Will Cain Country - President Trump Vs. Democrats: The Crime Showdown! (ft. Jeffrey Tucker & Tiffany Justice)

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

Story #1: Democrats continue to melt down over President Donald Trump’s crime crackdown. Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D-IL) calls him “unfit for office,” while Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson refuses to admit that more police would cut crime. And from the DNC stage: “Americans don’t care about carjackings.” Will exposes just how delusional the Left’s crime narrative has become. Story #2: President of the Brownstone Institute, Jeffrey Tucker cuts through the media spin. Is President Trump really banning flag burning?  Is President Trump’s Intel investment a smart strategy or creeping socialism? Story #3: Executive Vice President of Heritage Action, Tiffany Justice is tackling the fight for children in Virginia, from a racist sign targeting Lt. Gov. Winsome Earle-Sears (R-VA) to girls losing privacy in locker rooms, she explains how woke policies are still failing families.  Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Plus, no, we will not admit that it helps reduce crime to increase the police. amazing sound from Democrats. J.B. Pritzker, Brandon Johnson, and the stage of the DNC. Two, Clay Travis takes the Pete and Bobby Challenge. The United States government takes an ownership in Intel. It's illegal to burn a flag. We break it down with a noted libertarian, Jeffrey Tucker. Three, it's Winsome Sears' fault.

You see, that somebody held up a racist sign suggesting if trans can't use your bathroom? then blacks can't use my white water fountain. It is Wilcane Country, streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, Terrestrial Radio, some three dozen markets across this great United States of America, but always on demand by subscribing. Apple or on Spotify. National Dog Day. That is today.

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Today we have a fun show of sound. I want to take a trip around the world with you. We want you to hear with your own ears. see with your own eyes the way the Democrats currently feel about their place in the American political landscape, what they feel about fighting crime, what they feel about the American experiment, what they say about the things that matter to America. We want you to hear and to see the very best and just the last 24 hours from Democrats. Story number one. Governor J.B. Pritzker of Illinois is incensed with the idea that after Washington, D.C., President Trump would send the National Guard to fight crime in Chicago. In fact, he conducted a press conference yesterday where he said Donald Trump was unfit for office.

Here is J.B. Pritzker. Finally, to the Trump administration officials who are complicit in this scheme, To the public servants who have forsaken their oath to the Constitution to serve the petty whims of an arrogant little man. To any federal official who would come to Chicago and try to incite my people into violence as a pretext for something darker and more dangerous, we are watching and we are taking names. Donald Trump has already shown himself to have little regard for the many acolytes that he had. encouraged to commit crimes on his behalf. You can delay justice for a time, but history shows you cannot prevent it from finding you eventually. If you hurt my people, nothing will stop me, not time or political circumstance, from making sure that you face justice under our constitutional

rule of law. J.B. Pritzker, line by line. Sentence by sentence, painting a false picture of America, a false role that he plays as the hero of Illinois, and a false portrait of Donald Trump. Let's go through these line by line. In this particular cut alone, you hear him suggest that the people that work for Donald Trump, his, quote, acolytes, have violated their oath to the Constitution. What oath to the Constitution and what violation? Please expound, Governor. you are welcome at any point to come on long form and have that discussion on Wilcane country. He says, if you hurt my people, number two, nothing will stop me.

No, nothing. No state boundary will stop me from seeking justice. That's been a promise from Democrats over the last decade, that you will ultimately, and time will ultimately prevail and bend toward the arc of justice. Justice has played out over the last decade. It has shown that your fight, your pursuit, is in fact injustice. Your lawfare, your attempt at charges, your attempted impeachment, your intent to keeping Donald Trump out of public office has been deemed by justice, an injustice.

Number three, in a separate cut, he suggested that do not come here, Donald Trump. You are not wanted and you are. not needed. Well, the citizens of Chicago, and most public polling, 54% now suggest they appreciate what Donald Trump is doing to try to help with crime in American urban centers, American cities like Chicago, indicating that in fact it is wanted and it is needed, perhaps even in Chicago. He suggested that Donald Trump is not of sound mind. In a separate clip, his line is that it is evidence that his mind is slipping. His faculties are slipping, and then he's unfit for the office that he inhabits. Rich, rich, coming from a Democrat

who, like others, forgave, overlooked, explained away, and tried to re-elect Joe Biden to the presidency. Again, no evidence for the slipping of Donald Trump's mental faculties. Again, Governor, you're always welcome here on the Will Cain Show, long form to lay out the evidence for your multitude of hyperbolic claims and lies. He suggested that he, in fact, is the protector of the American military, that it's wrong. And some of the biggest victims in this entire enterprise are the members of the National Guard. He cloaks himself in the heroic features of the protector of the American military. And then he suggests that Donald Trump is not

doing this for the residents of Chicago. He's not here to help Chicago. J.B. Prisker says, we don't want you here. We want to keep our crime in Chicago. Chicago, by the way, the murder capital of the United States of America. But that doesn't seem to be a problem for Governor Pritzker or the mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, who in a remarkable interview on MSNBC showed either, you be the judge, political adeptness in

avoiding the answer to a question or political amateurism in the naked, blatant disrespect toward the host of Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough, who had to ask this question four to five times. Here is Brandon Johnson on Morning Joe. Do you believe that the streets of Chicago would be safer if there were more uniformed police officers on the streets of Chicago? I believe the city of Chicago in cities across America would be safer if we actually had, you know, affordable housing. Look, I'm not saying that we don't. That's not the question I asked. My question is, and I just need yes or no, do you believe the streets of Chicago would be safer if you got all of those other extraordinary programs put back into place, which do have a history of being successful, if that's complimented by having.

5,000 more cops on the streets of Chicago. I don't believe that we should narrow it down to just police officers. I'm not. That is an anti-quetted approach. Would an additional 5,000 cops on the streets in Chicago help complement those programs to make Chicago safer? Look, we are working hard to make sure that our police department is fully supported. I don't believe that just simply putting out an arbitrary.

number around police officers is the answer. What I'm saying is policing and affordable housing. Incredibly frustrating. For a host to say, simply I am asking you will more police help with crime in Chicago to continue

the answer, it's got to be part of a larger picture. When the host, in this case, Joe Scarborough says, I agree, wonderful programs, submitted, all of those programs will be implemented. Then, after that, Along with it, do you agree that it would be beneficial to have 5,000 more police? Look, the ultimate tell of a lying politician. Look.

It's almost like, look away. Don't listen to my answer and don't pay attention to the question. Why would he be so reluctant to admit that more police equals less crime? I don't think you can hire police enough away to get rid of crime. But I certainly recognize that if you could, it would be. reduce crime, why is that so hard for him to say? Is it because the mayor of Chicago believes that that would be an endorsement for the National Guard deployment to Chicago? Or is it that he believes that crime isn't a problem in Chicago? Or is it he the believes that police

are not the answer to the problems in Chicago? Or is it he in fact believes that police are the problem in Chicago? Stunning avoidance of a simple question asked four to five times by an increasingly frustrated Morning Joe. Maybe it's the last. Maybe he believes police are the problem. Or maybe he believes that crime is not a problem. That's certainly what we heard, by the way, from the stage of this convention of Democrats

that included Tim Walts and others in Minnesota, where they told you Americans don't care about crime. What issues voters care about? Where does Trump go? Migrant crime, carjackings, the really lurid. awful stuff that is a crazy, crazy visual. Don't take the bait because most Americans are more worried about how are we going to address mental health issues, the visible homelessness that we see

on streets, and how do we deal with mental health and other issues that drive the sort of random incidents that scare all of us. That's what you should be talking about. That's where you should be focused. Don't take the bait in talking about migrant crime or carjackings or the things that actually don't matter to that many Americans and then go to the summer meetings of the Democratic National Committee Americans actually don't care about carjackings and they don't care about migrant crime they care about mental health that's what you were told from the stage of the summer meetings of the Democrat National Committee this is why this party among other reasons like redistricting like low voter registration for Democrats especially under the age of 45

Low voter registration, most notably among young men, very little in the coffers, very little money for the DNC because it was all been blown on Kamala Harris, a total lack of national leadership and a charismatic individual. And by the way, a new census coming in five years is going to reapportion more government to Texas and Florida and red states while taking away from New York and California. Why? Because people are voting with their feet. That electoral college combined with all these other problems and the fact that Democrats have no idea what matters to actual Americans means, you may never have another president that is a Democrat, especially when you're giving us things like this, again, from the stage of the summer meetings of the Democratic National Committee.

Let us take a moment to acknowledge land ownership, indigenous people. Listen. The DNZ acknowledges and honors the Dakota O Yate, the Dakota people, who are the original stewards of the lands and waters of Minneapolis. The Dakota cared for the lands, lakes, and the Waukpatanka, the Great River, the Mississippi River, for thousands of years before colonization. This land was not claimed or traded. It's a part of a history of broken treaties and promises.

And in many ways, we still live in a system built to suppress indigenous people's cultural and spiritual history. I love the history of Native Americans. I love the history of the American Indian. It is simply false history to suggest that any one group of people or any tribe, owned this land before any other. Land is taken by conquest, and those tribes took them from other tribes, by violence. Then that land was taken by their tribes,

often by violence. There is no original owner of any land. If you trace most American Indians claim to any particular piece of land, you're going to go back at best to maybe 300 years prior to them taking it to someone else, taking it from some other tribe.

You want to play the game of rewinding history and who is rightful owner of a particular piece of land? Good luck. Land is a history and a story of conquest. More importantly, this is who they are, Democrats, when they're not obsessed with Donald Trump. J.B. Prisker will try to project and try to convince you it's the other way, the governor of Illinois.

said he lives rent-free in Donald Trump's head. Watch. We're very pleased about the progress that we're making. I know that I live rent-free in the president's head, and I wish he would spend some time in Chicago so that he could see what a lovely city we have. Governor Kirkfellow, what do you do if the National Guard is active? He lives free.

He lives free in Donald Trump's head as he gives this speech. And the cameraman, if you're listening on Spotify app, the radio pans up and to the left, up and to the left, like out of JFK, up and to the left as J.B. Pritzker stands beneath a Trump building in Chicago. That's a little trip around the world of sound just within the last 24 hours and where we stand today with Democrats. But if Republicans forsaken their principles, have they forsaken free speech, the First Amendment. Donald Trump signing an executive order to ban flag burning. Donald Trump taking a 10% interest in Intel. Is that socialism? Okay, let's walk through it with the Brownstone Institute's

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Start winning. Winners, find fabulous for less. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. planning flag burning. It is Will Cain Country. Streaming live at the Will Cain Country YouTube channel. Head over there, bookmark it, subscribe, hit a like, and then drop into the comment section and become a member of the Wallitia. If you're listening on your own schedule, just subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. Jeffrey Tucker is a friend of the program. He's also

the president of the Brownstone Institute. He is the author of Spirits of America, one semi-quincennial. He's also, I believe, most accurately described as an anarcho-libertarian. Would that be fair, Jeffrey, like a misis, anarcho-libertarian, Ludwig von Mises, if I'm trying to be fancy and wear a bowtie and glasses, I'll say Mises. Is that an accurate description of you, Jeffrey Tucker? I think it's an accurate description of my formation, but I reserve the right to think you know, out of that box, however you construe it. So, yeah, I would say so. Okay.

We'll call it a genesis. It's a genesis, the anarcho-libertarian genesis, but willing to be practical and evolve over time, which we've talked about, and I love talking about with Jeffrey Tucker. So we have the perfect issue. I think it is absolutely the perfect issue for the perfect guest. With you, Jeffrey Tucker.

Donald Trump has signed an executive order, screams every headline and every post on X that bans flagburn. Now, this has drawn the ire of not just the left, but many on the right. I want to share with you some of that feedback. Colin Wright, who is a conservative libertarian commentator on X, wrote, banning flag burning is absurd. It's anti-free speech and peak snowflake behavior. I would never burn the American flag because of what it symbolizes to me.

But the act of banning the burning of it runs more contrary to American values than the burning of it itself. Dana Lash, radio host, friend to the Will Cain Show, posted, flag burning is vile, but the government has no right to control speech or expression. What say you on the executive order on flag burning, Jeffrey Tucker? If it's your flag, you can burn it. But the executive order, if you read it, and it disappoints it, we live in the age of the internet where you can just click a couple of things and read something, that's not what the executive order says. It says that it's calling for the full, for the enforcement of the fullest

as possible of our nation's criminal and civil laws against American flag desecration that violate applicable content neutral laws while causing harm unrelated to expression consisted with the First Amendment. That's what it says. So it's actually a ban on violent crimes, hate crimes, legal discrimination against American citizens or violations of American civil rights that are associated with things like burning the flag. But it doesn't actually, nowhere in this executive order to say you can't burn the American flag. That actually acknowledges that flag burning is consistent with free expression. What it's doing is trying to deprecate the act as far as, and that's the reality. It's often associated with other property to damage and hate crimes.

and other forms of disorderly antagonism that nobody really wants. So, you know, I just think we need to do a more careful reading of this. It's fine to critique attacks on free speech, even when they come for the Trump administration. But there should be some accuracy associated with it. I think we are missing accuracy. We're missing depth. We're missing context. And we're actually missing reading the executive order.

Perfect analysis, I believe, by you, Jeffrey. The headlines scream that he is banning the burning of the American flag, but the executive order lays out exactly what you just shared with us today. If you're watching on the YouTube channel of Wilcane Country or you're watching on Facebook, you can see this displayed here in our studios. I read from the executive order section B, in cases where the Department of Justice or another executive department or agency determines that an instance of American flag desecration may violate an applicable state or local law, such as open burning. restrictions, disorderly conduct laws, or destruction of property laws, the agency shall refer the matter to the appropriate state or local authority for potential action. In short, if you are breaking another law like disorderly conduct or open burning laws, then you will be prosecuted for burning an American flag. There's also some conversation about whether or not your flag

burning is an incitement to riot, which by the way would essentially be the current standard for the First Amendment and free speech before the United States Supreme Court. In Brandenburg, the 1969 case that says the end of your free speech is when you incite violence or physical action from another person. And so when I look at this, the Trump administration truthfully hasn't done something that radical. Admittedly, they sold it as radical. We're banning the burning of the American flag.

And everyone took the bait by simply only reading the headline. This just keeps happening. Trump trolls the left, the left takes the bait, the right gets alarmed. But who's looking at the text? Just go to the executive order. That's what I did. I said, oh, wow, this sounds weird. I read it.

That's totally consistent. And by the way, this executive order comes in the context of countless numbers of northeastern states, coastal cities that have painted crosswalks. with LGBT, you know, with pride rainbows and that sort of thing. And if you put skid marks on them, you'll be arrested. So, you know, there is that. You know, I mean, come on. It's true.

But on the other hand, it's okay. If you burn an American flag at Union Station, which is what I saw happening last year, they're burning American flags on the statue at Union Station. that is desecration, that is disorderly, that is absurd, what civilized country can never tolerate that. So, you know, there is that. I mean, a lot of what Trump is doing is just reinforcing laws that we've forgotten, tapping into a certain common sense, the people that burn your nation's flag. And again, I believe in property rights.

If you've got a flag and you've got a few acres of property and you want to go out to the back and throw it in the fireplace, fine. nobody's going to stop you Trump's not going to stop you nobody's going to arrest you nobody's going to even know about it that's fine but if you go to the town center and start screaming and yelling and engaged in insane contact and start burning a flag you know in front of in front of a beloved statue that offends everybody you know why why shouldn't why should that be considered free expression that's a free expression that's that's being a massive jerk in a way that diminishes the quality of life for everyone else.

And I say that as a libertarian. He says that as an anarcho-libertarian, but evolving. Some headlines to back up, Jeffrey Tucker. Here from the BBC, 15 years in Iowa jail for burning a pride flag. That's from December 19th of 2019, where a man was prosecuted for burning a pride flag. And then, from the Daily Mail Online, three Washington teens are facing 10 years in jail after making skid marks on LGBT Rainbow Road mural while riding e- scooters.

Those teenagers were riding e- scooters and peeling out in a crosswalk, which means on the road, in a city street, where they had painted a pride mural and those kids were facing charges. Explain to me how that's a crime in America, but burning an American flag, well, that's quintessentially American.

Yeah, I'm waiting for the taxpayer protest against all these absurd pride rainbows on our streets there are our streets and and cities are paying tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to these artis you know or you know sloppy buckets of paint there and then everybody then you can't use a crosswalk now it's desecration to walk on the pride flag you know you have to walk around it's the whole thing is crazy and i get that people are getting sick of this uh meanwhile the flag burners you know are uh you know oh that's free expression. So this is what Trump is pushing back against. This brilliant politics. And I guess my plea is just that when you see these kinds of cultural war things going on, just look at the text

and consider the content and calm down and maybe you'll come up with a more rational judgment. In this case, Trump is not banning flag burning. He's banning breaking of laws that are associated with flag burning. It's pretty clear. Very clear. Meanwhile, more and more Americans continue to take the Pete and Bobby Challenge. The director of the FBI took the Pete and Bobby Challenge. 50 pull-ups, 100 push-ups, see if you can do it in under 10 minutes. If you can hit 5, you've hit elite status. Director of the FBI, Cash Patel, came in at about seven and a half minutes.

Friend of the show, host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, the founder of Outkick, Clay Travis took it as well. We'll check in in just a moment and check the tape on Clay Travis. But, Jeffrey, I wanted to share this with you because this is up just in the last 24 hours. At the New York Times, the headline reads, 100 push-ups and 50 pull-ups in under 10 minutes. What could go wrong? Subhead, fitness experts caution against jumping into a difficult routine suggested by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Pete Hegseth. Inside the article, Jeffrey, they also criticize both Kennedy and Hegsett's pull-ups as not full extension. Go ahead, Jeffrey Tyler.

Every day the New York Times runs their daily Maha article. Actually, today they ran their, it was a double hitter, right? Two big attacks on Maha. Every day, there's another one today that said somebody like, chemical foods are just as good as natural foods. And by the way, vitamin D is dangerous. It actually said that. So, but I just can't believe this stuff. I mean, what commentary is necessary?

All you have to do is screenshot it and highlight it and send it out and laugh. But actually this attack on exercise was a bit much. I will admit you that I'm more and more inspired by RFK's exercise routine. I decided this morning to undertake, I left aside the pull apart. I just wanted to do the push-up part. Now, it's true I did it military style, not that widespread thing, but right in front of me, you know, kind of thing. Which most people can't even do one of those things. Well, I did 30.

Not bad, right? But no, I was not able to do a hundred. Not bad. I'm, and I'll tell you that. I will not hurt myself by doing 100 because I cannot do a hundred. I mean, why is this difficult? You get tired and then you stop. Do we really have to explain this?

Maybe I should have read this New York Times article because I was hurting. I was hurting during it and after it. Now, my time, as well celebrated, was five minutes and 12 seconds. Now, how did Clay Travis do? Why don't Jeffrey and I check the tape? Here's Clay Travis taking the Pete and Bobby challenge.

All right, headed to go do the 100 push-ups, 50 pull-ups challenge. Nash, how do you think I'll do? I think you'll do great. What did you say the first time? I think I'll complete it in an hour. An hour. Here he's taking it now. Will he make it in under an hour?

He's got his video sped up. Clay Travis doing one at a time on the pull-ups. He's dropping after every rep on the pull-ups. This is not going to be a great time, Clay. If you got one... He's one at a time in it on the pull-ups, and I don't see his chin getting above the bar. In fact, the speeding up of it makes it

look even worse. I don't know how high we're actually getting up. And two a days. Go ahead and apprise us. What was the final time for Clay Travis? I will have to check the tape. Let me get back to you on that in one second. I actually know. I just thought you'd be prepared to produce the show two a days. Clay Travis did it in 11 and a half minutes. 11 and a half. Beating the transportation secretary, Sean Duffy, not quite making 10. But I'm with Jeffrey. Look, I really mean this. If you can do 50 pull-ups and 100 push-ups, period. I'm impressed. I think it's a feat of strength. You can do it in 10 minutes, all the more amazing. Yeah, and I say that even about lame push-ups, this is like a pet peeve-of-mind, when I see people doing push-ups of their arms way out.

I think, oh, come, give me a break. Let's see some real push-ups with, you know, hands in front, you know, exercise of those chest muscles. It's a different, those are what called a military push-ups. And that's, I'm not sure what kind of Bobby was doing, but, but yeah, I can. can do 30 of those and I'm very impressed. I cannot do 100 is crazy. As for pull-ups, if you can do three, congratulations. I would like to, you know, how many, how many men of a certain age, or really any age,

can do three full clean pull-ups? I don't know. I think it's, I think it's pretty rare. 50, that's crazy. I mean, congratulations, that's great. That's a great goal and you can work up to it. Maybe, but that is a tough exercise. So anyway, there's no danger associated.

It's not like you're going to accidentally do 50 pull-ups. Oh, whoops? What have I done? I've hurt myself. No, that is not going to happen. If you can pull yourself up. You got to be careful, you got it. You got to be careful, says the New York Times.

Two of a days, I'd love for you to look up the answer to Jeffrey's question. You can chime in at the end of our interview. What is the average American man's ability to do pull-ups? I'm just curious what that. what that might be. We'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece French toast sticks, bacon or sausage wrap, biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more. Limited time only at participating Wendy's Taxes Extra.

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If socialism is government owning the means of production, wouldn't the government owning part of Intel be a step toward socialism? Terrible idea. And then Jessica Tarlov of Fox News's The Five said, I don't want to hear a single word about Democrats and socialism ever again. period, all caps, ever. What do you think, Jeffrey, about the United States government taking a 10% interest in Intel? That's a lot of high dungeon. And I don't disagree with what Rand is saying, but I do want to make two points. One is that the U.S. government pays billions upon tens of billions of dollars private companies all the time. I mean, Amazon is massively subsidized by the government. So is SpaceX. So are so many companies. I mean, there's so many companies that are

subsidize with the U.S. government. I mean, is that socialism? Well, yeah, kind of. Yeah, sort of. I mean, you know, if suddenly the government is a relevant customer, you know, even the dominant customer of a particular enterprise, that's socialistic. And I think that needs to be decried, too. So there's nothing unique about what Trump is doing here. I'll say a second point, which I would be curious about your response to this. Again, I'm against this. On the other hand, would it be better for the U.S. government to just no strings attached bail out entail? Here's your billions of tens of billions of dollars do with what you want. I mean, is that a better solution where you're throwing good money after bad all the time? On the other hand, and what Trump's trying to

do, and I kind of get it, if taxpayers are going to be on the hook for this company, then And then taxpayers also need to have some stakeholder relationship with the company. And, yeah, it's not taxpayers directly. It's the public purse. But maybe it's winning an investment. I mean, it's hard to know in advance. The Intel seems like a losing company, but maybe this investment works. Again, I don't like this, but number one, it's hardly new.

and is it arguably an improvement over just throwing good money after bad with no strings attached? I don't know. I just, it's an argument worth having. And I think let's have that argument because I actually think you nailed it. That's where I am. Look, let's start with the fruit of the poisonous tree. Let's start with the original sin. And that is the government playing a game of picking winners and losers when it comes to private industry, which we've been doing for quite some time.

of course everybody's most famous examples when we bail out the banks in 2009 but we do it all the time and it's not just tax credits it's subsidies we subsidize industries and we have been for quite some time was that a step toward socialism yeah it was and we continue to do it and it again it's not just tax subsidies it is grants we literally grant money to companies for development for whatever it may be and one could argue and Rand Paul should argue at that point that is socialism But here's the, much like the flag burning, reading underneath the headline of what has actually been done with Intel. The United States government was granting billions and billions of dollars of money to Intel. It was going in the form of government grants.

As you point out, that's a no-strings-attached gift of money of the American taxpayer. This has been converted into a 10% equity stake for the American taxpayer. Now, it's a minority interest for the United States government. As I understand it, they don't have any board representation and they're not going to have any big voting interest. They simply have converted the government. into something that has an upside for the American taxpayer. Instead of giving away our money while they pick winners and losers, maybe our debt and deficit can be reduced or our tax coffers benefit from the upside of an investment

in Intel. I don't like it philosophically and principally, but that philosophy and principle has been long, it's long in the rearview mirror. It's like way past. And this just seems like a better deal for the taxpayer. Well, I completely agree with everything you just said. I think you and are on the same page on this country. You know, but it was the same way with the railroads in the 1860s,

and this stuff began a long time ago with US government investing in certain companies in what they perceived with the national interest. I take Amtrak all the time. I'm sure you do also. If you spend any time in the Northeast Corridor, Amtrak is a great blessing. Well, I mean that that's a government investment.

Would it exist without government? You know, I don't know. It's an empirical question. I don't really know. But I'm sort of, I'm against all these kind of things. On the other hand, let's not act as if there's no precedent for it. And I'm not sure if maybe, maybe what Trump is doing here is an improvement over what has been the long tradition, which is to throw away taxpayer money on losing companies in the game of subsidizing him.

There's another factor here, too, that you and I should mention, which is that there is a perception of a national a security issue behind this bit behind this Intel investment. Look, China is cleaning our clock and many other countries on on these advanced technology investments. The U.S. has definitely fallen behind. The COVID period assured that was going to be true forever for reasons we can talk about some other time, but that sort of secured it. The U.S. is behind.

This is an attempt by Trump to bolster American industry for mainly for purposes of, I don't know, national greatness, but there also is an element here of perceived national security. I can disagree with that, but you know, that is the rationale, that is the thinking. Here again, it's just exactly like the flag thing. It's best to calm down, look at the details, consider the options that are on the table, not comparison of my utopia and your utopia against some, you know, ghastly dystopia, right? But let's look at the practicalities on the ground and do a rational assessment thing of it. And in this case, you know, I'm not prepared to say that this intel strategy is on its face

evil and absurd compared to what the alternatives would be in the real world. Well, one of the reasons I wanted to have you on was over the past week, Jeffrey, I've just been wondering where we are in the economy. And I've wondered it on two fronts. This will be a final thing we get to here together today. But first of all, so far, everything that's happened in the economy has defied economic predictions. And I mean that basically across the board, whether or not you're a conservative, a libertarian, a liberal, a progress. when it comes to the economy, almost everyone agreed that tariffs would cause inflation. Tariffs would crush the economy eventually. It simply has not happened. We've had some small

increases, I believe, in the producer price index, the PPI instead of the CPI. And it makes you wonder, okay, first, it makes me think two things, Jeffrey. First, it does make me sort of go back and go, have our first principles been wrong. Economics is an art. It's not a science. And every smart economist has ever said that. Like, you're trying to project the billions of decisions by hundreds of millions of consumers every day. That's what economics is. But then separately, I got to have dinner with a lot of really big corporate CEOs recently, and they weren't being political at all. They were just saying the following.

They're really concerned about the fourth quarter of 2025 and the first quarter of 2026. they do think that companies are exhausting inventories. They front-loaded a lot of orders before the tariffs really kicked in, whether that be from China or wherever else. They're now exhausting inventories. They are passing some on to the consumer. They're eating a lot of the inflation right now. But there's concern at some point the prices will go up.

It will happen in the – their concern was fourth quarter and in first quarter next year. You're going to see prices go up and then you're going to see consumer demand go down. So where do you think we are in the economy? I'm going to answer the tariff question first and then I'd like to get to inflation. But on the tariffs, I'm a free trader, but I myself began to get concerned when all my friends started screaming, Armageddon was on its way. When the tariffs were bumped up here and there along the way, it's an empirical question how these things are going to flesh themselves out. There is no living human being that has experience with tariffs like this. Right? The last time we tried anything like this was back in 1932 with Smoot-Hawley Terrace,

and a lot of people blamed that for the Great Depression. But, you know, you get this model in your head, and you go, oh, look, this happened. I think this is covered in Ferris Bueller's Day Off even, right? I mean, Smoot-Hawley came along, and then we had a great depression. So if Trump increased the tariffs, we're going to have a great depression. It's going to be the end of the world. Well, that didn't happen. The reason it didn't happen is because the profit margins were so much bigger on international trade

than they are on domestic production. And so those margins, which have been reduced, which is the whole point of the tariffs, that's why they put them in, was to help settle international accounts. Yes, the importers are eating them. The companies are eating them, and they for the most part have not been passed on to consumers,

which you could have anticipated if you took the time to look at the huge differential that separates the margins for international production versus domestic production. You see what I mean? So, so I, a decrying wolf is not usually the best strategy to advance your theory, you know, because now if in next year we start to see tariff-based increases in prices, you know, who's going to be listening to the free traders the next time around? So there's that. Next topic, inflation. If you want to comment on my comments on tariffs, go ahead.

no i think i think it's it's there but for the grace of god go i to your point there's no human being that knows exactly how this stuff plays out i i don't know but i guess i listen when somebody says hey here's the bottom line there are some things that we cannot onshore we cannot even with 12 months and 24 months we can't build a factory and we can't do it as cheaply as we are doing it over there and so there are some things that are going to have to remain whatever those are components in your iPhone, whatever that is, you know, circuit breakers and cell phone towers, whatever it is. Those things are going to have to be produced somewhere else. And those things, prices are going to go up. And therefore, everyone's prices are going to go up. That

concerns me when I hear. And maybe everyone has their own vested interest in a conversation. Maybe they're trying to protect their own profit margin. They're all, by the way, pretty honest about their main concern is uncertainty. Just don't know. Don't know. They wish there was some certainty. And that's true. The economy runs uncertainty. Uncertainty is bad. for the economy. But I guess I was pretty concerned to hear about their predictions for later this year. Yeah, yeah, I get it. And I don't think we should dismiss them. Again, I'm a free trader. I know a lot of small businesses, importers that have been seriously harmed by these tariffs, which I think some of them are misguided, really. And I don't really believe the theory that you can

substitute, you know, just impose tariffs and cause international settlement to happen the way it did back in the Great, the Britain Wood States. I'm not really on board of that theory. But, yeah, we just need to be careful, be empirical. Think about this very carefully. So far, the inflation we're seeing, and it is getting hotter. It is. It's not good.

The CPI looks bad. PPI looked actually quite alarming. But it's not a tariff-based push in prices. This seems for all the world to look like a monetary issue, because we're now back where we were four years ago in terms of overall monetary aggregates. We're pushing Powell to lower interest rates, right? That's what we're currently pushing Powell to lower interest rates, which would juice inflation, right? That's what it historically does.

Well, I really want to leave you with this. I am very, very concerned about a second wave of inflation. Think about that because this is what happened in the 70s, right? We had three waves. What if we just bent through one wave? This is, I think, has to be a priority of the Trump administration. You cannot have a second wave of inflation. It will destroy Trump's second term.

It will wreck everything at the midterms, and it will discredit the entire Republican Party if this happens. It should be stopped. And I think Powell is right to resist Trump's pushes for lower interest rates. I think that's dangerous. He's looking at it like a businessman borrowing money.

Give me a better rate. All right, that's not what the central bank does. central bank does. What the central bank does when it lowers interest rates is start flooding money and credit out into the macro economy again and creating the conditions that we're going to that could unleash the second wave. I think this is potentially catastrophic and I hope that somebody that the Trump administration has listened to me right now, do not disregard this danger. It is legitimate, you know, for all the good that Trump administration has done, If we face the second wave of inflation, it will all be undone and discredit everything else

that they're doing. So I'd love Trump to back off these demands. I like what they're doing right now with firing the Fed governor, by the way. I think this is good fun. I like this. It's great fun to watch. But this demand for power to lower rates right now, lower than they are, in real terms, they're not actually that high?

You know, once you look at the real interest rate, it's not high. It's running about 1.7. that's just not too high in real terms. I think this is very dangerous. A loose credit threatens to demolish everything else that Trump is doing. And it concerns me very, very much. All right. Before we go, that is ominous as well. And I think that is, again, there but for the grace of God go I in my humility on predicting things. But I do share your concern there. And I do think you're right. Inflation could disrupt everything. days, you have an update.

Jeffrey Tucker asked how many pull-ups should the average American male be able to do. What is our update on pull-ups? So sources, we'll call them, say, the general adult male population should be able to do five to 13 reps of pull-ups. Five to 13 reps. Is that, but that's general adult male. Then there's the sedentary on-trained men is zero to three. Okay, but wait a minute.

Zero to three for the sedentary. What do people in real life? do i mean one in how many uh adult males can do uh three pullups do we do we know that what do you have anybody have a guess i'm gonna say it's one in like well i'll do the math i got to say five thousand it said sedentary okay sedentary so the sedentary male could do zero to three i would guess what percentage of the population you think would qualify as sedentary i mean it's got to do you think it's 75 percent i think it could be like Oh, and by the way, Will, there's a huge difference between zero and three.

Right? I mean, what is this? Zero means zero. Three. Wow. There's a huge difference between zero and one. You know, like the guy that can't do any, one seems like climbing Everest. So I hear you, Jeffrey.

All right. Jeffrey Tucker, the president of the Brownstone Institute. Check out his book, Spirits of America. up. On the semi-Quincennial. Could you make it a more pretentious and difficult word, Jeffrey? I know, right? That's really outrageous. Outrageous. I'm sure working. Come back. Touch grass, Jeffrey. Put your codiac in. Touch grass. Talk to us. All right. I love talking to Jeffrey Tucker. Okay. Take care of Jeffrey. Thank you. There he goes. Jeffrey Tucker of the Brownstone Institute. Okay. Coming up. We

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I want to, so much has come out of Virginia, Loudoun County. So many issues that led to, for example, really the election of Glenn Yonkin as governor of Virginia. So many issues that had been a big part, for example, of Moms for Liberty and Heritage Action. And it was a shocking moment yesterday, or it was reported yesterday, that a lady, gray-haired lady, at a Winsome Sears event, she held up a sign that said, hey winsome if trans can't use your bathroom then blacks can't use my water fountain now we reported on that pretty extensively here yesterday if you're watching on youtube or facebook you can see the shocking sign that was held up today a man named mark broklauski who is a member of the vice chair for rules for virginia democrats he posted the following he said what happened in Arlington wasn't just about a meeting. It was about the climate Winsom Sears is creating one where contempt is currency and neighbors are turned against each other. Abigail Spanberger is running on something stronger, a Virginia where we solve problems, not invent enemies.

What he's saying, Tiffany, is that sign in that climate? Well, that's Winsom Sears' fault. Absolutely outrageous. I mean, honestly, Will, it's like a joke. When I saw that sign, I couldn't believe it. Democrats today are not progressives, as they say. I don't know what progress they're taking us to. It's the most regressive stereotypes ever that we have ever seen in the history of the United States,

this idea that women shouldn't be allowed to have private spaces or play on our sports teams, that black people shouldn't be able to use public spaces freely like white people. I mean, I thought we, you know, Brown versus Board of Education, desegregation in public spaces, and yet here we are with Democrats holding up a sign like that. It's just insulting. And when you look at what a leader winsome has been in her life and now as lieutenant governor running for governor, the idea that this is somehow her fault is a joke. Yeah, she's a military veteran. It's really ugly.

It's just really, I know we talk about all the things that we played sound today from the summer meeting of the Democratic National Committee with things like land acknowledgments and dismissing the currents of Americans when it comes to crime. And that's all to service, you know, or illustrate, hey, look how out of touch these people are. But it really also was just so ugly. You know, there was this video, Tiffany, yesterday, from a pride parade in Canada. Now, it's Canada, okay, Ottawa. And the pride parade ran into, like physically, ran into some type of Palestinian parade. And they had a confrontation. And it was tense.

And the pride parade got canceled because the Palestinians were like, no, we're here. It's not even about the fact that the Palestinians almost certainly were against everything that is stood for by the people in that pride parade. but more about like my issue is more important than your issue, and it just gets all so ugly. They normally come together. That's how you get queers for Palestine. I remember I was doing an interview with Al Jazeera once, and they were giving us a hard time about a lot of the pornographic books that were in the libraries. There was a lot of sexual orientation being covered in the books as young as kindergarten. I didn't care whether it was straight or gay sexual orientation. It was just the fact that adults were talking to kids about sex.

And the guy from Al Jazeera was giving me a hard time about some of our concerns, and I looked at her. And I said, so if you're gay in Qatar, you'll be killed. You can't. This is where you're stationed. He actually ended the interview at that point. But what we've seen across the United States is the fact that the issue is never the issue. Yeah, he ended the interview. He was very mad at me.

The issue was never the issue with these people. The issue is always the revolution. I think it's been shocking for Americans to see what's been happening on the college campuses, the anti-Israel sentiment. A lot of these young people, they don't know any of the answers to any of the questions about the fight in Israel or Gaza. So from the river to the sea, what that actually means? They just know that they're standing against the United States

or would they see that as something that's virtuous to do. What's happening in Virginia is really shocking. Glenn Yonkin won an election, as you said, over what happened. Tanner Cross, that teacher, if you remember who got up and said, I'm not going to use the wrong pronouns for students in my classroom. Scott Smith, who we all remember was arrested after his daughter was raped by a student who thought that they were transgender in the bathroom. So Glenn Yonkin did win that election.

Now we have win some Sears running, and it's like Virginians have forgotten where they were only a few years ago. And as I know you've talked about before, you have situations still in Virginia where the Department of Education is going to be withholding funding because of Title IX regulations, boys who can't have private spaces now. There was a girl in their bathroom filming them. So it just feels like this is America is being tested again. Virginia is being tested. And it's going to be very important for those Trump voters. that came out, that voted for Glenn Yonkin, that voted for Trump to come out in this election and show the Democrats that this is not the way forward in America.

Yeah, Virginia is a mystery to me, Tiffany. Like, here we have, I mean, a quasi-southern state, meaning conservative in its culture. And I know it's purple. I know that it votes both ways. But the stories that come out of Virginia feel like the stories that should be coming out of San Francisco. The stories that come out of Loudoun County feel like the stories that should be coming out of Seattle. battle. And it's kind of hard for me to wrap my mind around what's going on Virginia. You just referenced this, by the way. I think you did. Virginia Attorney General Jason Miaris, he is going

after Roanoke College for a violation of the Virginia Human Rights Act because they have retaliated against an NCAA swimmer for vocally defending their rights of female-only swim team. I'm going to read from the document here. You can see it if you're watching on YouTube or on Facebook. I'll read The college's policies forces women participating in sex-separated sports to compete against individuals with the biological advantages of male puberty, and it deprives those women of accommodations, advantages, and privileges made to others on the basis of sex. The Virginia Human Rights Act requires that biological males be excluded from competitive women's sports at the collegiate level. And then finally, this office finds sufficient evidence to support reasonable cause that Roanoke College retaliated, against female swimmers by rejecting them from the May term travel courses for speaking out against the college's discriminatory policies.

So it's like, okay, voters have their say. Yonkin has his laws. These people in Loudoun County or Rona colleges, they're committed to this insanity. They are committed to the insanity, and apparently they didn't pay attention to what happened with University of Pennsylvania, where they actually had to issue an apology to all of the girls that they forced to be in the locker room with William Thomas and to compete against him. Paula Scanlan, I'm sure you've spoken to before.

Talked about the embarrassment of having to be in a locker room and change in front of a man. Apparently Roanoke College hasn't gotten the message yet. I'm not sure how many universities are going to have to go down the same path, but the message is clear. Americans don't want this. So we keep asking ourselves and maybe you have the answer,

why do Democrats keep pushing these woke ideologies on Americans? And it's gonna be very important, again, that we stand up and go and have our voices heard at the ballot box so they know and hear us that this isn't going to fly in our states. So I'm going to try to answer that question. I think the Democrats are driven by two guiding lights, two psychological motivations, both grounded in their own individual identity. One is simple.

It's simply a reaction to Donald Trump. If Donald Trump is for peace, then I am for war. If Donald Trump is for order, then I am for crime. regardless of the position and regardless of hypocrisy or past positions held, you have to be in opposition to Donald Trump. And you believe, or at least you give voice to the belief, that you think he is the reincarnation of Hitler, that you believe he is taking us down an authoritarian state and you are the defender of democracy. Alternatively, I think the other guiding light is, again, psychologically a self-validation, seeing the world through the lens of oppressor and oppressed, that there are always, a group of people out there who are under the bootheel of a majority, even if they are the majority and it is the minority that is under the boot heel. It doesn't really matter. They

believe they are the defender of the minority. It is empathetic in its appearance, but it's self-validating in its actualization. That's why it's psychologically about themselves. It makes them feel good about themselves to be the champion of the downtrodden. And the downtrodden is a shifting thing. And the problem with this philosophy, oppressor and oppressed lends itself to identity politics is you have what you and I've talked about, a collision of identities. Eventually you will have a collision of identities. One day you will have the Palestinians and the pride parade facing off against one another in the streets. One day you will have a lady saying black people can't drink from my white water fountain because they think they're championing the trans.

And that is my best. Tim's at an answer, Tiffany. I think that the real, oppressed people in the United States of America right now are the children who aren't learning to read in our schools. So as we're having these conversations, as boys are going into girls' locker rooms, as kids, women are not having the ability to compete in sports. We have kids all over the United States, and Virginia is not an outlier here, but in Maryland too, some of the most woke areas of the United States are bedroom communities of Washington, D.C. and the administrative state, these kids aren't learning to read. Well, 75% of kids in America's public school systems aren't reading on grade level. And so, you know, we look back to that sign that was held. One of the questions that I've asked is, when in the history of the United States have we seen the intentional breakdown of the family and also people intentionally not being taught how to read?

And that's slavery. And that's where we're going back with our kids who are not going to have a chance in life to lead independent lives, to have jobs, to own a home, to be independent. They're going to be slaves to a government that's going to make choices for them. They won't be able to make their own choices. And so now is the time to stand up. I say to Virginia, I say to Winston, I say to Winston Sears, I know Virginia is for lovers, they say, Virginia should be for readers.

The best thing that Winsome could do that anyone running for office right now in Virginia could do would be to speak directly to parents who are concerned about their kids' future that want education to get back to the basics. It's what won Glenn Young in that election, and I really believe if Winsome can motivate the parents to get out there and vote for her, if we can get back to the basics, in Virginia education, then we can make Virginia great again. All right. Virginia is for lovers.

Virginia needs to get its head on straight, though, be for thinkers as well and be for readers to your point and start getting their act together because the fight is not done, clearly, with just the election of Glenn Yonkin. All right, Tiffany Justice, she is the executive vice president of Heritage Action, and we love having you on the show today. Thank you, Tiffany. Thank you. Get out there and vote.

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