Will Cain Country - Pete Prisco: Breaking Down Super Bowl LIX And The NFL Coaching Carousel 

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

On this edition of The Will Cain Show’s Friday sports episode, Will sits down with Senior NFL Columnist at CBSSports.com and NFL Analyst at CBS Sports HQ, Pete Prisco to break down every detail to preview the Super Bowl LIX Matchup between the Kanas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles. Plus, they discuss if Patrick Mahomes has entered the 'GOAT' conversation as well as the NFL coaching carousel and a look ahead to this year's NFL draft.    Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Make sure you subscribe, hit your reminders, and you can join us on the ground at the Super Bowl. We'll have a big show lined up for you, both this digital Canaan Sports streaming edition of the Will Cane Show and the 4 o'clock edition on the Fox News Channel. Today, though, we begin what amounts to two weeks of coverage of the Super Bowl. I always enjoy my conversations with Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist at CBSSports.com, also an NFL at CBS Sports HQ. It's Pete Prisco here on the Will Kane show.

What's up, Pete? How are you doing, Will? You're a little grobbling the voice, huh? It's one of those things where you like, you get to sound like you've been taking testosterone replacement therapy. but you know it's going to go away you're going to get healthy i wish i could keep the deep voice i think i don't know maybe it may be sounding weak but for a while it sounds strong and there's a minute there where you're like this is how i should always sound and you're like who the hell is that talking right now doesn't sound like me right um when i'm i'm on the mend unfortunately

so my voice is going to go back with more treble um we got what's going to be in the end two weeks a Super Bowl talk here, Pete. Are you tired of it? Are you tired of talking about the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes? You know, it's funny. We were doing some shows the other day, and we were trying to come up with stuff to talk about because we've already talked about everything, you know?

It's amazing how the two weeks is just non-stop. You know, it's the same topics. Where is Patrick Mahomes ragged? Where is Andy Reid ragged? Where is Jalen Hurts worthy of being a legitimate, you know, top 10 quarterback? Saquan Barkley, the value, the same stories. You get it's the same stories.

And remember, there were seasons where there wasn't an extra week in between. They just went right from the championship game to the Super Bowl. And that was tough on the teams. It was tough in a lot of ways, but it kind of condensed all the talk leading up to it. You didn't have the same stories over and over, over again. Okay, well, let's just do it. What have you decided? I mean, I think the argument is now down to Brady and Mahomes.

And I think there's some legitimacy now to putting that debate side by side. There was some time where it's like, you can't forget about Joe Montana, who was incredible and both you and I saw in our lifetime. But at this point, Patrick Mahomes is on an absolute war path to assault Brady's legacy. And here's the thing, Brady, for whatever he did, he didn't win three in a row. You know, and I always go back to Bird and Magic in the NBA. as great as they were and as much as they changed things, they didn't win three in a row.

Jordan did, and Jordan did it twice. And that's a big difference. If you win three Super Bowls in a row making claim to something that nobody else did, then you could start making claim to being the best of all time. And I think he will be the best of all time. You know, this will be the fourth if he gets it, three in a row. And not only that, he's only 29. I mean, you know, you compare the numbers when they're both at 29,

and his numbers are better. And so I think you're right. It's between those two, and I think ultimately he wins this one. He takes him down. This one will put him over the top. You know, I heard this this week, Pete, and they were talking about this on local radio in Dallas. I found this stat absolutely mind-blowing.

So they did a little study on quarterbacks with one minute to go, and you need to score, or a touchdown to win or tie the game. So it's that clutch situation. What are you going to do for your team? One minute to go. Brady was 5 of 11, which is good. Like, we're talking about the tops right now.

It's not just like selecting among these guys. These are some of the best to ever do it. Drew Breeze, I believe was 50%. It was like 4 for 8 or 6 for 12 in that situation. Okay, so you can imagine now. This is where the best quarterbacks of all time are ranking in that situation. One minute to go, half to score. Patrick Mahomes, seven of seven.

He's perfect clutch. And you know what? When you look at these two teams in this game, the Eagles are the better team, but because of what you just mentioned right there, that's why the chiefs are a favored, and that's why the chiefs are probably going, at least in my mind, going to win the game.

How do you pick against that? That is what defines the greatest of all, time. You know, it's Michael Jordan when he, you know, made the shot against Utah. It's Michael Jordan when he made the shot over Craig Elo. Those are the moments for those great players. They do it in the clutch, in the crunch time. And that's why I think, you know, he's going to be, if he wins this in my mind, he's taken over as the greatest of all time. Because how many games, how many NFL games come down to the last possession? I don't know. You may know off the top of your head, but it's like an incredibly inordinate percentage. of games in the NFL, unlike college football, come down to that last possession. So by that token, if the Eagles are going to win, they've got to win handily. Like they've got to be up 10, 14 with, you know, four minutes left on the clock. They can't be within a touchdown.

Otherwise, you're exactly right. Like I bank on Patrick Mahomes. So the question is, can they be up like that in the Super Bowl? You know, normally I look at this Eagles team and I say they're going to do what they do, which is physically mall. And, you know, there, and Barclay's gotten a lot of attention and rightfully so, but he's averaged 4.2 per rush before he gets touched. You know, the two runs against the Rams, the one last one in the snow, he would have scored if they were playing flag football. Nobody's near them. And so the key to them is their offensive line. They're big

physical mallers. And the fact that Jalen Hertz can pull the football and run helps open up the run game even more. So what do you do, you counter that? You know, Kansas City plays a lot of nickel, but I don't think they're going to play so as much nickel. I think Leo Chanel is going to be on the field a little bit more to counter that and try and stop that run. And Steve Spagnola is one of the best, if not the best postseason defensive coordinators we've seen. He comes up with stuff. And I think he's going to come up with something to limit Barkley. Nobody's going to stop Barkley, not with that offensive line. But I think you limit him. And if they limit him, that changes the way the game is played. And if it changes the way the game is played, I think it'll be ultimately be a close game.

My producer apparently had this debate this week with one of his friends is Steve Spagnolo the best defensive coordinator of all time. If you look at what he's done, he stopped that Brady, that Brady New England offense, right? He as the Giants defensive coordinator is the one that solved that riddle. Now Kansas City, week in, week out, seems to have an answer for everyone, including the Buffalo Bills. I don't know. Pete, like, what's the debate? Is it him versus Bill Belichick? you can have other one-season great defensive coordinators,

but Spagnola has like a resume now of multiple entries to make his argument. Yeah, and there are some, you know, great back in the day, the Steelers dynasty's had some great defensive coordinators. You know, Bud Carson was there back at it. I mean, they've had some great ones, but it's hard to argue against what Steve Spagnola has done because he's done it in two spots too. You know, he did it with the Giants and now he's doing it with the Chiefs.

And the only thing that tarnishes his resume is, in fact, he was a head coach. He had a bad team and they weren't very good. He couldn't do anything about it. There wasn't a lot of talent there. And they struggled. So I'm with you. I think he's in the conversation as the greatest defensive coordinator we've seen. And certainly in the conversation for the greatest defensive coordinator in the postseason we've ever seen. Hey, Pete, who do you think, speaking of Spagnola, okay, you pay attention to everything from the NFL draft to the NFL coaching hires. You know, and I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. And I've already gone through the emotional roller coaster of, oh, my God, what are we doing to, hey, I'm a little bit of a

contrarian. Let's see if there's a zig to everyone else's zag. So if everyone hates the hire of Brian Chottnheimer, maybe there's something to the hire of Briden Schotnheimer. But what made me think of this is, before we get into the current coaching hires, who do you think it's got the most unfair shake in terms of, like you just said, Spagnola was a is and was a great defensive coordinator and had a bad team in his chance at head coach? There's got to be other guys who you look at and go, that guy would have been a great head coach if he hadn't been given such or he hadn't accepted such a terrible situation. Like who would you love a do-over on as head coaching candidates?

Well, that's a good question because you go into situations and you think, you know, the guy goes in there and I'll give an example. Brian Flores is going to be a better coach the second time around than he was the first time. And there are other guys that I know have followed closely. like I'll give you another one. Kevin Gilbride went to the Chargers way back in the day, and he tried to be Tom Coughlin. Chris Palmer went to the Browns, and he tried to be Tom Coughlin. You know, and I think Brian Flores went to the Dolphins and tried to be Bill Belichick.

And I think from that standpoint, I think that's why I think some of those guys, they learn. And you're going to look and see guys who learn that you've got to be yourself. And I've actually talked to some of those guys about that. Why would you ever want to be something you're not? And Brian Flores is first and foremost. You're a tough guy. You build the physical brand of football. You don't need to act like Bill Belichick.

Brian Flores from the Bronx, that's where you're from. Breathe that guy. And I think he's going to be the next time. So I think those are the guys that kind of hurt themselves in the grand scheme of things. They try to be something they're not. And so if you're asking that, Brian Flores is one of them. He had some success at Miami. But I think the next time around, he can have big time success because he's going to,

he learned from that that he doesn't have to be Bill Belichick. Well, what I like you, you answered that question based upon which of these guys you think learned from their own failure. I also do wonder, there are some of these guys who get handed a team and they have one terrible season, maybe two, right? They're the short leash guy. Maybe they win one game. Maybe they don't win any games.

Maybe they win two games. But they have a horrible team. and you could argue, well, you're not a good coach if even with a horrible team you can only put together one or two wins. But I do wonder if you don't have a quarterback and you don't have much talent, are there some guys in history

that should have had a second chance based upon circumstances, not just what they learned, but based upon circumstances. And I'm just thinking off the top of my head, I don't know. I mean, Detroit cycled through several of these guys. You know, Cleveland has cycled through several of these guys.

It's actually more on the franchise and whatever it was about that coach. Well, and here's one. I mean, let's just reference recent. I mean, Gerard Mayo was fired in New England after one year. And he didn't have a quarterback right at the gate. They didn't play Drake May. The talent level left behind by that regime was not very good.

The offensive line was terrible. They don't have big play receiver down the field. And you ask him to come in in one year and turn things around. Now, having said that, there were things. things that he did and said that may be turned off the organization as well. We call this team publicly soft. That's not a good look for a head coach. But one year, one single year, and they already decided that he's not the guy. And again, you're 100% accurate. If you go into a building, I don't care if you're a combination of Bill Belichick and Andy Reed, Don

Shula, Bill Walsh. If you don't have a quarterback, you're not winning consistently in the NFL. You're just not. You'll have an aberration season where you can build up the defense, run the ball. The ball bounces your way. And you might have one successful season. You get to the Super Bowl, maybe even win it, but I doubt it. And then it'll fall off because it's not sustainable. The quarterbacks are the sustainable success of your franchise. Right. So then here's a question. Let's say you're Kellynne Moore, offensive coordinator Philadelphia Eagles. And the only coaching opening available to you at this point is the Northern Saints, right? You're probably going to be in a really bad situation, not a great quarterback situation, bad cap situation. You're not set up to succeed.

However, I don't know if you have the luxury of waiting around for a better job. Like, you stick around in Philadelphia, and let's say that next year's offense is not as good as it is this year. Now your coaching cachet has gone down. And it's not as though you get your pick of the litter then. So my point is, these guys often don't have the luxury of going, ah, look at here, the Saints don't have a quarterback, I'm set up to fail, I'll pass. They have to just take these jobs. And you know what? Maybe we'll never know then, therefore, whether or not Kellen Moore is a good head coach.

You're right. It's one of 32. I mean, there are only 32 of them in the world. And if you're offered one of them, it's hard to say no. And you're right, the Saints situation is not great. You look at their cap. It's horrible. They have age creeping in on defense.

There's questions about Derek Carr being a quarterback. But it is one of 32. And sometimes the ship sails. I mean, look at the Texans and their offensive coordinator. He was the hot name last year. And all of a sudden, he gets fired. You're fired. Now he's not a hot name anymore.

So I think you have to look at it from that standpoint. If it's offered to you, you take it. And you think in the back of your mind, I'm so good that I'm going to go in there and I'm to fix this. They might need a year or two, but I'm going to fix this. And if you don't, at least you got your contract for five years. You made all that money. You had a head coach experience and it didn't pass you by. That's what I would do if I was Calamore. I think he probably has to. I think you're right. Bobby Sloak is a great example. He was hot last year. A year later, the Texans fire him. He'll land somewhere, I'm sure, at some point, probably as an offensive coordinator or not as a head

coach. So which do you like the best, Pete? As you look at the coaching hires, which one you like Liam Cohen? I only bring that up as a little bit of a smile on my face because everybody's making fun of Liam Cohen online. I don't know how much you're on X, Pete, but he's like everybody's punching bag. Duval, it was bad. It was very awkward. If you grade coaches on their press conferences and the way they handle themselves in a building, then you'd give out a lot of Fs. I mean, Nick Sariani, remember his? His was terrible. And now he's in his second Super Bowl in three years. So, yeah, I look, Liam Cohen and I know a lot of people inside that building, people close to the whole process. And they said he's entirely different

from the way he was portrayed in that. I mean, he's very sure of himself. His interviews were great. He came across confidently. And I do think he's an offensive, bright offensive mind. So I do think he's got a great situation. He's got to fix the quarterback. You know, not fix them, but get him to playing to the level of being, you know, one of those top 10 guys, which is what he should be. You draft him number one overall. He should be. So I think that's a good situation. I think Mike Brable's got a great situation in large part because he's got cash. He's got skins on the wall. He's been a winner. Now, you didn't win a Super Bowl, but he's been a playoff winner. And now you go back to your own franchise where you played and you have Drake

May. I mean, to me, you know, you look at the Jets job compared to the New England job. The New They're not a better team, but they have Drake May. They can build it around that guy and they have cap room. So I think that one works the best for me. I think Braybill to New England will be the one that I think will work out the best in the long run. But I'm with you on Schottenheimer. And here's why. We have no idea.

You have no earthly idea what a guy's going to be like when he takes over as a head coach. It's one thing to call plays. It's one thing to be a coordinator. It's one thing to be a position coach. But when you take over, you have to allow your coaches to coach and you have to command respect in the room. If you do that, you're going to have success. And I go back, I was talking to guys in Baltimore the other day.

When John Harbaugh was hired, they didn't want him in Baltimore. The fans, they were up in arms, special teams coach. How dare they? Look now. I mean, so we don't know. And I'm with you. I give guys a benefit of the doubt until they prove me otherwise. Well, the only thing, so two questions building off the Cowboys situation that I'm curious where you are.

It's not about Brian Schottenheimer. It's about Jerry Jones. And I just think it's such an odd situation in Dallas. And the name that I kept coming back to, and it's not normally the kind of name I would gravitate towards because, again, I'm contrarian. If the hype is all going one way, I'm like, well, that doesn't make sense. But the one that made sense to me was Dion. I just felt like because everybody thinks it's such a huge clash of personalities, maybe it won't be that Jerry will actually be deferential to the gigantic personality of Dion that he already

has been in the past because you know Jerry likes athletes and that Dion is proven to be a good coach and he commands a room as you just pointed out and I think he would command the media. I actually think that's not an argument for Dion to be the next head coach of the New York Jets And I'm not saying that would work, but I'm saying I think it was a unique potential marriage for Dion and Dallas. And Dion is one of those coaches who lets his coach's coach. So from that standpoint, you're correct. He would have been, see, now I always thought that the problem there was if Dion comes in, Dion takes the show away from Jerry. Jerry's the show. I mean, those press conference after games, when he does them right after games, he's surrounded and they're, you know, they're what, six deep around him. He's the show. Jerry Jones is the show. If Dion comes there, Dion's the show.

And so I think from that standpoint, that was something that, I don't care what they say, they would never admit that, but I think that factors in a little bit as well. But I think Dion would have been an interesting hire. I really do. You know, it's a big leap to go from, you know, Colorado to the NFL and take over the Dallas Cowboys, you know, one of the marquee franchises, if not the marquee franchise in the NFL. but I think Dion would have been able to command the respect in the building. He would have hired, you've got to give him credit. He probably would have hired the right coaches.

Now, he hired an offensive coordinator in Colorado, and he fired him a year later. So it's not like he hired, and that guy ended up being the head coach in San Diego State. So it's not like he just, everything worked. But there is things about Dion that would turn people off. And I think Jerry didn't want the spotlight digging away from him. Do you think Mike McCarthy gets another head coach? job in the NFL? He'll be in the mix next year. It's got to be the right situation. You know, sometimes these guys step away and they realize, you know what, and he's done it

before, but I think when they step away, they realize, you know what, there's more to life than just being a football coach. And I go back to Bill Cower. You know, Bill Cowher walked away and everybody said he was coming back. He never coming back. He's not coming back. So, you know, Mike McCarthy did do it once and he came back, but I think he wanted another opportunity at it. But how do you turn down that money? You know, the money is out of control. These new head coaches are getting $12 million a year. You know, Doug Peterson came back to Jacksonville to get the conjure

because it was, you know, now it sets up the rest of your family for generations. So I'd say, yes, he's going to be in the mix next year. I think somebody might give him another shot. He's a good football coach. And look, a lot of things worked against him in Dallas. Injuries really worked against him. And people point out the situations over the course of time. But, you know, Mike McCarthy's been a good head coach over the years.

So these guys are getting $12 million a year right now in the NFL? Yeah, Ben Johnson supposedly got $13 million, $12 million for Liam Cohn and $11 million for Aaron Glenn, I think, is what I heard. What Bill Belichick get to go to North Carolina? I don't think it was close to that. And I don't know exactly. It wasn't close to them. No, I don't think so.

But some of these college coaches are in the same range, though, like Sarker. Louisiana, Texas, and Kirby, Georgia, they're in that range of $10 million a year, right? The coaching money, I mean, assistant coaches in college football now getting $4 million a year, coordinators, good coordinators. So the money's gotten outranging. So let's go back to Belichick. I would think, Pete, NFL, that's a better life by an order of 10. Like being a head coach in the NFL and getting paid $10 million a year,

is an exponentially better life than making $10 million a year in college football because of the constant recruiting. Now, you have resources under you and they're now putting into place a GM and all that kind of thing at college football, Mike LaBardi for Bill Belichick at North Carolina. But it's a 24-7, 365 days a year job in college football. I mean, I don't know why Belichick did this in which North Carolina. Well, I think a couple reasons.

think there wasn't any options, really a lot of options or any options for him in the NFL, and he kind of got wind of that. Here's the problem of Bill Belichick. If you were hiring Bill Belichick head coach in the NFL, every team would line up that had an opening would line up to hire Bill Belichick. There's no question about that. But Bill Belichick head coach comes along with Bill Belichick personnel guy. And Bill Belichick personnel guy didn't do a great job. In fact, Bill Belichick personnel guy got Bill Belichick coach fired in New England. That's why he fired. And so, yeah, you want him in the building as a coach, but that's not what all you're going to get. You're going to get Bill Belichick who's involved in everything. And that's why I think

teams were reluctant to do it. But you're right about the college game. It used to be a college job was better than an NFL job, not for the money reasons, but for the lifestyle reasons. You know, NFL was basically year-round. Well, now college multiply it. It's even worse. And that's why you're looking at these college coaches who sometimes eye the NFL because the college job is so it's year round nil visits you know the whole deal transfer portal this guy stay and how do you keep this guy from going and and i think college has a real problem with that but so bill belchuk why did he take it and go to that it was the only thing that he thought maybe was out there two he's setting up his son his son's now in there as a defensive coordinator is he you know you hear rumblings that he's the

coach in waiting at North Carolina. So maybe he goes there for a couple years and then the sun takes over. So, and it's also a challenge. It's different. You know, he's not the same Bill Belichick. You know, maybe he likes to get out and recruiting. You saw him on all the TV networks. He was different.

He wasn't the same guy. And so I think maybe it's more of a challenge for him from that standpoint. But I think ideally, Will, he would rather be in the NFL. God bless him. I don't know how old you are, P. But I hope I'm looking for a challenge at age 70, whatever Bill Belichick is. That's 70. Don't rush that on me.

I don't know. No, I'm not suggesting you are, but I'm saying for him to have that competitive ambition at age 72. Forget that. That was too, too, that was too many words. To have that energy at 72, I think, right? Is that what he is? God bless him, man.

Look at Andy Reid. Andy Reid, 66 are going to be 67. He's still coaching. And I think he can coach for another, if he coaches, Yeah, but I'm talking about starting over, Pete. I'm not talking about keeping the train going with Patrick Mahomes. I'm talking about starting over a brand new project at 72. And he's taking on several.

Look at his girlfriend. He's got a lot of new projects, Pete. And I think that has something to do with it, too, by the way. But here's the other thing, though. What do you do? And I always have my, God bless my dad, he's 89. And he tried retirement one year, over Christmas holidays. And he called me up and he said,

What the hell do you do? You know, and he, you know, you really, and everybody goes, oh, when you play golf, my dad, you know, my dad said, he said, oh, your golf and buddies are dead by the time you're ready to spend the weeks playing golf, you know, it's like, what do you got to have something to get out of bed for, you know, you really do. 100%. I just something. You have to have something. So maybe this is Bill Belichick something. You die. That's the answer.

You die, to be honest. Bear Bryant. Fair Bryant, right? he died a couple weeks right after he retired a couple weeks yeah yeah yeah you got to have purpose yeah we tell ourselves we'd travel and you will for a while and then you get tired of that and you got to have a reason to get out of bed like you said one more little stop on our detour away from the super bowl um have you dove in yet to the NFL draft I don't know where you are but I know you yeah you're always a guy that I read and I'm curious at this point I've been playing

paying a little bit of attention this week to the what is it this week east-west shrine i was invited it's here in dallas i've been sick the shrine bowl was in dallas and then the senior bowl is also in mobile like it always is this week that's what that's right so i've been so i actually don't know which one i've been reading the updates from but and i haven't dove deep pete but it's it's washed over me that the number of guys who haven't actually looked that good uh specifically quarterbacks that the reviews on some of these quarterbacks weren't glowing. And I saw, for example, like Quinn Ewers, who I've watched really closely, because I'm a Longhorn fan.

And my suspicion was he'd probably be a fourth or fifth round pick. Might actually go a lot higher because the guys ahead of him aren't blowing people away. I'm just curious where you think the quarterbacks are going to shake out coming up here in April. It's not a great class. By the way, you're a Longhorn fan. I'm a Sun Devil. I actually went to the game in Atlanta. Boy, oh boy.

Had it was fourth and 13. Fourth and 13, what are they doing? They blitzed them in that play. What do we do? Oh, my God. I got to tell you, though, okay, before we move on, then, your guy felt unstoppable, Scadabo. And I talked to a big time coach.

I'm going to tell you, Pete, since then, after that game, I've talked to a big time coach. His name will remain anonymous, college and pro. And I asked about Scatibo, and he goes, no, not NFL. And I said, really? He said, just not fast enough, not big enough. And I'm like, he's a late round pick. Unstoppable.

Yeah, he's a late round pick. Really? I think he's a later round pick. Yeah, but again, Matthew Golden, going to be a great player in the NFL. I hate you. I hate you. But, you know, Quinn Ewer's is an interesting evaluation because you hear a lot of differing opinions on him. And from what I was told, he played all year with a bad oblique muscle that he fought through.

and a high ankle sprain. And I think it impacted his ability to drive the ball. And you're a big Texas fan. You see this. He didn't drive the ball down the field as much as he did the year before. It wasn't the same. So I think that's going to be something the NFL teams look at going forward about him. There's a lot to like about him.

But I don't think he's a, you know, he's a second, third, fourth round pick somewhere in there depending on how he can play out the process. The quarterback group isn't great. And everybody likes to sit here and say, oh, there's a lot of guys in there. I'm not enamored with this class at all. I just, usually there's one or two guys you go, wow. And there aren't in this class. I like Shador Sanders.

I like Cam Ward. I think Jackson Darts intriguing, but he played that wide open offense. Makes it easy on the quarterback, so you've got to do more work on them. But this is not, you know, the McCord kid up at Syracuse who was at Ohio State. He's an interesting guy, maybe the second or third round. But it's not the, oh, my gosh, what a great quarterback. that class that it's been in the past. I will caution you on one thing about All-Star games. Coming out of the Senior Bowl last year, Bo Nix and Michael Pennix were getting panned at that game.

They didn't look great during the week of practices and at the game. And a lot of people said, oh, let's hold off on those guys. So you've got to be careful on the All-Star game evaluations. And I usually am one that doesn't put a lot of stock into them. I'll watch the practice tape. I'll see if guys do well in the physical side of things. But you've got to be careful with those. but I'm with you. This quarterback class is not really sitting well with a lot of people. I think it's just okay, but they're going to get overdrafted like they always do. One or two of them will be good, and two or three of them will be out now bust. That's just the reality of it.

I don't know about Michael Pinnock's, but Bo Nix is so fascinating. I mean, I don't know how he was not good in those All-Star games. He was a pretty good college quarterback, but certainly not somebody you were like, oh, my God, we got to play Bo Nix this week. And now all of a sudden, you know, Sean Payton looks like he's developed him into a legit, good NFL quarterback. You know what it's like, though, if you ever played pickup basketball, there's always a guy that's supposed to be good. They play freewheel and pick up basketball and somehow it doesn't fit him. You know, he just, he's a guy that can, in the structure of an offense, he's going to look great.

He's going to, you know, pick and roll and get the ball, pop out and hit his jumper and go to the basket and, feed a teammate, but in the free-flowing game of pick-up basketball, he's not that guy. He's not, you know, rimming it and getting there and dunk in it and backward, you know. And so I think that's what Bo Nix is. In the structure of an offense, he's perfect. In Sean Payton's offense, he's perfect. But when you got to play kind of a free-flowing, all-star game type week where you're just picking it up on the fly, I don't think that caters to his strengths as a quarterback.

and I think that's the biggest difference. Interesting, interesting. Okay, now let's land this plane back at the Super Bowl. I don't know that I heard your complete conclusion. So the Eagles are the better team in every position, basically, except for quarterback and at head coach. But we both agree, if it comes down to the final possession, it's a no-brainer.

Why would you ever pick against Patrick Mahomes? So the question is, can that offensive line manhandle Kansas City so that Sequin Barclay continues to maraud through teams like he has, and can the Eagles defense do anything to slow down Patrick Mahomes to the point at which you have a 10-point lead with three, four minutes left in the game? Do you think that Philadelphia can pull that off in the Super Bowl? I don't. I don't think they can.

As good as they've been on the offensive line, as good as they've been running the ball, I think Spaggno is going to come up with something. And there's always the X factor when you play the Chiefs, and that's Chris Jones. he's a game wrecker he can wreck it in the run game he can wreck it when you throw it he's just a game record i think those are the kind of guys that show up and you look at the chiefs in the big moments we know about mahomes chris jones kelsey they always show up at the big moments

you know kelsey'll sit himself in his middle of his own somewhere on a third and eleven and he had a catch for 15 yards and he hasn't been great this year at times he looked like he lost his step but it's a big moment he's going to show up chris jones is is going to show up, Mahomes will show up. And I think that's the difference. I think those guys elevate in the big moments. I think they'll elevate. And it wouldn't surprise me to see Chris Jones have one of those games where you just talk about them constantly. They move them around. He'll go outside. They'll go inside. They'll attack with him over whoever he wants to attack with. Now, the flip side is Jalen Carter has that ability on the other side. And so, but the strength of the

Chiefs offensive line or, you know, Creed Humphrey Smith, you know, the left guard, depending on how they play at the Tune moved outside of tackle. So Caliando plays left guard. That might be where they put Carter and let him attack a little bit. So I do think that there's, the stars elevate for the Chiefs at the right time. And I think that's what you're going to get. Real quick, before we go, Pete, who is Josh Allen? Like historically, you're just a perfect guy to ask this, too, so I have to ask this the way out. Like, at this point, He's one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFL, maybe top two, and he can't get over Patrick Mahomes.

So I'm just thinking of the historical parallel. Like, who was the NFC quarterback that couldn't get over Joe Montana, and would have had a different legacy but for Joe Montana? We're talking about Carl Malone, Charles Barkley. This is who Josh Allen is becoming, right? And I'm trying to think of the NFL court. Is there an NFL corollary besides Carl, Carl Malone and Charles Barkley? I'm trying to think.

But I always use the NBA. It's Barclay. It's Ballone. It's stocked in. It's, you know, anybody who Michael Jordan took down in their path, you know, and Gary Payton. I mean, all those, it's truly, truly great players, but they couldn't get past the king. And that's what Josh Allen is. He's a truly, truly, truly great.

And think about, they've given up, in the four losses to the Chiefs, they've averaged, given up 34 points, I think, in those games. It's not him. He's been good in those games. It's just that the moment it can't get it done. And look, they had a bad play call the other day on fourth down. Third down, by the way, should have been a touchdown. Remember he threw the quick screen to Amari Cooper. He kind of stumbled and then Carlathus came down the line of tackle. When you watch that play on tape, that's a touchdown. He's going to the hell or at least getting 50 yards on it. And so they had the right call on that. play and on the last play they had the wrong call and sometimes they did one coach just out does the other coach and that's exactly what happened and he still made a play on it kincaid should have caught the ball he is those players and i said it all year he's barclay he's he's malone he's gary peyton you know pat youing whoever whoever jordan took down in his path that's who he is that's i want to do that next time we're together p all the best players who never got to claim it

because of some legend like Jordan or Mahomes, and all the head coaches that deserve a rewrite in history or at least an asterisk. You were good, we know. You just had a crap team in your one or two seasons in the NFL. It's Pete Priscoe. He's NFL column. The senior NFL columns at CBSSports.com.

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and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community. and across the world. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast.com. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Pete Prisco. Make sure you check him out at CBS Sports. During that interview, the guys back in New York jumped into my ear, and we're trying to suggest to me,

hey, it's Dan Marino. Two days, when I'm thinking about Josh Allen and who he is historically, you wanted me to say Dan Marino, I didn't take your cue in my ear because I don't think that's right. I don't think so I think you're young

all of you guys are young Marino was great but his story is not the same as Josh Allen Why? Marino went to a Super Bowl Well he went to a Super Bowl And he lost

That was his rookie year And He did run into John Elway But he ran into several roadblocks Along the way It wasn't consistently And exclusively John Elway that he couldn't get over

And John Elway also wasn't then known as the Michael Jordan of the NFL. Elway was going on after that and losing in the Super Bowl to Montana, you know, or to Phil Sims or whoever it may be. Elway was a guy that also couldn't get over the hump until 1997 when he had Terrell Davis.

You know, he had a similar story to Jim Kelly. Elway did. So Marino's story doesn't remind me of Josh Allen and I just can't find the NFL corollary. It truly is Carl Malone and Charles Barkley. For me, right now, it's in the NBA. Is Marino the best? best quarterback to never win.

Yeah, you could definitely make that argument. Yeah. Yes. Before Alex Rodriguez got his first ring in 2009, he used to get a lot of comparisons to Dan Marino because they were both Miami guys. Aeron put up insane numbers every year, but was kind of known as a locker room cancer

and just not a winner. I don't think that applies to Allen or Marino. Do you think Alan will win baseball too? I've never heard that Marino or Allen, for example. sample are lockering cancers. And I don't know if that narrative is still there for Arod. I don't really know. Arod's public image has gone through so many different iterations that it's hard to keep up

with what he is. Do a full episode on that? I said, do we think Josh Allen's going to get one? Do you think he'll get there with Buffalo? I mean, he's a great quarterback. They've got a great team. What happens? Exactly.

So everything says yes. Except for this. I think that what I'm getting at, and I know, you know, Patrick is attempting to convince himself the other side of this argument right now, that it's the refs that are helping or the Philadelphia might actually have a chance. We are actually, we're living in Jordan times. This is Jordan times. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, I do believe is Michael Jordan.

We're just in the middle of it. It's not yet solidified. And you've got to recognize it while it's happening. Now, a lot of things can still happen like injury or whatever it may be that derail that. But we're certainly on the path right now of seeing the greatest of all time at his prime dominate his sport. And make no mistake, he is dominating this sport. Since he came into the NFL, his absolute worst season is losing in the AFC championship game. Brady.

And you guys heard that stat. You guys heard that stat. I'm a huge Brady fan. You're just a New England homer and you're going to try to protect that legacy until the very end. He lost a Brady in that year. Yeah, that's fine. Just make sure. And I don't have him over Brady.

I don't have him over Brady yet. But it's like watching two NASCAR. I used to do this on ESPN and people hated it. It's like watching two NASCARs, right? Like I can acknowledge that one car is in front of the other, but the one behind is accelerating. And I can acknowledge that the one behind is on pace to pass the other unless something changes.

But you're living right now with Michael Jordan. I watched the season. I watched the Chiefs play in Mahomes, and he doesn't stand out like Jordan did. When he watched Jordan, your head exploded. And I'm watching games. Is he top five quarterback this year in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes? Or did they just win? Well, I think.

But they've gotten to that LeBron point where it's like they just kind of cruise through the regular season. And then the playoff comes and like, you're not touching them. I know. But like, he just doesn't flash. I don't think you have to be. Well, first of all, okay, there's two responses to that. he certainly flashes as compared to Brady. Like, you have to acknowledge the way,

I'm not saying it's better or worse. Like, I very much respect the way Brady played the game. Do your job. But come on, man. You know that Patrick Mahomes has a flash and Superman quality to him that you can see when he plays. And maybe it was less this year because they don't have to as much. But come on, man.

You're telling me you don't see that when Patrick Mahomes plays? A few plays. But then again, he's kind of a game manager at other times. I hate Patrick Mahomes. I hate the Chiefs, but I think you're wrong there, too. No one has ever accused him of being a game manager. I'm trying to speak as Patrick here. Don't back down.

Don't back down. It's the worst. Hold your position. Hold. My point is I just watch the season with the Chiefs, and I just wasn't blown. away. I have been blown away by the Chiefs in the past and Patrick Mahomes I always played but this year to talk about like he's

in his Jordan years is just like he's still winning it's not Wizards Jordan but you know it just doesn't stand out to me like it was maybe two years. But when he has to two a days that's fine but you're holding him to the Patrick Mahomes standard that's always unfair when you hold a great

against his own standard and what I would say also is you heard that stat I shared with Pete like when it matters seven for seven drives to tie or win the game when you have to score with a minute left to go. Which Brady was great at too. And I told you Brady was in that stat.

Brady was great and he was 50%. Mahomes is 100%. That's wild. 100%. He was there more though. Brady's out of like 30. Well, it's 12 to 7. Yeah. Brady was 5 of 12 in the same scenarios.

Mahomes 7 of 7. So here's a question for you. All of you, be honest, if the Super Bowl comes down to a minute and Patrick Mahomes has the ball, do you really think the Chiefs are going to lose? No. I think it's long past time that Carter on that Eagles defensive line, like in the Super Bowl against the Patriots 52. You know, the Pats were down five points, two minutes left. Brady had the ball and everyone's like, up, here we go again.

And then the right guard, Shaq Mason just blew his assignment. Brady got crushed fumble. I think that's the way this Super Bowl ends, similar to how the Eagles got to the last round. So yes or no. I'm not I can't remember the question that was asked but Eagles win on a Mahomes He just had some Right

Go ahead tinfoil No no I mean I don't bet against them I said that the chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl At the beginning of the year And you know Because They just win everything So I don't really have any faith that they won't

I'm not going to bet against them ever But No you are I will say that, like, you know, as far as that NASCAR analogy, you got to be careful because, like, Brady, when he started out, he won three out of four at the beginning of his career, you know, it took him a while to get the rest on the back end. Nine years, you know, in between three and four. So, like, what happens if Andy Reid retires or Steve Spagnola leaves and goes to somewhere else?

I mean, like, those things could change for him, and, you know, it could completely change everything. I think that... That's fair. I think Mahomes is a great talent, but in a different situation, things might not be the same. Does he also have the same longevity as a guy like Brady? Because Brady is just a true pocket prasser.

And what he has... And the weapons he has around them, too. I mean, do those change? Does he have enough? Will he have enough? One needs to go away for them to kind of drop off a little bit. They have a better... They've got this year than they've ever had. Xavier worthy? I mean, is Dan Pacheco? They don't have a better receiving.

What are you talking about? Xavier Worthy is the Tyree Kill of this year. They've been injured a lot this year. But now everyone's back. They have Hopkins. They have Worthy. They have Hollywood Brown. I mean, like,

the receiving course. Yeah. But it's. I mean, it doesn't compare to when they had Tyreek Hill. No. That's true. But he's one, he's...

This is arguably the worst weapons he's ever had. I would, that's what I'm saying. Outside of last year. This is kind of his worst team he's had around him. I don't think so. I think last year was, worse. Really?

I mean, it is. Travis Kelsey played out of his mind last year. This Brady comparison is never going to go away because there were seasons where Brady's best receivers were like a 37-year-old Dion Branch. No doubt. Tyreek Tompkins. No, you can't accuse of Brady of being surrounded by. Tom Brady shows.

Every year. You think we're glazing Tom Brady too much? Two days. I think James is glazing Tom Brady too much. He just keeps bringing up the Patriots of old every time we talk about it. I know. I feel bad because that's like what I know. Is he trying to get him on the show for next week?

Is that it? It's not just what you know. It's just like there's a reliable instinct that you're always going to bring up Brady if we have to talk about Mahomes. And we know that undergirding tinfoils conversation is he's just holding it back. He wants to say the referees are rigging it for the chiefs.

Like I could literally hear himself holding it back in that diatribe. I could literally hear it. So it's not what you know. It's both of your psychology that we're dealing with here. All right. Well, we've got another week to break this down, and we will be in New Orleans next week

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