Will Cain Country - Riley Gaines On Caitlin Clark, 'The View,' And Protecting Women’s Sports

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Story #1: Did you know that WNBA superstar Caitlin Clark is the beneficiary of tall privilege, pretty privilege, and white privilege? That’s the opinion of the ‘experts’ on The View. Story #2: Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes have Harrison Butker’s back while Oregon sees yet another trans athlete dominates the girls. Will breaks it all down with author of the new book Swimming Against the Current: Fighting for Common Sense in a World That’s Lost its Mind and host of Outkick’s Gaines On Girls Podcast, Riley Gaines. Story #3: Which pro athlete would make the perfect wing man?   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, did you know that WNBA superstar Caitlin Clark is the beneficiary of tall privilege, pretty privilege, white privilege? I bring you the experts, the opinion of the experts on the view. Two, Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes have Harrison Butker's back, while Oregon sees yet another trans athlete dominate the girls. We're going to break that down, plus her new book Swimming Against the Current with Riley Gaines. Three, who's the perfect wingman? And it's not PJ Washington. It's not Kyrie Irving.

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live stream in the text description you can just hit subscribe hit like on any of the videos leave a comment and join the community subscribe to the will cane show hey two a days uh tin foil uh young establishment do you think mavs win an amazingly exciting sleep deprive inducing game one against the minnesota timberwolves do you think if i call pete hegseth he will I think so. No, he's a busy man. He's got a very tight schedule. It's 12-02. He's probably at a big meeting right now. So real quick, I don't think he will because I texted him. He hasn't texted me back yet, so. Maybe it's different. Oh, you texted him. Let's bring that up if you answer. You leave him off the show rundowns, that's why. Why did you text Heg-Seth?

No reason. No, it's for her next time. You're not here. Stalk and smack. No reason. I'm unaware of the secret affair between tinfoil Pat and Pete Hegseth. Well, I'll tell you what. It is 1202 Eastern Time, 1103 now as the clock ticks over one more minute. Central time, 903 Pacific, at about 1245 Eastern. I'm going to see if he'll pick up. It's a 50-50 proposition with Pete. He is a busy man, but I'm going to give him a call, see if we can talk a little trash, rubble, little Mavs, of the Wolves in, see if he picks up, 1245 with Pete Heggsette. But we got a big show today. We have Riley Gaines on, Riley, not just gaining in popularity, but really firmly establishing herself as an important figure in the cultural shifts, the fight against some really

malevolent and malignant cultural shifts in America. She's got a new book out, swimming against the current. We're going to talk to her about that book, plus some things going down in current events, including a federal judge that has gone before Congress seeking approval after Joe Biden's nomination, who seems to think that it's just for a six-two serial convicted rapist to be placed into a women's prison. That and much, much more coming up in just a moment here with Riley Gaines. But let's get after it. Let's start with story number one.

if in a very competitive industry a very competitive industry in terms of who can on a daily basis be the most idiotic in the stupid olympics cable news interests really honestly sweep the podium i am very well aware that i'm a part of this industry but i like to try at times to stand apart from cable news because it's a real big competition into idiocacy. We saw a Grammy Emmy Oscar nominated entry yesterday from The View. The host of The View, notably Sonny Hosten, along with Whoopi Goldberg and many other, they took on the problem, the problematic popularity of W. NBA superstar Caitlin Clark.

Caitlin Clark is, of course, the former Iowa Lady Hawkeye who set records and is quite honestly revolutionizing women's basketball. She's now made her way into the WNBA, where she is brought with her something like 3 million people, record ratings for the WNBA. Instead of this being celebrated, we have to start analyzing how this might be problematic. And the ladies of the view had no problem in identifying the privilege of Caitlin Clark. It's not superstar privilege, it's pretty privilege, it's tall privilege, it's white privilege. I give you the metal frontrunners in the stupid Olympics, the view.

I do think that there is a thing called pretty privilege. There is a thing called white privilege. There is a thing called tall privilege. And we have to acknowledge that. And so part of it is about race, because if you think about the Britney Griners of the world, you know, why? Why did she have to go to play in Russia? Because they wouldn't pay her. Because they wouldn't pay her.

Not because she was black, but because they didn't believe in the WMBA. This is part of my point. So now, you know, Caitlin Clark is bringing this money, these sponsorships, we hope, into the league and other players will benefit from it. But I do think that she is more relatable to more people because she's white, because she's attractive. just a spectacular performance in the stupid Olympics. You know, I've had some friends, people that I respect say, well, don't call things stupid. And I respect that, that it's just unnecessarily ad hominem, and it is reductionist. And I appreciate that, you know, take the arguments on as they are.

But I also can't let decorum in taking the higher road divorce me from reality. You know, I can't, if someone deems it offensive, decline to notice that the sun rises in the east. And when a statement is so utterly, not just stupid, but more importantly, as we transition to substance, hateful and ugly, we have to recognize reality. Let's start with how hateful and ugly it is. The view. It really has become a hens nest of venom. In this instance, what we see here is several individuals reducing a human being into her most superficial characteristics, attributing her popularity to her skin color, to her height, to her physical appearance. And in doing so, they've managed to ignore reality.

The reality is, as I said, that Caitlin Clark owns the record from most points scored in women's college basketball. She's revolutionizing the game, not just the collegiate, but soon, I'm sure, will be the case, at the professional level in the same vein as Steph Curry. She's unguardable. She can shoot from the logo. She sees passes, distributes the ball. She is an absolute superstar in the WNBA, and that has nothing to do. Honestly, with not only her looks or her skin color, but it really has nothing to do with her height. Caitlin Clark is quite simply a superstar.

And that makes her popular. Let's address some of those different types of privilege. First of all, pretty privilege. If we're being real, I've never heard someone say that she's hot, Caitlin Clark. She's not benefiting from some kind of Anna Kornicova effect. You remember Kornikova, the women's tennis player, who was good, and that should always be pointed out. Once you arrive at the stage, do you know how good you are? Like, has if anybody ever raised any children in a competitive sports environment,

to even arrive at the stage, you are in a 1% of the population proposition. But Kornikova wasn't perhaps as good as her hype, as her stardom, because she was beautiful. And there are examples of that. But that's not, in my anecdotal research, something that is being said or giving to the popularity of Caitlin Clark. Tall privilege. Okay, maybe, yeah. society, but don't we have to kind of look at circumstances and how they present themselves? Is Caitlin Clark popular because she's taller than you, your average female?

Because in the WNBA, where her popularity is being compared, I think the point is against other previous and current WMBA players, she's not tall. She's six foot. I mean, I don't know where that puts her in the average of WMBA players. Obviously, with men's players, that would be below. average. In fact, I just read an article in The Athletic this morning about the evolving heights of various positions in NBA. If you're curious, 6-3 for the point guard, 6-5 for the shooting guard, 6-7 for the small forward, 6-8 for the power forward and 7-foot for the center.

I mean, there are girls in the WNBA approaching, what are they, 6-8, 6-9? Caitlin Clark's not tall in context. I don't know how she has. Tall privilege. And then let's address white privilege. First of all, to reduce her to her skin color is not just ugly. It's not just venomous. Again, recognizing the sun rises in the east, acknowledging reality. It is racist. Yesterday, we had, I think, one of the most, one of the most not controversial,

but taboo reality discussions that we've had here on the Will Kane show. You should go back and check it out. I was with Jeremy Carl, the author of a book. called the Unprotected Class, how anti-white racism is destroying America. What you see here is anti-white racism. Like, no one else's race, and let's set aside the stupid dichotomy that the world has been reduced into black and white, Latino, Asian, nobody else's race is constantly pointed out as a reason to diminish their accomplishments.

And that is exactly what's being done here by Austin. She's diminishing the accomplishments and the popularity of Caitlin Clark, because, of her race and that to me is quite clearly racist now let's indulge a thought experiment let's say okay what if kately clark's race is contributing to her popularity in fact you know i've had that conversation here on the will cane show in the past and i've contended to you even if it is so what why is that problematic in that people especially in sports are attracted to meaning gaining their fascination getting their attention getting their race ratings, getting their popularity, to anomalies, to outliers.

Do you think Danica Patrick was as good of a race car driver as the attention that she warranted or earned? No, but she got it because she was an anomaly. She was an outlier, a female race car driver in a field of men. Tiger Woods, also superstar. I mean, in a discussion with Jack Nicholas, for the greatest of all time. But his race certainly was a part of the national conversation and part of what gained attention for Tiger Woods.

I mean, we had the conversations openly, and those conversations weren't problematic. They were celebrated. It was, oh, look at Tiger Woods. He's bringing bigger African-American audiences to the viewing public for golf. Not only that, Tiger Woods, inspiring a generation of black golfers

to embark upon a sport that is traditionally white. Tiger Woods was and is an anomaly, an outlier. And that's always what we see in sports, physical outliers. I mean, in their physical attributes, certainly the case in basketball and football, and in their accomplishments in every single sport. And so even if Caitlin Clark's race played some role in getting her attention or popularity, why is that problematic and not to be celebrated in the same way that it is with Tiger Woods?

And the answer to that is because everything has to be so impossibly stupid and hateful and divisive. That seems to be the project to reduce us to our tribal instincts to tear us apart and divide the United States of America. Let me give you another story going on right now. I want you take a look at a headline from CNN. It's a repurposed article from the New York Times. This is about Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito. New York Times, another controversial flag spotted outside a Samuel Alito property. So the original entry in this big story is that outside of Alito's home,

he flew an upside-down American flag. Now what you're looking at is on his vacation home. He's flying what's called the Appeal to Heaven flag. It's a pine tree on a field, a white field background. Now, the argument that they're making on CNN and in the New York Times is this reveals Alito as an insurrectionist or a sympathizer of insurrectionist. Why? Because some people on January 6th, and by the way, this is news to me. some people on January 6th flew the flag upside down some people on January 6th flew the appeal to heaven flag

news to me and to be quite honestly I'm pretty plugged in on American history and I happen to like flags you can't see it in my studio but I'm surrounded by flags right I got to Tennessee United States Texas Longhorns flag I've got the Texas 1824 flag here this is the revolutionary flag of the Republic of Texas. I've got the come and take it, the Gonzalez flag. I've got the original Bonnie Blue, Texas flag, behind me, Montana, the Gadsden flag. I've got flags all over me. I never heard of the appeal to heaven flag. So I had no idea that now El Lito has been outed as an insurrectionist. And by the way, the appeal to heaven flag, it's a revolutionary war flag. It was flown by George Washington's unit in the Revolutionary War. But now, because someone, or let's say

half a dozen people brandished that flag on January 6th, it has to be reduced. And not just the flag, American history increasingly, which by the way was founded from insurrection, but American history reduced to unpatriotic. That's the point. And they're going to be successful in this project if they don't receive some pushback. I remember years ago on ESPN, I had this debate with Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman about the Confederate flag. The argument that I made at that time was The Confederate flag isn't exclusively and therefore only displayed by racists, that it also has some cultural connections to heritage to the South. I mean, I'm objectively, factually correct about the history of the Confederate flag.

It doesn't mean it hasn't been also used by racists by the KKK. But look, Leonard Skinner incorporated the Confederate flag. I think the country band Alabama incorporated the Confederate flag. The General Lee shown on network television incorporated the Confederate flag. Was that because all of those institutions were saying, hey, I'm anti-black? Or were they saying, hey, I'm proud of my heritage in the South? I'm going to say that not only our goodwill and benefit of the doubt, but an accurate understanding of people's motivations in history would show you, oh, there might be multiple meanings to this flag, but no longer.

it's this even me acknowledging that could be deemed controversial and so all now that the confederate flag can mean is racist and everyone now knows that by the way you'll never see that flag in any other context no way a ban from the south would would embrace the confederate flag and that's the project's going to reduce the appeal to heaven flag and by the way it doesn't stop at the gadden flag it doesn't stop with the sign of distress an upside down american flag i saw a TikTok video this morning of a guy on a beach, you know? I don't know where it was. In Florida, maybe California, on a beach, a liberal offended by the fact that people have planted some American flags on the beach, because the American flag is now a sign of MAGA. And so you erase, you reduce everything, including our history, not just our symbols, but the history itself, into something inherently unpatriotic. Everything divided. That takes us back to Caitlin Clark. You, you know, the competition to be stupid in cable news is a competitive one.

It is hard to rise to the top. But by dismissing Caitlin Clark's superstardom as pretty privilege, as tall privilege, as white privilege, what you have done is you have put yourself as the leading contender for not just the gold, but also the silver and the bronze. in order to ensure their victory. The members of the View went on to say something like this in support of the WNBA. They said,

some of these girls are better than what you're watching. Some of them are even better implied here than the NBA. No, she's a superstar. But Caitlin Clark is not better than anyone in the NBA. No one in the NBA. You know why I know that? Otherwise, she'd be playing in the NBA. So congratulations to the view.

Congratulations to the New York Times. Actually, sympathy to the New York Times, because in this new cycle, you don't make the podium. Despite reducing American history and symbols, in an effort to get rid of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, to the most divisive things in America, you didn't manage to make the podium in a new cycle where the view swept the bronze, the silver, and the gold. It's tough, but they did it at the view. The Stupid Olympics. Riley Gaines, coming in hot. Next, you don't want to miss this on The Will Cain Show. Hey, we know you probably hit play to escape your business banking, not think about it.

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serial rapist in a women's prison and yet another trans athlete, a dude, dominates the girls this time in an Oregon high school track meet. All that more. Coming up here with Riley Gaines. It is the Wilcane Show streaming live at foxnews.com. Fox YouTube, Fox Facebook, share, subscribe, like, and leave a comment. Come hang out with us here on the Will Cain. So that brings us to story. number two, which is the author of a brand new book entitled, Swimming Against the Current, Fighting for Common Sense in a World that's lost its mind. Riley Gaines joins me now on the Will Cain Show. Hi, Riley. How you doing, Will? Thank you so much for having me on. I'm good. I'm honored to be on with you. I always love having you on. Riley, I know you were hanging out. You were listening to

what I had to say about Caitlin Clark. You got a new book about Fighting for Common Sense. What do you think about dismissing Caitlin Clark as pretty privileged, tall, privilege, white privilege? I had seen the article. I hadn't actually watched the video yet. I had no idea that they said tall privilege. Oh my gosh, how remarkable is that? I was mind blown by that. That's for sure. I think it's astounding that you have progressive and liberals who have said for so long, you know, why won't anyone watch the WMBA? Okay, now Caitlin Clark emerges and people start watching the WMBA

and they say, well, she's just pretty tall and white. That's what this is. It's astounding. Caitlin Clark has not gotten the coverage and the attention that she has rightfully gotten because she is white, tall, or pretty. It's because she's a phenom. I mean, just some of her accomplishments.

She's the Big Ten all-time scoring record. She's the leading Division I women's career scorer. She, of course, holds all Iowa records. I mean, the list goes on. It's the same thing watching the view. It's the same thing that Jamel Hill said, saying that Caitlin Clark is problematic. All Caitlin Clark has done is sold out arenas,

set TV viewership records. She's brought millions of new eyes to women's collegiate basketball and now on to the WMBA. So saying she is problematic, I mean, to me it sounds like she's the, problem solver and speaking to jamel hill this is no surprise coming from her a professional and long-time race baiter while at ESPN i remember she once stated that rooting for the celtics was like saying

that hitler was a victim yes and she said this because the celtics were viewed as white she's labeled president trump as a white supremacist she called for a boycott of the dallas cowboys and their sponsors after jerry jones demanded that his team would respect the flag speaking of flags and symbols and the anthem. So all of this to say, I don't think we should be surprised. The direction that we are seeing, the media, people like Jamel Hill take this topic. But let's be very clear.

Caitlin Clark has gotten the coverage that she has gotten because she's amazing. It is fascinating, isn't it, that so many people who accuse the rest of the world constantly of being racist, cannot see the world but through the lens of race. Any issue presented to them is reduced to black and white. I shouldn't move on, Rodley, without pointing out. There was another privilege mentioned, I think, both in that LA Times article quoting Jamel Hill and on the view, the fourth bit of privilege beyond pretty tall and white is straight privilege. Her popularity is also due to the

fact that she's not a lesbian, with some significant percentage of the WNBA being gay, that now here's this straight white girl comes in and she gets all of this attention and popularity. It's amazing to me how they can say this. When we have a media outlet or media outlets, we have academia, we have corporate America who consistently and constantly prop up people for not being straight. And even so, this is what the viewers want to see is Caitlin Clark. And again, I don't think it's to reduce it down to her physical attributes or the fact that she is straight, white, tall, or pretty, which might I just had, I think anyone's pretty next to someone like Brittany Greiner. But besides the point,

it's just, it's mind-blowing is what it is. I don't think there's a lot of words for it. But I think the American people see this for what it is. I really do believe that. Anyone can watch that clip of these women on the view and call this exactly what it is. And it's exactly what you said. it's inherently racist. It does no good for anyone. It doesn't do good for Caitlin Clark. It doesn't do good for the WMBA. It doesn't do good for black people who are playing in the WMBA. This is harmful to every single person involved. And the American people see that. And this undercuts the idea of white privilege. I saw you retweet this from Barstall President Dave Portnoy. He said, if it's her race, then why aren't Diana Tarassey,

page buckets, Cameron Brink, Sue Bird, Ella Deladon, Brianna Stewart, Sabrina Ioannoscu, and Kelsey Plum, more popular. All of those, WMBA stars, by the way, white, but they haven't received the popularity and stardom of Caitlin Clark. So what is it? Could it be something beyond her race? You know, I love your note of optimism, and I do believe you're correct when you say the American public sees beyond this. I think that common sense does, and I think most of America retains common sense. But whether or not it's pockets of insanity or elite levels of insanity, Riley, we keep seeing things that would make us think we're losing common sense in America.

And I give you yet another example, this time from the state of Oregon, where a sophomore boy running in a track meet, I don't know. I was going to say dominate. I don't actually know if he dominated, but he won. He won the state track meet against females. And I don't know, and I want to be careful, I saw you on Fox and Friends, so you kind of referenced it loosely, but I don't really know how often this is happening anymore, but the anecdotal incidences of it happening just are getting to be undeniable. It's clearly happening in Connecticut, in Oregon, in state after state, where men are entering women's sports and winning titles. Of course it is. And I do know how often this is happening, because I receive messages daily, every day.

single day, from young girls, from parents, from coaches, from just concerned everyday common sense Americans who intuitively know that men and women are different. I receive messages daily, just like this story out of Oregon. You said you didn't know if he dominated. At the state championship, he didn't necessarily dominate. Yes, he won. But the meat qualifying for their state championship, he won by over 50 meters is how much he won by.

This is a boy who had, in the 200, right? In a 200. This is a boy who had never run track and field before. His background actually was in weightlifting. He had started running that season and wins the state championship. Keep in mind, these girls are not scrubs. Several of these girls are committed to Division I colleges to continue their athletic and academic careers.

I believe the girl, he beat out in the 200. I was going to Vanderbilt to continue running. So look, in SEC school, these girls are not scrubs, and they got beat by a boy who had only just begun running. But again, we can't be surprised. It's the same story virtually every single time. And this is what I said on Fox and Friends. It's a seemingly mediocre, less than average boy

who would be just that in the men's category, but then decides to go into the women's category and becomes a record smasher. We're not seeing this happen the other way around. We're not seeing girls decide to identify as boys and go in to boys' sports and dominate. We're not seeing girls identify as boys or women identify as men going into men's prisons.

No, this is happening, and it's most often adversely affecting women. Riley, forgive me. I think you and I've talked about this. Remind me of your events at Kentucky. What did you swim? What were your primary events? I swam freestyle and butterfly.

Sprint. Mid-distance sprint, yeah. So, like, in the fly, did you do the 100 fly? In free, did you do the 100 free? I did the 200. So in the 200 Butterfly, I swam a time of 1 minute, 51 seconds, which is the SEC record. It makes me one of the fastest Americans of all times.

time. Just out of curiosity, Riley, what's your 100 fly time? I believe my 100 fly time is 51, maybe. Okay. Do you know 100 free time off the top of your head? 47. Okay. I was hoping, from my own ego, and some illustration of the difference between men and women, that my times, I was a high school swimmer, walked onto a water pole team, might be comparable, but you smoke me. You smoke me because you're not just, maybe I'm less than me yoker and you're way more

than average when it comes to girls. I think my 100 fly was 54, and you said you were 51, and my 100 free was probably like a 49, and you said 47, so, you know, it is what it is. Raleigh smokes will. Now there's a difference in it. There's another gap, not just our gender gap, Raleigh, is the time gap. You're very young. I'm very old. And times get faster as time goes on. You know what I mean? That's just swimming. I think tracks the same way. You can't compare times from 20 years ago to times today. It's weird. I don't know what that reflects. Because there's not that many technological advancements. There was the suit thing, you know, for a while. But it's just human beings getting bigger, stronger, faster.

Totally. I am glad that I am done swimming now because you're right. It's a whole new era of speed and skill. that's that's for sure uh but we did swim the same events um free and fly okay so i was going to ask you this when you said i get messages all the time can just give me an example i'm curious like you said it's happening all the time i don't doubt that but we you're very inside this entire story and this entire movement and you've become a voice not just of reason and strength but you've become i'm sure a safe place for many people who are experiencing out there in america to turn to, to talk to, and ask for help. So I'm curious what they say and what kind of messages you're getting and, you know,

just give me an example of what you receive. Let me just read you a couple. These are just from over the past, I mean, few days even, not that long. This one says, hello, my name is Blank. I was encouraged to reach out to you after I competed against in loss in a head-to-head sudden death playoff at a professional golf tournament to an athlete who is a male. I was appalled by what I witnessed

and the differences that occurred between the regulation holes and the sudden playoff. The boy, on average, hit it about 10 yards longer than me throughout the entire competition and over the last two events, I've played in 56 holes total with this boy.

So I believe I have a high understanding of his swing, his swing speed, his ball flight, and distances. Yet when the playoff began, suddenly he began swinging the club 10 to 15 miles per hour faster, increasing the length of his shot by 30 plus yards, giving him an advantage he had not previously had during the prior holes.

He loves the claim that his distance has greatly decreased since undergoing surgery and hormone treatment, but the only thing proven to me was that he is scaling it back, swinging only 70% because it's still plenty, plenty long enough, yet keeps people silent. Then when desired, he can turn it up to 100%. That's one. This one right here says, hey, I need advice. I'm a freshman at Blank High School. I play basketball, volleyball, soccer.

Sports are one of my favorite things. And tonight in a basketball game, our varsity team just lost because they have men playing on their girls team. I don't know what to do. We get yelled at when we stand up for ourselves, but I know we shouldn't be silent. What should I do? I mean, I could keep going. Well, again, these are just this week.

Wow. It's every single day. And it's the same, again, it's the same theme. Girls who want to stick up for themselves, girls who are terrified and understandably so, because they're threatened. They face threats and risk and intimidation from either their schools, administrators. It breaks my heart. That's why I so fiercely and so passionately care about this topic.

Because, again, I'm done competing. You couldn't pay me to get into a pool. I would probably drown if I started swimming again. People say, oh, you're the swimmer. I say, no, I am the swammer. That is what I am. I do not actively swim. You'll come back.

I am a swammer. I don't know about that. that will. But again, this is why I care so much. There's a website and it's called she won.org and we help contribute to the instances that have been accounted for of women losing out on opportunities. And it's over 960 medals and trophies that have been taken from women by less than average men. 960. There's your anecdotes for you. Right. And thank you for sharing those with us. By the way, again, as a lifelong swimmer, you'll come back, and I mean, everyone wants nothing to do with the pool when they're done. It's an awful sport, to be honest. I mean,

you're isolated, cold, and pushed to physical exhaustion twice a day. Yeah, and the coach yelling at you, you're done when you're done. But then one day, you're going to come back, and maybe you'll swim the Navy SEAL swim with me in the summer. And that would be awesome, by the way. I would love for you to do that. what um this is the transition to your book the book is is called swimming against the current fighting for common sense in a world that's lost its mind i'm going to ask you because i think you address this is all of this in the book you also talk about it's in part of memoir you talk about your life so i'm going to ask you this question in the context of the book that last uh email or text

or message you received said what is your advice so what is your advice what do you talk about and swimming against the current. Well, I appreciate you asking this. And it's something, again, I hear every day from everyone, not limited to just female athletes, people saying, what can we do? How can we help push back? There's certainly a part in the book that speaks to, yes, it speaks to women.

Yes, it speaks to parents. It speaks to, again, coaches. It speaks to our spiritual leaders who we so desperately need. It speaks to men. I think so often we ask ourselves, the question of where are the feminists, which is a very valid question. And again, don't get me started on that. But I think just as often as we ask ourselves the question of where are the feminists, we should be asking ourselves the question of where are the men? Why has this battle

fallen almost entirely on the shoulders of young girls and women? So there are certainly parts in the book that address this in a much longer form. But what I will say, what we we can do as everyday people is one, first and foremost, and this has been the most central, at least in terms of something I had to understand in my life, is to trust God's calling for you. I did not feel prepared for this role, certainly not. But I understand now that he doesn't call those who are prepared. He prepares those who he calls. So answer when he calls. Secondly, we need parents who are willing to defend their kids. The messages I received from parents, they always, almost always, say, well, I work in

corporate America, there's just not a lot I can do or else I'll lose my job. Do I have to care about your own child more than you do? If this isn't a hill you're willing to die on, a sacrifice you're willing to make, then what in the world is? So we need to see parents who are willing to defend their daughters, defend their kids, teach their sons how to be strong men. all of those things and more in the book.

How do they do that, Riley? You know, it's been, I think, something that I've said, I know my co-host, Rachel Campos, Duffia said, the way you do that is not just raising your voice, but you've got to walk off too. You've got to walk off the field and decline to participate under these circumstances. Absolutely.

And I'll tell you, I've changed my mind on this. I didn't think that at first. Obviously, I competed against this boy. I didn't think it was fair for me, someone who had worked my entire life, 18 years of my short 22-year-old life at that point, the sacrifices that I had made, the dedication, the time, the hours, the grueling practices. I didn't think it was fair for me to have to compromise in that way. I thought, legislation will fix this.

That's what I thought, truly. What a naive thought to wait for people to do the right thing, unprovoked. We would be waiting for forever will. And when I changed my mind, I remember it pretty vividly was when the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act was introduced in the U.S. House by Representative Greg Stuby, and it fell entirely on party lines, meaning 219 Republicans voted in favor of protecting women and girls in sports. And all 203, every single last one of them, mothers and fathers of their own young daughters, all 203 Democrats voted in opposition of protecting women and girls in sports. and that's when it hit me. If we waited for legislation or policy makers or these elected bureaucrats and judges and officials

to do the right thing, like I said, we'd be waiting for forever. That's when I decided and changed my mind. It is up to us. If you are faced with competing against a boy, don't participate in the farce. I think people, and we're getting to that point, we've seen that, and we've seen it be effective.

There was a jujitsu tournament down in Georgia, two boys set to compete against the girls. And yeah, this is jujitsu. You're like putting heads between legs and squeezing and all kinds of stuff. But four girls said we're not getting on the mat with a boy. And within 21 hours, not even a full 24 hours, Naga, which is the National Grappling Association, changed their policy and said, okay, boys can't compete with the girls. We saw it in West Virginia recently. Five brave, 13-year-old middle school girls, middle schoolers. They decided, and again, they reached out to me,

said, Riley, are we not worthy of calling ourselves champions? Why do we have to fight for second place? How in the world does that not break your heart? 13-year-old girls have very loudly and clearly heard the message that they aren't worthy. Tragic is what that is, but they decided they wouldn't compete, against a boy, a boy who had been taking hormone blockers since he was eight years old, which is what I would describe as criminal.

Nonetheless, they all stepped out of the ring, track and field. They were throwing shot put, and they just won a court case, which is huge news. So all of that to say, the most powerful and effective way to say, no, enough is enough, is by not participating. I think it's what you have to do and it's a convenient perch from which I say that because I'm not in the field and I know like you said you competed against Leah

but you know in your sport and I'll consider it my sport as well and other sports like track I sat there on a thought to myself well you know what you could do is you could run your race you could swim your race and the reason why is it such an individualized sport and you know this, Riley, you compete against yourself, often as much as you compete against

somebody else, you're always trying to better your own time, right? And so I said, I thought, if I'm in that situation, maybe I swim. And maybe I, my goal is not to beat Leah Thomas. My goal is to hit a PR, right? Another personal record or break some other time record. And then when it comes time to accept the medal or whatever, no, I won't participate in that. I won. I saw what happened. Here's my time. It was the fastest time among girls. But others, sports don't have that same type of, you know, circumstance. They don't have that same type of situation. Certainly not jujitsu. And so, like, I think even though I kind of put myself hypothetically into the situation that you were in or any other track and field or swimmers or

whatever, really honestly, you got to just say no in the end. Otherwise, it's always going to be this deal where there's a fake winner and a real winner. You know, it's just got to be a real competition. Totally. And to your point, I understand as well. It's easier said than done. Again, I can't even believe I have to sit here. You know that. All the effort you've put in. And then you're like, and I'm going to opt out now. I've been building all these years to this meat, you know,

and now I'm not going to get to swim because some dude is in the middle lane. Right. And the threats and the risk that these girls face. You heard in just that one message that I shared, we're reprimanded if we say anything. I know that's real. Again, I face that. But there are no grounds for any university.

any institution, any entity to actually take action for you silently or peacefully or whatever you want to call it, freely expressing your opposition to competing against a man. That's what people need to realize. And that's what the girls in West Virginia sued over. All five of the girls who stepped out were then banned. They banned the girls from girls sports rather than the boy. No, that would make way too much sense. So they banned the girls for expressing their opposition by conceding their match.

But then they went on to sue, and they ruled it was entirely unconstitutional and viewpoint discrimination. And these girls were allowed to compete. So know your rights. Understand that this is the right side of history. We hear the word all the time, inclusion and compassion and empathy. me. Let's be very clear. It is not inclusive to ask a young girl to step aside and allow a man onto our podium. That's not what inclusion is. No, that's exclusive. And it's exclusive to the very female athletes who Title IX or the women's sporting category was created to celebrate and

protect. And it's not compassionate to ask a young girl to undress in front of a fully grown, fully naked, fully intact man. That is not what compassion is. So I think it's important to understand, one, our rights, but two, how our language has become entirely corrupt. Well, I love what you said about inclusion and exclusion. It's a point I've tried to make. It's like inclusive of who.

You know, you are excluding all of the girls who now have competed and trained their entire life from reaping the benefits and the spoils of their hard work. while I have you today, I want to hit two current events, and they're not unrelated, because we talk about common sense. Common sense certainly is lost among, I guess, our elite circles. I saw you posting about this on X, this hearing for a federal judge the other day, where she granted the request based upon her, a trans woman, so was a man's request to go into a woman's prison. And this guy was convicted of rape twice against the minor, and then also subsequently

convicted, pled guilty to child porn, trading in child porn. And after all that, this lady who's being asked as a Biden nomination to be approved to the bench, as a federal judge, granted this guy based upon his constitutional rights the ability to go into a women's prison. This judge was raked over the coals by Senator Kennedy and Senator Cruz. But at such a illustration. This is a person, this is an educated person. Maybe that's the problem. She went to Brown. But this is a person that we're entrusting with judgment, a judge, and she would choose to put a convicted rapist man into a women's prison. Disgusting is what this is. I encourage everyone to go watch that video. Senator Lee, Senator Cruz, Senator Kennedy, they all had a really

great line of questioning for this, for this judge. But again, this is not unique. It's happening in New York, it's happening in Indiana, New Jersey, Ohio, California, of course in California. In recent weeks, in California alone, over 1,600 men applied to be women to get into women's prisons. And they're being granted access into women's prisons. And it's the same story. It's these men who are convicted of heinous, awful things. majority of the time, some sort of sexual violence, violent crimes, child pornography, kidnapping, things of that nature. And they're getting into these prisons and they're impregnating these

women. You know what they did in California? I was actually on Super Bowl Sunday. The correctional officers worked overtime. They came into these all women's facilities, all women's institutions, and they installed condom dispensers and dental dams. And it's because now in these all women's prisons, AIDS and HIV are running rampant because these male inmates who are coming from men's facilities, again, they're in these women's prisons and they're impregnating and raping these women. So now by installing condom dispensers, not only are they allowing for sexual intercourse, which is not supposed to be allowed in prisons, it's as if they're encouraging this behavior. In New York, and they're all women's facilities, they have posted

placards speaking to pregnancy prevention. Now, why would they have to speak to pregnancy prevention and in all women's facility? These federal judges, we've seen it across the board. They are failing at their most basic duty, and that's upholding the law. We've seen it in the 10th Circuit, we've seen it in the Fourth Circuit. Watching these judges on this panel was almost comical if there weren't real consequences to this, to their actions. The other current event I wanted to hit with you was Chiefs Kicker Harrison Butker. It's a week old what he had to say. We saw the backlash to what he had to say at Benedictine College.

But now what we've seen is head coach Andy Reid and quarterback Patrick Mahomes have his back. That seems big. It's huge. And I think it's unique because these are two men who have spent an ample amount of time. I mean, what Patrick Mahom said he was, he's known for seven plus years. Andy Reid, obviously, I mean, on a day-to-day basis, spend time, spends time with Harrison Bucker. And they both said, this is an amazing person. Look, we are judging him by his character. No, we don't necessarily agree with everything he says or any of the other teammates,

what they say all the time. But we can speak to his character. And that's what the media has been missing out on. I was so stunned. I watched his speech. And I have my own thoughts about it. Of course, I agree entirely with his messaging. But, you know, it's a college graduation. Was it the right time to say it? I don't know. He did refer to women as homemakers. Is that probably the best verbiage?

Probably not. Also, the fact that he is someone who makes a substantial amount of money in this economy, not all women or household families. I think both parents have to work in many cases. And so I have my own thoughts there. Entirely agree with his message. But I was stunned to see this get the media coverage that it did. I mean, a week, like you said, a week it was the only thing on my timeline.

Five years ago, six years ago, this wouldn't have gotten any coverage to be totally honest with you, and understandably so, because this was a devout Catholic, speaking at a Catholic institution, invited to speak at this university, to share a message heavily based and rooted in Catholicism. I was stunned to see the coverage that this got. But the leadership we saw by Coach Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, and I would imagine several other teammates, a part of the Chiefs, that was huge. So, Riley, a little bit earlier, and we'll start ending it up here,

but a little bit earlier you said, I want not just women, but men to stand up against all this insanity. I'm just curious, as I was listening to you, are you frustrated? I mean, to a much smaller degree, I know a little bit of what your position is. I know what it means to be one person inside of an institution who's saying something and knowing that many more people agree with you. And being a little frustrated, well, why don't you say something too? You know, I know, and I've had that experience at a much smaller level. You're doing this at a much greater level.

And I was just curious listening to you when you said that. Like, do you feel a little personally frustrated that you're doing something, taking a position, so rooted in common sense, but requiring so much strength because it probably does feel lonely. Beyond frustrated. At first, when I took this stance and I had people reaching out to me, renowned athletes, male and female,

who we all know, they would message me and say, thank you for doing what you're doing. I can't say anything because I have sponsorships and I have endorsements and different partners. I can't say anything, but you keep taking those. arrows. I thought to myself at first, you know, I was very humbled by this. I was honored by this. Right. Cool at first. I very quickly, I very quickly lost that sympathy. We are governed by some of the weakest, morally bankrupt, spineless cowards. And again, every realm. The NCAA,

even the president of the NCAA at the time, Mark Emmert, who of course now the president is Charlie Baker, but the president during all this national championship stuff, Charlie Baker, I mean, excuse me, Mark Emmert, he publicly released a statement saying he unequivocally stood in his decision to allow Leah Thomas to swim with the women because it was based in evolving science. But privately, he tells me, Riley, you keep fighting, you keep going. Excuse me, the audacity to say that as if he's not the one that we're fighting. Same thing in the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate. when I testified before, I've testified before Congress and Senate many times.

But when I testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Cory Booker comes up before the hearing, and he says, of course, the Democrat, he says, look, I played football at Stanford. I totally know where you're coming from. I get it. And then he gets on the other side of the table and starts grilling me. Week, weak leaders at every level in this nation. So all of that to say, I'm.

I'm not only frustrated, but I'm disheartened by the people who are unable to say something as simple and easy as men and women are different. So well put. So, Raleigh, swimming against the current, fighting for common sense in a world that's lost its mind. It's out now. You talk about a lot of these issues. You talk about your life. What else should we know about swimming against the current? Yeah. It was a whirlwind, a fun process to be able to sit down and write this book. As you said, it speaks a little bit to my background. The family that I come from, it speaks to that national championships. It speaks to, of course, the unfair competition, the locker room aspect of what we faced, the silencing that we faced, ultimately how we got here, the broader picture of what this means, because make no mistake, this is so much bigger. than just not getting to hold the trophy on the podium, so much bigger than just women's sports. It speaks to the trajectory of where we're going. And again, what we can do as everyday people. Raleigh, how old are you?

I just turned 24. Oh, my God. I feel old. The reason I'm, I can't. The reason I can't believe that. And here's the thing, okay, you might feel lonely and you might feel like you're the target of so many arrows. I think you're also the target of a ton of compliments. Oh, for sure.

And I know you're aware of that. And I think at such a young age, to be showered with compliments and with arrows, can create a warped view of the world in an individual. You know, and sometimes people can't be ready for these things. you know like not just ready for compliments and arrows but also ready for the depth of exposure and i i think you know the third time you know i've spoken the second time we've spoken on camera maybe and i mean here's yet another compliment that you'll have to take in stride and that is the depth and breadth of your ability to speak to not just this one topic which you've kind of become the voice on but an understanding of so much more

is way beyond remarkable for someone 24 years old. And I wasn't, and this is my job, and I've always had a passion and interest in the law and law school and philosophy and understanding things, and all of that was built into getting to a point of view that it takes a long time in life to be confident on that ground. And I'm blown away, honestly. Yeah, okay, you've got the trans issue locked down.

But my feeling is you could probably speak intelligently and thoughtfully on any host of issues and stand up to a grilling. As someone has testified before Congress, you would hope. But I don't know. I think that's one more compliment that I want to offer you. I'm just 24 years old and so thoughtful in the bottom line. Just so thoughtful. And I imagine swimming against the current is going to give us all some insight into how you

arrived at this place at the age of 24. So I think everybody should go buy the book. Well, thank you. Well, that actually is probably a very important. my favorite compliment I've ever received. So that's, that's very sweet. And like you said, the support, the encouragement, the kind words, it's tenfold anything negative, without a doubt. So thank you. Well, keep it up. Who knows where this life is going to take you, but we can start by understanding where your life got started and swimming against the current. Thank you, Riley Gaines.

Thanks, Will. All right. I think that's a book you have to get. Swimming Against the Current. fighting for common sense in a world that's lost its mind. I lost my mind last night. Game one, Mavs over wolves. I'll tell you what. Let's call Pete Hegseth and see if he will answer. Let's talk trash live next on the Will Cain Show.

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YouTube they 100% need their own league for all of their genders and identities speaking about trans athletes gin wall says yeah why aren't men getting mad at these idiots making men look bad

I'm told a lot of women today joining the community in the comments here on the Wilcane show on Facebook and YouTube. Streaming live at foxnews.com. And Roxy 405 says Riley is right. Threats of being excluded from their sport. Soon, it will be all boys. Where's the inclusion?

And there's also apparently spring in the Wollisha, Two A Days, Dan, Young Establishment, James, and Tinfoil Pat. There's also apparently, as we're always welcoming of, I want to be a community of an engaged conversation, a lot of people who take issue with Riley, two a days? Not taking issue, but just kind of saying that she's grabbing a spotlight, which is not true at all. You know, like kind of grasping onto one topic that, you know, and kind of getting her, you know, five minutes of fame kind of thing, which is just not true at all. And that conversation with her was amazing.

And it's just kind of, I think it's a little trolley is the thing. Yeah. Well, here's what I would say to that. Like, this is the issue that not only is she passionate about in the abstract, but that has directly affected her life, and she's become a resource for others. And by the way, also, don't ignore the fact that really, I don't know if it would be actually no one else is standing up in this way, but no one else is leading in the way that Riley Gaines has taken on this issue.

And if that has resulted in some attention for Riley Gaines, not only good on her, but God bless her because it's going to come with all this negative attention. We talked about the compliments, but the arrows that she is taking in this fight. And I'll tell you something. The thing I said at the end, look, I'm 49 years old. I've been doing what I do for a living now for, I've never counted it up, but 15 years. And before that, look, I went to law school. like persuasion, communication, understanding, a basic curiosity about the world of thoughtfulness,

and yet a passionate dedication to some principles and ideas is something that you're not born with, that you have to develop. And I'm not done. You know, I'm still changing. I'm evolving. And I am blown away by what I said, that she is 24 years old, and I don't think she's a one-trick pony. So you can say she's grabbing the spotlight on this issue. I get the sense that if I did another hour with Riley, and it had nothing to do with the trans issue, she would either know a lot about it or have the self-awareness to say, I don't know about that issue, which is a similar sign of something what I'm getting at here, wisdom.

I have learned in my life the difference between intelligence and wisdom, and they are not the same thing. And a lot of young people are smart. That's a fact. There is intelligence all over the world. There are 20-year-olds way more intelligent than me, but I have really worked and tried to become more wise. And that doesn't go hand in hand with intelligence. And when I'm around, when I listen to Riley, I'm just like, this person's on the path's wisdom. And I don't know where it's going to take her, but I promise you it won't be a one-trick pony on this one issue.

I mean, it might be for a while because she's passionate about this saving this issue. but this person could be a leader on any host of topics if she continues to develop a really early indication of wisdom. And no one else was taking the reins on this issue too, and she took that and ran with it, and good for her, and it's great. Yeah. But by the way, as is a kid, I'm not mad. If you feel that way, bring it into the comments,

and we'll have the conversation. You know, you know, this is the place. Our common section is the community. If you disagree, you know. It's an interesting. That's the community. It's a very interesting place. Our comment section?

Yeah. The live chat. Well, it's also a place. It's also a place of development and wisdom. Yeah. It's all. Yeah. That's one way to say. It's also on its growth path.

Yeah. It's also on its growth path. But we love toddlers and adolescents and elderly alike, meaning and whatever stage that we all are in our path to wisdom. We love it all here on the Will Cain Show. Look, man, I'm a toddler. I'm an adolescent sometimes. Like I am right now, watch this.

So last night, this is the big showdown that we've all been waiting for, or at least two of us have been. And that is Will Cain and Pete Higgseth's co-host of Fox Friends Weekend, who refer to themselves at least one does in the third person. Wolves Mavs Western Conference Finals Lifelong Wolves fan Hegeseth Lifelong Mavs fan Me

And I'd say going into this That the wolves are the favored team But last night It was the Luca and Kyrie show It was two superstars taking over game There was a lot of other important players Like Derek lively And let me tell you something

The wolves were good They were good And I walked away from that going These are two good teams And this could be a hell of a hell of series. But I think in the end, like, the Mavs were just the better team. And so, because of that, you know, I started texting and I started tweeting a little bit, you know, and I started getting my shots in. And I thought, okay, you know, don't celebrate too early. It's one win on the way

to needing four. But then I thought, the better of that, and I thought, hell no, live in the moment and enjoy this talk trash to Pete Hegseth. So I thought, let's just try this really quickly. I have no idea if he'll answer. I think it's 50-50 at best. I'm going to call HECSET. And let's see. Let me put it on speaker here. You think he's going to answer?

Yeah. I don't think he will. You can hear it ringing, right? Yeah. Wow. This is going to be embarrassing for him and me. Yes. Yo.

Yo! Yeah! Yeah. You're live on the Wilcane show. Oh, my goodness, no, I'm not. There's a 50-50 proposition on whether or not you would answer. Of course, I should have expected it. Well, what do we do?

Do I talk trash first, or do you defend yourself? How do you feel big, big, big win over the wolves for the Mavs? And big, big, big letdown by the home team. It looked a little tired, took a lot of threes. You know what? We know what your vulnerability is now. Well, listen, we're down, we're down 01. I get it.

I get it. But we didn't play big. We didn't play strong. Our big guys played and hit some shots. But if we really utilize our big guys the way that we can, I like our chances. I still like our chances in the series. But this is coming from a homer. You know how he, you know, he's serious?

He used the word utilize. Whenever when someone decides, I'm not going to say, use. I'm amping up the ante here. I'm going with Utilize. You know, they're real serious about what they're talking about. You know it. No, do you come out of that? First of all, you know what we're reminded of last night? What? That Luca and Kyrie are really good basketball players. Yes. I mean, I want to write off Kyrie like he's in the, he's in the, you know, back third of his career. If Kyrie plays like Kyrie's always been, Kyrie is a international superstar. Superstar.

with another international superstar in Luca. And so you've got two studs like that, and they play that way, even if they're not hitting threes, that's a tough team to beat. I do think this is the Kyrie Reminder Tour. I'm reminding you, including I'm reminding Anthony Edwards. I'm Kyrie Irving. He said that. That was his motivation.

He saw Anthony Edwards after you beat Denver say, I got Kyrie. And Kyrie's like, oh, you do? Okay. Well, that's what Kyrie's needed. I mean, Kyrie doesn't want to play 82 games. Kyrie doesn't even want to play the first round of the playoffs Kyrie doesn't really even want to play That's not true

That's not true If you got a little bit of motivation though for him That guy's a stud All right here's how I feel Here's how I feel, Heggseth So I went into this You texted me Let's be real with everybody listening watching

You texted me that you're gonna Did you say smoke us or blow us out? Not one game, the series I didn't say blow it out I said something taunting No way Here's what I think. I think that everybody here today is saying, oh, the wolves are tired.

The Mavs played one day before the wolves. So I think you threw a really good shot, and I think the wolves are a good team, and I think you threw a heavy punch. I mean, you guys hit like 50%, well, it went down as the game went on, but 50% from three, and the Mavs shot the worst they ever have from three. And that's going to even out, and that's scary for the wolves. I don't think the Mavs are going to sweep. I don't think it's going to be a gentleman's sweep.

I think the wolves are really good. But now, if I'm you, here's the biggest thing I'm concerned about. We're doing serious basketball analysis here. I'm worried about Anthony Edwards. And here's why. That dude was gassed. I don't know about the rest of the team. That guy was gassed because he was chasing Kyrie Irving around the entire game.

And if he has to chase Kyrie around on defense, what's that due to his offense? It's a great point. I remember, you probably thought of it too. I'm watching the fourth quarter, and we're at, like, the eight-minute mark. I'm going, where is Anthony Edwards? Where is he? Nowhere. Tired.

Because I didn't realize, because I was, and I made a fatal flaw, I agreed to host Hannity, so I had to watch the first half of the game on the side of an iPhone hosting Hannity. Okay, so I'm in the commercial breaks. I'm watching what I can, so I didn't catch all of the rhythm of the first half. You know what I did catch, though? The wolves blew the last minute of the first half. could have had an eight-point lead going into the second half instead had a two-point lead. They gave them three-point play at Kyrie.

Hey, you're emotional. I've watched you watch the Vikings. What did you do last night? Did you, after Hannity is over, or even during the commercial rate, are you yelling at the screen? Did you throw anything? What did we do last night? I demand silence at certain moments. It was really bad at Game 7.

I mean, I kicked everybody out of the room. I was yelling. But I got one kid who thinks he's a Mavs fan. You know this, Will. I got one kid who liked Kyrie when he was the Brooklyn Nets and so then Kyrie goes to Dallas and suddenly he's a Mavs fan and I told him I said if you cheer one time Word comes out of your mouth okay I said you want to cheer you go in the other room who is that is that Rex? That's Jackson no it's Jackson okay so he sat in silence probably internally clapping and screaming for the maps while I watched in agony as the thing went down I got you Jackson you're my guy Jackson he's with you he's with you he just has to suffer

silence. All right, you're a good sport. You're a good sport. I need to rub it in today. And I want, this is, we've got seven games here, buddy. We're going to, we're going to. As long as you do it every time, and there's going to be some wolves' dubs in there, and we're going to talk after that.

All right, I'll let you gloat on the one or two dubs you get in this series. Good man. All right. See you, man. Thanks. There you go. He answered. He sounded upset.

He answered. He was getting a little defensive, a little defensive. Pete is a, when I was younger, my friends used to call it a Dow Joneser, but they would talk about it with girls. Like, she looks great. She looks terrible. You know, they did a bit on that on Seinfeld even. Like, you know, like, how come I can't put my arms around this girl?

She's a Down Joneser. Pete's a Dow Joneser in his energy. Like, he's all in, he's all out. He's mad about the outcome. He's fine. Like, last night would have been really entertaining. I should call him and record it during a game. But the day after he's had time to come back down

and Dow Jones it back to equal. All right, before we go today, tinfoil had a proposition. Here's a test. Can you set this up in 30 seconds, Tinfoil? You get 30 seconds on the clock, set this up, this debate. There's no geez. One time I was on starting point on CNN,

and I complained about my time and sold out of Brian and said, you've got 30 seconds. That's an eternity in TV. Now that I've been doing it for a long time, it's an eternity. 30 seconds. On the clock, go. So, there's a young man who... Okay, okay, the young man had a common bite with a, oh, ding, okay.

Young man trying to go to prom, use Bryce Harper as his wingman. What sports guy would you use as your wingman if you were trying to pick up a lady? Now, obviously, we're off the market will, but... Five seconds left. Right. You know, who would we... But we can pretend. Yeah, yeah, we're pretending.

All right. hand. All right, good job. He did it. He did it. All right, we're going to go around the horn. Young Establishment James is out there. He's hot on the market. He's out there at the New York bars. But I'm going to bet he needs a wingman. So who's your sports wingman? I am the wingman. Young establishment. Wow. Does it have to be a guy? Does it have to be a guy? Any sports person. So like Bill and Clark is an intelligent. Because you go with someone like Cameron Brink and she talks to the girl, she's like, oh, no, he's cool. And then you're in.

That's half the battle. That's really good. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Who's Cameron Brink? She was the second overall pick in the WNBA draft. She went to Stanford. Steph Curry's friend.

She does have pretty privilege. Oh. She's tall. Yeah. I think I know who you're talking about now. The one that Otani made laugh. Now I know who you're talking about. Okay, two a days.

I was going to go Jietz because just like by fall off there's got to be some help there. But James pointed out that's an absolute mistake. It's a horrific decision and says a lot about your personality. Why? What, did I need that? Because you're happy to be a remora fish on Derek Jeter's shark. Like you're whatever he doesn't eat You're like that would be good for me

Thank you Derek But his You know that is a lot You know is a high echelon If you know what I mean But anyways I was thinking That's fair

You know who'd be good I'm thinking baseball I'm just thinking with baseball Guy like Clayton Kershaw I think would be fun As a wingman Because he's kind of like goofy No

Kind of fun No girl knows who Clayton Kershaw is She doesn't care That's Clayton Kershaw my friend He pitches for the Dodgers The girls I want to know will know who Clayton Kershaw is. That's what I'm saying. What about Julian Edelman?

He's a little shorter. So you're kind of in the same. Well, because I'm 6-2 and he's what, like 5-10, so that would look good for me. Edelman's a perfect. He's kind of got a funny little like. He's perfect wingman for Brady. That's the perfect Brady wingman. Because Brady's like, you know, all good-looking and unapproachable.

But I would bet, I don't know what his game is like. but he's not the funny man. And now you've got your funny man, you got your joker in the King's Court, you know, in Edelman. All right, Tinfoil, who's your guy? I'm going to go with the ultimate team player, James Winston. He would be the perfect guy. You would meet no women.

You're going to end up in the club. Zero women. Zero women. Why don't you just date James? Be real. James isn't your wing man. He's your goal. I would if I could.

You can go steal crab legs together on your first date. There you go. God, I've never seen anybody with a bigger man crush. It's the weirdest man crush ever because it's also like, it's not, I don't know, it's like his man crush is a little bit like Dan's. Like Dan's fine, like feeding off with Derek Jeter. Patrick decided that the highest mountain in the world wasn't Everest. He decided it was like some mountain in Missouri.

And he said, I'm climbing that mountain and plant my mind. flag. It's James Winston. I'm telling you, look, he went on the Theo Vaughn podcast. I mean, he kills it. He kills it. He's very personable. And he's not going to overshadow you because he wants to help you out. Now here, I've crushed you, Patrick, but I'm going to tell you some. Of the three of you, I didn't anticipate the Cameron Brink thing in there, which I think James might also be guilty of not your wingman, but your goal at the end of the night. Two stones, one bird. I think yours is the best. In the spirit of the game, Patrick, I think yours is the best, because I think James is hilarious.

I saw him on Theo Vaughn. I've seen him on part of my take. The great thing about James is, I don't know if it's intentional or unintentional comedy. I don't know if he's in on his own joke. He is hilarious. And I think that a lot of people, men and women alike, would gather around the table to see what James has to say. But I'm right on this. You need a funny, somewhat non-threatening, big personality as your wingman, who isn't a killer in the looks department. All right?

So he is the shiny object. You are the catch. So I'm going to give you some examples. You know, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, that type of dude. That type of dude is your wingman works for you. because they want to be around him and he's funny but ultimately you know he's he's you know like an offensive lineman in the NFL maybe but more fame you know what I mean um but then you they look over like but that guy you know hanging out with him he must be fun too you know but you want to

be better looking than the guy you got to be better looking than him you know so that they feel like they're not trading down but so but you need you need the I think shack would be a great wingman but Those looks negate the fact that these guys are rich and famous. You know, like, you could be better looking than them. What you mean? Like, if they're, you could be better looking than these guys, but they have more money and they're more famous than you.

But also, I think, does that negate that with women? Girls look at social status and they're like, oh, you're hanging out with him. Must be somebody. Right. Like, if I'm seen with any of these guys, it's like, that's a golden ticket right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and honestly, Dan, if you lose because your social status or your money isn't as big as your wingman, that wasn't the right one anyway, to be honest.

You know, I mean, you don't want that catch. You're signing up for something real bad, like if that's their highest priority. Is that a live lesson from one right there? Real bad. Live lesson? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that we're talking about getting married in this situation, but I would say even things short of marriage. you're signing yourself up for something that's a complete roll of the dice lot of that in New York City

I'll bet you would know Young Establishment James One day we'll do a We'll do a story time with James And we can talk about all the bar hopping Going on on the Upper East Side Just give me a GoPro Because of course

Young Establishment James is on the Upper East side All right That's going to do it for us today here on the Will Kane show I can't wait for game two, game three, game four now. It's going to be Dial-A-Pete after every game between the Mavs and the Wolves. That's going to do it for us today here on The Will Cane Show. Download, like, subscribe, leave a comment.

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