Will Cain Country - Revisiting Enes Kanter Freedom And His Stand Against China's Human Rights Violations

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

Will is off this week but wanted to revisit his news making conversation with outspoken former NBA player Enes Kanter Freedom. Kanter Freedom shared his journey to becoming an American citizen, plus shared the revelation that one of LeBron James' teammates told him to keep calling out China over their human rights issues while James and the NBA work closely with the country.  It's an inspiring tale of one man who is proud to become an American and stand up for its' principles.    Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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who's made a big point of focusing in on the plight of Muslim Uyghurs, of the Chinese Communist Party, of the hypocrisies of Joe Biden, the Democratic Party. We thought it'd be great to revisit our conversation with Enos Canter Freedom. Ennis Canter Freedom, man, it's been quite some time that I've seen you in person, and we've got to talk a few times over the airwaves on Fox News. But I don't think I've got to sort of man-to-man say this yet, but congratulations on becoming an American citizen. Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

First of all, thank you for inviting me. And second, finally, you know, actually, it's crazy. I just got my passport in the mail yesterday, literally just yesterday. And last time I had a passport, it was like five years ago, and it was revolted by the Turkish government but now finally you got it so how does it feel in us to be an american oh man remember first time coming to you know america that was my dream i was actually sold uh one of my team and it was like listen man this this this country's amazing you know it gives you everything you need to become the best person and best anything you want to be and i was like i want to be a part of this

And he's like, well, I mean, all you have to do is just apply for a green card. After you've got that, you're going to become a citizen. I was like, well, that's my dream and finally happened this year. You know, Innes, I lived in New York for like 15 years. And one of the advantages of living in New York is you get to know people from many different walks of life and every different places in the world. And I remember talking to a couple, friends of ours, who the husband was South African and the wife was Italian. And, of course, South Africa and Italy are countries with advanced economies, and there's many things you can do in the world. You can achieve wealth and some measure of freedom.

But yet, they talked about what it meant to become an American. And one of the things they said that surprised me, and I hadn't really considered as a born and raised American, was, yeah, in a cliched way, it is that sense you can do anything. But when you really press them on, well, can't you do that in Italy? Can't you do that in England? The answer was maybe by law, but by culture, there's certain things that limit you. In other words, if your dad did this for a living, there's an expectation you will do that for a living. Or even class in a place like England, you won't move from class to class. So when you first came to America and you had this idea, what would you say, like what is it that somebody like myself who was born in a small town in Texas and lived in America their whole life?

And you having grown up in Switzerland and Turkey, what is it that I don't get? that you've experienced that makes it special or unique to be an American? I actually have a very funny story. I actually told us to media a few times, but I remember coming to America for the first time, I was going to a prep school in a semi-vali in California. And I remember something, it was back in 2009

and something happened. And one of my friend posted something on his Facebook about the president, right? And I saw it. I was like, dude, what are you doing? And he was like, well, I was like, you are criticizing the president. The police going to come and take you to prison. And he's turned around.

He started laughing, like, really hard. And he's like, dude, don't worry about this. It's not Turkey. This is America. And I just like, I couldn't understand what he's like trying to say. I was like, what do you mean? So he tried to explain it to me about what is freedom of speech, feeling of expression, freedom of religion.

freedom of press because where I grew up in Turkey, right? It's a wild story. I tell us to people people don't like, it's so hard to even believe it. I have a manager and my manager is married with a Turkish woman. And my manager's wife's dad liked one of my posts on Twitter. He was in jail for 14 days just because of he liked one of my posts on Twitter. So I come, I'm coming from a country where you, when you are criticizing the government, your passport going to be revoked, your name's going to be on an interpolist, you know, they're going to pretty much declare you as like the enemy of the state, terrorists, and everything to, like, destroy your image just because of you're criticizing the government, right? I have 10 arrests warning for me

less than four years just because of what I talk about the issues are happening in Turkey. I often have a conversation with my teammates and I'm trying to tell my teammates, I'm like, I understand like there are so many obviously problems that are happening, not just in Turkey, but all over the world, America included, but you guys should feel blessed to be in this situation, you know, feel very lucky and blessed because there are rules and laws, there are checks and balances. So it's like people need to understand, like, how lucky and they shouldn't take it for granted because this is the best country that they can live in. You know, and there's a lot of things I want to talk to you about today.

I want to talk about Black Lives Matter. I want to talk about the Uyghur population in China. I want to talk about China and its relationship with the NBA. And I want to talk about Turkey. But I also want to start with this. You're in a difficult position, but a position you've chosen to be in. And for that matter, you've chosen to be in some difficult positions for the better part of a decade. But right now, the choice you're making,

to speak out, to speak out, for example, against LeBron, against the NBA, the choice to appear on Tucker Carlson, maybe the choice to appear with me today on a Fox News podcast, put you in a difficult spot. Yeah. Because I see the article's written about you by people at the nation or Jamel Hill at the Atlantic. I see the criticism. I talked to you in the past on air about potentially what it's like in the locker room. But before we get into each and every one of those issues, I kind of want to be.

to ask you, what is your purpose? What are you doing? Why are you speaking out? What are you hoping to help people to understand? Why are you choosing to put yourself in this position where one could say there's not a great win out of this for Ennis Cantor Freedom? You know, even like when I go to, you know, Congress and I go to like once every like a couple of months, I literally sit down and talk to everybody. And people are like often very shocked about about like, okay, you talk about freedom. You're going to me with this guy. You're going to me with that guy.

I mean, I go and meet with, you know, like Kevin McCarty. And next day I go meet with Adam Schiff. And next day I go talk to Mitch McConnell's office. And next day I go with this office, that office, right? So, like, I think what I'm trying to do is there is an amazing message out there. Right. And I want every part, every part of the country to hear this story, hear about what's going on. And when I'm like, I'm even telling this to my teammates, I'm like, listen, I don't do politics.

I'm a basketball player. I don't understand politics. I'm with politicians every day. Yes, that's true. I'm talking to them every day. We are trying to come up with some ideas to how to stop tyranny all over the world. That is true. but I don't do politics.

I do human rights. There's a difference. There's a big difference, you know? So when people see me, we're talking to this, you know, politician, both sides, Democrats and Republicans. People are telling me, dude, focus on your game. You do too much politics.

And I'm like, when did I ever say we should vote for this guy? We should vote for this guy. No. So my message is, you know, it doesn't matter. I mean, I go sit down and talk to anybody. Like you said, Tucker Carlson, Wolf Poetzer, I go to MSNBC, I go to Fox, I go do it. The thing is, I want every part of America or the world to hear the story that I'm telling, you know, because everyone needs to hear this story.

And obviously, I mean, those criticism is going to come with it because when you are obviously picking one side, I'm watching. I'm not picking a side. When you are, you know, decided to go on an air with the right wing, the left is when I get mad. When, if you do the opposite, then, you know, the other side when I get mad. But my thing is, like, I never go on the air and pick your side. I go on the air and say, listen, you look at all my interviews. We go out, I go out there and say, listen, there are so many human rights violations are happening everywhere in the world, you know, and we should stand up for it. And if one of the organizations, associations, companies, players, or whoever, celebrities are not doing it, we need to hold them accountable. And that is my message. And I want every part of the country to hear this message. So criticism, I could care less, you know.

Obviously, I have, I mean, they have their freedom. They can just say whatever they want to say. But my message is never changed. My message is to stand up for innocent people. That's it. Okay, instead of having this conversation go in the sort of chronological, organized fashion that I might have intended at the outset, wherein we would talk about your experience growing up in Turkey and what happened that you alluded to a few moments ago and having your passport revoked and being stateless for five to six years, which I do want to get to. Let's just pick up on the conversation of where it is right now. You say your purpose is to stand up for human rights.

Anywhere and everywhere, there is some type of tyranny suppressing human rights. your teammates and your critics, I don't mean to say your teammates, fellow members of the NBA, some and critics say you shouldn't be there for putting yourself in a position where you are talking to people like Tucker Carlson or perhaps Will Kane that they perceive to be on the opposite sides of a human rights issue in Black Lives Matter. By the way, Innes, I think they are wrong. And I've been open about that for my days at ESP. or on Fox News. Wrong in that I'm not opposed to human rights. Nah, wrong in that I'm not opposed to racial equality, but also wrong in what their estimation of what Black Lives Matter is specifically about. However, regardless of where I think they're wrong, they believe the issues of Black Lives Matter are a fundamental human rights issue today. And then they look at you and they say you're standing up for human rights in China. And on the issue as of most import to your friends, colleagues, and perhaps teammates in the league, you're putting yourself next to

people who stand in the way of Black Lives Matter. So what do you say to them when they say that to you? You know, I actually, you know, have a conversation with, you know, not just my teammates, but, you know, people around the league. And not just athletes in MBA, but like, you know, different, you know, you know, different, in different associations and different organizations. And I was like, I even told them, was like, listen, I can't, I understand, you know, in your views, in some people's views, this person could be a good person or bad person, but my message is never changed. Whenever I go, I appear on their show. I never say, oh, we should go for Republicans and this and that, no, I go on and talk about the human rights violations

are done by China, you know? And I understand, you know, they can put me in any category they want. But, you know, whenever I appear on Fox or CNN or MSNBC, my message never changed. And I even tell my teammates, I'm like, I understand, you know, you guys, you know, you guys might like this guy or you guys might hate this guy or you guys might love this guy. But like, I appear on their show to talk about what's right, you know. And I want every part of the nation to hear the story and hear about what's going on. That's how we've got to hold people accountable. That's how we're going to uphold NBA, NFL, companies like Nike or whoever accountable, you know.

I give everyone a chance. You know, I give everyone, it doesn't matter, you know, what people, think about them but the important thing is what I what I'm thinking about them you know what is what is what is your position on black lives matter I mean black lives matter when

two years ago you know we were in a bubble I believe yes you're in a bubble and what NBA not just NBA but the older players all these people you know stand up for I think it would

what they were doing right, and he gave me so much hope and motivation. That's what I am so, I just cannot believe when MBA or whichever organization is not standing up for all the abuses in China, because I'm like two years ago, you guys were calling yourself a social justice organization and social justice companies, but when it comes to China, you guys are remaining silence. So two years ago, when Black Lives Matter happened, right, and all the players, all MBA, did unbelievable job and they were standing up for what's right. And obviously we have a problem happening in our country and racism is maybe top of the list.

But that gave me so much hope. I'm like, wow, NBA is finally standing up for something bigger than basketball. But then it broke my heart two years later when Daryl Tweet something about it and MBA remained silent. And then my thing happened this year, NBIA was quite 100% that I was like. well something is not right so would you say then and I hear you on the hypocrisy and that's something I want to dig into more but specifically when it comes to Black Lives Matter then would you say you are a supporter you're an ally you have disagreements what I'm getting at here is I think many people and I don't think it's always healthy to have to respond to every single one of your critics but you're again in a unique position because many of your colleagues I don't know if we should

And I like to remove arguments, Innes, from the arguer. So, in other words, I don't like the criticism of Innes Cantor appearing with Tucker Carlson based upon the perception of Eton Thomas or someone else of what their perception of Tucker Carlson is. Rather, let's just address the conversation that's being held. Let's talk about the position. So whatever reason, you know, many of your colleagues support Black Lives Matter. And so would you then describe yourself and what you described?

and I heard you on the hypocrisy point but as a supporter as an ally of them in their support of Black Lives Matter I remember you know like two years ago when the Black Lives Matter protests were happening I was the third one in a whole league

we have almost 500 players I was the third one in a league you know came to my city and actually drove from Chicago came to my city in Boston I protested with my city peaceful you know and that's where I stand still.

And what about, and I hope you'll, and I think you're very prepared for an interview friendly or confrontational. You're appearing with politicians. And I think you and I have a whole world of agreement. But if you ever saw me on ESPN, you know I'm going to go towards disagreement. I'm attracted to it. Because I want to see where your thoughts are, man. I want to see what you've thought through and, and where you are. So you went to the Black Lives Matter protest and you supported it right away. But again, what your critics would say. say is when you say something like, because I've read your critics, by the way, when you say something like you should appreciate this country, you don't know how good you have it and how bad

it can be out there, for example, in China or in Turkey, they think you're diminishing the plight of those who support Black Lives Matter. So what I meant by it is let me just make it very clear what I, I mean, I said it like beginning of our conversation. Obviously, America having her own problem. That is true. But still, it is not as bad as Venezuela, North Korea, Belarus, Iran, Turkey, China. And I can go on and on and on, right? I mean, obviously, there are problems that happen here in America. But still, we shall be blessed to be in this situation because you have freedom of speech, religion, expression, and prayer press.

You know? So, yes, that is not a question. in every country having their own problem in America, too. I'm included in America. But what I said, what I meant by it is, you know, you can criticize, you should criticize your government to hold it accountable, but at the same time, you still need to understand it. You are very blessed to be in a country like America.

You know, I pray that what you just said can find its way to open ears. But I just, I worry because I think it's sort of, we live in an age, today where you have to accept something whole cloth. And whether or not that's on, you know, your vaccine position or on your support for Black Lives Matter, if you deviate on a single prong of the platform, you become an enemy, you become an anti-vaxxer, you become a racist. And, you know, I'll be honest, my position is, is well known, but I always feel compelled to clarify it because I don't feel like it does fall on open ears, Enis. I think it falls on closed ears because I don't parrot every single prong on the platform. I don't support Black Lives Matter.

I support racial equality, and I think Black Lives Matter is not in support of racial equality. I don't think it's looking for it, and it's pretty honest about it. It talks about racial equity, which is very different from equality. And I feel like the entire conversation from the beginning has been built upon a dishonesty. And that is that unarmed black men are being gunned down in the street, and it's painted this picture of America that does not exist. However, there is racism in America. That's not a denial of racism. That's not to pretend that this country is flawless.

We have many hurdles in our past, and even those that exist in our present, that we have to overcome. But I don't think pursuing a policy that is, in my mind, racist, that's what racial equity is, is going to solve our problem. I don't think you solve racism with racism. I think you have to pursue true equality, and that's looking at people as individuals and their character and their merits. But that's my position, and it has been for a long time, Eunice, and I can tell you this, it hasn't solved, it hasn't helped me avoid being called a racist. I don't feel like it's, I don't think it's landed on open ears. So I don't, I pray and I hope that your position lands on open ears. In fact, let me just ask you that.

Do you think it has? How, I asked you this in a short Fox and Friends interview. How is your relationship with your teammates? My relationship with my team is amazing. You know, obviously some of the, you know, interviews that I have done, we definitely sit down and had a conversation with them. Like when I sat on soccer Carlson, that, you know, people should stop criticizing their government

and feel really blessed. And they asked me about, like, what do you mean by that? And I explained to them, I was like, listen, you know, obviously America having their own problem. I'm not denying, right? But at the same time, we should be blessed to be a situation. Also, I made a comment about vaccination, which I was like, yes, everyone should get vaccinated.

I have a vaccine to stay alive. And I have sit down with one of my teammates and had a conversation. I don't want to give his name right now, but had a conversation. And he basically called me out and was like, listen, you just change your last thing. That is what you are said on that interview is everything you ate, against everything you stand for. And I stopped for a second. I think I was like, you know what, you're right. You know, people should obviously vaccine, yes, you know, save lives and, you know, it'll help.

and everything. But people should have freedom to choose if they want to get a vaccinated or not. It's when I said they shouldn't. You know, when I said it should be a mandate or everyone should get vaccinated and save lives. It just stands everything I ever like against. You know what I mean?

So I was like, he called me out. And I started to listen. I was like, you know what? you're right you just changed my mind i appreciate that so you know so i like that about you can i can i say i mean from a distance and again we've only spoken a few times but i've read about you as well you do seem open to changing your mind in fact your entire position on china seems to be predicated on this woman you say approached you and asked you hey what the hell you're making a big deal about turkey but you're doing nothing for your muslin brothers in china and i appreciate your willingness to be

open-minded. But let me follow up on that for a second. Hey, is the Vax issue a big deal in NBA locker rooms? You certainly painted a story right there of at least one teammate. You don't have to tell me his name, as you point out. But, you know, is this, is this, is this a big issue for players across the NBA, this vaccine mandate? Um, I mean, over 90, I believe 5% of players are vaccinated. Yes. True. But like, I am vaccinated. I got triple vaccinated. I even got the booster. and last 11 days today actually was my first day out of quarantine last 11 days i was in my house so i was like if i was going to do this then why did i get the vaccine so like wait why were you

in quarantine did you test positive i test it positive after um a booster shot you test after getting a booster shot i tested positive and last 11 days i was in quarantine and today is my first day out. I actually, for the first time, I joined the team and practiced with the team today. So last, since December 23rd before Christmas, I was, I was quarantined in my house. How do guys feel about, I believe there's a booster mandate coming to the NBA as well. So as you pointed out, you might be 90% vaccinated, but that number is about to go down with the booster requirement. I don't think so. I know players, they cannot do no mandate. I believe because players are going to stand up and say this is against freedom.

And I know some of my really close friends around the league, there's no way you can make him do anything. Anything like that because that's their body and that's their choice, you know. But it just, I know for the coaches, for the assistant coaches and for the assistant coaches and for whoever is working for the organization, like the phone office and everybody, it is. uh you like you have to get it but for the players it's not a mandatory yet um i don't if they ever gonna do that i don't think they can um because you think guys would comply oh i mean there's no i mean i know some of the players like the one that i talk but there's no way you can make him do anything and that's his body and you have to respect it and that is he is the one i mean you have to be when you talk about some of the issues you have to be

you have to know what you know to listen people you have to you know just look around see what's going on you know you cannot just be stubborn about what you're come up with you know you have to just like talk to people and dad me talking to whom just changed my whole perspective you know all right we're going to step aside here for just a moment stay tuned book club on monday gym on tuesday night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday. Quiet night in on Friday. It's good to have a routine.

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Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast.com. So let me go back to the locker room with you for a moment. I'm fascinated by this as a sports guy, in addition to a guy that does news and politics, you know, I think human relationships in the end are probably the story of everything. And sports is the best microcosm in my mind, you may or may not agree with this, but as in my mind is the best little petri dish of experimentation in human relationships. Highly pressure-cooked environment, intimate, you know, locker room environment, small team coordination. You've told me that your teammates have been cool with you speaking out.

You've had to have a few conversations. Has anyone not been cool? Has there been one teammate, and you don't have to name them unless you want to? Has there been one teammate that's ostracized you? Or let's not talk about LeBron for a moment. We'll come to LeBron in a second. but has there been one player across the league who's been particularly obvious in his rejection of you because of the stances you've taken i'm trying to think because like all my teammates like Celtics teammates are got my back no matter what you know we sit down we have a conversation um they just want to know though like they're like okay like you are setting up for taiwanese people what's going on in taiwan or you standing up with uigur people tell you us about them. So if you talk, sit down and have a conversation with them, or even like

Turkey, you know, if we sit down and have a conversation, yes, they got my back no matter what. But I'm trying to think around the league, is there any player that ever reached out to me and said, no, there's actually not one player, not just in my locker room, but around the whole league, right? Or even, I'm going to tell you something crazy. I was playing against Lakers in Boston. I'm not going to give a name, right? One of the teammates that LeBron had came up to me and said, dude, keep doing what you're doing.

What you're doing is right. Don't give up. I was very shocked. I thought he's going to come and be like, dude, like, you know, stop talking. He's going to try to defend LeBron, right? He's like, dude, do not stop. You know, he said to me in a free throw line, he said, I have so much. things that I want to say, but I cannot because these teams got us, these team, if you want

another contract, if you want more endorsement deals, if you want other companies to work with you, you have to keep your mind shut. You cannot criticize the league, the companies, Nike or Foward, you know, or the players or superstars. But keep doing what you're doing. And I was just like, I was very happy that he said it. But same time, I'm like, dude, come on, man. Like, there's not one player that want to join. That made me, like, really sad. But even, like, you said, like, keep doing what you're doing, made me give me so much hope, you know?

Wow, and it was a Laker. It was a teammate of LeBron's. It was, yes, it was a Lakers teammate of LeBron. And I shouldn't say what was named because if I do it, if that gets out there, then he will be criticized and destroyed by the sports media. For what? Why? for what exactly that that's that's the sad thing about you know it just shame of all the sports

journalists out there seriously like they don't really know how to ask the right question or they just scare or they know or they're just scared to ask like if i'm going to ask a question to i don't know or lebron or anyone like i will just it just kills me when i listen to these you know interviews it just like there's a playbook and they just follow on the playbook and they just don't want to ask any question out of that playbook because they're scared and as if you sat down in front of lebron then what question would you ask i mean i will i will be very respectful first of all it's not like oh i'm i'm here to destroy you no i'm here to learn i'm here to learn i'm here to see what you're stemmed for because when all this, you know, Black Lives Matter happened,

all this protests happened, LeBron was one of the, you know, first player that went out there and said something like, what's going on in this country's wrong. And I was like, okay, I agree with you true, but what about when it comes to, you know, China, you are, you just signed a bill and LeBron is not the only one. Don't get me wrong. There are so many players out there. The reason I'm calling out like, you know, LeBron or MJ, it's not. because of their color, because people start to think that I'm racist because of I'm only calling this two athletes. No, people are wrong. The reason I'm calling out these two athletes is because of the position they're in, you know? So when you sit down and have a bill and sign your, put your

signature on a paper with these companies, hypocrites companies like Nike, right? Do a little research. Do see what they're doing over there, you know? So if I want to sit down and have a conversation, I'm like, listen, you're standing up for the things happening in America. But what about when it comes to China where you are making millions and millions of dollars because of your jersey sales, your shoe sales, your this and that, your endorsement deals, and you don't want to say anything about that. So what's your criticism of LeBron, that he is a social justice warrior by convenience, that he's a hypocrite?

What do you think of LeBron? I don't want to just call out LeBron because people are going to think that I'm racist. I'm not. This is not about color. is about I will call out any player that who are not standing up for if my brother wasn't you know standing off or the right thing I will call them out soon I don't care who you are you know the reason the reason my criticism is you know if you are calling yourself a social justice warrior player company organization association then when a question asks you we're like

okay what do you think about what's going in Hong Kong what do you think about the tweet that more to put it out there. Say it like how you feel. Don't think about your deals and your this and that. Just say it like how you feel. You know, don't hide anything. And I understand there are billions of dollars involved in every year MBA making, I don't know, like five, whatever billion dollars from China.

And that is true. But like, come on, man. If your mom, if your mother, if your daughter, if your dad was in concentration camps in Xinjiang, and getting torture and rape every day, we're just still to remain silent, you know? Think about that. So let's, first, I agree with you,

and I think I'm well on the record. Again, before I was overtly or openly in politics, when I was simply at ESPN talking sports, and we crossed over into sports and culture, and, you know, there were issues LeBron was weighing in on. I said, show some consistency. don't be a hypocrite. So I'm well on the record of agreeing with you. I also did not agree with my now colleague, Laura Ingram, who said, shut up and dribble. I do not believe in shut up and dribble because

that would apply to you as well. My position has always been speak up when you're educated on an issue to speak up on. And my criticism, LeBron, or anyone else, and it's not a criticism I have for you, but I would if you exhibit this characteristic, is being uneducated on an issue you're weighing in on. That's simply it. And then, by the way, My response won't be to shut up and dribble. My response would be, I'm going to destroy you in a debate or correct you on the record where you're wrong. So that's been my position. I think LeBron has been hypocritical.

But to your point, he's not the only one. He's just the most popular, most recognizable figure of the last several decades in the NBA. By the way, Innes, who's the best player in the NBA today? Good question. LeBron is definitely up there. I'm trying to think, I don't even pick Janus or LeBron or KD. Actually, you know what? I might pick KD right now.

But I'm going between like KD or, you know, LeBron or Janus. That's another issue I agree with you on. I think it's KD and then Janus. LeBron has fallen down the list a little bit. That's not to take away from his historical greatness, but it's KD's league right now. Well, with a small objection, obviously, from Janus. But back to the LeBron thing for just one moment. So I'm on the record of agreeing with you.

So now let me play devil's advocate with you for just a second. Let's think about LeBron's situation. Does this soften or change your position? People made the same argument, I think, with John Sina and others who have not calling out China because he's part of the Fast and Furious franchise, right? And they're making hundreds of millions, if not billions, in China. Is there an argument that LeBron, yes, clearly, there's two defenses of LeBron. Let's go through him one at a time.

One is when you're a guy like LeBron, you stand up for issues that are closest to home. You can't stand up for every issue across the world. In other words, he is black. He grew up experiencing in his estimation. Many of these issues that, for example, Black Lives Matter, they purport to stand up for. I disagree with that. But social justice to him means that which is closest to him, which is what he experienced. what happens in Turkey or in China is far away from him and he can't be responsible for standing

up for every issue across the world. What do you say to that defense of LeBron? I will say you sign what the biggest hypocrite company out there, Nike. You know, Nike stands up with Latino community, no Asian hate, LGBTQ, Black Prize Matter. But when it comes to China, they remain a sound. And every time you put those shoes on your feet and you wear that t-shirt on your back, right? There's much blood and sweat and expression on those items. So I understand you don't have to talk about, you cannot talk about every issue out there and I'm sure you're not educated about what's born in Venezuela or Cuba or Belarus, whatever. But when you are signing a hip-a-company like Nike, like I said, again, do a little research,

do learn about the slave labor camps, do it about concentration camps, do it about, you know, what how China is pretty much used in all those little kids out there to make your shoes so you can go out there and play basketball. Listen, I did not know, I didn't know any of this stuff till last summer. That one person had to call me out front of everybody and I was very embarrassed for a guy who's his second language still went to his hotel room and did research

about what's going on, right? Because I'm like, if I'm, I'll be wearing Nike almost my whole career. You know, all our jersey, the whole NBA is sponsored by Nike. So I'm like, if I'm want to wear these shoes and go out there, because as a kid, right, when I was a kid, when I watched NBA, the first thing I looked was not the NBA players. The first thing I look was they see what they're wearing. What kind of shoes, what color, if they're comfortable, what kind of, if they're Nike, Adidas, blah, blah, whatever. So if I'm going to put a shoes out there and go out there and play and let all these kids see my shoes.

right i have to do some research about it so so i think that's not just uh perfectly reasonable i think that's the in my estimation that is the right response you you don't get to say that what's happening in china is far away from you because you're profiting on what's happening far away from you but but that okay i want to be fair now i want to extend this nike is not the only company involved with china and nike is not the only american corporation who's even had business tentacles reach into the areas specifically where there is Uyghur population who is being put into concentration camps. One of those other companies who is conducted, for example, I believe the NBA has been in business

with China and that is a business, for example, that Enos Cantor Freedom is involved with. And so where do you draw the line? I mean, it can't just be LeBron and Nike, right? Your employer is also involved with China, as is, by the way, for that matter, I'm carrying an iPhone, right? So Apple is involved with China. So where do you draw the line on somebody's responsibility to take a stand if they're in business with China? Obviously, I feel like if you want to talk about a larger, you know, the thing, you know, the thing, you have to look at like the first thing like Wall Street. Like you have to look at, you know, big time, Hollywood, Disney. And you have to

look at the Congress, local Congress, academics and stuff. So these are the head of the snake. So, and then it goes to companies, and like you said, Apple actually just bought a phone. It's a flip-flop phone. If you want to open the camera, I can show it to you, till I find a phone that has nothing to do with any kind of slave labor. I'm going to try to use that one. You know, I just actually just bought it. Well, I think the NBA, the other thing, yes, NBA is like last year, I looked at numbers.

more people watch NBA in China than whole American population over 400 million whatever like a crazy crazy amount of people but I feel like I am I'm playing for this league right I feel like if I want to hold this league

accountable I have to be part of this league I cannot just say okay you know what screw this I'm out of this you guys are hypocrites organizations and I'm out of this then I will lose my platform and no one's going to you know take whatever I say, I guess, as important. But the important thing is people going to see how much of a risk that you're taking.

You are still part of this league, right? And you're still calling out this league and going out there and saying what you guys doing is wrong. And we need to hold these people accountable, organizations. And what kind of environment has that created for you inside the NBA? I mean, you're calling out your employer. And, you know, look, calling out, uh, I'm trying to think of a parallel. Colin Kaepernick wasn't, he was calling out the NFL as he made a protest, but he was also calling

out society at large. It didn't go well. There's many reasons Colin Kaepernick is not in the NFL today. But by the way, some of those are going to apply to you in this. Let's be real. Like, companies make a calculation. Companies make a calculation. Is your reward worth the risk?

Is your payoff worth the headache and the burden? We just saw this past weekend. The answer for Antonio Brown, at least for now, is no. once again he's an incredibly talented NFL wide receiver whose headache is bigger than his talent pays off Colin Kaepernick's ability on the football field did not outweigh the headache he caused for his employer for the business and that's why he ended up not in the league look man you know this is not a criticism of you this is state you're getting 12 minutes a night right now right on average I think you know um how old are you know you in your 30s right 29 okay so I don't know

you could play for you could easily play for another five or six years but at the same time the league is going to be making a calculation do i want what i'm getting from in this on the court wait against him calling out this exact business off the court so what kind of position does that put you in your career really honestly oh even over the short term over the next year two i uh i looked at so this summer right i did not go out at all i was in my hotel room and doing research. And I really did really deep research about all the people who are being, you know,

scared to speak out about what's going over there in China, talking about not just LeBron, but John Sina and other people, companies, organizations, the leagues and everything. And Hollywood, especially Hollywood. And I was like, someone has to do this. Someone has to sacrifice whatever they sacrifice, sacrifice it and call out and start a movement making, you know, and start calling out and show the whole world that, no, I am not scared of China. And what I'm talking about is bigger than

you, bigger than me, bigger than MBA, bigger than basketball. So someone had to do it. You're not scared of China? I am not. Whoever is listening this, I am not scared of China. or his regime, CCP, I could care less. Has anything happened in your life in us to have you think they're aware of what you're doing, they're paying attention, either, I don't know, either in person or online, or is this in any way, has your voice in any way in your mind drawn unwanted attention from people you don't know exactly what power they hold? They banned every our Celtics game in China. The first day, first day, I was, well, I did not get a minute that game, but our first regular season games against the Knicks. I put my free Tibet shoes right before the game, right?

Right before it was like 20-something minutes before the game. I went out, I said free Tibet. I went out there and at halftime I looked at my phone my manager texted me and said all Celtics games are banned in China

I was like well here we go did anybody within the Celtics organization say something to you about that? Well I the thing is Celtics people in a Celtics

just wanted to know which topic I'm going to talk about If it was the Tibet issue, the Uyghur issue, or if it was the Hong Kong or Taiwan or whoever, whatever, you know, I told them, I'm not going to tell you guys, sorry. If you guys want to see what I'm going to talk about, just check my Twitter 20 whatever minutes before you came. And you guys can see, and this is the freedom that I have. I can do this, you know? But from the NBA, from the MBPA, especially MBPA, the Player Association, is, you know, is. the worst, actually. They are the one calling me every day and my manager and harassed us every day and say, please take those shoes off. We are getting so much pressure by the league. You have to

take those shoes off. Who is that? NBPA, the Players Association? NBPA is the one? Yes. The union, that union is supposed to work for the players, not for the league. So they called us every single day. twice a day and said, please take those shoes off. And I was like, I told my manager, I do not want to talk to them because they are liars. They're supposed to have my back, not the league's back. But in this cause, in this situation, they have the league's back. I was like, I don't care what they say. Just tell them, if I am breaking in rules, let my manager know, and then I will do it.

But if there is no rule about me wearing free Tibet shoes, shoes, free Hong Kong shoes, right? Then let me wear it and keep your mash up because what you guys telling me is taking away my first amendment and you guys cannot do it. So you're telling me your team, your front office, your locker room, Adam Silver, no one has attempted to inhibit your speech in any way to your face. But the only pressure has come from your union, the NBAPA, but your estimation is, or what the NBAPA is actually telling you is that pressure is, that pressure is.

is coming from the exact people who won't say it to your face. The NBA itself, I don't know about your organization. I don't know about Adam Silver as an individual. I can make assumptions there. But pressure is being applied to your union to apply pressure to you indirectly. First time I wear the shoes, free to best shoes, right? It was right before the game. We did the national anthem.

We came. It was a Madison Square Garden. There was two gentlemen from the NBA came to me and said, and listen, we are begging you. your shoes off. I was like, hold on a second. What are you talking about? It's like, you are getting so much, I don't know, they said it's blown up on internet. You have to take their shoes off. And I told them, do you guys have any kind of rules that I cannot wear those shoes? I was like, no. So they said no. I was like, I don't care if I get fine. I'm not taking their shoes off. And they told me,

we are not talking about fine. We're talking about getting bad. So I was like, you're telling me, just because I'm going to wear the shoes, you are going to ban me. I told them, go tell your boss. I am not taking the shoes off. So the NBA threatened to ban you from the league for those shoes. Exactly.

And if they say the other way, they're lying. If they say the other way, I just don't want to, I know there's two people who came up to me and said, take your shoes off. I actually like them.

They're my friends. I don't want to give their name because they will get fired. So I do not want to give their name. name, but if they're telling the other way, they are 100% lying. And in a half time, in a locker room, they came and said, sorry, you are not going to get banned. We are just too nervous, and we are sorry. You can't wear your shoes. I was like, exactly. So how do you explain the sort of change in position, even within one half of basketball? But certainly this went from

a threat that you could potentially be banned from the league to now. It doesn't seem like the NBA's to address you directly whatsoever. Although it sounds like they're putting pressure on you through your players association, they're not willing to address you directly whatsoever. Why? Why the change in position from the NBA? Because they saw that I'm not backing up.

I'm not deleted any of my tweets. I'm not backing up on any of the stands or any of the interviews or anything that I ever give. I'm not backing up. And if I would back up from a position and said, you know what, sorry, I didn't know sorry, I didn't know the situation, I was wrong, blah, blah, blah. Then they'd be like, okay, we got it.

But I was like, you know what? I could care less. This is what I want to stand for. And I am not breaking any rules because I look, I read the book, the ruling book, and there was not one single rule that says you cannot wear no, any kind of message on your shoes. I was like, okay, then I'm just going to work. Who's the most powerful person who's attempted to change your behavior or I don't want to use the word silence you, but that's effective what we're talking about here.

Get you to stop speaking out. Is there an NBA owner who's called you directly? You've said on the record, I believe, that Adam Silver has been supportive of you to your face. So who is the most powerful person who is attempted to change the way you've approached these situations? Well, I will say NBPA, whoever, whenever they call me, they said the decision is coming from the league.

Whoever is telling them to take my shoes off is that person. But people don't, I don't know if many people knows, but I had a over 25 minute conversation with Adam Silver on the phone. Because I was just so sick and tired of answering these questions to MBPA, the people. And I was like, you know what? I don't want to talk to any of you all. I want to talk to Adam Silver. So I even remember, you know what MBPA told me? I wore a Winnie the Push shoes, right?

I wear the Winnie the Pushers and went out there and play. And MBPA called me and said, after you wear those Winnie the pushers, I don't think Adam's going to talk to you. I'm like, from now on, do not ever call me, do not ever text me. I do not want to hear from MBPA ever again. I'm directly going to go to Adamson. You know, because that is your bus, and you don't work for the players. You work for the league.

So I went to Adam Silver, and we sit down and had a phone conversation for 25 minutes. And I asked Adam, like, Adam, listen, am I breaking any rules by wearing the shoes? Just say yes or no. No, you're not breaking any rules. I told him, I will be the first one to follow about if you guys have any rules, you know. But he said, you're not breaking any rules. And I asked Adams, like, Adam, what do you think about, what do you think about China is banning our Celtics games on television the whole year? He's like, that's not true. I was like, Adam, come on.

You know that is true. There is a State Department report out there. And you can find it online saying that it's a shame that China ban Celtics games because of a player. They didn't give my name, a player to speak out against the issues that happened in China. I was like, Adam, what do you think about that? It's like, well, you know, this. I was like, Adam, listen, this is unacceptable.

You know, I told them this unacceptable. I asked him some other questions, but obviously he answered me about what I want to hear, you know, and I told him, I told my friend, it was like, listen, if NBA is standing my, stands, you know, behind my back, then go out there and make some kind of statement and said, you know, this is a shameful that China's been in Celtics games. We got our teammates back. Look what WTA did. So take notes. Any, not just anything. be about any organization. Take notes of what the WCA did for their own players. All right, we're going to step aside here for just a moment. Stay tuned. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size.

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They see the world through a risk reward. And here's what they would look at. Here's Innes Cantor. Who knows how much longer he has in the NBA? Who knows how many more money he has to make in the NBA? Look, how many minutes he's getting a night. His risk is small, and his reward is high. on standing on principle as compared to. I don't mean that compared to me or the average

American. I mean your risk reward is small as compared to LeBron James or the NBA. And so they would say, come on, look at LeBron. He's making, who knows, I have no idea how much he's making out of China. The answer to that probably is in the, it's easily in the tens of millions. It's got to be in the hundreds of millions. And the NBA is even more so, right? That's why they responded in the way they did to Daryl Morey's tweets because we're talking of billions at stake. And they would say, the cynic would say, look at the risk reward of standing up against China right now. And the compromise, and look, not just the compromise to the business, okay? Because if we just reduce it to the number of dollars going into LeBron's pocket or to NBA owner's pockets, that's one thing.

But you could also make the argument, look at all the people that are dependent upon LeBron or the NBA, all the employees, the people that work. there, you know, look at the economy built up around it. And so you take this stand and you compromise all of that. In other words, I want to put you in LeBron's situation. Your risk reward is different than LeBron's. I think that's fair to say, right? What would you, can you, would you be taking a different position in us if you were LeBron James? If I was LeBron James, right, I will take even strong. stronger stance of what I'm doing right now because his voice will be even way larger than

anything, anyone that who has ever played in NBA. And obviously the money that he will lose, he made almost a billion dollar. What more can you spend or your grandkids and grandkids and whatever grandkids are good for life, you know? And what about the NBA and their business? So I'm going to get to that. So I thought, I was. I feel like if more than just me, if other players, superstars, all stars, is doing this moment, they have no choice by the ball that if China, okay, just bend the whole MBA. See if we can do it. You know, see if we can do it.

But when it comes to these players or NBA, you know, is it what I'm thinking is, is it really that business that important than people over there, almost two million people, are getting tortured? and gang rape every day. Is it really that important? Is business and money really that important that what about if your mom and your daughter or your father wasn't that concentration and getting torture and rape every day?

Would you, if you were Adam Silver or LeBron, you think you would still think about the business side of it? So that's what I'm trying to tell people. Is it really your morals, your principles, your values, is it really money over them? You know? So is it really people's lives?

over money or the other way it's a it's the perfect answer to be honest there is a and i have to i want to press you while we're talking there's a genocide happening while we're talking right now so isn't really that important you know yeah yeah it's it's uh i it's it's it's in my nature to to press you and to play devil's advocate somewhat but then i i need to turn around and be honest with this i think it's the perfect answer in us what you've said and and the truth is this entire china experiment and the control over Americans through the power of their of their money makes me wonder you know I've talked about this on the podcast like is there such thing you've heard the phrase FU money you know you get to the stage where supposedly you've made so much money and you can say FU to things you

don't like or don't want it's made me question the existence of FU money does it ever even exist because it seems like the more you make the more beholden you are to those that allow you to make that money it's made me really question the existence of that I am trying to tell people, you know, that it's, to me, it is crazy because China is using money to buy silence. Yeah. And we are, many people are part of this problem, you know? It's not, there's one thing that, you know, just you stay in silent. You say not anything as you, that means you're part of the problem, you know?

You don't, you can totally guess, yeah, you can call out governments or CCP, whatever. whatever. But if you're staying silent, that means you're on their side. That means they got you, you know? So like, I just feel, I just wish that I hope more people. I don't, just not just basketball plays, but celebrities, you know, or whoever. People who has a platform just go out there and just talk about all the issues. So a couple more things I want to talk with you before we say goodbye to each other today. Let's do this really quickly. Explain for the listeners here of the Will Kane podcast who may not be completely familiar. What is going on in China?

What is going on with the Uyghur population? I mean, not just, first verse of all, the Uyghur, obviously, I'm Muslim, and the problems are not just happening in Uyghur region. First of all, Uyghur region, there are 2 million people say more. And people need to understand this one. I'm going to tell you the stories. I did not just watch it on YouTube. I actually sit down with some of the concentration camp survivors and had a conversation

because you can't put all kind of everything on the internet. And I wanted to sit down and have a conversation from firsthand about what they went through. So for Uyghurs, right, it is a genocide. Even like, you know, Secretary of Pompeo said it is a genocide. There are over 2 million people on concentration cancer right now are getting tortured and rape. And I can talk about the organ harvesting and pretty much brainwashed every day just because of, you know, they're Muslim just because of what they read or what they stem from. And this is only just only one region.

You go to Tibet, it's a cultural genocide. You go to Hong Kong, there's another big mess going on over. You look at Taiwan, it's pretty much they're trying to take over, you know, the whole country. And I think these people need to understand this. If we don't call out this, you know, dictatorship, and it is going to affect America, and countries from all over the world. And then to your personal story, which we alluded to earlier, you were stateless for five to six years. Now that you have an American passport, it's the first passport you've had in that

time frame. You're from Turkey. You grew up in Turkey. You spoke out against Erdogan over there. And tell me about that experience. What did that mean for not just your life, but your family? A lot. I mean, I wish I could just bring my family here. That will be in the amazing accomplishments, but I think me becoming an American, you know, a citizen and finally have a home, finally have somewhere that I can just say, well, I'm part of this nation, you know, and it definitely meant a lot because a lab, I mean, my name's on a triple list and my passport got involved and my dad was in jail and I got rest warnings for me out there but becoming a citizen i mean america obviously the best one but like any part of you know

the country just makes it feel like wow i'm finally part of something you know i'm not stateless or i'm not homeless i have somewhere that i can call home so that's like that definitely meant a lot all right and let me ask you by the way before we move on from turkey one last thing. What was it that you said that set this entire chain of events off? What was it, what was the criticism that you offered that had your passport revoked, put you on an interpolist, put your father in jail? What was it that you said about Turkey? There was a corruption scandal happened in Turkey back in 2013. And President Erdogan and his family was involved in it. And that was like, and after that, he got cut. And he started to put people in jail, police, judges,

prosecutors, and he started to shut down media outlets, and he started to shut down schools and dormitories. And when I heard that he started to shut down, you know, the schools and media office, I'm like, I don't care who you are. If you are fighting against a plea press and, you know, education, I'm going to go out and say something about it. So I said that, and because of the NBA platform, it became a big conversation. And I was like, after that, you know, I'm going to pay attention about what's going on my country more and more. And, you know, I started to, you know, give interviews about, you know, what's going on over there to, you know, big media that's here in the United States. I started writing op-heds about it. And every time I say or, you know,

write something, it was becoming a conversation. They hated that. You know, my dad was a genetic professor. He got fired from his job. My sister went to medical school for six years. She still cannot find a job. My little brother was playing basketball. He got kicked out in every team. You know, they were getting affected so much. They had to put a statement out there and saying, and we are disown and Ennis. You know, Turkish government didn't believe that. They sent police to my house in Turkey and they raided the whole house

and they took every electronics away, phones, computers, laptops, iPads, because they wanted to see if I'm sitting contact with my family or not. I wasn't, which they still took my dad in jail for a while because of, just he's my dad. You know, we put so much pressure from here with politicians and media to Turkey,

they had to let them go. And many times, you know, my teammates are asking me like, dude, are you crazy? Like, why are you talking about these issues? Your family's still back in there. But I'm like, listen, I play an MBA. That's why you guys know my story, but there are so many innocent people out there and political prisoners are suffering right now and getting tortured. So I had to stand up for those innocent people. And that's where, like, they started to, you know, revoke my passport and, you know, put my name on Interpolis and arrest warnings and after that. So that's the quick story.

what set Enos Kenter on the path to human rights activist. Indulge me, please. Two basketball questions about teams you've played for. The Trailblazers are 13 and 22. Damien Lillard's hung in and said he's going to be a Trailblazer for life. Should he be or should he be like some of these other players who've pursued championships somewhere else? Oh, that's a tough question.

I feel like he wants to win it important after seeing what Janice did. you know because everybody could go and team up with you know superstars and try to win but I feel like he wants us to do it important and I think he should do it important because after seeing yeah with yannis did and me while he was so special I feel like you know damn should try to do the same thing yeah not all not all championships are built the same I think lebron showed that when he won his in Cleveland it looked like it meant more than any other yeah and and then now for your team right now look the Celtics are what you're 18 and 19 You've got two of the best young players in the league.

You talked about Jalen, Jalen Brown a little bit earlier. Obviously, Jason Tatum's great as well. These seem to be, you would think this is the foundation of, and for quite some time actually it looks like it's been the foundation of a championship team. Why isn't it working right now? I mean, the last two years we've been literally dealing with, you know, COVID and injuries and all that stuff. And I don't like making excuses, but that is the real side of the story.

But I feel like, you know, just we, there is, so two years ago when I was here, we made a conference finals, the year before they made the semifinals, the year before they made a conference finals again, you know. But I think, you know, this year, we hope that is just the year, because they should be the year. We have everything we need. I feel like we can be everything on every floor. Well, we just need to go out there. I think it's more than we need to get that team chemistry. You know, I feel like what we do on the court is. I mean we are one of the most talented team out there

but I feel like we just need to you know get that chemistry right better and just go out there and have fun and sometimes when we lose I look around we are just now we are not having fun once we have fun there's no team that can you know compete all right finally I have a little bit of conversational OCD

so I like to make sure there's no strings left hanging so here's what I want to ask you as my final question I alluded to this a moment ago. I said, you know, there's a risk reward, but there's also principle. Clearly, as you laid out in your response to LeBron and the NBA, you are a man of principle. What I would like to ask you is we talked about the risk reward that employers make, that the NFL made with Colin Kaepernick, where you are in your career right now. So are you concerned that being a man of principle and taking these stands, that your employer,

the NBA, that all the league's owners will look at it and say, it's not worth it. Are you concerned that the stand you're taking will be the end of your NBA career? Good question. I mean, I think that's in God's hand. And I am trying to do what God's work here, trying to be the voice of all those innocent people out there who don't have a voice. And if that is the reason that I cannot find no contract next year, then shame on, shame on NBA and shame on all the owners out there because whenever they can be put me out there you can look at my numbers

you know by 36 my averages are over double double you know um I think if that is actually it's like almost 50 and 50 and last year I averaged double double off the bench and so it's not like it's nothing a performance related but if that is the reason that they caught me or they blackballed me. I guess you can do nothing about it. Just, you know, I just pray for them to be a better personal people. But, I mean, like I said, again, someone had to do it. I can say I give up everything, the fight for everything.

Literally, I talk about the Turkish issue. I lost my family. I talk about the Chinese issue. I lost my career. So it's like, when you talk about these issues, obviously you have to make some sacrifices but i know in my heart that i can go to sleep in peace and say i did everything i can to you know be the voice listen man i have so much respect for you and i did before we spoke and i appreciate your willingness i knew you would not struggle

with any question that i asked no matter if i pushed you or not but i also down deep knew that you would welcome any question like that because you're educated on these issues and you are passionate about these issues. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate you being welcoming to being challenged, talking through what are difficult issues on both a human, interpersonal team and employment basis, much less being a public figure and receiving criticism. So, man, I respect you and I can't tell you how much I appreciate you having this conversation with me today. no means a lot man i hope you know more people listen to this or i hope more people who has a platform celebrities especially athletes will join me that's my that's my goal you know but um i just want

a really big good example of the young generation so when they're becoming our age they won't face the same problems we are facing you know i want to uh raise you know millions of young kids out there which are films which are they love their country and they will do anything to protect it and uh that's the goal and we'll see what happens next year all right enous cancer freedom thank you man seriously thank you very much thank you brother appreciate it that's going to do it for me today here on the will cane show i will see you again next time Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcast, and Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon music app. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas.

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