Will Cain Country - Ruthless Co-Hosts John Ashbrook & Michael Duncan: Whose Drones Are In The New Jersey Skies? Plus, Behind The Scenes w/ President-elect Trump & Cabinet Nominees At The Army-Navy Game

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

Story #1: Will takes you inside the Presidential suite at the Army-Navy game with President-elect Donald Trump, Vice President-elect J.D. Vance, and many other big time political players. Story #2:��What is really going on in the New Jersey skies regarding the mysterious drones? Plus, an Inspector General's report shows that 26 FBI informants were present at the Capitol on January 6th. Will breaks it all down with the Co-Hosts of the Ruthless Podcast, John Ashbrook & Michael Duncan. Story #3: More than two decades later, the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case admits she made the whole thing up. Maybe for her there can be redemption and forgiveness, but what about those who insisted on the lies being real, and made it their mission to ruin the lives of innocent young men?  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]  Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with the boys from comfortably smug. Three, some more than two decades later, the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case admits that she's a liar. Maybe for her there can be redemption and forgiveness, but what about the repeaters of lies? Let's go through the list, including the group of 88. It is the Will Cane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page, terrestrial radio market to market, dozens of markets from East Coast to West Coast.

But always on demand by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. Always available every Monday through Thursday, live at 12 o'clock at Fox News YouTube. Just hit subscribe, jump into the comments section. We welcome you into the Willis show. Boys in New York, I got a thought. and I was thinking about this just as I was getting ready for the show my pre-show preparation.

We're like nine days away from Christmas. We're really close to Christmas, which means you've got to be honing in on your list. You've got to be honing in on what it is you're going to buy. And this has been a discussion for some time in the household. Okay, this has been a debate. There's a bit of a warpath. The drums are beating inside the manor here at Casa Kane

for a second dog. Now, for almost the entirety of my life, I have been a one dog family, okay? For my adult life, that's been, as you guys know, Doberman. I got my first Doberman when I was 21 years old. I was a junior in college. He spent my senior year in college with me, all of my bachelor life, law school. He moved to Montana, and he was my wingman. He was my ranch hand buddy in Montana.

He was my guy. and he was there when I got married. He went to my wedding. He wasn't in the wedding, but he was at my wedding, which I got married on a ranch in Texas, but he was there, you know, couldn't leave my man out. And then, you know, I waited 10 years because I thought he was so special and unique

that he could never be replaced. So I waited 10 years until we happened upon Violet. And I've shared with the audience the story of how we got Violet that she was stolen. But she's also a Doberman. We accidentally stole Violet. But it turns out it was a good home. And her owner's like,

what? Keep her. Violet is a fond Doberman, right? Leon, my OG, was a black and tan. Violet is a fawn doberman. And she doesn't have her ears docked, so people confuse her with the Weimariner. But there is a debate. It's not a debate. They seem to have their head leveled against it here for us to get a second dog.

And I'm excited because I love Doberman. I want another dog, and I want a guy. I want a boy dog. and I want a black and tan but I'm a little nervous because two dog families I think are somewhat inherently undisciplined and I'm super into discipline

I like a behaved dog did any of you guys grow up in a two dog house? I didn't just one dog no our neighbor did though and they had this really docile husky that was super low maintenance and just very fluffy and chill

if you're going to go the two dog route something like that or a golden and that's just a little... But do they keep each other in line, though, if you have two of them? Or is that not? That's the reason people adopt another dogs are like, oh, he needs a friend, she needs a friend.

But that's not how it works, man. They resent each other's presence. The first dog always resents the second dog. Like, why are you here? You know, like, and I get it. You know, I was king of the castle or queen of the castle, and now I have to deal with you?

And have you guys ever seen the internet memes about, like, when you have a two-dog house and one is like, my name is Maximilius it's the speech from Gladiator right and I'm here for my vengeance and the second dog is like my name is yeah it's like you're gonna have

one moron you're gonna have one one emperor and one court jester Patrick by the way what are you wearing why are we wearing a suit jacket today yeah what's going on you got court yeah what is going on tinfoil it's a big deal

I mean like you're hanging out with you know the top of the top of the line kind of people i figured you know we're moving up in society here i like the thought this is you thought since since i am socializing with the uh the power brokers of of america yes you better put on a jacket just in case i mean you never know over the t-shirt too i like it you got to keep the style you know yeah uh two dogs Patrick two dogs in the house? Just one. My cousins had two dogs, multiple dogs. Those households were crazy. I'm a one house. I know. You got nine kids. What are you going to do? You can't add another dog. Enough furniture going on. Anyway, that's what we got to figure out. Are we going to go

ahead and do a second dog? By the way, the one at the front of the list, which I'm going to go visit this week, is a blue Doberman. So that will have given me, if I do that, three of the four Doberman colors. I've had black and tan. Fawn. If we do this, it'd be a blue, only leaving out the red Doberman. I'll let you know how it goes. But we're going to get into my two theories on what's going on with the drones over New Jersey. I'm trying to take it seriously, but also have an open mind because open minds have led you toward the truth. And I give you January 6th. That's all coming up in just a moment with the boys from ruthless. But first, let's get into it with story number one. So it's true.

I was with the power brokers of America. I did make my way down on Saturday to just outside of Washington, D.C., to land over Maryland to see Army Navy. And Tinfoil Pat has his jacket on because we are. We're getting proper around here on the Wilkinschel. We're getting some gravitas. And so we thought we just walked through it together. I know two days you've pulled some of the pictures.

I did post a lot of pictures on my Instagram, on X, on Facebook. and it was a it was a it was a scene it really was it was something else uh i think the word i keep coming back to is surreal yeah it's confirmed not a i pictures that i'm about to show here those are three guys yeah so oh oh go in like so buffalo jackson coach uh more on that in just a minute you know i was invited down by congressman michael walt soon to be the new head of the nsa friend here of the Will Kane show. Good guy, former Green Beret. And he's like, hey man, why don't you come hang

with your buddy, Pete, and come down to Army Navy? I said, I'd love to. And I found out Kilmead was going to, so I kind of coordinated. We didn't ride down together, but I thought I'd meet Brian Kilmead there as well. And I went to Michael Waltz's box first, and it was like, wow, okay, so I walk in, there's Cash Patel, there's Vivek Gramiswamy, some

certified American badasses. I met some guys from Delta. And there was David Sacks, the new AI and CryptoZar, big personality on X, former PayPal founder, also friend of the Will Kane show. So I knew a lot of these guys going in and then walked into the booth, Russell Brand. And this was different. All of a sudden, I felt like I was on Ed TV. Remember Ed TV with Matthew McConaughey? Like, he's got an entourage of like three.

Two dudes have a camera. And he walks up and we talk for a moment. and I see on his lapel is one of those mics and I'm like ah you know I mean I'm not that I'm going to say anything inappropriate but it's just like you know Fox asked me do you want to take camera like I don't want to take camera I just want this to be a thing I want to I want to like see who these people are I want to I want to hang I want to hang with Pete because that was one of the big selling points I haven't seen hegg said since he's been nominated to secretary of defense so we hung out and ultimately Walt said let's go up to the other box

where the president is and we go in and you saw some of the pictures I walk in and into the booth and I see some old friends I start talking to them like yeah Pete's over there around the corner walk around the corner and Pete's like

hanging out against the against the bar not drinking for what it's worth no total teetotel he's sitting there right next to Elon

and I mean first of all that was just a little surreal for me but we hadn't seen each other mind he's like this guy this guy didn't see each other so it was a big bro hug I saw his wife we hug we talked and immediately

like our body language turned a little bit away from Elon and so then Elon turned and I think he started talking to Howard Lutnik, the new commerce secretary. What is he? Is he Canter Fitzgerald CEO? I think that's what he is. I can't remember which one he has, which big, big bang. Canter Fitzgerald. And he and Elon start talking. So I never had my opportunity to like introduce myself and meet Elon. And the truth is by the end, and I think you have that picture, Dan. I got a picture of me and Tulsi. It was hanging out with Tulsi, Gabbard, and and then in the background there's Elon just kind of photo bombing

with Lutnik but I never had a chance to like grab his hand, shake his hand and so on Sunday I met May Musk, his mom she was on Fox and Friends I made my way back to New York that night and May was like, why didn't you talk to him

he's so lovely? I can't do a South African accent and and she's like can you do South African I could you I can't do like you can Yeah, I'm from Jonathan. Can you do Irish? I can't do Irish. I can only do South African for some weird, weird reason. I don't know why.

One of my closest friends growing up with South African. I can't do Scottish. It all turns into like a South African Australian. Yeah, it's all similar. Elon doesn't have much of an accent, by the way, right? Like, he doesn't. Trump is kind of like this. He doesn't. He has a robot. He does? Yeah. When Trump does the Elon impression, it's one of the funniest things.

It's not worth doing an impression. You know who does a good impression? I know, and I'm not going to do an impression of impression, but one of the best impressions and one of the guys that I really like, I've told you guys this, and all I can tell you is, here's the thing, and I want to tell my audience this, I feel actually a little awkward in these situations,

because obviously I'm friends, real friends with the guy who's nominated to be the Secretary of Defense. I've become work friends with some of these other people. That's not for me to pretend like I'm best buddies with Vivek or David Sachs. but now I've had very friendly conversations, but I'm a little uncomfortable because my job is to come on this show and onto Fox. And my job in the world,

it's like why I'm here is to tell the truth. And friendships pollute truth. They just do. And I think it's true in every aspect of life. And that's good in some ways. Like, there are certain friends that that value and loyalty and that quality is, I'm telling you, is like it's equal to or above even the truth.

And I ask you this, like, you know, like, Tucker Carlson said this about Chris Cuomo. I get it. He totally betrayed his audience and his job, but he was faithful to his brother. And I sort of get it, you know. And there are some people, some buddies who might call you and be like, hey, man, I got to get to Mexico. And you're like, I don't ask what you did. I'm like, let's plan the route.

How do I get you to Mexico? So I'm just here to tell you, like, I'm not saying it's all dirty, but you want to minimize these conflicts of interest. And so I'm a little conflicted on becoming an, And so I'm going to have to hold these things true, like, like what's a real friendship and what is, what is a work friendship. So I'm hesitant to say these things or even to let these relationships develop, but one of the guys I like is the Speaker of the House. I just like him. I'm telling you, I like Mike Johnson as a guy.

I do. And I even said to him, like, he's the kind of guy that I said this to him. And I'm going to share this with audience. At the end, I said, I'm becoming a big fan. And Mark Levin's wife was there. And she's like, but coming. And I'm like, well, yeah. because I don't just give that away, you know, and I'm not giving that away.

You've got to earn that. And I don't know. I like the speaker. He's a ton of, he's in a world full of power and a world of people could look over your shoulder and try to big time and see who's next. He's actually a real human, a real person, and I really like that about him. It doesn't mean I'm always going to agree with every aspect of his job as we move forward in the next four years, and I will be honest about where I think he's wrong or call it out.

And I'll make my platforms available to the speaker. but it's just an interesting dynamic talked to Vivek had a really good conversation with Cash Patel about January 6th talked with let's see John Thune the only awkward conversation I told you guys this was

Nora O'Donnell came in from CBS and it was weird it was like very friendly and I'm just gonna again my pursuit of honesty I'm gonna I had trouble making happy face I did and I even talked to myself like, will, you know, be a grown-up or, like, think about the way, like, I kind of like the way Trump does it. Like, it's personal, and it's, and it's a, and it's a battle, and then it's not, and then it's

over, and then it's professional. And, but I've seen Laura, Nora O'Donnell lie. I've seen her do a disservice and tell lies about people I know, like Pete Heggshead, and I can't make happy face. I turned to Mark Levin. I said, Mark, am I supposed to pretend to be nice? And he goes, I'm not. look at the photo bomb there who's in the background there back right i can't tell what that is

jd jd oh jd vans really liked jd vans that's jd vans and shan ryan of the shan ryan pod jd is a normal guy incredibly smart and normal um is my first time meeting jd my first time meeting mark levin and i really liked jd james you brought it up here's the big topic of conversation my coach okay um i'm gonna tell you awesome that's so awesome this jacket that i'm wearing which is a leather jack for anyone listening on radio or podcast and it's like i wouldn't call it a puff jacket but it's got some structure to it yeah and it's got like it's got like a horizontal stitching you're a true football fan a little bit yeah a little bit to a days be careful so it's very controversial So my wife, not a fan, okay, Rick Reichmeuth, Fox Weather, that morning said, don't wear that,

I hate that jacket. A lot of other people love the jacket, to which those others said they have to say it because it's such a statement piece, you got to comment on it. So what are you going to say? So I don't know, but I feel like I'm the kind of guy people will tell the truth to, like they're not worried about my feelings. Somehow that is who I've become. I have liberal face and people don't worry about hurting my feelings.

So, James, you put it out on your social, and there's some good comments, like, why did Will wear a football to a football game? No, they were good. It does look like a football. But they were also very positive. They thought it was a really strong move to go. I think it's a dope jacket. And just because I like it, it's probably, you know, because of your liberal face. It was authentically Texas, too.

No, I think it's cool as hell. Is it? It's a great jacket. I think in a situation like that, you've got to be yourself, too, because that's what people remember. You liked that I wasn't wearing a suit in a room full of suits. Yeah, honestly, in the truth is, I like the jacket. In the end, that's kind of what matters.

I like it. And it's Buffalo Jackson. By the way, that picture, that's me, Pete, and President Trump talking. We talked for a while. I don't know what we're talking about there, but he did have a lot of commentary on the show. I told him he ruined our show by stealing. P, but it's okay for America. What's up, James? Did Trump

just, is Trump done doing a press conference right now? He's live doing a press conference. He's still going. He's still going. We're competing with us. He's hurting our live stream numbers. Yeah, let's see. He's hurting our live stream numbers, but from my understanding, he's also talking about us. Yes. We do, um, we have a clip of that, not in the system yet, because he said it at like

1156. But I do have one of the best, yeah, he's still going. Hour in one minute. One of the best comments on the picture actually kind of recognized the Like, does Will kind of look liberal thing? He goes, Will looks like if Maverick and Top Gun opened up an IPA microbrewery that also does draft whiskey-based cocktails. And that totally fits with two a days loving it.

Yeah, you would totally fit in a Brooklyn microbrewery brunch session. Yeah, like you opened up a microbrewery that only makes small batch bourbons or something. What did the president say? morning about uh about me about heggseth young establishment james he said uh well first he did a couple minutes on heg set and how the first thing he said to him was like you know if you do this it's going to be tough and you're not going to be able to go back and hex hess is like no this is too important and he's like well you guys got a great thing going there you know you got the you got the best show on the weekend and uh truly great chemistry with will and rachel yeah yeah

yeah well that's what i said to him this weekend he goes yeah he's like best show on television I'm like, it was, you ruined it. No, you still got Rachel. And then he talked to me about the future of the show. But we talked about some other things. Listen, I'll leave you guys with this, everyone listening in you guys in New York. The main takeaway that I think you should really know,

and I think you actually can know by seeing these pictures and seeing what was shown on the stadium screen at Army Navy, is there's not only a sense of joy, true, truly. And it's not like that canned, where the campaign of joy and it's not even just like an exuberance of where you know we won you know there is a sense of optimism that is infectious right there and everyone's smile is genuine and i mean that i think i have a pretty good radar for fake i do and when i tell you i like somebody it's because they're giving me so much authenticity that i i perceive my radar to be pretty good on um and and and there is a real

sense i'm going to tell you this i heard these words from a huge power broker that I would not have expected to hear it from in that sweet this is a unique opportunity in america this is perhaps a once in a lifetime opportunity and i think everybody gets that sense and the players involved in that from cash betel to vake ram swami to elan must to pete heggsett to david sacks to tulsie gabbard to jd vance and so forth fit the recognition of this moment it's not only unique it may be once in a lifetime here for america Let's break all this down. Plus, let's get into the two theories of what's happening there over New Jersey with the drones and the new reporting on FBI, perhaps confidential human sources, resources, buried in the protests and riot on January 6th. Coming up with the guys from Ruthless on The Will Cain Show.

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We adopted our two. We have now together, and they are great together. Getting breeds that are close helps a lot. We get the same breed. We'd stick with Doberman. John Ashbrook and Michael Duncan are two of the co-host of the Ruthless podcast, and they're on set on the Ruthless podcast. set right there beautiful black and white big logo over their shoulders twice as impressive and

professional as the will kane show what's up fellas hey will how you doing man we're also very proud members of the willisha we can't well i got to defend the the jacket pal i liked it i thought it was sort of a crossover it's like if patagonia had sex with wrangler i mean i think you were rocking it. That, and you know what, that brand sort of fits me like Wrangler, but people still think he's kind of a lib like Patagonia. Like, I can't figure out why I have lib face, but the audience definitely thinks I have lib face and the jacket certainly fit that.

It's way, I like it. I like it, Duncan, but people are like, you know, he looks like he could fit in at a microbrewery in Brooklyn. Yeah. Ashbrook, I'm sorry, man. What's wrong? Like, you didn't make the playoffs. Very, very non-impressive performance for you in the Friends of Will Kane Show Fantasy Football League.

I'll tell you what, man, I had the unfortunate position of the first overall pick, and I took Christian McCaffrey, the guy didn't play all year, and it really, really hurt my chances. So I thought I had a couple of close balls. I thought I was going to make it to the playoffs, but I'm watching you guys. You're in the playoffs, right? I did. I got a first round by. I'm on to the semis.

We've got both two a day and tinfoil Pat look like they're going to advance. And Andy McCarthy of former federal prosecutor and national review contributor is also in the semis. All right, before I lay out for you, the two theories I have on, or the two theories that I buy,

they're not my theories, but that I've been reading and I'm sort of like buying into the two theories on the drones over New Jersey. I just want to hear from you guys. like I we want to walk this line I do you know I want to walk this line of not buying something that is it uncredible or that we're way out ahead of the facts but I also don't want to be dismissive of keeping an open mind because story after story after story the open mind seems to

win in fact the conspiracy seems to win all the way up to another subject we'll talk about in a minute January 6th so what do we think right now about the drones over new jersey well I'll tell you will, the government can figure out which grandparents took selfies in the capital on January 6th, and they can figure out who's living in an apartment with an unauthorized pet squirrel. They surely can figure out what is going on with these drones. But the problem is, if they tell us what is going on with the drones, how many people are actually going to believe them? They spent the last four years lying to everybody in this country, and they really are suffering

from this, like, boy who cried wolf problem, where, They lie and lie and lie and lie. And then if they tell us the truth, people aren't going to be sure what to believe. I don't really know what it is. To be honest with you, it's terrifying. We've had lots of jokes about the guys in New Jersey who are like, hey, Duncan was like, hey, we're flying over here. We're flying the drones.

And it's not just the lying, though. It's also the incompetence. I mean, we saw a Chinese spy balloon traverse the United States, you know, before our government apparently even knew. what was going on with that. So I think it reflects a lack of confidence that your average American just has in what our government tells us. What do we got? Forget about it. What we got over the skies here of New Jersey? This is a we got some fellas in New Jersey. It can handle it. But isn't New Jersey like where they made Captain America? So like they made him like literally in a lab. So I don't

know what kind of secret stuff they got going there in New Jersey. So here's the things that are that are making sense to me. But can we first lay some runway? So, we had a congressman go on Fox News who said, he said it's Iranian and that there's an Iranian mothership off the coast, right? He said that. Now, that, and no disrespect to Congressman Van Drew, that doesn't add up to me. Okay, doesn't add up. Like, why don't we shoot that down?

Well, we're worried about a drone falling on a house. What about shooting down the damn mothership over the ocean? Like, there's a, if it's not us, there are too many things. things we could do and would do to stop it. There's just no way. I don't care about it even the Chinese balloon. Like we would do something if this was a foreign power, surely. Leaving it with it's us. If it were a private company, I think they would own up to it. So it's got to be government. Now, I've read two articles today that I find fascinating. I'll give you the first theory. The first theory, it's a new experimental type of drone and people who identified this

type of drone that is both fixed wing and quadcopter about the size of a very, very small SUV, like 8, 9, 10 feet. There's pictures of it, you can see. And it can hover like an osprey, take off vertically, climb vertically, but can also then extend fixed wings and go like 120 miles an hour, which is really fast for a drone, apparently. And I can do that.

And I've read, they've actually run tests on this thing before, perhaps in Key West Florida, and they might be doing this now in New Jersey running tests on something that presumably we would use somewhere else. I like this theory. I think it's interesting. The problem I have with it, fellas, is unless there's just no lack of coordination, well, then why wouldn't the FAA and even

JFK and Newark and all these other airports line in New York? Like, didn't they say at JFK, Kathy Hochel said it's interfered with takeoffs and landings at JFK at this point? So it doesn't seem like something the government is testing that they cleared with other agencies to make sure it's, you know, I don't know, running smooth in America. What you'd think so, I mean, the government could do something like this. And it wouldn't take them very much to say, hey, this is a federal project. We're testing new material and just be done with it.

You know what I mean? But remember back to the 9-11 commission when the biggest problem, the biggest failing of the federal law enforcement post-9-11 that the commission came up with was that these agencies don't talk to each other. So if that theory is correct and federal agencies are once again siloed off. and not talking to each other, it is a terrifying reality that we might be facing. Yeah, I mean, we got congressmen out there talking about whether this is Iranian. And it could just be, you know, some maritime commission is doing a land survey and DOD doesn't know about it. I mean, I don't know. But to Ashbrook's point, these departments don't talk to each other very often.

And back to the whole like adversarial, you know, drones from some foreign power. I don't know what foreign power would be running drones in the United States with running lights on. You know, all these videos you show from, there's like green lights and red lights on these. Clearly, they're not hiding very well. So I don't think this is some foreign power. It's Amazon or it's us and the people in charge don't even know it's us. But yes, my only problem with, and I understand we're speculating. Okay, I'm going to call it somewhat informed speculation.

I don't, there are times, and I'm being up front with the audience, and like, I'm not here to tell you what I think it is, but this is an open conversation where the government is actually creating the scenario of the conversation we're having right now. Like, John Kirby's playing semantics and word games about, you know, what it is and what it isn't, and I, you know, he's literally playing word games. Like, it's not military, okay, but does that mean, could it be intel agency? Like, you just, you got to understand how these guys will use words to avoid an answer. But he has said it's not a foreign power The other thing, and this is out there And so I think it's worth at least addressing The idea is

That It's not so much Who is operating the drones But what the drones are doing It's not about the sky, but it's the ground They're looking for something on the ground And what that is Well, people have speculated

Could it be like a massive gas leak Which would take require like a huge gas leak Not a small gas leak could it be a loose nuke could it be radioactive material could it be all these things that they don't want to tell us because it would cause panic i think this one's interesting because of the localized nature of this as well like it's almost like they've got a geo fence of like we know northern new jersey's a problem so they're just scouring northern new jersey with like surveillance looking for something and i don't know what that something is but they're looking for something

what's that so they're looking for the best pizza spots in new jersey jersey that's what it is i i mean if the fbi i told me they were looking into the sopranos the mafia i'd get it like they're looking for something you know a fugitive whatever they're but you're clearly looking for something what do you guys make of this theory i think that's i think that is entirely possible but again like to your point well they are they're creating the government is creating the confusion around this all they need to do is first of all have some credibility with people which takes probably a brand new administration. We're getting a new brand new administration here in January.

And hopefully what they bring is the truth. I mean, they can bring a lot of things to this country. And they're going to do a lot of good for this country. But hopefully they bring honesty back between the federal government and the people who live here. But if they can't be straight with us with a simple statement that says, this is a federal project, we know, like they don't even acknowledge that they know about it and that's kind of the first step confusion it's like people people in this country

are willing to accept that our government that our military that there are things that they need to do that they don't want to broadcast to our enemies and people are okay with that they they're willing to not know as long as our enemies don't know too but there's nothing wrong with saying this is a project of the federal government and we will release more information when we know when we have more to tell you. And to the point that Duncan was making a little bit ago, these guys just cannot be honest. Yeah. You know, Duncan, talking about credibility. So I have a habit. I don't know if it's a habit. It's partially habit. It's partially the way it works in television. People just leave their television on and end up watching the thing that is after the thing that they tuned in to watch.

I watch Sunday football. I like Sunday football, even when it's not the Cowboys. I like Saturday football, actually better than Sunday football. As a residual of that, I often get 60 minutes. And 60 minutes also has some legacy, entertainment value and credibility that I think has largely been burned. I'm actually referencing this

because it has been burned. I watched Scott Pelly last night from Syria. And you know, man, the whole time I'm watching it, I'm like, I can't watch it the way that I used to. It's like, oh, this is interesting, this is good information. Now, all I see, in the report of Scott Pelly. That's all I see. And nothing against him personally, but this entire brand, and honestly, that entire wing of this industry has totally lost credibility.

Like, I'm watching that going, well, I don't know if it's true or not. The whole time, the whole time, man. And that's only been reinforced, for example, by CNN. Today, today we see this story from CNN, right, that is it Clarissa Ward, walked in, let this dude out on camera, who was supposedly a prisoner of Bashar al-Assad, hadn't seen sunlight in three months, and it's this big emotional moment. Now we understand it's all orchestrated. And he was like one of Assad's torturers. And it was like drama for TV.

And nothing, I don't believe anything. Nothing has credibility, Duncan. Yeah, I mean, you referenced that 60 Minutes has lost its credibility and the first award. But it does feel like it's production television. It's not news anymore. And I feel like CBS has been one of the worst players in all of this. If you watched in the run up to the election, Nora O'Donnell in the nightly news, the way she would set up her packages about the election and just saying the worst things about Donald Trump and then saying, you know, and also Kamala Harris had 10 events and they were filled with joy.

You know, it's just unbelievable how they've sort of exposed their bias in the run up to the election. And I think the American people are wising up to it. Right now, you know, the liberal media is experiencing a lot of audience loss. I mean, most of their audiences on MSNBC have halved since they've. election. And I think we'll get, you know, they'll come back on the left, back to news. But I think their credibility is sort of permanently destroyed now, honestly. Hey, two things on that. Liberals have tuned out, Ashbrook, they have. I went to a party. After I went to Army Navy on Saturday, I went back to New York, went to a Christmas party from some of my old friends when I lived

there. And I brought up the drones thing. They didn't even know what I was talking about, man. They did not have any idea, like a good percentage of them. They've turned the television off. they've turned the news off like since since november 4th they're out checked out done don't want news uh and the other thing i was going to say asper because because duncan brings up nor o'donnell i said at the top of the show when i was at army navy she came into the suite you guys so you guys would probably do way better than i did in this situation i couldn't make happy face i couldn't i couldn't pretend uh i i could feel it on my face and i could see in her eyes that she was seeing it on my face well i you know

what will i'm i'm not disappointed that the libs are checked out it always reminds me of the famous quote from marv levy the bills coach that he said if it's too hard for them it's just right for us and when they cannot watch because they are in such dire straits i feel pretty good they feel they they thought they had the ruse on everybody and everybody said no no no we want don't want your lies anymore so i think like look 60 you mentioned 60 minutes a few minutes ago like i i always took the ticking clock of 60 minutes as is as an indicator that the fun was over that like everything that you work for all week that you're watching football at the one o'clock's and the four o'clock's and then the four o'clocks are over 60 minutes starts and then that's the end of your weekend

time to go to school the next day it really wasn't a depressing sound uh but like these guys are so dishonest will and they've lost the audience on their own it's it's not like we have done anything other than try to tell the truth you know our podcast your gigantic show with your huge audience all we've tried to do is tell the truth to people and everybody's like oh you're taking audience from the left and it's like people are just like hey where can i go to find the truth or at least find somebody who's being authentic with me and telling me that okay you have a point of view and then you're you're sharing that point of view with me the audience is not so stupid, that they believe that CNN, that, that reporter from CNN with the red scarf is all

of a sudden Eureka, she's in the middle of the prison and she found, she found that guy and that's like, it is ludicrous that they think they can still pull that stuff off. And to the extent that they do, it's good for us. I do, I do think they'll be back, though. You know, I compare it to sports in this way. You know, let's say you're a Cowboys fan and you're not having the best season, you know, and Dax hurt and that sort of thing. So you sort of tune out. And it's a little depressing when you see your podcast feed, refresh. And there's like, you know, here's Sunday's matchup. And you can't bring yourself to listen to it because you're in sort of a depressed state of mind. So I understand the whole checking out thing. But boy, when they start

giving you draft previews in the offseason and they start telling you what training camp is like. And they start saying, oh, so and so looks great in training. We're back. Then we're back, right? And then you're consuming everything you're listening. It's all based on what's going to happen in the future, right? And so I think the liberals will come back to media. But I just, I just think, you know, with everything they tried to do to Donald Trump with all of the indictments and then the assassination attempts and then how dishonest they were in the run to the election, I do believe their credibility is forever destroyed in this country. If people believe them, Donald Trump wouldn't have been elected president of the United States again. Well, ABC just paid a $15 million settlement to Donald Trump's what is not to the inauguration,

but it's to the presidential library. That's right. $15 million to the presidential library because George Stephanopoulos defamed Donald Trump. I think Trump should name a whole wing. He should name a whole wing of that presidential library, the Stephanopoulos wing, and it should be dedicated to the fake news media and everyone he's destroyed and made pay him money. Oh, that would be great. That would be great.

the wing is dedicated to fake news. Step into the George Stephanopoulos wing of the Donald Trump presidential library, which I guess has to be at Mar-a-Lago. Has to be, right? Like, where else would you put that library? Has to be. Canada, after we annex it, maybe?

Okay, we got to get serious here for a minute. If we're going to do this with Canada and Mexico, because Mexico's now been mentioned, we can't be eating these things in one bite. We've got to break it up, okay? You guys know this, you're Senate guys. like we can't be adding two big lib states we're going to have to gerrymander this thing into three conservative states and two liberal states and i don't care because that's the truth

and i don't know where you're going to find it in canada like where you're going to find your three conservative states uh and justin trudeau by the way gets to be governor of one Alberta Alberta Alberta will be red yeah um could you make could you carve out could you carve Mexico into a finding a conservative state that politics is different it's different than canada like it doesn't break down easily into left and right in Mexico it breaks down into like who's handing out groceries in the voting line yeah i guess what you could maybe do is do south south Texas and just expand texas south and see how much of mexico would get absorbed and still keep texas a red state and do the same thing with the last

up there in Canada, just sort of expand into greater Alaska and keep Alaska a red state. And then maybe in that disbursement of enough of the liberals in Canada and Mexico, you could carve out some other states through gerrymandering that we could ultimately end up with more Republicans than Democrats. But then, look, there's always the option of treating them like Puerto Rico and giving them a non-voting delegate to representatives. And they can sit on a committee. Well, they can sit on a committee, they can vote in committee, but they can't vote on the floor. I like that. That's what I vote for. Or you get the tariffs. By the way, one last point on the audience. I have started to notice a little bit of a trend. And I think it kind of goes back to what I sensed there in that suite at Army Navy.

I have heard from a couple of friends who are liberals and at least one who's pretty hardcore liberal. And they're softening on Trump. There's a little softening. And maybe it's because they haven't been hammered for the last six months. It's been a month, and they haven't been hammered for the past month the way they were in the years prior into he's Satan, Hitler Satan. But also because I think he's been humanized since this election. And they're seeing like versions of him in Army Navy. They're seeing different versions of him. I'm not saying they're getting to be Trumpers. That's not what's happening.

But they're like just softening a little bit on Donald Trump. Yeah, it does feel a little bit different this time than it felt at this point in 2016. when everybody on the left was saying don't normalize him. The Russians stole the election. And they'll probably get back to that point. Maybe three months from now, maybe six months from now, maybe sooner. But there does seem to be a little bit more acceptance among Democrats that here's what we got for the next four years. We're going to make the best of it.

And part of that is because there's so much infighting on their side. If you look at their side, it is completely divergent between the bill, Clinton types of Democrats. Remember, Bill Clinton went down to Georgia and said famously that if we had a border wall, maybe Lake and Riley would still be alive. That is very different from what the woke Democrats have been pushing in this country. And if you sit in a room with both sides of Democrats, they are at war with one another over who gets to decide the future of their party. And that's probably not going to be decided until their primaries kick up for 2028 when they choose a different standard bear. So as long as they're fighting each other, they're going to be not

as focused on Donald Trump. I just think optimism is back. You know? That's what I think, Duncan. That's what I think. I think it's infectious. And I think they can feel the optimism. Look at what Elon Musk does. The guy's catching rockets out of the air. Like, that's inspiring. People like that, the talking heads in the liberal media or the Democrats on CNN might not want to believe it. But that's how most Americans feel, like Republican or Democrat. And watching Donald Trump salute our troops at the Army Navy game, it was just pageantry, you know, from start to finish. See a Navy run that counteroption slip screen. I mean, the thing was just magical.

And like seeing that sort of spectacle and Donald Trump's there and J.D. Vance is drinking a beer. dude america's just back and people are happy again i honestly think that's it too i think it's i think it's just feelings and the feelings are good um right now okay um i do want to revisit this because i think we should always revisit stories that were lies and there's a long list right now on x and i've kept track of it that's kind of one they've added to over time i mean like really big stories that commanded tons of airtime that have turned out to be false, right? And I'm not putting this, this is worthy of reporting, but it's been treated as though it's toxic, and that is January 6th.

There was the report late last week that the FBI had, I believe the number is 26, they're not necessarily undercover agents, but they're sources. There are people working for the FBI in some capacity, maybe not on the paper, role, but as a source or whatever their connection is to the FBI, there on January 6, 26, three in an official capacity, if I get my numbers correctly off the top of my head, four of these people entered the Capitol, 17 total entered a restricted area, so what some broke down some kind of barrier went into a restricted area. Now, the question is, and you, I know the three of us, I know what you guys do at Ruthless, I know how you come at things and I respect it, and you

always want to acknowledge the limits of what you know but acknowledge here's what we know so far what i just shared with you is enough to blow the lid off what we've been told already like chris ray has said that did not happen he lied a ton about the facts that i just shared with you from an internal report the next responsible thing to do is who were they and what did they do that day what did they do that day because if those people connect to the fbi were instigators that day that's a whole new level of investigation we have to get into when it comes to January 6th. Yeah, no, I listen, I think that there, if you look back at January 6th, Will, and there were people there who did the wrong thing, but there were so many people there

who were just walking into the building and got tagged with charges and tagged with all kinds of bullshit that they didn't deserve to be tagged with. And the government, if they actually knew at the time, which they did what they're now revealing through court documents and through everything else. The fact that they held that back and that they didn't share it at the beginning only adds to this feeling among people in this country. And live when directly questioned. Yeah, exactly. Like, why should why should they trust? Why should people trust anything that the government is telling them if they feel like they're being manipulated with, you know,

information that's being sort of petered out here and there like like why can't they just be straight if they if they expect us to believe that there were so many people in that building with very bad intent why wouldn't they just say that why wouldn't they say that why wouldn't they why wouldn't they delineate between the grandparents who were taking selfies and just walked in and they thought that they were a part of a tour they didn't know and the people who they say are actually there doing bad things like i the dishonesty is really the problem here and the trying to manipulate the media and it's a product i feel like it's a product of the fact that they have been able to manipulate the media for so long they've had willing partners in cnn

where they can just say you know what we're going to be dishonest about about how we're going to disseminate this information cnn's going to help us we got a bc mbcc bcc bcc bs they're all going to help us say what's inaccurate so what's the incentive they did this from the very beginning of the trump's first term before he was even in the white house you know that the fbi and these intelligence agencies started leaking to media the details of this russia investigation and opposition research that was generated by hillary clinton's campaign that was gussied up as this dossier that you had you know james combe going to trump tower and asking you know, the president-elect the United States if he'd, you know, ever been with Russian sex

workers, you know what I mean? And so we need cash patel. We need cash to tell there. We need to learn more from this inspector general's report. I want to know the details of every conversation, somebody at DOJ or the FBI had with those informants in the run-up in the day of January 6th so we can get to the details of all that. But I would also say, obviously, undercover agent is a lot different than informant. Like an informant could be somebody who's in one of these militia groups and is passing back information to the FBI. It doesn't make them an employee of the FBI. That's sort of its own different thing. Now, there may be some nefarious components to that. There may not be. But it's just like, how are we supposed to take all of this as voters who were

lied to about, you know, by Christopher Ray and everybody at the FBI about what happened on January 6th. We just need to get somebody like Cash Patel in there who's willing to shake up the system. them. And to be clear, Ray lied about even what you just said, Duncan, like, you're right. There is a difference between an undercover agent. And whatever word they use for source is called, like, what is it? Confidential human. What's the third word? I can't remember what it is. Confidential human, I can't remember. But it's basically a source. And you're right. There's a difference between that and undercover agent. But to be clear, they knew those people were there that day, ahead of time. The FBI knew those people were there that day. And Ray lied.

about it because he was asked specifically not just about other undercover agents he was asked specifically about this term that i'm forgetting the full term of confidential human source whatever it may be he was asked directly about were did the epa have those people present on january 6th and he said no so if you're lying about that what else what else is a lie um all right uh did you have you ever told you guys that your set looks like a soccer ball like you it to me you look like visually you look like you could be a british soccer podcast right now Duncan played soccer Why? Yeah, we didn't.

So this is all Duncan's doing. He played soccer growing up feels very strongly about soccer, and so I'll let him explain. Okay. Well, first of all, soccer is a fantastic sport, and I recommend kids get involved in it. It's a wonderful way for them to get a lot of excess energy out there, and it's a great team sport. It's a very collaborative sport. So I'm not going to hear any besmirching of soccer on this program. But those are actually our sound tiles.

It's why you can hear our voice in such high, beautiful fidelity. uh yes that's back to the professional thing ruthless versus will cane show you don't have to sell me on soccer i'm all in my boys play soccer uh i like it i watch it i'll go to i'm going to a soccer game today eighth grade game today um but i love that sport uh here's the thing about your professionalism you guys are going places i just know that so that's i'll leave it there ruthless is going places so you're going to want to subscribe um you're getting in er you're not early but you're not late Let's put it that way. You're not late if you get in now because it's going to play.

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All right, coming up, how about stories that were false? This is one that get your blood boiling. Got mine at the time, okay? The Duke LaCross case. brand new moment where the accuser has come out and finally admitted, she lied. Great. But what about all the other liars like the group of 88? Next in the Will Cain Show. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the

trade caddy podcast i hope you will join me every tuesday and thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast dot com Duke LaCross case. Accuser now says, admit, she lied. What about all the other liars? Let's put them on blast, like the group of 88. It's the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com.

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He's talking not about me, but about our own government. Dana Emmett says, I don't think the average person has drones the size of a car. Yeah, these aren't average person hobby drones. Let's be clear. They're not hobby drones. Lori G. says, are they looking for a nuclear warhead? That is what many suspect. David Ramos says, if these drones are spying, why have flashing lights?

I guess to ensure they don't, I don't know, run into one another, whoever the different operators are or into aircraft in the area. I mean, you could argue if they're spying on something. They're not actually, like if they're, let's say that Lori G. is right, and they're looking for something like radioactive material. Well, it's okay, you know, if you've got, I guess unless there's humans hiding it at that given moment. You've got the lights on. I don't know. The whole thing doesn't add up from start to finish it.

Maybe there's a simple reason. It's all escaping us. But for some reason, they're lying. I don't know. I want you to hear this moment. This is the accuser in the Duke LaCross case, who ended up in jail for murder herself. This is what she is now saying about that infamous incident

almost 25 years ago. Watch. I testified falsely against me. them by saying that they raped me when they didn't and that was wrong and I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people who believed in me and made up a story that wasn't true because I wanted validation from people and not from God and that was wrong and I hope. that they can forgive me. So I want to be madder because you can't just go around wrecking lives like that.

But what's done is done, I guess. And, you know, we should be people who can forgive, I guess. You know, I know that. I don't guess. I know that. It's just hard. That's the point of forgiveness. It is, here's the thing.

At least she's asking for forgiveness. What about all the people that just, went all in and the thing is like if you think about it was duke lacrosse the first of these like after duke lacrosse then we had um travon martin and michael brown and then we had bubba wallis and we had jacob lake and we had um nekia bryant remember her she's about to be stabbed and the officer saved or she was about to stab somebody and the officer saved the person's life you've had so many and the truth is never the goal it's division and grievance the goal and by some weird twist and it's like i don't know virtue and audience building and you know who they

are now right you know who they are we know the names they jump in i mean no bigger one than benjamin crump right the lawyer but they jump in and they lie and they accumulate virtue signals and they accumulate audience but duke lacrosse is the original i think it's the original and i want you to think about the people that were all in taking her word despite evidence and in no pursuit of the truth to destroy these young men's lives because why it's four lacrosse players and by the way i didn't know this because i grew up in texas and i didn't james is you youngest doubt, like in two days, you're from the Northeast as well. Like, white guy, lacrosse, that's like dead center, preppy, but fratty, entitled white dude, right?

Like, isn't that like bull's eye? Yeah. Yeah, I played the cross mostly. I played the cross for five years. And yeah, it's pretty much just like that. You know, it's very similar to like hockey. Lacross is probably the worst offender. more so than golf.

Yeah, I was going to say, like, but hockey doesn't have this stereotype, right? So, like, growing up in Texas, I don't even know what the sport is. We have lacrosse now. So I even get it now, but, like, the sport where, oh, you're an athletic, your bro, you're kind of frat, but you're actually also with the sweater tied around your shoulders

and you're, you know, totally fit in at the country club. And, but, like, that's the, that is, or at least was the image of lacrosse, right? Like, in the end, the word is in, Is that fair? Yeah. It's not like your most athletic people either. There's money involved in the sport. You know, it takes a lot to put these things together.

There's a lot of entitlement. Your stuff don't stink kind of attitude around campus. James, I don't know what it was like at this time. When was Duke lacrosse? 20 years ago? 20, right? Early 2000s? I was probably too young for my parents team had talked about this story with me.

I was probably five or six at the time. But I don't know if lacrosse has changed. You just gave an offhand of course. compliment not most athletic i mean i'm going to say something like lacrosse is taken off in texas dudes are pretty pretty athletic now the difference with lacrosse and other sports is they're not physical freaks that's what i'm so what i mean with that is not gigantic tall like basketball basketball you got to be gigantic tall and athletic football you pretty much now have to be a giant not always but like big oh dude and athletic lacrosse like hockey dan are normal size dudes

who are athletic well right i think that's great hockey players are big lacrosse has going for it no i i think i disagree hockey players aren't that big i mean look at alexander they're not they're bigger than me on average no but i mean they're they're pretty good best fighters you know hockey's changed too right like hockey's getting smaller yeah that's true smaller quicker finesse in the 90s it was mallers and big oh dudes and now it's like technical guys smaller yeah anyway but the point of all that

that distraction is that lacrosse fit the perfect profile for this whole case and Duke lacrosse like where people didn't have to think critically didn't want to look for the truth didn't want to look at the facts they're like oh characters in a play

Duke Lacrosse oh Duke is part of this as well Duke everyone entitled right if it were Seton Hall lacrosse it wouldn't have been the same story it was Duke lacrosse Perfect. So perfect villain and perfect victim. And because of that, just a second, two days, because of that, I don't know, Nancy Grace went all in. John, I think his name is John Feinstein from ESPN went all in. They like destroyed people who dared to question their moral judgment. And, and 88 Duke professors, to this day, the group of 88 has not apologized, has not suffered consequences for perpetuating a lie. And forget just the lie part of this. How about destroyed these young men's? life they weren't your perfect villain they were real people with lives that you were perfectly

willing to destroy and now i think you should be destroyed at a minimum i think your credibility should forever be tarnished and never recuperated maybe we can forgive you but maybe you should also pump gas which you know is illegal in new jersey got to pump your own gas in new jersey um but did you guys know that you guys you're northeastern patrick did you know that other way around you can't pump your own gas in new jersey no that's what i mean Yeah, that's what I meant. You can't pump your, you can't pump your own gas in New Jersey. Sorry, that's right, James.

They're really hard about it, too. You actually get up and start doing it. They'll give you a tough time. That's right. So if you want to pump gas, you have to move into Jersey. What's up to it, A's? No, I was doing some research on this before the show, and there was a show that you had mentioned a certain person,

and they made their whole argument about they were saying how much the house cost of these kids, the alleged the defendants, how much the average median household income was and compared it to the town of where this woman was from. So they made it completely about their family's status and their family's money. And it's just, and it's, I want, I'll tell you what we're going to do. As this platform continues to increase, I almost want a board. And I want two things. on the board. I want all the stories that are lies. I want to keep track. And then, what are you laughing at, tinfoil? And then I want, I want, I want a board of all the perpetrators of the lies. Now,

I'm going to forgive people that make mistakes. I make mistakes. That's not about, it's not about that. You make, people make mistakes, right? And we need to own our own mistakes. But there's something different. There's a difference between making a mistake and telling everyone that Jesse Smollett is a victim. There is a difference, right, in championing Jesse Smolier and, and making a mistake, juicy Smolier. Juicy Smolier. And, uh, like, I love it. Yeah. So we're going to get to work on those boards. We'll start with the group 88 and Duke lacrosse. It'll be a big board. That's right, tinfoil. We're going to need a big wall. We can do it. I think we can do it. I want to be careful with making promises, but I think we can do it here on the Wilcane show.

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