Will Cain Country - Mark Cuban’s Showdown With Dr. Jordan Peterson Over DEI

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

Story #1: When will normies understand the cancer that is DEI? When will Mark Cuban understand DEI? Story #2: A ‘Lunch Break Panel’ on the impact of DEI on society, the growing political censorship on social media sites like YouTube and Facebook, and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s claim that President Biden is one of the largest threats to democracy with independent journalist and Senior Advisor to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Link Lauren, and host of Stacy On The Right, Stacy Washington. Story #3: Which sports city has had the best run? L.A.? Champa Bay? Nope. This one city had a heater like no other.   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And three, who's had it best in sports? Is it NC State right now? Is it Yukon? Is it Alabama? Who has had it best in sports? It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com, the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, and always on demand at Apple or on Spotify. Just hit subscribe or watch the Wilcane Show whenever you want. Entirety or in exclusive interviews and YouTube shorts by subscribing at YouTube. The Willcane Show, always on demand at Wilcane Show.com. We've got a big show today with a lunch break panel that includes Stacey Washington. the host of Stacey on the right at Sirius XM,

and Link Lauren, the senior advisor, to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Plus, things are good in Dallas, Mavericks, Rangers, Stars, and Cowboys. But who's had it best? That question is put to the test right now as Alabama, NC State, and Yukon dominating the sports landscape. All that's coming up on this episode of The Will Cane Show, but let's start with story number one. when will normies when will mark cuban governor of the dallas mavericks understand the cancer that is diversity equity and inclusion when will they understand the cancer that is d e i

mark cuban to his credit has continued to debate dei across x to his credit he continues to engage at least on x with his critics To his shame, he doesn't seem to understand reality. And maybe reality is a hard thing to get because it requires you to understand political ideology. Most people in the world operate through practicality. Most people don't live in a world of politics. But that doesn't mean that politics doesn't care about them. You may not care about politics, but politics cares about you. And while DEI can be dressed up in fancy or flowery language about giving everyone an equal opportunity, it most certainly is an ideological movement to produce equal outcomes.

It most certainly is Marxism. You only have to understand and read, you only have to do what they ask, do the work to understand the underpendings of DEI. but Mark Cuban, for one, and I think in many ways, representative of many normal people out there, refuses to understand reality in DEI. Cuban got into it with Chris Rufo. Chris Rufo has been an activist on X, who's done a lot of great work in pushing to the forefront, the reality of DEI. Rufo has laid out numerous companies that have embraced DEI, including CVS Health. CEO Larry Merlo, where he talked about their push into DEI. Cuban posted on X, all very informative.

I will try to be clearer. Where is a CEO stating they want equality of outcomes for their employees? Cuban's trying to make the argument that nobody actually means equity. Nobody means equality of outcomes. They all mean equality of opportunity. He has tried hard-headedly to make the argument that it simply, means putting people in positions to succeed, and that in and of itself means success for your company. He argues it's just good capitalism, and that he invests in hundreds, if not thousands

of companies, and he doesn't know a CEO that wants equality of outcome. But to that, Rufo has provided him numerous examples, from Disney to a host of others across the landscape of corporate America, who clearly have embraced the totality of the ideology of DEI. Cuban just seems to refuse that reality. He wants to tailor it. He wants a customization, or he wants to mask the ideology behind a flowery concept that everybody agrees. We want a quality of opportunity. But that's not what is meant by equity, no matter how many times Cuban tries to customize his own definition.

He's not dealing in reality. He's not dealing with practicality. and i think jordan peterson gave a long and deep response that i wanted to read to you in its entirety it's worth reading in full even if it is long here is the post by dr jordan peterson my dear chris rufo if mark cuban continues to turn away from the plentiful evidence illustrating the difference between a quality of opportunity and equity it's high time to quit pearls you know i've talked to dozens of Democrat congressmen and senators alike over the last eight years, not one would draw a line between the classic liberal in the left and the bloody radicals.

Bloody, a very underrated emphasis word used by Canadians and Brits. Peterson continues, seriously, not single one, even if asked repeatedly, even in private, even when prompted. They refuse outright to address what could well be the central issue of our time, which I formulated as a simple question. When does the left go too far? They would never even admit to the existence of the postmodern Marxists, insisting upon oppression at every turn, even though it is those ideologues who completely dominate, for example, the entire educational apparatus. So far as I see, no indication whatsoever that Mr. Cuban has the willingness to draw this

necessary distinction, or even to consider the possibility that it might be necessary. In other words answer the question, when has the left gone too far? He merely makes excuses for those who would have given the opportunity to destroy him in everyone in his circle. This is exactly the attitude that characterized Democrats and modern leadership. It's true even of Dean Phillips and RFK Jr. I ask them both directly, and they have more reason the most on the left to have been once bitten twice shy. So why is this the case? Peterson continues. in a long post that I think is worthwhile to understand. First, perhaps straightforward refusal to admit the magnitude of the problem.

That's the willful blindness I alluded to earlier. Mr. Cuban said on the Lex Friedman show that he couldn't imagine a cabal of therapeutic and medical professionals corrupt enough to enable the current trans epidemic and the butchery that accompanies it. So be it. It's understandable. Who wants to see that? But even liberals like Michael Schellenberger have said they had their head in the sand for two years. So, Peterson offers up, maybe Cuban is simply willfully ignorant.

Second, perhaps Cuban, like other moderate once liberals, also harbors a desire to have it both ways. He's wildly rich and more power to him, insofar that he's earned it productively. But he also wants to play benevolent ally to those screaming victims. The desire for both forms of status simultaneously is simply too much to ask for, just as in the case with Ivy League students claiming their faux allegiance to the dispossessed. and third finally mr cuban like the other moderates also appears to not understand that the true dark tetrad types the true narcissists manipulators psychopaths and sadists habitually disguised themselves in the cloak of oppression this heightens their danger as that adopted status allows them to reputation savage and to even steal with an attitude or moral superiority property after all is theft so he asked cuba do you think the typical DEI advocate is more or less likely, say, than the typical liberal

to hold that view? If yes, then think it through. If you believe that the correct answer is no, then that's more comprehensive evidence that you don't understand the ideological terrain. In my estimation, adding to Peterson, you don't understand reality. The leftist moderates in the West appear hell-bent on learning everything about human nature the hard way. It's too bad that the rest of us will be dragged along for the ride. Hang on. It's about to get bumpy. I think that's very deep and accurate understanding of reality from Dr. Jordan Peterson. My suspicion is for guys like Mark Cuban, there's a large part of option two that by getting so rich there is in essence a luxury of liberalism that is bought and displayed like the Nouveau-Rour.

rich. It's like buying a sports car, but in this case, you're buying a rosy reputation. You're also, I guess, absolving yourself of some guilt for what you've earned, for your wealth. And so you become a champion of the victim, even if that victim is truly, as he points out, a sadist, a dark tetrad. I don't think Cuban fully understands reality, because perhaps he's unwilling to consider that although he may not care about politics, he cares about business. That doesn't mean politics doesn't care about Mark Cuban. Cuban responded to Peterson and Rufo with the following post. He said, also in a long post, first of all, my arguments are not abstract. I own or invest in hundreds of companies. I know DEI is a positive because I see its impact on bottom

lines. That's reiterated by my many CEOs. The definitions of DE and I are not theoretical. They're actually used. Are yours? You have sides. I don't. I'm an entrepreneur and a capitalist. I look for results. That's why that's what I base my decisions on.

Every single person on Twitter could disagree with me. I would still follow the results I see in my portfolio. Chris, Jordan, you're running businesses, building a community and selling to it. This platform, meaning X, is a target-rich environment for you you sell hard as you should i respect your efforts i may vehemently disagree with your positions

but i respect entrepreneurial grind and always will but twitter is not reflective of the real world bottom line i'll keep stating my positions on here specifically because they're the opposite of yours elons and others i don't think this is a fair post i don't think chris and jordan are simply on the grind trying to build an audience that indites their motives that indicts why they hold their opinions not that they actually believe the cancer that is DEI. I think Mark is the one that's denying reality. Mark doesn't understand this even as it comes for him. D.E. and I are not customizable acronyms.

You don't get to make equity, equality. Why don't you get to make it? Because nobody else around you is doing so, and that's practical. That's not abstract. Everyone in your DEI department is running on the same premise as Jordan Peterson. Everyone in academia is running on the same premise that is Jordan Peterson. He understands the ideological batical lines, as do those activists. Your companies are not immune, and your customization is a head in the sand.

It does not reflect reality. And DEI is a cancer, to Peterson's point, that threatens not just the United States of America, but the foundational values of Western civilization. That might be a reality worth recognizing, that might be a reality worth fighting. Let's discuss this and the role of censorship and RFK Jr. With one of the lead surrogates for RFK, his senior advisor, Link Lauren, and the host of Stacey on the right on Sirius X-Im, Stacey Washington, with our lunch break panel.

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Is he and everyone else being censored and is cancer of DEI, something that's not even understood by RFK Jr.? Let's get into that with our lunch break panel. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at foxnews.com, the Fox News YouTube channel, and the Fox News Facebook page, always on demand at Wilcane Show.com. She is the host of Stacey on the right on SiriusXM. It is Stacey Washington. He's a senior advisor to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. He is Link Lorne.

They join us today on our lunch break panel on the Will Kane Show. Thanks, guys, for being here. Glad to have you. Thank you. I'll be back. You know, Link, I was just talking about Mark Cuban. I was talking about DEI. And I was talking about an exchange that he has had on X with both Chris Rufo and with Jordan Peters.

And Jordan Peterson had a long and fascinating post. response to Mark Cuban, which I just talked about here on the Will Kane show. In that, he brought up Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He talked about the risk that DEI runs essentially to Western civilization in defining people along the lines of race. He also talked about this is a very hard thing for even moderate liberals to understand the true risk and meaning of DEI. In it, he said that he has spoken to moderate Democrats, even Dean Phillips and RFK Jr. He asked them both. He asked them both. directly, and they have more reason on the left than most, having been once bitten twice shy. But he suggests even they don't understand DEI and the threat of DEI, Link.

So for me, I've always been a firm believer in a meritocracy. I mean, if you're going to have surgery, do you want the doctor who got into medical school because of DEI or the person who got in on their own merits? I also feel in a way it's a sort of racism to expect less of certain minorities right to lower thresholds. We should be building a society where everyone can flourish and just fixing the education system in general. So I've never been a fan of a DEI initiative. I also think DEI has been used and weaponized in so many ways in our society. So I'm all about merits and a merit-based society and not for DEI. And just to clarify, do you think that is something, an opinion that you just shared and an understanding that you just shared? There's a

difference between equality and equity. And there's a difference between equality of opportunity and a quality of outcome. Do you think that is understood by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.? Definitely. From my conversations with him, he wants everybody to succeed, but in a way that's fair and equitable. Stacey, what do you think? You think that society's at large, the conversation I just had here on the Will Cain Show, is that Mark Cuban, while I think he is individually being willfully ignorant and blind and attempting to customize his own definitions of DEI. I actually think in some ways he's also representative of normal people out there, maybe who aren't that into politics, who want to look, and I think in their own minds would say

this, look beyond race or grant everyone an opportunity. But I just think they don't understand that's not DEI. Yeah, well, it's interesting. I'm listening to Link and this mirrors so many conversations because I've actually sought out some individuals who happen to be black, who are minorities, other minorities to talk about DEI and to understand why they're proponents of it. And I universally get back that in their minds, these proponents of DEI, they're saying they want to level the playing field and make it possible for people to understand why not accepting other people based on their race or their characteristics is a bad thing and that it harms business. And that DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion, when applied properly to a workforce,

enables everyone within that workforce to set aside any preconceived notions and accept those team members in for the benefit of that corporation. But what we've seen in practice is that it doesn't work that way. DEI, when put into corporate settings, educational settings, any setting, it actually puts people at odds with each other. It creates division. And there's this thing that they've said with their own mouths, that blacks are always victims, whites are always oppressors, white people are animals. I watched a video today that I've forgotten I'd ever seen. It's a rotund woman. She's giving a briefing to a small group of people. All the people she's briefing are white. She's black. And she tells them you are actually animals because you're racist. And even if you're

working to be an ally, you can never get your humanity back. Now, I ask you, you know, I'm a parent. Our kids, I don't want my kids going into a classroom and being taught that no matter where they are, whenever they enter a space, they enter that space as a victim, that actually is detrimental to their ability to achieve in any environment that they would go into. So I keep hearing this from the proponents of DEI that they just want to eliminate the ability of people to just basically clamp down on other people based on their characteristics. But in practice, this is an effort that extends out of Marxism will. And Link expressed it perfectly there succinctly.

It is not workable within our meritocracy. Well, so real quick, Stacey, and for anyone listening on podcast and many are watching on YouTube. You're black. You have an access to a conversation within the black community, and I think a level of honesty that probably would escape a lot of people that are white. I mean, you're just having real conversations about this. And what I'm curious about is I think it was I recently had on, I don't want to misattribute this, but I think it was Marcellus Wiley, an old friend of mine from ESPN. And he said, I just simply read, you know, I just went to BLM. I just simply read what their mission statement was, you know. I just simply read

about the ideology behind DEI. And it's not hard. It's not like it's hidden. The advocates are open about the Marxist underpinnings, you know. But when you talk to people who aren't activists, Stacey, who are just real people out there who internalize it the way that you just described, I mean, is it like falling on deaf ears the way that Jordan Peterson is falling on Mark Cuban's deaf ears? Oh, you're being too political. That's not what it means. Oh, you're saying that.

But I actually think it just means these flowery things about equality. or is there any way to break through? Like, no, you have to understand. It's not hidden. Here's what they mean by DEI. So I do tend to get that initially. But as you go a little further in, I interviewed a man. His name is escaping me at the moment.

I can't believe this on the Wilcane podcast. I'm having a brain freeze. But he is a scientist, right? He's not a famous guy at all. He's not a part of the political class or pint of tree. He doesn't talk for a living. He actually researches for a living. And he was talking about how the NIH National Institute of Health has this new program.

And in it, in order to get funds from that program as a researcher, you have to check a box. You have to be a minority. Now, he recently found out about a decade ago that his father had passed for white as whole life. So he's actually partially of African-American extraction. So this program is targeted at him because he can say, I'm black. He can check that box and he will automatically get funding. But if he doesn't check it, even though his research is worthy of the funding, he can't get a penny. And he's upset about that because he also has experienced people thinking that he's in the space now that they know he's part black because he utilized affirmative action, which he did not.

He didn't find out he was black until after he'd already gotten his entire education out of the way. And this is something that goes on everywhere. I mean, there was a huge conversation. Did you see Charlie Kirk talking about how if he sees a black pilot, he automatically thinks, I hope he's not a DEI hire? Well, that's hugely insulting to black pilots who became pilots before DEI was ever. a thing. And then for people anywhere, any space, you think, oh, she's black. She's got a show on serious sex zone because they needed a black face. That's highly insulting to me. I've been doing radio for 14 years. And I actually, I was born to talk. I like hit the 50,000 words a day

when I was five years old. So I'm, I'm not here because of affirmative action. My boss will tell you why she chose me. It's not because I'm black. But DEI hurts people who are qualified, who belongs someplace, who earned it, because people automatically. assume you don't actually you didn't earn that and that's really rough to take oh I bet yeah I mean and by the way whatever Charlie Kirk said it's basically the same thing that was said by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas he said the same thing like affirmative action undercuts the merit of those that came through because it it layers on logically the presumption oh you didn't have to earn it in the same way that someone else did because you had some program

that advantaged you. I just want to move to this. I just want to know also real quick. Sure. If I could cut out, I was going to say, as someone from Dallas, you know, I've interacted with Mark Cuban. I know you're a Texas guy too well. You grew up in Sherman.

My brother went to college in Sherman. When did Mark Cuban become such a ridiculous character? I feel like he's become so cringe-worthy. And then also, like, with the Mavericks, you want to talk about DEI. Would Mark Cuban ever hire a player who was like five foot two? You know what I'm saying? Like, talk about DEI when it comes. to his team. I don't know. He's hiring people who are the best players, period. He's not lowering

his thresholds and hurting his bottom line. So I think he's a little bit hypocritical with all of this DEI stuff. So I don't know where we lost Mark Cuban along the way, but it is really funny to watch. No, you're right. And by the way, I live in Dallas now. And in a lot of ways, it's hard for me not to be a fan of Mark Cuban. I'm for at least a big chunk of it. I'm a big Mavericks fan and he's done a pretty good job although it's debatable at this point with the Mavericks and and so and when he first came out you know to your point of his change like he was kind of I remember him talking about Ayn Rand and some really like interesting political and logical thoughts and these kind of thing and now he's indistinguishable from the flag that people put in their yard the sign you know

in this home you know love is love and no person is illegal and you know the cliche Laid, left, you know, crackerjack box politics. He's indistinguishable from that. And I don't know. I don't know what changed with Mark Cuban. No, I'm not from Texas, but I'll just, I mean, I don't live there. I was actually born in Fort Hood, Texas. But I'm a Missourian now.

It's been 24 years. But I'll say, well, Link, I always have respected him from his time on Shark Tank. He was always one of the most interesting owners on Shark Tank when he would assess whether not to buy a business, he always used some of his business acumen and background to ascertain whether the product was even marketable. And then he would go in with these kind of vicious, like I'm taking 61%, but here's what you get out of the end of that. And I found him to be fascinating. So this new Mark Cuban, that's not my Mark Cuban. My Mark Cuban was back from the shark tank days. Right. Exactly. Link, I'm glad you're here. I want to put this to you.

So Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was on CNN earlier this week with Aaron Burnett, and here's how it went. Let's watch. I can argue that President Biden is because the First Amendment, Aaron, is the most important. Adams and Hamilton and Madison said, we put the guarantee of freedom of expression in the First Amendment because all of our other constitutional rights depend on it. If you have a government that can silence its opponent, it has license for any. atrocity. So just to be clear, you're saying you could make an argument that President Biden is a worse threat to democracy than Donald Trump. That's what you just said. But who else has ever tried to, who else has ever tried to send what president in history has ever tried to censor political opponents? He makes the argument link that yes, Joe Biden is a greater threat to democracy

than Donald Trump because Joe Biden undercuts the essential foundational element of this experiment, which is freedom of speech. Right. No, I feel like without the First Amendment, we have nothing else. I mean, that's one of the cornerstones of our entire campaign. That's part of the reason Bobby even got into the race was because he was being censored, right? And I think it's just so unconscionable to see the Biden administration allegedly colluding with big tech and social media companies to push down certain content, elevate other content. It's just really gross to see, especially from the president of the United States. But we could argue who's more of a threat to democracy all day long.

I also just think Joe Biden doesn't have the character to be president of the United States. Like I said the other day, I mean, this is a guy who authored the 1994 crime bill. This is a guy who said he didn't want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle. This is a guy who took over a year to go and visit East Palestine, Ohio. He's allowing the largest invasion ever at the southern border. This is complete dereliction of duty. So we could argue who's a greater threat and this and that. Joe Biden, we have to get him out of office come November.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And this is a guy. Talk about someone like Mark Cuban who's changed over time. You talk about Joe Biden's past positions. And this is a guy that now acknowledges trans day of visibility on Easter. By the way, and then denies it. So we don't know exactly who put out that tweet or who made that proclamation. But one thing I will say about Joe Biden is he'd rather have Dylan Mulvaney and these people come to the White House. He's had people like that come to the White House more and talk. trans people on the White House lawn, then he's had service members or military members. So we see he's more focused on identity politics. Right. He's more focused on identity politics, gender ideology, than family, faith, religion, all of these things that are the cornerstone of our society.

And I just don't think Joe Biden, even 10 years ago, would recognize that Joe Biden today. What do you guys think? No, definitely not. Stacey. Yeah. No, well, so he wouldn't. And Link, you were speaking my language. which I've done that rundown a million times.

I've memorized it. All the things Joe Biden has said about black people, right? I just focus on that because he's supposed to be so friendly. You ain't black. All of that stuff that he said about black Americans, that black women were stacking the shelves during COVID and enabling him to buy food as if he's been in a grocery store in the last,

I don't know how many years. Look, he's been in politics longer than we've been alive. And this is a thing that he does now. He just, he caters to the far left of their party. But I want to go back to something here. When we talk about who's doing what when it comes to censoring, shutting down descent, attacking political opponents, it was the moment of the campaign when then candidate Donald Trump was on the Washington University campus in St. Louis debating Hillary Clinton and he said, well, she'd be in jail in response to the question of what would happen if he were president. He then went on to spend four years not prosecuting Hillary Clinton, not prosecuting any of the Democrats who'd done wrong things. And now we have President Biden who never made any promises on the campaign trail. He's actually using the Department of Justice and other agencies to clamp down on political speech to attack pro-lifers and most importantly, to launch a campaign of terror upon the personhood of Donald Trump, who his opponent in the election this year. So I agree with you, Link.

And I think that Bobby, when he was talking on television about that, he kind of, it seems surprised the interviewer. I can't even believe, like, this is a woman who does politics for a living. How could she be surprised by what he said? The question itself was inane and nonsensical. Of course it's Biden. Of course it's the Democrats. This is their new, heavily weaponized Democrat Party in action against anyone who doesn't vote for them.

Right. And it's like, you want to talk about democracy. Joe Biden didn't even want to have a primary. He didn't want to have a debate. He's pretty much been hiding out. He never has unscripted conversation. So we want to talk about democracy. Joe Biden isn't even upholding the principles of his own party, you know,

pushing people off of ballots, trying to imprison his, political opponents. Even our campaign, you know, Barack Obama got secret service 551 days out from the election. You understand, we still don't have secret service and have requested so many times to Mayorkas and everybody. So this is totally the weaponization of these government agencies by Joe Biden. What is your understanding on why there's been no secret service assigned to Bobby Kennedy? Oh, we get no real reason. You either don't get a response to this. They say you're not a serious enough candidate. How are we not serious enough candidates? at this point. Let's be honest, they don't want to give a secret service because it validates

that we are serious candidates. You know, it's absolutely ridiculous. I also think the secret service thing is a way to bleed us of our campaign funds. They know we're going to have to pay for our own security and we need to use that money for ballot access. And they know that we're giving Joe Biden a run for his money. You know, Joe Biden, the DNC, they wanted a coronation. They did not want any competition. You know, they tried to push out Marianne Williamson, Dean Phillips. They tried to push us out. And that's just not what this country is about. Americans deserve to have a choice. I'm sorry they don't want people to have a choice.

They're pro-choice in every other area except for giving Americans a choice in the election. It's very bizarre. Well, to what both of you guys are saying, it's no surprise that Democrats and Joe Biden are guilty of the sins that they accuse others. You pointed out link all these different ways in which they are subverting democracy while saying that they are the protectors of democracy. It's no surprise they call everyone us a racist while embracing neo-racist politics. It is absolutely propaganda 101, accuse someone else of the sins, which you are committing. I think with that being said, get ready, because this is the theme of 2024. It will be the end of democracy.

That's going to be the overwhelming, you know, sort of fearmongering that we're going to be experiencing over the next couple of months. That and, to your point, is like, everybody's racist. You're not black if you don't vote for Joe Biden. If I could hop in, it's interesting. If you look at the focus group in polling, Republicans say their top issues are immigration, economy, housing, these kitchen table issues. Democrats are polling. Their top issue in these focus groups are threats to democracy. So Democrats know they have to paint Donald Trump and RFK Jr. as threats to democracy in order to get people to show up at the polls. The Democrats can't win on immigration. They can't win on the economy. They can try to gaslight us all day long that Bidenomics is working. We know Bidenomics isn't working. The only way the Democrats can win is by pitting everyone else as evil and horrible and deplorable. Which is why the GOP has to stay on message.

And so I'm, I, this is my favorite thing to talk about. So first of all, we are not sure. We can be sure of nothing at this point. But if there's one thing we know, it's that in November, we don't have any assurance that it will actually be Joe Biden who is facing Donald Trump and RFK. So what we have to do is we have to talk about what is what matters to Americans. You mentioned the kitchen table. I have to put 25 cents in a jar every time I mention it on the radio because we say it so much. But the fact is, people are dealing with some extraordinary circumstances, right?

Double-digit inflation. Groceries are 25% more than they were three years ago. And the worst of it is $11,400 spent more per year for the same lifestyle you lived under Trump. Only your raises haven't matched the inflation. So you're really in the negative even further than that. But the most important part of this is the Democrat policy is the open borders. It's not just Biden who's doing that. All of the Democrats are working in concert to keep the border open.

to keep our natural gas and energy industry under their boot, to disenfranchise Americans, to take away choice in elections like they're doing with RFK by not allowing him to run directly against Biden as a Democrat. So all of these things are Democrat policy. And what I'm talking about is the contrast between that and Republican policy, which is the opposite. It's what we saw during the Trump years and even more now that the party has fully turned into a populist environment that respects working people. If you make 500,000 or more, 65% of those people are actually voting for the Democrats. So just speak about who is for the little man and who's for the big man.

It's very clear. So, Link, I see you nodding along while Stacey talks, and I'm listening to you here today. And you sound like somebody that would vote for Donald Trump. I don't know what your voting history is in the past or where your political positions differ from someone who would describe themselves as a conservative. But how do you find yourself as a senior advisor then and championing RFK Jr.? here. Well, it's a really interesting story because I started covering politics on TikTok in the spring. So I would make these videos breaking down the election and what was going on in the political arena. And then a bunch of campaigns started reaching out. So the Kennedy campaign reached out and

said, we'd love for you to come and film with Bobby. And then Vivek Ramoswamy said, you want to come to Iowa, we can film. So I love Babake. I love his whole team. And then it sort of was a cascade from there. And then this fall, the R&C, invited me to come and cover the debates. And I'm incredibly grateful for them. And then around October, the Kennedy campaign reached out and said, would you like to come work for us? You can have a seat at the table, be an equal partner and everything. And I said, of course, I mean, who at my age would turn down a chance to be a part of the political process and have a seat at the table? Well, and I'm curious then, again, I don't know your personal politics beyond what

you've shared with us today. But like, I've said this on this program. There's a lot that I like about Bobby Kennedy. There's a lot. And I think that a lot that's happening to him is wrong, but it never escapes me. He is a liberal. Like, he does, I don't know where, you know, I'd love for him to come on my show, but talk about where we might differ. It sounds like we don't differ on free speech. We have a lot of overlap on COVID. We probably have differences of opinion on climate change. So, like, what is it about him and his politics that appeal to you? I mean, I'm not wrong, right? I mean, he is a liberal. Well, he did leave the Democratic Party, and I'd love for you to have him come on and have a whole long conversation.

There's no one who's a better advocate for RFK Jr than RFK Jr. All I can say is, I've gotten to know this man. He has the character, the grit, the determination. He's a very honorable man, and I love working for him and working with him. Yeah, I believe all that to be true. Yeah, I definitely believe all that to be true. And I'll say this too. I mean, I have friends who work on Trump's team, and they say incredible things about Trump. So I'm not knocking Trump whatsoever. You know, I'm saying, but I was offered a chance to work on this campaign and be a part of the political process. And I feel so humbled and grateful even to be here, if that makes sense. Yeah. I, I just can add that, of course, he has Will. He has Angela Stanton King working for him and she's a pro-lifer. She actually runs a pro-life home for women who are having unexpected pregnancies. He is actually a supporter of abortion up until, you know, right before birth,

but he has moderated on some of the policy around his abortion stance because of Angela Stanton King's work on the campaign, I would just love to see him move firmly into the pro-life Democrat category because there are at least 24 million Democrats who are pro-life who don't have a home with the Democrats any longer. And they could be a part of this coalition of independence that now Bobby Kennedy is leading. And so I'd love to see him do that. But for me, a lot of these other issues that he's on the left on, I would expect that because he was recently a Democrat. He's an independent that he's a Republican. But there are some things that to me transcend, like the ability to be alive to not be snuffed out in the womb because of the

inconvenience of your parents. That's something I think if he feels it's right to have bodily autonomy with the vaccines, then he should feel that human beings that happen to be living in their mom's womb for a short, defined period of time should have the right to live just as much as I have the right not to be injected with a vaccine I don't want to take. So I'd love, you guys can have that combo. I'll watch and retweet. Look, that's the first. Okay. You know, here's my want to have the convo. And I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to force you link or him into the false dichotomy that American politics has been forced for quite some time. I don't care if he's a Republican. I don't care what his political party identification is. I don't think it fits anymore. I don't think the spectrum of left to right that we have been taught over the past half a century is the one that exists in America today. I don't think the issues fit. You know, and I, you know, if he's an independent, that's awesome all it does is put it kind of like i do think he should show up on the will cane show i do think he should expound upon all of his views because that it's not just as a personal

plug i i think that someone how about this that unique who's not willing to accept politics as a crackerjack box of here's the way it is and i'm selling you a pre-packaged um you know litany of issues should really expound upon where he is on all of the issues you know what i mean, if he's independent on all these, then I want to hear it. To Stacey's point, let's talk about life. To my point, let's talk about climate change. You know, I want to hear more about some of the stuff that he doesn't often talk about. Yeah, it's interesting. When he goes on all these shows, they only want to talk to him about vaccines. And he's like, I'd love to talk about a myriad of other things. But whenever he goes on a mainstream network, let's be honest, like MSNBC or CNN, a lot of

the times, they always want to say, you're an anti-Bax conspiracy theorist. And they want to fill up the whole segment with vaccine stuff. And he's like, I would love to talk about all these other platforms and issues. And so I will definitely call him up, Will and I'll tell him to get on the Will Kane show. But yeah, they lack diversity of thought, Link. The interviewers lack diversity of thought, like, as Biden would say. Yes. You know, I think that's an interesting conversation because I don't know anything about Bobby Kennedy's views on,

let's say, the war in Ukraine detailed, you know, what would he do if he were the president? How would he stop that war? and also the nonsense about calling for a ceasefire when hostages still exist six months in in Gaza. So there are a lot of great conversations to be had, but on MSNBC, NBC, ABC, we see the host talking about maybe four things. We hate Trump, Trump's a criminal, and then maybe vaccines with Kennedy, but they never discuss it with anyone else.

They would never have anyone else on to discuss it to present a regular person point of view or even a dissenting point of view that is different from the one that Kennedy possesses and the one that Trump possesses. So there's more thought out there, but it's hard to get it in the mainstream, like, discourse. It's hard to get it there. Well, even for me in the last year, people ask me all the time, they're like, why are you always going on Fox or Fox News? It's like, I can actually speak my mind.

Conservative media is so much more accepting of just having open conversations and honoring the First Amendment. You think like when I went and did something with NBC, I did not have a good time. It was horrible. When I go on Fox, it's always an amazing time. And so it's just interesting, these liberal stations. They're almost like state-run media you would see in some of these other countries like Russia and places like that. You know, MSNBC is just going to peddle pro-Joe Biden talking points all day long till Jin Saki is blue in the face or Joy Reid.

And then Joy Reid will say one thing on camera. And when she thinks that camera's off, say a whole complete opposite. So we can have that conversation later too, right? Yeah, well, I'll chime in. Will, all of us love coming on to Fox. That's one of my favorite things to do. We all do. I'll come on pretty much any time. The only time I ever turn them down.

is if I'm on vacation and we have a no appearance rule for me while I'm on vacation because I get asked a lot. Whenever we go to Florida, people call me and ask me to come on television and my husband's like, can you not take a week off? And so that's the only time I say no. But yeah, Fox is fun. There's more openness there for you to express yourself than there is if you go on MSNBC or the other. Exactly. Like the other morning I had to get up at 3 a.m. to do Fox and Friends first. And I was so honored to be invited on because MSNBC or these networks, they're not going to invite me on to talk about the Kennedy campaign. They don't want to platform him. I'm shocked. Aaron Burnett gave him a full 30 minutes. I mean, he took up most of the hour to talk about his

platform. So I was actually really shocked by that, and to be frank. Well, I think it's reflective of a confidence of a point of view. In other words, if you're confident in what you believe, then you should be able to, or what you know, you should be able to confront something that tells you something different, you know. And so we're happy to have both of you here on the Wilcane show. So even if we had that conversation. Even if we had Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on. There's no guarantee that the public would see it. So this is something going on and link you're heavily involved in social media. First of all, you guys probably know this. I don't know if everybody listening knows this.

In order on Instagram or Facebook for you to get political content now, you have to opt in. My friend Katie Pavlitz did something on this recently. You got to go into your settings and go down and find content filters where you are opted out of receiving political content. So, you know, you just won't see that conversation with RFK on those two platforms. And I don't even know on Facebook if you can opt in, because they'll still turn it down. I can speak to personal experience that political videos on Facebook are receiving minimal traffic right now. A live show like ours is doing really well, but any type of clip will be purposefully turned down. And then there was an article that just came out about YouTube.

And YouTube has a whole new program where they plan to do something similar. and it's not just as something that runs a foul of their policies, but things that come close to their borders, to their policies, will be de-emphasized. And their thing is, like, reward. They have, like, three R's and a C. And the R's are, like, you're going to reward content you like, and you're going to reduce content you don't like.

And, you know, to Stacey's point earlier, like, whether not the government is incentivizing this or cajoling them behind the scenes, and we know that's history, but by their own choice as well, you're just not getting it. You're not going to get a full point of view anymore, even on the internet, Link. Yeah, I mean, that's why I'm so happy someone like Elon Musk bought Twitter, so you can actually speak your mind.

And I know Mark Cuban's very upset about that. He's very upset that now we can have free speech in the First Amendment on Twitter. But social media really is the only place you can circumvent the mainstream media. So it's very disheartening when you see, like, YouTube and Facebook, suppressing certain content, prioritizing others, and we never hear Joe Biden speak out about this. He's supposed to be the president of the United States, and he won't even honor the Constitution and the First Amendment.

Yeah. Stacey, I mean, people talk a lot about, you know, legacy media, you know, Fox or Series X-M would fall under that, even though it's satellite radio, you know. But you're on. I'm on. And as much as I appreciate the Internet and Elon Musk and then much as I appreciate X, I do wonder every time I upload something, not on X, but every time I upload something anywhere else, I'm like, wow, who's going to control who gets to see this? Yeah, I think it's just as you've described here, and they're admitting it so we can go ahead and take that to the bank since they're now, they're unabashedly saying, look, we've got to influence this election.

We're running a guy who doesn't know what day it is. He doesn't know when his son passed away. He's got dementia. So we've got to help him. We got to help this man. And it's the force of all evil, Trump, who's running against him. So, of course, they have to do something. It would be immoral not to. But I saw a story about an unsealed document. It's from a legal group that's representing advertisers who are suing Facebook for basically something similar here. Only it was a deep partnership that they had with Netflix. Reed Hastings was then CEO of Netflix and he was on the board of meta, which is Facebook's parent company.

And for the decade he was there, he was creating a. a relationship where they shared their machine learning, artificial intelligence, and Titan API, using that to transfer data, my personal messages, because I didn't have messenger, but I was a friend of people who did, so my messages were shared as well. They had biweekly reports going to Netflix, and in exchange, Netflix spent about $100 million a year towards the end of that relationship, basically on advertising. And so other advertisers were placed at a disadvantage so that they could use their preferred partner, which was one of their board members. So, It's kind of, it's a messy relationship.

And as I was reading that story, I realized this is the 18th instance of Facebook violating their compact with users that they would give us a chance to opt in or opt out of the sharing of our data. So will, I say, you know, first of all, there's nothing new under the sun. It's not a shock that YouTube is now admitting this.

But when you upload something and you have no confidence that will be seen, when I send a message and I have to make sure it's as clean as possible, and I'm pretty boring. I'm sending messages with babies dancing in it. But still, I don't think other people should have the right to read my messages just because I'm using Facebook. So the question is, will we continue to use it? When you talk about your platform here, when you talk about the ability to get views,

why would we not go to a preferred place to see things that we want to look at? And that would now be X, right? That would be the everything app that Elon Musk is quickly ramping up into our lives. Why would you stay on Facebook if you know that they're going to violate your privacy when you can have the freedom from that over on X? And that's going to be the decision that people are making in the future going forward. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

and I know the answer, by the way, because that's where the biggest number of people are. You know, they're on Facebook. They're on YouTube, but you're exactly right. I mean, what's the point if it doesn't matter how many people there are if none of them get to see your stuff? You know, so you're exactly right. And the market, and on the plus side, the market will sort that out. It should on both the consumer side and on both the producer side and the demand side,

the consumer side. All right. Link, Lauren, senior advisors to market. Where can we find you on social media? media link you just talked about how they the campaigns discovered you how can we discover you on social media so you can find me on twitter tic-tok instagram just type in link loren and thank you so much for having me will hopefully we can come back on and talk about more fun topics but everything's so doom and gloom today serious i'll make that promise to you i know i was like this is a fun podcast

everybody's like it's going to be fun going to will cane show and it's like why is he still on and i'm like oh my god have fun you guys all right next time next time look i burned up all my content this week talking about perfect match on Netflix, which I binged, and my favorite cities in the United States. So yeah, I did rein it back into a little more seriousness today. But next time, Link, next time. And Stacey Washington, Stacey on the right on Sirius XM. Yeah, on all my social media, it's all the same. Stacey on the right, you can find me there and follow. And I do have fun Instagram. My hobby is interior design, so you can see my maximalist situation I have going on. It's French country. And maximum

because I've been all over the world, and I've been to France four times. And so my house looks like that. That's my actual house. People always ask me, is that your place? I'm like, yeah, that's where I actually live. I broadcast from here. Well, bonjour. Bonjour, Stacy.

Nice to meet you, too. Nice to meet you, Lancash. All right, guys, next time we talk about perfect match. Thanks for being on the Wilcane show. Thank you. All right. Are coming up, who's got it best? It's pretty good in Dallas right now.

It's really good in Dallas right now. And both NC State and Yukon are in the final four for the men's and women's NCAA tournament. But who's had it the best? That's coming up on The Will Cain Show. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast. Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. Or wherever you download podcasts.

It's pretty good in Dallas. It's pretty good if you're a fan of the Wolfpack, North Carolina State. It's pretty good if you're a husky, a fan of Yukon. And it's pretty good if you're a fan of Alabama. But is it the best? It's the Will Cain Show streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News, Facebook page, and always on demand. We just got done talking with Stacey Washington and Link Lauren about that so much.

in digital media is turned down. Well, in order to protect yourself from something never reaching your attention, you just have to subscribe. You consciously opt in, and I hope you will do so to the Will Cane Show on Apple or on Spotify or on YouTube. You hit subscribe, and you don't have to worry about it when not they'll turn you down. It will show up right in to your feed. Last week here on the Wilkane show, I talked about Dallas. Pretty good right now. I mean, three straight, 12, and five seasons, even if it meets playoff failure for the Dallas Cowboys. A World Series championship for the Texas Rangers.

Dallas Mavericks on a hot streak where it all seems to be coming together for Kyrie Irving and Luca Donchich, where they seem to be safely in the NBA playoffs, and most are projecting them to make a run, which they did just two years ago to make it to the 2022 Western Conference finals. And the Dallas stars are one of the best teams, in the NHL, a legit contender for the Stanley Cup.

Now, how often do you have all four of your teams, not just playoffs, but contenders? How often is everything this good, and is it the best? Well, right now for fans of Yukon Huskies and the North Carolina State Wolfpack, it's pretty good. Both the men's and women's teams are in the final four of the NCAA tournament. weekend. So if you're in a basketball and you go to NC State, you go to Yukon, you got a fun weekend ahead of you. It's probably only outdone by the Alabama Crimson Tide who were in the final four of the men's tournament and were just in the final four of the college football playoff. Being good at both football and basketball at the same time, that's got to be about as

good as it gets. So who's had it the best? And the answer to that, I think if you look at survey of history is pretty clear. Man, if you went to the University of Florida from 2005 to 2009, you had it. You had four national titles and the two biggest sports. Florida, national champions in football in 06 and 08. National champions in basketball in 06 and 07. If you were there during that time, you had three straight years of national championships. And on one of those, you had two in one season in 2006.

That's about as good as I think it can get. Like, I don't see it being better. Most of the time, a football school is not a basketball school. If they are, they're not a national championship level. Ohio State's been good at both. You know, Michigan's been good at both. But not at the same time, not football up, basketball up. It's usually one or the other.

It made me even wonder, hey, is North Carolina State a basketball? basketball school? I mean, they do have some national championships under their belt. I think it's two for North Carolina State. And they never really done a whole lot in football, but I've never thought of North Carolina State as a basketball school. But nobody's had it better than if you were at Florida there, 06, 07, 08. That's about as good as it gets. And unfortunately, for me, when it comes to pro sports, whatever's happening in Dallas right now, and maybe we're at the front end, unless the Cowboys are at the tail end. It just doesn't come close to an absurdly good, and no one wants to hear about it because these people always tell you about

it run of people from Boston from 2002 to 2019. 17 years of this. And let's just take a minute to realize how good it was up there. All right, starting in 2002, you have the New England Patriots Super Bowl champions in 2002. That very same year, World Series champion Boston Red Sox. The next season, Super Bowl champion New England Patriots. They skip a year. In 2007, they have the Boston Red Sox World Series champion. In eight, Boston Celtics, NBA champions. A little bit of a dry spell then for Boston.

They had to wait a whole three years before the Boston Bruins won the Stanley Cup. Then in 13, it's back to the Red Sox. 15 and 17, two more Patriots Super Bowls, 18, back to the Red Sox, 19, back to the Patriots. So what is that? In 17 years, that's 4, 8, 12 championships for the city of Boston. I don't think anybody's ever been on that kind of heater. No fan base could be more spoiled, more entitled. Celebrate more parades, more championships.

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