Will Cain Country - President-elect Trump's Nominees Ace Confirmation Hearings, And President Biden Says "Farewell" (ft. Senator Tommy Tuberville)

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

Story #1: A live look in and reactions to the confirmation hearings of Attorney General nominee Pam Bondi, Secretary of State nominee Marco Rubio, and Secretary of Transportation nominee Sean Duffy.�� Story #2: Behind the scenes of the confirmation hearing of Secretary of Defense nominee Pete Hegseth with Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), revisiting some of the more entertaining moments of the hearing. Story #3: The 'Lunch Break Panel' dives into the farewell letter from President Joe Biden. Will is joined by National Review Staff Writer, Caroline Downey and Author of ‘Sex and the Citizen,' Conn Carroll. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, live look-in and reaction to the confirmation hearings of Attorney General nominee Pam Bondi, Secretary of Transportation nominee Sean Duffy, and Secretary of State nominee Marco Rubio. Two, as we speak today, and not to focus too exclusively on myself, but at the University of Texas, They are fighting to keep their football players. But that's happening everywhere in college football. So let's discuss the disruptive nature of NIL and the confirmation hearing of Pete Hegseth with Senator Tommy Tupperville. And three, our lunch break panel dives into the farewell letter from Joe Biden.

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will begin to air at 4 o'clock on the Fox News Channel. It will be an experiment, a process, much like I think is how you arrive at the truth, a process together launching on the Fox News Channel, the Will Cain Show. Just looking through my phone here, fellas, the FDA has just announced they are doing away with red dye number three. Now, the image that's accompanying the news articles on this announcement is of soda, and I see, and it's not labeled, it's glass bottles of sparkly red soda. And I immediately, my head goes directly to Big Red. Now, listen, I don't drink Big Red. That's not like in my, I'm not a big soda guy, period.

The occasional Dr. Pepper, the occasional diet, Dr. Pepper, the occasional Diet Dr. Pepper, the occasional Diet Coke. But I just like knowing that Big Red exists. It's like one of those things that, you know, it feels kind of southern, and it feels like an extreme indulgence. And you just, every once in a while, you want to have the option of a Big Red. But I'm searching. It's under no threat. Big Red uses something like It's called Red Die 40

So what's in Red Die 3 I don't know But it's a lot of products Like Double Bubble has it Fruit by the Foot Little Bites Hostess Ding Dongs Nestle's Strawberry milk

I see Ringpop Yeah So why is Why is 40 staying And 3 is going Probably All I read is right now It's Red Die 3

Which in it It's a petroleum-based food coloring, that apparently, according to studies, going back to the 1980s, has links to cancer. Great. And, of course, I don't know what this means about Robert F. Cooney Jr. I don't know if this is under his influence, even his just cultural influence, or his potential incoming at HHS. But this is fascinating.

I wonder if Swedish fish have red dye. What about? I'm a big Swedish fish. Mountain Dew Code Red, I'm assuming. A lot of these two, the list for Reddye 40. is actually a lot longer. When I broke down the list for 3 versus 40, the 40 one seems to be

stuff that's in everyday, that's sweetest fish, 40s and Twizzlers, M&Ms, Starburst, Skittles, line punch. Okay, so it's not complete Armageddon for the red dye world on candy and Coke, but it is a rollback for anything that had red dye three. By the way, speaking of dye, one of the things I'm excited about here

with the launch of the Will Kane show is that I will have an hour and there's going to be a lot of details to work out and in a process like I mentioned about the launch of our show physically, studio space, where we're going to be, this show will be coming to you from Texas, from Dallas. But it's going to take some time

to engineer our studio exactly the way we want it and the way that we want it. And when I say we, it's not just me and the boys. I mean, Fox. The way we want it, it's going to be very different than the way it's done the rest of Fox. But one of the things like I want to, I'm going to be paying attention to is lighting. So here's what I'm telling you fellas. I'm tying this in to red dye. I was on

waters last night talking about the confirmation hearing of Pete Exe. Do you want to know what the first comment was? The first one I opened my phone and looked at X. So you look tan. The first comment, I bet you can guess. But you look tan. Did I look? No, not that I looked tan. Oh. You died your hair. It's the same thing I get all. You died your hair? Yeah. Why do you You dye your hair. Because he does. People like, hey man, and this isn't even a question anymore. This was the nature of last night.

Hey, man, you got to stop dye in your hair. It looks like you're using black shoe polish. You have to stop. I don't die, nor have I ever dyed my hair. Can I say something and you can't... You can't get mad at me? Of course. It's the Will Kane show.

Yeah, you can't get mad of me. So we saw you in person yesterday. I saw some gray fleck. in there in person. Oh, yeah, like, I kind of here. 100%. In your hair. So I can confirm you don't die.

Yeah. I got gray's here. They're coming here, right? You get a haircut? I've got them on the sideburn. They're coming along the side. I didn't. And it's actually, to your point, Dan, it's coming right it through here, too.

There's like little speckles, even on top. Just a little speckles. And I don't begrudge the dude that dyes his hair or his beard. I don't. I don't have a hot take on that. you should probably consider the quality of your die job. But I just don't. And so it's like accusing me, like, I used to make this joke, you know,

when you start a fire, you know how you put a Dura Flame log sometimes in the fire and that gets your fire going a little bit extra and a little faster. I don't begrudge dudes who use Dura Flames in their life, you know, whatever it needs to get your fire started, you know? And I don't, and I mean that in all applications. I mean it. Skin care. the one you guys are giggling about, all applications.

But I just don't want to be accused of it if I'm not. I'll be honest with you when I'm using a Dura Flame. But I'm not, I don't want to own Dura Flames that I'm not using to start my fire. So no hair dye, that will be proven on the Will Kane show. We've got a big show coming up for you today. We've got Senator Tommy Tuberville coming in. I want to talk to him, and I think you guys should give him the heads up, although he's always prepared. I want to talk to him for a minute about college football.

It's not the news today. We're going to talk about the confirmation hearing of Pete Hegg said. But right now in college football, the transfer... portal is open in aisle bidding is out of control i'm seeing it firsthand as a big fan of the texas longhorns something has to be done or we're going to look up in just a few years and college football will be essentially over armageddon uh but we're also going to talk about and review some of yesterday in the confirmation hearing of pete heggsette but that that is taking place right now more hearings today tomorrow next week including today pam bondie sean duffy

Marco Rubio. Let's get to that with story number one. Right now on Capitol Hill, Marco Rubio is facing senators as a nominee for Secretary of State. Pam Bondi as the nominee for Attorney General. And Sean Duffy, my friend, owning all loss of objectivity, my friend as the nominee of Secretary of Transportation. We do have a couple of those hearings that we can share. I believe one of them just ended as we started to dip in. But I believe that some of them are still ongoing, unless they are breaking for lunch. Two days, do we still have any of those three hearings, Bondi, Duffy, Rubio that are ongoing right now? Duffy's still going. Bondi and Rubio just adjourned, I think, for now. So this is Duffy.

Let's take a live listen to Sean Duffy. And again, we're smaller populations. One of the balances that I think I'll have to make with this committee is the amount of dollars it costs a connect rural communities, whether it's, you know, through rail, maybe there's other better options. Maybe it's, you know, buses or other forms of transportation. But I would welcome the chance to work with you to figure out pathways in which we can make sure our communities get connected to the arteries of this country that connect everybody. Yeah, I want to make sure also to follow up on Senator Kim's point. We talked a little bit about Amtrak and you actually shared that you've had great trips on Amtrak.

I want to make sure that Amtrak and I don't know, is that great. Yes, you did. I wrote, I want this on the record. You see, I put this on the record. Great trips on Amtrak. Beautiful. But I want to make sure that we continue to support that rail because it's so vital.

And then the last thing, a lot of people have talked about the pilot shortage. And this is something we didn't talk about in our conversation. But I'd love to follow up with you. Delaware State University, our HBC, has the first probably program in the country that is an aviation program, and we are growing pilots, helicopter pilots, as well as airplanes. So I would love to follow up with you on the efforts that Delaware State University is making in partnership with the private sector, with the public

sector, as well as a model for the rest of the nation. I would welcome that. And I just, I think this is a great industry to get into, a great career path. And I think we have to do a better job of incentivizing young Americans to consider aviation as a career. So I'd love to follow up and speak with you on that. Thank you, Senator. Thank you. Are you back? So that's a little bit from the hearing of Sean Duffy, your nominee for Secretary of Transportation.

I was somebody who was a passenger in the aviation industry this morning. I flew back from New York to Dallas. So I haven't been able to be completely plugged in on all the various hearings. But I have had my team on it, my crack team of. Two a Days, Dan, Young Establishment James, and Tinfoil Pat, monitoring these hearings. One of the big takeaways is, first of all, it's no surprise that Sean Duffy would do very well. It's just not a surprise. Of course, he has experience, not unlike Pete Hegseth in television, he has experience in politics,

he has experience communicating and presenting his ideas. That's obvious to you, and that's nothing unique for me to share with you about Sean Duffy. What I can also share with you about Duffy is of all the people that I know, and I don't I just want to say this within TV. Man, Sean is such a guy about preparation and professionalism. And by the way, collegiality, as you can see displayed there, Sean knows what he's talking about when he goes in. I guarantee you, whatever went into this hearing,

Sean is prepared and has studied deeply over the past couple of months the Department of Transportation and comes into it with values knowing where that department has failed in the past, East Palestine, Ohio, Lahaina Maui, what the role can be for transportation in North Carolina, clearing airspace for civilian pilots that want to step in in the midst of a disaster. Same thing could be applied to Maui, Hawaii. Sean comes at it with the right values, and I know that he pairs that with the same preparation to ace that hearing in the same vein as Pete Hegg said. All of these hearings, from what I'm hearing, certainly with Duffy and with Rubio,

and I haven't got to see quite as much today from Pam Bondi, have a decidedly different tone in nature from what we saw yesterday with Pete Heggseth. So let me give you a couple of takeaways from the combination of seeing these on back-to-back days, the confirmation hearing for Pete Heggseth, the confirmation hearing for, for example, Senator Marco Rubio to Secretary of State.

The tone is totally different. what these senators from a democratic side of the aisle are doing today are asking questions getting to know and boring into the ideas and policies of these potential nominees of these potential secretaries what they did yesterday is put on a show and used as a prop pete haggsett you can see the tonal difference maisie horono wasn't interested in answers from questions for pete higsett was another senator i can't remember which one it was asked pete hey have you ever had any experience at all, at any level of your career with innovation. And he had a ready answer talking about how concerned veterans for America they had forwarded policy that helped change the way we deal with American vets. And he was cut off. Once he started to answer that a question adeptly, the senator lost interest showing you that the question wasn't one in search of an answer. It was a performance, buffoons and clowns on a stage doing a dance with you as their audience.

It's decidedly different when they don't think the show, when the curtains are withdrawn and the spotlight shown, and they're taking the stage for the show of Senator Marco Rubio, of Sean Duffy, of Pam Bondi. What they didn't perhaps anticipate is that Pete Hegseft is one hell of an opening act, one hell of a lead-off. And I don't even think those two analogies,

are quite spot on. What I think Pete Hegseth became yesterday for Donald Trump was an icebreaker. You ever seen those ice breakers that come for and through the Arctic or the Antarctic, you know, when you reach the ice shelf, but you're not yet fully hitting ground in Antarctica. You've got to break through the ice shelf. I read a lot of books about guys like Ernest Shackleton, and I've read about Arctic, Shackleton being an Antarctic, but Arctic Explorers, Kingdom of Ice. Great book. Hampton Sides. And breaking through ice is a big part of it. You have to build a spurt and kind of ship that breaks through the ice.

You know, steel reinforced hull. Boy, was that a steel reinforced hole boring yesterday through the Senate Armed Services Committee. Hegseff handled that so well. He so, with their own efforts, diminished the Democratic senators, appeared as the adult in the room, big when they were small, of a different quality and caliber, yes, I will say this, of human being than the ones that would dare, not question, but perform before him, that he probably made the nomination process easier for every single one of Donald Trump's nominees.

What more political has an article up right now saying, what a strategic mistake Democrats made by never pivoting away from Pete Hegg said for a month more. They have been almost solely focused on Pete. You notice like Tulsi Gabbard, back page. You know, Cash Patel, no discussion. Any other nominee that might otherwise be controversial for Democrats has received no attention because it's all been solely focused on a failed effort to take down Pete Hegset. My man, my buddy, my colleague, the icebreaker, took all of the arrows at his armor.

And they fell to the ground. Now what's left in the quiver for Tulsi Gabbard or Cassie. Patel. Pete Hegg said yesterday was the ice baker for Donald Trump. I want to review some of the more humorous clips yesterday, courtesy of Pete, Elizabeth Warren, Tim Sheehe, Mark Wayne Mullen. And I want to get into what's happening. Why are we seeing, unless somebody like my next guest steps in, are we seeing really the demise of college football? Senator Tommy Tuberville next. on The Will Cain Show. For a limited time at McDonald's,

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a farewell letter. I actually want to go through it line by line, but two paragraphs of particular interest that I think are worthy of a deeper analysis. We're going to get to that with my lunch break panel. Coming up in just a little bit here on the Will Kane show. But Senator Tommy Tuberville from the great state of Alabama was once the head coach at the Cincinnati University of Cincinnati Bearcats,

the Texas Tech Red Raiders, the Auburn Tigers, and I probably missed something in there, coach. When you get as high as you, did, which at one point was an undefeated season, there's a few more stops along the way, coach, right? Yeah, I was at Miami and Texas A&M and head coach at Ole Miss. I made a few stops, Will. Oh, I forgot about Ole Miss.

Yes, it's just your resume is so long, Coach, is sometimes I can't fit them all into my memory to spit them all out at once. I want to talk to you about college football in just a minute. I kind of woke up this morning reading about it, Coach, and you and I've talked about it in the past. But let's pick up with where you left off yesterday. You were in the confirmation hearings with the rest of the Senate Armed Services Committee for the hearing on nominee to Secretary of Defense Pete Heggseth.

I just love first your just overall top-line thoughts. Home run. He set the tone, Will, for all these other hearings that are going to happen for the next week or so. This obviously was the one that they desperately wanted to be. block. They felt like they had some help on the Republican side. If Pete doesn't get, or general, I'm going to call him general now. General doesn't get every vote from Republicans. They either get, they just, they weren't going to vote for him anyway, because he absolutely showed passion. He showed motivation. He showed experience. They had a game plan, but he put them back

in their seat on every question. I thought he handled it well. Again, it's about a passion of doing what you want to do, and he's very passionate about it. You know, Coach, I said that. There's a lot of praise for Pete's performance. I don't think it is a performance. In a way, it's always a performance, you know,

in a way, what I'm doing now, what you're doing now is a performance. But it's less of a performance, and it's easier when you believe what you're saying, and you know why you believe it. And that guy, coach, and you've gotten to know him, same guy that I know. that I sat with for five years that I've known for over a decade of my life. I mean, it's just no surprise.

He's principled in all these beliefs. And so, I mean, throw what you want. I bet he wasn't afraid of any question. Throw the junk ball, the spitter, the slider, the change up, throw the heat, throw everything you got. I can hit every pitch in that arsenal because I know why I believe what I believe. By way, we should tell the audience why you called him general. Here's a moment from yesterday's hearing. You're quite sure that every general who serves should not.

go directly into the defense industry for 10 years. You're not willing to make that same pledge? I'm not a general, Senator. Certainly not sauce for the candor. I would want to see what the policy of the president is. Oh, I'll bet you would. Thank you, Senator Warren. Senator Tuberville. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank for your hard work and your committees. Hard work, Mr. Chairman. This has this has gone well. I'd like to submit this letter topic conduct at vets for freedom for hexeth i'd like to smit that for the record please without objection general hexeth i mean mr hexet uh thank it was a funny it you know what the it had moments i mean of levity yeah well the the the

big thing about it is that's five hours that's five hours that's five or the setting there, not going to the restroom, not having really any water. I mean, all the tension is there. He handled it perfectly. And again, that's what it's going to take to do the job. He's getting ready to step into, hopefully. And again, he's going to have some good people around him. He's a good coaching staff, as I call it.

As a matter of fact, I'm meeting today with the possible future Secretary of Defense is his number two man. And it's all coming together. Again, Pete, we are in trouble, okay? Our country is in bad trouble. The world is in trouble, and we have to restore our military. We've got some good people, but it's going the right direction. We have the wrong values.

We have the wrong game plan. And Pete basically brought in yesterday. This is what we're going to do. This is how we're going to do it. And my goodness, that's as good a hearing as I've been in in four years since I've been here. Well, it's about as good as I've ever seen, to be honest. I know I'm biased, but it was just, as you said, a home run. I thought this was another really good moment from one of your colleagues from Oklahoma.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen really tore into the hypocrisy sitting on that panel. Everybody that wanted to dig into Pete Higgsett's mistakes and personal lives. Let's watch this together. Senator Kane, or I guess I better use the senator from Virginia, it starts bringing up the fact that what if you showed up drunk to your job? How many senators have showed up drunk to vote at night? Have any of you guys asked them to see? step down and resign for their job? And don't tell me you haven't seen it because I know you have.

And then how many senators do you know have got a divorce before cheating on their wives? Did you ask them to step down? No. But it's for show. You guys make sure you make a big show and point out the hypocrisy because the man's made a mistake. And you want to sit there and say that he's not qualified? Give me a joke. It is so ridiculous that you guys hold your yourself as this higher standard. You forget you've got a big plank in your eye. You know, Senator, I don't know if you have a return right now on the Will Cain show. And if anybody's listening on radio or Spotify or Apple, your face, because you're in the background sitting right next to Senator Mullen, your face is a play. It's its own one-act play

right there as you listen to him tear in. Yeah, I was, uh, Mark Wayne is, he always, he cuts through the fat, so to speak, as we say in the South. I mean, he doesn't hold anything back. And what Senator Kane did was wrong. I mean, you don't go after somebody person. Keep going, keep going, keep going, ask him a question and get on with it. I mean, that's what a hearing's about. But their game plan was to just challenge Pete about everything other than the military. They wanted to bring him down. They thought they could get possibly some other women to vote against him because of some of the comments he said about women in combat, which is exactly right, by the way. At the end of the day, you know, everything aside, it was, he couldn't have done any

better. It could not done any better than how he answered the questions and handled the Democrats. And again, I want to say this too, Will. I've been in many, many of these hearings. He had more people there in support of him. It was just unbelievable. I went to a press conference the day before. We couldn't get the Navy SEALs that he had there representing him and supporting him. We couldn't get them all in the room. I mean, I'm thinking, holy cow, I've never seen anything like this. He got an ovation when he walked into the chamber for his hearing. That doesn't happen. It doesn't happen at all. So it was a great day. And again, a great start for all these confirmations. I know those guys, Senator. I know Bill Brown, all those Navy SEALs, Jeff

gum kajlarson all those guys uh who were there and i and i appreciate and i know you were there as well on monday it was a heck of a turnout and quite a stark contrast by the way to code pink uh who got thrown out for their various protests uh during the during the hearing i do want to follow up on something that senator mullen was asking and i want to lay runway of why i'm curious i'm curious about hypocrisy i should say i'm not doing this because i'm trying to back fill an excuse repeat because I'm here to say he did not drink on the job unequivocally. Any accusations as such are total and utter bullshit. So I'm going to say that as clearly as possible. He did not drink on the job. Second, a lot of people do. And I'm not talking about

being drunk. Sometimes people have a cocktail. And I don't actually begrudge them that. Maybe it's not for the Secretary of Defense. But for the sake of hypocrisy, coach, let me ask you this, because I just heard this this morning. If you as a senator go to the National Archives and you asked to read a document, they'll set you up in a room. From what I've heard and understand, and I don't know if you can verify this, they'll set you up in a room to read the documents that you need a document with. And the clerk, though, ask what you'd like to drink and bring you what you would like to drink. And we're not talking about Gatorade. So you can have a bourbon while you drink, I mean, while you read it from the National Archives. From what I understand,

this is a common courtesy or practice on Capitol Hill. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that happens. Of course, there's times now, and I've told people this, that we've started voting or working in the Senate chamber at three or four in the afternoon, and we don't finish until the next day at that same time, 20, 24 hours straight. And I would imagine there would be some partaking or whatever, because sometimes you even get to go home for 30, 40 minutes between votes. You never know what happens. But again, at the end of the day, you've got to be a grown-up about this.

this, you got to understand the reason that you're there, doing the right things. And I never believed any of that about Pete. And again, it's all, it's all rumor. And I don't go by rumors. You know, I go by facts. And that's what we all have to go by when you're, especially when you're doing something as important as this. I want to watch one more moment with you, Senator, because I thought this is a new senator from Montana. And I think some are, you know, they think this moment is funny. There's others to dismiss it as frivolous. I actually think there's something pretty fascinating and deep about this moment from Senator Tim Sheehe, the new senator from Montana with Pete. Let's watch. How many genders are there? Tough one.

Senator, there are two genders. I know that well. I'm a she he, so I'm on board. What is the diameter of the rifle round fired out of an M4-8-1 rifle? That's a 5-5-6. How many push-ups can you do? I did five sets of 47 this morning. What do you think our most important strategic basis in the Pacific? In the Pacific, Guam is pretty strategically significant. How many rounds of 556 can you fit into the magazine of an M4 rifle? Depends on the magazine, but standard issue is 30.

And what size round does the M9 Beretta a standard issue sidearm for the military fire? A 9mm. You know, Senator, that it seems granular. At times it seems, it is humorous. That's deep humor, by the way. She he making fun of his own name. And Pete Sam, by the way, did 47 push-ups.

It took me a minute, but I figured it out. Why do you do five sets of 47? But I eventually got there. But what I thought that showed Senator is a guy that knows it from the bottom up, from the dust on the boots to the number of rounds in a magazine on an M4 to the most strategic base in the Pacific. The guy understands the military from top to bottom. You know, the big thing that Pete has got and will understand and our understands it is communication. And my question was about recruiting. And you're going to

see recruiting go out the roof because, number one, Pete's age. You know, he's more of the age, of the warfighter. You know, he's not 65, 70 years old and been into Pentagon forever and hadn't carried a gun or shot a gun in 40 years. He understands it. He understands what these young men and women are getting into. And he's going to be a great recruiting tool. He's going to be hands-on Secretary of Defense. I mean, he's exciting to be around. Again, as I said earlier, you can't do anything right without passion. And he's going to put all the passion he has into this job. and he'll be a great, he'll be a great secretary of defense. Now, he's going to have his hands full because what we've had before this has been a disaster

because DEI, critical race theory, all this social justice nonsense that they've been pushing. And you heard what I said. I talked just recently to two young soldiers that had been crawling in the mud overseas for a year. And they come back and all they think they're coming back and be debriefed and all that and relax and rest. They go to a week of DEI training. I mean, it's absolutely nonsense of what we're pushing these people to do that's protecting our country.

I'm glad you asked him about recruiting yesterday. It's already on the uptick since his nomination, since Donald Trump's win, and it's needed. And a guy like Pete makes me regret that I did not serve, Senator. I wouldn't do myself a service if I didn't have you here today to follow up on our last conversation. So I woke up this morning, Coach. it started last night actually you know i'm a big fan of the longhorns and uh so the whole recruiting

slash transfer portal started late for the longhorns this year because of uh going to the semifinals which is a blessing but because of that now there's roster fallout so i got my sources coach you know so i'm getting texts last night oh no you need to be prepared for some big talent departures i said no and then i wake up this morning i'm like they're telling me well there's a bidding war for this guy and by the way the guys i'm talking about coach freshman sophomore, starters, playing time, succeed, excel, happy, in on the culture, winning, going to the semifinals. Why are they leaving, coach?

One reason. Somebody out there is dangling big dollars for a transfer, and it's a matter of a bidding war. And we have these unlimited, never-ending free agency in college football. I think it's going to kill college football. I don't know how you survive in a world like that. Well, you don't. And you got to go back to one thing. and I am for kids making money, okay, because it's hard, you know, most 99.9% of them are not going

to NFL. They can make a little money off of their name, image and likeness. I'm good with that. The problem is they have no skin in the game in terms of responsibility. We have to have contracts. And if you're going to pay somebody $3 million, you know, we got to have a length of a contract where at least you stay two years, maybe even three. but we can't have these young men and women leaving for $10,000 or $50,000 more. There's more interference. There's no telling how many of these kids from Texas were being talked to every day by these runners, these agents, these lawyers, these people out there that are... That's how it works. Obviously, getting tried to steal your player, getting ready to steal your players.

I don't know, coach, I know you're out of it. I don't know how you do it. You got to recruit yourself in the transfer portal. You got to recruit your own roster. And I think, I know you're going to work on something. I know you're working on something, and I think you're on the right track. I'm under a contract. I can't just move, you know, a lot of people, NFL players are under contract.

I don't know why you can't be in college football. You're on the right track, coach. We always love having you on the Will Kane show. You're doing a great job. Just like you did in your old job, you're doing a great job now in the United States Senate. We appreciate it. Congratulations on your new job, Will. Congratulations.

Thank you so much, coach. I hope to see you. I don't know what your schedule is like at first. four o'clock. I don't know if you get a break or if you get in recess, but we'd love to see you at four o'clock. You got it. Look forward to it. All right, Senator Tommy Tuberville here on the Will Kane show soon. We'll see him as well on the Fox News channel. So coming up, we've got Con Carroll. He's the author of Sex and the Citizen and Caroline Downey. She's a National Review staff writer. They're going to join us for our lunch break panel. We're going to dig into Joe Biden's

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Eastern Time every Monday through Thursday, YouTube, Facebook, and Fox News.com. We have a deal. That is the headline from the Times of Israel. Trump becomes the first leader to announce hostage ceasefire deal, besting Biden. The U.S. President-elect Donald Trump becomes the first person from their locations to publicly confirmed on the record that a hostage release and ceasefire deal has been reached. Trump posted on True Social. We have a deal for the hostages in the Middle East. They will be released shortly.

Thank you. Let's bring in Caroline Downey. She's a National Review staff writer. She's also a visiting fellow at the Independent Women's Forum. she's here today with us part of our lunch break panel hi caroline hey will congrats on your new show by the way thank you so much we're really excited here it's an adventure we don't know what to expect but we're all we know is we're excited uh this is pretty exciting this breaking news right uh i know i i just got it sent to me um it trump has posted it on truth social uh what do you make of

this as much as we know right now we have a deal for the hostages in the middle east well we know that Biden is lame duck president at this point. So I don't think we want to attribute too much credit to this administration for securing their release. But I will say that the Trump effect is still working very well, right on schedule. He's imminently about to be inaugurated as the next commander in chief. And I think that has had a chilling effect on any adversaries that seek to do the United States harm and seek to exploit us on the world stage. And I would just say that they, know winter is coming. All of our foreign foes know that winter is coming with Trump in the White House again. And so they're just trying to get ahead of the curve before it gets ugly.

If this bears out, if what I've just shared with you that Trump has put on truth social bears out, even if it takes a little bit of time for the hostage to be released, Carolyn, I mean, this is 1979. This is Jimmy Carter. This is the Iranian hostage crisis where those hostages were released right at the beginning of Ronald Reagan's presidency, you know, understanding what was like you just said, like you just laid out for us, was about to change in the world. I mean, this would be not just a victory. This would be one for the history books that has a historical precedent and we know what it did to the legacies of the two men involved, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Right. No, it absolutely has just momentous significance for

for their legacies and for their records. And if we can get these innocent people home safely, I mean, their families have endured, I mean, just imaginable, unimaginable trauma and just this waiting of, are they still alive? Will they, will we ever see them again? You know, if that can be achieved, then it will be a major foreign policy triumph right off the bat. I would say for Trump. I don't think, you know, Biden, Biden, like I said, can claim. No, this is about. Yeah, this is about Trump, not Biden. Right, right. It will be just hugely significant.

And like his record for the last administration was this foreign policy of peace through strength, which Ronald Reagan was very familiar with and honestly stewarded that foreign policy philosophy. And I think it's already, it's already making movements for Trump. All right. Joe Biden has issued a farewell letter. he has published it. He's scheduled to give a farewell address tonight. I want to share some of this with the audience. We'll go through it here together as well. Several things stuck out to me. And I want to just look at two paragraphs, if I can, of Joe Biden's farewell address. I believe we have those

that we can share with you in the audience. So this is what first stood out. He writes in his farewell letter, four years ago, we stood in a winter of peril and a winter of possibilities. We were in the grip of the worst pandemic in a century, the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. But we came together as Americans and we braved through it. We emerged stronger and more prosperous and more secure. Let's go back here now to the Wilcane Studios where we have Caroline Downey from the National Review. We're also joined by Khan Carroll. He is the author of Sex and the Citizen, how the assault on marriage is destroying democracy. Together, Khan and,

Caroline are part of our lunch break panel. Guys, so that paragraph that I just read you, I've noticed this from the beginning. It's a big part in legacy building. I'll go to you first, Con, that Joe Biden has been engaged with for really a couple of years now. What he's wanted to try to paint the picture of his presidency as he inherited a horrible mess, a winter of dark discontent essentially, and he brought us back because I feel like what he can't do, on is brag about the heights at which we are now. He has to cage it in. Look where we started. And when he always talks about where we started, he focuses in on that tight period of COVID,

not the unemployment rate, not the inflation rate, not the economy of Donald Trump before COVID, but as though the world did not exist before he inherited COVID. And he's just factually wrong there to begin with as well. I mean, when you look at the depths of the economy during COVID, that was already recovering by the time Biden came into office. If you look at both GDP growth and job growth, it was actually stronger under Trump in the post-COVID recovery than when Biden took office. Both job growth and GDP growth actually slowed down when Biden came into power. You can look on the BLS website and look it up. The data is there. I mean, when Biden came into office, you know, instead of opening up the economy,

and ending the government shutdowns. He did the opposite. He tried to shut down the economy further. And then, of course, he just made it all worse by passing the trillion-dollar spending bill that sent inflation high. And that's what people remember is that all he had to do was come in and not mess up and open up the government. And instead, he tried to be this new FDR and try to manage the government in ways and, of course, threw on all that spending. And the result was a disaster. And that's what people know. That's why he's leaving office as the least popular presidents this Nixon. two things there i'll put to you kind of that con said i find fascinating because even i forget that the recovery began before donald trump left office we always pictured this covid period i

kind of in my head it's like a year and a half and that that year and a half is like blocked you know what i mean it's all the same um but if it's already on the upswing and you ride the upswing and as as con described it you even depress the upswing you don't get credit for bringing us out of this dark winter. And the second, what Con said is, you know, Biden fashioned himself as FDR. And that's how they all behaved. Hey, never let a crisis go to waste. We're going to take this moment. And we are going to shove every dream project, WPA, work projects administration through this time of need, Caroline. Yeah, I mean, he envisioned a social transformation of the economy that the American people did not ask for. Of course, in his revisionist history, like you said, he's a victim of mere circumstances.

this horrific situation with COVID, which, of course, inflation was partially driven by the supply chain disruptions and the logistical issues of that time. But the point is he exacerbated inflation to great levels. It's up 20% from the start of his administration. That wasn't totally because of pandemic forces that he had no control over, the Inflation Reduction Act, all these other sweeping spending packages that were reckless and absolutely fueled the fire. of inflation. I mean, inflation reduction act was always an oxymoron to anyone who knew basic economics, but they got them over the finish line anyway, the build back better plan, the bipartisan infrastructure package. He touts that in his farewell address supposedly

as well, which is ironic because as California is on fire, we have to wonder, where was the federal money for their infrastructure, for their water pipes, which crumbled under pressure as flames engulfed, a region larger than the size of Manhattan. So, again, these legislative victories are, they're just not in the history books. And Biden's also saying, in a way, I admit that I was forced to the left by this progressive faction. He wasn't a progressive. Biden's instincts were much more old-fashioned liberal. But this small cohort forced him to the left of the middle of this.

country in so many ways. I mean, with Title IX and codifying gender identity into the federal bureaucracy as a protected category and so many others. And he's trying to salvage his legacy as as he can. Well, there was another, speaking of, you know, sort of his political center, let's read this other paragraph from his farewell that stuck out to me. He wrote, America's an idea stronger than any army and larger than any ocean. It's the most powerful. idea in the history of the world the idea that we're all created equal endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights among them life lived in the pursuit of happiness we've never fully lived up to this sacred idea but we've never walked away from it either and i don't believe

the american people will walk away from it now you know con you and i've known each other a long time i think 10 years ago i would have bought into that paragraph i think that um it sounds good and i actually probably at one time thought america was an idea i think in part it is. But I have evolved, Con. I don't know, since we've known each other. I don't know where you are in this, but I've evolved. You cannot tell the story of America without acknowledging that America is a people in a place as well. And it's important. And that's not being nativist. That is not. What it acknowledges is there is a cultural component to the United States of America that has to be preserved through this idea. We're not an abstract political course. We're not just simply a college course on ideas and the best

way to form a world. We are a people whose culture supports those ideas. And that's important to me because in so many ways the culture is attacked through illegal immigration, through legal immigration sometimes, which is a worthy debate to have, not to shut it down or whatever, but to talk about assimilation, you know, and that we're a place. And I think that that sounds flowery, what he says there, but I think it has some deep philosophical stuff that we have to start to understand. Yeah, I mean, look, we've always been a nation of immigrants, obviously since the founding. The people that signed the Constitution weren't native to the land.

They came there. But at the same time, we've also always understood ourselves as being a Christian nation. And I understand it's a nation that's always tolerated other religions. You know, George Washington made a point of making the Jews feels particularly welcome. But when you go back and look at the early Congress and the Supreme Court and how they ruled on specifically in relation to my book on the issues of questions of marriage and everything else. They specifically acknowledged that our civil society, the very foundation morality of our people, was rooted in a Christian faith that was built around monogamous marriage. And by the way,

con, these freedoms they were preserving would not work if they did not rest upon that culture you just described. Exactly, exactly. They never saw some free-for-all where people just got together from all different backgrounds and everything worked out. No, in order to have a nation, in order to have a civil society that functions, people have to be on the same page about what the good life is, about what is expected of other people. And the only way you can have that is with some type of assimilation, some type of common understanding of what the good life is. And we understood that for hundreds of years. People often forget when you go back and you look at right after the Civil War, the same Congress that freed the slaves went to war against the LDS Church.

over polygamy. And they had to pass not one, not two, but three laws that in the end revoked to the charter of the church and actually stole all their land. And it wasn't until that case went all the way to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court affirmed, and the language in this case is amazing. The Supreme Court affirmed that we are Christian nation, that monogamous marriage is the foundation of that marriage and affirmed that congressional law. It wasn't until after that that the Mormon church relented and gave up on polygamy and then turned to monogamy. And they've been a great monogamous people ever since. But people forget just how. essential the understanding of ourselves as a Christian nation were to our success and to the

world power we have become. And here's the thing, Con, and I'm going to put now to you, Caroline, but I imagine a critic of me or you could listen to that and go, man, that sounds Christian nationalist. No, what this is an acknowledgement of is who we are as a people. And that's why I'm pushing back on this idea, that we are just an idea. Because once you say you're just an idea, then it's like, well, the idea can morph and people can choose to not buy into the idea. And there are examples of this. Like, that's what's happening in the UK. Like, they have bought into the idea of multiculturalism to such an extent they've lost sense of who they are. And who you are is not just the Constitution of the United States. Who you are is not just the

Declaration of Independence. Those are important, very, very important. But they, Caroline, I guess the point I'm making is they coexist, they coexist with these things. that I think Con and I agree on, and Joe Biden leaves out of America. There's that famous Benjamin Franklin, quote, a republic, if you can keep it, because our founding framework, founding articles that these framers wrote to each other, they all, it's said very clearly, this experiment in self-government will only work if we have a moral people,

if they are virtuous. Yeah. And how do we foster that virtue in a people? Well, it's through those, as Tocqueville said, those mediating institutions, those little platoons of church, and family, the societal ties that bind us together, all of those things have to flourish. And we have to have a practicing moral compass

as a nation. And there's this other analogy I remember that I love, which is that I believe the Constitution is the picture. And the Declaration of Independence is the frame. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as well as all of the Bill of Rights, and all of the amendments and the Constitution, which sets up how our limited government works,

to come into this country and be a citizen, an American. You have to buy in to all of that. You not only have to have the moral code that you're describing, Will, which is, yeah, it's a Western civilization thing. We're beneficiaries of that. And even those who are secular here in this country who claim to be atheists, they are all beneficiaries of a moral code that was laid by our forefathers a very long time ago. And those who are imported here illegally by the federal government, let's be real. They're not vetted. We have no idea if they subscribe.

to our founding mission in credo, our collective credo, which is essential, because unlike other countries in the world, we're not united by an ethnicity. We're not. We're united by a language, and we're united by a credo, which has moral underpinnings. A cradle. Are you going with credo? That's new one for me. I go credo. Is that a debate? Is that open for interpretation? Is it cradle or credo? You're probably right. I still mispronounce the word buried and i get buried and buried confused so anyone i'll end there but buried are you from like minnesota buried are you from minnesota no i'm from florida so i'm really exposing my state right we miss i guess we mispron who's right am i right is it creedo or credo which is it con

i mean you know i i have always heard credo who might have decided you know maybe the state Maybe the state of Florida has it right. I don't know. I defer to my. Caroline, can I just tell you early on when I was in TV? I went on CNN and I said this word. And I'm going to see if you can tell what the real world is. I'll give you the way I mispronounced it, okay?

I said cacophony. And I still sometimes in my head say cacophony. Okay, so you know what I don't know why I know how to pronounce this? Cacophony. And I know why, how to pronounce it? Because that is the name my parents gave to this little. boat that we bought in Florida because I'm a triplet and our brothers my brothers names are Connor and Finn so they said Caroline Connor Finn Cacophony they like blended all

Cacophony sorry they blended all three names together but cacophony rolls off the tongue don't lie it rolls off the tongue cacophony it seems like it should be done it's what con I see here two days Dan's going to settle the debate once and for all so I have the pronunciation give me credo or credo Credo shoot oh sorry the AI Siri bot tells us will is right by the way one more while we're staying on this note dan i don't know if you can bring this up and i love him and he's a friend of the show senator mark wayne mullen so when he tore in yesterday to senator tim kane and others he did have a little moment where i go huh i want you to i don't it's at the back end of what he did and i don't

know how long your total clip is dan but it's in the last 10 seconds i want to listen to it one more time. See if you can cue that up, Dan. Senator Kane, or I guess I better use, the senator from Virginia, it starts bringing up the fact that what if you showed up drunk to your job? Give me a joke. It is so ridiculous that you guys hold yourself as this higher standard and you forget you got a big plank in your eye. He did it.

I have never in my life, and I promise you when he comes on next time, I'm going to ask him what it means to give me a joke. I mean, what is give me a joke? I think he caught himself somewhere between give me. me a break and you got to be and that's a joke right we don't say give me a joke no caroline are you with me yeah i i don't i don't understand why he's saying that don't be afraid just because you're senator caroline don't be afraid you can you can say you got it wrong senator it doesn't it doesn't sound correct to the year but then again these are senators

I'm sure they're, I'm sure they're well. He'll own it. He'll wear it as a badge of honor. He's from Eastern Oklahoma. He's going to own that he said, give me a joke on. He'll like it. And he did a heck of the job yesterday. He clearly crossed the two up.

But I mean, the rest of the clip was fantastic. I don't think it overshadowed the moment itself, which, you know, I definitely retweeted yesterday. It was a highlight, absolutely. It was awesome. It was awesome. A lot of guys were awesome. But that was an amazing moment. by the way let's stay light for just a second so uh yesterday i need the details on this so you guys

either you two or the boys back in the studio are going to have to fill me in so what did coke do they made donald trump a commemorative or it's the very first glass bottle of diet coke it looks commemorative it's got the white house on it what is this dan or james you know con no i mean all i know is what i saw on Twitter, which was, I believe they made him a, you know, first ever inauguration commemorative Diet Coke bottle. Yeah, that's what it is. Yep. Yeah. Just for him. I'm sure they saw, you know, all the stories of him having the Diet Coke button. And they said, you know, easy, you know, easy marking opportunity. It's, uh, it's like a Pop-Tarts bowl, but without the football. Yeah, it says they're also, they're just rewarding their biggest customer ever. I mean,

this is, this is very common sense thing to do. Thank you for single-handedly keeping us in business, Mr. Trump, you're the reason Diet Coke is, had a revival among, I mean, I don't know if it was actually out of style, but everyone I know now in my age demographic, Gen Z, we're all about Diet Coke. I still like good old Mexican Coke because it has cane sugar. So I salute RFK on the cane sugar thing and getting rid of high fructose corn syrup, but yeah, no, I love it. I think it's...

Gin Z's Diet Coke? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Big time. I had no idea. They just, it's because it's very few calories, and, I would argue it's actually an entirely different soda altogether than regular Coke. I don't even think they're in the same category.

I think they're entirely different. You've altered it to the point where the artificial sugar just makes it like the composition tastes very different. But I mean, it's got a sexy silver can. I'll do a Diet Coke, which I guess makes me Gen Z-ish. But like if I go a diet soda, which I don't do that often, but I do try to do diet. If it's a Dr. Pepper Day, though, it's just a day for Dr. Pepper. That's a huge dessert treat. But if I'm going what you said, low calorie, I'd go 50% diet Dr. Pepper, 50% Diet Coke.

By the way, is this political? Are the libs all running from Coke? Are they going to Pepsi? Well, look, I mean, Coca-Cola did all the DEI initiatives during 2020 as well. So it's not like Coke is suddenly this conservative bastion in the commercial world. But it is a tried and true American trademark, and it's a household. name that goes many, many, many decades back. I've been to the Coke Museum in Atlanta, and it is fascinating to see the history of that company. They also have flavors from around the

world. Like, I think it's like over 300, which is always fun. Hmm. Con, are you, I said, you, you, you, I've always been a Diet Coke drinker. Oh, you're a Diet Coke drinker. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I've got one on my desk right now. You know, Diet Coke strikes. a flavor balance where you almost tell yourself that you're not, because you're not, it's artificial, but you're not, you know, when you have a Coke or a Dr. Pepper, you're like, I am drinking a dessert. I know that. I can taste that I'm drinking a dessert. There's a lack of sweetness to Diet Coke that you can convince yourself. It's almost like coffee. It's just a little

pick-me-up. Yeah, that's all it is. I mean, I think it's incredible that Trump has made this part of his diet in such a major way. And he's still not only alive, but he's thriving. This is his lifeblood Diet Coke. If they suddenly put Diet Coke out of commission, I think Trump would cease to function. I think he'd be devastated. I want to ask him. That's a great point. I'm going to ask him that next time I see him or interview.

Does he drink it straight out of the can or does he put it over ice? Well, so there's debate about this as well. I think he does both. Well, I've been with him. I'm strictly ice. I never drink out of the can. Many would argue. I've seen him with glass and ice.

glass and ice i've seen him that but i'm i don't know that he's opposed to the can he might be opposed i don't know you know something caroline something about the way the aluminum insulates the beverage i don't know but fresh can out of the fridge crispy icy i feel like that is the top tier way to consume this drink but then there are those who will say well actually like crushed ice from mcdonalds like the coca cola whatever is in the soda machines at the franchises. They, they definitely are different. Like, there's almost like a, it is. There's like a ranking of, it's a fact. Yes. Like, how do, how does the best way to drink this? They do. They do. I think that's fact. We could Google that, but I believe McDonald's gets a

different formula from Coke that's slightly altered and everybody believes is better. I, just slightly altered. So, but they do, they get in a canister, not a bag. So it's in a, it's fresher and and more crisp because they get it in a gas canister and everyone else gets it in bags, the syrup and all that. It hits different. And they won't do the same. They won't do that for Sonic or whatever. Exactly.

They won't give the gas canister to other people. Specifically just for McDonald's. Interesting. And by the way, I looked up. Trump drinks mostly out of plastic bottles for Diet Coke, I'm seeing. That's a lower tier. They're both. Kahn shaking his head.

ice is what separates us from the uncivilized people i mean you go to europe they don't have any ice ice is what makes us american you got to put it over ice otherwise you're you're you're you're just a frenchie i totally agree i would i would i would that would i will pull it out of a can like caroline just said but if you take it out of the canter bottle and you put into a glass and you don't put any ice with it i wouldn't know what to do with that that's like a huge social faux pa like what's what's wrong with you that doesn't look right uh to drink it in that manner okay let's do this sure doesn't taste we go i want to turn to the uh the business at hand as well um i know you believe this caroline so jillie um uh fitness expert is it jillian and what's her name jillian michaels thank you

jillian michael's has said that she believes the response to the fires in los angeles will push many residents and celebrities away from the way they have traditionally voted, which of course is blue and Democrat, that this will be a come to Jesus moment. Others are doubtful. Others are like, no, you're way too hopeful. And I think I'm probably in the category of others. I am pretty doubtful that this is going to change California. What do you think, Caroline? I think sometimes it takes limousine liberal elites suffering the consequences of the policies they support to really change their mind on these things. I mean, the list of actors and famous celebrities whose homes are burned to the ground is really long.

It was actually shocking to me. Both Billy Crystal and John Goodman, Mike Wozowski, and Sully from Monsters Inc. Both had their houses demolished by the fire, which I was like that's so sad. But honestly, I think it's hitting them where it really hurts now. And what I mean by progressive policies is there was serious mismanagement. And even Gavin Newsom, you see he's scared. He's definitely already starting to freak out a little bit because he just suspended the environmental review process for rebuilding, which is crazy for California,

which is all about permits. They're all about the environmental reviews. They're all about these prolonged review processes, you know, under the pretense of environmental protection. And that's, he suspended all that because people are up in arms. I mean, their livelihoods have been destroyed, their properties. And it's because, like, as I was mentioning earlier, the infrastructure failed, the fire departments. And you have to ask, okay, why is that? Well, it's because the federal, sorry, the state government under Newsom as well as L.A. County, they rerouted a lot of the money that should have been going to disaster prevention to updating, improving the water pipes and, you know, making sure the Palisades Reservoir wasn't out of commission.

It's gone to homelessness. It's gone to endangered species. It's gone to climate change initiatives, which will not make a dent in lowering the global, the global. temperature because you have mass polluters like China. So here they are. They've dumped just millions of dollars on measures that are not about keeping your population safe, which is literally the core function of government. Keep your people safe. Totally. And so they wasted it all. I saw Bill, but Con, I saw Bill Burr, I think it's pretty funny sometime, like on Jimmy Kimmel. And he's like, mismanagement. It's not mismanagement. You know, all these experts on lawn say it's

mismanagement. I don't know. All it takes us some identity politics and a little bit of climate change or something. And I think they'll be right back there voting blue. Well, you know, I think you'll have to look at what we've seen so far. And that is that the deeply blue Los Angeles just recently voted in the first Republican district attorney in a generation, right? So you've already seen a move to the right. You've already seen a move to the Republicans. Now, it's going to be up to Republicans like Nate Hockman to do a good job. And I think so far when you look at the leaders that have come out in this wildfighter, people who have stepped up, all the Democrats have failed. Newsom, Bass, they've all looked ridiculous. Hockman's the only leading light here. Hockman's the

only shining light here of someone who's come up and take on the job said, we are going to prosecute these leaders. We're going to looters. We're going to get them. We're going to shut them down. and I think if you get more of that, if you get more competent Republicans winning these smaller offices, and so, look, I'm actually going to deliver good government, I'm actually going to deliver good services, then yeah, I think you should, you could see California turning at least purple. Okay, I'm going to end this lunch break panel with two questions for you guys. Just I'm curious on two things, so I'm going to get your take. First, what goes purple first?

California moving from blue to purple or Texas moving from red to purple? I'll just go quickly to both of you. Which one goes first? Khan. California. I mean, they've been talking about Texas for generations, and the state's still booming. It's just not going to happen.

Caroline? California. I agree with everything he said. I love you, you're both optimism. I do. And I'm, as a Texan, I would be, I hope that I hope that you're correct.

But you live in California. I did live in California. That's true. I did. I went to Pepperdine, right in the middle for all these fires. has happened um uh there's a lot of californians moving to texas so that's why that question i do think

is appropriate about whether or not texas could move purple but i do think most californians that move here there's a lot of job growth and job growth brings people of different ideologies but there's also refugees meaning people moving from california for the right reasons to texas um here's the last one quickly i don't want to like i don't want to ask you what do you think his legacy will be because that's going to be big and long but how about this when it's all said and done where do you think Joe Biden will rank in presidency. Like, you've got to give it time. You know, Caroline's Gen Z.

So, Con, you and I were around to see the end of George Bush and that kind of thing. And, you know, his legacy is still being written, by the way. You know, whatever we thought it was in like 2009, 10, 11 is way different than what people think today for different reasons. So his is in flux. And so the point there is it takes time for a legacy to settle in. but say we're 25 years down the road 20 years down the road what's the legacy where does he rank joe i think he's going to be below carter and a big part of it is age i mean you talk about bush

rehabilitating but he was young he got out of office right he had a you know the other 40 50 60 years ahead of him joe biden does not you know he's going to quickly fade off the stage uh mostly because he just doesn't have the skill set to be on the stage anymore uh and he's leaving on a whole bunch of terrible notes from Hunter Biden to all the rest of the pardons to, you know, taking Cuba off of the terrorist list. I mean, he's just leaving a real bad taste and not just American voters, not just independent mouths, but in the mouths of Democrats as well. And without some type of body of work to point to as a post president and say, look,

I did good and I rehabilitated myself, I think he's going to stay below Carter. Yeah. Caroline? I'll say the comparisons of Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden missed the mark in that at least we could say that while Jimmy Carter's administration had similar economic trends as Biden's, there was of course, of course inflation. There was stagflation under Carter. And then, you know, economic boom followed with Ronald Reagan. And I think we can expect a very similar thing to happen with Trump in the White House again. But Carter was at least a man of God. He was a man of Christian charity. He didn't, you know, run around. saying one thing about his religiosity and then it's like openly violating that and everything he would do. I won't say more on that. But, you know, Carter actually was well-intentioned. He made a lot of serious mistakes in diplomacy, of course. I mean, he tried to be the mediator of the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel. And it just, it failed because he was a good guy who had great, great intentions. And it was just a disaster, unfortunately. Biden, on the other hand, is one of the most corrupt presidents of our lifetime.

The influence peddling schemes of his family, which have been well documented by, of course, James Comer and his committee, as well as Miranda Devine and the entire hunter-bottin laptop scandal, the way they enriched themselves from foreign entities when they were not foreign agents or declared as such is a massive scandal. And that reflects very, very poor character that I think, he never stooped to those lows and you know i'd add one more thing to that i think it's a really good point both of you make i think that he doesn't have time to rehabilitate himself like he pointed

out con he also might not have the machine like that rehabilitation process for democrats is often aided by not just the democratic party continuing to sanctify you but also the mainstream media and in the last you know what has it been six to eight months he's kind of lost both of those things, at least to some degree. So they're not going to have a big interest and continue to rehabilitate him in his legacy and his, you know, in his post-presidency life. All right, this has been an awesome lunch break panel. Con Carroll, check out his book. Last time we were together, we talked about marriage and deeply, more deeply about his book, Sex and the Citizen, how the assault on marriage is destroying democracy. It's out there. It's on sale now. And Caroline Downey,

she's a National Review. She's also a visiting fellow at the Independent Women's Forum. They're both on X, and it pretty much follows exactly the way you say their name. So you'll find them when you look for their name. All right. Caroline Kahn, thank you. Thanks, Will. All right. Okay, that's going to do it for me today. What is today? Wednesday. That means I'm going to be right back here tomorrow, Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern time, Fox News.com, Fox News YouTube channel, Fox News Facebook page. Let's get ready for next week. Enaguration of President Donald Trump. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast, and Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free, on the Amazon music app.

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