Will Cain Country - Senator Markwayne Mullin: Inside President Trump's 'Liberation Day' Tariffs! Plus, Will & The Crew Talk A.I. And Val Kilmer
Episode Date: April 2, 2025Story #1: The Secretary of Defense says there will be equal standards for women in combat. Why is the Left suddenly concerned about MS-13 and due process? And what will the economic fallout really be... from new tariffs on "Liberation Day?" A conversation with Senator Markwayne Mullin (R-OK). Story #2: Quick Takes: Elie Mystal claims on 'The View' that we should do away with all laws before 1965, a father is arrested after leaving his three children at McDonald's during a job interview, and is the outcome of the GOP's loss in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election a warning sign? Plus, did Will have a robot on his 4 PM show? The Crew discusses just how much AI has affected their lives. Story #3: Rest in Peace, Val Kilmer: Will shares his Top Five Films from the late movie star. You'll never guess number one. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing WillCainShow@fox.com Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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one no more lower standards for women in combat says the secretary of defense why is the left so
concerned about ms 13 is it truly a concern overdue process and its liberation day the effects
of tariffs set to go into place today april second with senator mark wayne mulling two quick take
from doing away with all laws before 1965 to whether or not I was interacting yesterday
with a robot, quick takes.
Three, rest in peace, Val Kilmer, the top five films of the star from the 80s and 90s.
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Mullen, and we mourn the loss of Val Kilmer. I don't know if the guys are too young to remember,
but Val Kilmer was a big-time movie star, and I think I had a run there where I wanted to see
everything he was in. At one point, some of his movies were my absolute favorite, and one of
his characters to this day stands the test of time. Still quotable, still in my bio on X. We're
going to get into all that today here on The Will Cane Show, but let's get started.
with story number one.
Senator Mark Wayne Mullen from Oklahoma joins us now, already smiling.
When you were on the Will Kane show and I was giving you a hard time about being an
okey and having two first names and your technology didn't work and you couldn't hear me
and you simply mean mugged into the camera, I thought, did I do it?
Finally, did I go too far?
And I sat on air, God, I hope his IFB doesn't work.
And finally, finally to much relief, I heard you go.
I can't hear him. I can't hear anything.
But the audience thought you were ready to take me down.
Well, I couldn't hear anything, but even then, I'd still laugh about it.
It doesn't make, you know, if you're not making fun of your friends, are you really friends?
Exactly. We just saw the research on that yesterday.
Yeah, which, by the way, makes me want to understand this.
You said you was interacting with a robot yesterday.
I just want to know if it was a companion robot, because I've heard those are getting popular.
I want to know what you mean by companion.
The robot thing is weirding me out because I'm actually starting to see it.
I can actually see it, Senator.
Like, if they're telling me these things are going to retail, let's put the over under at $30,000, I mean, that's a, you know, that's an affordable vehicle.
And if we're all going to have affordable vehicles walking around our house, doing the housekeeping and maybe cutting the lawn, and then they've got all this AI interface, I'm like, what can't
it do and then i'm in this whole world and senator this isn't where i intended to start with you
but then we're in this whole world and i talked about it this weekend with a couple of my buddies i'm
like what does work look like because if it's doing away with all these jobs like carl marks's
vision was that we at least on paper would live this life of luxury right where necessities
were provided for by the government well forget the government now but if we live a certain level
of means right and poverty is redefined we already know it so poverty in america's defined
by obesity and having access to a cell phone.
So if poverty then at a minimum level is defined by having a personal robotic slave,
what do we do, like with our time?
Seriously, like what?
That's a real fascinating question for humanity.
Where do you derive purpose?
How do you spend your time?
Well, it was, say, idle hands on the devil's playground, right?
And you get into proverbs, not to get done scripture, but you can get into proverbs
about a lazy person, you know, you can just go on and on and on.
But here's what you're real concern is.
I mean, tongue and cheek here, what they need to do is make sure that before you know on a robot, you don't have any kids at home because the kids are designed to learn chores and chores turn into work so they won't be lazy and they can actually provide for themselves so they get older.
That's the whole other thing.
That's why we live on a ranch or kids, you know, can learn an actual how to work with their hands and a work ethic.
That's my job, right?
Now, what they decide to do is they get adults, that's on them.
But the real concern that you have, and just to kind of be not hypothetical, but being serious.
If you can teach a robot to do our daily chores and to build what we build in factories and to mow our yard and to cook, and by the way, to be a companion, then how do we start fighting wars?
And if you don't have any loss of life, you're not mourning the loss of more than a robot, what keeps you from having endless wars at that point and the world could turn into not, I'm not trying to be crazy here, but the world at that time.
could turn into a lot more chaotic issues because you have idle time on your hands,
which is always a threat to almost every world war we've ever had is because we had
to, you know, recession going on.
You had a lot of young people with a lot of time in their hands, and you had anger that
was building because they had a lack of self-worth, which we are designed to have.
And you have robots now that can fight your wars at no human cost.
it right you're talking about a different world that we live in today
the guy had on yesterday who i accused of being a robot because his answers were so perfect
and he was his cadence was robotic um his argument to me was well we can spend time and raise
children focused more exclusively on good becoming good human beings okay fine maybe maybe that's
how we end up spending our time maybe not to your point maybe idle hands are the devil's
work um but the big takeaway for me is like think of
about what you're thinking about today and you and I are going to talk about like the effects of
tariffs and the ability to bring back manufacturing maybe a short-term recession a lot of things
we got to consider I think within five to ten years we're talking about this as a policy basis
and on a day-to-day basis because whatever the answers are and for that matter what even the
questions are we don't even know the right questions to ask about the impact on humanity we only
know that it's going to be massively disruptive and massively revolutionary and I think that
when we, in any number of things that we're facing in humanity right now, I don't think we're
capable of grasping the speed of change we're experiencing. Well, you know, technology was sold
to us to give us more freedom, right? But yet we're never out of touch anymore. We work 24-7.
You know, cell phones, how do we ever run our business without cell phones? I mean, whoever had
a landline, we thought pagers were disruptive. Now you think about cell phones are constantly
their life. Yet it was supposed to be more convenient for us. We had computers that were supposed to
help us with our workload and both to be able to compute it faster so we could be able to
spend more time. It's supposed to be quality of life. But really, is our streets safer today with
all the technology we have? I mean, can our kids really go outside and ride their bike to school
if they want to without parents worrying about it? Because that's what I did. I got kicked
off every school bus at a small school I went to, and I had to start riding my bike to school
every day in third grade. And I rode down a busy highway. And no one ever thought about me being
abducted. But you would constantly think that. Would I allow my kids to do that today in the same
small town that I was raised in? No. And so the technology has not made our quality of life
better. It has not made our streets safer. And I would argue that it's made it worse. And so I don't
see technology what the gentleman said about, you know, restoring us to be able to have the quality
of life. We had a quality of life when the dad was home every day and had supper with his family
around the dinner table. That was a quality of life. We don't have that in our streets anymore. So I don't
mean to go off on that rail. No, we were going to talk about terrorists and stuff. But as a father,
six children. Technology has not made us better. Technology has made it worse because now at every
restaurant you go to, you have kids doing this on their phone instead of interacting with their
parents. You have, you know, in our house, I can sit down at the living room to watch a movie
and I have six kids, even though I got three in college, they still come home most weekends.
And when we sit down to even watch a movie at, in the evening time, they'll, three of them
will be on their phone while they're watching a movie. So there's no quality time there.
So anyways, I'm just going on a rant here.
I'm just saying that I disagree with what the guy said yesterday.
It's, I mean, it, get philosophical really quick.
Like, what are we and who are we without purpose and without demands on our time?
Because really what we're talking about with technology is, what have we done with access to information and more freedom?
And that may be in the end is an indictment on humanity.
What we do when we're given all this blank space.
The debate is not whether or not you can take me.
Okay.
So let's just pretend for a moment that you were mad at me.
day. The debate is not whether or not you could take me. But here is the debate I came
away with or I was questioning. I was watching you at the NCAA wrestling
championships and congratulations to your Oklahoma State Cowboys. Is it Wyatt
Hendrickson? Is that his name? White Anderson. Yeah, good man.
And I was thinking, did you wrestle? That's what I was thinking. And we may have talked
about this in the past, but I already see you nodding. That's a fascinating thing if you
wrestled because the Red River oh yeah well you look like a wrestler like you kind of look
I didn't even notice anything with your ears you look like a wrestler um the Red River is a dividing line
like that's not a thing on the south side of the Red River and then once you go over to the north
side of the Red River you become Midwestern in that way like you're Nebraska and who else is
into that Pennsylvania and all of a sudden Oklahoma you guys are into wrestling yeah which is
why if we ever go to war against Texas, we will win, because you guys play football,
but you take five football players and five wrestlers, and I'll tell you who's going to win,
and the football players will tell you that, too. And I don't care if the wrestlers are 167
pounders and the football players are 255 pounds. We will win.
Oh, we're like Russia. We can throw numbers at you. I mean, the body count, the number of people,
it's just a mismatch. But we got automatic weapons.
Well, don't think those aren't on the south side of the Red River.
So I'm going to take that bet.
Maybe not on a one-on-one.
Maybe not per capita and maybe not one-on-one, but it's a mismatch, humbly senator here.
It's like a buddy of mine who's from Canada said this whole Canadian, like, should they become a 51st state thing?
And he thinks it's funny.
He goes, it's interesting.
It's not a could or couldn't debate.
It's a should or shouldn't debate.
Like there's nothing in the American psyche is like, could we take Canada?
It's all a moral proposition.
Should we or should we not take Canada?
You know, I saw a meme today that someone that my wife sent me, actually, and it was a Canadian
comedian talking about, like, we don't have to have what we worry about border security.
We have America on our side.
We can set back and be hippies because we also know America will also fight our fights
because it's their fight too.
So we're good.
And I started laughing.
I was like, well, that's true.
So it's not a matter of could we?
but should we would probably be the right question.
Now, to get back to wrestling real quick,
my boys, I got two boys that actually wrestle
on Oklahoma State team too, and so they're
teammates with Wyatt. So there's
a big... Oh, cool. Yeah.
Oh, I didn't know that. It was cool to see you
at the championships with President Trump,
Nealon Musk, and others
that day. So here
we go.
Honestly, if I'm being
upfront and honest
and I always intend to be, I don't know
what to make of tariffs. I don't know what to make of
Liberation Day. The markets don't know what to make of
it here today in the short term and that's okay we shouldn't be judging economic policies on the
short term fluctuations of the stock market but um we do want to see this work out over the long term
does it bring back manufacturing if where there's a short term spike in inflation is that balanced
out over any given period of time does it set off a trade war internationally we're going to hear a
lot today and i honestly senator have no idea uh i have no idea what to expect so what i would say is
is go back to look at history.
President Trump did something similar to this,
his first term in office,
and we saw bring home wages raise for the first time in decades
at a higher rate than what we used to,
past inflation.
We saw inflation drop 1.4%.
So we've been there.
The president's done that.
He's able to do it.
Then we saw everything turn with the four years of the Biden administration.
We've got to reset.
Here's what we have to do.
we're not looking at today's gain. President Trump is a business person. He doesn't look at the next election. He looks 10 years down the road. That's why he's extremely successful in business. We're building a future for the next generation. We're building an economy that the next generation can actually manufacture stuff. We have lost manufacturing here, which puts us as an extreme disadvantage, God forbid, if we were to go to war. We're not making metal equipment here anymore. We're not making machines here anymore for any machine manufacturing out there.
We're not making medical supplies here anymore.
Most of our vehicles are assembled here, but the parts are not made here anymore.
We couldn't stand up, the industrial war machine like we did in World War II if we went to war
because it would take decades.
I don't say it.
It would take probably a decade, eight years to actually get us to where we need to go.
So that's one, that's the national security risk.
Talking about the economy itself, though, after just a short period of time, you're going to start
seeing these countries come to the United States. They're going to come back and have
what the president has said about reciprocal tariffs. Now, reciprocal tariffs isn't just
1% for 1% or 0-0. It's also access to the economy. I'd like to use this example all the time,
Will. China or Japan has 0% tariffs on American-made vehicles going into Japan. But you cannot
go there and buy an American vehicle because their rules to the access of their economy
through the government, makes it impossible for a dealership to actually be set up that can sell
American-made vehicles. So it's not just tariffs, it's access to the economy. If we put American-made
products against other countries, we will win every single time. The country that wants to do
business so thus so, they need us more than we need them because they want access to the world's
strongest and greatest economy, and that's the United States. But we can't allow manufacturing
to lead the United States, go to that country, build a product, and then bring it back to the
United States to sell it. That's where the unfair trade deals have been taken place that we have
had put in place since after World War II to stand up China's economy, to stand up your economy,
and then after Vietnam to stand up Asia's economy, and then after a Korea war to stand up
South Korea's economy. We have allowed people to take advantage of us, and President Trump is the first
president in our lifetime to actually say, wait, it's time to write the wrong. So will there be some
volatility for the first few months? Maybe. But long-term gain is going to be great for America.
So I've seen this graph recently. If you look at world trade in the year 2000, two-thirds of the
world, maybe three-quarters of the world's major trading partner was the United States.
In 20 years' time frame, that has totally been flipped. Now it's China. Two-thirds of the world's
major trading partner, primary, biggest trading partner, is China. But a lot of that,
obviously, Senator has to do with the low wages. It's, it's, they just have a lower cost of
labor than we do. So, well, are we to presume that tariffs can, okay, I get the offset,
I get access to markets, I get reciprocal tariffs, but how do you beat the simple economics of
it's cheaper to make it in Vietnam? So you can say that, but they can't move products as cheap as we can.
We have an infrastructure that China can't compete with.
We can move product from point A to point B faster and more efficiently than China can.
Now, once again, why has China's economy even stood up in 20 years?
It's to go back all the way to Nixon when Nixon was trying to normalize relationships to them.
It was just 10 years ago that 75% of the products that was made in China was actually, that was made in China, was actually sold to the U.S.
China decided to start diversifying themselves with the Belt and Road initiative,
to try to limit their exposure to the United States economy.
We did nothing about it.
What's happening, though, in China,
that, yes, they have cheap labor,
but still yet, it's a tremendous cost for them to ship products.
So the Chinese government,
they actually subsidized them on top of that product,
which is why they carry a lot of debt.
Some people will say their debt and ratio towards their economy
is actually higher than the United States.
when you start actually looking at the yen and you're looking at the dollar, which is why the
yen is so volatile because they're not, they don't do actual reporting like we do.
So they have, they continue to subsidize their products to be able to get to these markets.
Remember, China doesn't look at a 10 year or a five year projection.
The Belt and Road initiative is a 100 year project.
What they want to do, if you understand the belt, you've got to understand it.
The Belt and Road, first of all, they build a.
road to connect everything to China to make people have an exit ramp to China. Once they become
part of China, they put a belt on China, on the on the on the on the on the world. When they get
the belt, they actually squeeze it. So in China, understand what the belt means. The belt is actually
has two meanings. It has one that's obvious hold up hold things together. That's the belt. Hold the
things together. Two, it's a way of discipline and in and it shows a stream disrespect when you
are belted where they actually belt you across the face. This is understanding.
what the Belt and Road Initiative is.
So once they get people dependent on China,
then they put the belt on it.
They start tightening it up.
They start running up the price.
And then people can't complain about them sucking the dollars running towards China
because no one's left to compete with them.
That's the whole road.
We don't in the United States look that far down the road,
but President Trump finally is.
He understands what they're doing and he's trying to fix that now
because there may not be another president in our lifetime
that has the, I don't know, where I come from,
I just say the guts, has the guts to do it.
Yeah, right.
I know what you wanted to say there.
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I know, you stopped because you're a senator
I know
I realize what I do now
I know I've struggled honestly I've struggled
with that for years, even going back to ESPN, I started saying stones, which I'd never stay
in my real life. Who says stones? But it's the closest I could get, you know, I mean, but guts
works, I guess. SET-Dev, Heg-Seth says women in combat will have to meet the same physical
requirement standards as men. It seems intuitive. It makes you wonder how we ever got to a place
where this wasn't the case. You're in combat, physical requirements, male or female, same.
You know, I would say I'm fortunate to have a very good friend of mine.
I'm not going to mention her name here, but she actually went through selection.
And she was a world class athlete, Olympic athlete, wrestler.
She is very strong, very outspoken about this.
And she says, if we want to serve alongside males, then there's 100% we should have to meet the same requirements.
And any true female that wants to compete on that playing ground will tell you it's an embarrassment to actually lower the standard for me to be able to meet the or to qualify for the same position.
And so I think most females that are that competitive that are wanting to charge ahead, I think Secretary Hexeth is doing exactly what they want to do.
Don't lower the standards.
Don't insult me by lowering the standard of qualification.
I want to meet the exact same qualifications as my counterpart that's a male because I want to be held at that same standard.
I don't think there's anyone that would argue with that that that level of physicality, I guess.
I agree. Finally, I want to ask you about this. And I got into a debate yesterday with Congressman Ivy about it.
But, you know, from a political perspective and maybe an ideological perspective, it's just how do you find yourself as a Democrat constant?
arguing for the rights and the empathy of not just illegal immigrants, but in many cases
criminal illegal immigrants, gang member, illegal immigrants. It's just, I mean, it's certainly
revealing at some point about where they devote their passions, right? Now, their rebuttal to
that, their rebuttal, because I've heard it firsthand, is due process the law. The Trump
administration has admitted this guy in Maryland, illegal immigrant, alleged gang member,
determined gang member, or likely gang member by a court at one point, was deported. But it was
against a court order, Senator, because there was a temporary protective status on this guy
claiming asylum in El Salvador or from El Salvador, and that's where he's deported to.
So the rebuttal is, hey, you violate a court order.
Trump administration admits an error, but what do you think we should be concerned about
when it comes to the implementation of these deportations?
Like, are we doing it to minimize these errors?
Yeah, first of all, I don't say, I don't think a district court judge should have the authority to put an injunction nationwide against the President of the United States.
I don't think that with a, that's what a district court was designed.
They are designed to look after their own district.
So for them to go beyond that is beyond my comprehension.
Now, I'm not an attorney.
Well, I paid a lot of attorneys.
I'm not an attorney.
But when you're a guest inside the United States, you don't have the same due process, if you want to say, as a.
an American citizen or even at NPR or LPR, illegal permanent residence.
So you are a guest. Even if you claim the asylum, you're still a guest. And if you break the
law and being a gang member is breaking the law, by the way, if you break the law, you can be sent
back. That's part of the immigration. If you're here on a student visa, you can be sent back
if you're openly supporting a terrorist organization. If you are, that the president of the United States
has openly said they are designated as a terrorist organization.
You're supporting an enemy of the state.
If you break the law here, just like you would if you was in any of the country,
you are not, you don't have the same due process.
You are eligible to be deported immediately.
Yes, yes. You don't have the same due process, but you do have some due process.
Sure, because you've got to show that you did commit the crime.
After that, you're out.
Yeah. All right, we're down to like two minutes together. And I saw this and I wanted to ask you about this. I saw a video you posted. And you told me before about your Cherokee heritage. And you showed a little tour through your office. And you had the Cherokee alphabet up on the wall. I think you said, was it your grandmother? Was that what you said? Had that up? Yeah. So my great aunt, my great aunt actually stretched the hide and wrote the alphabet. So when I was in school, they taught the alphabet, the Cherokee alphabet, right,
the English alphabet until third grade.
So you learn to write Cherokee as you learn to write.
Can you speak any Cherokee?
You know, I used to, I don't, unfortunately something that you've got to be surrounded by.
I understand it pretty well, especially if I'm in the conversation and I understand the
conversation.
My parents actually still go to a small Cherokee church that they preach and sing in and
Cherokee.
They also do English too.
They do it hand at hand.
but so if I go to the church service, I'm in it for a few minutes. I can understand it pretty well, but I don't speak it. Um, that really goes to something. I have a bad speech impediment. I, you can't tell really every now and then when I get tired you can, but I don't hear syllables. So I had to learn how to actually speak by tongue placement. So the way, so I read people's lips in their tongue. And so if I can't repeat a word, I have to look at how you place in your tongue. And so for me to do a language, I don't hear the word the way that you say it. I can't pronounce it right back to you.
So that's why I have a hard.
I understand language is actually more than I can speak them.
That's too much personal.
Last question.
But yeah.
No,
no,
this is personal part of it.
How much was Cherokee part of like your life growing up?
Like the Cherokee culture.
I'm just curious.
Well,
not the Cherokee culture as you say,
not really.
We grew up in Indian country.
So I tell people all the time I was never,
I never knew I was special for being Cherokee until I came to Washington, D.C.
Because where I'm from,
everybody's Indian or wants to be Indian, right?
So it's just part of it.
It's just part of life.
you're always around it.
You know, it's interesting because I live in a town called Westville.
Westville is the first town west of Cherokee territory or Indian territory.
So it's literally, my ranch in my house is one mile inside Oklahoma because that's where
my family stopped walking on, they call it the first walk.
So there's a trail of tears.
There's two walks.
One is the force walk.
The first walk was actually called the volunteer walk.
It's historical fact.
people get mad at me. No one would walk voluntarily. But that's what they refer to. And my family
stopped walking where we still live today. So it's always around us. But it was never like we
never grew up, you know, as far as Cherokee heritage, it was just way we lived every day.
Yeah. I'm fascinated by it. Okay. I got to let you go. You got to go do the job as a senator.
Thank you so much for your time. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
Thanks, Will. Thanks for having me on. All right, take care. All right. Coming up,
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a poll up of robots in the home, apparently. Two of a day's, you told me you're getting quite the
reaction. What is it? Everybody's afraid of the robots. It's going to be Will Smith. It's going to be
I-Robot. Yeah, same. Present company included. So we did a poll. Should we allow AI robots in
our homes? 61% say no. 39% say yes. So there's a little skepticism towards the robots.
But people are saying we should trust them.
that poll here's the problem it's just it doesn't matter it doesn't matter we have proven as a
species that we will air on the side of convenience yeah period we will give away our privacy to the
internet companies we'll bellyache about it i joke about this i used to tell the sect this all the time
we're sheep we're just sheep that bleat okay we all do this we all will go along you're going to give
your privacy you know you're going to do
whatever. You're going to use the internet. You're going to order stuff from Amazon. And look,
if you don't, and you're in the comments section right now, you're like, not me, Will, okay, good.
You're, you know, you're a proto Ted Kaczynski. But the vast majority of people are going to do it,
and you're going to get a robot. And I'm just going to tell you, the thing that shocked me,
and the reason this got my attention, okay, is two numbers. And I don't know if these are legit,
but we've heard them and they're bouncing around out there now from quote-unquote experts.
Five to ten years is one number, okay?
That's going to be the rate at which we're going to start seeing it adopted in America.
Like full in our house?
Like, well, when combined with this stat,
combined with this number,
20 to 40 grand.
Okay, that is way cheaper, way faster than I ever thought possible.
It's like the future is always far away until it's not.
I would have thought 500 grand.
yeah i mean i would have thought six figures for sure of some kind um but you know if you're looking
to take let's say the number's 30 grand i'm just think about that okay maybe you cut your own lawn
maybe you do your own landscaping right and even if you don't and you hired it out you're spending
less you're spending less than that okay but i'm spending that one time one time not annually right
I'm sure there's up keeping maintenance and all that.
Yeah. But you're spending that one time, and that robot doesn't just do your landscaping, right?
He didn't just do that because what we've seen now with the power of AI is there's no such thing as even a software anymore.
Like, it's not like I got to buy special software for my robot.
He just has to be AI accessible and capable, and he can learn anything, right?
What does it say about me that I'm using a male pronoun for the robot?
well because it's your friend
you can learn
how dare you gender
this robot
that's not what the senator
was suggesting
well he was a special friend
the senator was suggesting
companionship with the robots
well you never know
which by the way
is not
is not a conversation
that you should
gloss pass or just make a joke of
like for real
anything
like we know what pornography
we know pornography's
impact on the internet
okay so again
let's be real
all right
now these robots
might not be humanoid and all that kind of stuff for a long time i don't know i don't know but i'm just
telling you if for 30 grandie does my lawn my landscaping cleans the house you're starting about now you're
racking up household bills right now you're racking up a stuff you're spending money on and it's not
hard to start going this is actually cheaper than what you're doing okay then you say well does he
fix my car do i not have to go into the garage and you say well well you got to have all the parts
well how often you go into the garage and the mechanics like i got to order the parts so that's
going to be another week right so you know this dude can learn anything via a i and i don't know
how long till he is the capability meaning the literal manual and and physical dexterity to do it
all but it's getting there fast and i'm just telling you we're going to have these things
here how about this does anybody doubt we're going to have them in our lifetime no forget the five to
10 years. Do you think in your life, raise your hand, all three of you, do you think, well,
I'll raise my hand too, so four votes. Will there be a robot in our house in our lifetime that we
use for some purpose? Yeah. Yeah, four for four. We all believe that to be the case. And if that's
true, in the end, all I care about is this conversation. I actually don't care about the conversation
of what the chores are. I care about the revolutionary impact on us as a species, meaning what
do we do without meaning or purpose or work? Because we're going to have a lot of free time
on our hands. And a certain standard of living that's afforded to us. Back to the, a lot of people
yesterday, so yesterday I had this guy on, and we'll just do this before we get to quick takes.
I had this guy on to speak about robotics, okay? And he talked to me about it yesterday on the
Wilcane show. You have to adapt to that. And we have to get ready.
to make that transformation sooner rather than later.
We don't want to be blindsided by the tsunami of robotics disrupting human labor.
If we get caught unprepared for this, it could be a major problem for society and, frankly, for the entire world.
I'm going to need you to laugh in a second, Adam, because your answers are too perfect and your cadence is almost robotic.
I'm starting to get nervous here.
All right.
There we go.
I'm not a robot.
I promise.
But you did it on command, so I'm suspicious.
That was weird.
Dude, your face, you just go...
Dude sounded like a robot, right?
And then when I said, I'm going to need you to laugh.
It was a robot laugh.
Like his face broke into a laugh.
And then at the end, I said...
Yes.
And then at the end, I said, I only have 20 seconds left,
so see if you can do this in 20 seconds.
And I think he nailed it exactly in 20 seconds.
He could have been a robot.
Not positive.
I think I might have interviewed a robot yesterday.
I just think this is going to be so revolutionary.
People hear that word.
I wonder what people hear when they hear the word revolutionary.
Do they automatically assign positive values to that or negative?
Positive.
I think positive generally.
Always.
Yeah.
I'm not assigning any moral or predictive, you know, outcome to this.
I'm just saying it's going to be truly revolutionary.
Yeah, I mean.
I just, what do you tell you, what job do you tell your kids to pursue?
How about that?
By the way, the poverty point was Senator Markway Mullen.
So after that interview, a lot of people on social media said to me, and in my text, like,
how are we going to pay for the robots if we don't have jobs?
Like, how do we?
And I think that's an interesting question, but I just think the poverty thing is, so today
in America, the poorest among us have one of these, right?
They don't have flip phones.
They don't have, they have an iPhone, everybody.
poorest people have iPhones.
So are the poorest people going to have robots?
And so there's a level of poverty and standard of living.
No tinfoil?
Eventually.
They have cars, don't they?
They have Android's.
The phone.
The phone.
Oh, well, okay.
Good one.
I saw someone asking for change with an iPhone.
There'll be a T-Moo robot.
Yeah, yeah, there will be.
That's 99-99 for an entire robot that'll clean your house.
I just have one problem with it
If a robot is strong enough to push a lawnmower
It's strong enough to kill me in my sleep
And I do not want that in my house
That's my...
I told you yesterday
I heard the robot's going to scan your house at night
While you're asleep
And categorize and inventory everything
So that when you lose some
Where's my phone? Where's my watch?
The robot's like, it's right over here, Mr. Will.
Don't want that.
It's going to call you Mr. Will
just like Mr. Will.
Just like, well, who?
Who calls me Mr. Will?
Nobody.
But think of, how about that?
You can make your robot
converse with you any way you want.
He could call you anything you want.
How much speciesism
and racism and sexism?
It's going to be woke with robots.
It's all going to be revealed
when you go over to somebody's house.
You go over somebody's house
and you're like, oh, there's your robot.
And then they tell you the next.
name of the robot and you're like wow really does this robot only come in white geez
consuela like from family guy no i know but then there's going to be like people who are you know
supporting robot you know rights and things like that it's going to get really woke real fast
i'm just saying you think yeah i think there'll be empathy i mean i know you're right there's empathy
with you know they're going to seem sentient so there's going to be empathy with robots just like i
robot in all those movies, like
the Matrix or
all those things, you start feeling sorry
for them. It's kind of like, you know, it's not an
living animal, but it's a little similar.
It's already in video games and stuff.
Like, it's sci-fi elements.
Then the Turing test? How are we going to know?
You're undoubtedly right
because most of the time,
I do believe this. Not all the time.
How about this? Public displays of empathy
instead of true empathy. Public displays
of empathy are generally about,
the person projecting the empathy not the one receiving it so it's a virtue signal so i mean part of me
is like well empathy has got to be rooted in humanity like you only have feelings for things with
with life and these things don't have life but because it's a virtue signal there will be some
public groups are like pro robot in some way you know i don't know what that means to be pro robot
but um i saw did you guys see Elon's tweet he said it's becoming he did it today i feel like this
morning.
No.
What did he say?
He said, it's becoming increasingly clear that what I said a few years ago is true,
that humanity is simply a biological bootstrap into artificial intelligence.
Like, we're just the precursor to this, like, huge intelligence leap that's all digital.
As I mentioned several years ago, it increasingly appears that humanity is a biological
bootloader for a digital superintelligence.
Oh, crikey.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, great.
By the way, okay, let's say that Elon's true real quick.
Yeah.
But what he said is true.
He probably is.
Okay, for a moment.
Let's say he's right.
What you're over under on years until that's clearly obvious.
We are subservient to digital intelligence and we are on our way out.
By the way, back to having sex with that robot, that's an extinction level event.
That's an extinction level threat.
Like chaparone talking about not having kids.
You just need a sex robot.
What you're over under?
10 years.
So we're basically,
what he's talking about
is the matrix.
He's talking about the matrix.
So what's our over under
until we're in the matrix?
Like full,
like downfall of society
or just where we start
noticing that it's happening?
I think it's already here.
Well, it's just a reality.
I don't know about downfall,
but it's a reality.
Like,
we are,
we are not
the apex predator,
the master of our domain
on this planet.
We are,
we're, I don't know,
we're camels.
Everything's,
moving really fast so I would say we're a beast of burden 10 years we're a beast of burden for the
digital overlord people are to use it for like day-to-day decisions and day-to-day help and you do like
crap I don't know um I know a lot of what should I say what should I say on a first date what should I say
on a first date yeah honestly James you do you do I don't I don't mind it I like that you're using it
I think it's added value it's happening by the way James what's your go-to AI GBT but
I've tried all three, it's GPT, by far and away.
You tried all three, meaning what?
Like I messed around with all three.
But there's more than three.
That's what I'm trying to figure out what are your three?
Perplexity, GROC and chat GPT.
Yep.
My go-to is perplexity right now.
I want to work in more grok, but I saw an article this morning on Zero Hedge about what they all collect in terms of data on you.
and uh perplexity was one of the better ones on on and grok was the best on collecting the least
uh data location purchases uh the worst far and away collecting the most information on you
jimini google's someone collecting a ton someone in the chat just goes james is compromised
let him go i okay here's here's something we could do not today but that would be fun for the chat
and I think our listeners, there is this prompt that's been going around and it basically uses all of your interactions and it's really well written and it just basically goes, let's engage in a serious roleplay.
You are a CIA investigator with full access to all of my chat GPT interactions, custom instructions and behavioral patterns.
Your mission is to compile an in-depth intelligence report about me as if I were a person of interest and then it goes on for a full paragraph using like CIA terminology to make the prompt good.
I've done it, and it's terrifyingly accurate.
That's scary.
Of who you are?
And a little humbling, too.
It's going to tell us when we're going to die based on our habits eventually.
Like, it's going to pinpoint a month and a year of when we'll die based on how we live our lives.
I bet you.
Oh, I want to do that prompt.
I'm doing that right out.
I'm actually interested in that prompt.
Can you point my day to.
While you play with that, James, let's let tinfoil pat take us away on a...
Fun round of quick takes. Don Tinfoil.
Thrilling. It's thrilling, Will.
Not for GOP in Wisconsin, though, as the Supreme Court election was won by Susan Crawford over Brad Schmachmel.
I should have practiced that.
Anyway.
Great start.
So the race was a big deal because Elon Musk was really pushing it.
And it looks like the GOP came out short.
but they did get the enshrinement of a voter ID law into the state constitution,
which he claims is the most important thing.
Is this bad for the GOP?
It's a warning sign.
Yes.
It's a canary in a coal mine.
Yes.
And I don't know what about.
I do think it's Wisconsin.
I do think it's a purple state.
I do think that the GOP candidate for this Supreme Court seat was the underdog.
I think there's a lot of things that you could use to analyze and dismiss it, but I think
when you combine short-term impact of these tariffs, what we're going to see here today, and what
it does to the economy, potentially, what appears to be a declining amount of public support
for Elon Musk, that's just a diagnosis, right? That is not me saying it's right or wrong. I think
it's wrong. I think Elon Musk is
illustrating the
power of the great man theory of history
and he is devoting, I think,
selflessly to
the greater good of America. However,
I also think
he's just not as popular as Donald Trump.
So with him pushing so much of this forward,
I think it's a warning sign.
He took that race on as ownership.
His thing.
Do you guys see Tesla sales?
Missed the lowest mark
by Wall Street
by more than 5%.
So in other words, Wall Street expectations for Tesla sales
in this, I believe it was for the quarter.
I don't know if it's the quarter of the month.
Wall Street sets low, mid, and high expectations.
It came in below the low expectations.
So Tesla's taken a hit, obviously,
and that's about Elon and his public popularity.
And there's an article out in Politico today
saying that Elon will soon be sort of exiting
his prominent role within the administration.
He only signed up for 130 days, so I'm not sure how big of a thing that is internally.
But I do think that it's a canary in the coal mine.
Patrick, I do think that it's not a good sign for the GOP.
I agree, Will.
And we have another story, Ely Mistle, who was on the view.
He's well known at MSNBC.
He was on the view the other day and said that all laws before 1965,
should be ruled Nolan void. Here's a clip. We're going to play from the view.
Every law passed before the 1965 Voting Rights Act should be presumptively unconstitutional, right?
Because before the 1965 Voting Rights Act, we were functionally an apartheid country. Not everybody
who lived here could vote here. So why should I give about some law that some old white man
passed in the 1920s like the Immigration and Nationality Act?
All right. So, well, I ask you. Patrick.
Who passed the laws in 1965 that he's so fond of?
Yeah, old white men.
You did this dude dirty.
So first of all, his name is Ellie Mistle, I believe.
Not Eli Mistal?
I looked it up online.
After the first floor.
Eli Mistle. A. I failed you.
And the second way you did him dirty is he's not just a dude that appears often on MSNBC.
See, I believe he's a law professor, and I believe he's a law professor at a prestigious university.
You might want to look that up.
And I think it's an important detail, not for his sensitivities, but so that you know the types of voices being employed and platformed by big-time law schools.
It's not that I disagree with him.
It's that he's dumb.
And so that's what you remember about some of these law schools.
Harvard, you graduated Harvard Law.
Yeah.
I think he teaches.
Does he not teach at a law school, too?
I'm looking that up now.
What could he teach?
I also don't trust it after the pronunciation thing now.
Speaking of dumb, boy, there's a whole ecosystem of clip farm people that think I am the dumbest man on television right now.
They clip my debates with lefties, and the lefties all love it.
Like, here is 45 seconds of Will getting dunked on by a Democrat.
You're doing it right, though.
And by the way, what's that?
You're doing it right.
If they're doing that, you're doing something right.
I told Patrick, they seem to be confused about what I'm all about.
I am not all about slapping somebody around that disagrees with me.
I'm going to debate them hard, and I'm pretty confident that eight out of ten times,
I'm going to be on the right side of history and the debate.
But if they think that I'm only trying to dunk and get viral 45-second clips of my own,
they can live in that ecosystem, man, because that's not what this is.
is, I may take some punches. I may lose, but it's going to be real. Like, that's the,
that's the thing that I'm all about. It's going to be real. And maybe here and there, I actually
think that Congressman Ivy yesterday is smart. He's smart and he had some good points and he landed
some punches on me and good for him. I think I don't agree with him in the end anyway. He didn't
persuade me over necessarily, but good for him. And that's the way it should go. And I'm not
into the dunk economy, okay? So I leave that to the rest of the thousands of you in this
business. You have distinguished yourself. You're a unique character in the multi-thousand
universe of dunk economy. Um, Ellie Mistle, I presume he's not into, not a professor from
what I can tell. He's a justice correspondent at the nation and an author of a book called
bad law so okay well i i don't see anything else slandered harvard or some unnamed law school
that might have employed him he was just educated at harvard um i presume then he's opposed to the
1964 civil rights act is it predated the 65 voting rights act so that's going to be a bummer
there goes the civil rights act uh i presume he's not into the women's suffrage movement
bummer he's not into the 65 voting rights act not into the health movement um
now most of the reconstruction laws the 14th amendment got to go for that matter the constitution
the united states got to go declaration of independence bill of rights got to go happened before 65
so by the way i'll bet you he believes all that i'm not even being silly bet he believes all that
law should only be a product of our given period of time living constitution so forth you know
rewrite the constitution with every new generation i bet he believes that stuff to be true
like re-write it to start from scratch
I don't know
these guys can't write
these guys can't write a budget bill
on an annual basis
but they're going to rewrite the Constitution
they don't want by the way they don't want a Constitution
what he would also argue for
they don't they don't want a Constitution
they would vote for a constitutionalist society
so which is odd
because the Constitution at its very core is a protection
of minorities that's what it is
minority viewpoints that we're not a pure
democracy it's not majority rules or certain
things that a majority can't do to a minority. But they would want that. That's why they talk so
much about democracy. They're not into republics. They're not into constitutional republics. They suggest
they're into pure democracy. But they're only into pure democracy when they can control
propaganda arms to control people's minds and control the voting outcomes. That's when they're in a
democracy. So otherwise, in the end, they're really into government by elite cabal that reflects
your interests, which generally is just if you're in the elite cabal. Hey, we did that. That was the Soviet
Union. What do you got, Patrick?
That's right. We got one more
story. We talked to the internet. Couldn't find
the mute button there. A Georgia father
was arrested, you know, see me framing here?
Georgia father was arrested for leaving his young
children at McDonald's when he attended a job interview.
The internet is, you know, talking about it. It's all a buzz.
A lot of people are actually coming to his defense.
including a former NFL player Antonio Brown
and, you know, supporting him with financially.
So, and then other people have said, like,
dude is literally doing the best he could with what he has.
I commend him for that.
It's not easy.
What do you say about the situation,
leaving your one, six- and 10-year-old at McDonald's for a job interview?
That's right, Patrick.
That's right.
Oh, man.
um i by the way the framing the georgia father that's a call back to my maryland father framing
uh monologue yesterday i see what you're doing there um i'm pro the georgia father
he left him into mcdonalds the 10 year olds in charge of the one year old that's a stretch
maybe a little bit i'm not sure i'd put my 10 year old in charge of my one year old uh i don't know
how long we're talking about as well he went to a job interview right so he is doing his best
I think kids have been left with other kids for a long time.
A long, long time.
I think the only real debate is not without he left him alone, but 10 and 1.
Does a 10-year-old reliably cover the basis of a 1-year-old?
Yeah, that's tough.
It also depends if McDonald's had a ball pit and a playground.
That's a big difference.
It did have a play area, Dan.
And also, I do think having a 1-year-old myself,
there's a big difference between
is it a new one or
almost two-year-old? Because like there's a lot
of growth in that one-year-old.
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
Yeah, 100%.
But it's more about the 10-year-old.
Can the 10-year-old be trusted?
Do you have a 10-year-old too, Patrick?
I have a 9- and 11-year-old.
I think he has an age every age up until, what, 12?
Would you leave your 1-year-old with your 11-year-old,
Patrick?
He watches her if my wife's leaving and I'm still here.
So, you know, he's responsible enough.
In the house?
Yeah, yeah.
Around the house.
Keep an eye on it.
Exactly.
I was 10 years older than my youngest sibling.
There's a 10-year gap between I'm the oldest, he's the youngest.
I looked after him from time to time.
I just don't remember when it started.
But in the end, I'm with this guy.
go get your job. Hopefully you weren't gone for more than 45 minutes at this job interview.
How long did this job interview have to be anyway?
Like 20, 30 minutes, I believe.
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be a member of the Wisha. Did you guys grow up? You guys are all younger than me. You guys are not
at all 80s kids, I think. I think you guys are born in the 80s. In the 80s.
Born in the 80s. 80s pop culture would not hit you. No. But 90s pop culture would hit you.
And Val Kilmer's heyday is probably from about 85 to 97. That's kind of his sweet spot of the
big parts of his career. We lost Val Kilmer, age 65.
He's been battling throat cancer for quite a number of years.
And there was a documentary about him that kind of showed a lot about his life and him going through this.
His character, Iceman and Top Gun Maverick also had the same issues with his voice.
They had to own that to bring him back.
But we lost Val Kilmer.
At one time, absolute bona fide movie star.
I mean, absolute bona fide.
and I will say
I don't think he was ever
we've all had this conversation
like if they're in it I watch it
Denzel I'm in
if there's a Denzel movie I'm watching
I'm doing a Brad Pitt movie
if you know I'm
I don't know who else we talked about this
there's a lot actually
I'm in on Leo
if Leo's in a movie I'm
trusting it's a good movie
has obviously nothing to do with their politics
it's almost like at some point
I like the characters you play, and you make good choices.
Val Kilmer didn't reach that level, but he was not far, not far from it.
He made too many bad choices.
There was some stinkers in there for him to get to that top level.
And he wasn't a great Batman, and that heard him.
I heard on the radio this morning that Joel Schumacher, who directed Batman, said there's two things he'll never do in his life,
which one is climb Mount Everest, and the second is ever direct again, Val Kilmer.
So you might have been hard to work with.
But was Val Kilmer at all on y'all's radar at your age range, all of your millennials?
Yeah.
James of the Gen Z, maybe.
Through the 90s, absolutely.
I mean, tons and tons of movies.
He wasn't one of those guys that was well-known enough for us.
Like you said, I would watch whatever he would do, like Robert Downey Jr.
You know, or Rob Lowe.
You know, in the 80s you would watch anything those guys were in, but not really on my radar in terms of that.
Do you feel like you've seen a lot of Valcomer movies?
Patrick, have you seen a lot of his movies?
More recently, I'm like, I probably didn't watch Heat, you know, back in the 90s because I was, you know, a 10-year-old.
But, you know, I went back and watched it and I enjoyed it, and I saw Tombstone recently and thought he was great in that.
So it's more, you know, recent that I'm appreciating him.
James, have you ever heard of Val Kilmer?
Up until today, I thought Val Kilmer was the short-haired girl with glasses in Scooby-Doo.
He thought those Velma from Scooby-Doo when he read it.
He's not joking.
That's a serious thing.
I don't think he is joking.
I know he's not.
And I'm not even mad at him because I think it is generational.
But my boys don't know who Val Kilmer is.
And James is closer to my son's age.
That's interesting.
So I get it.
All right.
So we'll see.
I'm going to give you my top five Val Kilmer movies.
We'll see how many of these.
All of you have seen, by the way.
Patrick feels fairly confident that he can guess the number one movie on my list.
And I think it's probably not hard because I literally have one of the lines in my ex-bio.
So he probably could get number one.
The question is, could he get number two or three?
Go ahead, two days.
No, I learned that just now.
That's what that is in your bio.
I had no idea what that was from
Until you said that
Absolutely not
I was just wondering that like two days ago
All right
Well
I feel like you can't bury that
So the line is I'm your huckleberry
There is some debate
Whether or not it's I'm your huckleberry
Or I'm your hucklebearer
Out there
It's a line from Doc Holliday
When he has a fight with Johnny Ringo
In Tombstone
It's the final showdown
With Johnny Ringo
and he thinks Johnny Ringo
thinks he's going to have a duel
with Wyatt Art, but it's not Wyatt Earp
and he says, I'm your Huckleberry.
I believe that's when it happened.
Yeah, I think that's when it happened.
Hope I'm not getting that scene wrong.
His character in Tombstone
is awesome, and any dude
my generation absolutely
loves that movie, but particularly
loves Val Kilmer's Doc Holiday.
He's awesome.
And I'm not going to believe. That is my
number one Val Kilmer movie.
Patrick, you went back and watched Tombstone.
Did you think it held up?
Did you like Tombstone?
Oh, definitely.
It was very good movie.
Should I go watch it?
I've never seen it.
Yes. You should watch it.
It is dated.
It is 90s.
And it is dated.
I've rewatched it recently.
Even the color content and the film,
the cinematography,
meaning the clarity of the picture does feel.
Now when I go back and watch 90s sometimes,
you're like, it's a little muddy.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's not as sharp as what we're used to seeing today.
But I think content-wise, I think it holds content-wise.
All right, here are, without further ado, my favorite Val Kilmer movies.
No, you guys will not see some of these.
Those that did not make the list, The Doors, Wonderland,
wherein he plays John Holmes, the porn star,
and top secret, which is his first big coming up.
What are you laughing at?
Well, what are you shaking your head at two days?
Do you not know who John Holmes is?
No.
Are you kidding me?
You don't know who John Holmes is?
He's the most famous porn actor of all time.
No.
Like now or like back in the day?
Back in the day.
I've never heard that before.
I mean, literally Mark Wahlberg, did you ever see Boogie Nights?
I did.
Well, that was loosely based on John Holmes.
I'm pretty sure.
Oh, I thought that was fiction.
I had no idea.
That's funny.
I didn't watch a lot of early porn.
Later in life, John Holmeson.
John Holmes
John Holmes was involved
in the Wonderland murders
in Los Angeles
and that's what that movie's about
that's a whole fascinating thing
if you to look into
yeah
I can't believe you don't know
who John Holmes is
man I'm getting old
okay
this is only gonna make me older
at number five
it's one of the Val Kilmer's first movies
I remember I was a kid when I watched it
I thought he was so cool in this movie
it's real genius
he goes to college
he's a genius
but he's like
he's like a bad boy
he does a lot of tricks and pranks with his genius
it's I haven't actually watched it in probably
25 years but I loved it when I was a kid
anybody see real genius
parts of it
a long time ago
like when I was on TV or something
at number four
top gun
and it probably should be higher but I have personal
feelings for the other Val Kilmer movies
stud right
Stud.
Look at him.
Look at those cheekbones, man.
It's like he's ready to do the seal swim.
Hey, better looking than Tom Cruise.
Let's be real, right?
Absolutely.
That character?
Yes.
Wow.
How old is he in that?
Stud as Iceman.
I don't know.
Look it up.
That's probably.
I'm going to go.
That's your air robots.
26.
I'm going to say 26 in that movie.
At number three.
I love this.
I had it on VHS.
I watched it.
Over and over and over.
It's just funny to say I had VHS.
Reportedly he took this movie instead of doing Batman, too, coming back and doing it again.
Whatever, doing Batman a second time.
The Saint.
Love that movie.
Huh?
Love that movie.
You saw the same?
I was one of my favorite movies growing up.
I was obsessed with it.
He's got like the shifty personality in it.
So good.
He dresses up and all these different characters.
He's a master of disguise.
So cool.
It's great.
Yes. I totally agree with that one.
I need to rewatch the saint and see if it holds up.
And then finally, at number two, heat,
which was a big deal for Val Kilmer,
apparently to take this movie with Michael Mann
because he was already a big-time movie star at this point,
but he was taking a supporting role.
His agent told him not to take it
because it was a De Niro-Puccino vehicle.
He decides to take it.
His only request is that he's on the movie poster.
And Michael Mann's like, yeah,
put you on the movie poster.
There is no way, Patrick,
if you saw this fairly recently,
apparently, gone back,
this has to hold up.
Like, heat for any dude my age is an
absolute banger. It's a
cultural, iconic movie.
Surely you loved heat.
Oh, yeah. It's great. It's fantastic.
I've never seen it.
Getaway scene? I'm all in
on all these action movies now. I mean, it's
fantastic. We need to go back and watch
90s. Dan, you never saw heat? I never did.
It's always been like, I've known a
about it, but I've never seen it.
Oh, I've got to bet it holds up.
I mean, it's been a while, but I've got to bet
you've got to watch, you go back
and you're like, oh, this doesn't feel
old, this feels like a good
movie. I mean,
it's, yeah, Kilmer and
Pacino and De Niro.
Cop movie? You got Ashley Judd.
What? Is it a cop movie?
Bank robber and cop movie.
Got it. Yeah.
And then famously
after it came out, I'm going to say it came out in 93.
In 94, you had the famous, I'm using, I'm guesstimating on these dates, you had the famous bank robbery in LA that ended up in real life looking like heat.
Do you guys at all remember this news story?
You were little kids.
But these dudes who I think it turned out to be from like, I don't know, Eastern Block Europe, they got booted up in full on, you know, bulletproof stuff, including helmet.
and had automatic rifles, and I mean it, automatic, not semi-automatic,
and took on the cops.
They robbed this bank, the cops got called, and it was a shootout in the streets of L.A.
that looked like heat, and it's all on TV, because there was a television crew cameras overhead,
and they were tracking these guys, and they were going behind cars, cars to cars, behind houses,
just full-on shoot them out with the cops, which is the climactic scene in heat.
I'm in.
Yeah, I highly recommend you go back and watch Heat.
And the number one, of course, is Tombstone.
Go ahead, Two A Days.
Two things about Val Kilmer.
One movie you're missing is Kiss Kiss, Kiss, Bang, is my favorite movie.
Top Ten movie of all time with Robert Downey Jr.
Have you ever seen that one?
See, now I don't think I've seen it.
It's amazing.
I don't think I ever got around to seeing that.
It's one of the best movies, top ten for me, of all movies.
And then...
And not just a Val Kilmer vehicle.
All movies, Top Ten.
Okay.
All movies top ten.
And then we just have to appreciate Val Kilmer's Jim Morrison.
Look at, I mean, he just looks like him for the audience.
This is a side-by-side comparison that's listening.
It's Jim Morrison in the Doors movie.
He looks just like him.
Absolutely.
It's crazy.
Perfectly cast.
Yes.
Perfectly cast.
Perfectly cast.
Yes.
Didn't he just walk?
Patrick, didn't you say he just walked in and he got the role?
Yeah, he walked in like Jim Morrison into the,
It's the casting, and they just gave it to them right there.
Crazy.
I mean, I don't know how you couldn't.
Right.
The only reason that didn't make it is I'm just not a big Doors fan.
I never was.
The whole thing, the vibe, the music.
I don't dislike the music, but I've never been in a situation in my life where I'm like,
you know what would be perfect right now?
The doors.
You know what I mean?
It's because you don't do hard drugs.
I think that's what it is.
I think that's what it is.
Like, it's not on a road trip
Somebody's like put on the doors
You're like, yeah, that fits
It's not sitting around with your buddies
In the backyard and going
Hey, play the doors
No, it doesn't fit
I think that the situation
You have to find yourself in is
We're all going to do a bunch of drugs
And then the doors fit perfectly
Yeah, poolside with Hunter S. Thompson
And it's perfect
Hunter Biden
I'm surprised
Given your love of fantasy
That you didn't choose
His role in Willow
Oh yeah
I did see that when I was a kid
But that didn't stick
I'm not, yeah, I know you're being facetious with my love of fantasy.
Um, uh, yeah, not a big fan of fantasy.
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm not saying. You get what I'm saying. You get what I'm saying.
Not a big fan of fantasy. All right. That's going to do it for us today. Rest in peace, Val Kilmer.
We'll see you same time, same place again here tomorrow on the Will Kane show.
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