Will Cain Country - ‘No Kings’—Not as Grassroots as It Looks? (ft. Rep. Chip Roy & Wynton Hall)

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

After millions of Americans took to the streets over the weekend for another “No Kings” rally, a genuine question must be asked: is this a result of genuine public outrage, or simply another display funded by activist billionaires like George Soros and Neville Roy Singham? Congressman Chip Roy (R-TX) helps examine the legitimacy of last weekend’s protests, and also shares some of his strategies for advancing Republican-led legislation over immigration reform when public support appears uncertain.Plus, the Author of ‘CODE RED: The Left, the Right, China, & the Race to Control AI’ Wynton Hall joins Will to share about the existential threat posed by AI, both to the domestic job market and the global balance of power as a whole, and Will & The Crew respond to your comments and breakdown Tiger Woods' latest car accident.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Career politicians with half a century in office, aged rock stars and actresses, and useful idiots waving communist flags, all funded and organized by far-left billionaires connected to communist China are here to proclaim no kings. Plus Congressman Chip Roy, an author, Winton Hull. Sure, you stream alive at the Wilking Country YouTube channel, the Wilkamp Facebook page here as always by following us at Spotify or on Apple. Good news. Today we wake up once again in the United States of America, not a constitutional republic today. We wake up once again without a king. Thanks in no small part to the help from Jane Fonda, Bruce Springs, and Bernie Sanders.

And of course, our friend Neville Roy Singham of the CCP. Tenfoil Pat, two a days, Dan, hanging out with us here today. The video's going around from this weekend, while seemingly on repeat,

we're probably on episode seven of the Fast and Furious. No Kings. Yeah. They still manage to capture your attention. manage to drop your draw. They still manage to kind of raise the eyebrow. And the wild thing about it is while, you know, some gay dudes in their undies or some useful idiots waving a communist

flag become the image that exist in your mind, you also have like people you know, people you're related to, your neighbors that turn out for no kings. It still has the ability to gather and bring together people that you walk amongst that you think you know who buy in. And as much as you want to laugh it off, you know, as much as you want to laugh off, Robert De Niro at the No Kings rally. Who says this? But when the crowds are chanting no kings, what I'm really hearing is we all know is no Trump.

That's right. There have been other presidents who have tested the constitutional limits of their power, but none have been such an existential threat to our freedoms and security. None except Trump. He must be stopped and he must be stopped now. He made that happen. As much you want to laugh, Robert Niro actually nails it. As much as this is no Kings, this is no Trump.

The feebleness in his voice does make me have just a bit of humility that we're all headed there to some extent. We're all headed to that wavy voice, fragile ego. We're all headed towards 85. But you're when you're closer. Setting that aside, I am one year closer. Thank you, Patrick. Happy belated birthday. Aren't we all one year closer at all times?

Yeah. Yeah. It was my birthday. It was my birthday this weekend. Were you at the networking show? Dan and Patrick both take the day off for their birthday. Sometimes multiple days off for their birthday. Grown-ass men taking time off for their birthdays.

I just started this year. I was like, I'm not going to waste my life. It's embarrassing. You're going to celebrate. Live it. Yeah. Of all the things to live your life on is really the birthday the thing? Like, you're like, it's my birthday. Like, you're seven? Like, what are you doing?

It's weird we celebrate them. It's like, oh, yay, I lived another year longer. It's me day. No, it's not even about that. It's me day. You're right. It's like, this is your day. It's me day. Yeah. Yeah. When is your birthday, Patrick? February 20th. Oh, oops. Dan, when is your birthday? March 20th. I just had mine. Oh, God. I text. of you. I did, I know, I know, I did text you, Dan. That's the worst. I got a text from a buddy this morning and said, hey, man, sorry I missed your birthday a couple of days. And I'm like, his birthday was like seven days before mine. And I didn't send a text, you know?

But we're dudes. Come on. I know. Come on. Right? Come on. You know, speaking of that, like, I don't know how this is connected, but I actually kind of think it is. Like, they had a no king's rally in London. Make it make sense. Literal. Make that make sense to me. They have a king, and they're having a no king's rally in England.

Maybe they're trying to say something. They're trying to, it's an uprising. And, you know, you could play the sound from De Niro, and you can play some Bruce Springsteen or Jane Fonda, which is like just a rehash, a reprisal of the 1960s anti-Vietnam War to some extent there. With those

three figures. That's what you're looking at. But the image that really matters to me, the one that gets to you, is when you see these people, and I believe it was in Times Square, was it Times Square? And you're talking a dozen different communist flags, like hammer and sickle, red flags, flying, open chanting for communism. Yeah, put it up. That's incredible. That's incredible. That's incredible. That one doesn't make me laugh, though, man. So here's the thing that really got that, okay, the hypocrisy is hilarious, a no-kings rally in Europe, in England. The fact that Chuck Schumer, who's been in office, I believe, for 47 years, and Bernie Sanders, who's been in there for over four decades and on and on, are literally the political face of a no-king's rally. They've been in office for half a century.

Donald Trump has five years in elected office, five years in elected office, and we're worried about him being a king, told to us again by people who've been in there since the 1970s. And the hypocrisy is one thing. But these people, I don't know about those people that are waving those communist flags, but I think the vast majority, some of whom, Dan, you know, are the useful idiots of people that are part of something. much bigger, much more organized, and much more funded. And this is when brains start hearing white noise. This is when our friends on the left stop believing me. But this is actual reporting, which we did all last week. You could listen to every episode with Azernamani talking about.

In this case, Neville Roy Singham, who is connected to the Chinese Communist Party, putting $278 million into funding something like 57 different organizations, all of whom's logo appear on the placards at these rations. or George Soros. What's the name of the one that Soros has scattered across the country that was big on this? Isn't it like, starts with an eye, didn't it, Patrick? Do you know? I am not aware. I don't remember that. You can just say no. You don't have to start frantically Googling. Okay. But Soros, the Tides Foundation, all these those, they're all throughout the state. And they all have a stated agenda. Say it, Dan? Open society foundations, it looks like.

no no not that one um foundation he does have that that's true but um all these people are sort of like flotsam floating floating along the stream of a river that has a defined direction

that has a current and it's not a naturally flowing river it is a river that is dammed and diked and guided and these are the men and those people that are out there in those streets and they were everywhere they were in hawaii they were in new york they were in states they were in every city across, every big city, across the country, are useful idiots in something much larger than

simply their disdain for Donald Trump. And that's the most concerning part for me. And it is not untethered from put a mask on. It is not untethered from get the Vax. It is not untethered from anything that becomes mass psychosis. You accept certain. premises, you ride along the roller coaster because that's what everyone else is doing. The people that actually work for the people's forum, the people that actually work for Code Pink, those aren't the ones I'm worried about. I'm worried about your brother, your sister, your aunt, your uncle, your neighbor, your cousin, your friend who go out there and join these people, not knowing that they've actually joined

something very formal, very organized. very well funded and with a very defined agenda. Congressman Chip Roy of the great state of Texas joins us now here on the Will Kane show. So I was thinking about this because it ties into a conversation we were having last night or last week. Your name is Charles. And I'm just curious when you started going by Chip. I didn't even know that Chip really was, I know Chas, because I'm a Charles. I know Chas, I know Chuck, I know Charlie.

I don't think I ever really thought about Chip being a Charles. Yeah, my parents started to call me a Chip right out of the gate pretty early. Charles is a longtime family name going way back in my family. But I don't even know why. They just liked it. And I do think it was a X percent, you know, nickname at the time. I mean, are you like a, are you Charles William? Is that why you're Will?

What's your handle? Yeah. Well, yeah, Charles, this is going to sound pretentious, but once I explain it, hopefully it's less so. Charles Williams, like the last name, because it's my mother's maiden name. But just like you, I was Will right out of the shoot. I mean, they just called me Will. I think parents, sometimes you look at your kid and you go, that's what I'm going to call you. My son is a Charles.

He's not a junior, but we call him Charlie. He was just a Charlie. You know, my daughter's Virginia, she was never a Jenny. She's Virginia. We call her Virginia. It's just, you know. And sometimes you look at your kid and you know what works and what doesn't. Speaking of Charlie, he's taken on to the Texas country music scene like you and I.

He was at Flatland at the Austin Rodeo on Thursday night and said it was an extraordinary concert with a few of his friends. And he and I went to Briscoe last Saturday down at the Devil's Backbone Tavern. And so we've been on a pretty good run. How old is he? Charlie's 16. Nice. Like you, Charles is a lot of. longtime family name, multiple generations.

So my son is Charles, and he is also Charlie, and has been his whole life. And he likes that same music. By the way, he introduced me last night to a new one. Is it the old 60s? You ever heard of the old 60s? Yeah, they're good. There's so many

there's so many great acts out there now that you would never know. I mean, there's the one, the internet's got a lot of downsides, but getting out on Spotify and finding some of these great bands that you normally would have missed because the label didn't put them out. Folks, you can go see live. It's fantastic.

There's so many good ones out there. Ryan Bingham came out with some good stuff last week, a couple of new songs to add onto his list. And, you know, the country music seems pretty good right now. Congressman and I like a lot of the same music. That's what we're talking about right now. Does it ever bother you? Like, most of, and I don't know.

I don't know the political affiliations. Look, man, I don't look at my favorite actors. movies and music and ask, do they share my political beliefs? I don't normally do that at all. Right. But there's times that they shove it in my face. And like they want me to know. They want me to know this is what I believe. And it's like they're forcing me into like, they're almost like disinviting me. I'll give you two names. And I like both their music. Charlie Crockett and Sturgeon and I like them both a lot. But they like they each have been on Instagram sort of almost like disinviting me from liking their music because we disagree on politics.

You know, it's interesting. So many of the folks I know, you know, a lot of them in the Texas scene, they're quiet about it, but they'll tell you that they're with you. They, you know, they talk to us a lot. You know, if I show up to events or something, they'll pull me aside, say, hey, I'm with you. You know, and I, look, I appreciate it if they don't get political in either direction. I actually think that's right for musicians, for sports. Those are great escapes from the reality of the world and all the stuff going on.

So I've never been one that I thought those guys should really get all that political. You know, watching Barclay yesterday pop off something about immigration, you know, during the tournament. It just takes you away from enjoying the tournament, right? You just want to watch college basketball. You know, NIL is making that tough enough as it is. But there's a lot of country music artists out there, friends of mine, they're 100% with us, Will. They're usually the less outspoken, but they're mostly with us. Their audiences are mostly with us.

When I go to concerts, even with a bunch of young folks, I get so many people coming up saying, thank you, thanks for what you're doing, thanks for standing up. But yeah, I just ignore. Look, man, if I cancel everybody that disagrees with me, then I'm going to miss out on a lot of good music, a lot of stuff. Some of the ones, you know, the Dixie Chicks were the most infamous, right? They lit themselves on fire. Bruce Robinson, when we never go to see them live around here, Bruce would always joke

when he would sing Travel and Soldier, right? It was like the number one song during the Iraq War, and then it just plummeted when the Dixie Chicks did what they did. He would always joke that they cost him a bunch of royalties. So it just is what it is. By the way, my brother and me by Bruce Robeson is one of my, it's Bruce and Charlie, right?

So good. We miss, speaking of Charlie's, we miss Charlie Robinson. Oh, yeah. Yeah, my brother and me, I love that song so much. You brought it up, perfect transition. So Charles Barkley, and I'm going to say this out front. I know Charles a little bit personally, not a lot, a little bit. I really like Charles.

But that's not about my personal feelings about Charles. I actually really like him sort of as a human being, like as a truth teller, a guy who's definitely willing to be unpopular, to say, whatever it is he thinks. And one thing I'll tell you about Charles that I can say is this dude is independent. He isn't doing anything ever to pander. He is never doing anything that he thinks is going to be cool or popular. He is saying what he thinks. And that's actually what's interesting to me, Congressman, about what he said yesterday during the tournament, during the Elite 8 games, which is the following regarding immigration.

The way some of these other immigrants are getting treated in our country right now is a travesty and a disgrace. I think there's a difference between amazing immigrants. and criminal immigrants. And I think what's going on in our country, what we're doing is some of these amazing immigrants is really unfortunate and it's really sad. Okay, I don't know the context of how that came up. I don't know if that was completely out of the blue

or not, Chip, but I also don't really know, like if I were sitting with Barclay, the first thing I would ask is, what are you talking about? What treatment of immigrants are you talking about? Yeah, well, that would be my question as well. I mean, I think a lot of folks, and I'll even say in good faith, comment on these things without deep understanding or deep knowledge about what we're really talking about. No one disagrees. I don't think anyone disagrees except for the radical left, and that's an important disagreement, that the most dangerous of these illegal aliens need to go, right?

I mean, the radical left doesn't seem to think so. But with Charles and I sit in a room, you, I'm sure we all agree. The question that comes up always is like, well, but what about the immigrant who's not actually out there being dangerous and so forth? And then you have to walk through the consequences of open borders, of empowering cartels, of little children, little girls getting abused because we allow them to on a journey in the name of coming here to claim asylum, even though it's not a real asylum claim. The demand that is on our schools in Texas, under Plyle of V. Doe, a wrong-headed Supreme Court opinion. from 40 odd years ago that we must educate illegal alien children, the demand on our jails, the demand on our health care system, the extent to which IDs are stolen, fraud is carried out. All of these things add up when you have a system that is not built on the rule of law.

We are the most welcoming country in the world. But I would remind Charles, we have 51.5 million foreign-born people in this country, the most that we've ever had. It's the highest level. And that means that we've got to re-look. in our entirety of our immigration system and look at what's happening and the impact on our society. We've got 5 million people who have come into this country since 9-11 from majority Muslim countries. That has having a major impact with the march of Islam through the United States.

So there's a lot to unpack and all of that. But the average American is tired of losing their country. That's what I would say to Charles. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with Chip. Congressman Chip Roy on Wilcane Country. After 19 years, they're back. Frankie Munes, Brian Cranston, and the rest of the family reunite in Malcolm in the middle, life's still unfair. After 10 years avoiding them, how and lowest demand Malcolm be at their anniversary party,

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Visit go.com slash Red Cross to donate to service to the armed forces today. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Congressman Chip Roy, who's running for Attorney General of the state of Texas. Two days, Dan tells me that the context of what Barclay was referring to was a conversation over a player from Ukraine that is playing for Yukon. By the way, I feel so bad for that boozer boy that turned the ball over for Duke. I mean, it was a terrible play. But what a tournament. I've never seen anything quite like that. That was, you know, I've watched the tournament for years.

I'm reminded you and I are close to the same age. I was in college and undergraduate when Grant Hill through the pass to Christian Laytoner turned and fired, made the bucket. Bobby Hurley was on that team, right? Danny Hurley's brother, somewhat ironically. That was one of the greatest shots you ever seen with like 1.6 seconds left. This turnover by Boozer, whose dad obviously played for Duke 20 odd years ago, Boozer is unbelievable, right?

They inbound the ball. All they got to do is kill the clock. get fouled something. And they turn it over and Connecticut hits the bomb. It's crazy. It is. It was, and he said it, by the way. He's like, I cost my team our season.

I mean, he's still just a kid. He's 18, 19 years old. He's going to be a great player, but that's a hell of a burden for him to shoulder. Okay. So, and not, I want to go to a little more substance in just a second. Because not only everything you laid out about the cost of unfettered open border immigration to our society as you laid out as the issue, but also as I've been increasingly focused on Congressman, and you have to, we can talk

about the Pause Act in a second and things like this, is that there is cost to a pretty haphazard, in my opinion, legal immigration system that is centered around family reunification, family sponsorship, to a lesser extent, employment, and not assimilation, cultures that will work within America, and I think an overriding desire to be an American. But what I hear when I hear Charles, again, if Gavin Newsom or Elon Omar says something, okay, I don't find that necessarily representative of a large portion of Americans. But if Charles says something, I start to think, how many other Americans think like Charles? I'm not saying rightly. I'm saying he's just not the person that you want to easily dismiss because he's going to say it.

He's going to say what he thinks. And more often than not, even when he's talking about San Antonio, he's saying things that other people have already thought. You know, so I just worry a little bit. I want to have a conversation about the Paws Act. I want to have a conversation about Congressman Ogles revisiting Hart Sellers in the 1965 Immigration Act. but I'm pretty aware that I don't think the rest of America is even capable having a conversation about deporting illegal immigrants. Yeah, well, I mean, this is a great conversation because your point is well taken. And I'll note that in my race for Attorney General, you know, which I'm on the campaign trail as we speak, I'm heading out to Amarillo today, down Lubbock.

I'm going to be all over the state of Texas. But I'm trying to do my day job in Washington, right? I have a day job in important issues, DHS funding, the Save America Act, which I'm the lead author of. So I'm burning both ends of the candle. My opponent is attacking me because in calling me, quote, pro amnesty, literally running ads saying Chip Roy is pro amnesty. Now, Will, I'm not asking you to take a position on the race, but do you know anything about my background that would insinuate or suggest that I'm pro amnesty?

No, of course not. I don't even make you answer it. The fact is I've been fighting that for 20 years and holding the line because amnesty would do, as Ronald Reagan said, it was his biggest regret was that they did an amnesty and never got the security. And then you created a massive snowball effect. Then legal immigration piled on top of it. Now, why do I bring that up? Because in the fall last year, I said something to the effect of what you're getting at where I was talking to fire breathing conservatives in East Texas.

And I said something along the lines of, look, my goal here is let's prioritize the people who, the people who are, are here that are undermining our society the most. Let's focus on them. I said at the same time, if you're here illegally, you need to be removed. I said at the same time that we need to revamp our legal immigration system, which has been violently abused to undermine our society, advance Islam into our state and our country. But when I said we should prioritize it and focus on the Somalis, focus on the dangerous actors, then it was suggested that somehow I'm pro amnesty. That means that I'm not wanting to focus on everybody who's here illegally. My point of bringing that up is politicians are going to try to use whatever they can

to ignite an electorate to go win elections. But we've got to go deliver for the country. And I'm working every single day to figure out ways to deliver, to support the president in his removal, to back up the president holding hearings on birthright citizenship, holding hearings on Ploward Vito, advancing the ball and trying to fight on the DHS funding and not let Democrats win at defunding ICE and Border Patrol.

we have got to win this fight will the country hangs in the balance we've got to educate the American people most Americans are with us I can promise you most Texans are with us and we got to win the fight oh let's just do two more things Congress before you go okay birthright citizenship has currently

be considered by the Supreme Court I think this is one where I think anybody if they give it a little bit of critical thought will come down on the side of oh my God I can't believe we do this nobody else does this however it But, Congressman, it probably polls in a general electorate against U or I. It probably does right now.

I would bet that the majority of Americans, or at least a plurality of Americans, are like, yeah, let's keep birthright citizenship. There's that one. There is Pliler Vito, which you've talked a lot about. You've advanced on that. That's absolutely true. Like, why are we giving, we already talk about welfare and health care services. This is education.

Pliler Vido said that illegal immigrant children. have to be able to go into a public school and get educated. So why are we taxpayer subsidizing? More importantly, why are we incentivizing in that way illegal immigration? But again, my suspicion is Congressman, we're on the wrong side of that polling, even if we're right. Pause Act, which I want you to talk about for just a moment. Pause Act, my suspicion is the same. And then, you know, I had Congressman Ogles on my show last week, and he's going to put together this bill. you know, I've talked about on the show, this all sort of on the legal front, winter eye in 1965.

But again, I'm going to bet public polling wise, no matter what I think is right, I'm on the minority side of that issue. So how do you make real gains? I just laid out all of those, all of those. And we got the country freaking out about deporting criminal illegal aliens. How do you advance any of that stuff? Well, first of all, I've looked at some of the polling numbers and birthright citizenship actually leans our favor slightly, and particularly if you word the question correctly,

like everything, it's about education and about wording. When you pose it to the American people straight up, they're more with us than not. Plyle of V.O. is still in the early phases. If you ask the average Texan, should we be funding illegal education with taxpayer money to the detriment of American taxpayers and American citizens, of course it goes our direction. If you phrase the question differently, like, well, if the burden is on the district, you have these illegal alien children will not have anywhere to go. And it's a, then it goes slightly the other way.

So the average Texan, though, is tired of it. That's what I'm getting out well is like, look, we have regional differences. We have in Texas, we've got to focus on Texas. Texas is taking the brunt. Like this is, by the way, well, this is why I'm running for Attorney General. I could have stayed in Congress for however long and just gone on and done more speeches, be one 435th up there, try to move the ball. But the reason I'm running for Attorney General is we're going to live.

lose Texas. I want to say that as clearly as I can. To the point that you're raising with the Andy Oglesville, my pause act, basically saying, wait a minute, maybe we should re-look at how many people are coming into our country. Maybe we should pause on all of the legal immigration because it's being being abused. And when you look at London and you look at Paris and you look at Germany, ask yourself if you want that here because it's happening in Plano. It's happening in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex. We're just slightly behind because of the ocean. The fact here is Texans see it.

They're tired of it. We need an attorney general that's going to open up the books to all 600 organizations. If you talk to Amy Meg, you probably know Amy and the rare organization. If you look at them, they're 600 out organization, not just care, not just the Muslim Brotherhood. They are purposely waging jihad on the West and trying to take over our state and our country. So look, you've got to go straight to the American people. And I focus on Texans because Texans are tired of it. And I think we can win it if we start there and work out.

So that's a big story, Congressman. Everybody talks, it's not just – I don't think people just in Texas are talking about it. I saw this post this morning about how much the financial sector is moving to Dallas. Like, it's crazy. There's a story today. Will Apollo Global Management move to Dallas or to Florida, right? We know Golden Sacks and what they're doing, J.P. Morgan, Charles Schwab. I mean, this is literally becoming the financial capital of the South.

It's not all roses, by the way, because what kind of people you bring in here and how do they vote? You know, it's great that they're rich. How do they vote? And what do they think? But I saw even under that post, Congressmen, people talking about, oh, Texas is full of this and that, talking about, you know, the Muslim and H-1B stuff. the thing I've always wondered on that subject is what can Governor Greg Abbott do about it? What can Attorney General Ken Paxson do about it? What could you as Attorney General do about it? Like once an immigrant, legal or illegal, comes into this country, what can Texas do about it?

It's sort of a United States issue. Well, the flood of immigrants coming into the country, legal and illegal, but we're focusing on legal right now, is absolutely something that is driven predominantly by the federal government. But there are a number of things we can do. And Governor Abbott, by the way, has been leading on this for the last several years, leaning on declaring care as a terrorist organization, the Muslim Brotherhood as well, taking steps to try to shut down the flow of the tax credit dollars for the school choice system and other things going to schools that are essentially preaching and practicing and teaching, you know, jihad against the West.

These are things that we can do. and as attorney general, you have an extraordinary amount of power, as you know, to go look at the books of corporations and nonprofits and NGOs and determine the flow of the money and to the extent to which these organizations are operating contrary to Texas law or American law or constitutions. And I think we need to do a lot more than we're doing on that front. I've had conversations with the governor's office. I've had conversation with other state officials, and we can do that,

and we're not doing it enough. So that's one big thing. Second big thing is to make very clear that that march of Islam that I've described into Texas, throughout Texas, 330 mosques, epic city, Islamic Center in Houston, that they're hiding behind the First Amendment to advance a political ideology. Those two things are not the same will. And if we don't recognize that, if we're not looking at this, and you and I've talked about this before on your show, where, look, if you're praying to your God, if you're doing what you want to do at your house, If you're meeting with others and you're talking about your faith or whatever it is, the American, you know, under our system, you know this, I know this, and we would die on the hill to say, we want to protect their rights to do that.

But when you're engaging in political ideology to undermine the rule of law, to undermine Western civilization, to undermine our Constitution, to push forward things that would undermine the 14th Amendment, and you're actually doing it rhetorically and admitting it and acknowledging it, we have to fight that. That's not a First Amendment freedom of religion issue. That's an issue where you're violating law and underline. reminding our society. So the Attorney General has a lot of power on both of those fronts

and also things like the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, fraud. There's a lot of things going on with Epic City where there's things where they're violating other laws. And the governors put those out there and the AG can go on offense on a lot of those fronts. And I was trying to fill a bunch of water. Congressman Chip Roy is running for Attorney General the state of Texas. He just said he's got to get going to, where are you going to Amarillo? Is that you said. Head in Amarillo. I'm going to go visit some great folks out there. Ronnie Jackson who's supporting me. Then we go down to Lubbock and then fly back here tomorrow and then think I'm down to Houston tomorrow. I'm all over the place this week. And then we'll celebrate our

risen savior this weekend over Easter like a lot of great Texans. You're flying, Amarola. You got to fly. That says too long. Yeah, you know, I do. I drive whenever I can. If it's Midland, I drive. But Amarola, there's a direct flight from Austin. So, yeah, that's a hall. That's about a seven plus hour, you know, drive. So yeah, I'm flying up there today. Are you, have you gone to Paladiro Canyon? You know I've never been there. Born and raised in the state. Never been to Paladira Canyon. Yeah, so little-known facts. My family are West Texas.

They do the Texas place. My dad was born in Sweetwater. My wife was born in Borgar, which is about, you know, an hour up North Famerola. And so I've got a lot of family out there. My cousin is a district attorney out there. She lives in Matador. So yeah, I've gone to Paladuro. It's beautiful. There's some great pictures out there. People don't realize that about Texas. Texas has like five or six different, very distinct regions. People just have one sort of myopic view about Texas. But there's extraordinary beauty out there.

And people think the Panhandle doesn't have much. But those canyons are beautiful. But we up there meeting with, I got a lot of support up in the Panhandle. A lot of support in West Texas. My family's out there. My great-great-grandfather was a Texas Ranger. And my grandfather was the chief of police out in Sweetwater. And as you know, I was an assistant U.S. attorney, federal prosecutor in Sherman, your hometown,

where I practiced there and then lived in McKinney and was practicing at Plano. Been all over. All right, and he's going to be all over today. Congressman Chip Roy, great to talk to you. Thanks so much. Listen to some good music on your way to Amarillo. Thanks, Will. Chiproy.com, everybody.

Chiproy.com. Help me out. Thanks, Will. God bless. All right. You bet. Take care, man. There he goes.

Meanwhile, by the way, over on YouTube, Suzanne Nicco says, Will has a new obsession. I mean, fascination to add to his list now. It's not just height. It's nicknames. Suzanne, the minute I started talking about it, I was like, this is going to happen. I knew it tinfoil. I knew it two days. It would be like, oh, Will is really obsessed with nicknames now.

I will tell you, I talked about it over the weekend, a fair amount. That comedian we played, black nicknames, white nicknames, I was really tickled. Really tickled. It really took a lot of personal discipline not to say Chip could be a bank manager, right? Because I remember that from the bit. You can put Chip on a business card. You can't put, nobody's going to get a loan from Pookie. So, CEO, Chip.

Nobody's giving their money to Pookie. So, but, but Rusty, Rusty, right this way. Rusty will see you about your loan. Dr. June Buggy says. What's a good, Ed, what's a good Latino nickname? I don't trust Rusty's. You don't trust Rusty's? Rusty's one of my favorite white guy nicknames.

If my mechanics are rusty, I'm good with that. But if you're like bank manager, it's a little off. Hey, Ed, the bit you weren't around last week was black nicknames versus white nicknames and that white people can keep their nicknames through their entire life and actually put it on a business card. And black nicknames are always like ironic, like a big guy named Tiny or an unemployed guy named boss. You know? And so, and, you know. and like Dr. Junbug is not going to be something you put on your business card.

What is the, what's the Latino? Yeah, what are Latino nickles? Hold on, I can do this. Flacco. Flacco. Yeah, I don't know if the mic works there. Flacco is a good one, right? Flacko, but they weren't skinny.

You call fat guys flaco? Oh, yeah. Oh, well, not right now. My kids, you know, play soccer, and there's, it's not ironic. Like, there's some flakos on the team, but they are kind of skinny. Technically Ed's a nickname. F. F.

F. Anybody else. You know, like, is someone that's short. Y'all can't hear, Ed. Chaparro. Chapparo. Somebody that's not a catchy. You know, like Chapo.

Like El Chapo. Yeah. What is your Chapo mean? Doesn't that mean shorty? That's literal. Gordo? Gordo. Yeah, but it's short for chopo.

Wero? Yeah. Yeah? You're where. Yeah. British nicknames, by the way, are the most insane. What are the British nicknames? Like, I can't think of all the time in my head.

I just realized it wouldn't be able to follow that up. But I've heard just like people call each other. That's great. I said that without any evidence behind it. But I've heard some ones that are just insane. They're really creative with what they call each other. Mary B. 4762 says, anyone ever call you, we willie winky? No.

Mary? If not, then now someone has, unless I'm nobody. Oh, say it ain't so, some pronounced chip, ship. I don't know. Is this poetry that she wrote? I don't even understand. It's a haiku, I think. It's we willie-winky country. That could be a haiku. Yeah. Tomorrow. Is she, is she going after me? Is that somebody doesn't like me? Is that a thing? Is we-willy-winky a thing that people say? I don't think so. I think Mary made that up on her own. She make it up. It's a poem or something, right? I promise you, it's not.

Riddle? Nursery rhyme. Over on Facebook, I don't have names on this one. Why don't I have names on this? Is this X? Is this Facebook? No, it's Facebook.

I don't know why. I was trying to do it on the fly. Somebody says, Useful Idiots used by Soros and his buddies. Yes, I totally, I taught. totally agree. But this is kind of interesting. I don't have this guy's handle, although I'd give it. Okay, how are you going to pick the good and the bad out of the immigrants? I want to know that. Okay. Oh, wait, real quick. Look at this one blow it. People call me radical left, but I also agree that undocumented folks and violent criminals need to be removed from this country. Wow. Wow. I don't know.

Crossing party lines. Dan, you're not supposed to be commenting. Yeah, I just don't know how many people on the left. I don't know how many people on the left I could get to agree to that proposition. Like if you said a poll just among the left, are you for removing undocumented, she even used the language, she even used the language undocumented folks. Are you good with removing illegal immigrants from the country? I don't think that would poll above 25% on the left. I don't think that would.

You can't say those words. Making her absolutely not. I think most people agree. Even most lefties I talk about agree with that, but they just won't say it out loud. Like they agree that they should get rid of violent criminals. Well, forget violent criminals. She expanded it. She said undocumented folks.

Oh, she said with criminal records. Oh. Yeah. All right. Not and. So not just, quote unquote, undocumented folks. That's all of them now. Not just illegal immigrants.

How are you going to pick the good? and the bad out of the immigrants. I want to know that. That was that comment. That right there is the source of a great conversation. That right there. We had this conversation last week. We're going to have it again. Like, Congressman Ogles, well, first of all, there's the front door and how you monitor the front door, how people come through, and a much more serious and rigorous interviewing system and caps on where people come from because you have to play the macro. Unfortunately, It's just the way it is. You've got to play the macro on which cultures most easily and successfully assimilate into the United States. But to the point of how you deal with it once it's already in America, right?

So now you're talking about denaturalization. Might I suggest we can start with denaturalizing the guy who's been convicted of plotting an ISIS terrorist attack in America? Seems rational. That guy wasn't denaturalized and then went on to commit that shooting at Old Dominion. that guy wasn't denaturalized. So, yeah, I think that there's some places we can go. Tanseq, I would use your name, but it's not there. Dan didn't give me your name over there on Facebook.

Coming up, author, Winton Hall on our jobs, our country, our fight with China, and AI. Next on Wilcane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the The greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. Winton Hall is the author of Code Red, the left, right, and China. And the race to control AI and Winton joins us now on Wilkins Country. Hi, Winton. Hey, how's it going, Will? Thank you for having me.

I'm glad to have you. You've written an entire book now about AI. And the way that AI essentially is unavoidable in the future and modern and present lifestyle, but it is already being systemically built in a way that shapes minds. Some of that from the left, some of that from foreign powers. Talk to us, is it already lost? Is AI already lost? That's a great question, Will. No, I think it's not lost,

but I think we've got to really, really get coached up for the 5D chess game that's being played here. The thing that I think is most concerning is that people often default to, oh, AI is just a tool. It is a tool, but it's also political power. And what I did was spend two years doing a deep dive, following the money, looking at the ideology of the people in Silicon Valley who are at the heartbeat of this. Yes, there are some courageous, right-leaning, libertarian-type-minded people, and obviously we know those folks. But I think a lot of conservatives in particular and right-of-center people are not fully aware. aware of just how deep this goes on a political side,

anthropic $200 million donations all to one side, the Democratic side. And they really have looked at this technology as a chance to do a global reset on economics, move toward education that is far more in an indoctrination lens, and we obviously know that the AI warfare race is now accelerating. So what I wanted to do is give everybody a way

to shave kind of five years off your learning curve and get caught up because this is moving that has accelerated, right? Okay, well, first of all, not hard to imagine, okay? But you make a good point. Let's think about this right now. So I think everyone can agree with this premise. We'll start here.

AI will have a much profound impact on your life than social media. And social media had a very, very profound impact on everybody's life. I think it's fair to say AI will have a more profound impact on your life. Let's go back to social media. We do know how social media has been engineered. over time. And that's why we make such a deal of Elon buying X, that it was this revolutionary moment because every other social media platform was built and shaping minds in one direction. And then Elon buys X and all of a sudden you have this one different outlet.

Now let's go back over to AI. I'm a little, I guess I'm not surprised. Why would I be surprised? But is, is Anthropic, that's Alex Carp, right? Is that Alice Carp? No, Anthropic is Dario Amadee, yeah, and Alex Carp is Palantir. Yeah. Alex Carp is Palantir. And then Sam Altman is Open AI. Correct. And Elon is Grock.

So, and there's more. And then we are in sort of this pioneer stage of who's going to win, right? Right. But does Palantir have their own AI? Anthropic is clawed. I don't know what Pylentier. what their platform is. Do they have an AI platform? I know they do militarily. Maven. Yes, but Palantir is the defense tech space. And so it's not as much in the line of what you're talking about with the consumer facing.

Anthropic is clawed and they obviously have other things like co-work as well. Codex is the is the coding equivalent for open AI. And then you also have the big player, which is going to be Gemini Google. And they are extremely, you know, biased. In fact, the whole opening chapter of Code Red is all about. political bias and how it's baked into the training data of most modern LLM's large language models. And I think the other thing too is just on the economic front, you know, we all are hearing all these dire predictions and just to take the names will that you were just mentioning. So Elon says that AI is a supersonic tsunami, quote unquote, coming at humanity.

Dario Amadeh, who you just mentioned from Anthropics, says that in the next 12 months, right, this is not like some, you know, way into the future. In the next 12 months, we're looking at a 50% wipeout of white collar entry level jobs. That's all of our college students, right? That's the kids who played by the rules, they got a big loan. And then you see Mustafa Suleiman at Microsoft AI who says you're looking at 12 to 18 months until all white collar tasks can be automated. Now, to be fair, that doesn't mean that 12 to 18 months all white collar jobs go away.

What he's saying is the task can be automated. And so it's going to be a question of how fast do corporations do. diffuse with things like agents, AI agents or agentic AI, which is text to action. It's not just giving me information. It literally takes over your cursor and starts to actually do the work. So we're going to see the biggest disruption we've ever seen. And I think when people say, well, it's just like the Industrial Revolution, yeah, jobs are going to get destroyed, but new jobs will be created.

The difference this time, say the AI architects, is that that was about moving atoms, right? Blue collar manual work, shifting and moving and shaping atoms in the universe. What's different is this is cognitive white collar jobs. And once you get to agents, once you get to AI agents, you're able to actually do the work. And so yes, new work will be created. The question is, will the AI agents also be able to do that?

I think what we're gonna see is that it's gonna take a little longer for the diffusion. I think that there is a natural inertia on some of this stuff for corporations to actually work and integrate. integrated in. But I think that a lot of people who think they're safe, long term, are going to really realize there's a seismic shift happening under their feet when it gets to agents. And that's one of the things that I really think that we've got to get people coached up. Would you explain

agents? Yeah. Explain AI agents. Yeah. So right now people say, oh, look, I've used chat GPT and it gets things wrong. It hallucinates. You know, sometimes it's good, but no big deal. That is such a small percentage. In fact, quite frankly, one of the least powerful parts of AI is just your chat bots that most people are using. The real power is in things like coding, but also specifically AI agents. So what is an AI agent? This is something that can do work autonomously. Let me give you an example. Let's say, Will, you and I say we're going to create a protein supplement shake company, okay? And we want to make, you know, workout shakes. I can give the AI agent this task,

and then I set it and forget it and I go away, and it literally will take over our computer, if we've given it permission. It will open up a bank account. It'll open up a supply chain, a swipe account. It'll open up a Shopify account. It will build the website, the branding, do the end-to-end supply chain for our drop shipping.

It will do all of that independent of you or I having to do anything. So you and I will go, we'll hang out, We'll go to dinner, we'll come back, and the AI agent is a digital employee. Now this is not a far away future thing. This is happening right now. Let me give you two examples. One is Anthropic, which you mentioned will, which is co-works equivalent AI agent.

And the other one that's been making huge news is this thing called OpenClaw, which is a gentic AI that's a digital employee. And so what Jensen Wong, the head of Nvidia, says is that this is the future of everything. going to be able to have employees, digital employees, AI agents that never ask for a raise, they never get in trouble with their ethics, they don't sleep, they don't require a benefits package, and they don't require health insurance. And so the scale is infinite in terms of that. And a lot of people think there's a moat around what they do.

But if you are doing anything behind a computer, says Elon Musk, this is going to directly impact you. Now, I think there's a lot of opportunity. Let me be clear. I don't think it's a doom landscape at all. If you're a young entrepreneur, you have never had the power that you have right now with low capital to be able to scale your dream and to create that digital workforce when you are a young, you know, person just starting out. But what is it that's a value in, Witton? In that world, what is it that is of value from the human being? like is it the creative spark is it

ingenuity at some point you know if you would have said okay when I don't know how old you are you look younger than me like if you're talking to like a 17 year old and you're like okay throughout humanity

here are the things that set you apart and make you a success one initiative creativity be an idea generator have you know be the person that is an engine inside, but that engine isn't, a lot of people get stopped right there.

Because the next step is execution, and that's the part that AI is beginning to help, it sounds like. Execution, elbow grease. Then there's another step. You're going to encounter failure. So resilience and pulling yourself up after failure. You kind of are starting to hone in on the common traits of human success historically, right? And I would say that beyond the post-industrial age economy, even before. Those same traits. And maybe before the Industrial Revolution, maybe we would have over-indexed some other things like honor.

Seriously. Like I think some other things would have been rewarded more than just the ones I just related. But which of those survive AI? Like which of those, because it's going to take over the hard work part like you just described. The elbow grease part, that's the part it's taking. Yeah, no, this is a brilliant and important. I mean, you've got your finger on the pulse of it, Will. So here are three things.

One, curation and taste. One of the things that we see is that people say, man, you know, AI has a flattening effect toward the median, right? It averages things out because of its training data. So I think being able to be a curator of what's important and what's not, not having that either historical or aesthetic sensibility will be a differentiator. I think two, adaptability. You know, the future to me for our kids and grandkids, it's not going to be.

going to just be teaching them how to apply for jobs. It's going to be teaching them how to create their own jobs. And so I think one, you've got to have that critical thinking layer. They have to be able to understand right and wrong and discern reason, fact and fiction. The second layer is, I think, an entrepreneurial layer for building a pyramid here, teaching them how to create with their own passion, their own calling in life, whatever they feel led to, and their God-given abilities. And then I think the final piece of the top of that is going to be the AI layer in knowing how to do it. But the other thing on resilience, I think you're right about that because you're going to have to have adaptability in this new hyper speed moving environment to be able to move where the puck is going on AI, but also economic trends. So I think those things. And then I think the final thing really I think is going to be ethics, believe it or not, because I think there's going to be a lot of temptation for people to use.

use this sort of superpower, think of it almost like a bionic arm essentially, to be able to get farther, faster, and to cut ethical corners in doing so, whether it be through, you know, deep fakes, misinformation, using it, there's such a problem with AI fraud, AI scams, all of that. And I think we've just got to really be able to make sure that people are using it in a way that redounds to ethics and lifting people up instead. But this is a whole new world. And I think it also affects all these policies. Okay, I'm going to, this may lead us back in some direction towards the policies in the global conversation with the left and China and so forth.

So this is a little selfish. It's also the stage of life that I'm in. I have, meaning me asking you this question, but I think a lot of people watching and listening are thinking of this for themselves or for their children as well. So, for example, I have two high schoolers, right? and one of them is soon to go off to college, right? And so, you know, I would say most kids are seeking business degrees. I don't mind talking about this. It's a little personal, but my kid is, I'm really excited about it.

He's going to major. It's at the University of Texas, but it's a newest school. And it focuses on things like the foundations of Western civilization, the foundations of capitalism, Adam Smith economics, you know, a lot of really classical things that have been lost in our education system, but they are wisdom-based educational foundations. And my argument to my son is, I don't know what the job market will look like in five years. I have no idea. But what I hope you get out of this is critical thinking and wisdom. And from that, you can build. Now, I think there's a lot of value in a business degree, a lot of value. And I hope he studies that as well. But I do,

wonder like what you just described if that is sort of where we need to be pushing our kids like because we can't tell them get this engineering degree that engineering degree and by the way engineering is an incredible education i'm sure it's going to have value but a lot of these skill-based educations are the ones being attacked by AI right my son has even says to me like what do i do with learning all this i'm like i don't know yet you know i literally like what job i don't know yet but i think that nobody kind of knows i just kind of what do you think about that You pretty much summarized the epilogue of my book just now, which is that the trivium has served us for centuries, logic, grammar, and rhetoric, critical thinking stills, the foundation

of Western civilizations, critical thinking. That is so important because, like you said, we don't know where the future trends are going to move, but we do know this. If you do not have that critical thinking layer, you are going to be a, you are going to be misled and a failure, whatever, whatever ventures you're trying to engage in. So I could not agree more. I think the old becomes new in that regard. The classics that have built the pillars of Western civilization in philosophy, in politics,

and economics, those things remain. And so I think, you know, conserving the best of the past becomes a guide to the future in that. That's the first thing. The second thing, though, is I think once you've got that, once we know that that student has a strong sense of critical thought. Then it becomes giving them the toolbox of entrepreneurship. Now, this is the boring kind of nuts and bolt stuff. How do you start an LLC? How do you do copywriting for advertising? How do you set up a payroll? How do you do business taxes? Just the

building block. And then after that on top. But to be fair, didn't you say an AI agent can step in on a lot of that stuff? I agree with you. How do you, knowing finance and accounting is key. But this is also the stuff that I kind of hear you saying AI agents can do that for you. It will, but we will want to make sure that it's done properly and you'll want to have some sense of the template of what that looks like because hallucinations are problematic and you've got to have some oversight in this. It's not a set it and forget it. But you're absolutely right. It'll knock out about 80% of that. And it's only going to get better.

The worst version of AI you ever used is the one you used today. I mean, what are we on iPhone 17? Do you remember what an iPhone 1 look like? like a dinosaur, right? So you're absolutely right in that. But then I think this AI piece is where it gets exciting, because let's take your son, if he is looking at business and then he's got that critical thinking layer,

he's got this sense of what a strong business structure looks like, and then he applies the creativity of the tools and realizes the AI systems that are going to be able to be cross-pollinating things that have not been cross-pollinated before, he's going to have ability to go and hit escape velocity in a way that no other business young person has ever had, quite frankly, because it would have taken so much capital expenditure and investment to be able to scale that fast. So there are opportunities, but there's

a lot of landmines. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with Winton Hall, the author of Code Red, the left, the right, China, and the race to control AI on Wilcane Country. Okay, when I sell my business, I want the best tax and investment advice. I want to help my kids, and I want to give back to the community. Ooh. Then, it's the vacation of a lifetime. I wonder if my out of office has a forever setter. An IG Private Wealth Advisor creates the clarity you need with plans that harmonize your business, your family, and your dreams.

Get financial advice that puts you at the center. Find your advisor at IDPrivatewealth.com. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with author Winton Hall, who's written a book entitled Code Red, the Left, the Right, China, and the Race to Control, AI. What about one more, and then I want to return to the more political side of this, what about the argument that one of the places that kids can look to the future as some

protection against all of this development is the trades? My thing on that is robotics will be part of this picture at some point as well, right? So AI and robotics, so electricians and plumbers and so forth, will it be a human being showing up to do that stuff? So it's a great question. So right now in the shorter term, and by that I mean the next 10 to 15 years, it is a moat. The trades, blue collar work, is a moat toward a future disruption. The reason why is something called Moravex paradox in Silicon Valley. It's a concept that basically means this. The things that are easy for humans are harder for machines. The things that are hard for machines are easier for humans. The example would be you and I know how to hold an egg at exactly the right pressure without it cracking. We know how to navigate in the dark at night around our furniture to grab a glass of water. Very easy for us. We don't even think about it. Very hard when you're teaching humanoid robots, depth perception, pressure, all of those things.

Now what's easy for them? Mass pattern recognition, right? Modern LLM is trained in one month on eight trillion tokens, which is roughly three quarters of a word. If you and I read from death to birth without stopping average rate of speed, we'd read about eight billion words. So eight billion for humans, eight trillion for words. for a machine, it can scale that enormously.

Now, the trades right now are experiencing a boom. You're looking at about 30% pay premium for drywall hangers, electricians, plumbers, HVAC, concrete pores, because of the AI data center boom build out. And so there is a real opportunity. The question is, how long does that last? Because you brought it up, well, you know, once you get to humanoid AI replacement.

But I do think that's going to happen a little bit of a longer trajectory, even Elon, who's, who's building optimist says that, you know, that kind of full scale at that is like around 2040 is what he's predicting. And some experts think it's even a little longer than that. It's not that far away. That's not that far away. 2040. That's the long scale, he said. Okay, back to this. I did bring up Palantir and you brought up their defense contractor, but I believe their AI is Maven, which is being currently used by the Pentagon. They're in a little bit of a fight. I believe about, well, they're more to fight with Anthropic about that.

But what I wonder and why I didn't differentiate that from the consumer-facing AI is I wonder how much their convergence there will be at some point. Like, will there be a winner. And that winner will be the Google. It may not, meaning Google beat Yahoo, beat everything else, and it became the default search mechanism, right? Will that not be what happens with AI too? Will somebody?

And maybe it could be Palantir, even though they're not in the consumer space right now. Now, but somebody will win this and dominate. Is that the future of AI? Maybe two. Yeah, no, I think that's right. And it's interesting. You said Google, certainly on the consumer side, a lot of analysts predict because they just have so many, you know, cards in their deck, right?

They have every data profile ever. They have endless cash reserves. They have their own, you know, GPU base in terms of their tensor chips. So they have a lot of advantage in the marketplace. On the defense tech side, you know, the real concern as it relates to the democratization of AI is non-state actors having access to that information as well, right? And so then you're terrorists, in other words. So whether you're talking about an open source platform or their own, you know, usage of it, there are a lot of problems with that because essentially you're giving PhD chemical bio-weapons information, cybersecurity hacking, all of that. And the reason why it's important for this conversation about Palantir, Anderal, the War Department, Secretary Heggseth, and that whole supply chain issue with Anthropic is, here's why that matters.

Whoever gets to full-scale dominance in AI first. This is why we always talk about having to beat China will hit theoretically something called recursive self-improvement, RSI. Real simple, it means the AI can update and improve itself autonomously, creating. an exponential curve. If and when you get to that, you will have whoever gets there achieving dominance in hacking, in cybersecurity, encryption, and they will have full spectrum of battlefield dominance. So this is not hype when we say we have to beat China, when you talk about a Palantir or an Andrel. It's not just them trying to raise money for investors. It has real national security implications. All right. Now let's take that full circle. So with those stakes, as you describe it, we have to win, meaning the United States of America. We have to beat China, which incentivizes getting to that stage that you just talked about with one,

maybe two. And I would assume to some extent there is a corollary on the consumer side, the front-facing usage of AI by everyday Americans. And the tension there is, how do we win against adversaries without enabling the dominance that is destructive to us. Destructive any number of ways. Destructing in the ways of our personal freedom on the defense and national security side. Destructive of our minds if the winner, the dominant player, is baked in with these biases from the left or whatever may be like social media was. And so we're in a catch-22 in a way as a country.

Like, we need to win. We can't lose to our winner. That's right. I say it this way. In Code Red, there's a chapter called beating China without becoming China. Because, Will, I agree with you that, you know, none of us want to live in a techno-authoritarian surveillance CCP state. We all have very real concerns, and I think rightfully, about surveillance, surveillance capitalism,

as well as in an authoritarian direction as well. And the way to do it is this. And I lay out the steps. Number one, we've got to get serious about getting rid on making sure that Americans are not falling for CCP data vacuums like AI DeepSeek as well as we just had this whole issue over the banning of and the transfer of TikTok. Those are essentially CCP surveillance apps. China was massively successful with what it did with TikTok. We cannot have the same happen with deek seek. They are vacuuming up incredible amounts of information on Americans. Number two, we have to be smart about what are called choke points. In AI, there are really three things that you're talking about that you can, like the water

hose, squeeze the middle to stop the flow and therefore the speed and acceleration. One of the big things is chips. Semiconductors, Nvidia chips are the most advanced in the world, making sure they don't get access to our most advanced chips. Trump is making sure on that. There has been this debate about their lower level chips, H-200s, but they're Vera Rubin trips, their Blackwell chips. There's no reason that American companies like Nvidia should be able to give the Chinese

competitors and their surveillance state access to that. And then the final thing is on things like their ultra-light lithography machines, which is a very expensive piece of machinery that essentially creates the chips and builds the chips. There's only one company in the world that does that, and we've made sure that they are blockaded from getting access to that in China. So there are things we can do. I think there are things that we are doing. We've just got to make sure that we keep it up and make sure that Americans understand that you do not want to be on Chinese AI. Is it a two-horse race, Winton? Is it the United States in China? It really is, because of capital and because of the tech. It doesn't mean there

and other countries that are players in the AI space, but far and away, it is a two-horse race. All right. What a fascinating conversation, as he's mentioned several times, a fascinating conversation is laid out in a fascinating book. Code read, the left, the right, China, and the race to control AI. It's out now. Winton Hall. Thank you, Winton. That's a fascinating conversation. We appreciate the time. Really appreciate you, Will. Thank you so much. Okay. Take care. There you goes. Winton Hall here. is such a, I don't know, it's such a bear of a conversation that it's so hard to reconcile yourself to.

And I really think my stage of life and raising a kid at this age is the, is, I don't know, I'm seeing the world through my own eyes, but it's kind of the vector point at which to see this, because how do you tell someone who's about to go into the adult portion of their life, how they're supposed to organize their adulthood? How do you give advice? Right. How do you make a living? Like for us, even you guys, you're quite a bit younger me.

For me, I just turned 51. There's a little bit of you that's like... We're still in our 30s. I mean, there's a little bit of me that's like, though, I'll make it to the end of my career. You know, there's a little bit of feeling like that. You guys in your late 30s, I don't know. Do you feel that way? Or do you feel like, holy shit, this is coming for me?

this is coming for me. You'll make it. We won't. Yeah, I think... How do you mean? I'm dead serious. Behind the scenes, jobs will be a little bit more taken over by AI instead of in front of the screen, in front of the camera jobs. You just did the meme.

Well, maybe... What? You did the Quinn Hughes meme. So, like, you think in five years, this show, my shows, I'll be, like, interacting with... AI producers, not you guys? Well, not us on camera here, but like... You know what can do that.

Yeah. You see what Anthropic thinks. We actually are kind of doing that now. Dan, you use AI to answer questions as we go. Nope. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, just behind the scenes jobs, like producing, booking, I don't know, coming up with ideas, it could. I'm not...

There are a lot more jobs I would be worried about more than ours, but it's a possibility. Something I think about. There's nothing to account for a good taste, which I like to think we have. That is true. AI doesn't know. They can know what's popular right now, but it can't know, like, it can't be as creative as we are. We're artists. Well, when he was saying that, when he was saying that, he was like, taste and what's important are going to be what's...

You know, I was just thinking out loud when we're having that conversation. I was thinking, okay, the things we preach to our kids and the things that we watch Instagram videos about ourselves, we see Jocko. It's like all those things you talk about, resilience, hard work, you know, ingenuity, initiative, creativity, all that stuff. If we were alive in 1556, would our parents have told us those very same things of the secrets to success? I don't know that they would have. No. Right? would they have said

strength cunning honor devotion faith that would have said those things right I mean you're just working on your family's farm or whatever

you know right it wasn't as much of an economic structured life sure I mean you definitely had to work yeah but you worked in where you grew up. I'm just wondering if the secrets to success

and the model for how to be a good man kind of revert to some of that do you see what I'm saying? They're not mutually exclusive they have a lot of overlap from the things we're saying but like when he was because when he was saying the things that'll make you stand out he did say what you just said Patrick

like taste what's important I'm like oh God is it an economy run by social media influencers? Yeah. Like is that? Yes. Is that? I mean, yes. That's the future. And I'm like, no, please, God, no. Well, that's not what we're talking about, right? Well, like, you grew up without, like, this is going to sound bad, but you grew up without

the internet. Like, when you were younger and through high school. But we, me and Patrick's age, we grew up halfway. So we got the internet as we got a little older. That's when it started to happen. And everything started to happen really fast. So when we're looking at the job market, when we're 18, the internet is a new thing where you can make money off of doing it. So I wish I went into like coding or something, you know, or someone told me to do that. So I don't know what you tell kids now because AI, what you do with AI. Well, they all want to be Mr. Beast. And then you're like, well, don't be Mr. Beast.

But basically what I'm hearing is like, no, Mr. Beast is the future. Yeah. Essentially. So I don't know what to tell you. Like maybe try to do that. I do think like America, like we've grown up through like, look, at the Gilded Age and like all these guys who worked really hard and were successful. And, uh, and we think about like just the grind culture.

I think that with AI, the smarter thing to do is like, yeah, yeah, cut corners. That's what you could do with it. No, but for real, that's, I'm not, I'm not even joking. Yeah. You just cut corners. Like that's the, that's going to be the future of our society is cutting corners and making things easier until we're so ridiculously. unskilled that it doesn't matter anymore. It's not about laziness.

It's about like, how do I save time? Yes. And how can I maximize my efficiency to be the best version of myself that I can be? And allow myself to have more leisure time to think and to build and to be creative. This is Karl Marx's dream. This is Karl Marxist's dream. Are we Marxist? It is.

Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? No. Front of the back. time for leisure. Oh, you should read it. No, I mean, I've read it. I don't want any ideas in my head. Man, it's like, the furthest left guy on our show is like, no, I don't want to read the

Communist Manifesto. Yeah, I'm not a communist. You should know. That's how you end up at a no-king's rally with a communism flag. You think any of those? You and your buddies? You think these dudes have read the Communist Manifesto? I guarantee no.

I have it, but I just never read it. It's in my shelf. You know, maybe I'll pick it up. You just display it for people when they come over? Yeah, it's like, I turn it out like when people come over. But his dream was for a man to have a life. In fact, he said you had the right to leisure, to spend time hunting, fishing, doing, you know, those times. But what's interesting, you know, Ed just asked his question.

You'd make things easier to have more time to do what? To do what? To do more work. And this is where what went. here's what went and said that was interesting. It places, okay, if that's an inevitability, in fact, that's what will be rewarded, will all be incentivized to cut those corners. It has to be grounded in some type of ethics, right? And that makes that more of a premium. It makes that more of a thing that people should value. So ethics is this corner of the right corner or the wrong

corner to cut? Is this the right way or the wrong way to do this? And not just that. How do you spend that extra time? Are you on video games? Are you doing this? Are you in complete escapism and leisure? Or is ethical living a way that you free up time for actually more focus on that? I know what I would do. Whether not that be faith. And that and that feels full circle. That feels like what we would have talked about in the year 1422, you know, of the good life, you know of the right life of a righteous life there will be a circle i do wonder yeah it doesn't have to be dystopian you know what i mean uh depending on how we organize our individual you're still using social media like i think that people will say that eventually like i think it'll go back you think so i think

i think it'll go back around be like you're still on instagram and tictock get outside like i think that will happen i think that might be true i think that could be it'll be out of fashion i think that one day I think that one day in the not too distant future, people will look at usage of social media the same way they do eating at McDonald's. Same. I totally agree. Totally agree. There'll be something else.

There'll be something else for sure. But the way we look at it now and going on social media and scrolling reels for hours will not be a thing anymore. It'll be looked at. Yeah, it might be interacting with your AI. Sure. That will be the thing that replaces it.

It's like now we interact with our AI all day long or whatever it is. Sure. It's human nature. All right. Before we go today, it was breaking news on Friday. Interestingly, you guys, by the way, because I'm fancy now, I had dinner at a country club this weekend, meaning... I go to country clubs.

Don't worry. Golf. Yes, Ed, that's why I didn't answer your call. I was at a country club. Tiger didn't come up. Now, that was just my conversation, I guess. You guys said everybody was talking about Tiger. I talked about Tiger on Friday.

Everyone brought up. Poor Tiger. Do I say poor Tiger? I'm sorry. Tiger Woods, not the guy who built our studio. Yeah, not Tigers. Yeah. Yes.

Not Tiger Stanley. Tiger Woods. Flip this car. On Friday, I had Dan Dockich on the show, and he said, what is Tiger still doing with the driver's license? You know, and why doesn't have a driver? And there was a significant, there was a significant, there was a significant, of the audience that was upset. You don't know what happened.

Because Tiger is a revered figure. Tiger has reached reverence stage. He, without a doubt, has. And then, I think roughly 15 minutes later, it came out. He's been arrested on suspicion of DUI. So I knew right away. I think Dan's points. Dan's points.

You know what, Dan? Dan, not Dan, Dawkins. Dan Overlock, you're absolutely right. When the minute that came out, I don't know. I looked back on myself and I go, why didn't that occur to you? When Tiger's Camp said nothing for a couple of hours, I was like, oh my gosh, is he really hurt? Like that's, that was the reason I figured they wouldn't be saying something. But yet we started hearing reports from police and eyewitnesses that he was okay and nobody was hurt in this wreck. And so it was weird.

Like, why is Tiger's Camp not saying anything? In retrospect, it's obvious why they weren't saying anything because of this, because he was arrested on suspicion of DUI. By the way, you didn't know this, Dan, for as much as you talked about it all weekend, he blew 0.0. I didn't know. So it wasn't alcohol. The suspicion is the allegations are pills. And that's what it was before, too, right? Because this will be a second time.

And it was pills before as well. Well, they say, so he got arrested. His history is that he had the wreck with Eelan, Elin. Ellen. And that wasn't his fault, right? That wasn't his fault. Yeah. Yeah.

That was external circumstances. And then he got arrested. Then laid, because she threw a nine iron through his rear window. Remember that whole thing? Oh, my God. And then he was arrested for the suspicion. Then there was the Waffle House waitresses there. Mix that in there.

He was arrested on the suspicion of DUI. Then he had to reckon Los Angeles that was super bad. And the stories on that one was that they'd let him go on that one. They didn't pursue that ruined his career. That there was maybe substances involved in that one as well. Well, he was in California. Yeah. They don't try anything there.

Looked the other way, you know. Right. I'm crying. I heard somebody say this. When they make the inevitable tiger documentaries, there'll be multiple. Let's say there's a two-hour tiger documentary. how much of it is half of it about his golf dominance and half of it about his career after? People forget that, by the way.

Yes. How much of this, the point is how much of this is a part of his story now? Yeah, but like all of his, how good he was outweighs any of this by a million fold. Like, I know this is bad in what he's doing, but like his, how good he was at golf is way bigger than these stories. these sides doors. But that made him so revered that people forget he hasn't really been good at golf for like 15 years. No, after that accident, his back was hurt. I mean, since that happened, I think his career went on a decline. And it's like, it's kind of crazy. He won that master's about. He did win the Masters. He did win the Masters. What was it? Seven

years ago? Yeah, that's it. Six years ago. So he had one one outlier, though. It was 2019. Yeah. But it's kind of crazy you think about it. Like, he's literally dating a Trump and no one really thinks about it. Like his life is that crazy. But every time there's a major that comes up, it still is Tiger going to play? Is Tiger playing always still? And I'm getting very, I got very annoyed of it before the story.

Even before the story came out, thinking about the Masters and the majors, I'm like, can we just stop talking about Tiger? He's going to walk off after the second round because he's not going to make the cut. And it's the same story all over again. I love the guy. I think he's the best golfer of all time, but, you know.

You think he's best golfer of all time? better than Nicholas? I don't know. I have recency bias, so probably not. You definitely do. You definitely do. I also think LeBron's better than Jordan. Yeah.

It is kind of LeBron, LeBron Jordan. But, like, why does this happen? We're talking about the driver thing. Go ahead. The driver. Why doesn't Tiger have a driver? And, like, these NFL players that get crashed, too.

Like, why not? You're drunk or you're screwed up? Like you ever play Mario Kart while you're drinking? It's kind of the same thing. It's pretty fun. But people die, so. Yes. It doesn't make it it right.

Well, I have two thoughts on that. One, I totally understand a celebrity not wanting to be driven around by a driver at all times. I get wanting to have independence. I get wanting to be alone. I get not wanting to always be around other people. I mean that. Like, you've got to have time in your own head. If you're on drugs.

But then the second part. of that, which you want to say is, yeah, but not when you're drinking, you're exactly right. However, I mean, that's sort of the thing with drinking. Like, your judgment is impaired. That's true. It's not drinking, by the way. We have to keep reminding ourselves. It's not drinking under the influence. Yeah, but anyway, so that was that's, that was the conversation at Dan's Country Club over the weekend in Connecticut.

It just opened. Back over on Facebook. Again, Dan didn't give me the names of these people, so I have no idea. This looks like an attractive young lady in a red shirt. I mean, I can barely see her. Is my description accurate? Let's see. Whoa. Yeah, in a red shirt.

That looks like your red shirt said, L-O-L. No Kings rally in England. Oh, and someone says, okay, stop with the birthday crap. You mean me talking about it or everybody's celebrating their birthday? Stop with the birthday crap. Making a big deal about the... Like, everyone just don't make a big deal of it. You know, I don't think we should talk about you anymore on Will-Kin country, Will.

Yeah. It's okay to have a me day, says somebody, why not? But let's be adult about it. Totally agree. We can't go to Dave and Buster. No days off, fellas. No more days off. What do you...

No more... Yeah, are you going to Chuck E Cheese, Patrick on your birthday? What are you doing? No, I don't know if you know this, but trampoliniums are the all the rage. just trampoline park is that a trampoline park hmm no chucky cheat

no that's old that's like that's like two generations ago so like I just went to a birthday yesterday and it was in a trampoline park everyone's going to trampoline parks man I watched my wife

one time when our kids were little we went to a trampoline park she rolled her ankle so bad that my ankle hurt I saw I mean it laid her up forever be careful that's the worst folks be careful

don't get one at home it's more dangerous by the way my day chucky cheese that would have been a big time birthday party I mean big time and yeah

these are the that's the high that's the high rollers was it expensive yeah buddy I don't even know how much it would be for like I don't know it was just big time but do you know in my fondest memories

I don't think I ever had one but if you had a birthday party at McDonald's yes oh heck yeah the ball pit let's go Burger King too Burger King too

Burger King too man, they brought the little crown out and all that. I don't have those anymore. Man, those were big time parties back in the day. Can you imagine the kids do birthday parties at McDonald's? No. They don't have the play place anymore. You can't find a McDonald's with

they don't have the play place anymore. Right. And if they are there, you don't want to go in there. Well, also people... That's pretty... Not a lot of people eat fast food as much anymore. I think that's why they went trampoliniums because, like, the ball pits were pretty disgusting. So are trampolets.

Yeah. You can hose them off. Who? Triplines. All right. We got to go. That's a long show. We appreciate you.

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