Will Cain Country - Nick Sortor on the Ground as Anti-ICE Protests Spiral in Minnesota

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

Story 1: Independent Journalist Nick Sortor joins Will to share his experience covering the ICE protests in Minnesota amid violent clashes between ICE and protestors, describing how he was surrounded, threatened, and robbed by an angry mob just for attempting to document the situation on the ground.Story 2: The social contract in Minnesota may be deteriorating, but some of the videos to come out of this weekend’s protests are so ridiculous that they’re nothing short of entertaining. Will and The Crew look at some of the most shocking footage to come out of Minneapolis in recent weeks and share their theories for what happens next.Story 3: Host of ‘The Barstool College Football Show’ Kayce Smith helps Will break down the call from last weekend’s game that cost the Buffalo Bills their chance at a Super Bowl, debating whether the call was valid. Will and Kayce also take a look at the age breakdowns of some of the most successful teams in College Football and the “winning formula” for creating the perfect roster as Indiana looks to remain perfect tonight against Miami. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (@willcainshow), Instagram (@willcainshow), TikTok (@willcainshow), and Facebook (@willcainnews)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Software engineers, cameramen, men driving SUVs, a church service interrupted, disrupted by the mob in Minneapolis last night. A group of Somaliyan allegedly stole the camera and drugged down the street journalist Nick Sorter. We'll be joined today by Nick Sorter. plus Indiana versus Miami. Will Kane Country streaming live at the Will Kane Country YouTube channel and Wilcane Facebook. Nick's order is an independent American journalist and political commentator. He has been in the field as a reporter for events such as the fires in Maui, the toxic spill in East Palestine, Ohio. He has also been on the ground from very early in events.

in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Last night, Nick Sorder apparently had an interaction, was robbed by a group of Somali men in Minneapolis. He was taken for what he says is about $1,000 in camera equipment. Here, take a look at some of the video that was captured just last night by Nick Sorder. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

What did she do? Oh, shit. Okay. It's okay. She took next camera. She just stole next camera. Tell her to give him the camera back. Nick Sorter tweeted at the FBI to take a look and help him out to which they responded,

the rapid response accounts on X. We're on it. We're joined now by Nick Sorter. What's up, Nick? Hey, Will, appreciate you having me. I wish I was there. in Texas. That was the original plan until, you know, just things went down the tubes again here last night. So I ended up having to stay and work with the FBI on tracking this down because it seems

like it, and we haven't confirmed this yet, but there might be a little bit more to this than just some sort of regular robbery from an everyday citizen. So we're going to find out. Nick was scheduled to be with us in studio here in Dallas. These events unfolded last night. So let's walk through that first. Tell me what happened. Give me the sense of how this went down from your perspective before we get into what might be revealed in an investigation with the FBI. Sure. So we were basically, I had seen this New York Post article a few days back

of this building, this complex, Cedar Riverside in Minneapolis, that is, that mistakenly got $35 million in funds from the Biden, I ended up finding out that Cedar Riverside is the most densely populated Somali neighborhood in the country. And so we went over there, started driving around. I never got out of my car. And because I don't match the demographic, I mean, Will, I'm the whitest guy you've ever met, okay? I'm driving around in that area, don't have tinted windows or everything. And so they started assuming that I was ice.

I had to be ice. And so they basically have, they are guarded by a bunch of liberal white women. It's very odd. It's a strange thing. It's the same ones every single time. They sit out there all day and all night as a rapid response force against ICE. And then they, and then other people that were there that were part of them. that rapid response force then started yelling my name so they had figured out

actually who I was that caused a mob who then came in front and and like blocked the vehicle in and then security guards from the tower came out started yelling at me telling me that I wasn't allowed to be there which is not true that's a public road and and then this this woman that we believe it is a woman came up and just before I could even blink grabbed my camera from like reached inside the vehicle and grabbed my camera and sprinted off with it I realized what happened I still had the wrist strap on it it severed the wrist trap that's how forcefully this was taken from me I jumped out of the vehicle and I was of course you know the rest of the mob had blocked me from

recovering my camera and I get up to the car that she jumped into and I ended up getting my my hand stuck in it. I don't know how well you can see it on the on the camera here but it was it was pretty pretty bloodied up yesterday because basically what happened was my my hand got caught like this in the door as I was drugged down the sidewalk and the only reason that I got that I got my hand out of there was by breaking the door handle off that's how jammed my hand was in that door handle of that vehicle. All right and then Nick it appears that you then have interaction with Minneapolis police, whose response to this entire incident is for you to get out of the area. I think we have that video as well. Watch.

We have a ton of calls stack that we have to answer. So, I mean... I don't have a time frame for you. But my point is, you guys need to not be in this area. I mean, I can't tell you you have to leave, but if we're getting calls, you guys harassing people. I mean, we were... Dryly around is not harassing. We were the ones being harassed. And 100%.

If that's fine. I'm just saying if it rises to that level, because they're saying you guys are. Well, that's the other thing about us too. We're like, we're journalists. Like people are trying to intimidate us out of here for doing our first moment. I know, but I don't, we don't need this stuff to keep happening. I get it. The level of hostility, obviously, it's not going to go away.

So what's fascinating about this interaction is it puts the onus on you. It puts the onus on you, Nick, to not be in an area because your presence in that area is essentially what is amounting to, in their minds, harassment. And this is, in effect, something that's been called for now by Democratic politicians, an American version of European no-go zones. Yeah, I don't think there's any better way to put it. But they're Islamic no-go zones at this point. You know, they are places where, I called 911, and I'm surprised, Will,

that they even bothered responding. Every other time that I've called 911 here, They don't respond. And one of the first questions I asked you on the phone is, are you white, Hispanic, black, or Somali? I don't know why in a situation where you're being dragged by a vehicle down the street and need medical attention because you're bleeding on the hand and on the leg. I don't know what my race has anything to do with your response to that. and would he have said the same thing to me if I was Somali? Would they have come out and say, you guys need to not be here?

Does that sound right? Well, the whole situation wouldn't have started at all if I was Somali, to be honest with you. But this should not be accepted in the United States of America. I refuse to surrender territory to people that, you know, I don't want to label them all, right? But a lot of these people just do not have the same values that Americans have. They're telling me that it's illegal to film from my vehicle and that they were going to call the police for that. And they did call the police for that. That was the harassment that they were talking about, was me filming from my vehicle.

I never got out of the vehicle because I didn't want confrontation. That wasn't the point. If you wanted confrontation, I would have walked in with a group of five guys down, you know, straight into the plaza of the apartment complex, and there would have been plenty of confrontation. But just driving down the road wasn't talking to anybody. I was basically, at the time, I was just trying to show the scope of how massive this plaza is. It looks like the first time I ever passed it going down the expressway, I had no idea what it was. And I said it looked like a mixture of a third world apartment complex and like something you would have seen in the Soviet Union, right? It sticks out a lot. It's very odd. And so getting up close and personal with it was something that I wanted to film to begin with. I didn't even necessarily want to film people.

And it was guarded, if I heard you correctly, by an army of white women. By an army of white women. They all drive, funny enough, and they're just, It's all on video, on the other cameras that we had. They drive like Subaru foresters around, and they park them in the corners of the neighborhood. And they sit there. And then one woman, I was giving a little commentary on it.

I said, of course, it's another. I had stopped and asked her, because she was yelling at me, like trying to block my vehicle. And I said, hey, ma'am, like, what is it about the, you know, all the liberal white women out here. Like, what's, what's going on? She yelled back at me under her COVID mask. I'm not white.

It's like she's definitely white. I don't know if there's some sort of brain-eating amoeba that's in the water around here that's just damaging these people. But they're very common and they're all the same. They're like clones of each other. It's odd, man. And you'll see the video. I'm not even, I'm not making this up.

Well, I'm not positive. but I do believe there has been an exemption pass to American anti-discrimination laws that Subaru Foresters can only be sold to liberal, lesbian, white women. So by process of deduction, I think you probably had that nailed right. I don't think you're allowed to sell a forester to someone that doesn't fit those classifications. Nick, you've been in Minneapolis for a couple of weeks now. What would you say the vibe is in general? You visited a Somali apartment complex on this occasion.

We see the treatment and the welcoming mat that was rolled out for you. But we also see the videos taking place across the rest of Minneapolis with random software engineers, random white men driving SUVs, cameramen, all being put under the suspicion and the bright lights of their neighbors for being ice. What's the general vibe right now in Minneapolis? You cannot drive around in a black suburban or a black wagoneer or really a wagoneer of any color at this point out here. without having to worry about your vehicle. If you go over to Enterprise, over at the airport, and they showed me this, because when I brought my vehicle back after it had been smashed up by these rioters

back in, it was a week ago today, they had told me that, no, you're not the first person to come in today. Not the first civilian that came in that was attacked by rioters in the street. Most of the time, it had to do with mistake. and identity. None of these, he was excluding ice

and border patrol vehicles that had come back. And then went over and showed me all of the SUVs in general, some of them not even, not even vehicles that ice would drive that were spray painted with ice on the side

and with smashed windows. And then you see this video of these people at the, that restaurant, the software engineers that were in there being harassed. And one guy at the riots on Saturday,

another case of mistaken identity. He was one of them. And he ended up being physically dragged down the street. He was part of their ICE watch group. And they decided to turn on him and said that, no, he was actually ice. And then you see the church yesterday where they go in and interrupt services down there. It's disgusting. And it's not getting better, Will.

It's getting worse. Let's take a quick break. But continue this conversation with independent journalist Nick Soder, who's on the ground in Minneapolis. when we come back on Will Cain Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told.

Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Will Cain Country. We're still hanging out with investigative journalist Nick Sorder. It's incredible. And it's fascinating, the little detail that you offer, which is one that I've heard as well from Fox News cameramen that have been. been to Minneapolis, the wagoneer seems to be in particular targeted. I don't know if the local rental car companies are stocked up on wagoners, and therefore that's what a lot of out-of-town law enforcement are renting as well. But if you want to get in trouble in Minneapolis, it

sounds like rent a wagoneer. And then it wasn't just cameramen. It wasn't just you. It wasn't just software engineers that are having their lives disrupted by these mobs in Minnesota. there were, of course, as well, churchgoers. And these churchgoers were documented in part by former CNN anchor Don Lemon. So take a look at some of this of what went down inside of a church in Minnesota. So you can see the protesters here have gathered over here. They're in the middle of the church. During the beginning of the service, the pastor was speaking.

And McKimma stood up and said her peace. and then the protesters surrounded her. But this is a clandestine mission. I think they found out one of according to them. This is according to Operation Pullup, that one of the pastors here is a member of ICE. The accusation there is that one of the pastors was a member of ICE. So they storm into this church in the middle of service disrupt it.

Okay? This seems, I think, this can be, Nick, a bit. of a Rubicon, like they crossed a Rubicon that now begins to offend the people who are offended by the tactics of ICE. I can't imagine people look at this and go, this now is what we want to be a part of. This is where we are in Minnesota. I think you're spot on. You hit the nail on the head. These are just people that, look, they're starting to feel terrorized, right? They're going to end up being too afraid to go to church because they don't want to.

put their families in this situation. Small children in particular having to, you know, live through an experience like this. I mean, you're going to radicalize a lot of, you know, parents and just regular folk against your movement by doing things like this. Imagine if we would have done the same thing to a mosque. Imagine if the tables were turned and people raided a mosque like this in the middle of their prayer. You'd be hearing about it a lot more than you're hearing about it right now.

Pretty much the places I'm hearing about it are on X and on Fox and on Will Kane country, right? You're not hearing about it from lots of other people. And you use the word documenting with Don Lemon. In my opinion, I don't think that's what he was doing. He was there inciting this. He was pushing this. He's pretending now that, oh, I was just doing journalism because the DOJ has launched an investigation. into it and so he's trying to backtrack.

You saw the way that he got into this priest's face inside the church and the pastor was like trying to push him back a little bit because he was like right in his face trying to be confrontational with a preacher. I mean, you look at that. It makes me uncomfortable to sit there and watch it from afar. He seemed angry

he seemed like he was just out to get the pastor in particular. He wasn't just documenting the situation. He was part of the reason the situation happened to begin with. Don Lemon strikes me very similar to Gavin Newsom. In more than one way, first of all, Gavin Newsom's tactics in any type of conversation is to randomly spit off facts that, you know, how do you rebut that random fact that is false? But to say that is false. And now you're in a, that's a lie. No, that's a lie. Battle with either Newsom or Limit. His tactic with these people in the street is to tell them, well, ICE is arresting people who don't have criminal records, overwhelmingly. And he rattles off a ton of stats, and they're doing it without a warrant, and they don't offer any due process. And these people who disagree with him, the vast majority, just simply have no idea what to do when you're confronted with a fire hose of misinformation. Similar to Gavin Newsom, who rattles off stats, it's impossible to contextualize. And honestly, I've been involved in these types of conversations. It's really honestly impossible.

to rebut because they come at such volume that you can't get every single one. It's like swatting gnats in the middle of the summer. So that's one tactic. The other thing that reminds me of Gavin Newsom when it comes to Don Lemon is a total lack of a sense of self. He doesn't have no idea who he is or what he wants to be. When it's cool to have a podcast where you talk to the opposing people like Gavin Newsom did with Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro, then that's what Don Lemon will do. If Nick Shirley's getting a lot of attention or Nick Sorter by doing on the ground reporting

or investigative journalism, well, that's what Don Lemon's going to do. He's going to go do that. if somebody is doing well with man on the street interviews. And that's what he's going to do. He's going to go do that. He just has no idea who he is. All he knows is he wants to be famous. And with that, here he is.

And by the way, as an aside, when he does interact with someone who actually knows what they're talking about, he just gets completely embarrassed. To his credit, he uploads that embarrassing video. You can see one where he seemingly suggests that misdemeanors aren't crimes. But every once in a while, he runs into somebody that actually knows what they're talking about. Here is another video from Lemon. And this is the same incident, the invasion of this church. Now he's outside the church.

And I think the important point on this video is what he says as sort of an endorsement or an explanation of what's happening to this church. Watch this guy here, look, hugging his kid. And, you know, I just imagine it's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. But again, careful, it's very slippery right here. It's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. But that's what really careful, please, really slippery. Not kidding.

That's what protesting is about. And so... Traumatic. That's what protesting is about. Traumatic for kids. That's the mark of a protest, Nick. Yeah, well, I mean, these are the same people that... Remember, he was from the same network that stood in front of the now infamous George Floyd Square here

while it was on fire back in 2020, and they called that a mostly peaceful protest. So, I mean, it's... That is what it's about for them. They traumatize that entire neighborhood, and it's never come back. Well, it's still a charred out wreck. And they don't really know what the word protest means at this point. They still call them protesters when they're out there shooting pyro-technics

at the federal officers that are outside of the Whipple ice facility that's out here. I don't know what sort of protesting there. that is, although they don't give the same definition. Like if somebody on the right were to do the same thing, they would use a totally different definition. They would use either provocateur or agitator or something. There's two different standards here. And it's very clear.

They don't even bother trying to hide it. I don't know how many people, though, will take Don Lemon seriously. I didn't even know where to find his stuff yesterday when I was trying to review what was going on. Because he got mad at Elon Musk and deleted it. his ex account. It's hard.

It's hard because you want to be dismissive of such a boob. But on the other hand, boobery is an epidemic. And Don Lemon is only the white spot on the top of the pimple. We've got, you know, a situation here that is escalating. Your, your skat had a front row seat to it. And so you can testify to the action to this. But I'm starting to see pictures of protesters carrying, you know, rifles. I'm starting to see this like invitation for an escalation of violence.

I'm starting to see some kind of wantonness towards a confrontation with ice. And I will not be forgiving. I believe that the crowd, while being born with a certain level of boobery, is also being encouraged by other boobs like lemon. But in the end, endorsed and instigated by the biggest of boobs, and that is Jacob Fry and Tim Waltz. I don't think you could have put that any better, to be honest with you. But it is scary when you see these. I don't know if you saw this photo or a video, actually, from yesterday that was going around Will,

where there was this man with a rifle, clearly somebody that is a boob. I mean, he looked like a boob, he was shaped like a boob, standing out in front of his house, saying that he was going to protect his neighbors from the ICE Nazis. So it's like, what are you planning on doing, dude?

Let's say ice comes and they take your, the Venezuelan gang members that live down the street from you. Let's say they come for them. What are you going to do about it? Are you telling me now that you're going to be shooting ice agents in the street?

Because I don't know what else you could be saying by making that statement. And they want to escalate it. They've been told that they are freedom fighters out here. But you went to Minnesota, Nick, a lot like Nick Shirley and others, to look into fraud. And so the real question is how much

of these two issues tied down? together. You know, you know, ICE is saying, and I even have trouble with ICE's explanation a little bit that we're there in response to fraud, because it's not really ICE that investigates fraud. It's ICE that deport to illegal immigrants. But, you know, Walts and Fry have successfully shifted the conversation to ICE away from the fraud, the massive amounts of fraud. And, you know, the question is how much these two issues tied together, because if that's the case, success, success for Ellison and Fry and Waltz. We're not talking about the fraud. Yeah, I believe I was on the Will Kane show like the next day after this because I was already

out here when this started. When this woman decided to try to run down an ice agent, I was already on the ground out here. And I mentioned that to you on the show. I said, look, this is the best thing that's ever happened to Mayor Fry and Tim Walts and Keith Ellison because they're going to be able to just fan the flames of angry leftist rioters, like people that have been missing the riot season of 2020. And now they can go out, they'll do their thing, they'll enable it to happen essentially. And that's what, and that's exactly what they needed because this Somali fraud thing was just not going away. It was weeks that had gone by of just, you know, almost two weeks, I believe, of people just straight talking about that nonstop all day,

day on the internet and then on on on fox the other networks didn't bother touching it and uh and that's why tim waltz had to end up you i think it got like this close to having to actually resign over the entire issue but then this came this was a godsend for him the only thing that didn't work out for him is that it was a white woman and not a uh a somali or uh or black woman even they would have loved to have had a georgett floyd out here let the whole place burn down just so that they don't have to talk about the fraud anymore. What, you started this conversation, we started with the conversation about you being robbed last night. And I asked you for your first-hand experience for everything that's happening, Nick.

But then you told me that now that the FBI, it's why you stayed in Minnesota to work with the FBI, there might be more to the story. So let's end this where we begin. What's more to the story about this robbery? Well, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that there are, I got to be a little bit careful about what I mention on, you know, on air right now. But there's, yeah, okay, let me not say that part. But when that, the camera was taken, we don't expect the Minnesota authorities to do anything about it at all. they straight up told me that they weren't going to do anything about it at all because they had other calls that they had to get to even though we believe that the vehicle

was parked at the apartment complex that we had just gone to right and and they have no interest in solving this case they have no interest in getting that camera back there's potentially who we believe actually stole the camera is why there is a federal nexus to this. I just can't say much about who that person may be just yet. Was this going to be a name that I know? Because we were able to get the plate number and everything off of the vehicle. When you say a national question, is this going to be somebody,

is this going to be something that is not a shock? Like, is this going to be connected to in some way, perhaps somebody that I know? I'd probably not connected to somebody that you would know, but who the vehicle is registered to and other FBI investigations that may or may not already be going on into that the registered owner. Okay. Okay. So that's that's that's that's that's more or less where that comes in. Like I said, I have to be careful. This may or may not be connected to what you're talking about right now, but we can also broaden it into what you've seen on the ground finally. Like to the extent that you can tell how much of what's happening in Minneapolis is professionalized, organized, paid. Well, when you see the same people out on the street every single day, I mean, they have, the organization is tremendous.

Well, it's like I would love to see conservatives be able to organize, not in this way, right? not in paid protests and paid riots, essentially, and agitation out there, but every time there is a protest or a shooting like that, when that, the Venezuelan illegal ran out of an ice agent and tried to hit him with a shovel and he got shot in the leg, they responded to that scene so quickly, they responded there before I could get there,

like 15 minutes before I could get there, and I was, you know, already, I was in the middle of the city at the time. So it should have been very quick and easy for me to get there at the time. They already had supplies on the ground, big bulk supplies, hand warmers. They have food. They have prepackaged drinks. They're just handing out out of the back of multiple vehicles stationed at different areas within these ongoing riots.

And it's all the same stuff, all bought involved. They had firewood that was delivered to the scene outside of the ice facility the other day, and they had multiple fires set up so that they could keep warm. And they do this thing, Will, which I think is very interesting. They like to act like everything as a grassroots effort. So they'll bring out a food truck and set it up outside and say, oh, well, little Johnny's hot dogs has decided that they're going to give back to their community, and they're going to be giving out hot dogs to everybody.

everybody that comes out today. And so I went up and I wanted to see like, okay, what that was about. So I go up and they give you two big beef hot dogs, a side of kettle chips and your choice of a soft drink. And you're telling me that this little local food truck, like run down food truck, shall I say, is just giving this stuff out?

Or did somebody else come in and pay them to do that, to come there? and give this stuff out to say that it was a grassroots effort to act like there's not big money behind it. There are tens of thousands of dollars that go into each of these autonomous zones when they set them up out here and how all the supplies get there so quickly and in bulk is really an incredible thing.

I'm not believing for a second that it is grassroots and mutual aid. I didn't know that women in foresters ate hot dogs. I could see the booob with the gun being a big, big hot dog guy. Don't tell me that I was eating a vegan hot dog, man. I think generally women enforcers are opposed to hot dogs. So I could be wrong. All different guys. What do I know? What do I know? I'm just guessing. All right. Nick's order independent journalists, check him out all over social media. Appreciate the reporting you're doing from Minnesota. Good to see you, Nick. Thank you. Thank you for shining the light on this, Will.

Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. By the way, you, the Wilicia, have joined in as well. I'm having some trouble here with my ability to share messages, Dan. Yeah, what's going on down there? Come on, Ed, if you think you know the answer, you can walk on to set and fix that. But we're having some trouble here. I'd like to see, Ed, try. We have to restart it there, Ed, Ed, if you could tell them.

He says you might have to restart it. started. Oh, that's what he did. He's unplugging it. Yep. It's always a, I've never fully appreciated simply unplug something and plug it back in. And that's the way you reset everything. Yeah, really?

Yes. Is that troubleshoot step number one? Number one. Unplug. Unplug it, plug it back in, see what happens. That's number one solver. Ed was up in Minnesota and he was driving a wagon here. problems. The Wagonier.

Wow. I'll give that a second because I want to bring in the audience. The Wollisha has some comments that have been contributed to this conversation. And I can share some of that with you right now. Monterey says there is no cure for TDS. And then the lion's stare ministry over on YouTube says a paid mob, you can find paid agitator jobs on ZipRecruiter. Kamala Kinelli, frequent commenter, says, is way too much. I'm sick of it.

And you have to think, public polling has been pretty split, right? You know, like there's a lot of people who, as we talked about last week, have this, this odd position of suggesting they want to deport criminals, certainly criminal illegal aliens, and many people illegal aliens, but they don't like the way ICE is doing it, which brings up the question like, in what way do you want ICE to do it? But this, disrupting a church service seems to be a situation where that polling will flip and flipped on its head. devil's advocate agrees unacceptable by the Minnesota police. Then we go over to Facebook. And Barry Kahn says, law and order shouldn't be optional. Protect the citizens, not the criminals. And then Kim Alexander says, who do these people think they are?

You can't impede traffic and steal someone's property. This is the United States. Is it not? Who gave these libtards permission to harass and harm members of the legitimate media? What are you laughing at? Invocation of the word libtard? Yeah. I haven't heard that one in a while, so it's a nice throwback. I hate to break it to Kim, but the truth is, of course they can do that.

If you can use your car to block in a legitimate law enforcement operation, if you can blow whistles to alert criminals to the presence of law enforcement, if you can physically intervene in the arrest and detention of a suspected criminal, of course you can do so to a private citizen. This is not the United States of America. This is Sparta. This is Minnesota. Kick them in.

And then over back over to YouTube. Wicked Sight says, you can't do anything you want under the guys of protesting. They are infringing on the rights of worshippers in that church. And then Helen Johnson says, once they've done it, they will be emboldened to do it once again. And that's my biggest concern, Helen. It's like, you know, it doesn't get better from here. certainly not with the way that Minneapolis's leaders are acting. How does this get better?

That's a question for you. Two days, tenfold. How does this get better? The answer by Fry and Waltz is for the federal government and law enforcement to leave Minnesota. That's quite a statement. So how does this get better? Professionally in public. I mean, if you had to guess right now, does this get better or does this get worse?

I put a poll question up. of that, what happens next in Minnesota. Does protests fade out, escalate, are there major arrest, or is their federal intervention? I mean, does Trump have to send people in? Is that what it is? Send the National Guard? Look, dude, if you're now interrupting,

disrupting church service, if you are acting as sort of an East German secret police, you know, neighbor spying on neighbors, turning on normal people and giving them the third degree on the streets as to whether or not

their ice, you're there. The only thing that we haven't seen is the tactic of the past during racial riots and that is destruction of public property.

Like we just haven't seen buildings burn down. We haven't seen that. But we're to the stage now of people carrying guns on the street. Yeah. Breaking the cars?

Yeah. I mean, it looked pretty wild. It looked a lot like riots. But, you know. Yeah. Nick just said destruction of rental cars. They also destroyed, broke into a police lockbox and stole guns and ammunition. I believe we have that video.

I think we have that video. Yeah. Oh yeah. We do. Roll it in. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That is insane.

And it's a dude with a facetat taken off with an FBI. Is that what they said? To say FBI? It said rifle, right? An FBI rifle. Like, okay, all right. Let me just give you a scenario. Okay. Let me just give you a scenario. You're driving through Missouri. I just want to pick something on its face neutral, somewhat of a purple state. Is it north? Is it south? Is it Midwest? You're driving through Missouri. A cop has someone pulled over, right? You decide to hell with that. not in the show me state, and you pull over. First you use your car to block the cop in. Then you get out and you get between the cop and the person that he is questioning. Physically, you get between. You start blowing a whistle. You start yelling and you tell the guy take off running. And then you take a hammer and you start hitting the cop's car.

At some point, breaking into his lockbox might be two on the nose, but you could reach inside and grab his shotgun. which is mounted between the passenger seat and the driver's seat, and you steal his gun. In any normal course of interaction, which one of those behaviors would have got your ass shot? Like, which one? I think the answer is all of the above. Certainly number two. Like the minute you start physically getting in between the officer and his arrest. And we're way beyond that on more than an anecdotal basis in Minnesota.

And this is, in many cases, that was FBI. This is happening to Minneapolis police. It's not just happening to ICE. It's not just happening to Feds. It's happening to Minneapolis police. And then yet you have these Minneapolis police who are under the orders of Jacob Fry and their police chief. And I've seen tweets about this and I can't establish the veracity. Are these Minneapolis officers looking to take paid leave to get off, the morale low?

What's the situation with Minneapolis police? I would love that interview. Chief Police, a real Minneapolis police officer. What's it like inside that department? I know this because Fry's mentioned it on several occasions. There's 600 police officers in Minneapolis. Do they agree with what their leaders are having them not do in Minneapolis? I want to know the opinions of the police.

If anybody has friends or family watching or listening, I want to hear from Minneapolis police about how they feel about the forced standoff between themselves and their law enforcement brethren in the feds because of their political leaders in Minneapolis. Two of days. I think that they would say they just wanted to end so they can go back to what they were doing. I mean, on both sides, like going up to Nick's order and telling him he should leave.

But they're probably saying the same thing to protesters are saying, hey, you guys need to leave this area. So I think they're just trying to get rid of or disperse everything. Have you seen the video of the ICE officer driving up to one of those protesters? He rolls down his window. And he's like, what are you doing?

Ma'am, we are trying to arrest a child sexual predator. That's who we're in the process of arresting. And you are blowing your whistle and you are screaming and honking and warning and interrupting in defense and protection of a child sex predator. And he says, insane. What are you doing, ma'am? And he's exhausted and exasperated.

And she kind of doesn't have a response. Oh, oh. I mean, but I will guarantee you she didn't change her behavior after that. I will guarantee you she would go, hey guys, that dude touches kids. Maybe we should pull off. You know, I guarantee that didn't happen. Yeah, she got right back to the whistle.

Go ahead, two days. No, I was just saying, I'm sure she probably went right back to it and probably escalated at that point. How dare you talk to me like that? How dare you try to get these criminals? So remember, Will Cain's show at Fox.com, if you are a Minneapolis police officer, and you want to discuss this.

friends, family, you got a loved one. You know somebody's Minneapolis police officer. I want to hear you. We can start with off the record if you like. If you want to go on the record, we'll do that. We can do Will Kane Country or we can do Will Kane Show on Fox News. Coming up, Barstools, Casey Smith on her prediction for the national championship, Indiana versus Miami on Will Kane Country. A few weeks ago on Fox News, we had Barstools Casey Smith.

Yeah. Casey covers college football, among other things, over at Barstall. And tonight is the national championship game between the University of Miami and Indiana. The word is feel funny coming out of your mouth, but it is not only Miami versus Indiana, it is Indiana favored by eight and a half. So let's now welcome in Barstall Sports. Casey Smith to Will Cane Country. Hey, Casey. Hi, Will. How are you doing? I'm good. How are you?

Well, I'm okay. I have to tell you before we get started on this game, I'm very thankful that you didn't have me back on this podcast after Thanksgiving weekend. Because after all the crap we talked back and forth about A&M in Texas, I thought you would have me on to have to eat my crow. And you didn't. So I thank you for that. I should have. I should have. Casey, I can geo locate you based just off your shot. I know exactly where you are right now.

Oh, yeah. Let me go this way. If I'm wrong, I will, I will, I will, Ecro. Casey, you are at New York, LaGuardia Airport. I am. You are in terminal. It's the American Airlines terminal. I just can't remember.

Is it C? I can't remember the letter. It's B. But you're in the American Airlines terminal. It's B. you've gone downstairs, down the escalator. You've got gates to your left and gates to your right. And you're facing a few gates.

There's always like two or three gates in front of you. And there's the Irving Farms coffee house right behind you. I know exactly where you are based upon the shot right now. Yes. Yes. I am, it's okay. It's all right. I mean, I figured with this in the background, people could probably find me.

I have to fly to Chicago where our headquarters are, our sports headquarters, to stream the national championship and to do our podcast reaction afterwards, but I was asked to jump on your show. So I said, you know what, I'll just post up, have a coffee, and talk some football with Will at the airport. Why not? What are you going to be doing? Are you going to be live streaming the national championship game?

Do you live stream your observations and commentary along with some friends during the game? I know you're going to do post game. What do you do during the game? So Barstle has a gambling cave, and we've done this for years, and it used to be electric chairs back when Dave Portnoy started this a long time ago, where it was usually just the people like the teams we're playing. Now it's because we're with draft kings. We all sit and we watch specific games.

And you can just tune in to watch us watching. And of course, social media is the biggest part of it. But we live stream. So for better or for worse, we're watching the whole thing. You can watch that on YouTube. And then we'll also be live on the podcast after. So I'm going to be live for probably about five hours tonight. That'll be, so I'm live right now.

So it's just one of those days. It's just live football all day, every day. But I got to tell you, Will. And I know you're a college football guy. The fact that we've had to wait this long for this game, I'm ready to be live. I'd be live all day. I'm just so happy it's finally here. It took forever to get here.

I've always wanted to do one of those, Casey. That's why I was asking about what you're going to do. I think that looks fun. Like, stream live as you watch a game, commentary with your friends, having a man cave, you know, and it all set up. You can't see the screen because you guys don't have the rights, I would imagine, to the national championship game, right? So we only see you watching the screen and commenting

on the game. But it's like virtually hanging out with your friends watching the game. Yes, and I actually have found myself when I'm at home and there are other games on, depending on who's on the stream and what I want to watch that night. Sometimes I will throw the stream from Chicago on my laptop while I'm watching games because I'm more interested in their reactions than the actual game itself. Now, if my team are playing, I don't want to be around anybody. But if I don't have a dog in the fight, it is. It's like hanging out and watching your friends.

So I will be a part of that tonight. Most of our Indiana fans are at the game, so they will not be in the cave with us. So we will be rooting them on from afar. Okay, let's return to college football in a moment because I want to end this show, getting your prediction on Miami versus Indiana. But I want to start with the Minneapolis shooting. I'm just kidding. I'm not going to do that to Casey.

But one fascinating thing about the video, the ICE video in Minnesota, but watch this. I'm going to do something. The one fascinating thing is that you can take two people, see that same video that come over very different conclusions. And that so is also the case with what happened in the NFL playoffs this weekend. Buffalo versus Denver. The play that would have set up a game-winning field goal for Buffalo, something like a 30-odd yard pass to Brandon Cooks. He catches it in the air. He never takes a step. He never gets his feet down, really. He lands on the ground. But at the same time he's landing, the Broncos' defensive back lands on top of him. They both

both role, and the Broncos' defensive back ends up with the ball. He immediately gets up, which, by the way, I think was key. I think him getting up and celebrating like it was an obvious interception actually plays on the minds of the officials and everybody. He ran to the end zone. There was no doubt. It was complete certainty in his mind that he had an interception. And it has divided the world. And I have a take. I am on one side of this. You know, half the world thinks this is an absolute travesty that it was a catch, that he was down by contact, Brandon Cook's, the bill's receiver. He was down by by contact the minute he hit the ground and the defense back hit him. So it's a completed catch. Others saying he did not complete the process of a catch and therefore it's an interception.

One thing it's not is an incomplete pass. It's one or the other. And so what say you, Casey Smith? Well, what you just said is the main phrase that you use that I keep going back to this is the process of a catch because I absolutely believe that was a catch by Brandon Cook's. I do not believe it should have been an interception. And I think we've gotten too fancy in the NFL specific. specifically on what constitutes a catch. I feel like it should be common sense. He has control of the ball. He hits the ground.

That's a catch to me because had the ball come out after he's already on the ground, then it would have been a whole different conversation. So the rolling back and forth and you are right. The key was the defender standing straight up. But I absolutely think it's a travesty. And when you look at the games throughout the season, it's kind of just a toss up on what they're going to choose in that moment. And for a playoff game to come down to that when most people with common sense can say,

or at least, I mean, maybe I'm saying I have common sense. That was a catch by Brandon Cooks, and it should have stayed with the bills. All right, let me ask you a question. If Brandon Cooks caught that ball in the very same fashion and the Broncos DB was not even present, and he hit the ground and it instantly bobbed and came out of his chest, would that have been a catch? So no, by the NFL standards, but that's where I go back to, I think we've gotten too fancy. Like, had he maintained control and he was down on the ground, And then it rolls out.

They're going to probably call it an incomplete catch, but it shouldn't be. Like we're making this too complicated in the NFL. Now, that is a key right there because the defender stood up. But I still think, and maybe by the, you know, the letter of the law, it was an interception. By the letter of the law, it would have been an incomplete pass. It should have been a complete pass by Josh Allen and Brandon Cooks, in my opinion. Well, I, okay, I disagree. I think it was a legit interception.

I actually think the officials got it correct. I don't disagree with you that the process of a catch has become so legalized and defined by the rules that we've lost all common sense of what a catch is. But there's really no way to fix that unless we're just going to say, refs, use your common sense. Does it look like a catch? Bottom line is it's been written what a catch is. And a catch is you have to maintain possession, do a football move. I believe take three steps, generally if you're in bounds, something like that. two or three steps, a football move, and it's a catch.

If you don't, so if you're laying out and flying through the air, it can still be a catch, but you have to, quote, unquote, survive the ground. That means you can't hit the ground and have it bounce out. Then it's not a catch. I think at first I was on your side. And if it matters to anybody watching, I would rather the bills have won that game. I would rather, Josh Allen be in the AFC championship game. I would rather, if you think there's a bias here, Josh Allen to win his first Super Bowl.

I like Josh Allen. So I wasn't rooting for the Broncos. But I think that he, the idea that he was down by contact doesn't work. He has to first complete the catch. And the minute he hits the ground, we can bang, bang it. And I've seen videos from different angles. And I've seen the defender starting to rip it before he even hits the ground. When does it come out?

But he doesn't, by the definition of a catch, survive the ground. and the defensive back does. The defensive back does. And I think it was an interception. It definitely has divided everybody. There's no question. And of course, the narrative, which is always a cliche term in sports, but now moving forward with Bo Nix being hurt.

Because now you can really look at that play and be like, well, if that wouldn't have happened, then, you know, Josh Allen and the bills are going to be in the championship. And, you know, there's all the after the thought of what actually happened. My thing is, and again, you look at all these words, what actually is a footballer? what actually means surviving the ground? All of these different things,

we just complicated it too much. So by the letter of the law, your point absolutely makes sense, and there's obviously a lot of people that are on that side. I just said, and Fuku Nakua had a catch, you know,

at the end of the regular season in the same fashion where it was just like, this should be a catch. This should be something that we're celebrating. Like, oh, my God, I can't believe these guys

are making these catches. And instead we overcomplicate it. We slow it down. And it just makes it not as much fun in the moment. But at the end of the day, you can make an argument that was the right. It definitely wasn't one where, you know, 85% of the crowd is on one side.

So you can make an argument. I just think that he caught the ball. Maybe it's weird to talk about two losing teams, but they're kind of to me, I mean, they're the most interesting stories. I don't know if they're the biggest stories because the biggest story may be how good the Seattle Seahawks are. The Seattle Seahawks are really good. And I love, love the Sam Donald story. I love it.

But I'm not a particularly big fan of Caleb Williams, but at some point, it's just, it's getting incredible. these comebacks. That play, I was on the sidelines of one of my kids' soccer games last night, watching the game on my phone. And you could hear the other dads that were doing the same thing, because everybody erupted. Fourth and four, he rolls back, what, 25 yards he's being chased. And then he tosses like a, I think what amounts to about a 55-yard pass. It's like a hot pass, too. He jumps, both feet are in the air. And he lofts it up over everybody to where his tied-in, Colquette, is wide open in the back of the end zone. to tie the game and send into overtime.

But that play and Caleb Williams, I don't know. He's got some Patrick Mahomes. It was, I was sitting in bed watching it, and it was one of those where I sat up and gasped. I'm all by myself, and I just couldn't believe that we watched that. I mean, and you mentioned just the athleticism you have to have, but he's off his back foot, too, to heave it, and to know that he has a receiver in the back of the end zone,

and not to mention, one of the worst defensive moves by multiple defenders there just to leave him wide open. And I like Caleb Williams. I liked Caleb Williams in college. But there is some magic with this kid and you look at this team. And it was going to end. I don't believe the Chicago Bears were going to win the Super Bowl this year. But for that play to happen and then to turn around and I don't think that it was fully

his fault, the interception in overtime. I think that there was a miscommunication on the route. But it was, I was sad for Caleb Williams. I don't know if it was like the mom coming out in me or something, but I just wanted to hug him. I was like, how do you make a play that's that. phenomenal and then end up losing the game, but that highlight's going to live forever. It was unreal.

To see it, completing the past, like having the arm to do that is one thing, but to even see it because he had like four or five defensive linemen, like breathing right down his neck. I don't know how he saw all the way down the field that that guy's going to be open. Absolutely incredible. Okay. Now, national championship game. Miami versus Indiana. I don't know what your biggest storyline going into.

this is for me it's Indiana's roster. The biggest stat and fascinating thing about Indiana to me is I think the average age at Indiana is something like 23. Like we're talking about fourth and fifth year players that Signetti has brought into Indiana. They are so much older than other, even teams like Ohio State who, yes, they have five-star guys, but they have 18 and 19-year-old five. star guys, and Indiana's built on three and four star 22, 23-year-olds.

And that's pretty, that's a, that's a formula maybe. I don't know if everybody can copy it. Signetti's also a great coach. But yeah, having four more years experience in college football, pretty valuable. Yeah, I think that my storyline going into this is along those same lines. And I feel like when you look at the way college football has changed so much, just even the last few years. and the argument all season about when the Penn State job opens up, should Kurt Signetti go take that job because it's, quote, easier to win at Penn State than it is at Indiana?

Lane Kiffin, should he leave Ole Miss to go to LSU because it's easier to win at LSU? I think that that narrative is dead because Kurt Signetti is showing us in two years at the historically worst college football program, you can be playing for a national title, and I believe going to win a national title tonight, if you can go into the transfer portal and get the guys, if you can get NIA, money and support. And then you find guys that are still in college and you can get them all to develop on the field. And that's why I think Kurt Signetti has changed the way we look at college football because you don't have to be at one of these big name colleges with all the five-star recruits in order

to win because the transfer portal has allowed these guys to, A, play longer, but then also get paid, whereas a lot of them would have gone to the draft to make money right away. Now you can make that in college. So I think that he's a genius. I think he's a phenomenal coach. And that to me is the storyline. game. Yeah. And then I don't think we have this video, but Miami is not, a lot of this can apply to Miami as well because I believe that Carson Beck is in his, is he in his sixth year of college football?

Well, he graduated two years ago. Something. Yeah. Yeah, that video is going around. Somebody said something about his classes. He goes, well, I graduated two years ago from college, which is insane. But I was arguing with a buddy. You have that video two days? I don't have the video I was saying it's a six year of college. Sixth year of college for Carson Beck. Casey is an A&M fan, as you mentioned. I'm a Texan. And I was kind of debating a couple of my buddies next year.

What does Texas do after Arch Manning? Well, Texas has a five-star quarterback recruit coming in who's an absolute stud. It's Rajabelle's son, Rajabelle from the NBA, Diabelle. And my buddy's like, well, Dia Bell will become the quarterback. And I'm like, we also have another stud, KJ Lacey from Alabama, who would only be like a sophomore. But I said, I don't know if those days are over. The days of a five-star freshman or sophomore starting on a team that's trying to win a

national championship, you had Julian say in this year, and he was kind of the exception to this, because now the formula is go find a quarterback that has a ton of experience. Maybe he was FBS or FCS. Maybe he was at a mid-major conference school. Maybe he was at a bad power four conference school, but he shows that he's actually a pretty good quarterback and he's got the experience. I just start, I think that the future might be, you know, Indiana's got Josh Hoover coming from TCU. It's going to play one year, just like Fernando Mendoza did next year. And I'm looking at Miami and Indiana thinking, this also is the formula, like a new quarterback every year or two, a junior or senior.

I don't know how much you can play a freshman, no matter how bigger recruit he is if you're trying to win a national title. Yeah, I mean, regardless of if people like the way the formula is moving right now, it is the formula to win. And then do I think guys should play years and years after they have graduated college? I personally don't care, but it does take away the college athlete aspect. But that's been gone for a long time. This is a business now, and it does come down to money. Carson Beck got paid $4 million to go play at Miami. I mean, these guys are getting massive, massive money.

And so it is the formula right now. And then you have to have a coach like Kurt Signetti to be able to put it all together like Mario Cristobol. But when you look at just Indiana and how fast this all turned around, that can't happen if you go out and you get just four and five star recruits near as easily as it is when you put together a transfer portal with guys who have been playing college football for a longer period of time. And that's just the way the world is.

And so you either get with it or you're going to get left behind. And we've seen that at Clemson. Clemson have the best roster retention of any school going into this season. And you've got a guy who knows how to win national titles. And they were awful this year. Why? Dabo won't go into the transfer portal. You won't buy into this NIL era, and that's going to pass him by. So guys like Kurt Signetti are the next wave of college football coaches saying,

we've got this figured out. All right, you slipped it in a little bit earlier. Your prediction tonight for the national championship game, I hear you saying Indiana. I think Indiana wins. I actually said my official score prediction is going to be 4521. I think that this Indiana team, and it's not just how I think. You're watching them right now.

They are perfect. They're perfect in every aspect of the game. game coaching, obviously Fernando Mendoza, who I absolutely adore. I think he's amazing. Everything that they do looks perfect right now. And Miami has played very well, especially, you know, in the playoff. The thing with Carson Beck is if you can get him to make mistakes, which I believe Indiana is going to be able to do, that's when the wheels start to fall off. And you look at their loss to Louisville and their loss to SMU, he had six total interceptions. If Indiana can put a little pressure on him, I think it starts to get away from them. I think it'll be close early. But every

facet of the game. Indiana just looks amazing. This Miami defensive front's a little scary. You know, Rubin Bain and Mesidor, and I get that. I just don't think that they can hang with them for four quarters. And I just think this is Indiana's year. I think that they have looked phenomenal and they're playing perfect football. Wow, that's a bit of a blowout you've got there. I also think Indiana will win the national championship. I think it'll be an incredible story. Like you said, the worst program in college football history, Indiana. And they're on the doorstep of a national championship. Watch along with Casey, by the way, over at Barstall. You can have fun, see if Indiana covers that eight and a half as well with the guys and gals over Barstall. Have a safe flight, Casey.

Thanks for joining us here today. Thank you. We'll. Talk to you soon. Okay, there she goes. Casey Smith at Barstool. All right. Have a good time. Watch the National Championship game today before you tune over. You can still fit in the Will Kane show at 4 o'clock on the Fox News Channel, Eastern Time. Make sure you subscribe to us to Spotify or on and we'll see you again next time. Listen to ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon Music app.