Will Cain Country - Pete Hegseth & Rep. Chip Roy: DEI, Dating Conservatives, & Immigration

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

Story #1: Why is there a growing political divide between men and woman? Is it racist for Mark Cuban to assume 30 black women have the same opinion? Which FOX host would take their shirt off at a football game? A conversation with Will's FOX & Friends Weekend Co-Host Pete Hegseth. Story #2: What should we do about Congresswoman Ilhan Omar? Why is Governor Ron DeSantis better when he is not running? A conversation with Congressman Chip Roy (R-TX). Story #3: The free market will kill Title IX. Why NIL is the biggest threat to women's sports.   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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his shirt off at a football game? A big episode of Will and Pete, my co-host from Fox and Friends Weekend, Pete Hexeth. Two, the free market will kill Title IX, the biggest threat to women's sports. Three, what should we do about Congresswoman, Ilan Omar, Somali first. We'll ask Congressman Chip Roy. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at foxnews.com and on the Fox News YouTube channel. You can always get this show on demand wherever you get your audio entertainment at Apple, Spotify, or at Fox News podcast. You can catch clips of our exclusive interviews, our panels, our debates at Will Cain Show on YouTube. You can also check us out on Facebook. It streams live. at the Fox News Facebook page and available at the Will Kane page on Facebook.

We intend to be everywhere and anywhere you consume your entertainment on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on YouTube, and at foxnews.com. Not everybody travels as often as I do, and I'm fully aware that you can dive in and get sucked into the rabbit hole debates about what boarding group should stand closest to the line or whether or not you should help a woman put her extremely overweight an extra large carry-on bag in the overhead bin. Not everyone lives with it like I do weekly, but it still presents opportunities to discuss the clash that is humanity. The other day, I was flying through Dallas Love Field Airport, and I was going through TSA security, and I had gone through the metal detector. And I was waiting for my bag to come through the x-ray machine, and there was a man,

older than me, probably more distinguished, dressed more appropriately for travel, at least worth this 1960. And I looked at him, and there he was sitting there with his fly-down. And I made eye contact with him, and I just kind of gave him one of these with my index finger, up up you know no words and he stood and stared at me for a good five seconds and then he got the man cue why is this guy pointing up up to me and he knew that his fly was down and in that moment however awkward no matter if he were a billionaire i had him right at that moment i have him on the pecking order and i did the right thing you know i think that was a courteous thing to

to extend to this gentleman hey man your flies down but at the same time it is completely emasculating like if you're on the other end of that courtesy you are kind of indebted and you are sort of a surf to my fiefdom there's no way for him to feel above me in that moment right no matter if he's a billionaire or he's the president of the united states hey man your flies down is it is a weird thing where at the same time it is both insulting and courteous i thought that might be a good place to jump off with story number one. He is my co-host on Fox and Friends Weekend.

He is my co-host on Off the Wall, a segment within Fox and Friends Weekend. He is my friend, and he is Pete Hegg-Seth. You tell another dude when his flies down? Okay, I was with you until pecking order. See, I don't see anything about that interaction that puts the teller above the receiver in any sort of power dynamic.

I just don't. I think it's only courage to show courtesy. It's not easy to tell another man that flies down. It's not. You've got to have a level of maturity and confidence yourself in order to do that. Even to a friend of yours, at first, that's even more difficult, let alone a stranger.

I don't know that I would have done what you did. Maybe you're more powerful than me in that context. Or more courteous. I'm not sure. But I just think when you're told that, the only feeling I've had, which I've been told by friends, not really strangers. I don't know that I've ever had a stranger tell me is appreciation. I'm just grateful to be hooked up in that. And you know, you mentioned off the wall in the segment we do together.

I don't know if you've ever noticed this. I'm sure you haven't. But every time we do that segment, the last thing I do, two seconds before we go on air, is check my fly. Because I realize we're standing up. Yes, every time. Just check the tape. Just glance over one time. It's a fly check because I've been known to leave my fly down.

And the person that tells me most often is my wife right here. And it's very, it's, I appreciate her telling me, but that probably emasculates me the most because I realize she thinks I look foolish. I'm insulted if someone does not tell me that my fly is down. It's like having something in your teeth. Why would you let me walk around with that in my teeth? A friend, a friend, a friend. you don't look around at a group of strangers and be like, why hasn't anyone told me that?

Yeah, if you, if I didn't tell you for an hour, you'd take issue with me. For sure. But not with the teeth. I don't want a stranger saying, hey, man, you got something in your teeth. But if you're walking around with your fly down, I think that it is a common courtesy to say among dudes, your fly is down. But I think it is this moment where he is overcome by a little bit of shame and embarrassment. and because of that, I'm full of confidence, and I think at that moment, if this were the law of the jungle, he just got caught by the alligator.

What are you doing with that moment? I was the hippopotamus that made it across the river. Are you going to make them do push-ups? Are you going to request it? No, but what is that power dynamic doing for you? It's just there. It's just in the air. And he knows it, and I know it. We both know it. And if we were electing a king, I would be elected king of the TSA X-ray line in that moment. He doesn't win. There's no way for him to win an election for king with his flydown. It's really interesting.

This goes back to the Roman Empire debate of like, in every moment, are we thinking about who would be the king of this TSA line? Like, I'm the man. This is my tribe. Like, you know what I mean? How often are we looking around and be like, oh, I'm in the Delta Lounge? You know what? I think I'd be the top dog here. You know, I mean, that's, that is the type of thing sometimes we think about.

back to the Roman Empire. All right, that's story number one with Pete, Heggs, story number two. There's speculation out there, Hegsafe, that things are on the rocks with Senator John Fetterman and his wife, Jasell. I do not know if that's true. I don't know that it's important whether or not it's true. It seems to be, it's important in that I think it does lead us to a deeper conversation. First, within the news cycle, there's something going on with Senator John Fetterman.

That is fascinating. He seems to have had an evolution. a conversion, or a seeing of the light. Or he played a huge rope-a-dope on progressives in his run for the Senate. He has changed from embracing freedom on Zen, the pushback on regulation of Zen in New York, from Israel to the southern border. Something has changed with Federman. I joked on Off the Wall that he went in for mental health issues and came out a Republican.

Now, he's not a Republican. but you know something is going on with fetterman big time uh i don't i don't think is it a is it a gross political calculation in a state that's 50 50 i don't think so like i think you're right with what you said on off the wall the guy you you you're you're the black is coming in and you're going toward the light and you realize now i've only got one shot in this world i'm going to be honest with how i really feel i think the dynamic with his wife is a really interesting one. We don't know for sure. By the way, she deleted her social media accounts and everyone was speculating. That's because she was getting so much backlash for the positions that

her husband was now taking, especially on Israel. And she's been a proud progressive for a long time. I don't think you can underestimate or under factor in the extent to which change in political positions can change the dynamic of a relationship for a political couple. When when clearly she's as ambitious as he is, if you've staked your whole claim on the popularity of being a virtue signaling progressive, and then the guy who everyone kind of wrote off as a toady of, you know, every left-wing talking point decides to get an independent mind and talk like Republicans, like that becomes a badge of shame on the wife. And again, we don't, from her view, and again, we don't know that's exactly what's happening. But if you're used to the fawning glow

of the wife of a progressive senator, and now you're indicted because of his positions and everyone thought he was kind of a dunce anyway. Now you have to defend those or at least live with them. That could be an eventual deal breaker. So I do think we, Rachel talks about this all the time. Politicians are couples and how your couple, how your wife or husband feels about the positions you take impacts you a lot. And that might, clearly he's decided to speak independently. The question is, is she okay with it? Which makes it even more fascinating, the relationship dynamic between, for example, James Carville and Mary Matlin, although that dates back to sort of the 90s in the early 2000s, the idea that

a marriage can survive a Republican and a Democrat, somebody on the left and somebody on the right, or Kelly Ann Conway and George Conway. You know, it's what an awkward position to professionally and ideologically be so opposed and then go home and have a harmonious marriage. And I appreciate that you reiterated what I've tried to reiterate. We don't know what's happening between Jasell and Senator Fetterman. We don't know. But what I find fascinating about it is this deeper conversation. And you and I have talked about this. I don't know that we have ever yet talked about it on the air, but I wanted to share two fascinating pieces of research that I came across. One, Dr. Jordan Peterson reposted this. In Canada,

There's a Canadian polling outfit that said, what would it look like if only from Main Street polling? If only men voted, and it's overwhelming that Canada would be electing a conservative government. It's not a close. It's like a five-to-one proposition of how many men would vote conservative versus how many men would vote liberal. And then there's another research outfit. This is Daniel Cox, Survey Center of American Live, combined with Gallup Poll of Social Scientists and the Financial Times analysis, showing a divide between men and women, Pete. And I don't have the graph to put up here on the Will Cane show, but it's suffice to say, it shows a divide between the sexes that is going in opposite directions at the rate of a hockey stick. And it's global.

It's not just American. it's in Germany, it's in the UK, it's really stark in South Korea. And it all starts about roughly 2012 to 2015, where men become more conservative and women become more liberal. And we've seen that kind of thing when we say, what would the different states look like or how would America vote if only men voted or only women voted? And I don't know that there's enough talk about the political polarization of men and women. Oh, you're right. I mean, it's been part of what's been discussed for a long time in that

Democrats got a larger portion of the female vote and Republicans a larger portion. But why that demarcation, that's what's interesting. I'm not here to plug a book, but we thought about this in Battle for the American mind. And there is, there is something about the generational change in the ethos of, let's just take America, for example, which was a Western Christian Pidea that turned into kind of an American progressive Pidea, which was still sort of traditional and patriotic. And then around the turn of the century, effectively our institutions have embraced what we call a culturally Marxist Pidea, which cultural Marxism exists to break down the traditional roles in society, right? So as the power structures tell men that the things you do well,

you should stop doing or do less of, and then tell women, well, you should do more. You should do more I mean, we've been doing this for decades, but it becomes more culturally sort of forced. People reject, I think our human instincts reject that, especially amongst young people who see that and say, I don't want that. And I think that's part of where you see that split. It's encouraging, one, amongst men, that they recognize we have a role that we should and ought want to play inside our own family, inside our communities, inside our churches, inside. All of those things are good, but then they don't have an outlet for it necessarily.

And if they embrace it, they're told their masculinity is toxic. And then on the female side, this is for black and white. But I think as you remove, if you have more broken families, as you remove male figures from families, women oftentimes are, especially in the 60s and 70s with the burst of welfare programs, end up turning to the government to be that male role and get some of that support. and there's a reflection to say, hey, government will help me through my life. And then you've got the basic aspect of just a lot of the left-wing arguments are emotionally based. And I don't mean that in a pejorative sense about women. Women are just different than men, and men think differently and act differently than women do. And as a result, are more appealing in this sort of idea that we can solve our problems through a piece of legislation.

So, I mean, there's a lot of reasons for it. And I've got plenty of additional theories, but it doesn't surprise me. I just don't know where it leads. I mean, you want to destroy the patriarchy, which is what they say through cultural Marxism, and then you get men that are rudderless and women that are looking for real men or looking for the government to solve their problem. No, I think you're on to it. So two additions to these theories that I would have to help explain it. So, first of all, is the politics of the aggrieved.

So, and it's rooted in some truth. So, I mean, there is no doubt that, you know, were we to examine 18th century American history or 19th century American history, it would be driven by the white male figure. And the black minority would have legitimate grievances and vote towards the party that they presume is going to lift them up into equality. and the same would extend for women, women's suffrage, in original feminism, and the right to vote. So they would have vestiges. That takes a long time to separate yourself from, I am in an identity group that is an aggrieved minority, and this political party holds itself out as the champion of that agreed to minority.

Except Republicans were the political party, the championed both of those things originally, which is funny. I know. But somehow history got turned on its head. You know what I mean? It's like starting in the 19, what? Basically, in the 1950s and 60s, those two ideologies in the political parties did switch, but on those issues. But then the other one is, I think you're right. And I don't mean it pejoratively either.

Look, men and women are complementary figures, and women see the world through more so. I'm not to suggest primarily, but certainly more so than men, through the prism of empathy. And empathy is a necessary tool. But so is what men bring to the table of cold hard rationality or practicality. Will that achieve what your empathy try to put pushes you towards? And I think so much of democratic politics plays exclusively on empathy. Because practicality would show, hey, did the war on poverty solve poverty? Or did capitalism solve poverty?

Or has all of this grievance politics done that much to actually achieve equality for black Americans? And but the, I think the female analysis of perspective of that is caught up again not pejoratively but but it's centered on the idea of empathy which we need i think we need individually i think we need familial and i think we do need societally as well but it has to be balanced against that more male instinct of of cold practicality well a party's going to play by the way empathy can't drive you away from principle what can't empathy cannot drive you away from principle that's the other thing i'm leaving out it's not just practicality because it's not just a utilitarian view of the world. But hey, these are truths we hold self-evident and here are

principles and empathy can't separate you from those first principles. No, but when you have an education system that's not teaching those first principles and is a wash in sort of social justice and this idea that, you know, the vehicle through which we do good in this world is through either our own personal activism or the bills that we can get passed and the people that we vote for, then that, then devoid of the underlying principles, that empathy looks really effective. And I think that's why you see that split. And men, it'll be the interesting part of those hockey stick graphs

or what does that look like in 15, 20 years? And what kind of political movements are created by that? And do you get, I mean, they always sort of traditionally, remember the Democrat Party's been known as the Mommy Party and the Republican Party known as the Daddy Party. I mean, there's a reason why those labels for decades have been applied. is that going to get even hyper more stark, especially with abortion? I think the Democrats are counting on it, and they're going to keep driving that wedge. Oh, yeah, abortion. But what's

interesting, what I want to dive into is we see everything through the lens of America. What's happening in South Korea? Like, this is happening across the globe. I would like to know what's happening in South Korea. All right. Story number three with Pete Hegseth. So last week, Pete jumped on, or two weeks ago, on this regular appearance here, Pete jumped on the the Will Kane show and basically called me out for my inconsistencies and my failures when it comes to my New Year's resolutions. So now it's time for me to turn the tables on Pete's all-talk inconsistencies. There was a weekend where we were talking about some of our deeper or more esoteric approaches to things. And I think we were talking about primarily politics, but also mixed

up in this with sports. And Pete said, I spent most of my life instinctually rooting for the underdog, you know, whether or not that's in sports or in politics. And I think it was with you were referencing Donald Trump. You realized that's not a valuable instinct, like, or it's not a guiding principle. I shouldn't always just root for the underdog. And by the way, Pete, I have that same underdog, like mentality. I don't like rooting for the favorite. It's just not fun.

Maybe because there's no big payoff. With the underdog, I get a big upset, even if I have a lower percentage of the payoff. It's like the home run hit in fandom. But you talk a big game about rooting for the favorites, and then you prance around in a Detroit Lions hat this weekend, which, by the way, you're a sports bigamist. You cheat on your Minnesota Vikings every time I turn around. You're not monogamous in your fandom. But you're also not faithful to your – I now like – I now like the favorites.

Count me among the New York Yankee fans. Wow. Where do I take – where do I start with that cultural assassination – or character assassination that just came. Yeah. We had this conversation in the context of I'm super passionate about politics because of the implications of how it will impact my future and the future of my kids and my country, but I'm passively passionate about sports and willing to be more frivolous about it because it doesn't matter at all. And I sort of impugned you and said, you actually self-indicted yourself by saying, okay, so you're saying I'm a kid who's never grown up because I'm still

passionate about sports and games that don't matter. And I would never say such a thing. You said that. But my day, you're right on, I mean, a couple of different conversations happened at once. Yes, Donald Trump rattled my cages on a lot of levels. And one of them was that idea like, why do we root for losers over and over again when we could be for the winners and, and we should win. And winning is avert. And I remember just thinking, yeah, everything I've ever, I love underdog candidates. I love underdog stories. I love underdog people. And that's me growing up in a Blue collar, you know, middle class. My dad would be like, yeah, we're playing the country club kids today.

They're their fancy uniforms. They think they're just going to, and we show up on our t-shirts and you beat the pants off them, and they're going to go home and cry to, you know, in their rich mansions, you know, like that was sort of the mindset that I grew up with, which I like having that, but I don't like losing time and time again. So I guess I've kind of, sports, I still like the underdog, and I'm happy and often root for the underdog. I'm not cheering for the chiefs. I'm not cheering for the Niners. I'm not, you know, I'm pulling for the lions. I haven't been there for 35 years. So yeah, I bought one hat with my kids to give them a little love and now I'm a sports, you know, whore. I get that. That perspective, but I would never put on, you know, a Democrat hat and be like, yo, I'm kind of, you know. So that's, I guess, where I'm mixing it up today.

What? Yeah, I'm just going to mix it up. up today with this Kamala hat. Just going to mix it up with Kamala a little bit. You know, Rachel will run, jump out and say, oh, I'm kind of like RFK and all that. You know, she's probably be more guilty of, she would never accept that. But, no, I mean, I guess, also, what am I going to do, switch to the Yankees because they win a lot?

I think there's also something really, you know, sad about people that just affixed their, themselves to winners because they want to be winners. Like, Donald Trump grew up in New York, and he picked the Yankees. Instead of the Mets, because he's a smart guy. But I didn't have any choices in Minnesota. I had the twins and the Vikings. And so I'm going to ride or die with them. And it turns out their underdogs.

Hey, you mentioned your wife a minute ago when we were talking about the divide between men and women. I think we talked about this recently as well during a commercial break. You know, Eagles offensive linemen, Jason Kelsey, brother to chiefs tied in Travis Kelsey. Last week went viral. He took his shirt off and, you know, jumped around and chugged a beer. and there was a story afterwards that his wife told him, you better not do that. And there was a lot of guys afterwards said,

oh, it's real cute when Jason Kelsey does it, but when I did it at Bob's wedding, nobody thought it was funny. The question I have for you is this, do you get in trouble? Like, there's this conversation about getting in trouble with your wife. I don't get in trouble. Like, I don't, now my wife will say things to me like,

you know, that's bad idea, and I value her judgment. Like, but I don't always, I don't always do what she says. She tells me not to wear what I'm wearing right now. Like I'm wearing a sweater with a crew neck, and she said men should have a collar on underneath the sweater. And I disagree. So I put on my Zelensky sweater, my Army Green Zelensky sweater.

So I valued her judgment. I put it in. And I said, you know what? No, this is what I do. So I don't get in trouble. I don't think I really get in trouble either. Now, full disclosure, Will, my wife is three feet away from me right now. now. She's sitting right here at a desk. So what I say might have some consequences

here. No, I don't. Like, I'll seek her advice and input. And as I shared with you, I've been known, I have taken my shirt off at an NFL football game and waved my shirt around my head and at NASCAR. NASCAR, it's a lot more acceptable than the NFL, but definitely at NASCAR had all the kids doing it. But I've done it an NFL game too. I think she would look at me and be like, what are you doing? But I wouldn't get in trouble for. I mean, the list of things that I would get in trouble for is really high and has a really high bar and would be really bad that any man would get in trouble for. Other than that, no, I just get, I get a scolding, you know, or come on, don't you know better? And she's a good recoverer. She doesn't silent treatment

to me for two days, which is a good attribute of a mature woman. So I, I'm not, I'm getting a smirk. I'm not too worried about getting in trouble. Not now. You know, she also pointed out, she also pointed out my argument was incomplete on the last topic. It's not that you have to cheer for the Yankees. It's that you have to not hate them for being good. And I hated the teams that were good. And that's a bad instinct. So, first of all, least surprising breaking news of this episode here of the Wilcane show.

If you had to vote on one Fox News host that you were pretty sure took his shirt off at a sporting event, it would be you. I mean, I said it to you. Get after. We were sitting on set. We were sitting on set, and I said, have you ever, and we were talking about Kelsey, and then I kind of just popped into my head, and I looked over at you, and I said, have you ever taken your shirt off at a game? And you kind of bowed your head for half a second, but then I go, yes.

And I thought, of course, of course you have. All in, baby, all in, 100%. Let's go. Let's do this. I wear jerseys. You're not afraid of double lettering. My face, but I would. When I knew, the reason I knew that would be you is, there's also, there's a rule that I was

taught when I was younger that you don't double letter. So what that means is you don't wear the jersey and the hat. You wear the hat or the jersey. You don't go Vikings hat, Vikings jersey, but you not only go Vikings hat, Vikings jersey, you go Vikings colored Jordans and a Vikings wristband. So you're just short of putting on shoulder pads. I'm just short of the guy with the face paint of the shoulder pans and the horns. Yeah, that could be it's me

If I took sports as seriously as I took politics But my Yeah, I'd like to be a cartoon of a fan I can't lie I'm ready to if they needed to put me in the game I'd be ready Real quick to button it up on guys getting in trouble I do think and I'm being a little facetious

But I'm also a little bit like Cultural analysis I do think that there is a thing Where men for whatever reason And I don't know to what extent extent, go about seeking their spouse, their significant other, in the vein of replacing their mom with their wife. I do think it's not just on the wife that says, hey, you're in trouble.

I think there's a little bit of glutton for punishment from the man that puts himself in a relationship where he gets in trouble. I do think he's replacing his mom with his wife. I think that could be true, and you learn the hard way. you figure it out. And thankfully, you know, here's what I've learned. Well, have you ever, do you ever call your wife mom? Like, do you ever say to the kids, hey, mom?

No, no. Like, listen to mom or do what mom says. Oh, yeah. But I'm saying I'm starting to blur that line a little bit every once in a while. Sometimes I say mom in a context where I should be referring to as my wife or Jen, and I say mom and the kids are around, and I don't like that. And I've got to reel that back in. because you see couples that have been together for 25 years, and it's mom only, and that's not good.

No, you've got to button that up. You've got to fix that real quick. You can't call her mom, except it's your mom or, hey, guys, go, your mom said this. If it's just the two of you and the kids aren't in the house and you're like, hey, mom, we need another episode of this to break down what's going on here. We're not there yet, but I don't want to get there. All right, story number four with Pete Heck Seth. Mark Cuban has just been in it. The front of basketball operations for the Dallas Mavericks, the former owner of the Dallas Mavericks,

he's just been in it when it comes to DEI. And he's got into this massive debate with an anonymous account on X entitled The Rabbit Hole. And they've just gone back and forth. And look, there's a level of fandom to me when it comes to the Dallas Mavericks, although I'm starting to be like, I'm not sure Mark is really good at running the Mavericks, where I root for Mark Cuban. But this whole DEI thing has been a thing where I'm like, what's wrong with Mark Cuban? And he's openly advocating for racial preferences or the use of race in hiring.

And he said the following in his ongoing debates with Rabbit Hole. He posted, let's turn this around. You're a CEO of a successful company that has 30 employees that are all black women. And you think a different perspective will help you grow the firm. So you decide you want to hire a white man. Would you be against that? He thinks he's turning it on its head and showing the value of hiring someone of a different race or different background. He thinks he's turning it on its head to say, this is why you would do so.

If it were 30 white men, you'd look to hire a black woman. Mike Solana, who is a commentator on X, said this in response. The way this man just casually argued, a room of 30 black women constitutes the presence of a single opinion and thinks that is not racist is wild. So what he's pointing out is Mark presumes in his like, I'm going to be really cute rhetorically and logically here and reverse engineer this, but he undercuts the idea and exposes it he's presuming 30 black women all have the same opinion. Exactly. That to me is the underlying assumption where this entire argument is racist and fails is that an entire racial group or gender group or the combination of the two is a monolith with one mind and this is how they think and this is what they do. what caricature, based on your lens of what a black woman would think or how she would operate or what her value system would be? What black woman, a black woman from Atlanta or from Minnesota or from a rich black woman or a poor black woman? I mean, same of any gender

or race. The whole thing assumes sort of a herd mentality. And every argument that he makes is premised on that. So yeah, if we have 30 black women, then we need to bring a white man on for a different perspective you're you're you're just assuming one thing about all those women and yeah the other thing is why is mark cuban debating an anonymous account i don't understand this is what i don't understand about the internet i i wish i didn't have the internet i wish i didn't have social media i wish i you know only wrote letters but i wouldn't write any so i wouldn't talk to anybody okay i don't want any of this but i'd like to put the whole genie back in the bottle but i can't but even okay so we have it But why are the billionaires debating anonymous accounts called rabbit hole?

The whole point is to take you down a rabbit hole. But apparently he thinks he can prove something. And in the process, I mean, I love the environment that Musk has created where people can challenge these billionaires and expose them for their assumptions, which are really elementary. And if they have to defend them, they can't. And people have made, you know, targeted, well, why don't you have certain people on your basketball team? if you believe in different racial and gender backgrounds.

He's just hasn't thought it through and wants to be liked by the right people. And so he says, dumb stuff. I actually think it's more complicated. I have a little bit of a pushback. So on its surface, I am right there. And I have spent countless hours in media, both in sports media and now in political media, talking about how offensive it is to presume someone's individual thoughts are, pre-determined or presumed based upon their superficial characteristics.

And I think that's true, especially when it's used as an enforcement mechanism. You know, you're black, so you have to vote this way or think this way. Like, the most offensive thing is like what was said by Joe Biden. If you don't vote for me, you're not black. That's out-of-sight racist. But, and I find people who, you know, blaze trails of individuality fascinating. find Thomas' soul fascinating. But, you know, Pete, that also acknowledges that he is blazing an independent trail. So there is a reality that we have to acknowledge that I think

maybe Mark Cuban is baked in there. And that is there are demographic correlations to points of view. I mean, that's just a statistical fact. You know, 90% of people, black people do vote black. I mean, do vote Democrat. And, you know, we just got done talking about men are increasingly voting Republican and women are increasingly voting Democrat. And so I don't know like did Mark Cuban get caught in this racist moment or is he resting this on something that we all know is there and we all talk about and it doesn't rob anyone of their individuality and it shouldn't rob you individuality, but it also can't have you pretending that the world doesn't exist the way that it does exist. Then I guess wouldn't that all depend on what kind of company you run and what kind of outcome

you want and how and the type of profile a person you're looking for so you know i that it exposes the the the um the desires of like airlines to say okay we want um you know certain types of female or minority pilots well if you don't have a problem with your take off and landing rate with the current pilots you have then what are you trying to get after other than some quota or number that allows you to virtue signal but if you're running a company that's trying to, I don't know, market to different types of people with different viewpoints, then there might be some value in identifying certain traits in different backgrounds. But that, again, that's a bottom line calculation, not a skin color calculation per se.

That's why I'm so against what the military is doing. It's like, okay, you don't need, if you need a good rifleman, it doesn't matter if they were rich or poor or black or white. The skills you can teach them are. are going to manifest the same if you train them properly. So I see what you're saying. I don't know.

I mean, I guess... Yeah. But again, I want it driven by the bottom line. And I want it driven... So I guess in the end, like, I've always... I'll also push back. And the left says this,

and I agree with the left on this, like the presumption of colorblindness is ridiculous. Like, no one walks to the world truly colorblind. We all see each other's differences. And so in the corollary to this thing with Mark Cuban,

we can all acknowledge reality. We can see, oh, certain demographic groups have a common point of view or a more common point of view or vote a certain way. But then after acknowledging reality, we strive to get beyond that and see each other and give each other the opportunity as individuals. You know, and so it's not color blindness. It's looking beyond color to what you're talking about, merit and character and individuality. Well, it's very nice of you to give, like you put on the Kamala Harris hat for a second. There's very nice of you to give a little bit of a nod to the left. I will give no quarter. Yeah. Okay. Colorblindness should be, I'm just kidding.

Colorblindness should be our goal. That's what I was taught. I know it's not possible. I know it's not, you know, you're just going to see someone's, but that, I don't know. I just, I hate the fact that this movement has written that off as somehow racist or unacceptable when to me that was always the goal is to move past. superficial labeling, and I'd like to recapture that, actually, colorblindness. But that's how I want my kids to do the way. I think we're saying the same thing.

I think we're saying the same thing. It's a... Totally. It's so many things. It's caught up in semantics. People use different words. Story number five with Pete Hague said. Finally, Pete and I every weekend have pretty, what we do. We have breakfast together every weekend. Sometimes on set, sometimes in the American Express lounge. Sometimes it's Chick-fil-A bowl for breakfast. Sometimes it's a sausage egg and cheese. we're both, by the way, trying to get better. We both have made a vow last weekend at the American Express Lounge

to stop eating so much French toast that our faces begin to look like zits that need to be popped. So we need to, Pete was the one that said maybe no carb February. But you also have told me you're big and the cereal. Your family is a big cereal family. You grew up a big cereal guy. And so, by the way, not really. Definitely not now.

I don't even think we stock cereal. I don't like drinking milk for breakfast. And when I was growing up, like, I had these arbitrary rules in my house where, like, we didn't get sugary cereals, but we got apple jacks. Like, apple jacks is where we really stretched our legs. But most of the time, it was like honeynut Cheerios, which is also sugary. But Lucky Charms and fruity pebbles, no way that stuff was making it into my house. So you are much more of an expert on cereal.

So I thought maybe today we'd end with, give me your top cereals. I appreciate that. Uh, same rules applied in the Hegg South household when I was growing up. No treats. We call it treat cereal. You know, we're not doing that. But then my dad would have rice Krispies on the daily and pour a mountain of sugar on top of it as if that was better, uh, than whatever else was it could be in the cover. Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.

There's no, by the way, I love milk. I'm a whole milk family only. Whole milk is unbelievable. I used to call it restaurant milk because we had one percent at home and then we go to the restaurant and drink milk and it would be way better. And I'm like, why is the restaurants milk better? because it's just whole milk. So cereal has to be had with very cold whole milk. And when you have cereal with very cold whole milk, it's life-changing. It's basically like eating ice cream, even if you're not having sugar cereal. So here's my top five non-treat, treat cereal. Top five. Going away,

Krispix is my favorite. Non-treat. I love it. I don't know, it's half rice. It's half corn. It's phenomenal. Special K, number two, simple, terrible, amazing. Grape nuts. Soggy. Fantastic. You, you, You can't, you got to kind of fit, you got to eat it fast because you want the crunch. And so you put more milk in than the grape nuts. You kind of swamp it. And then you get every bite gets lots of milk in it with crunchy nuts. I'm still a Wheaties guy because I loved it back when you could get your favorite local sports guy in the cover. Love it.

And Cheerios, I can still go for Cheerios. A lot of the Holiday Expresses I stay at, they've got Cheerios, they've got one treat cereal and something else, and I go Cheerios. Now, sweet cereal, Lucky Charms, Cocoa Krispies. fruity pebbles, honeycomb, doesn't get enough love, and cinnamon toast crunch. Okay, here's the failures and here's the successes. Cereals like fruity pebbles are in the Rice Krispies vein. They're just vehicles for soggyness. They're terrible because all you do is just mush, mush things between your teeth.

Same criticism of the special K's and the Wheaties and to a less extent the frosted flakes. I don't like the flake-based cereal. it's also a machine for soggyness. Well, you've been doing it wrong. Here's what you did well. Hold on, just real quick, one quick on that. You just pour smaller bowls. This is what I do.

I pour tiny little bowls, and I put milk in, and I eat it fast, and it stays crunchy the whole time. So don't do big bowls. Do lots of small bowls. And less milk, by the way. I go low milk, if any of these. By the way, grape nuts is a great call. I think grape nuts is a hugely underrated cereal. And on the sweet treats, you're right, it's Lucky Charms.

That's the solid cereal. And by the way, don't give me this only marshmallow, Lucky Charms. You need the treat of the marshmallow hidden inside the bland other parts of the Lucky Charms to make it fun. If it's all marshmallow, it's not fun. It's like sunny days. I lived in Southern California. You know what's the thing about it? If you got 365 sunny days, you know what they stop being?

Sunny days. You need some rainy days, some cold days to make you appreciate the sunny day. I need the bland part of the lucky charms to appreciate the fun part of the lucky charms. And then finally, the one you didn't mention that I think deserves love is honey bunches of oats. I think it's an awesome combination of flake and crunch and sweet and nutritious. It brings it all together, honey bunches of oats. I just have nothing for oats. I have nothing for granola.

My wife eats fistfuls of granola on the regular, and I look at her, and I just think, are you a squirrel? I just don't understand granola. So that's why it's out for me. I love nuts. I love granola. I love Pete Hegseth. All right, buddy, always fun. I'll see you on the weekend.

Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Take care. There you goes. My co-host of Fox and Friends Weekend and Off the Wall, Pete Hegseth here on the Will Kane show. Everyone talks about trans athletes being a threat to women's sports. what might be the biggest threat to women's sports, the biggest threat to Title IX. It's actually the free market.

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That's everyone talks about trans athletes being a threat to women's sports, but the real threat to Title IX is the free market. That's coming up in just a moment here on the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com, and on the Fox News YouTube channel. But what should be done about Congressman Ilan Omar, who basically and openly said that her priorities are Somalia first? Let's get into that, plus a few other issues, with Congressman Chip Roy of Texas, who joins us now.

Fellow Texan Chip Roy, great to have you on the show here, Congressman. Yeah, great to be on the show. Well, yeah, I mean, as we've talked about before, was a prosecutor in Sherman, your hometown. I used to drive up and down 75 from McKinney up to the, you know which building it is, because it's the only building that, you know, has those kind of offices in and then I also worked out of the Plano courthouse. But anyway, back and forth. Yeah, man, I grew up going to that federal courthouse and Sherman watching my dad argue in front of Judge Paul Brown. So I love our common connections. Congressman, hey, I wanted

to ask, and I told your staff, okay, when the congressman comes in today, I want to talk to him about a couple of different issues. But, you know, listen, I do, I think that you are a thinker, and I think that you are someone who is, who is focused with good intentions on what is the best for, I hope, obviously, your district, for the state of Texas, but also the United States of America. And we do a lot when we come on Fox and talking points get repetitive and subjects even get repetitive. And I thought, you know what, I just want to ask the congressman, what is, in your estimation, the biggest issue facing America that very, very, you know, few people are talking about that's not making its way, for example, onto Fox?

Well, that's a good question. I mean, there's probably a lot, but I'm just going to, you know, usually go with your gut. I'm going to be my first answer. My pastor from the church that I was in for about 20-something years in Austin, a high park Baptist church recently put out a post, detailing the extent to which the what's called nuns, right, people have no affiliation with church, is on the rise. So if you go back to two, I mean, these numbers, are going to be rough. From my head, 2007, I think we were at about 16% of Americans who checked the box saying no affiliation, right, in terms of their affiliation with any church, Protestant, Catholic, anything. And now that number is about 28%. That's been about 15 years.

We've gone from 16% to 28%. That is stark shift has occurred for people under the age of 50. 70% of those nuns are under 50. And the target there, really is it's also heavily males and frankly a white population. So we've got a real problem where we are losing our younger men in particular and our younger generation generally. You know, that's always been an issue, right? You've got young people and they're exploring. But they kind of had a foundation and they come back to the church and you go through life. We've got a real problem now. So if you ask me if there's something, it's a cultural issue, right? And we start losing our soul as a nation in terms of what our foundation.

principles were built upon when we move away from those principles of Western civilization. It goes to the heart of the fight in Israel right now. It goes to the heart of the fight right now about our border. It goes to the heart of the fight right now in terms of our woke policies and, you know, that a man can have a baby and all that kind of stuff. It's all being turned on its head. So if that answers your question, I'd say that that's concerning to me. Well, here's what I appreciate what you had to say. Anybody that believes in freedom in the concept of limited government also has to acknowledge that society and culture has to rest upon something else that guides morality. If you don't turn to the government to define, hey, what's

the way to live a good life? You have to have some guiding light, some principle. And it's just a matter of historical fact that in America, that was a Christian-based value system that guided people. And if you are cast adrift and you don't have some affiliation, you're going to seek something. You're going to seek some moral guidance. You're going to seek some purpose. And I do think, to your point. What we're seeing so much with young men, I actually think that, you know, the proliferation of school shootings. I think that the rising rates of mental health issues all can come back to this foundational erosion of, hey, what is it that gives you meaning? No, I agree. Well, you said it very well. I mean, I would say, you know, what was it that brought Americans from all walks of life

in 1944 to sit in the foxholes in Bastogne together, whether you grew up in Brooklyn or whether you grew up in West Texas or you grew up in Iowa or you grew up in, you know, San Francisco. You came together and we had largely a fabric, thread that held us all together. Belief in our country, yes, a patriotism built upon, you know, our belief and shared values and the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, when we taught our kids in schools, but also just who we are, who we were. That is getting torn apart. People don't realize, and there's a connection here, 50 percent, I'm sorry, 50 million people. 16% of Americans are foreign-born.

Now, that's higher than any level, even going back to the 19th century. But it's concerning now in particular because of what I just said, right? We're breaking away from our foundational principles. We're breaking away from having people churched. And we're not teaching our kids in schools that America is great, that Western civilization is strong, that the Constitution is good, if God exists, we're not teaching any of that stuff. We're teaching the opposite. America is evil.

Don't believe in the Constitution. You should tear down statues of Thomas Jefferson. You can't talk about God. Men can have babies, right? We are breaking down everything that bound us together. So how on earth can you then unite, right? That's, I think, the foundational question for us heading into, you know, the future of our country going forward. So then that brings me to this.

I want to ask you about your colleague, Congressman Ilan Omar. She gave a speech. The translations, she gave it, it wasn't in English, the translations of which suggests she said something like her are Somalia first, and that her role as she sees it inside of Congress is to guide the American government toward the interests of Somalia. She also talked about her appreciation for whatever it is, the king or president of Somalia. You know, Congressman, and we can get into this a little bit to the amount of time we have together.

Like, you know, actually, I think on this, Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis probably see the country in the same way, and that is, and I say that because I know you supported Ron DeSantis, America first, right? As a modern day, as a modern day, not necessarily with all its historical ties is what I'm suggesting, but as a modern day iteration is about, like, hey, should we be electing people? You know, I didn't like it when your other colleague, and I would tell him this Congressman Brian Mast wore an IDF uniform on the floor of the Congress. I don't like that. I don't want a congresswoman from Minnesota saying it's Somalia first. It seems to me a pretty basic issue. If you're elected, you should represent America first.

Yeah, well, first of all, and thank you to bring that up. And I know we're not here to litigate the presidential deal, but I agree with you, actually. I mean, the president Trump, when he came into office in 2016, and then in his four years in office, expousing America first was absolutely the right thing to do. And frankly, it put us in a better footing around the world. He was heading us in the right direction with respect to the border. There are a whole lot of positive things to say there, right? I just had my views about someone who could serve for eight years and other things. And, you know, that's been litigated and Governor DeSantis as suspended his campaign. But the point matters. We need leaders, not just

President Trump as a candidate and running this year, not just Governor DeSantis in Florida. We need members of Congress to stand up loudly to advance America first and to check and hold responsible those who are doing the opposite. Now, I've got to parse her words and go look at it, right? Whether you censure, like we just recently censured Congresswoman to lead for her ridiculous commentary with respect to Israel and Hamas and so forth. So we spoke on the record on that, and that was important. We obviously just removed Representative Santos for some legal questions. I did not support that removal because due process matters, and he hadn't gone to court, and Congress shouldn't go through that. Not to go down a rabbit trail, but my point is,

I've got to go think about what you're asking, what is the right approach to handle Congresswoman Omar's statements. But they are reprehensible. And they are deserving of rebuke. And I've raised that issue with the speaker and with people in the conference because it matters that the American people see this. I want to the context of what you're talking about for the listeners who haven't, or viewers who haven't seen it. She was standing in a room filled with people predominantly, it appears based on the video, to be Somali, pushing that issue of saying, we're going to force them, meaning us, the leaders of this country, to respond to the demands and interests of Somalia. That is a big problem, and that was happening in Minnesota. This is what I was getting at about what's happening with respect to people flooding into our country, 50 million foreign born. We better get, you know, some religion really quickly about what we want to do as a country

to preserve and protect our own sovereignty in terms of borders and our immigration policy and how we handle. Well, so I heard you kind of almost workshopping, and I appreciate you said I got to think about what the right approach may be, but I could also hear you kind of workshopping and drawing parallels with Santos and Talib in terms of censure and kicking out. And while we're talking about DeSantis, I believe DeSantis, I can't remember specifically what he's called for when it comes to Omar, but what did he say? Was it? I can't remember. I think he said she should be removed from Congress, deported, and something else. It was a strong statement. I mean, he wasn't equivocal. And I certainly have that same gut reaction. But I also, I always try to, you know, you've got to be measured.

It's the former prosecutor in me. I've got to go ahead, okay, what are the facts in front of me? What is she saying? What are the standards? What is due process? Censure, removal. But we've got to have a serious conversation because it was an absolutely absurd statement by a sitting member of Congress. I appreciate the deliberation you just laid out there on how, like you said, prosecutorial or calculate you need to be in making sure you make the right decision. But the gut instinct, I think it's all of us in the same way. Hey, while we're on DeSantis for a moment, listen, I don't know. I don't know you and I ever talked off camera.

We definitely talked on camera about DeSantis. I know you were a big supporter of him. Something didn't click with Ron DeSantis. It could just been the presence of Donald Trump, but I don't know. I don't know, Congressman. I don't know. And people that love Ron DeSantis have trouble accepting that I can have both of these thoughts at the same time. I can really like him, which I do as a governor, and have some.

some doubts about his ability to appeal to the nation at large. And now he's not running again. It's like he's resonating again, like on this or other issues. Something fell short with Ron DeSantis. So, you know, I generally speak openly and truthfully, and I will hear. I'm particularly close with him, spent a lot of time with him, and I'm trying to be mindful of private conversations we've had. But in broad terms, I'll just say this, yes, he's been not getting out of the park since he's

suspended. You know, I was in Tallahassee last weekend. you know, the last, what, now almost two weeks, 10 days. He's just been killing it on social media. He knows Sunday Mason talking about football games, you know, just not even batting an eye at these tough considerations. Omar should be booted. Way more personality.

To your point, way more personality than as a candidate. So what I've been trying to tell people, I was on the stump, right? I did what 50 events or whatever it was across Iowa in South Carolina, New Hampshire. That's the, that's the run that I know, right? That's the governor who is a great governor. That's who I see out there. husband, the father, the engaging individual. Look, here's the deal. At the end of the day, he was running, to his credit and courage, he was running into the buzzsaw, running into the wind

of Donald Trump, who is, you know, a spectacle into himself, right? So you're running into, no offense to Fox, essentially a 20 to one earned media disadvantage against, you know, the Trump discussions on Fox and every other network, Newsmax, everything else. So that's difficult, Like just mathematically, you're just, you're having to run against that. And you have to make a call. Like, go look at Nikki, right? Nikki is trying to go get Democrats' independence and the softest side of the Republican Party, right? Nobody can actually debate that.

That's literally what she's doing. Ron DeSantis was running as essentially for a lot of the block that supports Donald Trump. It's tired of the swamp, wants the place to change. So it was hard to make a call, like how much do you hit Donald Trump? There are things to criticize Donald Trump for, well removed, from any of the stuff that's in the news. Like, for example, I made some of the Trump world mad because I called him out on shutdowns, on Fauci,

on the Vax mandates and the warp speed. I called him out on not getting the border fully secured and siding with Paul Ryan when they did an amnesty bill in the summer of 2018. I called him out on not getting Obamacare repealed. I know it was John McCain that did this, but you know what? When they came in, he was working with Paul Ryan,

oh, let's do a soft Obamacare light. Look, I could go down a laundry list. I'm not here to bash Trump. President Trump is decidedly easy to support in terms of his love of America, you know, against Joe Biden. I mean, come on, this is easy stuff. But for me, Ron DeSantis offered somebody who had delivered overwhelmingly in Florida. So I need to answer your question. It was an almost insurmountable challenge to go want to go attract the Trump voter away from Trump to get behind DeSantis.

Yeah. 21% of Iowa was pretty good. He just wanted to do better. So, you know. The only one I'd push back on, and look, I don't presume anybody is perfect. No politician is beyond criticism. Vax mandates. I mean, while Fauci and Warp Speed are things that we could analyze and criticize, I mean,

he didn't embrace any Vax mandates that I'm aware of. Am I missing something that Trump pushed Vax mandates? Well, first of all, yes. And I go back and find some quotes that I'll shoot him to you. you know, by sell, I got to go fine. I'm on top of my head. But, but, but importantly, remember he went out and he said to governors, you don't have the power to do this. I do. Remember, he stood up and defended Fauci. There are a lot of quotes where he's standing in the microphone saying, this is important, we got to do this. And importantly, he gave Fauci a freaking

accommodation on the way out of town. Like, look, he's never apologized for shutting down the biggest economy in the history of the world, pushing these vaccines out and saying, you've got to go get these things. Mandates notwithstanding, the federal government started engaging in those mandatory things. And, you know, military and everything else, I can't remember the timeline of when that happened versus Joe Biden's tenure. But they had set the stage as that was getting released. And he's never said, hey, that was a bad idea to promote it. And I don't want to litigate it because I don't have it in front of me either. I think the vaccine comes out in like November, December for the first group of people that can get it. It's then in the spring of 21.

And so I would assume a lot of those mandates are under Joe Biden within the federal that's correct but but but but i will say though the warp speed push and the and the hey for the lockdowns i have the power you don't have the power as governors and and frankly never wanting to say you know back away from all of that i think that's a problem but anyway litigated the point is three years of president trump were awesome and strong economy and standing up alongside israel standing up for our border and standing up for a men and women uniform i mean those are all obvious and easy things to phrase. Let's end with this, because I know you have a heart out here at the top of the hour.

So what is your relationship? I know that he, when you were supporting Ron DeSantis, Trump said, hey, let's primary Chip Roy. You know, I hear you Dow. It sounds to me like now there's like, I don't know, do you support Trump now versus Nicky? Yeah. What is your relationship with Trump? Well, honestly, we don't really have a direct one-on-one relationship. We didn't when he was president.

I mean, I went over the White House a few times. we imagine group formats and stuff. But bottom line is, I'm going to support the Republican nominee period. I've said that Nikki Haley is not who should be the nominating. You know, we're, you know, I appreciate the president. But by the way, when the RNC was playing with the games, but I would just go ahead and annoyance and he put out a statement and said, now I need to do this the old-fashioned way.

That is correct. They'll earn it, state-by-state, go through Novotica, through South Carolina, and so forth. But importantly, remember, this is funny. I work for Rick Perry. You'll appreciate this as a Texan. Remember Rick Perry called it. him, I think, a cancer in the summer of 2015, maybe, or maybe 16. I can't remember which. And then he ended up being his Secretary of Energy. Right. Look, politics is a rough and tumble

sport. And look, President Trump knows that, appreciates that. I work very closely. A lot of people as administration, Russ Vote, the head of the office management and budget is one of my best friends. Tom Homan, former head of ICE, Mark Morgan, former head of Border Patrol. I can go down a list. These are all my dear friends. We're all on the same team. what we're trying to do. I think primaries are important. President Trump is, you know, he's not going to hold prejudice on that. Some of the influencers out there are a little bit, shall I say, not exactly how you should handle yourselves, but I'll be fine with President Trump going forward.

Well, to me, as I've looked from distance, I don't see a lot of daylight ideologically between you and all these others, you know, that we're talking about. And so, listen, I appreciate you coming on. I always appreciate our conversations. I hope to have you more here in the future on The Will Kane Show. Yeah, let's do it. Let's get a beer in Texas or D.C. or New York or wherever, but good to see it. Sounds good. Take care. Congressman Chip Roy. There you go. Fascinating conversation. I think also a way to see some of these guys outside of the normal confines of a three-minute television hit, what they think and how they think. Coming up, the biggest threat to women's sports might not be trans athletes, but it might just be the free market. That's next on the Will Cain Show. Hey there, it's me. Kennedy, make sure to check out my podcast. Kennedy saves the world.

It is five days a week, every week. Download and listen at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. ball. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com and at the Fox News YouTube channel on video, on demand, our interviews like that with Pete Heggseth yesterday with Dave Portnoy last week with Jordan Peterson or Stephen A. Smith or The Rock, all available Will Cain show on YouTube. You can also listen to this podcast whenever you'd like on demand, Apple, Spotify, or at Fox News Podcasts. Go hit subscribe. You can't defeat the free market. A few years ago, I was appearing on ESPN's first take, and I was explaining the pay difference between women's U.S. national team soccer players and men's national team soccer players.

The conversation is painted in the public square as though it's a reflection of the gender pay gap, that it's misogyny, that it is bigotry that results in Megan Rapino making less money than Christian Pulisage. when the truth is it's simple arithmetic it's simple math the men's world cup is exponentially larger than the women's world cup it's divorced from the performance of the men's national team or the women's national team the bottom line is it's an entertainment product and if more people watch you lose then you will make more money than a smaller group of people that come in to watch you win it's simple free market that clip went viral about a year ago on 10 TikTok and Instagram, weirdly, three years or so after I made that argument. But we're watching that same argument play out when it comes to the NCAA. Title IX is the federal law that brought gender equity to college sports. It meant that the same number of scholarships would be available for men and women when it comes to sports, when it comes to the NCAA.

It's really fascinating. I remember when it came in, and all of a sudden, what you begin to see is some non-revenue-generating sports on the men's side disappear. UCLA, a famous, very good men's swimming program overnight axed. You saw men's programs axed. To the point, today there are, I believe I have the numbers correct, 23 women's NCAA scholarship providing sports. There's 17 men's sports.

If you have a daughter and you're looking for a scholarship, there's some sports out there. They just aren't available to your son, like five scholarships available for archery. Six, if you're into badminton. Ten, if your daughter plays handball. How about this? Squash, 12 women's scholarships. There's zero on any of these sports when it comes to men. Another 12 for field hockey.

If your daughter's into bowling, she can get a college scholarship. If your son's into bowling, good luck. Maybe there's a tour he can join. But it also broke down. according to how many different sports got a men's scholarship versus a women's scholarship. And I find these numbers fascinating. For example, my sport, I always knew when we were there, you get four and a half scholarships in water polo.

But on the women's side, they have eight scholarships they can use to build a team. Gymnastics, men's six and a half scholarships. Women's, 12. Basketball is 13 and 15, a little bit closer. Track men's, track and field athletes, 12 women's. 20. Soccer, 9.9 for men, 14 for women. And volleyball, from what I can see is the biggest disparity, men's volleyball has four and a half scholarships, women's volleyball has 12 scholarships. Now, why? Why is this? Because everybody's trying to balance out against football. 85 scholarships for football. And that eats up so much of the men's quota that you get sports for women, more sports for women, and you get more scholarships for sports where you have both a men's and a women's program and that was the idea that was how you would increase increase opportunity that's how you would create the i guess i guess somehow attainable goal of gender equity but there's been a lot

of talk about trans athletes like lea thomas upending that apple cart first of all swimming on the women's swimming team at penn or now lea is petitioning to be able to go to the olympics as a women swimmer, just, I mean, societal insanity. But what really might be a threat is the demise of the currency that is the college scholarship. I heard this story recently, very high up at a big Division I university. This university was telling me they were recruiting a high-level collegiate golfer, and they offered him a scholarship. but he went to another program, a bigger program, where they didn't have any available scholarships.

Now, why would he go to a school where he is offered no scholarship versus a school where he's being offered a full scholarship because of name, image, and likeness? By going to this other program, he has a backdoor into paying for his education. He has a backdoor into getting more than perhaps the value of his education. He can make money. And this is in golf. Now, golf is, while not a big collegiate revenue-generating sport, it is a personality-driven sport, and it can springboard you into, you know, a big professional career.

But it's in a fascinating decision that shows the declining value of the scholarship. We see this in Division I football as well. We've seen athletes that now, I mean, everybody gets a scholarship, mostly at 85 scholarships, but the NIL becomes, the NIL deal, becomes more valuable. Because what we're talking about here, look, at the highest levels, it's millions, but that's not really who we're talking about here. We're talking about lower level athletes. It's still six figures.

It's easy to get NIL deals in the hundreds of thousands. As compared against, what, a public school scholarship? I mean, in-state, by the way, you're talking about, what, $20,000, out of state, you're talking $40,000. So you're talking about the scholarship no longer being the currency of college sports. And if scholarships aren't the currency, how do you enforce gender equity? There's a lawsuit that's just been filed by the states of Tennessee and Virginia against the NCAA saying they can't enforce rules that limit NIL. It's a violation of the free market.

It's an antitrust violation. So they can't go in according to this lawsuit and say, no, you only have this much. NIL, you have this much. They can't salary cap the NIL. Now, we'll see if they win those lawsuits. But if you have no limitations on what you can offer an athlete, NIL, what you're talking about is complete free market and paying athletes. And combined with that exceeding the value of a scholarship, you have no way of normalizing, in terms of the pursuit of gender equity, the goal of Title IX. What is a, you know, oh, men's volleyball, four and a half scholarship, women volleyball, 12 scholarships.

What do I need a scholarship for? Twelve dudes getting NIL money at a greater rate than the value of the education. And now, who cares about scholarships? All of a sudden, this idea that you're going to accomplish gender equity through legislation and regulation falls flat. It's over. And it highlights, I think, back to the women's soccer and men's. soccer pay differential that you can try your best but you can't beat the free market and why is that

because in the end the free market is simply a collection of choices of individual choices if more people want to watch christin pulisich the medin ripino then they will and you can't tell them they can't if less people want to watch alex morgan then uh ricardo peppy with who you've never heard of But I can promise you is a good soccer player, then they won't, no matter how much you force-feed it onto television or in ticket sales. And if more people want to get college golfers to come to one school versus the other, no scholarship limitations is going to be able to limit the collection of individual choices that is the free market. you can't force gender equity if people don't choose to view things equally and they shouldn't that's the price of freedom individual choice you can't beat the market all right what a big episode today a fun episode had a good time with my friend pete heggseth in a fascinating interview

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