetic society. A hundred percent. Feminized and don't understand.

That too. It's true. It's true. Let's take a quick break. This is just getting fun with my buddy. Lawrence Jones, the host of Fox and friends, when we come back on Will Cain Country. Join Fox in supporting our troops. From daily needs to global emergencies, help us be there for those who serve. Visit go.com.com slash Red Cross to donate to service to the armed forces today. This is Ainsley Earhart.

Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcasts.com, wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with the host of Fox and Friends, Lawrence Billy Jones, the third. So you want to talk about the war? What do you want to talk about? Oh, okay, yeah.

We've only got it. How much time do we got? Not as much as we want, because I want to talk about it. something else too. Yeah, let's talk about the war. So Lawrence came in and sat down and he said, I should, I should come on your show more and we could disagree. I'm like, what do we disagree on? And you brought up the war. And then I joked, well, I've got General Keen to tell me where I get wrong on war. And then you said, I said you got to understand. Well, well, first you said it was, you thought it was a beautiful moment. It was beautiful. Everyone listening and watching familiar.

I talked about it on the show afterwards that General Keen kind of barked at me, said, don't patronize me or I think that's what he said. Is that what he said? Something like that. Yeah, don't Patrick. He wanted you to get to your question. Right. And then I kind of pushed back, like, General, I'm not patronizing you. I'm asking what I think is a very important question. What are the objectives of the war?

We went through the interview. He apologized. At the end of the interview on air. 100%. Watch the whole thing. Audience has never been more mad at me. Thought I was disrespectful. I will defend myself.

I don't back down. I do think my question was important. I made the mistakes in the interview. I shouldn't have, like, raised my finger and this kind of thing. But anyway, why did you think it was beautiful? Well, because I know you both. And I know my evolution. Like when you first met me, I was a libertarian.

I was like totally grown up and like you grow up and you just leave those ways. But I know you both. And one thing I respect about you is that you have approach and that approach does not change. No matter who's in front of you. You can be the president of the United States, a general or just meeting you as boys. And you're very methodical in your, you have what I call the buildup to your question. You got to set the stage and make sure that point. points are hit first.

Well, you have a four-star general who's in war right now, you know, who's advising the president, sect death, you know, Israel, who's, and he wants, he's in the heat of the moment now. He's looking at battle plan. He is back in his groove, and your approach is not changing. And so the general is like, just get to your question, you know. And I love that because, you know, I think one of the thing that TV struggles with is we want to script things as best as possible, right? And you miss authenticity in moments like that

by trying to stick with time cues, how you structure things. And that was real life. Because you were trying to get to the nitty gritty during your job and the general was like, I'm fighting. I'm getting weapons reports. I'm in the thick of it. Just answer your effing question. Yeah.

And he apologized at the end. in and said, you know, I should have never barked at you. That's who he is as well. He's a gentleman as well. And I think, you know, a lot of people are separated on this war. You know, for so often, for a long time, I've said no new wars, no new wars. But with this one, I'm way different because I see what the president is doing. And honestly, I see with Venezuela. I see with the world.

And I see this opportunity to redo the map. You know, you got Latin America. You're talking about root causes. You want to really get down to root causes. Then you got to make sure you reestablish order in the region there. And then I see Iran who is there is no negotiation with them. No one wants to say that. The president doesn't want to say that.

The sect death don't want to say that. But there is no negotiations. You have to kill them. You have to wipe them out. And some of them, frankly, and forgive me. but I have too many boys that have gone through it is the children are part of this as well. Now, there are the innocent children, and then there are the children that are on the battlefield as well that will give your location out, will strap a suicide vest to them, and no one wants to have that

uncomfortable conversation. And so I look at this, and I see the region and the inspiration. You talk about the Middle East and a lot of the Muslim country, Arab world, a lot of the inspiration for terrorism comes from Iran. And I see the president saying, we're going to wipe you out. And you can't, you want to be consistent. You really do because you've held this position. But I'm comfortable with saying, I trust the people that are making decisions right now. And so I feel a little bit differently about a lot different about this. So, well, like you, I was probably a libertarian a long time ago, that's not what informs my point of view anymore at all. In fact,

I think most of the libertarian perspective and a lot of the right that's pushing back on this, I'm very suspect of. Oh, 100%. Very suspect. 100%. And there's just been this weird thing now where we're like super, I don't know, if the word is complimentary or forgiving or tolerant of Islamism. Oh, 100%. And I don't get it. It's like people skepticism. And that is new for me. I got to be honest with you. Well, it's driven out of their skepticism of Israel. Right, right. That's what's going on. So they're going all the way the other way. This, I don't, the only guiding light I have, Lawrence,

because I'm not a pacifist, and I don't think I'm a no new wars guy, is America First. Right. That's it. Okay. So what that means for me is anything that we do, even for an adventure, whatever, as long as it serves America First, then I can be sold on it. Now, serving America First has to answer a question of cost and benefit, right?

And that's where I get into the Iran thing a little bit on the cost-benefit side. So yeah, yeah, take out Maduro, cost-low, benefit-high. Greenland, love it, cost-low, benefit high, all these things. Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Secretary of War, and the president have been very clear, they're not interested in those types of wars, cost-high, benefit low. Right? So the question with Iran is what will be the cost-benefit, right? And I don't know the answer to that yet, because we, that day,

with Keene, what I was trying to do is establish the objectives. Because if I can establish the objective, now I can analyze the cost benefit. So, because you got to know what your goal is. Goal and then what's it cost to get to the goal. Because the goal defines the benefit, right? And I'm like today, I am a little concerned with the USS Tripoli and the Marines and 82nd Airborne headed to the region. Yesterday on the show, we have made our demands of Iran. We put out five demands. There's two that are concerning. No nuclear enrichment and control the of Hormuz. Those are both great.

Yeah. But the cost to accomplish those goals is what's the big question? So when we need dudes, let me ask you this, though, we need dudes on the southern coast of Iran. When you say cost, and it could be both, because a lot of people look at it both, are you looking at it for cost when it comes to the lives that could be lost, American soldiers, or the financial costs that is going to. It's blood and treasure. Okay.

It's both. If you don't have a military, why have a military, if you're not going to take out the number one tier threat. Yeah, that's, okay, I get it. When I was young in my career, Lawrence, I was at CNN, and I'm not saying you're saying this, okay, but this is something that informed me.

We were going to bomb Libya, and we did, and we took out Gaddafi, okay? And then we took out Gaddafi, and then the radicals took control. Remember? Correct. Okay, and I'm doing that. And maybe back then, this is probably, what was that, like 11, 2011? Just then the Arab Spring.

Right. And I was maybe a little more libertarian than I am now and I remember Elliot Spitzer who was then the governor of New York said to me what's the point in having all these toys if we don't use them? That's a world that's that and dude it scared me yeah because what I heard there was a level of narcissism and egotism that I don't ever want at the hands of power

now listen you said something key a moment ago and this is key for me and I hope this doesn't sound like a cop out to anyone I trust the president and I trust the secretary of war I trust the men making decisions on this, and that's the end key for me. So I can go through all this intellectual exercise, and I think we should. I think the questions should be asked, but the bottom line is I do trust that those men are asking those questions. And those men are going through this analysis.

It doesn't mean I shouldn't be asking them about it. I should, because the American people should be asking the same. But I do trust these leaders. I would say this, Will, I feel like you're approaching it from a fair perspective. What I've seen on the right that I don't like. And some of it is innocent and some of it is an ideology that I just can't jive with right now. There are some on our side that legitimately think that Israel brought us here. Yeah.

And it's just factually inaccurate. It's just factually. You know, it was one point in this whole conflict where Bibi wanted to go. I mean, I'm sorry that the president wanted to go and Bibi was telling the president you know, we can't do this right now. We're not ready just yet. And I mean,

like, you know these guys. And so I don't know. I don't think the president of the United States is going to be bullied by anybody. That was my second point. That's my second point. So I just, I'm trying to understand that perspective. I really am because I think

part of it is rooted in anti-Semitism. It is 100%. But the other part is they look at the money and they look at the relationship with Israel, and there are some people that are legitimately questioned it. Yeah. Yeah, I know you're right. I think that's at the core of a lot of this.

On the right. Yeah. And I'm biased on it because from my Christian worldview and my America First worldview, I'm biased on it. I know our special forces trains with their special forces. I know the weapons that we make, they make better, right? They'll sell them weapons and they'll do their own configuring and they put their people on the line.

We're not fighting a war for them. They're fighting as well. They have boots underground. They're ready to go. And so, you know, I'm not, I don't want to use as a cop out of saying, oh, I know too much because I think it's all publicly available for the most part. But these guys are linking arm and arm with us. And I still do, from a religious standpoint, believe that we will always be paired together. I don't understand the Christians on our side that can acknowledge our Lord and Savior being a Jew and then want this distance between them.

You know, I don't understand where they, on a moral ground, where people feel like the Ghazans and the Israelis are equal. Our human life is equal. but one is raining out terror against the other. And we'll be next as well. And so I don't want to be academic and try to explain to people what radical Islamic terror is and what an infidel is

and how the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist. But until people understand that. I want to do two things with you real quick. So this is my other thing. And I said this with Brian this morning on his radio show. I am concerned with this.

And this is tied to your Islamism thing, is right now, according to a new Fox news poll, independents only 28% support this war. I get it. And that's nerve-wracking. Yeah. I had a Republican tell me, who's running for Congress today, his internal polling shows a five to six point swing. I believe it. He was up three.

Now he's down like two or three. Because of this, he said. Yeah. He's not against it. He's just saying, I'm just telling you what my polling is showing me. And so my concern is, okay, not everything needs to be filtered. through the prism of winning elections, but I am big on immigration. That is my thing. Yes. And this, the Islamism thing, the assimilation issues, these kind of things are big. And so if you,

and by the way, some things are going really good on that front. Self-deportations, even denaturalizations. This is another area where we disagree. I feel like that issue is more catastrophic to Republicans in a midterm election than this war. That's a, that, that is a political price I'm willing to pay. Because it's the future of the country. And if that, if this war, for example, makes us lose the midterms and then we can't do immigration stuff that we need to do, now we've got a big problem. We lose the country through uncontrolled immigration. I believe it's the opposite. The idea, and by the way, I used to hold this position of deporting everyone, right?

If you're in the country illegally, you've got to be deported. It is not realistic. It's just not realistic. And even if it was realistic, you got to do it in layers. You have to do it in layers. Look, I don't, I'm not seeing every Latino that made the conversion is not going to vote for us if we don't do this in a structured way. And I think Tom Holman is doing a great job. But if we don't do it in a structured way, we will lose our gains.

Period. And all the other changes that we want? I'm just more radical on this. I'm going to have Congressman Andy Ogles on the show today, and I'm talking about legal immigration, too. I agree with you principally. We have four naturalized Americans. Well, three and one, the children of naturalized, commit terror into two-week period. Austin, Old Dominion, Michigan, New York City. But that's a vetting problem.

That's a vetting problem. They went through... It's not just vetting. It's assimilation problems, too. Of course. 70% of our legal immigration is through family reunification. 100%. 70%.

That's not asking this essential question. Do you want to be an American? That's asking, do you want to live with your grandma? Right, right, right. You know? Right. And I think there should be structures. That is a more structured approach of tackling that.

But once the people are here, right, and they're not a part of a criminal element. And you're just going to deport people that have established. You can't ask people to be political when their family members are being deported. And you can't win the next election without Latinos. It's just a reality of them. I start looking at numbers and I'm like we can't win. Latinos have supported the idea.

I mean, I don't know where we are today. To an extent. Look at Florida. Areas that we had already won are flipping. Yeah. You are going to be, they're telling me, Osir Namani is waiting, so I've got to get to Osra, but I did want to ask you this today.

Yeah. Lawrence Billy. Jones. Jones. So. My son will be the fourth. You know what catches me in this whole thing, right? What?

Come on. Billy. Billy. You never knew my middle name was Billy? No. For most of my life. Not William. You know, Billy.

And not Larry, either. Well, Larry's short for Lawrence. My dad was Larry. But he wasn't Lawrence, by way. My dad's like you. So Billy is a nickname for William. That's what they say. No, it's what it is.

That's what they say. You know, I tell. Larry, Larry is a nickname for, it's a white thing. It's not a white thing. It's a white thing. It's a color thing.

It really is a color thing. And I don't understand, first of all, where do you get Larry for Lawrence? I don't know, what you do. You don't. You just came up with it one day. Well, that's,

yes, somebody a long time ago came up with it. Well, you just start changing people name. That's not the most confusing one is Jack. The most confusing way is Jack. All of them. Jack is John. See, like that. Like that.

Can you imagine John the Baptist and it's like, call me Jack. Don't even sound powerful. It doesn't have the, I'm just saying it's a color thing. And I don't know. Do we use that term? Do we use that term?

I use all the terms you're not supposed to. I say Yankee. I say colored term. I use them all. Can I say? I think people, I think people. Can I say it?

Yes, in context. I don't think I can get away with saying it's a colored thing. It is a colored thing. going going straight to Billy and bypassing William is a black thing. That's not a, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's a white thing. No, it's what you did. Changing, changing people's names with, I don't even know the formula for it. Like, who comes up with that?

No, my birth certificate says Lawrence, Billy Jones, the third. You're telling me black people don't change names from birth certificate names? Well, they'll give you a nickname. Yes. But not like changing your name. They don't say, hey, this true. Like, if I want to call you Jumba, you just Jumebug. No matter what, no matter if your name, Larry, John, Bill.

I just gave you that name. Who is that black community that did the nickname thing? He goes, like, white people have the best nicknames. You can, like, go into a bank and you'll meet the banker. Yeah. I can't even have a good white people nickname. He's like, but you'll take a loan from him. But you don't go into the bank being like, who's going to be your loan officer day?

Junebug. No, you don't do it. It's true. I want to see the skin action because it's true. It's true. I just I've never It's partly my grandfather He told me

You think Billy D. Williams Is it William actually? Is it William? Billy D. Williams? It can't be. William D. Williams? Nah. Can't be.

I told you. I told you I think we should have these uncomfortable conversations I think it would make us grow as a society and we embrace our differences and be honest about it.

I know. Charles that's my name, you know? That's my son's name. Your name is... I come from a long line of Charles's. Your name is Charles William? Charles Williams with an S.

Yeah. It's my mom's maiden name. Now, who came up with that? Well, it was my mom's maiden name. They wanted to honor that side of the family. So your real name is Charles. I've been calling you Will for you? It's Charles Williams Kane.

And I go by Will. Okay, so let me ask you this. Hey, Osra, just bring Osra on, so you didn't have to wait. Go ahead, go ahead. Ask me this. Ams? Is your family?

comfortable with people changing the name? Like you being... My son is Charles. He goes by Charlie. That's... I understand. That's acceptable? What about Chuck? I don't know where that came from. That's Charles, too. Yeah, but at least that's close. Chaz?

Chas for what? That's Charles, too. See what I mean? See, what you would do is you just go, Lawrence, Chaz Jones, the fifth. Let me tell you, true story, and I'm going to let you go. For years, I have told people I will not respond to Larry. If you call me Larry, I'm a start. Larry, I won't respond.

Just Janine, probably about 10 years ago, I have warned her for you. I love her to death. Our officers used to be next door to each other. Don't call me Larry. The producers were known. Don't call me. And we were doing a live television interview. You probably go back in the entry.

She said, Larry, can you hear me? And I act like my IFB. I just stared into the camera. She never called me Larry here. All right. That's it. That's your Fox FAC for the day. Good to see you later.

Trivia. All right. Lawrence, Billy Jones, the third. I understand you're going to be on next Thursday too. You probably didn't know that.

Yeah. That's what they just texted me. They said, don't do it all in one shot. I got Osir to Monty wedding. All right. See you, buddy.

Good see, bro. Thanks, ma'am. Do we do the... What do you want to do? You want to do this? What do you want to do this? You want to do it with a little,

A little soul? Yeah. Oh, my God. What? I got it. Nice trying. Nice trying. Yeah, that was smooth.

Coming up, Osir Nomani has been doing a deep dive investigation at Fox News.com on the money behind the left. Neville Roy Singham when we come back on Will King Country. I'm sorry, Asra. I'm sorry you had to listen to all that. Gosh, it's entertaining. I get to be an audience. I'm sorry. I made you wait.

I love it. I could talk all day about dogs. I enjoyed every bit of it. Mike Goodwin was the comedian you're talking about, by the way. Mike Good one was the one that talked about black nicknames for a white nickname. Okay, let's play it after Osra. Azra Damani Fox News Digital investigative reporter. Why could you talk about dogs?

Are you a big dog person, Osra? Oh, no. You know, it's a big deal. This issue, so you know, I'm Muslim. Yeah. And we haven't even gotten into those topics. I could talk all day about the stuff you and Lawrence talking about. Yeah.

But one of the big issues, you know, came up over the last few months was whether or not Muslim families can have dogs. And I have been not only a Muslim feminist, but I've also been an advocate for dogs in homes. Never in our ancestry have we ever had a dog as a pet. But some years ago, I got a little dog. You did? And named her Lily. Foxy Lily Pat, actually, was her full name. She's a breed that I bet you never even heard.

of the finished bits. Have you ever heard of that? Never have. Oh my god. Beautiful like a fox. Oh. A bird dog to have a great bark. And she was my best friend. I was a single mom raising my son and she was always in the passenger seat. And I'm with you. I was so with you because she passed away a few years ago. And I have not been able to replace. Because that's what that word. It's that word. Replace like you're I won't use that word. Right. Right. Because you're right. I mean, it's not replaced. It's, it's, it's, It's just giving another dog your love and getting their love. But I'm not, but I'm not, I'm saying it philosophically because in practice I can't do it either. What the, the debate is that, are you talking about, does that come up with Mom Donnie?

Where did it come up? Yeah, it was it in America? It came up. It came up like over the last couple months. I'm trying to remember. It got ugly, you know, and oh, somebody who said like, oh, I'm going to bring a dog instead of a Muslim to something. or I got a little bit, you know, squeak, like a little weird, but why don't, I don't get, somebody got to look up.

I can't remember the details, but I remember something too on that. So it comes up and, and what it is, is just like all about interpretation. It's about this whole gamut of interpretation. I mean, it connects to what we were going to talk about, about ideology. Yeah. Because it's all ideology. That's why I'm so obsessed about ideology, because I have. seeing ideology do so much damage in the world and so much damage that you can't bring a dog in

your home if you believe this orthodox interpretation that the clerics teach us that this is what they say. I know you're not going to believe this and it's so outrageous that I call it, I put in the what the fatwa category. We're a little afraid what I was going to say, but they claim that no dog will, no, sorry, no angel will enter a home. in which a dog lives. So that's pretty heavy, right? Yeah. And so I got Lily and I asked my mom how she felt about it because, you know, maybe we'd have some relatives that wouldn't come over. And she's like, good. Good for those that won't come. We don't need them at the house. Yeah. Yeah. And my dad prays regularly and she would lie on his prayer rug and he didn't mind, you know, because I mean, as you know, this is, these are fatwa. was from centuries ago when we didn't have vets and we didn't have pet spas and all that. So as a Muslim reformer, we had an actual session in which we argued that, and I called it dogs are angels on earth.

And that's my fight. They might very well be. They might very well be. You know, it's interesting. I want to get into your investigative reporting again. in just a moment, but two things. Those fatwas and any ancient wisdom, I struggle with this to some degree,

Azra, because I do think that ancient wisdom is grounded in wisdom. Like, it comes from somewhere. Very rarely is it arbitrary, right? Whether not it's Jews not eating pork or Christians, I had this Christian dietitian on, and he was telling me all these things how to eat biblically.

And he was like this, I can't remember all of them, but they all come from somewhere. dealing with sanitary conditions and these kind of things, but they are conditions that no longer exist, right? Right. But the point is, at some point, we need to give proper weight to ancient wisdom that comes from somewhere and then judge it against whether or not it does apply to modern life, but not dismiss it as an absurdity.

Yeah, I completely agree. One of my favorite words about religion and theology is hermeneutics, right? Do you know that word? No. It's just the stuff. of the sacred text and there's so many ways that you can relate to the text, you relate to it literally, metaphorically. I mean, that's the challenge. Do we relate to the Old Testament literally? Well, likely not because of some of the verses there. And that's the battle in Islam, is how do people

relate to the text, those problematic, many problematic verses that are maybe wise for that time because, hey, you know, men would thrash women. And so then they minimize how much you could, you have to beat a wife lightly. Like, you know, things that are not acceptable now in the 21st century, but we're supposedly progressive for then. And so that's like, I love that study. And one day, well, I'm going to come on and we're going to talk about eschatology, my other favorite word, which is end times theory.

Oh, book it. Yeah. Book it now. I love it. I'm going to talk to you about. Muslim eschatology and how that's exactly what the Iranian clerics are chasing. Oh, I'd love to talk about that. Before we move on, I just want to get your top line thoughts.

We don't have to go all the way, but you said you were listening to me in Lawrence and talking about that and you were like, you know, I'm Muslim. And you said you have a lot of thoughts. I want to hear at least some of them. Well, it's just, you know, I really connect to a lot of the conversation that you have. I love listening to your podcast because you're, thinking aloud about these big ideas, about identity and assimilation, and protecting this nation. And, you know, for me, America was the place where I could be most free as a Muslim.

I did come from India, which is a very, you know, aggressive country in terms of how Muslim countries are. Because Muslims are the minority there, though, they're going to be the largest population. in the world one day of Muslims in a nation. But it was, I grew up in Morgantown, West Virginia. I could run with the wind in my hair along those foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. I wore shorts playing volleyball. I got the Presidential Physical Fitness Award not to brag here. I remember it.

Remember that award? I love that award. Multiple times and, you know, that's how I found my stride. And that's why like, I like, I have this, you know, protection, too, of girls in sports, these ideas that align me with, you know, a lot of the struggles that we have today. But that's the challenge. And what hurts me a little bit, honestly, is the fact that we are oftentimes out of fear and just failure within the Muslim community to show leadership of assimilation. You know, we're, unfortunately, our communities are governed by organizations like the Council on American Islamic Relations, which is just proxy for the Muslim Brotherhood and very, you know, supremacist ideas.

They, they create a victim culture among Muslims and they act like they represent Muslims. And so we don't have good representatives in America advocating for, you know, the ideas that you're talking about. They're like demanding, oh, we have a right to not, you know, it might have a right to not, you know, might have. have been something like this where like I have a right not, I'm a taxi driver and I have a right not to accept your dog in my taxi, you know, things like that, which is just, you know, just so ridiculous. And so that's the what the fatwa part of my journey is questioning those edicts and those expectations that we be victims or we not own up to our extremism problem. Like that really bugs me. I think it's a psychological, you know, development in any

human being and any culture to own up to things. And so those are the kind of challenges what we still have because we're still, Muslims as a community, right, started some centuries after Christianity even, and somehow we're still stuck in the dark ages. Well, we'll have those conversations in the future. I would love to do that. Today is part four of your five-part investigative series into the funding. the organization behind a lot of the protests. It's always so, when I say it, I feel like I'm doing the audience of disservice because I say a lot of the protests.

And it's just all of the protests. It's like anti-ice, anti-Iran war, pro-Palestine, whatever the cause, the organized nature and funding nature behind them. And really we're focused on the man, Neversoy-Singham, behind a lot of that. You did a great job yesterday on the Fox News Channel. We played some of the video of Never Roy Singham. And I think in the latest, you're really going more into this wedding, which really becomes a big symbol, a big symbol as he gets married in Jamaica to the co-founder of Code Pink. Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, connects to all of this that we're talking about because Neville Royce Singham represents a man who embraces an ideology that is really not in sync with Western values and definitely America's culture.

He grew up Marxist, self-avowed communist. He was technology businessman, but even his employees said that when he became rich, he was going to spend it now on his activism. It was a part of his identity. And somehow I don't have the ground zero of when he meets Jody Evans, this red-haired, you know, activist. who is quite charming by most people's description of her, but she is one of these revolutionary tourists by the time they meet.

She's created Code Pink and she's traveling the world. She's going to China. She's going to Iran. She's going to Gaza. And so somewhere in these paths, they meet, they fall in love. And I brought today the itinerary from the, wedding. The first page is what to do in Jamaica because that's a part of where Neville Roy Singham grew up. The theme was One Love Union and he goes by Roy. So it's Jody and Roy. Yeah,

that's something a lot of people don't know right now. And it was actually another theme. They had a little fans and they called it revolutionary. love and so that's the theme that weekend that they were there and in the itinerary itinerary will are the players who would build this empire with Neville Roy Singham and Jody Evans people like VJ Prashad who ends up creating that year an organization called Tri-Continental that becomes the think tank another guy named Ben Cohen, who is the Ben of Ben and Jerry's.

Oh. And he's there at the wedding. He becomes, you know, he's become famous now because he's like stormed congressional hearings too for Code Pink. So Code Pink is there through Medea Benjamin, this scrawny lady who is at every protest at yelling and screaming at just about every Senate hearing. And Eve Ensler, I don't know if you remember her,

playwright who wrote Vagina Monologues. So this is their crew. My favorite is Danny Glover, who the actor. Really? And yeah. So he's there. He recites something for their vows.

Danny. Old Dietz from Lonesome Doff. Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon. Did you know he was part of this whole network? I think I did know he was a lefty. I didn't know he was part of this network. He's part of this network. So that means that he is enmeshed in the Marxist communist community here.

And this guy, Vijay Prashad, he has a panel that he calls the future of the left. And it describes him in the itinerary as a Marxist intellectual. So they're not, what I admire actually about them is they don't hide their ideology. the only people who hide their identities are the media that don't cover them accurately, like this last week in Cuba. Right. And one of the things you write about, I think, is pretty fascinating, at least metaphorically, not just metaphorically, is these people that really are advocating, and it's not just advocating,

it's a full-on, I don't know, institutionalized effort to reinstitute Maoism and Marxism. Don't live the life. Like, you put in, I mean, they live. live. I mean, I'm sure Ben Cohen does as well. Ben and Jerry's. I'm sure he's a very wealthy man. And look, never was saying and could argue, look, I made $700 million. I'm given $300 million of it away. But it's not like he's living like the proletariat. Oh, yeah. No, you're right. In today's article, we have photos from the wedding. I just got a, we just got him yesterday. So you guys were talking about your overnight. I haven't slept

a wink. That's the print journalist for you. Will. pulled in all nighter so that I could get every photo into the article. And you can see in the, in the wedding photos. I mean, it's lavish. It's got the beautiful garden. They've got, you know, this catered meals. They're going from one bar to another bar. Which is always the way they live in communism. It's the way that Stalin lived. It's the way that Mao lived. It's the way that Xi lived. It's like you advocate for a certain thing, but it doesn't apply. It's the way Gavin Newsome lives. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, and, and, you know, going back to, idea of ideology and identity, you know, are you, one of the biggest things that I learned as an

immigrant was to learn to live with congruence in my life between my inner values and my external behavior. Because a lot of times when you're an immigrant, you are, you know, raised with the old values from your origin, the country that you come from. And it's, there's always this gap and keep secrets from parents. Like every kid does, of course. course, but you're just navigating values and behavior. And that's the incongruence that they have. And that's what really struck me, honestly, Will, when I started going to the protests at very beginning, I started seeing how mean they were, how hateful they were. And I have lived, you know, in classical liberal values most of my life growing up as a West Virginia Democrat. And

And I was shocked, you know, at the way that they were creating a new hierarchy of human value, judging Zionist, Jewish women as unacceptable entries into the Women's March, you know, just so many ways that we've struggled as a country because of their dynamic. And that's the incongruence that I sensed being amongst them. They weren't nice. That's a really interesting. That's a really interesting observation. The incongruence, because it's instinctually obvious to all of us as well, just in normal behavior.

I'm not saying all lefties are mean. I'm not saying that. Yeah. But there is sometimes among the most passionate preachers of love and compassion, a personal attitude of unhappiness, maybe even meanness. Anger, resentment. And, you know, one thing that I did come to understand from a younger person is that there's, There's this term. Have you ever heard of the word tankie? No. So it's a slang and the left will use this term about folks like this because I don't know what the metaphor is, but a tankie is a

fake leftist who is accepting authoritarian regimes. Thank you. So I'm going to try to like play with that, maybe even in writing, is to maybe even differentiate this network because there are a lot of socialists and communists who do not like them because they do see their hypocrisy. They take over the organizations that they claim that they want to liberate. There's a famous example of Neville Roy Singham going into a union in South Africa and just basically taking it over with his money and and the the workers resented it and and because you know why is because I think in their case and I think this is what's really fun is to then get into the subculture of a subculture is in their case they see their contradiction and they don't like China's autocracy they do not actually

believe that China is their their vision of what a socialist country should be yeah tanky i'm gonna use that i like that tanky tanky leftists and then it's a slur to them and one guy walked away from me because i was like well what do you think about these guys the party for socialism and liberation as tankies because i knew that this uh this guy i was talking to was um from the socialist equality party and there's there's a battle among these socialists uh on on authenticity themselves and he's like oh i don't want to talk about it i don't want to talk bad about them so so definitely hit a nerve and he was trying to protect them and their identity, but they are actually considered to be traitors to the cause also by some of these leftists. Yeah. Well, Osra's got her fourth part of,

the fifth part tomorrow on her deep dive investigation into Never Roycingham in the concentric circles of shell companies and funding that is going into the anti-American protest. That's the only cohesive tie to binds anti-Americanism in service of a communist vision driven from the CCP. Or as she taught us yesterday, the CPC, as they refer to themselves. Check it out at foxnews.com. Really appreciate you being with us all week, Ozra. It's been absolutely wonderful. It's going to be great.

Thank you, Will. All right, there she goes. Ozra, no money. Coming up, comedian Vince August on why he's always so anti-American on Will King Country. All right, Vince August has been pacing. Come on, Vince. Vince has been pacing. I'm running behind.

It was Lawrence. It was Larry. Larry Jones kept me running behind talking about dogs. What's up, Vince? What are you wearing? It's the podcast. I know. I know.

What's going on? Well, I got up this morning. I gave a talk, believe it or not. To who? The Career Center kids here at Fox. I gave advice, man. So I put on my suit. You're giving advice to the Career Center kids at Fox because we're worried about those users.

I don't know. God knows how those kids are going to make it through life. Take a little advice from Will, right? Did you wear your Italy shirt on purpose today? Of course I did. They're playing. What are you kidding of me? Team plays.

I got to wear it. You got to wear the kit. I know you guys know about like maybe 10 different countries in the world, but there's more than that. Well, Italy would be one of the 10 we pretend to know about. Exactly. Right, because you haven't bombed them in 80 years or so. Oh. Italy is playing today in what?

It's the World Cup Qualify. You realize that there's a huge tournament coming to the United States in a couple months. There's a tournament coming. I don't know about a tournament. Yeah. And it's, wow, really, we're going to start with that. The proper English. I'm sorry, I forgot you just came out of a seminar this morning.

They're playing Northern Ireland, and it's a winner. Yeah, because you guys have had trouble qualifying for the World Cup. They have. It's been a shame. For a couple cycles now. Yeah, yeah. Somehow we became better at baseball than soccer. Go figure.

Because the baseball team was full of Americans. You know, you guys need to, no. And you know it's true. You need to get off of that. You need to get off of it. Because, you know what? You can say that they're full of Americans, but the Americans didn't want those players. they have ties to another country.

They didn't make... The Americans didn't want them. They didn't make the American team. They didn't want them. They didn't want them. They took what they thought were the high profile guys, as they always do,

and look at what happened. You build a team of people that want to play for the name on the front, and that's what happens. You learn how to win. Vince August, by the way, comedian here is with us on Will King Country. Vince is a friend of the program,

been here a lot. You know how I feel about this stuff, this dual loyalty stuff. It's not dual to me. It's not duality. What is it? I'm loyal to the country that my father came from and the the heritage that I was raised with. Oh, it's not dual. You're saying it's Italy over the US. I am an Italian American, yes. Vince, what are you doing? Like you are a, you are just trying to piss me off. You are a, what are we doing here? You are a Texan American. Maybe now you're talking my language. Exactly. Um, we did this before and I forgot how mad it makes me. Yeah, it really does upset.

You need to get over it. You're going to root for Italy over America. You are not an assimilated American. That's the problem. No, I'm completely assimilated. Do we have any denaturalization papers? In soccer. Call Tom Homan, please.

In soccer, 100%, I will always root for Italians. I have to tell you, for the World Baseball Classic, I did immediately. I had the jersey before the tournament started because I loved what they put together as a team, and I'm like, this is going to be fun. And everyone thought that the American team was in a win. And I'm like, you know what, this isn't going to be a fun thing if somehow the Italians can manage to pull off a couple wins. and it turned it into this great Cinderella story.

And everyone got caught up in it, except for the people like you that wanted to hate on it and just find a way to tear it down. And the only thing you had is, they were born here. They're Americans. They're born here.

They're Americans. What is wrong with Italy? We're going to talk about a couple of other things here today, but you've got me going here. Yeah. What is wrong with Italy? In terms of what?

I was just there a month ago. Soccer. Oh, no. This is a sport. I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Yeah. This is a sport. Yeah.

If you, and it's, you know, it's a sport that I love, actually. Yeah. And I would say, if you were saying,

who are the best countries in the world at soccer, and you made a top five list, maybe Italy doesn't make top five, but it's right there. It should be. It should be. It's England,

it's Spain, it's Germany, it's Argentina, it's Brazil. And so there's your five, maybe top ones. And then, and then it's like the Netherlands

in Italy, you know, oh, I forgot France. France is definitely a top five. Without doubt. But Italy should be in this conversation. And you are not. No, and I'm going to tell you why.

Because the last time they won a World Cup or actually played in a World Cup was 2006. So that's how many generations, that's two generations of kids that grew up, didn't seeing this team compete on a high level. One. Two, social media and the world changes where young kids, and listen, Italian families are getting smaller. You have one maybe. We're getting into it now. I'm going to be interesting to this. Keep going.

Yeah. One or two kids born. to a family and you know what the priority isn't necessarily sports it's not athletics and what also happened is you have this young italian tennis player a couple of great young italian tennis players that took the world by storm with yannick singer mousselli's playing very good so what happens is they gravitate towards other things and because the team wasn't prominent they gravitated towards other things like what happened here in america look what happened baseball yeah the americans aren't playing baseball anymore the way they used to right they're gravitating to

Towards what? You're seeing more football, more hockey. So I think that's what it is. I got something else, and it's an immigration story. Yeah. So there's a lot going on. So I'm obviously very big on immigration. So let's first talk about what's right about Italian soccer. So, and everybody listening, trust me, if you're not into soccer, this is a fascinating immigration story as well.

Italian soccer has a distinct style. And it's a culture. It's a style of play and a culture. It's countertack. It's defensive. Yeah, Catanacho is the Italian name for it. Italian soccer is revered, by the way. Yes.

In the world of soccer, the way the Italian soccer teams played, the soccer, Syria, the way they play among my soccer friends is like, you should watch that because that's how soccer should look, right? Yeah. Now, Spain's tiki-taka, pass the ball around possession has taken over. More goal scoring, sure. Has taken over. And to their credit, Spain has their own style, which derived from the Netherlands, actually. Which is very successful. It's Johann Krofe.

Yeah. Total football. But what's happened is an immigration story. Countries like, not Spain, but France and Germany, and to a lesser extent, England, have huge refugee populations, huge immigration populations. And if you look at the soccer teams of those teams, like the entirety, I think, almost, of the French soccer team is black. They're Africans, right? Yeah. And they are from- Migrants.

French colonies. Yeah. Well, either them or their parents probably. Yeah. Maybe their grandparents. Like the Italian baseball team in a world baseball class. Same thing. Same thing.

And Germany is a little different in that it's like Turkey and in that it's not Africa. It's more coming from the near Middle East area. So you'll have the Ilk Gondelans and these kind of players. And it's raised the level because they're great soccer players. No question. So it's raised level of France. It's raised the level of Germany. England's its whole own story because everybody treats England like the Dallas Cowboys.

Yeah. Like you should be good. You think you're good but you're actually not as good. And in Italy the population has been decreasing. And in Italy, your native population has been decreasing. and you haven't had the same kind of huge migration. You have had some, but you haven't had the same kind that has happened in France. 100%.

Yeah, that's it. So you've got a declining population with a distinct cultural identity, which is good. Declining birth rate. And not a replacement population. Now, this is a- And the sport isn't, because it hasn't been successful, it's not going to be popular because you're not watching a winning team.

But then the argument would be, and it's not unlike an economic argument when it comes to, like, companies and like, we need to bring the best to the best of America. to America to be, you know, CEOs from India or wherever they are. Right. Right. Great. You are helping the economy. Right.

Great. You are helping the French soccer team. But at some point, you are also losing what it means to be an Italian soccer player, the Italian style, the Italian cohesive style of play. So you're retaining that. You're going down. You're not getting better. It's a yen and yang, man.

This is, I think it's like in a microcosm, it is the great immigration story. But it's weird even having gone to Italy just recently and seeing the passion in the fan isn't also what it used to be. Really? Yeah, which is kind of weird because here I am, I live for these games and these days. You know, today is all about this game and what's going to happen in the outcome of this day from the moment I wake up. I mean, you guys, historically, it's wild that you have to beat Northern Ireland. Like, come on. It's Italy.

Of course you're going to be Northern Ireland. And I don't feel that excited. as much, even with my relatives in Italy that I talk to about it, they're like, hey, look, they win, they win if they don't, you know, whatever, we'll be fine. Really? That's sad. Yeah. So you've seen, you know, and again, it's anecdotal to my family and the people I've seen.

You know, I'm not there 24-7 living in the country to tell you that it's like that for everything. One thing I have seen is a shift since Georgia Maloney has taken over as prime minister. you're seeing a lot more nationalistic pride. That's good. So she has, oh yeah, she has definitely moved the needle where there's been a lot more of that nationalism coming back where people, yeah, let's... Which is happening across Europe to some extent.

In all the nations. Today, I believe, I was just seeing this before I came on, Parliament of the EU, they're all voting to significantly reduce migration and deportation. But it's not even that. One of the things that you wanted to do, like when you go into a restaurant, you know, menus,

everything is translated into English. And she's like, hey, listen, you know what? No, this is our food. This is our culture. The menus are going to be in Italian. We're going to have everything go back to being in Italian because that's what our national language is. Can you imagine that in America, that kind of conversation?

Right. And there, the Italians are like, yeah, why are we trying to assimilate to a culture in society that's not ours? Let's go back to our roots. Right. So they are embracing it more. Where are you from in Italy? Your family.

My family, my parents migrated from Palermo system. Okay. Yeah. The one other thing I like to wind up the soccer conversation about Italian soccer is that, and this is true for every league, but I feel like it's been watered down and been lost, but the least so in Italian soccer is you have political affiliations and you have all these like meanings of teams. Like if you're a fan of this team, it kind of means this about you. You know what I mean? Yeah. And see if I can remember. Is it Lazio? Lazzio. Lazzio is the fascist party of Italy's soccer team? Well, I mean, like,

Is that wrong? That's what the ties were to. Historically. Yeah, historically. So, yeah, so if you grew up and you were a fan of Lazio, it definitely tied you to a political leading. And a political leading... They're in Rome, right?

Is Lazio in Rome? Yeah, they're in the outskirts of Rome. And it most certainly was more along that Mussolini kind of blackhand, very conservative, old regime. It's since changed. But, yeah, at one time, that's exactly what it was. Is that the only one? Like, if you were a fan of Rome?

They were probably the most prominent one that you could tie to. Like Inter Milan and A.C. Milan. No, no. That was just you have a huge city like New York. You have the Mets and the Yankees and you had to divide up the city. You know, you have that in Torino too. You have Uvei. You have Torino.

Yeah. Okay. So I don't know if you heard my conversation with Osir Namani, but she said something I thought, I'm going to ask Vince about this. So she was talking about incongruence and the incongruence of some of the people on the far left in terms of the way they project

in the way they behave, you know, that there's an incongruence in the meanness versus the preaching of compassion and this. It just occurred to me as listening to her. I actually think this is one of the most attractive things about Donald Trump to people. Total congruence. Like, yeah, I'm rich, I'm wealthy, I'm successful. Look at the gold walls. Bragging and success like that historically would have been frowned upon, right? You would have been incongruently trying to feign humility, trying to feign humbleness. And he didn't, and I think that tied to his belief, the sense of authenticity about him,

is that he is so congruent. Whether it's attractive or not, it's what he is. So whether you like it or not, I don't think it's a surprise anymore. So like, you know, when someone passes away that you look and you're like, I mean, come on, man. Really, you're saying you're glad that the guy's dead. You're not Mueller.

Right. And it's one of those things that no one's surprised by it anymore because, you know what, you're going to get what you get with them. Nothing of what he says is going to surprise you or throw you. Whereas with other politicians, you're not sure of whether or not they have the courage of their convictions and they mean what they're saying. Or they're just, it's political.

And this is what the side I'm on. So this is what I'm going to say. Whereas with Donald Trump, no, he's going to say what he says. And you may not like it. You know, listen, you can say it's BS, it's this, it's that, it's rude. But that's what he's thinking. Yeah. Like you know you're getting what he's thinking, which maybe we shouldn't get all the time. But you're not questioning whether or not he believes it.

All right, Vince August is a comedian. He's former judge as well. Comedian and judge. You can follow him on X and YouTube at Vince August 21. We want to talk about comedy for a minute. I don't know if you were able to hear this. You probably already seen it. Did you see this Jimmy Kimmel bit last night about Mark Wen-Mullen, the new secretary of DHS? No, I don't watch it. That's enough, man. You haven't seen this? No, no. Go ahead. I want you to play it. I think I can turn it up super loud right here for him to hear it. Yeah. This is Jimmy Kimmel on on Mark Wayne Mullen. Okay. He is the now former senator

of Oklahoma. Before he was elected to the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullen was a low-level MMA fighter and a plumber. That's right. We have a plumber protecting us from terrorism now. I work for Super Mario. Why not Mark Wayne? But honestly. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. Get ahead. For For a joke purpose, it's a joke. I don't care. I don't critique comedy that way. You know, people are going to laugh at it. They're not going to laugh at it.

The problem with Kimmel right now and the problem with people like Colbert, when they tell these jokes, is, is it a joke? Right. I think that's the problem. You know, it used to be where all of that stuff is strict satire. Look, it's a joke. You either like it. You don't.

You don't laugh. You move on. Time out. Yeah. First of all, I didn't like it because it is so elitist. It is so elitist. Like, you're a plumber. First of all, Mark Wayne Mullen dropped out of college when his dad died, who had a small plumbing business at HVAC company.

He took over it, grew it into, I think, several hundred employees, several million dollar, you know, company. So, okay, he's not just a plumber, but even if you were a plumber, this is just a plumber. that's what struck me is the leadism. But you're actually, you can address that, but you're hitting on something I think it's even better. It's like, that's not meant to be a joke. That's the thing. You know, so listen, and we've heard this with AOC. She's just a bartender from the other side.

And I don't get caught up in that because, you know, if we're going to start dissecting where people came from and it turns into that shut up and dribble thing. And I'm like, no, listen, everyone should have their say and just know when you have your say, you're going to be put on the side or whatever. The problem with the talk show is different. So when someone on this channel says something about AOC being a bartender, whatever, all right, that's a news commentary piece. These shows were historically comedy shows. They're historically entertainment.

And we know it shifted since then. We know that his perspective isn't always about making the joke, which is why maybe his show was preempted when it was. because you know what, no one is thinking of it as a joke anymore. Yeah. So that's, I think, the problem that he's run himself into is when you become this, quote, unquote, activist. And all you talk about is this, that's not a style of comedy anymore. That's just your thoughts. So, okay, I'm going to play one more.

Dan, did that sound work okay when we play that? Okay, let's play Vince Vaughn because he's kind of saying, Vince Vaughn is on Theo Vaughn's podcast. And Theo Vaughn, V-O-N, Vince Vaughn, V-A-U-G, H-N. I don't know why I felt any of spell those two last names. It sound the same. Vince Vaughn and Theo Vaughn are talking about exactly what you're describing. Listen. But yeah, because people want authenticity.

Yeah. And I think that the talk shows, to a large part, became really agenda-based. Yeah. They were going to evangelical people to what they thought. You know what I mean? And so people just rejected it because it didn't feel authentic. It felt like they had an agenda. It stopped being funny, and it started feeling like I was in a class I didn't want to take.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what you're saying. Right. Well, the other thing about comedy is this. It shouldn't, and listen, everyone has their own style, and I'm not here to critique style. But comedy is just finding the funny. It's not, I'm going to find the funny only here. Okay.

Like, you should find humor in everything. And, you know, part of my act is I'm, making fun of everybody. You know, I'm going to make fun of Trump. I'm going to make fun of Biden. Because to me, comedy is about making fun of all things that you see, you find something, I'm going to make a joke about it. I think when you refuse to make jokes about a topic and you're saying, no, I'm not going to make fun of this. And that this is agenda driven. I think that's when we can all admit it's not comedy anymore. And it feels like it's, the problem is order of operation. It feels like the joke writers, whether or not Kimmel wrote that himself, probably not, right, went in.

And the first order of operation was make fun of Mark Wayne Mullen. Right. And the second order was how, what's funny, right? Not, oh, it's funny. Check this out. And this happens to be who it's about. Again, it's turn on, you know, whatever news source you want, turn on X. All right, guys, we need jokes today.

What's trending? Wow, man, we have this story about these seven dogs. I found their way home in China, which, you know, is really hard because when dogs are in the street, that's food too. So we should do a joke about that. You know, you could do something like that. Yeah. Or, you know, you could do a joke.

Hey, look, you know, they're shutting down the straight of Hermuz, Hermuth. And you know what's funny about it? It's not actually straight. It's a curve. But, and I ran everything straight because nothing's gay. I like that one. So, you know, you could do joke. So those are, you know, look, find jokes and everything going on as opposed to, yeah, no, no, what do we have

going on on the right. Yeah. I just, I just want to target that. Yeah. So again, that's the different approach. My approach is I'm just going to find everything. And this is trending. Let me find a humor in it. And also my brain isn't wired to think everything should be a political joke. It's just fine. The funny. So even like my joke about the straight of her move, I'm, I didn't mention Iran. I didn't mention U.S. I didn't mention a war. It's about just the culture. And look, no, man. Yeah, we're going on it straight, even if it looks crooked. Because because, yeah, we don't do gay here. Yeah.

You know, so, again, it's approach. I'm not saying mine is the right way, every which way is their own way of doing comedy, but I think the curtain's been pulled back and we all know. We all know what it is. Yeah, and it's so fascinating in that market forces seem to have no impact,

meaning, well, Gutfeld's show is beating them. Right. But even Greg, look, what is Greg gonna target? He's going to target the left. He's going to target the left, but I'm also watching Fox News. Yeah. I'm expecting it. Yeah.

You know, because that's what this is. Greg's on cable. When I watched the late show on, you know, a national network, I don't necessarily think or believe I should be watching something that's targeted. Does that make sense? Well, Greg is cable. What I mean by that is by no metrics you cable really ever beat broadcast. It's like broadcast has bigger reach. You should get more people.

Greg is beating them. That's quite a thing to be doing. It's quite a thing to get more on cable than you do on broadcast. So if you're an executive or somebody interested in business and success, you'd look at that and go, oh my gosh, take a look at this. Second, they're all, to the extent, because even I believe Fallon has done it at this point decided to go in the same direction you're describing. They're all fighting over one audience.

And I guess pretending that that audience is mainstream, which it has been historic. I guess you would say entertainment mainstream has been at least a little bit on the left historically. I just, I think it's fascinating that no one even allows market forces to correct this thing. Well, listen, the one thing that we don't know is what is happening in the room that Fallon is sitting in in terms of who's making the decision. Because Jimmy is one of those guys that I look, and I'm talking about Fallon, it's so, outside of his wheelhouse, you know, that it doesn't seem like that's even something he would want to do. It doesn't. You're right. And the difference between Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert, remember. Those two want to. Well, it's not only that. Remember, it's the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.

It's not his show. The Tonight Show's run from what I understand by Lorne as part of that network. He's just a host sitting in the chair. Whereas Kimmel and Colbert, it's. It's their show. So I'm curious to find out and people can check if that's actually accurate. That's my understanding of it. I don't know that that's Jimmy Fallon's first choice. So who's that coming from? Where's that coming from?

Is it coming from an executive? If it's coming from the writer's room or is it Jimmy Fallon's first choice? Well, Colbert's done, right? Yeah. And when Colbert, Dan, isn't that right? In May. Yeah. In May.

Yeah. And there will be no late show after him. He didn't start the late show. No. But Letterman did. did they have one? So that was, it was Letterman's, yeah, a late show with Letterman.

But it started with Letterman. Yeah, started with Letterman. They didn't have a late show. I don't believe so. Craig Ferguson? Yeah, it was Ferguson. It was, yeah, it was a different show. Yeah, Ferguson was the one after.

But yeah, they basically, my point is they're canceling the show, not just Colbert, right? They're going to do something different, whatever it may be. Whatever it is, who knows. And ABC definitely did not have one. Like, they, Kimmel is the guy.

They created that for Kimmel. It was Carson, and then it was Merv Griffin. Well, that's, the institution NBC. Right. And then it became not being Jimmy's show, he's the host of a long-running franchise. Right. And then after Carson Letterman showed up, so then it became that. And then, you know, when all of that split happened with Leno, that's when all of these branches kind of came to fruition. Yeah. Right. My point in exploring that is you're right. Like after Colbert and Kimmel, those franchises may not exist. No, and it's also where Jimmy Fallon is a caretaker of a longer franchise.

Yeah, but it's also a genre that's barely surviving. You know what I'm saying? These are the last blockbuster video places. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. So it's also the genre. It's also what's happening in the industry. So, yeah, they're holding on in a way that the industry is moving in a different

direction because of podcasting, because of YouTube, because of all of these other outlets. So, you know, it's kind of like, well, that's the competition is playing on a different field in a different stadium. So, you know, what are you going to do? where you're going to just continue to feed this animal where the audience is literally dying, you know, they're aging out. Is podcasting it?

That's, is that the... Oh, yeah, yeah. This is it right here, what we're doing right now. Well, you could also say stand-up. It's never... Don't you think stand-up, right? Stand-up comedy went through a down phase, I think. Isn't that fair?

Because of Comedy Central. It made it accessible where you didn't have to go to a comedy club to see it. Okay. Yeah, so I think people could see comedy at home. so that's the first thing that hurt the comedy clubs. But even the special, even the stand-up special, went through a phase where it's like between maybe Eddie Murphy or Chris Rock, it went down.

Yeah, there was too many. And then it came back. Yeah, everybody got specials, everybody was doing specials. Then everyone moved away from specials. So then people had to go back to clubs. And then when people went back to clubs, they started finding comics again. And then what happened was even stand-up comedy change because now what comics are putting up online to protect their material is I'm going to just do improv, put up my improv bits, because no one's

putting up material anymore other than releasing specials. And it's, here's my time capsule, here's my material, let me put it out because I know what's going to happen. The second I do, there's people at home, they're going to turn these clips into their little viral memes, and they're going to steal them and take them and morph them with videos and AI and everything else. So, you know, comics are protecting material more in a different way, and a lot of people are just putting up improv stuff. because it's like, what are you going to do with this? So besides you being anti-American,

what are the other big things we disagree on? It's immigration. That's where you know I've had a debate or two, right? You want to flood the country with other anti-Americans? I want to bring as many Italians to America. It's not that many. I want to make America Italian again. Okay.

I want the godfather to be shown in every school throughout the country. What's the best Italian movie? See, I don't consider it. a godfather an Italian movie. There's cinema parody, so there's actually Italian movies. No, I don't do that because nobody know what we're talking about. No one's to know what I'm talking about. But I mean, listen, The Godfather, Godfather two are classics. I heard there was a Godfather

Bruns tale. I heard there was a Godfather three, but hopefully we taped over it because it was that bad. I saw it. Yeah. What's the best mafia movie? Oh, the Godfather. Okay, besides the Godfather. See, I don't find the Goodfellas.

No, that was American. See, but those were the American mob families. Yes. I think the Godfather, the thing that separates the Godfather from those is the Godfather was about family. And it was how you came into the family and how that, when you were an organized crime, how you kind of grew into it, where you were part of it or you weren't. Because having... You know, I saw an interview with Robert Duval after he died. I went down my Robert Devald, um, Rabin-home. You saw the interview after he died, not, you interviewed him because that would be weird. That'd be a Ouija board kind of situation. No, well,

the Ouija board that is the algorithm was feeding me all the Robert Duvall stuff. And he was criticizing Marlon Brando in Godfather. Are you seen that? Yeah. Well, he didn't memorize his lines. He read everything. Not just that. I've seen that stuff.

Yeah. That he totally mailed it in or whatever. Yeah. And is that the movie where he came in? No, no. It's apocalypse now where he came in super fat. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, that he thought that the choices that Marlon made to play Vito Corleone were not the right choices.

He said, the truth is, and this is the truth, anybody who, he said he played him like he was the CEO of Ford or General Motors or anything like that. And there's an appeal to doing that to the audience, but the truth, it isn't the truth. No. The truth is anybody that rose up to that level and was in the mafia like that was a bloodthirsty criminal. There was a ruthlessness. A ruthlessness that wasn't portrayed with Vito Corleone. Right. It made him too angelic. Right. Well, it, again, it made him a dad. I made him a dad. So it was a family movie

that involved organized crime. So that's why that movie is a standalone, where the other movies were just crime movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Goodfellas is a crime movie. Yeah.

All those other movies are crime movies. Yeah. All right, but my point in asking what else we disagree on is we've got to get you to come on the TV show. Disagree with me here and there. Oh, listen, I'm all about disagreements. Who the hell wants to get along in this country?

Come on, let's divide us further. Do you kidding? Into two sides. We're starting to get a third point. party. I want a fourth party. I want all kinds of parties. You want Parliament? You want Italy. Here we go again. He wants Italy. Again, make America Italian again.

And we go, Vince August. Check him out. Vince August, 21, right? That's what it is. Vic? Yeah. Why 21? Why 21? Is that some Italian soccer player? No, it was the day I started comedy and it was the baseball player, my favorite baseball player's number, Roberto Clemente, grown up as a kid. Oh, here we go. Yeah, I read his stories and

became 21. I always wore 21. And then it seemed like everyone that was great, like Dion Sanders, everybody wore 21. I was going to say, when you say 21, my age, who do you think of, Dan? You're young. When you use the number 21, who is that? I can't even think of one right now. Oh, no, I got to turn you up.

What did you say? Can't even think of one right now. You can't think of a 21? 21's Deion. He's Deion. Yeah, it's Deion. Yeah. That's who I think of, for sure.

Who's 22? That's a good one. This is a good game. I like this game. There's different guys in different sports. For me, again, staying Italian, Dino Chichorelli from the Washington Capitol. Oh my gosh.

I'm always going to throw out a Italian. It's always going to be an Italian. Emmett Smith, you and your cowboys. What do you wear? So when Italy plays, I wear a soccer jersey. So when the Cowboys play, like, do you put on a dress to kind of mimic what it's like being a Cowboys fan? It's good.

It's good. It's good. I'm too old for jerseys. We've had this debate. At some point... You don't wear jerseys? But you're in northeasterner. I do forgive you.

Yeah, I actually support the team. I think where I come from, at a certain age, you have to put the jersey aside. Oh, God, you're such a terrible sports fan. I know. It's unbelievable. But yet you wear that flannel, toy story costume every day when you do the podcast.

Toy story. You're dressed like Woody every day. All right, there we go. Vince August. Thanks for being with us today. Man, it's good to see. Love being here, Will. All right, that's going to do it for us today here on Will King Country.

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