Will Cain Country - Lt. Col. Scott Mann: How To Get Stuff Done (Despite Your Circumstances)

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

Story #1: Young men, old men, white men, black men. It appears that Vice President Kamala Harris has a serious problem with men.  It was on full display during college football weekend. Story #2: Israel is preparing to invade Lebanon, as the decapitation of Hezbollah continues, and flooding in the Southeast of America is of biblical proportions. To discuss this, and what we can actually do about it, Will sits down with Lt. Col. Scott Mann (Retired), the Author of ‘Nobody Is Coming To Save You.' Story #3: The crew debates whether or not Florida State has been treated fairly-- and what that debate can teach you about America and life. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for $5.5 plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. One, young men, old men, white men, black men. Kamala Harris and Tim Walts have a problem with men. And as you'll be able to hear from the stadiums in Michigan and Alabama, men love Donald Trump. Two, Israel looks to be preparing an invasion of Lebanon.

The decapitation of Hezbollah continues as flooding in southeastern America is of biblical proportions. to 100 dead. What can we do? What we once did together in Maui? What can we do in North Carolina? A conversation with the author of a new book, Nobody is Coming to Save You, a Green Beret's Guide to to Getting Big Stuff Done, Lieutenant Colonel Scott Mann. And three, we have it out on the Wheel Cane Show on how we can keep America from becoming Florida State. and will cane show streaming live at foxnews.com on the fox news youtube channel the fox news facebook page always on demand by subscribing on youtube however over to the will cane show on facebook and you can join us every monday through thursday at 12 o'clock eastern time just hit subscribe

jump into the comment section become a member of the willisha if you're listening on terrestrial radio just hit subscribe on apple or spotify and listen to the will cane show on your own schedule we're back we're back together all four of us here on the will cane show the boys in new york in florida and texas we got tinfoil pat we got young establishment james and back from his honeymoon we got two a day's day yeah welcome back dan thanks man i missed you guys yeah it was a while

yeah married guy now well how is it it was good um married life's not that much different. I've got to be honest with you. The dating life. You know, you're already living together, so it's kind of, it's kind of the same. A full week and a half in and a couple of days off of a honeymoon? Yeah. Do you ever watch Love is Blind? Yeah, I do actually. You might, I'm not so sure about the accuracy of your assessment. It's not so different from dating life. Yeah. I mean, we're going to, let's get beyond the honeymoon. Let's get beyond the margaritas at

noon and see and see about married life that's a good point there's a lot of a lot of frozen drinks down there so you're right you know back to back to real world i have a few takeaways if you want to hear them i want to hear your top three takeaways from a week of marriage and honeymoon well first one with the wedding the planning does pay off but the planning is way more stressful than the actual day of the wedding that was something i absolutely learned i think as any good planner would probably recognize. In fact, we've got a green beret, former green beret. Special Force is coming to join us here today. I'm going to

suspect that if you do all of your stress in the planning, you don't have to stress in the execution. And then you can just enjoy your wedding. Yeah, it was great. The second takeaway, it was great advice not to drink too much before the ceremony. That was such a plus.

I don't know who told you that, but yeah. Yeah, I mean, you probably had what? Did you have a Do you have a beer sort of in the getting dressed phase with the boys? But yeah, you don't want to be sloshing up to the altar. I've been to weddings that has happened quite often. So I didn't want to be that guy. I know, it's terrible.

I didn't want to be that guy, and that was good. One takeaway from vacation, it's good to make vacation friends. Shout out Adam and Alley. And we met a lot of Texas people down there, too, who were fans of Will Kane and the Fox News. That's wonderful. You made vacation friends. I agree. Interesting. Vacation friends. Do you think you'll keep up with Adam and Allie? I think so. They live in the U.K., and they invited us to their place where they live right outside of London. So I'd love to go there. So who knows if that'll keep up? I would love to do that. But, you know, vacation friends are great. How did that happen at the bar? Yeah, we had a swim-up bar. It's just like, hey, we're all drinking at, you know, 11 a.m., let's do it together and make friends.

vacation friends are those real friends would you hang on to vacation friends I have vacation friends I've had vacation friends my whole life but the key to that was every year in the same spot I saw those same vacation friends

growing up with them now I know they're kids but unless you and Adam and Allie are all going to end up back in Mexico every year at the same time I predict this friendship has a one year over under. No. We'll make a bet. And that one year is only predicated on you

going to the UK before that year elapses. That's true. We would have to do it within the year. You're right. But I think we will. We're coming to see you. You will. All right. Are they watching? That'll be great. Maybe they'll take you to an Aston Villa game. Yes. They said... That's his dance

new team. I did say to Adam, he's not a... He's like, you go to Birmingham once and you're not going to be an Aston Villa fan again. Well, you start watching peeky blinders. That's how you can virtually travel to Birmingham, UK. We're glad to have you back. Justin did a good job. He taught us about DJing.

We got to get two days to take his personality test. We all did that last week. I had my kids take it, by the way. Had my kids and my wife take the Briggs. This is what I really quick, my quick takeaway on assigning people to the personality quiz. I don't know if it's kids or not, or maybe it's my control freak. personality. I didn't like their results, so I said, let me do it for you. I'm going to, I'm going to answer the questions for you. And I think that what I got back for my boys was more,

was more accurate than their self-assessment. So I actually don't know if that's a bigger reflection on me or them, but we got to get, we got to get Dan's results on the Meyer Briggs, 16 personalities test. We'll, we'll do that later this week here on the Wilcane show. But men, Kamala Harris and Tim Walts have trouble with men. Donald Trump seems to have no trouble, courting the college football fans from Michigan to Alabama. Let's get into it with story number one. Donald Trump attended Alabama, Georgia on Saturday night. Instant classic of a game, what looked like a blowout, ended up with a Georgia lead with two minutes left to go

the game, but Alabama once again rallied and scored a game-winning touchdown in front of the former president of the United States. He was accompanied by Kid Rock, John Daley, Senators Katie Britt, Steve Danes, Tommy Tuberville. It was a very, very friendly environment for Donald Trump. Listen to the crowd of some 100,000 in Alabama for Donald. Trump. They saw him on the jumbo-tron. He was behind protective glass for what it's worth and a luxury box and went all the way to the ceiling, the protective glass. The crowd chanted USA, USA. It's a similar reception he's gotten to other college football environments all across the country. You'll probably rank college football up there with NASCAR and perhaps

rodeo is the friendliest sports environments for Donald Trump. But this is a crowd, this is a sport that was proclaimed, reclaimed by Tim Walts. He said that famously. Kamala Harris's vice presidential candidate said, you know what else I'm doing? I'm taking football back. That's not what it sounded like when Tim Walts attended Minnesota versus Michigan in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The crowd reportedly yelled Tampon Tim. They were upset that his motorcade caused traffic to back up outside of the big house.

Again, this is the man who proclaimed to reclaim football. That isn't seemed to be what is playing out in reality. Polling shows that young men are trending increasingly and more extremely conservative, more religious. and for 18 to 24-year-old Gen Z, even more so to the right than millennials, than men 24 to 29, it's an interesting move because it doesn't just encompass white men. And for that matter, it doesn't just even encompass young men. It's all across the demographic spectrum. It's black men.

I want you to take a look at something that I came across just this morning. there's a podcast called the All the Smoke Podcast. It's hosted by a couple of former colleagues of mine at ESPN, Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes, both formerly of the Golden State Warriors and numerous other teams. But Vice President Kamala Harris, having not done many media appearances, decided all the smoke podcast was someplace she would have a sit-down. Now, it's going to be friendly.

These guys are on the left. and i haven't listened to the to the episode i've only seen a couple of clips and they talk about in the clip the raiders the a's the warriors all leaving oakland but what i found fascinating was i just dropped into the comment section here of all the smoke podcast on instagram and i was fascinated by the comments i mean the comments read as follows who else is voting trump wonder how much they sold out for uh anything on jailing black men for weed you help destroy the city directed at kamla harris trump 2024 trump 2024 another one no on kamala y'all talking some bs this clip got to be bait for people to watch the episode another one anything on people she locked up or all or all just prisoners of the

moment. Just a fascinating reception for Kamala Harris, at least in the comment section of the All the Smoke podcast. Now, I will grant you, what are comments on the internet? Are they representative of something greater? I'm doubtful. I'm always skeptical of the algorithm. Is it feeding me something? Maybe it, you know, Will and will's on the right, you know, so we're going to prioritize Trump comments. I don't know. But there's a reason Kamala Harris went on this podcast. I mean, you'd have to assume, first of all, obviously the audience over indexes male. It's a sports and culture, black culture podcast. The indexes, I would assume, based upon Kamala Harris's choice and the topics that these guys talk about, I mean, I like the topics,

but a lot of black men. And so what you're seeing in the comments here is an audience that is historically friendly to Democrats, at least commenting some real antagonism. to Kamala Harris. Reflecting this party is in trouble when it comes to men. Now, some of that Donald Trump talked about at the game on Saturday night. He talked to Clay Travis about new numbers that are out by Fox News. I want you, this was just released by ICE. Kamala Harris took a trip to the border on Friday and $60,000 necklace, visited a

2011 section of the border wall built by Obama was there for 20 something minutes but at the same time then ICE released the following numbers non-detained non-citizen convicted criminals so 13,000 illegal immigrants who have been convicted of homicide that's in their home country in the United States almost 16,000 convicted of sexual assault rape in their home countries now in United States. In total, 425,000 illegal criminals in the United States. That's obviously beyond the crime of illegal immigration. Other crimes they have committed. Now, DHS, which is a political body, run by Alejandro Mayorkas, has come out and said those numbers are not exclusive to the last three and a half years. They're an accumulation over a long period of time. Maybe. How do we know?

ICE didn't break it out. DHS hasn't broken it out. But we've seen the numbers on illegal crossings over the last three and a half years. And as a general proposition, they've quadrupled. They have quadrupled, you know, two million encounters in Trump, eight million during Biden Harris. So am I to assume this is some great exception that the number of criminals in this country? Thirteen thousand murderers? And by the way, this doesn't include the countries that don't tell us if they're criminals. These are only the countries that tell us. And this also doesn't include the unknown godway. It's like, this is the ones we can quantify. We've encountered. Who knows how many didn't even interact, haven't interacted at all, with Border Patrol.

So Trump pointed this out as one of the biggest issues in the election, and we can wonder aloud why it is they're having so much trouble with men, but this would be one of the substantive issues. The others would be masculinity. I mean, generally there's been antagonism towards the concept of masculinity. We've been introduced to the idea of toxic masculinity. We've seen football itself kind of dismissed as, you know, like a vice, like smoking football. It's bad for all of us as society. And then you got Donald Trump. And you got Donald Trump making the argument to Clay Travis of Outkick during halftime that we need to make America great again, but we also need to make kickoffs great again. Listen to this.

I don't want to get me to go back. I don't want to get involved. But it looks so bad, and I noticed that it's going to go, and they shouldn't do it. And I think the other one should go back. I mean, maybe it's a little more day. I doubt it's just a good thing. All right. I don't know if you had trouble with that audio.

I didn't come across well to me there. That's the one Clay posted, yeah. I don't know if they had their mic on for that one, that part. He said, I don't know what's going on with the kickoffs in the NFL. They're bad. And it is so confusing watching NFL kickoffs. Like, I mean, I get it. You can't move until the kickoff is received.

And what's the strategy that the kicker should put it on like the one? Because if it goes in the end zone, it comes out to the 30 now or 35. I don't even know what we're doing in kickoffs. And Donald Trump doesn't either. Again, like illustrating a little bit of an every man take that is connecting with men. Tomler Harris and Tim Walts, this is trouble.

This is trouble. From all the smoke to the stats to college football, this is trouble. You have to have at least some traction with men. Speaking of men,

purpose, how do we not just rail on the internet, how do we not just perform, how do we actually be people of consequence who make our world a better place? Well, the world is providing us with the opportunity, with flooding, catastrophic biblical flooding in North Carolina,

in South Carolina, in eastern Tennessee, and the doorstep of another war, possibly a conflict that spirals into regional war in the Middle East, which of course involve the United States. How do you find your place? How do you find your purpose? Not just as a man, but as a person. We're going to discuss that with the author of a new book. Nobody is coming to save you, a Green Beret's guide to getting big stuff done. Lieutenant Colonel Scott Mann next on the Will Cain Show. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope

and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. Flooding in the United States, war in the Middle East, and a life of purpose for you because nobody is coming to save you. That's coming up on the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Just hit subscribe at Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. Joining me now is the author of that new book. Nobody is coming to save you.

A Greenberg's guide to getting big stuff done, Lieutenant Colonel Scott, man. What's up, Scott? Hey, Will. You can't say it. You can't say what it is? You can't say what the big stuff? I can say it. It's the internet.

A green beret's guide to getting big shit done. I can say it. I don't, you know, it's like I don't want to be gratuitous. No, I know. I don't want to be a prude. Yeah, I went back and forth on it, man. I went back and forth on it, but you know what? I had so many, so many NCOs and special forces over the year that would say it that way.

You know, whenever we would go into places, we knew that we, just stuff didn't really encapsulate the strategic nature of what had it to get done in these rough places. you know and so uh i thought well let's just make it the title to done uh all right i want to start here a little bit of background so i have known scott scott's been a friend of this show and fox and franz he's been on a lot uh and i think for anybody who's a dedicated viewer listener to the will cane show um has come across scott before not just because you've been a guest but a little over a year ago now after and i'm wearing this shirt there's no coincidence today i'm I'm wearing a Lahaina Strong shirt.

A little bit over a year ago. First, I got to know, Scott, I would say largely through Pineapple Express. Okay, you came on Fox and Friends. You would talk about Pineapple Express, the operation that you and many vets put together, a lot of green berets, but others as well, to get Americans out of Afghanistan in the face of the failure of the American government with that redraw. And then when Lahaina burned, you and I connected, and I don't know. it was just moved to purpose and we got to do something we got to do something and you took a as you

is part of your character you took a leadership position you put a group together i contributed to that group and we managed to pull off some pretty incredible feats and in getting a 747 full of over a million dollars of goods and and other stuff delivered to to maui so you and i not only have become friends through that process but i think in a lot of ways we have me to a smaller degree obviously you with your life now, you know, experienced, nobody's coming to save you, a green braze guide to getting shit done. And I want to take that backstory, Scott. And I actually want to apply it to what's happening right now in America with the floods. I mean, it's horrible. What's going on in North Carolina, South Carolina, you know, Tennessee. It's really bad. I know it touches you

personally. It does. And I appreciate you having me on, Will. And you're absolutely right, man. I mean, the way that we connected through, you know, crisis has really stuck with me. And, you know, most of my relationships these days are people that I've met in the struggle in the crisis. And what we did with pineapple is absolutely what we put in place to do in Lahaina. And I have to say, there were a range of people that jumped into the fray. That's what made it so cool and never ceases to amaze me, Will, is the number of Americans, but the diversity of Americans from where they come from. And, you know, the one thing about West Maui and the abandonment of our allies, nobody was talking about, nobody was talking about politics. Everybody was myopically focused on the purpose at hand because nobody was coming.

And, yeah, I think what's happening right now with Hurricane Helene, whether that's in Florida or whether that's in Asheville, North Carolina, where all my folks are from, it is catastrophic, man. I tell you, I think what's going on in the Asheville area right now in Western North Carolina is apocalyptic. I think what's going to come out of there, I don't know that we're even ready for what's about to come out of there in terms of the scale and scope of the devastation. And it's because there's no commo in there, but it's not good, man. And we're going to need some kind of network-centric approach there, I believe, as well, and probably in other events as they follow. Yeah, the latest I saw, Scott, is 100 dead, perhaps.

And I'm, you know, I learned in Maui, you know, you think that's usually a conservative figure that gets worse, you've got to be careful because sometimes also there is, when there's guest work, people fill in the gap. So who knows? Who knows? Um, but I've seen the images. Yeah. Um, I mean, I 40s down. Yeah. That's a big thoroughfare. And that these towns in Western North Carolina are, are, are islands now. I mean, they're totally disconnected. Yeah. In so many ways, not just physically, but as you pointed out, like no service, no power, no nothing. No. And I was talking to one of my buddies, uh, who's a former case officer with the agency, name's Matt, and his mother was stranded in there, you know, and he hadn't heard from her.

You hadn't heard anything from her. So, you know, and they said, well, all the roads are down, you can't get in. So Matt being Matt, he, you know, he got an old school map, got his ham radio, got in his Jeep, and he'd external gas tanks, and he picked his way through the Appalachian Mountains, and he got his mom, and he got her out of there. But what he saw in the way and what he talked to me about, Will, and what I'm hearing from others is absolute devastation. But I think the good news in all of that, if there is any, is the way that people are leveraging relationships and human connection to get through it. And I think that's what happened with Lahaina. I think it's what happened with pineapple.

And frankly, I think it's the last best shot we got in this country, man. I think it's the last best shot we have at reclaiming our country, reclaiming our collective agency and who we are as Americans. It is this kind of bottom-up grassroots leadership. Because if we're waiting for institutional leaders to handle it, we're diluted. yeah you've talked a lot about that so yesterday i was kind of scrolling through my my feed too much as we all do and i saw but i saw these helicopters and they and i tweeted this out but like um i saw these helicopters taken off you know over there somewhere i guess it's in carolina could been south carolina Tennessee i don't know and it's just sort of like a civilian air force

you know taken off trying to get supplies in back and forth um and i just i'll never forget once I got over to Maui, the things that neighbors did for one another. Like you had a Navy, basically shipping supplies from one island to another. I met two Mormon girls, and people always get on me, and they're right to do that. I mean, these, I mean, they're in their 20s, but they were young women who just started this logistical airlift of bringing stuff from one side of the island to the other into this little airport. And I just, the biggest takeaway, you can focus, and it deserves attention, like institutions,

will fail you. But in the end, your biggest social safety net is your neighbor. It's your fellow American. And I know you believe that. And I, and I want to let you talk on that. You and I texted yesterday. And I was like, I want to be a resource. What can I do? And we haven't followed up with each other yet. But like, I think for a lot of people listening, like, okay, unless it is my neighbor, unless it is my town, what can I do? That's a great question. And I know we will follow up on it because I think there is actually work. And look, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that we don't need. institutions. In a first world country of abundance, you need institutions. They can do things that only institutions can do. What I'm saying is that a lot of these institutions are failing

us, right? Whether that was in how we treated our allies and how we left Afghanistan, whether that is in disaster response, you know, there's a lot of heroes out there in the institutions doing the work, but at a leadership level, slow to the punch, hand-wringing kind of things, where networks can fill the gap. And where I'm going with that, Will, and I talk a lot about this in the book, is that throughout our history, actually, and especially in the early 1900s, the country was in a very close place to where it is right now. It was like a down swing of trust, political division, haves and have-nots, and most pundits were saying that America was on her last leg, and this was in the early 1900s. And then a couple of dr.

in Akron, Ohio, Dr. Bob, and Bill W. couldn't get sober, and they had a meeting, and they called it Alcoholics Anonymous. Around the same time in Chicago, the Rotary Club was formed, the Junior League, the NAACP, you know, the Elks Club. All of the clubs and social organizations that you and I grew up with as kids were actually formed in about a 10-year period in the darkest period of American history. That was before we had the kind of technology that you and I used on Signal to work with others across the country, and if not the world, on helping Lahaina. And so where I'm going with this is we've been here before. There's actually a macro precedent for America reclaiming its agency through bottom-up grassroots movements

using old-school interpersonal skills and relationships that were built when risk was low and cashed in when the stakes are high. And I think that's what we've got to get back to. We've got to get conscious of it, intentional about it. And I think if we do that, it starts to create a movement across the country that if nothing else will shame our institutional leaders into doing the right thing or put the pressure on them to step up. so you said two things there before i get more into the book you talked about um agency that's the thing like i think so many of the people listening and watching i so we talk often about the lack of purpose and young men and then therefore the rise of depression and things like this and i think that's a direct

product of letting the world scroll by and our main contribution being to that you know something we pound out with our thumbs um as a performance largely yes And there's so much purpose and fulfillment in agency, meaning I took action. I did something, right? Not just tweet something. I am more proud of what we did a year ago in Maui than probably anything I've ever said on television, obviously, right? Or any big stand I've taken no matter how brave or how against the grain on ESPN.

Because it was agency. Like, and there's different personality types, Scott. You know, I know that for me, I am happy. year when in control, even with failure. Like failure is not what bothers me. Right. A lack of control is what bothers me. Right. And I just think that for everybody listening and watching, part of what you're telling us is also the path to fulfillment, like a real life of purpose. A hundred percent, man, because, you know, one of the things in the book that I hit really hard is what I call the human operating system. And this is something that I've taught for years to young green berets and federal

law enforcement agents that have to go into really tough arenas, is that we have to understand this instrument that is the human operating system. And it's a very primal instrument. It's been around for hundreds of thousands of years. And it really hasn't changed. You know, we're well-dressed Neanderthals in how we navigate the world, even though technology is swirling all around us. And you know what's at the heart of that is meaning. We are meaning-seeking, meaning assigning creatures. The brain actually has a mandate, according to Dr. Ivan Tirole, to make sense of the world. It has a mandate to make sense, to add meaning to what's going on. So we ignore that at our peril. And I think when you see, like you just said, when you see the levels of disengagement that are happening in the corporate workspace in our communities, it's an absence of purpose. And that's a leadership problem, right? That's a leadership problem. But it's also an agency problem. People are not applying agency in their own life. And you're absolutely right. That's why Lahaina, I think, pineapple and these other things resonate so deeply with Americans because they see Americans just stepping up and trying to do something. Look, I mean, we left tens of

thousands of commandos behind. Like, I get text from them. I get videos from them that they've lost their father. They was executed. And you just think, my God, like we failed. But you know what, at least we tried. At least we did something meaningful. And I think today people are just, they're just starving for that. You know, they're starving for leaders who will just step into the arena and give it a shot, man, because most institutional leaders are too busy with self-preservation. So that element of meaning in this digital world, like it is, it is, it is strategic in what we, it's rocket fuel for what we do. A lot of the stuff you're telling is just for the record is, is he's, Scott is referencing our human operating system and the way we live in a distracted world. A lot of this is laid out and nobody is coming to save you.

It really is. talks about how much of us is above the water line versus below the water line, meaning we're glaciers. You know, you ever see a glacier, whatever you see is like 20% of what you see. The rest is under the water, and that's all what makes us up. And so there was one of the thing that you had talked about on this front of agency because I almost imagine myself talking to someone right now. I'm talking to you, Scott, but I'm also talking to people listening.

And I know, actually, I know there's a lot of women that listen to this show, and I love them and appreciate for that because I actually interact with a lot of them for some reason but I also know there's a lot of dudes and a lot of dudes who are who's operating systems how about this way are set very similar to mine and I almost like this part

it's not just for the men it's for everybody but I can almost hear them responding to me how like or that's like take what's happening in North Carolina I mean like that's for many listening that's far away and like it's it even for me Scott I'm struggling with the how right now yeah but this ties into your green beret experience now and what you said what i learned again

through my limited experience and your extensive experience is we can't answer that question right now and you don't have to it's about jumping into the chaos and this is the green beret side of you this is what you did in afghanistan this is the story of you dropping into a village like yeah there's a lot of planning and some attempts to answer that but it truly starts to come together in the action right like You can't map it all out and game plan it. It's not until, in some cases, in your case, the bullets are flying, but in others, you're just getting S done that you figure out the how. 100%.

And, you know, I think back, like, when I was a young Green Beret and those Green Beret, so, you know, our charter is to go into rough, trust-depleted places and build connections with locals and then help them stand up on their own. So to go in with 12 and come out, you know, with 1,200. You know, I tell people at Green Beret these days as a combination. of John Wick, Lawrence of Arabian, the Verizon guy, you know, this, this, this eclectic combination of those three avatars. And, and I think about, like, one of my former sergeant majors, this guy, Bill Sarnowski, I think he's probably listening, loves your show. And, you know,

there was occasions where I would, I would be worried about what was coming our way, what the threats were, what the attacks were going to be. And he'd say, hey, sorry, ain't nobody coming. There's no, it's us. Whatever we've got, that's what we're going to have to, we're just going to have to figure it out as we go. And, and I think about when you contact, when we contacted around Lahaina, one of the first things you said to me was, Scott, I'm not really sure that I'm even relevant to this. You know, I'll jump in and I'll give it a try, but I'm not even sure how I can play a position here. And I think what I said to you was something to the effect of you'll know when it's time for you to step in, you know, just get in the network and

start mixing it up. And we did an introduction. We got into the signal room and there were all these eclectic people in there. And then at some point, man, it flicked for you and you knew exactly what you needed to do. And what you noticed, I think, was that a lot of the other people simply stepped back because you were most relevant to the problem at that moment. And that's the key of leadership that I see today that you see happening in Asheville, you see happening in other places, is these leaders in the arena that they step in. Once you get in there and you build connections and relationship and trust and you start sticking and moving with myopic focus on the problem, you hit a state of flow. And you know when to step in. You know when to step back. And that

becomes the real power of that collective effort. And it's something that I think is we're right on the edge of it right now. I really believe it. I think we're right on the edge of it in this country. And I'm encouraged by it. That's why I put the book out is you don't, you don't, you don't deploy your reserves when you're losing the fight. You deploy your reserves when you're about to win the fight. And I think that's exactly where we are. And it's why I decided to put the book out right now, because I think it is a supplement to helping do that, to make those connections and do what scares the hell out of you, because that's what's needed. well you you just did this again you just referenced something that is a deep every one of these things

you're saying by the way are a deeper well there are deeper well for me of curiosity of your life experience and there are a deeper well of explanation and nobody's coming to save you but like the relationship side right you know scott and that's actually been a difficult thing about not that i have trouble making relationships that i i i guess you know there was a formation of me in my life where it's like i don't want to rely on the concept of networking that somehow network he felt like cheating to me you know and it's like i want to do it on my own and life has taught me that is so wrong now i appreciate the sigma you know there's the alpha and all the kids today love the sigma the lone wolf version of the alpha right um my kids reference it but the truth is

you don't get things done on a grand scale alone you just don't and so relationships you know once the signal room for lehina whatever like you said that was i think it ended up it's Like 50 to 100 people contributing at some level, you know, probably a core 20 who are really thoroughly getting in there. And I didn't know, well, one of them, but for you dropping in. And those relationships are what make everything happen. And you said something really smart in the book. You're like, you just have to collect these relationships. And it's not about like this ugly like thinking of relationships as transactional. We're talking about the path to meaning here. And therefore, the path to action and its meaning is through relationships. Yes. And that's

really well stated. And what I want to try to get across to people is this is not kumbaya stuff. Like, I'm not coming at this from some kind of theoretical point of view of wouldn't it be nice. I mean, these were the things I learned in the most dangerous places on earth where the casualty count was enormous, right? And you were going into these places where the elder across from you is tickling the trigger of his AK-47 trying to figure out whether he's going to dispatch you or not. And you've got a couple of minutes to make some kind of move. Now, you can either reach for your weapon, or you can threaten that guy, or you can make a human connection. And what I found hanging out with some of the most iconic Green Berets on the planet was that they would make a connection almost every time, and that they would move with an immense skill to make this connection.

And the reason was because within a couple of months, that same elder would be up on his rooftop slinging lead right there beside him. Not because he had to do it, but because he chose to do it. And at the end of the day, the primal reality of humans, particularly in a crisis and when we're scared and when we're afraid, forget all that crap you see in the movies. It is the man and woman to your shoulder, to your left, and to your right that will determine whether you live or die in the moment. It has nothing to do with you, almost nothing. It has to do with the relationships that you built when trust was low and that you've leveraged when the stakes are high. And that's just the way it is. And whether it's a wildfire or whether it's a terrorist attack or a mudslide.

Or an economic or a COVID. I mean, the reality is we are social creatures. We don't have fur fangs or claws, but we sit on top of the food chain because we form teams better than any other mammal. And the humans that get that and make social capital, their relationship portfolio, their weight of effort, they're the ones that are going to be more relevant, especially in hard times. That's been my experience. What do you think that is? That's so fascinating what you referenced about the elks and the rotary and all that. what like and this is such a big question scott and something you know i've talked about and i think

it might even be your life's purpose going forward but like how how do you envision that is that i mean do we not is there no need to reinvent the wheel is it like local communities more invested in things like like like elks or whatever like i don't know anybody that belongs to that anymore right but like it's true you have to start local again something you write about in the book um but But how do you envision that? Like, what's an action, an actionable plan? Well, I think the first thing is we need to reacquaint ourselves with the civil society we already have. Like, that's, you know, when Alexander de Tocqueville visited the United States, you know, over

100 years ago, he went back to Europe and he said, the amazing thing about America is they have a sense of individualism that's rightly understood, right? We already have a civil society that allows us to get beyond our primal tendencies of Klan and tribe and group, which by the way, are great if you're in the right clan or tribe, but not so great if you're not. You know, it's not, you look at some of these countries like Afghanistan where literally engulfed in tribal warfare. You know, we live in a society where we trust each other in a bridging kind of way. We actually bridge beyond our in groups and our outgroups. There is a level of social capital that is our, it is our secret

sauce. It's what allowed us, has allowed us to be who we are in the world and navigate the world that we do and have, frankly, the levels of abundance that we have. Typically, humans don't live in abundance. We live in scarcity. And if you don't believe me, go to some of these places where people are siphoning gas out of each other's gas tanks right now. You know, I mean, that's what we resort to very quickly. But yet, there is in this society, this level of abundance and the ability to chase one's dreams. And it's because we have a level of social capital that typically leaders are the stewards of. We, you know, I think it was Jonathan Haight that says, you know, high-performing societies have psychological safety, they have trust in their neighbors,

and they have institutions they can believe in. And we're failing dismally in all those. So my vision is that, first of all, we have a constitution that works really well. It empowers the individual, and I think we need to get back to that and aspire to be what's in it. But also as communities and as humans, we need to look around at all the systemic problems that we have and stop this language of, you know, somebody ought to do something about that. Well, step in the arena and do it and build a community of practice, which is what I talk about in my book.

It's what we did with the play last out. Never written a play in my life. Never acted in my life. And stepped off on a midlife crisis to learn how to act at age 50. And we got a play together that was produced by Gary Sinise. Right. And so we've done it. I've seen it done over and over again.

You've done it will. We'll probably do something like that with Western North Carolina is I think, see what's, look at that piece of stinking cheese that's over in the corner that nobody's picking up and step in there and deal with it and build a network around it and and just use your innate God-given skills to lead. And I think this book has a lot of the best practices to help you do that and to train on it. Train on your storytelling. Train on your active listening. Train on getting clear on your purpose and your meaning before the crisis occurs and then leverage it when it happens. Okay, I want to ask you about two things. One applies to your life experience, but the other

applies to what you're exactly talking about. And you were just talking about tribes. So J.D. Vance, obviously, the vice presidential candidate along with Donald Trump, was asked about illegal immigration, Scott, and he was asked, I think the question specifically is, what should a Christian approach be to illegal immigration? And he brought up a deeper topic that I personally find fascinating that touches on our conversation. I want you to listen to this from J.D. Vance. Okay. My first responsibility is to America's citizens. And I think there is this Christian idea that you owe the strongest duty to your family and then you owe the next duty to your community and then to your country and then to everybody else. So it doesn't mean that you have to be mean to other people, but it means that

your first duty as an American leader is to the people of your own country. So I found that fascinating, Scott. Now, and you were talking about tribalism, and you've got to return there in New York. This is back in the studios here in Dallas. I always have found this fascinating. This is the concentric circles of, I guess, focus for empathy and priority. And what I have on my screen here, for those listening instead of watching, is this. The screen here on my left is conservative. And closer to the bull's eye is closer to home. It's all of your family, then your extended family, then your closest friends, then all of your friends, then your acquaintances, and on and on and on and on

until you get to your community and then those very far away. And so for those on the right, it shows that their heat map is very much centered on one, two, three, four. Those closest to them are their priority. Those on the left,

the center of their bull's eye, the hottest of their concern level is up around 13, 14, 15, which on the legend here it says, all animals in the universe, including alien life forms, all living things in the universe, including plants and trees and so on more more focus and empathy on that than their family and what

i have made the argument scott is this is inverted like this now you talked about tribes and i think that does play a role but like if we're talking about how we lead and where we give our focus i think forget politics for a minute which one is labeled which one is considered liberal conservative it should look like this it should be that closest to you is most important to you individualism rightly understood, right? And I think that in this case, what we're talking about contextually is that we have to pay attention because not all tribalism is bad. You know, that's the other thing that I've always, like I taught at Fort Bragg and other places is you have this notion that tribalism is bad. That's not true. I mean, Appalachia has high

degrees of tribalism, rural areas. We all come from tribes and clans and in groups. That's how we survive. All mammals do that and certainly humans do that. But what we have to understand is that in a society of abundance, right, where you are, you have enough, most places in the world operate on scarcity. And so the only way you can survive is your in-group. The only way you can survive is your in-group. And that's it. You acquire and you preserve resources with your tribe, your family, your clan, whatever. In a society of abundance, it goes beyond your in-group. Your trust goes beyond your end group, but you must always preserve the core level of your social capital. If you abandon that, then you abandon your entire foundation to establish trust at the

outer edges, right? It cannot sustain itself. You are in complete violation of our biology, of how we're actually wired to navigate the world. It makes no sense in terms of even just pure survival. It doesn't work, right? You have to preserve the core. elements of your social capital at the most at the innermost level and then from there you bridge outward that's the key right you write you write about this you start local and again and nobody's coming to say you have to address things at the local level and then build from there last thing because it's in the news scott um i mean former green beret uh helped develop the village stability philosophy operations of dealing with tribes in Afghanistan. We're sitting here today. It looks like

in an incredible military operation, Israel has taken out the tops of Hezbollah. I mean, people are talking about, by the way, as a Green Beret, I'm actually just fascinated by your perspective on that, blowing up the pagers, 15 years it took. But that was just the, that was the opening salvo, Scott. Now we've seen the top leaders taken out by a missile strike, and now we have special force or operations into Lebanon and tanks lined up at the border. What do you think, what are we on the verge of here in the Middle East? Well, let's just unpack it. We are on the verge, I think, of a major, what could be a major ground campaign in Lebanon.

Now, what does that mean? Let's just pull apart what that means at face value. And we'll talk Israel and Hezbollah in just a second into Iran. But in terms of what we should be paying attention to on this is, number one, This is probably going to cause a massive humanitarian issue in Lebanon. We are looking at, I've got buddies, Will, we're, you know, all the volunteer groups, not just pineapple, others are looking at this going, okay, is this going to be another, you know, is this going to be another network-centric effort where veterans fill the gaps here?

And I think it will. I know Project Dynamo is already putting out, hey, if you need rescue, sign up here. And that always tells me, and they've already been on the ground. there's other operators on the ground I've been talking to that are in Lebanon now. And they're saying is maybe 30 to 50,000 American citizens caught up in this in Lebanon that would have to be evacuated because there's really nowhere to go. So we're looking at a major non-combatant evacuation, I think. We're looking at humanitarian displacement. That's one thing. Then when you look at the operation themselves, at itself, I am really impressed always with how Israel conducts operations

and how they've conducted themselves post-October 7. I mean, look, starting with, with the pagers and then the radios. I mean, you talk about tactical and strategic patients and surgical targeting and then to follow it with the hit with the bunker buster on Nasrallah. And now that you've taken out the entire command and control structure at the top, you have a limited window of time where they are in complete disarrayed. They'll fill the leadership gap. They always do.

All these groups do. But right now, they are in turmoil. And so Israel has immediately pressed the gas. They have pressed the fight. And while the head of the snake and the snake is writhing around, they're hitting the tunnels and they're not missing a beat. So everything that I've seen them do from their psychological warfare to their messaging to their surgical targeting has been some of the most impressive stuff I've ever seen. And the last thing I'll say on it is I hope we're paying attention because if we think that Iran, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, ISIS are not going to pursue some level of reciprocity at a much higher level. and maybe we can talk about this some other time.

On the home front here, I think we're missing something really dangerous. I've quoted you. You run Fox & Friends said the people you've talked to have said that it's not just the warning board is not just lighting up, it's smoking in terms of, you know, our southern border, what their plans are, what they want to do here, and what they increasingly might have the capacity to do here. But instead of that, I want to ask you, what we're around. do in response? Because that means that's going to dictate the extent to which there is a wider war in the Middle East, which could suck in the United States then. I hate to say it depends, well, but it kind of does. I mean, Iran has spent a lot of time cultivating Hezbollah as a surrogate force, and they are right now in danger of losing them, you know. And Iran just doesn't

have the capacity to fight a unilateral fight. I mean, they have a little bit. They have their own problems in their borders. They rely on these surrogates. They rely on Hamas. They rely on Hisbalah. And so will they commit Hisbalah to an open war of a movement, conventional defense against the IDF? I just, I don't know. I tend to think they won't. I think they'll cut their losses and pull back. But maybe they'll say, okay, this is our time. We're going to go for it. But I honestly think what you'll probably see Iran do is pull back, because they've just been decimated. I don't see any move they can make here. All right. So listen, you know, sometimes when I do this show, you know, I don't know,

the guys in New York, and I'm about to have a big college football debate with these guys because they're incredibly wrong. But they know, like, I guess I get a little fatigued on, okay, I don't want to do the same stuff every day. I don't want to just complain, complain, and this conversation is obviously an exception. But what's more important beyond the conversation is that, Scott, you have been a conduit for me of not just talking but doing, and I want that to be increasingly a part of my life. I don't want to just talk into microphones. I don't find it the same level of fulfillment. And I think if you're listening, I think you might find the same thing, you know, and I do think, and he intends it to be a guidebook, and I think it can be a

guidebook or springboard or inspiration for you if you want to do something, right? If you want to get big shit done because here's a green brace guide nobody is coming to save you it's it's great scott and i appreciate the book and i appreciate our relationship appreciate you thank you brother i appreciate it man and i look forward to what we do together and i hope everybody gets out there and gets after it can't wait all right let's talk thanks scott all right coming up i said a big debate coming up here how about this i don't want america to be florida state okay that was a big pre-show debate here on the Will Cain show. Let's get into that next. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason and the House podcast.

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Hit subscribe, Apple, or Spotify. I've always had sympathy for Florida State fans. You can both, you can all speak to that. James Tenfoil in two days. I feel bad for Florida State fans a year ago. I think I made the argument that Florida State should be in the National College Football, the college football playoffs last year. But this morning, when talking about college football,

as we did on our pre-show call. Look at Tinfoil, Pat. He's already rocking. He's like, rock it. Can you see that? You got a rocking chair? You know his legs just bounce it up and down. I've never seen him rocked before.

It's like a subtle little, it's a regular office chair. She's got a little bit of give to it. No, that more looks like somebody who's about to, you know, who's on the verge of already being upset and he's rocking. It's a soothing rock. That's what they, you know how people self-soothe? I think you're self-soothing a little bit. I'm okay. I'm not crying anything, so I'm okay. So you said in passing and talking about college football from this past weekend

that the ACC jobed Virginia Tech, that the ACC saved Miami. The Hail Mary Pass at the end of the game, did not award Virginia Tech a touchdown, right? And Miami got the win, saved a perfect record for Miami. And the reason in part that's being brought up is, you know, here we are today. I just submitted my college football top 12 playoffs, as did a lot of other people in the Outkick universe. You can go to Outkick.com. I've got mine, by the way, up in the studios here of the Will Kane show.

I'm over here in the corner. And I've got Texas one, Ohio State. No, Texas, one, Alabama, two. No, you have to do it in order. Right. So Alabama has to go forward. four because they're second in the SEC. Yeah, okay, I'll get there two days.

Texas 1, Ohio State 2, Miami 3, BYU, 4, Alabama, 5. That doesn't mean I think Alabama's the fifth best team in the country, but this is what would happen in the playoffs, right? Because Big 10, ACC, Big 12, get their buys, their top 4. And then Tennessee, Oregon, I got Georgia down to 9th. Okay, so that led to the larger debate of, did the ACC save? Miami. Now, his name is tinfoil pat.

So he's going to tend to gravitate towards I changed my background on that. I was like, man, the Wilcane podcast is back. Check it out. Yeah. Hey, there we're going to tend towards

conspiracy. It's just what he does. Okay, he's kind of guy that squints his eyes and sees what's really happening. And so the ACC is out there to save Miami. And then that led him into a diatribe about Florida State, right? And you said that the NCAA and ACCC have so jobbed Florida State last year that they're demoralized. And there's just no point in trying anymore.

And that's why you've just now lost SMU to go one and four. I'm trying to figure out why our team would go one and four and I'm trying to like you know identify what exactly that problem was and you know going back to it I mean it's probably the screw job you know that's and what I'm saying is the ACC didn't have our back the entire time like it literally had its bell cow team out of the playoff and didn't go and defend them it was absurd It's not the being good at football part.

Your point is, the system is so rigged against Florida State that, not that they're getting job this year, but that it is successfully demoralized all of those kids to the point they are basically on the doorstep of why even try. Yeah, well, I think the problem is Mike Norville's messaging. So Mike Norville is such a positive, upbeat person. a guy who sees the world like Scott Mann. And it's like, how are you supposed to get that message across to these kids who you told, follow the process, do everything, everything you can do. And if you just went out and just do what you can do within your power, you'll be rewarded.

And then it turns out not to be the case. I mean, you know, they overcame a massive injury quarterback. Okay, I want to tell you two things. Okay, first of all, I lived my life like what you're saying for a long time i did meaning i thought best man will win the job like you do your best you you you you you kick ass you beat the other guy and then what you said what did you say what was the words you said it all work out or you'll get your you know whatever it'll it yeah but that's where you made your mistake from step one to step two so i'm going to give you a personal story um this is the kind of i'm going to do here like this i don't care about this on social media, stuff like that, right?

So, and y'all can laugh at me. In 2000, I'm going to say in 2014, I think it was. So I was on the view, right? I was on the view like once, and then I was on the view two times, and I was on the view three times. I'm going to be honest with you. Yeah, I kicked its ass.

I mean, I crushed it. I mean, and I was like, I should get this job. And they came to me and they said, we're going to redo the view and you know the plan is you're going to be along with they're also going to i don't care who knows it remember uh what's his name is ross is his last name matthews um high pitched guy gay was he on the tonight show for a while with leno do you remember ross yeah ross matthews yep yeah so two two dudes one gay one straight this was i don't know how far down the road this plan went but i know that it was discussed with me

at pretty high levels of the show, right? And then it didn't happen. And I know why it didn't happen, and there's a whole bunch of reasons that it didn't happen, right? That whole show got blown up and the people in charge were out and new people came in and so forth.

But I was mad. And Patrick, I thought what you're doing now. I thought I did what I'm supposed to do. I kicked ass. You know, I won, but I didn't get to win. And that's not the only example in my life where I've had to learn that is not a one-to-one equation

you don't do the right thing you don't do the best thing you're not the best man for the job and because it's a one-to-one equation you get it it's just not how life works life is not fair life sucks and I don't think it sucks

I had this conversation with my son this weekend like you are going to get shit laid at your doorstep this is how it happens man and I don't know how it's going to happen and it's not going to happen once It's going to happen a lot of times.

And you're not going to deserve it, by the way. You're not going to deserve it. But the issue is you thinking the world should work that way is making you not move forward from the world working your way. So you're focused on last year and what should have happened for Florida State. And we can all say it shoulda, shoulda, shoulda, shoulda. But you're always focused in the past and on past tense. And this is where I got on to you there in the call.

And I'm like, I'm worried this mindset's dug in in America. I truly am. there are so many people like the system's rigged against me and this institution is ruined and this institution is going to hold me back and you know what you're not wrong you're not but if you just freaking quit and focus on the past and kick your can you are going to be making it a self-fulfilling prophecy you're one in four Patrick you're one in four you're horrible you're horrible be nice Florida State is terrible watch me more I knew SMU was going to beat you I knew you're not even in the top 12 debate and by the way now the system says you don't have to be a top four you could be top 12 and get in and you can't win more than one game oh no so you have self-fulfilled the prophecy because you're so focused on the past and this whole thing being rigged against you and I am worried about America adopting that mindset we got a lot of people who are happy to point out the way this system is rigged against you we got a lot of people who can sit in that lane and stay right there and feed into your anger and

and your upsetness, and they are going to keep you one in four. They're going to make you a loser because there's no, you need to be like Scott Mann. You think Scott Mann in Afghanistan think it all went great for them? No. But you're going to choose, you're going to start firing your bullets and move forward, or you're going to be like, I can't believe the Taliban didn't play by the rules and surrounded us. We were surrounded. To be fair, it's not fair to have to follow Scott Mann with this argument, okay?

It's not right. Two, I mean, most things are pretty, pretty subjective. In football, though, I do think it should be pretty objective, like you go undefeated. If it was 2003, for example, and we were the third team out. And the view in the college football playoff have a different scale of subjectivity to objectivity. I'll give you that. But it shouldn't be, like, the football playoff shouldn't be subjective at all, you know. It should be pretty straightforward.

But, you know, if we were left out, the third seed, undefeated, like Auburn was that one time, I get it. You know, like, sometimes you're just the team that's out. But, like, to be left out of a 14 playoff as one of three undefeated teams. When you're undefeated, yes, when you're undefeated and a one-loss team went in over you, I get. Yeah, it sucks. By the way, on a side note, you know, the thing about subjectivity. One thing I've noticed, I'm on like week three. of these rankings you know i send them into patrick and he sends him doubt kick it is really enticing

to be subjective i've never done it before like this and i've been the guy that's like you reward the record you know and i really have but when i've sat here and i've done it i'm like okay what did i put georgia at nine right so georgia's got one loss so i was like well they've got to be punished plus i don't think they've looked good against kentucky right and and so but you start factoring in these things about how you've looked and it gets subjective really quickly like I've watched Oregon and I think Oregon looks better than Penn State but on their record like do I really can I really prove that and it's easier to be subjective now by the end of a season when people have a whole body of work you know I hope I'm less subjective but I have noticed that I sit there and

I ask myself the theoretical question but will do you really think that Georgia would lose Penn State? Do I really think that would happen, you know? And I don't, but I put Georgia behind Penn State. What's up, James? I saw you say. Yeah, all the accusations of being a homer and such. Was there any point in the Texas game, first official SEC game that you said, oh, shoot, this might be kind of a wake-up welcome to the SEC call? None. Zero. None. That's unbiased. No self-reflection. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I totally thought they were going to get some, like, oh, Texas isn't ready for it yet. They don't have a quarterback.

Oh, come on. Come on. There was no shot in heck that Mississippi State was doing anything. Oh, okay, okay. Oh, yeah. I'm with you, Patrick. Why would you? Yeah.

No, they're terrible. No, by the way, on this poll, 50% still have Texas at number one and 50% have Alabama at number one. You guys all called me a homer for having Texas at number one. My argument is Texas is smoking folks with their backup quarterback. They beat Mississippi State by 21, and they shot themselves in the foot like five times in the game. Mississippi State didn't do anything to Texas. Texas did a couple things to Texas. But, no, I don't feel any more insecure about Texas.

I want to give Alabama credit for a really good victory, but I don't think it's enough to put them over Texas right now. Texas will have plenty of opportunity to prove me right with Oklahoma and Georgia coming up in the next two weeks. So we're good to go. But so back to this America thing, okay, do you see my concern? Like, I think the Florida State fan is acting, if we're being honest, like a good section of the right in America. There's too much of the right that has said all of our institutions are rotten. and there's no point, and they're basically bleeding us into there's no point in trying

and signing us up for perpetual loserdom. I really feel that way. Now, maybe they could say, well, the plan is to tear down the system. Well, I mean, okay, the thing over which you have limited control. Like, that's the Florida State fan saying, I'm leaving the ACC. Or you just start winning, Patrick. you start going to practice and fixing your morale and executing your exes and o's

and capitalizing on those four and five stars that you have more than SMU and winning otherwise America is going to be Florida State like we all need to start doing our stuff it doesn't make the other side right or the institution's pure but it keeps us from being damn losers

like Florida State I got to say I have the opposite of that problem with Notre Dame. I mean, we benefit from the system when we shouldn't all the time in college football. And I'll admit that this one time. This one time I'll admit that. But it is true. So who would you be in this analogy?

I don't know. I'm trying to think. Notre Dame's the kid with a rich dad. Ukraine. What? I think he's, I think James is closer to. to the right he's the kid with the rich dad yeah he's got the automatic bid into the fraternity he's the legacy hire legacy legacy legacy entrance into harvard yeah you know that's notre dame yeah exactly i mean i'll

be i'll be honest as well dan as long as we're having this all honest moment Texas isn't far from that either i know okay that's true like texas is going to get the benefit of the doubt got your own network you got your own tv network down there i see so this is a point where patrick is supposed to embody this i and go oh all the privilege people tell me to pick myself up by the bootstraps I did just want to say Like a secret Democrat? Yeah. No one gave Texas and Oklahoma crap

for leaving their conference and destroying it. I mean like, we want to go make the money that we deserve to make. We should be able to. I just think that there's nothing to do with football.

It's not connected. James, you said, is Patrick a Democrat? Is that what you said? A secret Democrat. There is a place at which the right and the left. start becoming very similar right I think Patrick is getting I think like a lot of the far

right like it's getting close it's getting close around the top of that circle I do think so yeah it's like a Venn diagram as Commonwealth would say I love Vend diagrams at the top of the horseshoe every time yeah I can go either way oh really yeah I played a guy I used to play a game with people at work where I would be more liberal more conservative than them Huh? I can go either way. I could. All right.

That's my college football talk about. Please do not become Florida. I actually like you, Patrick, and I like Florida State, and I like Seminole fans, and I feel for a year ago. And I know that if this segment, if they hear it, they're going to hate me for it. But the truth is, if you're a real Florida State fan, you've got to look up and go last year's last year, and this year I'm one and four. You're one and four. And I don't want America to be one and four because of a loser mentality. Most of them are drinking too many vodka sodas to really worry about it, to be honest.

Florida State of vodka soda school. Interesting. All right. I appreciate the conversation. Always fun. Dan, good to have you back. Look good and tanned and married. All right, that's going to do it for me today here on the Will Kane Show. I'll see you again same time, same place tomorrow. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast, and Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon music app. From the Fox News Podcasts Network. Hey there, it's me, Kennedy, make sure to check out my podcast. Kennedy saves the world.

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