Will Cain Country - Ruthless' Josh Holmes & Comfortably Smug and David Wells: Does CNN Hate America? Plus, Did Babe Ruth Call His Shot?

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Story #1: Have we been thinking about ADHD all wrong? Are we overdiagnosing and overmedicating? A deep dive provoked by Will's fascinating conversation on yesterday's TV version of 'The Will Cain Show' with Dr. Drew Pinsky.  Story #2: Does CNN hate America? How do pronounce N-I-L? Another awesome hangout with Josh Holmes and Comfortably Smug from the 'Ruthless Variety Progrum.'  Story #3: Former New York Yankee and World Series Champion David Wells joins to discuss the impact of the recent rule changes to baseball and the new FOX Nation special 'Did Babe Ruth Call His Shot?' Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Three, did Babe Ruth call his shot? We discuss it with New York Yankees legend David Wells. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time, set a reminder and never miss an episode of the Will Kane Show. But if you're listening on Terrestrial Radio, you can always subscribe and catch us in audio version at your leisure by subscribing at Apple or on. Spotify. We've got a big show today with some awesome guests, comfortably smug, Josh Holmes, David Wells, all joining us a little bit later here on the Will Kane show. But I want to bring the boys in from New York, Tinfoil Pat, Young Establishment James, and Two A Days, Dan. Good morning,

fellas. What's up? Morning, Mr. Kane. Hello. How many of you have at some point, and I ask this in HR and personal preference, will allow you to opt out of this answer. How many of you in your life have ever been diagnosed with ADHD? Is it going to be... I have. Two.

Yeah. Two of three. Fourteen years old. I was like seven. 14-year-old. Yep. Seven, James. They knew early.

Oh, I believe it, James. I believe. Despite our conversation today, this might be an accurate diagnosis of James. you guys were you were diagnosed with ADHD did you get um were you prescribed medicine no really no and yes one yes one no well they did but my mom was like absolutely not like we're doing this the natural way i'm not putting a freaking eight year old on a bunch of drugs like you're going to sign him like extra recess and make him run around and get it sign up for swimming get it out of his system

which probably much better off today for that Interesting. And Dan? My mom was like, go for it. Pump them up with whatever you got. Let's go. I don't think my teachers. And they wanted to put you on medicine, the teachers.

They wanted to. They're like, please, James' mom, please, for the love of all that totally put him on some medicine. There's some good reports back in the day. It's all written. It's all so believable, young establishment, James. Well, I find this topic absolutely fascinating. I think everybody listening probably does. the odds are either you or your children or somebody in your family or your friend

have been diagnosed with ADHD and been prescribed stimulants, whether or not that be Ritalin or Adderall, because the numbers are quite honestly through the roof. But there is a, and I have to give them credit, a fascinating article in the New York Times magazine entitled, Have we been thinking about ADHD all wrong? it's well reported it's i don't know tens of thousands of words it took me a half hour to read but i read slow um and it sometimes i move my lips when i read but um it's it's well sourced i mean tons of doctors i want to talk about that with you today um but i want to start with something i want to say that i want to be incredibly sensitive when i have this conversation because not only am i

talking to two guys here who've been diagnosed with ADHD and both pursued different paths and how to treat it. But again, everyone listening. And there's probably a good percentage of people listening whose children are on some psychostimulant because of ADHD or they themselves are on it or at one point in their life were on it. And so it can get, it can feel fragile. It can feel personal, right? Like, oh, am I making the wrong choice for my child? Oh, did my parents make the wrong choice for me? Am I making wrong choices today? But I think there is no doubt that it is incredibly important. And even more so if you are diagnosed, right? It's important society. It's even more important if it affects you or your children. And I don't believe in sacred cows.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has said that he wants an answer to the cause of autism by September. Now, I think that is an incredibly laudable goal. Is it a realistic goal? I don't know. We'll see. I was a little surprised to see the reaction to him when he said that. I saw people that I know who have personal experience with this who felt offended. Forget if you say, oh, he's crazy. But they're offended. by this prospect and i'm not sure why that would be other than they presume he's heading you toward a path of talking about vaccines but here's some things that we know okay autism 20 years ago had a prevalence of one in 150 children today it is one in 36 wow i had dr drew penske on the will can't show he said if you went back 30 years 40 years you're talking about one in a

thousand so incredibly rising rates of the diagnosis of autism you can have conversations about whether or not we're better at diagnosing it if it was ignored in the past but it is rising as soon as i finished the will can't show yesterday all the people around the show so makeup artist cameraman i want to talk about this why because this affects so many people both of these issues not that they're tied to one another but there's a similarity between autism and ADHD and the similarity is there is a taboo against having a conversation that I think is open

we don't know the cause of autism so for me you close no doors you explore every option and if that leads you down the path of something in some vaccine or the schedule vaccines whatever there are no sacred cows that's the way to conduct science

not shutting conversation down so when everybody came in yesterday after the Will Kane show. They started talking about, I mean, I love this. I wish I thought ahead of the time. One of the people just around the show said, hey, I just looked it up during the show while you were talking. Like, what is the rate of autism in other countries around the world? I said, that's fascinating. What is it? And they said, well, the one that's closest to us is Korea, South Korea. They're like one in 34. We're one in 36. But go to Europe, go to Western Europe. You're talking about one in a hundred. You know, so there's.

some there's a lot of things here you can pursue about a process of elimination what are we doing that they're not doing what are we diagnosing that they're not diagnosing and i just think we have to have honest conversations no sacred cows but understanding the sensitivities of everybody who have made decisions maybe not all of our decisions are right maybe they were wrong maybe they were right but you got to have an honest conversation uh and i want to have an honest conversation today about ADHD, Dan. And with autism, I feel like it just wasn't, people just weren't aware of it. I mean, shows like Love on the Spectrum, for example.

People are much more aware of what autism is and how much it affects people. I think that's true. Okay, I think that's true. But I'm going to tell you this. I'm older than you by what, 15 years, 14, 13 years in that range? 13. So, okay, let's do a quick survey. So you and 10-4 are the same age.

James, you're 26 now? 25. 25. Okay. All right, here's, well, I think what you said is true, Dan. I would actually say that probably is more when it comes to Asperger's, the spectrum of autism, right? Where someone would have maybe in the past just been described as weird now, people would say, oh, but he actually has a quantifiable list of conditions that you can see exist on this spectrum. but growing up, I did not,

there's also the kids that are clearly far along the spectrum, like clearly not just Asperger's, but autism, right? Anecdotally, growing up, didn't see those kids, man, like in the 80s and 90s. It's not like those kids, like I know what a kid behaves like and kind of looks like that has autism today, right? And I can't look back on my life and go, oh, man, we called that kid weird,

but he probably had autism, you know, or whatever. We just, it, now we had Down syndrome. There was a lot of kids around who had Down syndrome, and now they're not. And we know the reason for that, because it has over a 90% abortion rate because they can diagnose it in the womb, and it leads to an overwhelming rate of abortion.

We literally had Down syndrome kids, and now we do not. I mean, we do, but you know what I'm talking about, the numbers are way down. so here quickly um i told you was like for me growing up tinfoil growing up you're 37 as well i believe right in that range did you did you have a lot of kids around that were autistic and you guys think you just didn't realize it there might have been one kid in my kindergarten class but outside of that i can't think of any and we should say okay maybe they were in separate classrooms or maybe they went to a different school or whatever it may be but still you have social interactions you

you know, I grew up in a small town. There's not many places that people go very different directions. All right, Dan, did you? Yeah, there's quite a few, but I didn't know what it was called. I didn't know what it was the thing. I saw it around me. Okay, so you think you did encounter kids in your age range that were clearly autistic, but it wasn't diagnosed back then?

Absolutely, 100%. We just didn't know what to call it. All right, and James, you're 25, I would assume at your age now, you've had much more exposure to it and you knew what it was. That and I think the other side of the spectrum too, like I think growing up any kid who had like any little bit of rambunctious behavior, like immediate like teacher aid, extra attention, random labels, and then most grow out of it.

Which you didn't have probably growing up. Well, are you talking about ADHD again now or are you talking about autism? All of it. any sort of learning disability, I think that would require extra special attention. Did you get distracted, James? Did you get distracted? It's getting distracted right now. Yeah.

Were you not paying attention to the conversation? Were you, did your mind wander? Depends if the conversation was any good. Here, I have this pill that will change your life. That might actually be on point. Let's get, that actually, shockingly, James stumbled upon a valid point worthy of exploration. Let's get into it with story number one. so the headline in the new york times magazine is have we been thinking about ADHD all wrong in the

article they start out talking to one of the doctors in the 1990s that pioneered the use of riddlin and the diagnosis of ADHD at a time when it absolutely spiked in the United States this is when the diagnoses and the treatment of ADHD truly began in the 90s now it didn't it started in the 1930s. That's when they first took kids and prescribed them what's called, I think it's benzoprene, which is a stimulant. It's a precursor drug, older version of what ultimately we ended up using when it comes to Ritalin and Adderall, a stimulant.

And in the 1930s, the pioneers of this treatment recognized immediately that behavior improved literally within 24 hours of administering this drug to kids who, had attention deficit disorder. Fast forward to the 1990s, and it's now a malady that is laid out in the American psychiatry's DSM of diagnosable conditions. And at that time, this doctor's name is James Swanson. He worked at the University of California, Irvine. He specialized in attention disorders. He watched as the rise in prescribed drugs and diagnoses. Diagnosis of ADD went up, what they called it, ADD in the beginning. And he thought no big deal of it.

He thought, okay, well, our assumption is that about 3.3% of the population probably has an attention disorder. And so as you watched the prescriptions for these drugs and the diagnoses skyrocket, he wasn't concerned. Today, Dr. Swanson sits on a very different side of this, and that is fascinating. One of the pioneers in the 90s driving this forward is in this, in this arc. article talking about, I think we have gotten off on a very wrong track when it comes to ADHD. So if it's, if it was suspected to be 3.3% in the 1990s, I want to tell you

where we are today. Last year, the Center for Disease Control Prevention reported that 11.4% of American children have been diagnosed with ADHD. That's a record high. And the figure includes 15.5% of American adolescents. So teenagers, you're looking at 15% of them have been diagnosed with ADHD. This far out paces what they originally suspected to be the national average of who would have an attention disorder. Now, why is it skyrocketing?

Well, among the reasons is they to this day have no ability to medically diagnose ADHD. in other words there are no biomarkers it's not like diabetes they don't run a test they run a survey and they have six markers of behavior that they ask parents to help understand it's supposed to be over like a six month period is the kids behavior consistently like this over a six month period and does it survive multiple environments meaning is he like that at school is he like that at home is he like that in sports is he like that all the time now you can ask yourself and they the point is they are asking themselves today how scientific is it these six behavioral markers like

what if you have five do you not have ADHD what if you have one very severely what if you have eight but they're all very you know minor behaviors like what is a true scientific diagnosis of ADHD as they go through this article they start talking about the impact of not just diagnosing, but prescribing these kids stimulants. And so here's what they saw. Immediately, dating back to the 1930s and validated through the 90s and the 2000s, kids' behavior improved within 24 hours. Within 24 hours, they're capable of sitting still, paying attention, focused.

I don't know if any of you've ever taken an Adderall or something like that. It's honestly, if we're being honest, it's incredible. you will lock in you will study and care and like what you're reading about you will in a way that you're like this is the driest stuff i've ever read but man i can't stop reading it it improves behavior immediately but what they start notice is improves behavior but it doesn't improve academics they have cohorts of kids that they have monitored over 20 30 years in different geographic regions across the united states and here's what they found better behavior for about 12 to 18 months and then the effects begin to tail off academic improvement never was there

behavioral improvement started in the beginning and then tailed off over time to where there was no distinguishable or measurable difference between the kids that were prescribed the stimulants and the kids like james whose parents said no we're going to change environment we're going to change how this kid is treated they had some they had three groups one got stimulants one got nothing and third got behavioral environmental changes. Seriously, like James said, we're going to send them outside at recess. They're going to run around.

We're going to try to find a better environment where they don't get so bored. Because what they started notice is a lot of these kids, they interview these kids that took it, and maybe like Dan, don't take it anymore. And one of the things they consistently found is the kid said, of those that don't take it anymore,

well, I found what I was interested in. Like, I'm passionate about this. so I don't have trouble dedicating myself and seeing what I'm into and devoting focus and attention. I mean, it does raise questions about our mass education model, like sitting kids down for eight hours a day,

treating 30 kids in one classroom as though they're all the same. Is that how they all learn? Is that how they all find their passion? Is that how they all focus? And so many of the doctors that at one time believed that stimulants were the answer, today look back on it and go,

huh, maybe it's, it's not stimulants, maybe we need to start considering environmental changes to these kids, and it doesn't come without a cost. I want to share these stats. I held this back, because I find this astounding. Let's go to boys now. I told you 15% of American adolescents run, have been diagnosed with ADHD. 21%, one in five, 14-year-old boys.

23, almost one in four, 17-year-old boys. you're telling me one in four boys have ADHD that defies common sense it defies common sense and this is what I wished I would have mentioned in having this conversation with Dr. Drew yesterday there are negative effects I've never heard this Dan I want to bring you guys back real quickly James do you know of any side effects to Adderall or Ritalin like consistent no I do Zero. What is it, Dan? Yeah, racing thoughts, sleeplessness, you know, restless leg, that kind of thing.

There's sometimes I would just be sitting there like shaking like this. If I, you know, then they... By the way, some kids said they feel real bad after it wears off. Yeah, I was just withdrawal. Like you have a serotonin drop. I went cold turkey once I went to college with it and it was bad for a little while. But then, you know, it was fine. Okay, but you didn't say this.

This is in this article, man. and it seems to be medically confirmed, but no one talks about it, because people would make a different choice. It stunts your growth. I'm six-three. Well, you defied your eye. Maybe it'd have been six-four.

Damn it. You were six-six? I was wanting to be a NBA. But think about these kids, like James said, like age eight, if he'd been putting on it. You know, these kids at age 10, like they say it has a high chance of robbing you of an inch or two of height.

It robs you of your growth. How about that? I mean, look, vanity is a powerful motivator in this world, right? Like, you know, you say to some boys, hey, you're going to be shorter, but you're going to be calmer. I mean, I don't know if people – how about this? I don't think one in five and one and four are making this choice. I don't think one in five and one and four are you so readily diagnosed with ADHD. Last point. Dr. Drew said this to me yesterday.

He said whether or not it's ADHD. He even said when it comes to autism, you need to consider there are other things. This is why we have to have no closed doors. Listen to Dr. Drew. We are at once over identifying this syndrome that we once sort of ignored. And we are both overtreating and simultaneously under treating. And we are approaching it at the same time in the places we're using too much, as you said, with the psychostimulants. And there are other alternatives.

And, you know, I was always sure. trained that without a proper diagnosis, a proper understanding of the biology, you can't have a proper treatment. And something I have known for a long time was that a good portion of the increase in ADHD that I was saying was from childhood trauma. And childhood trauma is well associated with ADHD and childhood and adolescents. And not just trauma, but just adverse childhood experiences generally. And we are ignoring that. And I would argue that it is the over over identifying of the syndrome and childhood trauma that is resulting in at least some of the numbers you're seeing there.

Okay, so that kind of went in one ear and out the other yesterday because I'm going to be honest with you why. When I hear the word trauma, I honestly hear white noise sometimes because I think trauma has become a cliched word that everyone seems to experience and every minute thing that happens to them in this life. However, I got an email right after the show from a doctor who I highly respect. He's in his 80s now. He's been doing this for a long time.

highly respect him i know him i've known him for a while and he said will that was an awesome discussion again he's an md i was taken by the doctor's reference to childhood trauma do you know about aces adverse childhood experiences lots of data now that more than four aces lead to all sorts of diseases and early deaths love to talk to you about aces and their possible link to autism i came home my wife's like oh yeah i know all about aces and what they're trying to start exploring that adverse childhood experiences cumulatively over time what it does, I guess, not just to the emotional state of a child, but the physical state of a child. I just think it's time for an open and honest conversation about all of these things,

especially when we look up and we say one in four of boys are being diagnosed with ADHD and prescription drugs are through the roof. For what it's worth, they now diagnose dogs with ADHD and give them stimulants, including anxiety as well. I mean, tell me that's not about money. Tell me that's not about big pharma. Dogs. That's where we are now, looking for pills. All right, let's take a quick break. Come back to talk to the boys from Ruthless

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Somebody knows. Real cases, real people. Listen and follow now at foxtruecrime.com. I went way too long on ADHD, kept the boys from ruthless waiting. I just said, I'm sorry in the group chat. I sent it to the wrong group chat. I sent it to the TV show group chat. Now they're all saying, oh, so you do it everywhere you go.

It's the Will Kane show. streaming live at foxnews.com. With no further ado, let's bring in Josh Holmes and comfortably smug the boys from Ruthless. I'm sorry, I kept you waiting. And I only have so much time with you. So what a waste. What's up, Phyllis?

What's up, Will? I mean, I would love to jump in on the discussion with autism, ADD. I mean, it was a great conversation. I like you even pulled your staff and you're like, come on, guys. Let's talk about your back notes. I was wondering if Will was going to ask us

to have some kind of like a hippocompient medical history or maybe like an internet switch history before we started here. You know, like something where we can dazzle people with. I've gotten pretty comfortable. I've gotten pretty comfortable with these guys. Yeah, I can tell. But yeah, it did occur to me.

This is inappropriate that you're asking them. This will. No, but Smug, you want to jump in? I want to hear. What do you have to say about ADHD and autism? Well, I mean, I think it specifically caught my attention, the context of, like, you know, teachers are starting to diagnose this. So now the public school experience is, you know,

a public school teacher going around being like, does your child have autism, ADD, or are they trans? Like, that is kind of scary and different from what I remember school being like. Let's keep it out of the classroom for sure. No, you're absolutely right, though. I mean, I hear those stories anecdotally all the time that teachers will approach the parents, like, hey, have you thought about having your kid tested? Have you thought about it?

I'm like, everything is, and again, I'm not here to say that these things don't exist. Obviously, they exist. But I think we can obviously also say, uh, we might, be like pulling and reaching for the bottle a little quickly we might be looking for the diagnosis a little quickly and look if a teacher has a kid that's hard to deal with i mean yeah they're turning i'm not trying to make the teachers the bad guys but they're gonna but they're not doctors and they i don't know that it's appropriate to constantly be saying to a parent hey have you had your kid tested yeah well i i also think just on the autism thing is any parent there's this sort of latent

fear of autism when you bring a child into the world because it's you know it's somehow going to make your kid different right without a full understanding that we because we haven't had discussions like this one of what a spectrum is and where people find themselves on it and you know parts of this that we've had for generations and never really understood the complexities of autism and anything else and I think it's good to have an open discussion about it I don't think that treating it as something that it's just sort of like come out of thin air and inflicted, you know, 132 kids that is productive, right?

Because it doesn't, it's not contagious, to your point. It's not contagious, right? And it's not something where there is no value in the life of somebody who is somewhere on the spectrum, right? It's not like a, it shouldn't be some kind of star or a silver line. You know, I mean, it just is what it is. Helping kids get through that medical process is an important part, I've welcomed, frankly, a further discussion about it, not only in this program, but what RFK is doing.

I mean, I think that stuff is important for parents who have this late in anxiety. I know my wife and I had it. You know, I imagine almost everybody else does too. Sure, absolutely. Speaking of the program, you guys just very, very recently, within the last 24 hours, I believe, sat down with the four commissioners of the big power four conference. in college sports. By the way, nice job. Good good yet.

And I presume they're in D.C. to talk about a potential settlement, the deal with the House and regulation of everything, NIL. I've had long discussions with sports professors about this. I think I've got my hands around it. But tell me what you learned in talking to all these commissioners. Yeah, it was fascinating. I mean, I think off the jump, it was fascinating to us that the presidents of all of these individual conferences, the SEC,

the big 10, the ACC, and the big 12, the power four of college athletics were the ones that were leading the charge. You know, we grew up with the NCAA being the all-powerful regulatory body of anything in college athletics. And now it's really on the conferences to try to sort this thing out. I mean, that's where the TV deals are done. That's where the money comes from. And so these guys have now taken an additional responsibility to help try to govern what is

college athletics. And I think a couple of things that we learned that were really sort of interesting as it pertains to nil in particular the reason that they're up here talking to government officials about potential legislation is that states within their conference have begun the process of trying to advantage certain schools in many different ways and there are somehow there are 32 different sets of rules about what schools and collectives can do to offer contracts to athletes that attend the school And you can't, there's no way to do that as a conference without inherently advantaging the teams that reside in states where they've taken some sort of legislative

action. I'll give you one example. There was an example that they brought up in North Carolina where there was a bill recently introduced. They would make a tax exemption for anybody who wanted to contribute to a university or a collective that was engaging athletes. And no, well, obviously, if it's a write-off in one state, And it's not in another.

There's an inherent advantage for the state that has that write-up. Another one, I don't remember if it was Mississippi or Alabama, something. There was a proposal to have athletes who get nil contracts to be tax-exempt in and of themselves, which is a ridiculous idea. But it's an idea that could take root and severely tilt the playing field for one team over another. They're looking for some just sort of federal preemption on this piece of it. and it gets more complicated for there. But that's like the...

I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical. I'll go to you on this. Like, when everybody starts talking about the House and the legislative body's jumping, I'm like, oh, great. Like, how's that going to make things better? Right?

But that being said, and having learned a lot about this, okay, I'll take one element of it. NIL is one element. Another is these schools are going to have a salary cap as a part of the House proposed settlement. $25 million per school. well okay so we start there and then let the lawsuits roll in like the women athletes are going to sue

immediately for their half of the money and then the football players are going to counter sue and be like whoa we bring in 95% of the money why are we getting 40% of it and so the lawsuits roll in so i think congress does have to do something because they created some part of the playing field with title nine and others to say to enable the incoming lawsuits yeah Well, that was the thing is, for a lot of folks, they didn't understand why would, you know, these presidents of these conferences be here asking for Congress to act? And it's exactly like you said. Congress has already acted before with Title IX, which creates a precedent and that they have already created a framework of what college athletics looks like. So now we're in this new age where you've got NIL.

You have to make that work into the existing framework. And it's, there's so many moving pieces. One of the things that I found most fascinating, and this is how I felt just as a fan, Will, I'm a, I'm not. I'm sure you can identify with this, but as your Supreme Court decision comes down, it's based on name, image, and likeness. That's nil, right? And athletes' ability to be compensated for jerseys sold with their number on it, right? For video games with their names in it, for shoe contracts, for those kind of things.

Those contracts are entirely separate from what we're talking about with a house settlement or what universities can induce donors to basically give them to guarantee money. for their athletes. NIL, in and of itself, is for an athlete that a company or somebody presumes they provide value in an advertising context or because that athlete wears their gear or whatever. That was simply what it was, but of course you get into college athletics, the big money that's involved in it, and this perverts it entirely because your average left guard is going to change your team. Nobody knows the name of this guy, right? He's not going to sell shoes all over the universe. A critical component,

to every football team, but he's not the quarterback. And so it's now gotten into this weird spot where every single university is trying to supplement what nil, as it's classically defined, is with another guaranteed source of income for these athletes. Every time you say this, the record scratches, do you and your buddies call it nil? I've never before today heard anyone say the word nil.

Really? Yeah, I hear it pretty frequently as nil. Yeah, we call it. I think you've been out of sports for a while now, Will. You think so? We're about to find out. I mean, we follow this stuff. Two days, get in our ear.

Two days. Get in our ear. Have you ever heard someone talk about NIL and call it nil? Never once. Unbelievable. Not one time. James. James, your sports fan, you're 25 years old.

You're not cooler than us, but we'll pretend like it for a moment. You're 25. Have you ever heard somebody call it nil? No, it just sounds too kind of European soccer. Oh, my God. You're big city, guys. I can tell you in the town. I'm your friend.

I'm your friend. I'm telling you, you're out on a weird ledge here. Okay? Every time you say it, I had trouble hearing the rest of what you were saying. I was like, why does he keep saying nil? I've never heard somebody say this before. This is frankly insulting. I can't.

I can't. And then I now not like to add insult to injury. We've got a couple of guys in New York sitting up here telling me the way that we should refer to Cal College Athletics. I mean, unbelievable. Well, I'll take it. it from you if you i'm going to tell you this homes find a clip anywhere of anyone in sports saying nil and i will apologize okay just one clip challenge accepted besides you okay all right um speaking of clips before you guys go i want to be your you got to get out here in just a moment uh smug i want

to get you in on this so uh yesterday here's a series of things that happened this is donald Trump taking a question from Caitlin Collins at CNN and saying this about CNN. What you're doing with on the wheel of border? It's remarkable. It has dropped what? 95%? It's incredible. This morning, 99%, 99.1% to be exact. Why are those numbers not in the media? Well, they get out with the fake news, you know, like CNN. CNN over here doesn't want to put them out because they don't like they don't like putting out good numbers they don't like putting out because I think they hate our country actually they hate our country okay Dana bash didn't like that smug here's what she said on CNN for the record since we heard president trump say in the oval office that

CNN hates our country CNN does not hate our country that should go without saying I've been here for 32 years and I see a rhetorical device in him trying to say such a thing for the okay here's my quick take smug

CNN doesn't hate our country they just love our country the same way a wife loves her husband who wants to change everything about him that's a good way to put it I mean I will say that CNN just aired a show saying that the guy who murdered

the CEO was a what a Hillary said? United Health Yeah he's a very moral upstanding guy. Handsome. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of a tough look to go into that.

It is a tough look. It is a tough look. Look, I agree. I don't think they hate the country, but you could be excused for thinking that. I mean, look at the segments that they did. It's constantly rooting against values of sort of the middle of this country. I mean, they've made it debatable. That in itself is like a problem.

It's like, well, it's up for debate. Yeah. That's such a good point. You know, I couldn't be wrong, but you have to be wrong. but you have to admit it's debatable CNN yeah no it's a point of a question that needs to be answered and look I know Dana Bash and I know that she's a journal there a handful of others over there who I think intend to do the right thing but you got to look at the story selection that CNN does on a day-to-day basis and I know you spent some time there will but you know

any time you spend or in and around CNN HQ it's just a different cultural experience like They come at everything from a Republican administration standpoint with a critical eye of what you're doing to fail the people of the United States. Every time there's a Democratic administration, boy, I mean, there's a guy that's stumbling around who can't find the time of day for four years. And they never even asked the question. You know, so, yeah, look, it's a very partisan network. There's no question about that. You know, I'll leave it to others to figure out how much they love or don't love about our country. Okay, before you guys go, we have an update.

Two of days, you have an update on nil. I do. So I looked it up, how to pronounce NIL for college athletics. And the acronym NIL is pronounced nil. N-I-L. What does that mean? What does that mean you looked it up? So Google AI is telling us that's pronounced nil, not NIL.

I think the interesting thing is, could this be a sign that you're on the spectrum if it bothered There's medication for that. Well, there's some good news is there's medication. The thing is, Holmes, like, if you were going around saying the U.S. beat Nicaragua 1-0, I'd at least be like, oh, he's trying to be fancy. He's not going to go, 1-0. He's going 1-0. But you're doing a thing that is, yeah, I know. In this case, you're not trying to be cool. You're just doing your own thing. I've literally never heard anything. anyone else. And I guess I can respect that. Do your own thing, man. Did you say it to the commissioners? There was no danger. Did you say no? Wait, say that again? Did you use the word nil when

talking to the four power for conference commissioners? Oh, I think we did. Yeah. And I think they used it back. I don't know. I've got to rewatch it. But if I find that one of them said this, Will, I'm sending it directly. And I don't care if you're in the middle of your four o'clock show or not. Let's do this publicly. Let's do this publicly. Put it on X. I may even put it on TV. Send it to me. We're doing this publicly. Uh, by the way, you guys can go check the tape for yourself. Go to the ruthless variety program, download it, Spotify, Apple, wherever, and listen to their interview with the four powerful presidents of the conferences. Uh, you want to hear that conversation. Great get. Good job. Thanks guys for hanging out with me today. Very kind.

Will you are the best. All right, there they go. Comfortably Smug and Josh Holmes. Um, fellas, come back in here real quick. Okay, we said goodbye to them. They left the room. Okay, two of days, tinfoil, James. Nobody says nil, right? Come on, you have my back on this. I do, you're right. It's insane. Who says nil?

No, tinfoil. Have you ever heard somebody say nil? You got to unmute yourself, tinfoil. It's a broadcast. That was me. Oh, come on, dude. Sabotage me. Yeah, I did.

Sabotage. Now I look like a... Have you? I don't know. Have you, Patrick? Have you heard anyone say that before? I haven't heard it used, but I also don't know how to pronounce words very well. I read things and I mispronounce words all the time.

Me too. So I'm going to say that. I'm giving you that humility. I'm bad at pronouncing things, but I'm 95% sure that I've only ever heard NIL. All right. We got to go. We got to take a break because we got New York Yankees legend David Wells coming up in just a moment on the Will Cain show. This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America,

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David Wells is a former New York Yankees. and Major League Baseball starting pitcher. He's featured in the new Fox Nation special, did Babe Ruth call his shot? And David Wells joins me. Now, what's up, David? Good, Will. How you doing, buddy?

I'm good. I'm good. Just settle this debate. You're a big sports guy. You know college sports. Have you ever heard someone say name, image, and likeness, and say the word nil? Or have you only heard people say NIL?

NIL. See, thank you. You're welcome. I don't know what nil. If nil could be nil in a card game or whatever, it's, you know, it's NIL. Yeah, you bid nil in spades. You know, that's when you say the word nil. You don't even say it in reference to soccer because you're not European.

You say zero. NIL is about cards. That's the only application I've ever used nil, I believe. All right, David, you did this new special. You're in this thing with Fox Nation. I want to start here. Let's talk about Babe Ruth. You're going to answer the question.

for us or make us watch the series? No, no, no, no. I'll call his shot. Yeah, I'll just fast forward to the, you know, to the answer. Okay, cool. Did he call a shot? He called it. He called it.

You know, I mean, you see all the footage. You've heard all the stories. But, you know, footage really doesn't lie. It's a matter of, you know, who believes it, who doesn't. I believe it. I'm a historian. I love the game. But from what I've seen, from me,

everything, every angle and all that, from him chirping at the guys in the dugout against the Cubs to him and then pointing the bat. And yeah, but you know what, Charlie Root should have said something years ago about that. I don't know if he did or he didn't, but in my eyes, he called it 100%. And that's the Babe Bruce story for you. What is, so you've got three episodes, which you're featured in it, Nick Swisher and other former Yankees in there as well. And you guys investigate this. It says you also investigate,

an investigation of this stature deserves an episode into itself. So you guys deep, deep dive, bring in the evidence. Like what kind of evidence can you marshal that far back? I think you just pointed to testimony from some old timers. But like, what can you use to find out this is what he did? Well, in the series, you'll see different things from him, you know, chirping. like I just said, but point in the bat. I mean, if that doesn't give you, you know, I, in my career, I've never seen a guy point

the bat because if he pointed the bat, he's going to get one in his earloat, you know, just in this time of age. But I mean, now probably not. But back when I played and before I played, you probably would. But so to me, it's, you know, I'm just going off of what I've seen, what I've heard, and what I believe in and, you know, just knowing that, you know, I've talked to people who've known, I've talked to Yogi Berra about Babe Ruth, and people, that's her, his daughter, you know, so to me, it's, you know, it's legit.

I, there's no other way I can put it, it's legit. And, you know, but there's those, those, those people out there who, who don't believe it, but you know what, that's, that's, that's them and, you know, and I believe it and 100%. I'm not even going to go off that script. Take me back to that moment, because this is a thing that exists. What is that saying? My guys on my show talk about it sometime. It's the effect where I think I know something that happened,

but only because I've seen, and it's been repeated to me, enough. Like, I don't know that I've actually seen the moment of Babe Ruth pointing out there. I may have seen a still shot. You know what affects the moment? Also, is the, that my guys are telling me it's called the Mandela effect. I'm not sure why it's called that, but it's also when, like, movies become real life in your mind. And that's part of this. I think the natural affects me.

Like, didn't in the natural, he point, and then he took a wild pitch or something, and then he pointed again, he pointed multiple times and one at bat in the natural, I believe. No, he did. Did Babe Ruth point multiple times in one at bat, or was it one time? Tell me back to the moment. How did it unfold? I think just watching the footage of him going in there and then the Cubs guys are, are, chirping at him and all that and he just and he's looking at him and he's pointing and then all of a sudden he's pointing at the plate he just keeps it there charlie root throws the pitch and

boom the rest is history so you just got to go on the motions you saw like you said you saw the still shot but when you watch the actual footage you know he's putting he's putting his bat out there he's holding it out there right yeah and and so to me that that's proof enough for me it really is I know you said, I know you said you're a historian. Do you know, how big was Babe Ruth? What was he? I think he was six, six three, six two, six three. Pretty round. Okay. Pretty round, but he had a big old head because when I wore the hat in the game in 97, I believe it was,

I had to put some stuff in the hat so it would fit all right because he had a big old noggin. And, you know, I was only seven. Yeah. You're seven and a quarter, what do you think he was? Seven and five, eights. What was he? Probably close to seven and five, eight, seven and a half. Probably seven and a half.

I think it was about seven and a half, maybe a little bit more. But the hat shrunk. When I had it, you know, the hat shrunk. But I had to put some paper, whatever I put in it and, you know, and it fit all right. But I'm glad I got to do it. You know, I got to piss. What do you think? That's really cool, by the way.

you got to wear that hat. That's really cool. Six-three round. What do you think? If you had to pick a modern-day player who resembled Baybrooth physically, who is that? Chaba Chamberlain.

Is that like David Ortiz? No, Jabba Chamberlain. He was a pitcher, but, you know, he, I think he suited up one time and kind of had the look. I suited up in a Babe Ruth uniform. which I still have, but it, you know, they try to doctor you up. They could do anything for you in the movies.

You can look like anybody, but, no, I mean, if you're going to look at guys like that, you know, David Ortiz, you know, he had to him because he was a big guy, but David wasn't fat. He was just, he had a, he was muscle. He just, I think it was a good beer muscle or something. You know, see those guys who drink a lot of beer, and it just, it's just a tight, tight thing. but David Ortiz wasn't fat. I was. What are you,

what are you, by the way, David? What are you playing days? In your playing days. What were you clocking in at? What year? It just depends. I changed. I changed.

But when I was in Toronto, I think in 1990 and 2000, when I went back to Toronto, I think I got up to like 280, 275, 280. And then when I was back with the Yankees, I was down to 240 because Steinbren had that weight clause on me. So I had to stay under that to make my money. So it was a lot of money.

But if I didn't do it, that's a lot of money lost. So I had to bust my ass to get to where he wanted me to be. Incentive is a hell of a motivation, isn't it? What did that do, by the way? What kind of motivation was that? Did you have to just diet, start eating? I mean, I eat good anyways, but it's like in baseball, you've got night games and then you're, then you have, after the game, you have the spread, you're hungry or whatever, and then you go out and you start drinking and then you find a hot dog stand or a diner or something and you just cry. And that's what you do.

That's what you do. I mean, but it didn't matter because, you know what, the big, well, bigger, I pitched, I won the most games in my career. at the heaviest weight I was. I won 20 games in 2000, and I think I was like 275-280. So it didn't really matter to me. More of the Will Cain Show, right after this. I'm Janice Dean.

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It is five days a week, every week. Download and listen at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. Do you think it could have even helped? You know, I talked about somebody. Oh, be a Jim Palmer on me. Jim Palmer told me that. He says, if I would have just been, if I would have been thinner, I would have won a lot more games. That's eye-wash to me.

well it's fascinating um i have a buddy that played baseball at least through college and then a lot of his teammates went on to play uh professionally some of them in the majors and the body types on pitchers was it's all over the place it's like trying to say oh you look like a navy seal there's no such thing like they're they're short ones tall ones you know every version of a navy seal but i mean we had pitchers i went to pepper dine pretty good baseball program we had guys that were six five and skinny you know looked like randy Johnson, we got guys that are short and stout. I mean, it's all over the map. It is. It doesn't matter what you are. I mean, but, you know, as, you know, later in my career, they wanted

everyone, they was like, they started changing the foods in the clubhouse. They wanted you to have more nutrition, better nutrition, take away all the sweets and all that kind of stuff. But, you know, it's just guys are going to go out and do it anyways. They're going to have, you know, they're going to what they want but you know all shapes that you look at bartola cologne he was a big boy you know micky lowledge he was a big boy towards the end of his career but he pitched well so there's a lot of guys that can handle that you know handle that i was still fast i could still i could still fill my position i could uh you know i could still run i wasn't hindered by anything like that and you know i was i was a pretty good athlete i mean at you know at 240 250 pounds i was still playing basketball

and slam dunk it. So to me, it was just, you know, it just depends on each individual. I think we got on to this because we were talking about Babe Ruth's size. I do want to ask you a couple quick questions about the modern game. So what do you think, first of all,

and you've probably been asked this a million times, but not by me. What do you think of the pitch clock? Can't stand it. I believe that, you know, the way they put this is the game, game is there nine innings. If you don't want to stay, then leave. You know, you have that right. You know, it's just everything. They're trying to change the game. I don't know what Manfred's thinking about. I don't like the guy. You know, I had a lot of run-ins at them when I was playing. But to put the pitch clock out there and force these guys to pitch. And it could be in a crucial situation where, you know, you run out of time. It's ball four and it runs scores. You know, to me, that just doesn't work. And to me, I looked at it, you're going to blow guys' arms out. because they're rushing themselves instead of taking it.

I work quick. There's a way to work quick, but then there's guys like Brad Penny, who was a great pitcher, but he was slow. Storm Davis, a lot of these guys, you know, we call them human rain delays, but they got the job done. They don't need that pitch clock. Well, that's actually a question I wanted to ask you as well. So I think the pitch clock's too new to be the reason or the answer to this question.

But look, growing up, you know, I guess I kind of grew up, not unlike you, in that, I'm going to call it that Nolan Ryan mindset. Like, what are you talking about pitch counts? Like, pitch until you're done. We're not worried about how many pitches you've thrown. Right. And today, we're in an age where you've got six, maybe seven starters. So you've got longer rests. You've got shorter outings.

And yet every time I turn around, I see one of my favorite pitchers on my, on my kids. team getting Tommy John or something. It's like we're throwing less and injured more. How do you explain that? That's because they don't, I've talked to a lot of guys in the minor leagues over the years and they don't let them play long toss. To me, long toss was essential because it stretches your arm out. You get a dead period during a season, you know, sometimes. Not everybody does, but some guys do. So you want to keep that arm extended. So you play a lot of long toss. I played it every day. That's why I had a rubber on. And to me, it was good. But, you know, when you're, when you're short and you have the pitch counts, these guys are trying to throw as many

pitches as hard as they can and because they know their time is limited. So that's going to blow their arm out. And they're going to, they're going to mess up. They're going to go against the green somehow, some way on a pitch. It's not going to be right. And then there's a little tweak and there's Tommy John. There's rotator cuff or something like that. You know, I, the greatest manager in the world to me was sparky anderson and the biggest inspiration that he gave me every five days seeing the ninth inning kid or see you after the ninth inning kid that's what sparky Anderson would tell me i pitched 152 pitches in one game and i still couldn't get the third out i was just like he came out and got me he he was yelling at me he was giving me the business and

you know and i did a two games in a row where i couldn't get the third out and i had over you know 150 pitches so but the next day i went out and played long time that was good who's your favorite pitcher today to watch or appreciate just who you find yourself rooting for and liking um you know i liked mac uh max scherzer i liked um um uh verlander i don't know i think i don't know if they're hurt still playing because i haven't watched a game in like five years but uh really yeah i mean it's it's i mean i'll get bits and pieces here and there but i haven't literally he watched the full game. And, but, you know, Kershaw, I like him.

He's the lefty. He's a good kid. He's got a lot of, you know, he's got a lot. He's an older pitcher now. So he's pitching smart. You know, that's what you do. When you lose your velocity, learn how to pitch smart. And that's what he does.

So Kershaw is a good one. Yeah, all three of those guys, by the way, still playing. All three warriors. Yeah. To their career. Okay. Lastly, what do you think about torpedo bats? I think they're doing everything to make the offense better and the pitching weaker.

They moved in parks when I was still playing. You know, guys were complaining. I pitched the first game at Petco Park in 2004. And I remember Ryan Clesco coming. He hit three bombs. I mean, they should have been 20 rows deep. And they were warning track power. And then one of the guys on the Dodgers, a pitcher hit a home run.

And Clesco was furious. So they moved them in and now they're changing. the bats they're doing this so i just think they want more offense i think it's that's what the fans want but to me i'd see you i'd love to see a one-nothing game i'm pitching you i'm biased obviously but you know i just want to see a good game and you know with with goose got our brett brett uh with uh george brett and uh goose doing the uh with the pine talk so you know there's a lot of things that they're trying to eliminate and you know what they might as well just put no teams on the baseball for the pitchers and then you're going to have a hell of an offensive

game yeah um all right finally back to this babe ruth thing um so we get to find out it's a three part series investigation into that at bat did bay bruce call his shot um what was your favorite thing to learn about this i mean i'm assuming you've worn as a uniform you're a yankee um you know at some level you're a big fan i assume of of babe ruth so what did you like about doing this and about this moment. You know, it's just because I did so much reading and just reports on Babe Ruth as a little kid going through school and just watching the doctrine. That's why I love the Yankees so much as a little kid because of him. And then being a Padre fan growing up in San Diego and then, you know, and loving the Yankees. And then when I got a little older, Ron Gidger became

my favorite pitcher and Steve Carlton because they're both lefties. I couldn't, I didn't have the mechanics is him. But so Babe Ruth just really, you know, just stayed with me all these years and to learn more and more read up about them and just hear the great stories and the bad stories that he did. I mean, you know, if I don't know what Joe Tori would do now it is if he had Babe Ruth, you know, when we were playing because he was just, he was a man of his own, of his own destiny and he did whatever he wanted. And I tried to emulate that a little bit. I think that's probably why. Yeah. But that's why Babe Ruth was just so great because no matter what he did he went out on the field and he met business when he got between the lines he did

what he had to do and and obviously you know the history shows that so that's why he's the greatest you know the figure of all time maybe not the greatest baseball player of all time but he's the greatest uh inspiration and you know of that era he was the best but then you know new eras come up because then you got Hank Aaron you know who out did him and he was he was one hell of a player too right an inspiration to david wells on and off the field that's that's good stuff uh more though not anymore i did bay ruth call his shot it's available now on fox nation it features david nick swisher and others in looking into this infamous moment here uh with bay ruth thank you so much david great to talk to you thank you i appreciate the time well thank you very

much big fan of yours as well so maybe i'll meet you in person someday it'd be great i hope so I hope so. Let me know if you're in Dallas. Come down on the set, hang out on the Will Cain Show. Thank you, Dave. That would be awesome. I'll get there. Okay, good deal. There you goes. David Wells.

Legend, Major League Baseball pitcher. Okay. The challenge is on for Josh Holmes to find me one clip of somebody in sports in the real world saying, Nill, we'll find out if he can do so before this day is over. But that's going to do it for us today. We'll see you again tomorrow. Same time, same place here for the Will Cain Show.

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