Will Cain Country - Mark Halperin & Bobby Burack: Grading President Trump's First 100 Days, Plus Bill Belichick's Disastrous Interview

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Story #1: Will grades the First 100 Days of President Donald Trump's second term. Were promises kept? Story #2: Who is next up for Democrats in 2028? Is Vice President J.D. Vance a lock to be the Republican nominee in 2028? A conversation with Editor-in-chief of 2WAY and Host of 'Next Up with Mark Halperin,' Mark Halperin.  Story #3: How does it keep getting worse for Bill Belichick as more comes out about his disaster interview? Are the NBA Playoffs watchable and ratable? A conversation with Outkick Columnist, Bobby Burack. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, grading the first hundred days of the presidency of Donald Trump. Two, who's next up for Democrats, but also who's next up for Republicans with the host of Next Up, Mark Cowper. Three, it just gets worse for Bill Belichick. Now reports are that Jordan Hudson interrupted for 30 minutes in his interview with C. and then stormed out, expecting, trailing along behind her would be Bill Belichick. Without kicks, Bobby Burak. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time.

Jump right into the comments section. Hang out with a. every day. Become a member of the community. Become a member of the Wallitia. Subscribe on Spotify or Apple if you're listening on Terrestrial Radio on one of the three dozen stations across this great United States of America and listen to the Will Kane show on your schedule. Again, at Spotify or on Apple. Big show for you today with Mark Halpern, political analyst and insider for many years covering many administrations who has a brand new show up entitled Next Up with Red Seat Ventures and Fox News, where we can talk to Mark about the inside machinations of the White House under Donald Trump, but also who's next up for Democrats and

Republicans? And the story just keeps getting worse for Bill Belichick leads to an obvious question. How many times in your life have you been whipped? Was it ever by someone that could have been your granddaughter? We're going to break that down with Bobby Burak. We got tinfoil, Pat, young establishment, James, and two a days, Dan. We got some housekeeping and schedule to keep in order. Coming up in August, we have the New York City Navy SEAL swim, which I've once again committed. It's time to get in the gym, and I'm incredibly inconsistent.

Had a nice workout yesterday morning. Stayed up late and watched the stars wallop the avalanche. Didn't make it to my morning workout. But the day is not yet over. It's time to get in the pool, and I got a group of guys from Dallas who are going to be joining me, who have at least suggested they're going to be joining me on the New York City Navy SEAL swim. I tried to explain. You needed to start training six months ago.

Is that it? If you're not a swimmer. Oh, not a swimmer. Oh, not a marathon. Not a swimmer, not a marathon, meaning you can't pull over to the side of the road. You drown if you're not in shape to swim. I think I'm a kayak. So I'm very nervous.

I'm very nervous to bring some of the guys along. who didn't grow up swimmers that's in august we'll make sure that's a part of the will can't show maybe even part of you uh the willisha speaking of dallas on may 8th from the odyssey showrooms in dallas will be a live event for this digital version of the will cane show we'll have an in studio audience you can get your tickets at krld dot com some of the boys will join us here like two a days dan in dallas and we want you to join us as well so make sure you check out where to get tickets at the Odyssey Show room in Dallas for that live show with KRLD. It will air nation wide.

We'll be posting on stream right here. Social too. At Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook, you can find your tickets at the social at Will Kane Show. Also on the schedule, for me, haircut. Can't keep up with the haircuts these days, but two days Dan is. He's got high and tight. He's got a skin fade.

He's got what we called yesterday an alt-right haircut. And apparently, mom, who watches and listens to. to the Will Cane show was a little bit taken aback by your style. Yeah, because I've done the fade before, and she's like, it's a little like, you know, new agey for me and whatever. And she watched the show yesterday. She goes, Daniel, what's an alt-right haircut? I don't understand that. I was just like, you know what?

The funny thing is, don't worry about it. The alt-right haircut is also melded in to the Brooklyn hipster haircut. And you have a lot of Brooklyn hipster. to you, and so I think you would fit right in with the Brooklyn brunch crew, throw a flannel on some type of quasi-work boot, and you could either masquerade as alt-right or Brooklyn hipsters. Scuff them up. All right, so we've got Mark Halper and Bobby Burrack sitting on deck, but let's get to grading the first 100 days of the presidency of Donald Trump with story number one.

Two A's, a B, an incomplete, trending toward a D. the presidency of Donald Trump at the outset has been absolute action 142 executive orders 17 nationwide injunctions in response to those 142 executive orders 139,000 deportations, 26 hostages released, five legislative or resolutions passed under the presidency of Donald Trump. It's been a flurry. It has been action. and that has made it very hard for Democrats to keep up. Hysteria largely, but chaos and incoherence in response, the strategy of the Trump presidency has clearly been to never look backwards, always press forward. So what has been accomplished on some of the four biggest goals? The promises made, promises kept under Donald Trump.

Let's walk through them together with analyzation of tariffs, foreign policy, Doge, and most notably, immigration. One, immigration. The numbers for immigration under President Donald Trump are absolutely incredible. There's no other way to frame that other than they are absolutely incredible. In a single day under President Biden, there were 8,966 crossings, 4,832 of them released into the United States. under Trump, 7,200 crossings in the entire month of March. Only nine of them released into the United States since January 20th.

Let's talk about the fall on some of these border crossings over time. Last September, you saw almost 54,000 crossings. In October, that dropped to 56, in November 46, December, 47,000 crossings. Then the presidency of Donald Trump. In January, 29,000 crossings. In February, 8,300 crossings. In March, 7,300 crossings. Since 2022, illegal border crossings have fallen to a brand new low.

In January of 2022, there's 186,000. In March of 2025, it stated 7,000 crossings. The numbers are absolutely staggering. it has been a complete success. But this has left Democrats completely at a loss as to what to do. Former First Lady Michelle Obama has said she stays up at night, worried about the deportations, worried about the people who are concerned about what's happening in their home. For context, under Donald Trump so far, 139,000 people have been deported.

5.3 million people were deported. under president Barack Obama. They don't know what to do. So they respond with hysteria. They respond with Kimmer-brego-Garcia. They respond with two-year-olds, four-year-olds and seven-year-olds, being deported.

That was the story over the weekend. It was pushed back on by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. He and ICE director, Tom Homan, pointed out, no children are being deported. An illegal immigrant mother will be deported. and she will be left with the choice of what to do with her children, but is their choice to take their children along with them. That detail is largely left out of the story from the mainstream media.

Here's a great illustration of that. Charlemagne the God, the host of the Breakfast Club in New York City, in talking with someone about that particular story of the deportation of two-year-olds. You know what, Morgan, I did not know until you said it about the two-year-old. I mean, I knew about the two-year-old getting deported, but all the news reports just kept saying that a two-year-old got deported. I didn't know that the mother had got deported because she wasn't a citizen. I didn't know that.

You wouldn't know that if you listen to mainstream media because you get hysteria and talking points. Listen to the way they've all morphed into one voice now when it comes to deportations and illegal immigration. We begin tonight with the escalation in the president's crackdown on illegal immigration. Today's dramatic escalation in the Trump administration's conflict with, judges. The Trump administration signaling a major escalation in its deportation efforts. Today an escalation in the Trump administration's battle with the judiciary. Tensions between local and federal authorities over President Trump's immigration crackdown escalated today. We begin this hour with a major escalation of the Trump administration's

crackdown in immigration. We begin with Democrats know not what to do except to respond in unison with hysteria. But when it comes to immigration, the American people are very happy. Polls suggest the way that Donald Trump has handled immigration has been an absolute success. And it is, as true was said during the state of the union, we didn't need a bipartisan, comprehensive bill. We needed a new president. That idea has been something that has held immigration reform off for years, that we have to package it all together, what to do with the existing illegal immigrants versus keeping out new illegal immigrants. All you needed was a president dedicated to shutting down the border.

On immigration, Donald Trump, an A-plus. Tariffs, on the other hand, are an incomplete story. So far, the news is 17 countries are prepared to negotiate with the United States of America on new trade deals. The diagnosis and plan from Scott Besson makes a ton of cent, the way to rebuild American manufacturing to, in the short term, bring in tariff revenue. in the long term, phase out tariffs or implement new deals with countries that are better for the

United States of America. But that plan seems to have been executed in at least a haphazard fashion, somewhat ad hoc. Talk of raising tariffs, dropping tariffs. It's expected later today that Donald Trump's going to talk about lowering tariffs on autos, which were implemented. He's even hinted at unilaterally dropping the 145% tariff imposed upon China. The markets have teeter-tottered up and down in response to a sense of uncertainty on how to proceed in this economy. In fact, that was something talked about on American Newsroom with Dana Perino and Maria Barteromo. And it is true.

It is absolutely true. Market CEOs, companies, they don't plan out six months ahead. They don't plan out 12 months ahead. They plan out years ahead on major purchases, innovations, and investments. And right now, they live in a climate of uncertainty. And I think that it's one thing as a. consumer to say I'll be able to accept the pain, but the small and medium-sized business owner who right now are looking at the possibility of losing everything that they've worked for

in the next four to six weeks is very real. And those aren't the people that are like rich people that are like, who cares about them? These are people that are really worried. They're trying to hold on. They are. Many of them did support him, voted for him. But right now, I think it's a question. Tonight, they've already mentioned, they're going to start doing something little different on foreign imports on automobiles and he'll be doing that in michigan because the pain might not be something you can sustain they have a they have to give us a longer runway in order to do this appropriately the host of mornings with maria maria barteromo talks to CEOs all the time she laid out that what the economy needs a certainty and what how it exists today is a climate of

uncertainty she said she spoke to the president over this past weekend told him he needs to establish some level of certainty there is i believe a long-term vision. And that gives a sense of confidence. It's always laid out well by Scott Besson, but right now the execution of that vision doesn't seem to match the grand plans. At a minimum, this grade for tariffs is incomplete. And while one can support the long-term vision, the short-term implication and the short-term execution, you would have to think is somewhere around a C or a D. We'll see how it evolves over time, and we won't judge things on the short term. But let's hope this C or D doesn't force the hand of the administration into dropping

their long-term plan because that would mean the tariffs ended up as an F. Strategic uncertainty is a value when it comes to foreign policy. Right now, there is talk that Vladimir Zelensky and Vladimir Putin are headed towards potentially some type of plea deal, some type of peace deal. President Trump talked about ending the war in Israel and Gaza in the short term. Again, he has had great influence on what's happened over that country. More concerningly, there is a bit of a war drum being beat when it comes to Iran. How seriously are we talking about ensuring there is no nuclearization in Iran? Are we talking about kinetic warfare? I think Donald Trump's strategic uncertainty is an asset, perhaps not when it comes to the economy, but when it comes to foreign policy.

Keep the world leaders guessing. Keep them bending to your will. Keep the outcome and your upper hand hidden until you can approximate yourself to a win. Right now, I would say on foreign policy, we're looking at a B. And then there is Doge. I think Doge is one of the major programs under this administration, and it's a valuable one. There are people that have pointed out, right now the numbers for Doge, savings as reported, are somewhere between 160 billion and 190 billion. of course that's a drop in the bucket that's not much when you consider that Elon Musk and

Scott Besson have talked about cutting at least a trillion dollars from the budget that's going to have to happen through the legislative process so some have said this is not amounting to much I disagree I think Doge is needed and I think it is a good start if you saw the interview with the Doge executives sitting down with Brett Baer on Fox News it'll give you great faith in the competence of the people executing, analyzing, and executing Doge. While $160 billion may be a start,

it's a necessary start. And we hope that it continues, even after we see maybe exiting from the stage, Elon Musk. I think when it comes to Doge, even the spirit of it, the competency of it, and the execution of it,

I give it an A, and I hope that it continues in the same path in the same vein that it exists today. two a's a b and an incomplete that's the grades through the first hundred days of the trump presidency how's it going inside the administration and what's next not just for democrats which receives a lot of attention but what's next for republicans could it be trump 2028 we break it down with the host of next up mark alprin on the will cane show for a limited time at mcdonalds enjoy tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown

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and has been around the political landscape for quite some time. The host of Next Up, Mark Halpern, who joins me now. What's up, Mark? Mr. Kane, honored to be here. Congratulations on all your success. And like you, I'm in the widget content production business. So happy to add another piece of content to my arsenal. And you've been growing it.

I've been keeping up with what you. you've been doing first on a few other television stations, then into the independent media forum. You've always been an interesting and fascinating voice when it comes to politics, Mark. So I'm really, really happy to have you here on the show. You've got your first episode with Next Up, which is coming out today. As I understand it, your first guest, Senator Ted Cruz. Did you ask the senator, are you running for president in 2028? Well, my policy is to try to ask no questions they've ever been asked before. And of course, he gets asked that all the time.

I did ask him is who does he think would be formidable for the Democrats if they nominated them in 2028? So I've known him since he worked for the Bush campaign in 2000. And he's a very keen analyst of American politics and presidential politics, including, of course, having run before in 2016. So I asked him for next up, if the Democrats, who would could the Democrats nominate that you would say, wow, that's formidable. That's the kind of person who could beat us in a general election. And without giving away the episode, which I'm sure we'll have much more analysis, who did he say would be formidable as a Democrat? Well, I'll tell you, one of the people, he gave three names. One of the names he gained was Governor Shapiro, Pennsylvania.

It's interesting because he subscribes the view that a lot of Republicans do, which is anyone like Governor Shapiro, who would be moderate enough, centrist enough to win a general election, would have trouble winning the nomination. And he believes, and this was his quote of core analysis, that the party is still so controlled by the left, and they will be in 2028, that the Democrats are going to have a hard time nominating anybody who can win a general election. Mark, a little bit later today on my 4 o'clock show at the Fox News channel, I'll be interviewing James Carvel. Now, James has been, of course, everybody knows James Carvel. He's been around for a long time, integral to the election of Bill Clinton to the presidency. He's been

real vocal. He's been talking about the problems on the left and within Democrats. He's been talking about the problem, as you mentioned, of the far left in controlling the populist voice, the media messaging, the energy, the enthusiasm for Democrats. But I don't know, like you just said, Cruz mentioned, I don't know that James can win this war. If it's James Carville versus AOC, I'm afraid James loses that to AOC. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, James, the first presidential campaign I covered full time was the Clinton campaign. And James had a, had a thoroughbred candidate. Bill Clinton in 1992 was dealing with the Democratic Party that was not nearly as far left as it is now, but was still pretty far left. And Bill Clinton said, unapologetically, I'm going to win the nomination.

And I'm going to be a stronger general election candidate because I support the death penalty. I support right to work laws. I support welfare reform. I support fiscal discipline. I support free trade. These were all things that the Democratic Party, not just opposed, but opposed strongly. So James's theory of the case is informed greatly by that experience. the problem is, is there a horse like Bill Clinton?

Is there someone with the political skill to say, as Bill Clinton did, I'm a Democrat by history, heritage, and inclination? But my party's gone too far to the left. I don't know that that person exists. It's a big challenge because, as you correctly said, as James, I believe, thinks as well, right now, as Senator Cruz told me for next up, right now all the energy and passion and force in the party

is coming from the far left, and they're not interested in this interest nominee. so let's play the game of who could be that clintonesque horse and you and i'll just try to brainstorm it together here are the names that you hear most often of who could have a wide appeal general election audience okay i'm not suggesting they will but this is the closest that it comes probably for democrats you've got pete buddhajuch you've got joshapiro i think setting aside the aesthetics of it perhaps john fetterman um i don't take anything for granted anymore i think that, you know, we shouldn't even blow off Stephen A. Smith. I think I'm not here to compare

Stephen A. Smith to Donald Trump. I think the comparison is actually laughable. But what the lesson of Donald Trump is just don't be condescending. Don't think that it has to be some inside the tent political horse. So that's why I include Fetterman, by the way. And you know who's kind of interesting lately, Mark? I'm not sure what she's doing. And we'll see the past she continues to go. But Gretchen Whitmer. She is at least open to least some. I mean, I mean, she did put the folder up in front of her face when she was in the Oval Office, but there's this talk of this base in Michigan, this military base in Michigan, that Trump's going to work together with her on to keep open.

She's just open to being open to Donald Trump in some ways, which makes her interesting. Yeah, although, well, I don't know how much longer we can say she's open because of the folder. That folder spoke volumes. Everybody you listed has so little experience on the national stage, with the possible exception of Pete Buttigieg. And I say that not just in terms of media or politics, but also policy. This is a difficult thing to win a nomination. And if you look historically at people not just who won the White House, but who've won the nominations of their party,

they've typically spent decades being involved in what I call the conversation. And you look at somebody like Donald Trump, who people say, well, he was an outsider. That proves you don't need to be involved. As you well know, he was involved, not as a politician, but as a businessman and as a magnet for media, he was speaking about trade, American, you know, how government should work, about manufacturing, about foreign policy. He was playing at a very high level. And he is, he is, as I say, often, he's the second most gifted presidential candidate I've seen after Bill Clinton. These folks who you name have nothing like that. Now, could they defy history and despite the absence of decades toiling at the high pressure level and become the nominee and maybe win a general election? I suppose they could, but I don't see any evidence for it. Second most talented politician to Bill Clinton, whenever you analyze Donald Trump,

it's impossible to escape the framework of either sycifancy or hatred. You're automatically put into that box. But what I'm going to say to you is this. are dealing with a unicorn, an absolute once-in-a-generation type of politician in Donald Trump. In some ways, there will be very few lessons to take away from Donald Trump because no one else is Trump. So what I was going to say to you is this, it sounds like sycophancy, but I think it's just accurate diagnosis. I think he's probably the most talented politician, at least in my lifetime. I can't speak to because I wasn't around the media atmosphere of John F. Kennedy.

You know, I was around for Bill Clinton. But the way that Trump Trump did something that Clinton never did, which, well, you made a little bit of an argument that he did, but the landscape was so different. He redefined the Republican Party, totally in his own image. And now with his second term, is going about redefining America. I mean, I gave the tariffs an incomplete grade and said it could be trending towards a D. But if it's pulled off in the long-term vision of Scott Bessent, it's an A-plus. It's incredible. It's revolutionary. And I just think all that adds up to probably the most talented politician if my lifetime counts of a half century. Yeah. Well, I agree with, I agree with your analysis of the tariffs, although I tweak it from a D to an F. If it really goes badly, it's going to be worse than a D. It's going to be just cataclysmic. But I choose to wait. Look, I'm not a spokesman for President Trump. I'm not an apologist for him. I'm just an analyst. And I don't think it's it's kind of slavishly praising him to just say what, in my experience,

is true. I've covered Bill Clinton in over 40 states, Donald Trump in over 30 states, watch them with real people, watch them give speeches and interviews and press conferences and tour factories, etc. I don't think he's quite as good as Bill Clinton for a variety of reasons, but they both did something that you correctly pointed out. They both changed their party fundamentally. They both said to the party, I'm not, I'm going to, I'm going to convince you to let me lead you. And by the way, I'm going to take you in a totally different direction. And it's going to threaten some of the people who are in this party now, but you're going to come with me, and they both succeeded in doing that. Now, Clinton was two for two. Trump's two for three.

I know what Clinton's record was by the end of his time in office. Trump is, as you said, on most of these issues still incomplete. But to me, they're one and two, and I put Clinton first, but he was a career politician who won the presidency. Trump's degree of difficulty coming from the outside, you could argue, tougher. okay let's go back to the democrats again for a minute now you said and you were accurate i think i agree you have to have maybe in some cases decades of building up what we're talking about is name recognition and credibility on the political stage um is there with the way you describe that and the names that i offered mark there is so what we come back to is there is nobody there's nobody

that has built up that name recognition and that credibility correct that's why you know people say well we didn't know Barack Obama was going to be the nominee at this point in the 2008 cycle. We didn't know Bill Clinton was going to be the nominee in the 92 cycle. We didn't. But what did we know about those two guys? They had been tad for years as incredible politicians, politicians of a generation who were destined for the White House. I just don't see that in this current field. I may be wrong, and maybe one or two of them will surprise me. But it's not a qualitative thing or a subjective thing. It's quantitative. How much time have you spent under high pressure doing really difficult things.

So I'll give you an example. Barack Obama, when he was, before he started running for president, he went in a relatively short period of time, he went on Meet the Press, he went on Monday night football, you know, sitting in the booth, and he went on the Tonight Show, sitting on the couch, and he starred in all three. I just don't see the people we're talking about here. I don't see them going to all three of those places and just killing it, just absolutely performing at the highest level of politics.

policy and the press and projection. So again, maybe I'll be wrong. Maybe there'll be some big surprise, but I just don't see that. Take Gretchen Whitmer, you mentioned. During COVID, she did two things. One, her husband, apparently went and wanted to use his boat and invoked her name. And then she went out of state to visit her mom. And in both cases, they violated the COVID protocols that she had set for governor. Okay. That's my understanding of the facts. Those are minor. League errors. Those are minor league errors. And they didn't occur 20 years ago. They occurred a couple years ago. And I could give you the same thing for Governor Shapiro or Pete Buttigieg. Like, this is tough. Newsom. And to play at that Newsom, you know, going to go into the French

laundry, playing at this level. And by the way, Gavin Newsom is the closest to having played at this level and been involved as a mayor of a big city. But even he, like, playing at that level, it doesn't mean he can't make mistakes. Barack Obama made mistakes. Donald Trump made mistakes. but you got to know how to recover from mistakes. And again, I just, I look at these folks who are talked about, and I just don't see the same level of experience. The answer is, according to that analysis that you gave us, which I agree with, like, it's just like establishing a brand in any business.

You've got to have some time building up name recognition. The answer is closest, the closest answer is Gavin Newsom. He has name, he has the most random person, you know, Johnny at, Jesse Waters' prime time, man on the street, name recognition of all of those people. And even then, it's probably not that, that high. And it's not like it's got a high Q rating. It's not like incredibly positive. So if I said Mark Halperin today, who is, and while you answer this, because you have this world of experience, give me the timeline, because it's got to happen pretty quick here. Today, who would you predict it is for 2028?

Yeah. Well, first of all, Gavin Newsom was my, is the guest on next up on Thursday. So he's my second guests. And like Ted Cruz, I've known him for a while, eager to ask him questions. He's not usually asked. He has, I agree with you, it's about name ID, but it's also, I think, just as much maybe more about building up the confidence to play on the national stage and the understanding of how that works. And he's developed that. I'm not predicting, but I'd say today, if I'm projecting forward, the top three likely nominees would be Governor Shapiro, Governor Newsom. And something that would not be on other people's list, I think, is a current senator, soon-to-be gubernatorial candidate Michael Bennett of Colorado.

That isn't a name that we hear at all. We hear Governor Westmore sometimes. And among my lefty friends, I often hear about Pete Buttigieg. Okay, you plugged in, Mark. You always have been. What is your current understanding of the palace intrigue under Donald Trump at the White House? that the stories come out here and there about Elon Musk, confrontational with this person or that person, perhaps with Scott Bessent on occasion. Do you get the sense that everyone is on the same page

or if they're not, it quickly gets back into line because Trump is managing to pull that off? What do you get about the coherence and the, you know, the peace at the White House? Yeah. So everything with Trump's going to be chaos. He believes in a revolving door to the Oval. and if you're in the Oval Office, you're more likely to influence them than if you're not, and people get that joke. So what you see is it's almost like a French farce or Peter Sellers movie or an episode of three's company. You see people racing around the West Wing, trying to make sure that they're around

when a meetings can be on a topic they care about to make sure they're in that room. Susie Wiles, the White House Chief of Staff, has kept an extremely low profile. You don't see her out on TV. You don't see her doing a lot of press or making herself a voice. available. He went to one cabinet meeting where the president called her, she spoke briefly. But she's trying to take what is what is not going to change about Trump, which is a very laissez-faire, open policy about who gets to weigh in on what issues and allows Trump to govern the way he likes, but also gets him the best information and has a decision-making process

within that reality that can be as rational as possible. I would say, again, not to be gossipy, not to be a flip about it, I would say the chaos is extremely high. It's high at the National Security Council. It's high amongst the economic team. It's high at the Pentagon. And in part, that's because there's a lot of change and that's going to breed chaos. In part, because there's a lot of very big personalities. The president's chosen for his cabinet and his white-ass staff, people who are not shrinking violence like Stephen Miller, like Scott Besson, like Howard Ludnik. And in part, because, again, of the president's style. He's fine with the team of rivals. displaying the rivalry. And it's extraordinary. And it's because it's Trump and we we define our standards in a different way to have Elon Musk out there tweeting attacks on Howard Lutnik or tweeting his opposition to the tariff policy. That's extraordinary. But that's the public manifestation of what's occurring behind the scenes. Susie Wiles is trying to make it controlled chaos as opposed to just unbridled chaos. And I think I like how you said that. I think the chaos is part of the strategy in some ways because it is creative destruction. That is the vision of this

administration, whether or not it's the quote-unquote, you know, destruction of the deep state or long-standing policies, there's going to be some chaos when you bring in change agents, period. And it's all change agents, every, from the Pentagon to the Treasury, it's change agents every step of the way. So there will be some level of chaos. But I appreciate, as well, the element of the personalities. Who do you think is the most consistent? We've always heard this. Whoever spoke to Trump last is the most influential, and he wants to hear from a lot of a voices. And so there's a race to get in there, like you said, okay, therefore, who is the most constant and influential voice, do you think? The vice president. I think he's the most influential

vice president of anyone I've ever covered. I think he's, he's quietly grown. And unlike previous vice presidents with presidential aspirations, there's no effort to limit his authority or or keep him from growing in political power the way there was with George H.W. Bush or Al Gore, Joe Biden. And that's super powerful, right? If people think this guy's going to be the next president or at least the next nominee of the party, that's going to increase his power. Typical White Houses in the modern era have said, that's not good for the current president. We can't have that person exercising all the authority that comes by being the

constitutionally elected vice president and the likely next nominee because that's going to overshadow the president or hurt the president's agenda. That's not the way this White House feels. And so whether it's on Capitol Hill or in Europe or. or dealing with policy, I think he's remarkably powerful. The name that I had in mind, Mark, was Stephen Miller. The hard thing about Stephen Miller in knowing is he's such an articulate voice for whatever the policy may be.

He's such a strong advocate. You don't know if he is the originator of the policy and the idea or he is the defender of it. And the reason I say that is because I think in a strong advocate, you don't know if he is the originator of the policy, order to have influence internally, you would presume he's more of the originator of the idea. Being the defender publicly is valuable, but that doesn't mean necessarily of the most influence over the president. And Stephen's so good, I don't know which is the case. Like, he could literally know this stuff by the back of his hand because he's originating it, or he's so smart

and such a good, you know, lawyerly like defender, it could just be he's defending these policies. And I think you mentioned another name that we don't appreciate enough, which is Susie Wiles. Yeah. So I talk about on next up with a couple of my guests, the five people in the administration who I think have grown in power over the hundred days and whose power should not be understated if you want to understand what's going on in the Trump administration. You've mentioned three of them right there. Susie Wiles, Stephen Miller, and the vice president. I tell people all the time, if you think Stephen's powerful, double what you think. And as you say, sometimes they're his ideas. Sometimes he's just selling them. But he speaks fluent Trump. And it's a remarkable story

because when I first met Stephen, he was an unknown aide to a relatively unknown senator from Alabama, Jeff Sessions. And he has gone in 10 years, less fewer than 10 years, from completely anonymous Capitol Hill aid to now one of the most powerful people in this very hard charging administration. So Stephen, Susie, and the vice president would be two of my five, three of my five, who I think you can't, you can't overstate their power, no matter how powerful you try to describe them as being. Now, Mark, I, as much as anybody, appreciate the value of the deep T's, and we're going to make sure people that understand they need to go check out next up, especially if they want to hear from both Gavin Newsom and Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz and Gavin Newsom directly. But yes, you have to give me the other two of your five most powerful people under Trump. I'll do what I did with my guests, Mark Caputo and Emma Genn-JMor Morris, guess the other two.

Susie Wiles. We've got Wiles. We've got Miller. We've got Vice President. I think you have to include Musk as one of the other two. Well, now, he's super powerful, but my list was people who've increased their power over the 100 days. And I don't think Elon's increased. I think he's decreased. Still very powerful. Okay. But I think he's decreased. Well, then one of the two, one of the two has to be Treasury Secretary Scott Besson. There you go. Scott Besson for sure. So those four of the five. And the fifth one, I'll give you the hint. And my guess, guess this one last, one of the most visible people in the administration. Caroline Levitt? Yeah. I think her power has grown. The president loves her briefings. Her confidence is sky high. She drives the news in a way that we had seen

a press security do in quite some time. So those are the five who I say, there are plenty of other powerful people. There are people like Elon who are super powerful. But I think those five are not just at a very high level of power, but their power is grown over the time. Okay, let's go now full circle to talking about Republicans. It is generally believed, I believe, Mark, that Trump 2028 is a distraction. It's not a real campaign, but it is a story to feed these. And you existed in this media sphere for years I watched you on Morning Joe, but what has happened in the media is they've just, and I'm not doing the Fox News,

beat the media up thing when I say this, but they have be clown themselves. And I think I at this point have a fairly accurate diagnosis of how this has happened. When you define yourself as oppositional to someone else, existentially, you are existentially oppositional to someone else. You don't, you're a ship without a rudder. You have a sail, but you have no idea where you'll be pushed. And that's how I think they end up defending Kilmar-Bregor Garcia, because it's simply positionally opposite of Donald Trump. But the Trump 2028 is fodder for that media to sail into ports without a rudder where they could be talking about something else. I don't know that it's real. The Donald Trump is going to run for a third presidency. I'm happy to hear you tell me I'm wrong. But as it stands

today, you mentioned it once. If you're looking at that field, the faraway leader, the vice president, J.D. Vance? Yeah, I don't think Trump will run for third term, and I think he'll endorse Vance. I think Bance will be largely, on the current trajectory, largely on challenge for the nomination. What do you expect that field to look like? While you won't say it, and I don't know if it came up in your conversation, I have heard that Senator Cruz will be running for presidency. But he'd like to, but he's a very sharp guy, and he understands the reality as a presidential politics. If Donald Trump endorses in a primary, historically, it shuts the thing down. There are very few places where Trump endorses in a primary, and there's actually a contested primary because people get the joke. You can't win the nomination. You can't raise money. You can't get volunteers. You can't have grassroots. So if I'm right, the Trump will endorse something. Again, Reagan did not endorse Bush 41. Clinton did not endorse Gore. Obama not only didn't endorse Biden. He urged him not to run and basically handed it to Hillary Clinton. So we've never seen this in the modern era.

anything like the modern era. We've never seen the president, very popular, and I suspect will stay so within his own party. We've never seen that person say, I'm for my number two. What does that do? Fundraising, endorsements, staff hires. So Ted Cruz has some smart people working for him and, again, a very able guy. I don't know that he'd go into that suicidal buzz saw because I think that's what it would be. Now, all this is caveat on, if the administration is doing well. If the record is popular, at least with the base, I think what I'm saying will probably happen. If the tariffs bring down the world economy, then I'm not sure that vice president will even run. But if the record is popular with MAGA, head crews will look at it. There's some

other folks who will look at it. But I think beating J.D. Vance for the nomination will be close to impossible because he's a very skilled guy. And he will have what in Republican politics now is the ultimate golden ticket, which is Donald Trump's backing. Where does that leave, Mark, guys who clearly had presidential aspirations. And it's like playing basketball during the era of Michael Jordan. Like Carl Malone and Charles Barkley will never be fully appreciated for the players that they were because they existed within the era of Michael Jordan. You could say the same thing about a number of quarterbacks who had to play against Tom Brady

or who today have to play against Patrick Mahomes. What does it say for the future of Ron DeSantis, perhaps Ted Cruz, any other of these Republicans who might have real capabilities, but their timing is way off in existing under Donald Trump? Well, a lot of them, like Senator-Governor DeSantis, they're young.

They could run for 40 more years. Marco Rubio, same thing. I mean, they're not so old that this is their last chance. If you look at the history of this, the people who win the nomination, in retrospect, and sometimes in real time, it's pretty clear, it's their time, it's their moment, it's their cycle. That's what gave Barack Obama confidence to run against Hillary Clinton because he looked at where he was and where he'd be in four, eight years. These guys, if

JD wins, they're going to have to wait eight years. If JD loses, again, if he's the nominee, they can run in 32. So I'm not saying it'll clear the field. I'm not saying people won't run against it. But I'm saying it's going to be very challenging. And again, none of them are, you know, a Reagan or a Clinton. None of them are so powerful with such a big following that you'd say, well, they have a chance to take on Vance because I have other advantages that he doesn't have. So I think four more years to think about it, or maybe eight for a lot of them, you know, that'll be the best they can do because, you know, Vance is going to have the support of MAGA,

I think. And MAGA, you know, people like Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, Tucker, very difficult to, to amount of candidacy for any office within the party, but particularly this one, if you don't have their support, and I think Don Jr., I call Don Jr. and Tucker and Charlie Kirk, I call on the board of directors. And I think the board of directors will be for, would be for Vance. And I think going against the board of directors just doesn't have a lot of history of success within the party right now. He is the editor-in-chief of Two-way, a brand-new show up next up, where he talked with one of these guys we've been talking around Ted Cruz and later this week, another.

we've been discussing, Governor Gavin Newsom, we encourage you to check out his new show next up with Mark Halpern. Mark, great to talk to you. I've really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you. Well, really nice you to have me on. I appreciate it. Thanks so much. All right. There you goes. Mark Halpern. Again, check out next up. Next up for us here on the Wilcane show, it just keeps getting worse for Bill Belichick. I mean, this Jordan Hudson thing, now the details are coming out about the CBS interview. She interrupted it, like not once, but multiple times. They had to leave 30 minutes on the cutting room floor. And at one point, She storms out and thinks that Bill Belichick is going to follow her out of the interview with CBS Sunday morning.

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Joining us now is a columnist at Outkick.com, friend of the show, Bobby Burrack. What's up, Bobby? What's up, Will? How are you? I'm good. This Seekwan moment, Sequan hanging out with Donald Trump, it's fun.

It's a little bit of pop culture and celebrity intermingling with the presidency. But it also seems kind of significant, Bobby, in that not just his willingness to do it, to defend himself. He tweeted out afterwards. Oh, well, some people are really upset because I played golf and flew to the White House with the all caps president. Maybe I just respect the office. Not a hard concept to understand. I just golfed with Obama not too long ago. And I look forward to finishing my round with Trump.

Now you get out of my mentions with all this politics and have an amazing day. Sequin just not caring, happy, pushing back. And it does, it. expose something about the status of cancel culture. Yeah, and I like what he said because two weeks ago, the Dodgers finally went to the White House to celebrate their World Series win, and there were people who were outraged saying, well, the office had disrespected Jackie Robinson. No, they didn't. How dare the Dodgers attend the White House and give President Trump the time of day?

But I'm with Saquan, visiting the White House or playing golf with the president is not inherently political. Turning down invitation for political reasons is. I don't know what Saquan Barclay's politics are, but I've used the analogy, well, I did not like Joe Biden at all. He was the worst president in my lifetime, but if he, for some reason, invited me to the White House or to have lunch with him, I would have still did it. I would have gladly accepted it. So I think Sequan's on to something here that his mingling with Donald Trump does not make him MAGA, doesn't make him right wing. It doesn't really make him anything. I think when the president offers you an invitation to hang out, you accept it.

So for the people who are trying to belittle, Sequin, I saw people call him a sellout now because he did this and Jalen Hertz supposedly backed out, even though he claims he had a busy schedule. Well, I totally support Saquam. And to answer your question about cancel culture, absolutely. I think five years ago, seven, eight years ago, most athletes would have said the backlash isn't worth the risk. But people are coming to learn that if you can just ignore the 36 hours of ambush, these vultures will move on to someone else. And they're actually pretty weak and pathetic. I don't know if you saw this on X. I think it's Eagles defensive back, Eli Ricks.

He had a good time with the White House, too. We can put these up. He tweeted out that, wow, Ivanka's really good-looking. She's exactly my type. You really enjoyed his interaction with Ivanka Trump. Bobby, I saw the reaction to Sequin. There is some of it on X, speaking of X. Yeah.

But, you know, to your point, I literally had those debates. I'm going to go, what is it, six years ago now, seven years ago now, like Kevin Durant, visiting the White House. I did that on first take on ESPN. Here we are in 2025. I'm curious. I haven't been watching. Do they do that topic?

Do they have that debate? Should Sequin have visited the White House? I haven't seen it. I would guess no. When you were on first take, there was this stigma of everything Trump is bad. Now I think people in sports are realizing there's a much bigger world outside of their small bubble. that really likes Donald Trump. And there's a lot of athletes who like Donald Trump.

Tommy Laron, who was on your show this week, as ties to Major League Baseball. I mean, she went as far as saying 75% of Major League Baseball players who voted for Donald Trump. We know UFC fighters do. Football players do. We see them doing the dance. So I think this idea that everybody who supports Trump is on the dark side was never accurate, but during the first administration, that is how the sports media and really the legacy media covered it. There certainly has been a shift at large, but now you certainly

still have certain people who call Donald Trump Hitler and say that he's going to deport black people next, but by and large, I do think things have changed significantly since the last time you were on that show. I totally agree. Still, there is that pushback on X. But it's different. Now it feels ridiculous. Now it feels absurd. And this line of commentary of online presence has gone from, Bobby, in not just in our lifetime, in a matter of eight years, incredibly powerful, incredibly, incredibly powerful to a little bit defanged, but still a path to stardom for those that would lead the witch hunt. to less fear, to then comedic, oh, that's sad that you're still doing that, those days are over,

to this latest version that it's not just when it comes to Sequin, but, for example, the drop of Shador Sanders in the NFL draft, to beyond comedic, beyond toothless, beyond not inspiring fear, to some now since in my mind, Bobby, emulation. Like if you're doing Shadur Sanders dropped because he's the modern day Colin Kaepernick you have embarrassed yourself to a degree that is almost

inescapably obvious and therefore it becomes some kind of self-immolation. Like I don't know who's left and what motivation is left to look at Shador Sanders and go the NFL is racist and colluding against a black man.

This is going to be a bit inside baseball, but whatever. I don't know if you saw last night, Bumani Jones, someone that I've been very critical of, who one of the first people in sports media to make everything about race, very far left guy, he came out yesterday, Will, and just bashed all the people saying that Shitter Sanders is the new Colin Kaepernick,

that the NFL was looking to make an example out of an outspoken black man, This is Beaumani Jones saying these narratives are ridiculous. They're ludicrous. He said, what does Shadur Sanders stand for? He's not outspoken. No matter what you believe about Colin Kaepernick and I'm not a fan and I'm very critical of him, he did stand or kneel for something at least. Shadur Sanders is just some arrogant athlete with a famous dad.

So when the, whatever you want to call this group, there's so many different terms, woke race bait or whatever these groups when beaumani jones is calling you out and saying you've gone too far trust me you've gone way too far and yet there is here's a great example uh peter rosenberg who used to be with espn he's a radio host in new york city he said some white people may not understand why race is becoming a conversation around chadour it may or may not have anything to do with what's going on here but the relationship between america and brash black athletes has deep history. White America is historically angered and scared by men like Shadur Sanders. So whether that's what's happening here or not, the history and feeling cannot

go away. You know, Bobby, one of the things I always said when we had all these, everything as racist conversations, it obviously ignores the individual facts of any given case, whatever that case may be, from Bubba Wallace to Michael Brown. You're uninterested in the actual details of what happened and you're only interested in the narrative of racism. The the other thing that it does is it just washes away individuality all individuality all all the bright colors you know you're seeing the world in black and white and you've washed away all the bright colors of life you know what makes us each person oh is he cocky is he likable is he smart is he stupid all the things you know it's a thing like when somebody cuts you off in traffic and you

reduce it to their race you totally ignored maybe he's just an a hole you know regardless of his race like there are a-holes of every race and there are you know every type and there's wonderful people and there's you know unlikable people and then there's charming people and the shadur thing it just wipes away all the bright colors of whatever it is he is in life and whatever he is and whatever he did and i think it's an interesting conversation right now but whether or not he did it intentionally like did he pull an eli manning did he try to get some teams to not draft him and he did it better than he thought even because then it ended up nobody wanted to draft him but just washes away everything into two colors black and white yeah it was the biggest most cited example of this derrick

chauvin and george floyd we know from previous records that derrick chauvin was a pretty um aggressive police officer a bit reckless there is still to this day no evidence that he did what did out of racism i watched most of that trial i read the transcript there's a reason the prosecution never used the word racist or black because there was no evidence of that it could have just been derrick chauvin was a bad cop and what happened happened that doesn't make it racist yet for almost three years the country pretty much ushered in a new chapter on the basis that racism caused the death of George Floyd from all accounts a reckless, aggressive, boneheaded cop did. There's no proof at all.

And if we're being accurate, drugs, George Floyd was on drugs, a lot of other complicating factors. That's the point. It's complicated and it's reduced to a binary. Right. The idea that it's just white cop kills black person. No, no, there's a lot more to it. There is guy on fentanyl, aggressive cop, history between the two of them. most cases don't boil down to black or white, including the Schroeder Sanders case. Peter Schreger, who's probably the most connected insider to the draft, he reported for over a month will that most teams viewed Shudor Sanders as a second round talent.

So now you have a second round talent with a lot of baggage, a lot of distractions, a questionable attitude. You know where second round talents usually go with a lot of baggage, third, fourth, or fifth round. So when you step back, this really wasn't all that surprising, but it seems like it because we kept hearing from the Stephen A's, the Skip Bayliss's, and the Mel Kuyper's that Sheter Sanders is a top three pick and anything else is personal or racist. It's all such nonsense. And those people embarrassed themselves so much last weekend. I never had a strong opinion on Mel Kiper. I always just thought he was a draft guru. I can't take him seriously.

But Mel didn't do race. But Mel didn't do race. Mel is different. Well, and I'm a big fan of Mel. But Mel thought their evaluation was off and didn't match his. He thinks Shadur will be great. And he thinks they're stupid. He says that. He says NFL's teams are stupid in evaluating quarterbacks. I mean, he didn't do what these other guys did and say it's because they had black quarterbacks. I mean, he definitely took it beyond just evaluation. But again, let's not fall into the trap, Bobby. But let's not fall in the trap. Gross and personal can be different than racist you know what i mean like i mean they they could be punishing him for dion or or because they don't like his personality and you can call that personal you know he can think they're

all wrong and he can call that gross it doesn't mean he's saying it's all it's all racist um i think the guys that wanted to call it racist did so openly you know like and to your point like it's it's beyond it's it's embarrassing it's self-immolation at this point um by the way on mel i've said this yesterday. Give it five years. Maybe Mel will be thoroughly embarrassed. Maybe Mel will be right. We'll have to see. We'll see how good Shadur ends up. Yeah, and I do want to make the point, too,

and I fall in this group, too. Most people in the media don't know how to adequately watch film and decide or project how a player is going to perform on the next level. Like, trust

me on this. Stephen A. Smith is not spending his Saturday afternoons re-watching Shudur Sanders film from Jackson State. So he doesn't actually know how good Shudur Sanders is going to be, nor do most people. Like Peter Rosenberg, like I met him in Las Vegas, very nice guy. I thought his tweet was really embarrassing and shameful. I highly doubt he knows what Shudder Sanders is going to be like. He doesn't strike me as a college football fan. So I think most of these people,

just see a player who moves the needle race angle that will amplify my brand and they just ran with it. I think most of these people are pretty clueless on the topic. All right. Speaking of embarrassing. New details. We played the video yesterday and the sound of Jordan Hudson participating in the interview of Bill Belichick with CBS Sunday morning. Now we have the details that she interrupted a ton, not just that once in the clip that we saw. uh they had to leave 30 minutes on the cutting room floor she stormed out of the interview uh and it's funny in the interview bobby bellichick looks shell shocked and you're like is he sort of like just like has his social awkwardness like increased with time the older he gets

or maybe as it turns out he's sort of shell shocked as his girlfriend's throwing a fit over here off camera um all right so when this story not this when we first found out he was dated a 24-year-old. Obviously, people thought, well, it's probably not a real relationship. It's probably mostly physical and whatever, whatever. It's not that. She is very involved in his life. This is not just, let's meet up here and there, go out public together and go on fancy vacations. She's involved in every facet of his life, apparently, including his career at North Carolina. He told people to see her on emails. We saw during, I know, what was it, a practice, her walking, up and down the field and big boots talking to him when he's telling the players to do this

and this is very strange will um i always thought bill bellichick was like the robert denaro from meet the fuckers right so buttoned up um uh boring lame um no fun side to him i never pictured him uh getting with someone this young and allowing her to pretty much boss him around and tell him what he can and cannot answer, and her telling him that he couldn't say where they met, I'm now more curious. Look, I never thought about it before. I just figured, I don't know, maybe they met on Hinge or some celebrity party. Now I think there might be a backstory, and I want to know where did Bill Belichick meet this woman, and who is this woman? Why does she have so much power? He's whipped. You ever been whipped, Bobby?

Well, it's deeper than that, though, Will. I mean, you know, he probably is whipped. Oh, I think it's deeper. Oh, it's deeper in that, yeah. Because when you're whipped, you don't... Like what? Like, she has something on him? I don't know if she has something on him, but I think he's convinced. Here's what I think.

I think he's probably 50% whipped and he's 50% his ego shattered. The NFL rejected him. Couldn't land a college football job. And he's trying to cope with this by showing people, hey, look, I'm okay. I'm with a 24%. year old more of the will cane show right after this it is time to take the quiz it's five questions in less than five minutes we ask people on the streets of new york city to play along let's see how you do take the quiz every day at the quiz dot box then come back here to see how you did thank you for

taking the quiz listen to the all new brett bear podcast featuring common ground in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle along with all your brett bear favorites like his all-star panel and much more. Available now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts. It's really, really remarkable. It really is. I don't know if you have something to say this. You put it on your social media. My friend Ryan Rosillo and Bill Simmons talked about you recently on the number one sports podcast in the country. Here it is. This is one of the best 24-hour stretches the league's had in a while. Yeah, Clay Travis. How about Twitter? about the ratings.

Get Bobby Barak on that one. Look, I realize group economics wasn't a great Jersey idea either. You have a response, Bobby? I do. I want to apologize to Bill Simmons and Ryan Resilla about questioning the NBA because I watched that Cavs Heat game last night. It was a thriller. 138 to 85, one of the most riveting nail biters I've seen a long time, just unbelievable

performance, great officiating, great athleticism, I confess. Ryan Ursillow, Bill Simmons, you're right. There is nothing in American entertainment that competes with the 2025 version of the National Basketball Association. All right, I hope the sarcasm came through. I watched hockey last night. I watched Stars. The game was awful.

A 53 point game in the playoffs, it was awful. And by the way, even the games that are supposed to be good, the reps are not calling fouls or calling fouls where they shouldn't. The NBA product is a joke right now. If I were to rank five sports to watch, the NBA wouldn't even be in my top five right now, Will. I mean, the product is just awful. Oh, come on.

Name five. Name five. The NFL, college football, major league baseball. UFC, hockey, boxing, WMBA, college basketball. You don't, oh, get out of here. You don't watch WNBA over the NBA. If I had to choose right now. You're doing a bit.

You've created an enemy. You don't like it. Yeah, that's what you're doing. No one watches boxing over the NBA. It doesn't happen. And don't tweet me just because you're the outlier. Whoa. Oh, you watch your little top-rank

boxing, making sure you tune in on ESPN news over NBA playoffs. Hey, those fights at 2 a.m. or 4 p.m. and Saudi Arabia are must watch. What about does WWE count? I mean, I thought WrestleMania was better than these NBA playoffs.

Don't turn it into your enemy. You're accurately describing the ratings problem for the NBA, but don't let, don't turn into, don't make the NBA your Donald Trump. and you are MSNBC. Don't get yourself boxed into a cul-de-sac here where you're now arguing for the WNBA over the NBA. I heard James is a big lacrosse fan.

I might try that, too. Perfectly fits the reputation of establishment. All right, last thing, and I didn't have this on my dance card here with you today, but I did hear this conspiracy theory, and it really got my attention, and it's fascinating. All right, the NBA needed to save its product to your point. They need the Lakers to be good.

so they facilitated the trade of Luca to L.A., which isn't working out, by the way, as the Lakers are down to the Nuggets, I mean, the wolves. And as compensation, we've all heard that part of the conspiracy, right? We've all heard that part. But what do the Mavs get out of that?

Okay? And the answer is, there's nothing that makes up for losing Luka. So don't listen to this and go, oh, it makes all sense now. But somebody told me this weekend, the Mavs have a 5% chance at the top ping pong ball

in the NBA lottery, and if they win and draft Cooper Flag, that's your consolation prize for saving the NBA. Now, I don't believe it, because why would the MAVs do that still? Cooper Flag for Luca? I don't believe it. But if the MAVs do win the lotto, if the MAVs do win the lotto, oh boy, that's going to be some great WWE drama for the NBA. It will be, and that might even get me to watch a game or two.

But look, I think Luca is the most overrated player. of this generation in any sport. He can't play defense. He's out of shape. He shoots too much. So while the trade was boneheaded, I will say I would rather have Cooper Flag than Luca, not the biggest Luca guy.

Oh, that's absurd. Beyond absurd. We heard on this show, and you got pretty hot and bothered, one of your guys, I forget which one made the case that Josh Allen is much more accomplished than Luca, that's 100% true. I mean, to argue against that is pretty shameful. How many Super Bowls?

How many Super Bowls? How many Super Bowls has Josh Allen been to? It doesn't matter. His team keeps costing him. They're missing field goals or taking bad penalties. I know, but what's the answer? Right, right, right, right. But what's the answer?

Right now, zero. Oh, when's the last time, when's the last time Luca was in the NBA finals? Last season, he looked out of shape like a flop. Oh, right, right. And they got smoke. This is absurd, and it's, it's not worthy. I will not dignify this with even the pretense of a first take style debate.

It's ridiculous. I'm going to name all the players, did I take over, Luca? No, I don't, because you've already made yourself the Peter Rosenberg of this debate. You should be embarrassed, and you should keep these kind of takes to yourself. It's quiet, little hot takes that you don't even think are worthy of a tweet. No, I don't want to talk about it last year. I don't even want to talk about it anymore. It's still a very sore spot

and I won't have Luca besmirched on the Will Cain Show. All right, that's going to do it for us today and no connection to. The goodbye is it connected to the embarrassing way he ended this interview, but I always love having him on. I love the conversation. Bobby Burrack. Check him out

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