Will Cain Country - Sherrone Moore Meltdown: Michigan Head Coach Fired And ARRESTED In Scandal!

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

On this Friday sports edition of ‘Will Cain Country,’ Will and The Crew react to the firing, and subsequent arrest of Michigan’s head football coach, Sherrone Moore, after it was discovered he had an affair with one of his staffers. They take a closer look at the insane circumstances surrounding the arrest, before discussing old man Philip Rivers reentering the NFL as a grandfather at the ripe old age of 44. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A massive scandal breaks out in college football. Sharon Moore fired from the Michigan Wolverines. And a grandfather takes over the Indianapolis cult in a wide open race to the Super Bowl. It is Wilcane Country, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time. At the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, but always available by following us on Spotify or on Apple. That's where you get this Friday edition of Cain on Sports.

From New York City with tinfoil patent, two days, Dan, it is a flannel Friday. Yeah. Sponsored, as always, by Buffalo Jack. Our favorite flannel company. Here we are today, boys, rocking our flannels and in an embarrassing turn of events. It turns out,

Tim Foil, Pat and I are wearing the exact same shirt. Yeah. Yes, yes, we are. I almost had the same issue yesterday with Dan with the red and black. You guys look great. I mean, it's a great shirt. It's a great choice.

I'm not surprised you both wore it. You said that you notified everybody that you were wearing blue. I didn't not get that notification. I'm not sure. would have seen it, even if that I got it. But here we are. The exact same blue check, which, by the way, I like. I told you, Dan, the one you were wearing previously is one of my favorites. This might be one of my favorite. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It matches your eyes. Sweet.

Okay, boys, let's get into it because while the world seems to be captivated by scandal. scandal and crime from Luigi Mangione to Tyler Robinson the world of sports has not been immune and in a shocking turn of events on Wednesday night the Michigan Wolverines fire head coach

Sharon Moore now two days ten foot I want you guys to walk me through because it is somewhat confusing it's a it's a wild series of events this isn't a normal coach firing

This is an event that happened on the, not even on the heels, not even in the back end, but amidst a exploding scandal. So, tell me if I've got this right. So it's discovered that Sharon Moore is having an affair with a staffer. Yes. This is the allegations right now in the report. Who he impregnated. Yes. Okay.

They find this out, and he's fired within like an hour, right? two hours, something like that when it comes out. Got it right so far? Yeah, the school may have known but a little longer. Okay, do we know what the staffer did? And how old she is? I'll have to find that out. Okay, take a look at that.

And then tell me, this is where it gets wilder. So after he's fired, tinfoil, he does what? He goes to his wife's house? well we just find all we do was we found out that he is arrested and god bless you and and uh and you go well having an affair and getting fired for cause doesn't get you arrested so like what happened and uh allegedly um some people are saying that he yeah he went to his wife and threatened to kill himself okay but that's not the end of the story exactly from what i read right yes so he goes this is exposed, he's fired.

The exact sequence of events and the timing of it, because it happens all in a very short period of time, right? Yes. Is, we're still figuring this out. So he gets fired, he goes home. And he threatens to kill himself to his wife. Yes. And by the way,

this is reporting, or is this in police documents at this point? I believe so. Because they picked him up, he's been arrested. And that's what was in all the statements. What's in all the stories? Okay, but again, to your point, tinfoil, you don't get arrested for having an affair, you don't get arrested for getting fired, you don't get arrested for threatening to kill yourself. Right.

You don't get arrested for any of those things. Right. So then, do I have this right, by the way? Because I did read it, and my retention right now is compromised. But he then goes to the girlfriend's house? Yes. So what I read, allegedly he went to the girlfriend's house and was threatening physical violence because he was just crashing out, as the kids would say. to make a light of this, but

he was just going through it, and he was just caught red-handed, and he was just losing it. Threatening to kill her? And himself. So now he goes from his house, threatening to kill himself, to the girlfriend's house, threatening to kill both of them. Yeah. Did he have a weapon? A knife, I believe. That's what I thought

it was, a knife. A knife. And the reporting was he held the knife to her throat. That's it. And apparently he was picked up by people from the church, because his wife called the church, because I don't think she wanted the police involved at first is what I read. So which is pretty crazy part of the story.

Just an incredible, sad, scandalous, incredible turn of events. On the level that, you know, we've had other, let's stick to the world of sports. We could even stick to college football. We've had other crashouts. We've had other scandals. We've had other affairs. We've had other programs implode on the, on the backs of coaches

lose it, but I don't know that we've ever had anything this. I keep coming back to that word incredible because by the literal definition of it it means it seems not credible. It's like mind-blowing.

Look, the most famous one that jumps out, the most famous two in my mind that jump out are in the SEC. It is Bobby Petrino at Arkansas, right? That picture after the accident. Remind me the motorcycle accident So was the motorcycle accident a cover-up for the ferry?

He legit had that motorist. He had the motorcycle accident, yeah. And she was on the back while riding with her, yeah. Oh, my God. That's how they found out. And he has the neck brace on, his face is all scratched up. He's at the podium. Very bad.

You're like, I don't know. And he's fired. By the, he's an interesting test case. And he's back. He was back. Where is Petrino right now? Wasn't he? He was in Arkansas.

Last year. He bounced around like, was it at Louisville for a bit? Yeah. And now he's back. What's the statute of limitations of those stories? 10 years? He was also... He was interim coached at Arkansas this year, right?

He was interim at Arkansas, but he was on... He was with Jimbo Fisher as OC for his last season, and he was at Louisville. But nothing Petrino did was criminal. Right. This was an affair, embarrassing. Morality clauses with the school. Yeah. In the case of Petrino, was it a staffer?

Um, yeah. Yeah, she was a staffer. By the way, I found out what, uh, what this, the Michigan staffer did. I'm never going to run afoul of the morality clauses, but I'm just curious, like, is having an affair get you fired or is the necessity in this equation that it is a staffer? At a school. What? College.

Yeah, their state employees. That's what I think is different for me. But having a fair, does that invoke your morality clause? I think, I think it can if, if you have one. Yeah. Especially with someone, it's a co-worker, I think, is what the... That seems key. That's what the deal is.

If you have an affair with your neighbor's wife or something, I don't think it makes a difference. But if it's a staff for you, yeah. But it could, I mean, if it potentially tarnishes the image of the school or something like that, I think they could try to make the argument. Tarnishing the image. It's a safety issue. The other one, I think, and you guys may be some that are bigger, but the other one, I think, is Hugh Freeze. Yes.

At the time, Ole Miss. and by the way he came back I mean, ended up the head coach at Auburn and Liberty he's just fired this year from Auburn but Hugh Freezes was prostitution or escorts. That's illegal

and yeah was there was school funds involved in that or was just they found him on using school phone I believe and yeah school I believe school funds I think it was connected to recruiting as

well. He was recruiting escorts to play for Ole Miss. No, no, to help with recruiting. That's insane. Really? Come on. I think so. And he got a second chance? At Liberty.

If you're going to go somewhere for second chances. Redemption. It's the real J.C. Speaking of recruiting, this Michigan staffer who he had the fair with started as an on-campus recruiting and football operations coordinator and then was promoted to executive

assistant to the head coach in February of 2024. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Now there are others. Shortly after Sharon assumed that position. I don't remember the details on this at all. Patrick, you did some research. Mel Tucker at Michigan State was bad, right? Yeah. What happened with Mel Tucker?

Yeah, there's something about the water in Michigan. So Mel Tucker had an affair, I believe, and was fired for cause. I believe it was the staffer. Was it just an affair? Um, I thought there was more with Mel Tucker. Um, oh, there was a, sorry, hold on. There was violated sexual misconduct policy. Oh, he had an affair with the lady that they brought in to do sexual violence training. Yes. They brought her into the school to do sexual violence

training for everybody, and he had to fare with her. Yes. Now, now that one, sexual assault prevention speaker you do wonder like how much of this plays a role but like they had just signed him to a very large contract and he sucked after a year or two and uh you wonder if he was winning would they have fired him you know well let's let's let's put that test to the scenario and every case is different but because by the way i think you could probably make a similar argument for Sharon Moore? Shroomer's details in and of themselves would get anybody fired. It could be, it could be Kirby Smart. If this story was about Kirby Smart, he'd be done. No matter how good you are. But I don't think they're in love with Shromor.

The results on the field. They're okay with it, but they're not in love with it. We'll be right back on Will Kane Country. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort and understanding of the greatest story ever told listen and follow now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts um so so maybe they are i don't know how michigan dance feel about they don't like him so this one is always on the list if you do the list of college football coaching scandals and i'm going to be up front with the audience on this like every single detail of these cases don't come back to me in the moment and some of these

You know, there's so many machinations and turns in these stories that it becomes like keeping up with, honestly, like the war in Afghanistan over a 20 year period. It's hard to keep up with every single turn in the case. But still, that being said, I do think that there is, without all the details to explain it, I think one of the guys, I'm curious how Dan will feel about this. I think one of the guys that probably got hosed the most in this, both in second chances and redemptions, and to your point of you don't normally get canned if you're doing great, depending on the severity of it, is Art Bryles at Baylor. Yes. I think Art Bryles at Baylor became public enemy number one, so much so that, for example,

on the Lebertard show on ESPN, they would play a drop when his name came up, rotten hell or something like that, rest in hell, something like that. as though Art Browles is the worst man to ever grace college football. And, you know, I did keep up with that case in the beginning enough to know that it began to take on the feeling of a witch hunt. It became to be a virtue signaling story. And that doesn't mean Arborales didn't do anything wrong. But I promise you, I've been in this business long enough that I know when a story becomes

something that in order to show your own virtue as a reporter or a commentator, you have to You don't have to, but you're pushed in a direction of taking a certain position. And that position, by the way, is the popular one. So you're not doing anything to put yourself out there. You're just, you're joining the rest of it without critical thought. How about that, without any critical thought. And that was during Me Too as well, those 2016, those, you know, very heavily. And I can just say, I know that happened without Art Browis.

That's not, it's one of those deals where you're like, well, what do you say? Are you saying that Art Bryles is innocent or he was a great guy? Because that's always going to be the response. No. What I'm saying is on a scale from zero to 100, everybody took the Art Browel story to 100. And at 100 was the only place you could be. And if you at all said,

well, I want to understand the details a little more on this case. Like, did he know about all of the stuff that was going on at Baylor? What did he do? The allegation is not that Art Briles did anything wrong, but that he wasn't coming down on the players. and he was, I think they suggest he was trying to hide it from the administration, which I don't think the evidence is like overwhelmingly true that he did know everything that was going on.

You can fact check me on that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But it's pretty wild of all the things that all these coaches have done that Bryles is the guy that basically doesn't get a second chance. And if he's hired, there is a renewed witch hunt to go, you're the worst program in history. How dare you hire Art Bryles? Yeah, I agree. I mean, at some point, some people saw it as more of like a systemic thing instead of just an individual thing.

You know, so it's like it's a product of the entire school and system that Art Browles was allowed to, you know, cover this instead of just making a personal decision. But how about this? There are a lot of programs that have had what you would call systemic issues, okay? And we could go through them. Ohio State? Florida. A lot of people say Georgia right now, to be honest. Not, I mean, just meaning because of the number of players who keep getting DUIs.

Lots of arrests. It's become a joke. How many players at Georgia? It's mainly the drinking and trafficking thing, right? Yeah. Just get a car. What are you doing? Yeah, there's, I mean, it's like, it's like a running joke where it's like, yeah, Georgia players, you know, and that's like GTA clips and stuff like that.

Yeah. And look, I'm not, I'm not putting all these things on moral equally playing field. I'm not suggesting that Kirby Smart is doing. doing any of that. All I'm saying is I'm talking about Art Bryles. And that became one that was not worthy of any form of forget redemption, even critical thought. I agree. You know, I can just hear. I can, I know the commentators that if they heard that, I can hear what they would do and I hear what they would say. But I'll tell you, even rebuttals that I would submit to like, oh, that's not good. Yeah, Braille's that. I'm still right on the overarching thing.

I'm right on this became something more than the facts of the story and has hovered over him for eternity, basically eternity. But those are the big ones. I mean, there's going to be more. It's college football. Were you at ESPN that covering any of these big ones? Did you do? I was at ESPN.

Art Briles was more in the outside the lines genre. It didn't become like a first tape shopping a lot. Was it a big enough name? Well, it's not just not big enough name. It's like, well, what's the other side of it? You know? And, and quite honestly, talking about some of that stuff is a huge downer. Like, and I was involved in more fun shows.

Yeah. But anyway, here we are. And this story was Sharon Moore. I mean, this guy will get no second chance, obviously. No, no, no. I think his mental health is going to be a real problem. I think he's going to be on a watch for a while based on what we're here. What's interesting about that is you know these people from a distance, obviously with the

career that I've had for the length of time to have, I've started to get to know some of these people as individuals, but there are still, for me, like you guys or anybody else watching, people who I only know from a distance. One of those would be Sharon Moore. And from a distance, you don't see any of this. You don't see that potentiality. You don't see that fragility, that edge of crashing out. I mean, that doesn't happen overnight.

You know, that happens like a culmination. A volcano doesn't explode out of the blue. It's... When you're backed into a corner and you have no way... Bubbling. Yeah. Yeah. So just incredible, incredible story out of Michigan.

We'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Then we turn to the NFL. Philip Rivers is back. This is absolutely incredible. I love Philip Rivers. Do y'all like Philip Rivers? Love Phil. I went to, I was in the same churches in months.

Wow. Really? Yeah. So, yeah, we went to, uh, he was in Jacksonville playing the Jaguars and he was sitting in the front row and the Monsignor was giving his homily. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah. He's in Jacksonville. Yeah.

He has a game that day? Yep. And he goes to church Sunday morning? Yep. Wow. That's got to be kind of rare. Yeah. Guys on, I wonder if it was a one o'clock kickoff.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, usually. I mean, we don't, we didn't have a lot. Yeah, you guys don't get a lot of three o'clock kickoffs. Four o'clock Eastern. Yeah. Wow. But the Monsignor was sitting there, and he was literally giving this homily about how great an example of somebody like Philip Rivers is.

Was this early church? It was like nine or ten, yeah. Okay. And he didn't even realize that Philip Rivers was there until after the Mass. It was really weird, but yeah. Well, Philip's like you. Yeah. Legitimately.

Philip does have 12 kids, right? Something like that. I want to say 9 or 10. Yeah. And his grandfather, apparently. I don't think I've ever interviewed Philip Rivers. It's 10. I know I've 10 kids.

I know I've never met him. By the way, the story is that the Indianapolis Colts have signed Philip Rivers to the practice squad. Has he been elevated since I read that to the active? It doesn't say on the depth chart on the SPN right now. Okay, so he's not going to necessarily start this weekend, but you don't sign Philip Rivers not to start before this season is over. Sooner rather than later. Like, there's no point, right? How old is Rivers, Dan?

I'm going to get, 41, 42, 44? Yes. 44. 44. Incredible. And I love the videos of how fiery he is. Like, if you don't like Philip Rivers, I'm going to go, okay, I get it. You know, like, I've seen the videos.

The clip where he's yelling at his ear. Oh, he's yelling that dude's ear. He's yelling at the rest. And, like, I get it, you know. But I don't know. I really like the guy. And he is not the first, but he is a grandfather. Yes.

In the NFL. That's crazy. Of those 10 kids, somebody is old enough. Not shocking. At 44. Like, Philip could have had his first kid. I'm going to go 20, 21. He's got some grown kids.

Yeah. So he's got another 20-year-old something kid who could have had a kid. Because I have a 16-year-old at 38. Yeah, that's wild. And so, you know, in six years, she could be... By the way, Patrick, everybody on the television show, the Wilcane television show, you're going to love this compliment. You're going to love this. First of all, they love you.

I'm like... Well, they're great. I don't understand. No, they're all like last... The other night when we went to the Christmas party. I was like, where's Patrick? Where's Patrick? Like, to escort you to the party.

Oh. Yeah. They're all worried about you. Yeah. Yeah, you're like they want to take you under their wing. I'm very broken. But they said that you look younger than your age. Oh, that's very nice.

Yeah, they were like, how old is he? No. And somebody even said 20s. I was like, Patrick Hatton? You know? Not 20s. That guy? Tinfoil Pat?

We're talking about the same, Patrick? Yeah, man, young. They think you look younger than your age. How did we get on that? You were talking about your kids. Phil Rivers having kids young. Yeah, yeah. Potentially being a grandfather.

I could potentially be a grandfather. Oh, you're going to be a grandfather at a young age, you said, yeah. I don't know that, but I don't... Six years. The problem is, I don't think there are a lot of prospects out there. For your kids? Yeah. What does that mean?

All these boys are very, I don't know. They're not very masculine. Oh, because your oldest are girls? Yeah, my oldest are daughters. So they're a little turned off. by the market, I think. I mean, I don't think you're 100% wrong. Maybe just in Jacksonville.

Yeah, I would hope Jacksonville would offer a greater market, you know, opportunity. A lot of rednecks. There you go. What's wrong with that? I don't know. I don't really like the poor. Is that a derogatory term? Gosh, what are we doing?

Is that derogatory term, redneck? No. Really? No. No, we embrace it. Okay. No. I'm joking, by the way. I don't want to, I don't want people thinking I'm a classist.

Well, I'm a man of the people. It's a little too late. He's not a classist. He's a populist, so that's why I know it's a joke. He's ready for the masses to stand up with their pitchforks. That's right. I know that to be true. Philip Rivers is not the first grandfather in the NFL.

You have a list of other guys who have played. as a grandfather. That's right. And so the only NFL player, I believe, that has been a grandfather, is Brett Favre that is confirmed. Speaking of allegations. That's another story, by the way, that I'm not completely versed on. I know some of it, yeah. I covered that.

But in baseball, Stan Musil and Julio Franco, Julio Franco played, I believe, until 47. Texas Ranger great. Yeah. Baseball's different, though. Yeah, I think you could have more grandfathers. There was a whole list of people who potentially could be grandfathers because baseball's crazy.

But then another one was Gordy Howe. He played until his 50s. That is incredible. And hockey. That is incredible. Hard to do. And he was still playing at a high level, too. Maybe I'm too ignorant on hockey, because it does happen.

Like, guys play a little bit like with baseball, where you see some of these pitchers that go into their 40s. much anymore. Well, the Russian dude that's one of the greatest of all time. Alex Havichkin. Yeah. How old is he now? I think he's like my age. He's... No, he's 40s, I think. He's older.

Oh, wow, he's 40. Yeah, 40. I think it's... He looks great. Not totally uncommon to see NHL players in their 40s, which is pretty shocking because of all the sports, I would think that one, just the whole physical stamina aspect of it, it's exhausting. Yeah, it's crazy.

But I think you get away with it. What's an average shift in hockey? It's like 40 seconds, right? Yeah, 40, yeah. A long shift is about 1.10. That's crazy. Yeah. But you can imagine thighs burning.

All out. All out. I used to play hockey, yeah. In Jacksonville, Florida? Yeah. My job was to be an enforcer. I was an enforcer. I was staying in front of the net and just block the goaltender's vision.

Oh, offensively. You would get down low. I get down low Get a little Some of those Chipping shots Right you know Right down there

Those chipping shots by the way If you had that hand-eye coordination I'm impressed Because I'm always shocked How those guys can see those things Coming in so fast and redirect Yeah It'll be forever to get my first goal though

But Eventually you get the hang of it But I just love gunning For the biggest guy on the other side I ever played hockey Because the Ice Times When you're young Didn't want to do it

Oh yeah Oh because there's so few ranks It's like 4 a.m. 5 a.m. Yeah, right. So few races. For everybody to get their ice time, you're practicing it crazy hours. Yeah. It's insane.

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I think he has a lot of overlap. He knows the offense. It's not going to be starting from scratch. So we could see Philip Rivers on the field. The question is what that means for the Colts. And by the way, the Colts are one of these teams for me that is a complete darling this year. Like, I will root for the Colts. Their turnaround.

And by the way, I'm rooting for Daniel Jones. He's great. I'm sad for what's happened for Danny Dimes, blew out his Achilles, done for the season. Leading the Colts to this turnaround after being just totally destroyed reputationalally. in New York it's a wonderful feel-good story would he be comeback player of the year I think he's got to be in that

but the thing about Philip Rivers stepping in with the Colts is I think they're 8 and 5 right now and they're falling off a little bit a little bit man but here's the question right now let's just stick with the AFC who would you ride to the Super Bowl

where would you place your bet right now the Patriots are far and away, record-wise, the best team, right? The Jags are up there. They're getting hot. They're getting real hot. The Broncos have a great record. But if you think about this, I think the Broncos, I think all of those are good teams.

Oh, the Texans, too. And the Texans are hot. Very great defense. Patriots aren't a good team. Okay, so the Texans, I was listening to some guys on radio to talk about this. We've become accustomed to the Texans losing on the first Saturday of Wildcar weekend. It's just like the Texan story, right? They lose in that 1 o'clock window game on Saturday of Wild Card Weekend.

But functionally, the Texans are almost indistinguishable from the Broncos, who will be the one or two seed in the playoffs. The Patriots will probably be the one seed, but the Broncos are in the running. Meaning, they both have great defenses. They both have a quarterback that is good, but makes you think, can I really trust Bo Nix to take me on a deep playoff run? And so would you rather have C.J. Stroud or Bo Nix right now? Bo Nix.

Whoa, really? Hands down. C.J. Stroud's been looking a little rough. He had a great season last year, but he's kind of falling off a little bit. He's making bad decisions. He doesn't look. His arm doesn't look as good. It's tough.

I don't know. I'd rather have Bo Nix with Sean Peyton. I think that's the thing. I'd rather have Sean Peyton as a quarterback guru. If you look at fantasy, far above her way. He doesn't look at fantasy. I'm out. I'm in three leagues.

including ours, obviously. I missed the playoffs in all three. By the way, I was the guy who just got bumped out in all of them. I wasn't bought them. In our league, it was six teams that made the playoffs. I came in seventh. It's like that in every single league. One of them had the same record as the team that made the playoffs,

but I had fewer points. That reminds me, I need to text smug real quick. Okay, but the point is, the point stands. Okay, we should take a moment and go, how about the chiefs? the Chiefs aren't going to be in the playoffs. Like, what are the odds right now the Chiefs making the playoffs? I think it's fairly low.

Very low. Which is incredible. But if you take the Texans, who could be like the seven seed in the playoffs, and the Broncos, who could be the two seed in the playoffs, I think no matter what you think, Dan, on the quarterback,

that's not a big spread. That game, it would be in Denver, obviously. It's not a big spread. It's a tight game. And you can go pretty deep saying, I don't know. There's no dominant team at all. Now, I'm sure to the extent that we have people listening to us in New England, they'd be freaking out.

But New England, Denver, Jacksonville, help me up. Pittsburgh. The Chargers. The Chargers. Who are down a bunch of offensive linemen. The bills are in the, and that's the, let's come back to the bills in a minute. And you look at that and is, by the way, I'm a believer in Drake May. I think this Drake May story is awesome.

I'm a believer in Mike Vrable. I think Vrable is a great coach. I don't know that I'm ready to say, wow, we've got a new dominant team in the AFC with the Patriots. I still think Josh Allen is right there with Patrick Mahomes as the two best quarterbacks, at least in the AFC, maybe in the NFL. And so I would be worried about any team that gets the bills in the playoffs. But the rest of that bills team, you're like, there's no way you can put your money on the bills.

The Patriots schedule is weak. You think the Patriots are frauds. Absolutely. I do. I mean, look who they've beaten. They just beat the Giants. Terrible team. They just beat the Bengals, Sons, Joe Burrow. They beat the Jets. They beat the Bucks who are pretty good.

They beat the Falcons, Browns, Titans. Those are their last games. So, I mean, Drake May is good. They're a decent team, but they're not beating great teams out there for the season. they beat the Panthers. It's wide open, is the point. It's wide open in the AFC.

You go over to the NFC, and this could be wishful thinking for me, but I do feel like the Eagles might be imploding. Now, the Cowboys can make the playoffs. They have by winning the division, but they're going to have to run the table. Four games left, they have to win them all. If they win them all, I believe, I don't, yeah, the Eagles would have to lose one more game, I think.

Yeah, yeah. And the Eagles have Washington twice, the Giants, and somebody else is pretty tough. Oh, the Bills. I think they have the Bills. I think that's right. This Eagles thing with the way they played last week, and specifically the way that Jalen Hertz played, that's the problem I'm getting at with the Eagles, because this has all been bubbling all season where A.J. Brown and other players have been going at J.

on Hertz, and then he turns the ball over five times, two times on one play. How does that possible? He throws an interception, the guy that intercepts it, fumbles the ball, Hertz gets it back, then Hertz fumbles the ball. Now, I heard this is the only time this has ever happened in NFL history, and I fail to believe that. There's had to happen another time, right? I mean, the probability of the quarterback throwing interception and then being the guy

that recovers a fumble can be high. Yeah, that's crazy. It's just crazy. So I think there's a chance the wheels come off, this Eagles thing. And even if the wheels don't come off, I don't think they're not trustworthy. There's only one team winning the NFC. The Rams? That's right.

Yeah. So I was backing my way into this. I do think the Rams. And I think the Rams might be one of the most underrated, consistently good teams, at least in the last 20 to 30 years. I don't think about the Rams a lot. I'm not intimidated by the Rams. Matt Stafford and Sean McVeigh deserve way more credit

He's going to get MVP I've always thought Stafford was great I think I've been one of the guys that's argued that Stafford is a Hall of Famer I don't think one Super Bowl victory gets you in there but Stafford was really good in Detroit for all this year think about this so

Puka was on pace to I think get almost 2,000 yards this season it would put him number one all time the three big best seasons for a wide receiver Calvin Johnson it would be Puka

and then Cooper Cup and who were their quarterbacks Matt Stafford every one of them yeah yes that's insane dude feeds his guys well think about what Puka Nakuas stats would be

because I had Puka in fantasy if Devante Adams weren't there because he started loving Del Monte Adams he was feeding Devonte Adams he does that by the the way. Yeah. And it's pretty wild that he does that because you would think a defense would adjust and he'd

get in trouble. Like, he's forcing the ball into his guy, but he doesn't. No. You should draft Matt Stafford's number one receiver, number one in fantasy. Yes. You will be rewarded. Yes. You're right.

Cup. That was very smart. I picked up Stafford by like just as a thing like at the last minute. He's been my best player, so by far. So I do think that I do think the Rams. I think it's a little. little bit like the AFC's Buffalo Bill situation. Like, I think that the Lions are better than where they sit in the

playoff standings. I think everybody should be a little bit in fear of the Lions if you meet them in the playoffs. I think the Lions are you scared of the Bears? Packers are better than the Lions? Okay. All right. Are you scared of the Bears?

Not at all. I'm not. Not at all. I don't trust Caleb Bullies. Yeah. Yeah. We. We with the Packers.

Yeah. He was out there. We with the Packers. and the Yankees and the Lakers. Notre Dame and the Lakers. I don't like the Lakers. I'm just joking.

I'm a Knicks fan. That was establishment, James. The Lakers fan. Yeah, so, I mean, the NFC is slightly more predictable. I mean, when I say predictable, you would put your money on the Rams. But I think this is wild. We talked a lot in a long time about, you know,

parity and dominant teams. I don't see a, I don't, with the decline. of the Chiefs, I don't see another dynasty on the horizon right now in the NFL. I think they sneak up on you often, but... I thought if anybody was going to do it, it was going to be the Eagles,

because they just have so much talent, and they're able to always identify such... Saquine was a little quiet this year. Yeah, yeah, but I think Hertz is just really not helping that situation. I do think the Cowboys, I don't think Cowboys are Super Bowl level. I think they make the playoffs. They could be a problem for some people. Sure.

Great offense. You could be disruptors. Yeah. Yeah, well, that Quinn and Williams trade has turned out to be amazing. Yeah. He's great. Yeah. And it's a lesson about getting those kinds of guys off of bad teams.

Like, playing defensive tackle is such a grind to do that on a team that constantly stinks. Maybe you shouldn't be evaluated in that situation, you know? Put him on a team where he has some actual support and help and a chance to win. And all of a sudden you see one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL. All right. So it's wide open. and your grandpa, Philip Rivers, is there to ride in and save the Colts. Okay, this has been of a fun week in New York City this week.

I'm ready to go home and rest. I am ready to go home and rest. I'm not ready. You love it, Pat? I don't want to go back on the plane. You should drive back down. All right, good stuff. Thank for hanging out with this week in New York City.

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