Will Cain Country - SHOCKING REVELATIONS From Democrat insider! Inside The Failed Harris Campaign

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Story #1: It was the Fyre Festival of politics. Harris 2024 National Finance Committee Member, Lindy Li joins The Will Cain Show to share some of the shocking details of money wasted by the campaign, how they lied about it, and how a major name donor is threatening to leave the Democratic Party. Story #2: President-elect Donald Trump's cabinet is starting to shape up. Will gives his thoughts on where the next administration is headed. Story #3: Who were the winners & losers of the 2024 election, from MSNBC to podcasts in the 2024 election? A conversation with OutKick columnist, Bobby Burack. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Have you guys seen the conspiracy? I don't know a few boys in New York. I don't know if two days, tinfoil Pat or young establishment James have seen the conspiracy. I'm almost certain. Even by the smirk on his face and the reputation that precedes him, he's already heard it, Tinfoil Pat, right? You know the conspiracy now around AOC, Pat? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I was the one who was booking it in chat. Yeah, you're out there dropping comments on the internet. You're out there helping spread the rumors. I will say, looking at that video. I will say behind that video. So the conspiracy is that AOC is pregnant. Now, I don't know if AOC is pregnant, but something's different. She looks a little different, does.

aOC but you should drop perhaps you the willisha drop into her comment section on instagram she's asking for suggestions and i give her a little bit of credit let's let's see if we can figure out exactly how we can get a better worldview a better well-rounded view of what's happening in america so might i suggest that you suggest the will cane show to aOC today's a good day for her to tune in because she might learn something about her own party what's going on with Democrats. Today we hope to give you some behind the scenes information on what happened, but also what's happening today with the Democratic Party. This past weekend on Fox and Friends weekend, I had Lindy Lee. She is a former finance committee member for the DNC, helped raise

money for Kamala Harris. And she told me this in what ended up going viral, really, all across X and everywhere. A moment that went viral, she told me this about the campaign for Kamala. This is just an epic disaster. This is a $1 billion disaster. Actually, it was $1 billion, $18 million, I think, right? There were $20 million or $20 million or $18 million in debt. It's incredible. And I raise millions of that. I have friends that I have to be accountable to and to explain what happened because I told them it was a margin of error race. I was promised, General Malley Dillon promised all of us that Harris would win. She even put videos out saying that Harris would win. I believed her. My donors believed her. And so they wrote massive checks. I just, I feel like a lot of us were

misled. So that's what was told to us this past weekend. Fraud. Kamala Harris campaign, the fire festival. Let's get into it with story number one. Lindy Lee was a part of the Harris 2024 National Finance Committee. She had several leadership positions within the campaign for Kamala Harris. In fact, Lindsay, Lindy, good morning to you. Nice to see you again today. Can we start with you kind of sharing with my audience? What roles did you have within the DNC or within the campaign for Kamala?

Well, I'm absolutely shocked, but I actually still have those roles. I don't know how I'm getting the emails. I'm getting the updates. So I am still, it is now the DNC National Finance Committee. So they had a fundraising agreement between the DNC and the Harris campaign that allowed them to bypass a $3,300 contribution. So one person can give like $929,600 bucks. But now since the campaign is over, it is now just the DNC National Finance Committee, which I'm still very much on for. I mean, wow. So I also serve as women's chair and the Atlantic Regional Chair and Senior Advisor, et cetera. So it's been a crazy time. Every day there seems to be another revelation

and I can't believe, Will, that our interview went just like insanely wild across the world. So to help anyone out who isn't plugged into politics on a day-to-day basis and titles don't necessarily paint the full picture, what did you do for Kamala Harris? So in order to qualify for the National Finance Committee, you needed to have raised millions of dollars.

And I did that. Not only in terms of big donors, but also grassroots donors, I helped to organize something called geeks and nerds for Harris. We had like Mark Hamill and like Ron Perlman and Linda Carter, Wonder Woman, involved, to raise money. You raised like half a million dollars for that. So I didn't just work with ultra wealthy people, but like regular everyday Americans.

And that's why I feel a grave sense of responsibility. You know, I don't want to see their money going towards like $100,000 for a call her daddy set. And I just, again, this is very hard for me to say because these are my friends. And Kamala Harris has always been good to me. This is hard for me to say. But I also understand that if we don't have a full financial accounting of what happened, not only financial accounting, but a political explanation of what happened, we're going to keep losing. And if we don't recognize that America's shifting right word, go ahead.

Sorry, Will. Let's pick up on your, no, it's okay. Let's pick up on your bona fides for just a moment because I want to get some new information you have to share with us today, but let's go ahead and steal man your perspective. What I mean by that is let's take on the critics for a moment. Like you just said that this isn't easy for you, that you're talking about your friends. Judge Janine Piro on the five. said that she thought you you were an idiot for believing any polls that were coming out

within the campaign to convince you there was a real chance or a margin of error election for Kamala Harris. So what do you say, A, to Judge Piro, but B, what do you say to those are like, why is she saying all of this about her former friends on Fox? All right. So number one, I think a nuance has been lost. My point is they were telling us, they were going to win when they knew they were going to lose. So that's the key point. So at what point did they know they were inevitably going to lose and they still asked us for millions of dollars?

That is my question, because that's what I mean by being misled. What sort of internal polling do they have access to? And actually, Jackie Heinrich brings up a really good point. The Doug Emhoff, who is kissing Kamala Harris on Monday night on the forehead, was kissing a woman who knew she was about to lose, not the next president of the United States. I thought that was a really interesting insight. So when do they know?

Basically, the age-old question, who knew and when do they know it? That's my point. This is not me being snookered by what Jenna O'Malley-Dillan said. What I mean is they told us, they gave us a narrative that they themselves may not have believed. That's my point. Okay. I want to pick up on that in just a moment.

Oh, sorry. But yes, let's go to number two, which is why, for anyone, watching, either those who would support you or those who formerly supported you. Why are you telling this to me? Why are you on Fox? Well, Will, I had, you just made me feel really safe. I'm, I had a good experience with you on Saturday. You made me feel safe. And, um, people were angry at me for going with Fox. But honestly, I don't have a really good explanation other than you guys have been always, you always have been good to me. I've been going on your network since 2020. I used to, I actually got into a fight with AOC in 2020 and with Bernie bros and you guys were a haven then

and I'm a moderate Democrat there is overlap. I have no other answer than that and I don't want to name any names but there are certain networks that are kind of a cocoon and they kind of value the troops and circle the wagons and if you don't go with your narrative they're just not going to air that particular opinion. For example, if you don't say that it's because all, It's because America's racist, misogynistic that Harris won. They're just not going to amplify that. And again, I'm not going to name any networks, but that is the dominant explanation there. And I just don't think it's correct.

I will, although the only difficulty would be narrowing it down. I mean, the easy culprit is MSNBC, but at this point, you could find that same willing or warm cocoon at big NBC at ABC at CBS at CNN. You could find that probably anywhere. I do respect that you're coming here to talk to me about this on Fox. And I would like to believe that many can see this is a place. Sorry to interject. Fox is America.

I mean, you guys have everybody in terms of viewership. I just saw that MSNBC's ratings plunged again right after Election Day. In order to get the message out, people should just go to Fox. I mean, it's a no-brainer. It's not even a question. Well, and then, I mean, On top of that, I don't take it as just a gratuitous compliment that we certainly do have opposing points of view that are welcome on Fox and most notably right here on the Will Cain Show.

All right, but now let's go back to your motivations for a moment. So it sounds to me, and I don't want to feed you the answer to my own question, but I am listening to what you've already said, that you feel some sort of moral obligation to the people you raised money from, that you feel like was betrayed by those behind the campaign that knew they were going to lose, and yet we're still sending you out there to make promises and raise millions? For example, somebody who gave a master check is like my second father. This is somebody who's been with me for, you know, more than a decade. I, you know, I ran for Congress and I was 24. No one believed in me. He did. Okay. So I do not want to spend his, this is his hard earned money.

He was an immigrant as well. So, you know, he's just one example of. a donor i'm trying to protect but it's not even just a moral responsibility i i've i've always been like i don't care what people say i'm just going to do things my way what's right it's just it's i walked into this situation i didn't plan this at all i've been i don't know if you've seen any of my posts over the past years i've always adhered to the party line this is the first time i broke and i think i've just like this is enough this is just ridiculous it's a billion dollars and and and this were the result, I wouldn't be here to say. If this were the Hillary Clinton, like the scale of Hillary's lost, it was tens of thousands

across several states, like Pennsylvania issue. This is all seven swing states. We lost everywhere. We lost in California, New York. I saw that Jake Tucker had that moment about how she did poorly in every county. He's like, every county? I don't know if you saw that. Literally every county, she did worse.

It's just inconceivable to be. inconceivable to me how epically we failed. And I need to do better. We need to do better. We need a post-mortem. Okay. And I think that's what we're doing here. I think that does feel a little bit like your mission here as a post-mortem on how you

spend a billion dollars. And you brought this up. Spend a billion dollars, by the way, and lose historically. You brought this up, Lindy, we'll put it on the screen for our viewers to see. But this is how they spent some of that money that you raised. This is how they spent some of that billion. breaking 911 puts the figures out there everywhere in fact you can look this up because it's all public records Oprah today is denying that she got paid a million dollars but it's right there

in public records you can see a million dollars going to harpo which is her production company 1.8 million for m&m 3 million dollars to lizzo 5 million dollars to meg the stallion what does it make you think about the way they spent a billion dollars if my donors had known that in advance they wouldn't have given. This is just ridiculous. And I'm sorry to say that. Well, every time I say, you know, every time I criticize something,

I can just hear, you know, I can just hear, I can just feel the knives being thrown in my back, you know, because it's like a very insular community. And, but again, at this point in my life, I just, we're not allowed to curse here, right? I just, I don't care. This is just the right thing to do.

But, you know, this reminds me of the PPP program when aware through which Kanye got a few million dollars and I love Tom Brady but come on Tom Brady doesn't need taxpayer money you know this is just can you imagine people giving $25 or $50 and it means so much to them and they see that that money was used to build a fake set or to give it to a billionaire like Oprah and I want to be clear they didn't pay Oprah personally of course they didn't it's through her company so for her to say that a didn't pay her just so disingenuous i'm sorry it just is so you talk about a post-mortem lindy um what is happening right now within the dnc oh my goodness um you know that uh meme of a dumpster fire on

fire dumpster truck on fire it's kind of like that um it's just um it's just complete we don't have a leader at this point we pushed our president aside our current vice president lost drastically um our current dnc chair is stepping down and the person who told us we were going to win iowa i mentioned this during our interview on saturday has been pushed aside so it's just the top we've been essentially, I don't know, it's just decapitated. I don't, I'm sorry if that sounds graphic, but we don't have leadership right now. And they're not going to elevate a 30 something like me, certainly after, you know, the fact that I'd expose them. No, do you think you have a home, by the way, in the future of the D&C? Do you have a home in the future of the Democratic Party?

I discussed this with you before. I had two issues that prevent me from ever leaving right now. I just care very deeply. We talked about this. I'm environmentalist. I really care about clean air and water you know i love our country i want to keep it beautiful and i'm kind of like of the theater roosevelt school thought he really he was he really cared about you know our state parks as well it's just um and also godmile and sandy hook happened to my birthday and it deeply scarred me and yeah so those are the two primary issues but what i mean by that you're and you're telling me what's keeping you on the left side of the aisle and you I, perhaps on a future occasion, could have some debates about separating the idea of

environmentalism from climate science, carbon control, and guns is one of those things. I won't put a lot of hope in finding persuasion. Those are camps that are hard to talk to one another. Please surprise. I get it. People have been in my ear about guns, too. But here's what I'm more curious about. Not so much what's keeping you from walking over the right side of the aisle or keeping

it from becoming a conservative, but like logistically, like as a position, strategically do you think you have a position the way you're talking to me the way you're talking on fox the stories that you're telling will you be ostracized will you be blackballed do you have any future formally with democrats well the amount of clout and money that i bring to the table i mean good luck without it well and you've pointed out you've communicated to me also lindy you're not alone. You're the one, you're just the one saying it out. Wow. I'm not scared because I have hundreds of messages from, well, around the world, but also dozens of donors who are constantly texting me every day telling me to stay the course. And I know who's going to run for president

in 2028. I happen to be friends with them. I'm going to be fine. One of them even appointed me commissioner. So I, and it's the candidate at the top who determines the hierarchy. This is, I think, who's going to run. Who's going to run? okay it's the same people who are there right now are going to be nowhere to be found well hopefully they're leaving right now you know they're all fleeing for the exit so right yeah they're all fleeing for the exits it's being hollowed out and you're telling me they won't be there anyway in 2028 but you might be and you just gave me but you already know who's going to run for president i intend to play a very important role i'm sorry you know ambition looks ugly on a woman right but i'm sorry it's just who i am

I intend to play a very important role in this party for decades to come for the rest of my life. And I know I will. I mean, no one works. I work so hard. But even I want to, I don't want to break news right now and make another headline. But there is some, there is a household name. And if you and I were just talking in person, I'd be able to tell you whisper in your ear. But there is a household name who is withdrawing his donations from the DNC because of the debacle.

I don't, I don't remember if I texted you this. A household name? Yeah. A household name? Yeah, I can't tell me who that might be. I don't want to step all over him. And I don't even know if he wants to draw attention to it. But who?

Anyway, I mean, the point is a lot of big donors, and this is probably the biggest. People are very upset. And donors are going to revolt. And I urge people to maybe look into a group called Democracy Alliance. So a household name, one of the biggest Democratic donors, that exists. is pulling his money from the Democratic Party. Absolutely, yeah. I called yesterday, called somebody else yesterday to confirm.

Yeah, everybody knows his name. We can connect some dots. Again, I can't let... Oh, I think I already told you. I'm sorry, I haven't slept for days. You have told me, but I'm not going to... I'll let you say it on air. I know who you're referring to.

You know how I'm talking about now. Absolutely. But, yeah, I would encourage you to say it on air, but I'm not going to betray your confidence. You can share it with the audience. So the number of articles that have been written about me in the past 24 hours, I just can't, you know, for the sake of my mental health, I think I'm just going to give it a break. But, you know, it's not just him. And there are other, there's another CEO of a very prominent company who's trying to protect himself from potential investment. that the Trump administration might do.

So people are, like, quaking their boots. Right. Well, I think it's fair to say, how about we just put it this way? Maybe the biggest name when it comes to Democratic politics of a political Sion family now pulling their money away

from the Democratic Party. You did say something else, though, that I have to follow up on, okay? And that is, you already know who's going to run for president in 2028 as a Democrat. Who? Oh, no.

No, I always do this. Well, I know someone who's, I mean, I just want, when I ran for Congress, I sent a lot of cold emails and not everyone replied, but one person did. And his name was Josh Shapiro. I was 24. I knew nothing. I showed up in his Montgomery County office. He was commissioner of Montgomery County at the time. Actually, I had my bookshelf.

I saw a copy of mass. of the Senate by Robert Caro on his bookshelf. And I knew instantly that he was my people. I just did. It was like it was like a totem. And we've been friends ever since. And he's an extraordinarily popular governor in my state. He's a moderate, which suits me. I'm a moderate. And so I, you know, if I were a bed in women, I would bet that he's running. And there are other people that I'm friends with who are also running and we'll see um but obviously i'm biased to people for my own home state such as you just dropped another little hint that i always have to follow up on josh shapiro and you said other people you know as well such as who i mean you guys probably know gabin usum um and yeah i mean

that's extent of my i can't imagine i don't have an existing relationship with like gretchen wittmer but I certainly do with Josh. He's been right. We've been allies for a long time. He's just a good guy. Well, to validate one of your choices. Would you say? To validate one of your choices, this is my humble opinion.

To validate one of your choices in speaking to me here or speaking on Fox News that anyone running for president, regardless of what not they have an R or a D beside their name, would be very smart to have a conversation with people on Fox. because as you point out, it does represent America and a huge constituency of Americans. And so whether or not that's Josh Shapiro or Gavin Newsom or a surrogate, under them like a Lindy Lee, speaking to this audience is incredibly important. Now, I want to ask you this one last thing. Please, please go ahead.

I don't ever want to stop you from talking when you're ready to talk. I'm so eager to talk to you. It's not just about your audience. It's about your family and the people who work at Fox. I have never been treated better than when I'm at Fox and I've been on every single major network in the world. No one has treated me as well as you guys. And that just speaks volumes. It's very important for me, for your viewers to know that, just how good you are, like both on screen and off. You guys have just been amazing. Well, that's nice. Thank you. I have one last

question for you, Lindy, here. As you look back on this and you're seeing what's happening now, money fleeing, donors pulling the party apparatus itself and its leadership being hollowed out. In your mind, you know, all of you being led falsely while you're continuing to raise money on false promises, do you look back now on the past, let's call it, two months of the campaign for Kamla, and say, all of this is due to rampant incompetence, idiocy, you know, novice, people who don't know what they're doing, and this is why they were so deluded in thinking they had a chance to win while still raising money? Or do you think it was fraudulent? People like these lists of celebrities and many more like vultures around a dead body making money off of this

thing when they damn well knew it wasn't going to come to fruition. Was it incompetence or was it fraud? Well, my lawyer would tell me to stay away from the second so I don't subject myself to a defamation case. That's my gut instinct. But I will say, I was speaking with a fellow donor. She, yeah, she's very active as well. And we were just talking about how did they tell us to keep fundraising despite knowing that they were going to lose because they knew that for the next four years, they were going to be in the wilderness. And there wouldn't be big checks. So did they use this opportunity to get as many big checks as possible? Do you see what I'm? I mean, because if they knew that Trump was going to win, the torrent, the avalanche of checks

would just stop, you know, because we wouldn't be raising for anything. So did they do everything they can to just, you know, squeeze every bit they could out of this cow? You know, what I'm saying? I don't know. I think ultimately it's a multitude of factors, probably greed, incompetence, and because there's so many cooks in the kitchen. You had Obama people, Biden people, Harris people.

Yeah. And you told me this weekend on Fox and Friends that the relationship between the Biden camp and the Kamala camp could not have been worse. We saw some of that yesterday in the icy get together between Jill Biden and Kamala Harris. And it predated her run for presidency. You told me it goes back to her under him on the debate stage as by president. I remember just when he, Kamala Harris accused Biden of being racist. Jill never forgave that. And did that, I've seen this, bleed down at the lowest levels like the staffers for Biden versus the staffers for Kamala?

Yeah, I was with a Joe Biden the next day in San Francisco. That's why I remember it so vividly. We did a fundraiser for him, a Doug Hickie's house, former ambassador. And I remember people being just shocked that Kamala Harris would do that. And she only enjoyed a temporary bump, too, and obviously. I mean, obviously, she didn't even make it to the first primary. So, Jill Biden, Joe Biden was willing to let it go. It's Jill Biden that held on to that grudge.

And of course, Anita Dunn, who famously holds on to Biden's grudges for him. And you know who led future forward Kamala Harris' Super Pack? Anita Dunn was involved in that. So this whole thing is, oh, my goodness, I'm going to get in so much trouble. Yeah. But it's a same cast of characters. But last thing on this, tell me in the play where the cast of characters from the Obama camp

play into this Kamala Biden drama. If you want to know what Obama is thinking, you just listen to John Fabro and that gang. And they are currently just torching the place down. I think the most interesting thing that John has said, I actually saw John last month at the Kamala fundraiser, the most interesting thing that John has said in the past week is that at the point when Biden dropped out of the race, Trump was on the path to winning 400 electoral college

votes. I totally believe that. And given the fact that Kamala Harris lost a popular vote, that's totally within the realm of possibility. On that final note, do you believe it would have been better with Biden or better with Kamala? That's such a hard question because with all due respect to President Biden, he's no longer as cognitively fit as used to me. I'm trying to be euphemistic. And as you saw with Kamala Harris, it was a bloodbath.

As I said on Fox before, it was a red wedding style defeat. It was just beyond a shalacking. We lost in literally every demographic, I think, except senior citizens. So, yeah, it was a pretty decisive. I appreciate, yeah, pretty decisive. I really appreciate you sharing this with me here on the Will Cain Show on Fox. Lundy, this has been a fascinating conversation. And whether or not you are campaigning for Josh Shapiro

or continuing to tell us the truth about things that are happening within this fallout in the Democratic Party, I hope you'll always turn to us here on the Will Cain Show. Thank you, Linda. Well, you're the best. Thank you for making me feel safe. That's really what it is. So thank you. Happy to.

All right. Lindy Lee. You too. If she goes, Lindy Lee here on the Will Kane show. 2024 National Finance Committee member fundraiser, women's chair of the Democratic Party. A lot to digest.

A lot to think about. In fact, we'll get into a little bit of that. Plus, what do the cabinet picks for Donald Trump reveal about the future for America? Next in the Will. Cane Show. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio.

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here's what you're saying over on YouTube Jessica Karanee 1004 says this lady needs to run from the Democratic Party wake up and buck up that response to the interview we just had with finance committee member from the DNC Lindy Lee Dark Amusement says

$1 billion to elect Trump thanks Dems Rick Stein says she's wearing red now Hmm. Corey Rice said, I'm so proud of her for speaking out. Good job. And then Gary Kilgore says she's on Fox because she knows people are watching. And finally, Chiefs says the chat wants Jersey Jerry as a permanent co-host of the Will Kane Show. We'll do what we can, Chiefs, to make sure we have Jersey Jerry here on a permanent basis. Let's get into what a presidency under Donald Trump will look like. What will it do? What will it be for America? Here are the cabinet picks that we already know. There are several others who are being under consideration. Right now it's being discussed at Mara Lago in Florida. But I think we have it up on the screen and we can talk about

who has already been appointed to Trump's cabinet. That's potential cabinet picks, many of which, I'm sorry, have not, have already been said they will not be a part of it. Mike Pompeo not going to be a part of it. But what we do know is Marco Rubio looks to be um part of secretary of state he looks to be appointed to secretary of state um let me see if i can remember everybody else that's already been appointed so far mike waltz congressman from florida head of the national security agency tom homin appointed as borders are um there are several

others out there that people are wondering what will be their role for treasury secretary and others And I think that allows us to get into foreign policy, to get into health, to get into illegal immigration, and begin to see what a Trump presidency looks like for the Department of Education. Let's start with health, make America healthy again. It was undoubtedly a very popular part of Trump's campaign for the presidency, as was the endorsement of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Will he be a part of the Trump team officially? Well, here's what he's saying he would do if he were in charge of, for example, NIH. Donald Trump has said that he would put you in charge of the public health agencies. What exactly does that look like?

Well, he's been very specific. And what he said, he wants me to do three things. One, clean up the corruption of the agencies, particularly the conflicts of interests that have turned those agencies into captive agencies for the pharmaceutical industry and the other, the food industry, the other industries that they're supposed to be. regulating. Number two, to return those agencies to the gold standard science, the empirically based, evidence-based medicine that they were famous for when I was a kid. And number three, to make America healthy again, to end the chronic disease epidemic. And President Trump has told me that he wants to see measurable concrete results within two years in terms of a measurable diminishment in shock chronic disease among America's kids.

what i find inspiring about that first of all is the message all of those things are not just something that attracted a lot of people even someone the left over don trump that's attractive to someone like me um and i also find inspiring there that trump said to r fk that he wants measurable results within two years i will also say i think this will be one of the hardest things to accomplish on the trump agenda i think the size scope and influence of big food and big pharma is hard for all of us to understand. We know, you and I know, watch a football game, watch the news, how much of your advertising is fed to you by Big Pharma. I can tell you big food is a massive lobby. That doesn't mean it can't be done. It's just going to be very difficult. It has been done in Europe.

Then there's illegal immigration. Tom Homan is going to be the borders are. Christy Knoem, former governor of South Dakota, head of DHS, Department of Homeland Security, under which exist border patrol, FEMA, the Secret Service. Tom Homan is serious. He is a serious individual when it comes to the border. So what can he get done? Well, first of all, I think we can expect immediately the rescission of those executive orders from Joe Biden or the permanent placement of executive orders from Donald Trump to secure our border. Number one, turn off the faucet. You don't mop until you turn off the faucet. When your bathtub is overflowing, the first thing you do is reach for the knob, not the mop.

So turn it off the faucet, secure the border. Then deport the criminals, deport those that we know of, are here, and whether or not they're claiming asylum or not, they are absolute a threat to our national security. I hope this is part of the case. Go after the NGOs. The NGOs that are facilitating, the non-governmental organizations, the charities who are facilitating, literally, I mean that,

they're in the Derry End Gap, they're in Central America, that are helping facilitate the path for people from South America and Central America into the United States. You've got to attack the NGOs. And then finally there is deportations. What will be the extent? Like Make America Healthy again,

it is going to be very difficult. Not to say it is not doable. I did see a stat that the minute self-deportation start, it's actually a huge number. We'll see. How far, to what extent, will they be able to accomplish, quote-unquote, mass deportations. Then there's education. Donald Trump put out a video that I found incredibly

inspiring about what he would do to help reform education. Listen to Donald Trump. The time has come to reclaim our once-grade educational institutions from the radical left, and we will do that. Our secret weapon will be the college accreditation system. It's called accreditation for a reason. The accreditors are supposed to ensure that schools are not ripping off students and taxpayers, but they have failed totally. When I return to the White House, I will fire the radical left accreditors that have allowed our colleges to become dominated by Marxists, maniacs, and lunatics. We will then accept applications for new accreditors who will impose real standards on colleges once again and once and for all.

This, I think, is the key to education. There's some discussion of a ball, the Department of Education. The left sees that as a direct attack on education. The truth is education is dominated by the state, and we don't need a federal Department of Education imposing nationwide standards in order to maximize education, especially when we see that even with the Department of Education, we fall behind the rest of the world. It really becomes just a Trojan horse for forcing ideology, DEI, hate America, Marxist ideology, down the throats of people throughout this country. But this about the accreditation system, every college, even high schools, are worried about

being rated highly. In order to be rated highly, you get that from the accreditation system. In order to do so, you've got to satisfy the requirements of the accreditors. The accreditors put all that stuff. What is your diversity quotient? What are you teaching this way? Are you teaching these approved textbooks? The accreditors are the ones.

Yeah, school administrators, that's important. It is. But they often are just bending at the will of the accreditors because, look, you go to a school, you send your kid to a school, and you look at it, how good is this school? A plus rating, C rating. Where's that coming from? How about this? College placements or job placements. Where's that coming from? Accreditors. And in order to do so, it's not based upon what you and I might believe is a good education, but rather all this crap that has infiltrated it. So Trump's going right to the core here, I believe, with accreditation. And then there's foreign policy. policy. Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, Michael Waltz, NSA. We'll see. We'll see about Secretary of Defense. But some are concerned this represents a Warhawk division of the Republican Party. Glenn Greenwald, Dave Smith, libertarians, former of the left, are worried this is a pivot from the way that Trump talked about. I don't see it as such. Trump believes in peace, but peace through strength. I think he's very rational.

that way you can't withdraw from the world you have to speak softly and carry a big stick he talked famously about it was good to have crazy man john bolton in the room because everybody went in the room with us afraid he's just going to bomb him bomb bomb bomb everybody and then trump got to play good cop bolton's bad cop and make a deal i do think having people of different voices who represent different approaches when the ultimate commander-in-chief is donald trump and i feel very confident that Trump wants peace. And peace through strength, we're already beginning to see in the Middle East with approachments by Vladimir Putin and Zelensky in Ukraine. We're already beginning to see the power of peace through strength. There are more appointments to come. We'll know more,

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Bobby Burrack. What's up, Bobby? Will, happy to be here. Before I start, I want to give props to you and the entire team on a really big week last week. Very impressive numbers. I saw you guys credited and cited all across the internet. So congratulations to you guys. I know it's a very tough environment. There's so many podcasts to be able to stand out in such a competitive environment during election weeks. Cudos to you guys. Well, thank you for that. And I think that's actually a nice compliment that sets us up for a discussion. In your column at Outkick, You talk about winners and losers from this race for the president, beyond Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. And you are saying something that a lot of people quite honestly are saying right now, and that is, whoa, it was the podcast election. You have here at Outkick.com, as one of your winners, young men focused podcasts. Podcasts for young men.

You write, Trump turned the mic over to UFC President Dana White during his victory speech on Wednesday. And then Dana White thanked the Nelke boys, Aidan Ross, Theo Vaughn, busing with the boys, and last but not least, the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan. You think one of the big winners is podcasting. Well, I don't think it's necessarily just podcasts. I think it's podcasting for young men. Kamala Err spent a lot of money doing Call Her Daddy's podcast, and didn't do anything.

She also spoke to Charlemagne the God, really no impact that we saw. It were podcasts that reach young men. And I think it's so important because there is not a demographic in the country that the legacy media, that Hollywood, that the entertainers, and quite frankly, even maybe athletes disregard more than the actual feelings and concerns of young men. So by talking to people like the Nelk boys, busing with the boys, Dio Vom, Trump was able to cut through the noise and talk directly to a demographic that probably wasn't all of that interoperative. interested in politics. But when they finally saw Trump and heard Trump with their own eyes, I think it showed them, hey, maybe what we hear about Trump isn't accurate. The guy we see right now, we actually like him and we think that he cares about us. I'm not saying Trump would have not won the election had he not gone on that podcast bliss, but I think the podcast that he chose

were very strategic and really helped elevate him among young male voters. you know i have a couple of nuanced thoughts on this bobby um so first of all a mutual friend of ours the executive producer of the meg and kelly show steve crackauer tweeted out the legacy media is about to learn how easy it is to launch a podcast and how difficult it is to grow a podcast or digital show which by the way is back to the compliment that you've given us here and which i appreciate we are growing and we're growing exponentially we had a hundred thousand yesterday on YouTube the week after the election from what I understand our numbers right now because we can see it in real time are very good as well um but I think that this game of

podcast versus TV has been a little bit of a false dichotomy and people kind of see it as a winner and a loser and you know uh it's the ascendancy of podcast and decline of TV I have no dog in this fight because I'm playing in both worlds you know I'm on TV and I'm over here in the digital sphere but Trump himself knows that's not the case. I've heard him talk about it. He's like TV at this point he thinks is underrated. He said that. I heard him say, I actually think it's,

he said it on a podcast, by the way. But he said I think TV as a mechanism for communicating is underrated. So my nuanced thought is if somebody ran for president right now, the takeaway is not, hey, we can just lean into podcasts. No, you better do all of it is the point. And then my secondary takeaway is, yeah, but you better have the right candidate because you and I both know call her daddy is actually an incredibly successful podcast yeah that's less of an indictment of the of call her daddy to me

than it is of comala harris meaning trump was the perfect candidate for the perfect medium when it came to podcast and jd vans did very well on rogan but whoever it is if you want to avail yourself of that audience and that platform you also better be somebody who's good in long form one two hour interviews. Yeah, because I think the problem that people have is that they want to say, okay, should I focus on radio, podcasting, or TV? The answer is you probably need to focus on all of them because they all reach different demographics. The issue of television is that most cable news viewers are around 65, but in the case of an election, a lot of people over 65 still vote. So when you go on and do a cable news interview, you're not reaching the same people that you're

reaching when you speak to Theo Vaughn. So I'm with you. You should focus on both. However, I think each election that power struggle is going to tilt more towards podcasting, right? Four years ago, podcasts weren't quite influential enough to shape an election. This time, I think they really contributed. So in four years, that gap is even going to be smaller, the gap between TV and podcasting. But I agree. Your show, for example, is on radio, on YouTube and also Apple and Spotify. Will I venture to guess? Those are three very different audiences. There's very little crossover. And I love that about all the different platforms that this show gets to exist and reach an audience. One more, though, small defensive television. People always talk about the average age

or whatever it may be, we also get numbers in quote unquote in the demo, right? And no one ever talks about the in the demo numbers for television. But like, for example, with Fox, I can speak to Fox more than I can the other networks. You're talking about hundreds of thousands of people in the demo, which is 25 to 54, I believe. And that's TV and this is nothing. I just think both sides, not both sides, it's more like the digital sphere, which I am in and I am it's very important to my career right the digital sphere likes to try to couch its success in the failure of its competitors of old media right and then doing so they don't make fair comparison

so like Joe Rogan or me okay I do let's just do me I do 666 or whatever close to 700,000 last Wednesday on YouTube and then you could add Facebook and foxnews.com but what that is is that's one person who's watching for an undetermined amount of time. Very people know on Twitter, X, YouTube, what that means, where cable news, what you see the numbers is the average viewer in like 15-minute increments. It's just not apples to apples. So if a Fox show does half a million in the demo, truthfully, if that's a YouTube show, you'd probably extrapolate that out four or five times. That's several million, what would be counted as several million online. Yeah, it's exactly right. So one of the big comparisons we see right now is Rogan's interview with Trump is at 75 million views across YouTube in the podcast platforms.

So people will say, well, Brett Baer's interview with Kamala Harris only did 7 to 8 million. But that's average viewer per minute. Moreover, that 75 million from Rogan is spread across the day it launched until now. that Brett Baer interview was only measured within the first 24 hours. So how many people have actually consumed part of that

Brett Bayer Harris interview, I would guess, is above what the Rogan Trump interview reached in mass because we're not counting the clips that are aggregated on shows like the view with the bare interviews. So it's very, very

hard. Not just that. What's that? I like not just that what you're talking about but I just like the audience to understand because everybody talks about this we don't know what a view is most of the time online we don't know on X how long you have to pause for it to count as a view we don't know but we do know on TV you have to be there for a certain amount of time for you to count and then they do an average and then they say how many times in that hour does the audience turn over and each one of those would be multiplied if we were doing apples to apples with what's counted as a view online. So it's $7 million with an audience that turns over four times, perhaps. Now you're looking at $28 million in an hour, saw that, and then give it the 24-hour period that you're talking about as well, and the clips, et cetera. Right.

And one other point I want to make, too, is most platforms on the tech side are not transparent about how they count views. For example, people have tests this. Every time you scroll past a video on X, you get counted as another view. So one person could be counted 20 times on one video, which is not how TV necessarily works. So I think the big picture here is the TV versus podcasting argument is too nuanced because you have too many people with agendas trying to capitalize on. I mean, the big picture is both platforms matter, but there's no one platform like it used to be.

Like, in full transparency, nobody on radio is ever going to be as big as Rush Limbaugh. Nobody on TV's ever going to be as big as Bill O'Reilly. Everybody's now fighting for a much smaller piece of the pie. And that's okay, but it is much different than it was 15 years ago. That's fair. And there's no doubt TV is declining. Sounds like I'm defending TV. Listen, I mean, this, what I'm doing with you now watching audience, this is as important as anything else I'm doing in Michael.

career. So I have a vested interest in this. I'm just trying to be honest with everybody about how everybody plays this game of this team versus that team. But speaking of TV, Bobby, I think this is on your list of losers, traditional media, the influence of television. I think by extension, by the way, would be celebrities. I'd actually count celebrities in Hollywood and this as well. And I'm just going to use this. This is since the election, but I have it up on the studios here. This is MSNBC's ratings since the election. And it's pretty, it's really bad, Bobby. Joy Reid's down 54%. Ari Melbert, this is on MSNBC, down 50%. Chris Hayes down 47%. Alex Wagner down 53%. Morning Joe down 40%. Stephanie Rule down 67%. Andrea Mitchell down 40%. Now, listen, when your team loses,

a depressed audience doesn't tune in. And that audience may come back. But that's a crater right there. That's bad news. Yeah, I think it's bigger than just that. The machine, and I'm writing a long form piece on this right now, through everything at Donald Trump,

they exhausted every resource to try to defeat them. And the fact that they couldn't, I think their supporters are just so demoralized because it's like, hey, if we spread all these lies, we arrested him, we indicted him, we raided him, we raided his home, we censored his supporters, we formed a coup to get Joe Biden out and installed Conla Harris. If all of that failed, what motivation do we have to try this again? Because this election was an indictment on us, the machine, the American left. So I do think this is a bigger deal than just the average

post-election loss for the winning team. But a bigger point of this, too, when you speak about MSNBC is that I don't know well I think the way they told their viewers that Donald Trump was Hitler that he was a fascist that Kamala Harris was going to win I do wonder at some point if they own viewers think hey maybe these people are lying to us maybe these people are deceiving us because when you spend four months saying that Donald Trump is going to end America it will be the last election and then you see Harris come out and concede that she lost. If I were a loyal MSNBC viewer, I'd be like, wait a minute, were you guys lying to me? Were you gaslighting me? And I think that realization is starting to sink in. That's the big question. Is this ratings crater depression

or is it a loss of credibility to your point? And like if the feeling on the left is I can't trust them anymore. That's bad info. They're not going to shop at that store. If you go to that store and you're always buying bad food that it's rotted by the time you get home, you're not going to go to that store anymore. And I think they do have to be thinking about that on the left. Here's some other losers you have in your column that's up and outkick. You have Hollywood, and we've talked about that today and like the decline in the power of the celebrity endorsement and the manipulation of stardom. And neocons. Do you still believe neocons have lost? I mean, there are some already pointing out, well, you know, this is a pretty hawkish

foreign policy team that Donald Trump's putting into place. Yeah. When I say the neocons lost, I'm referring more towards their ability to retake the party. If Donald Trump were to lose last week's election, I think there would have been a big push to reinstall the neocons because the MAGA movement was unsuccessful. But now that he won and he won two out of the last three elections, I think the overwhelming support among the Republican party is going to be let's continue this movement in four years so long as things go well you already look at the betting odds which were very accurate this time around jd vance is a heavy favorite to be the republican nominee and that probably doesn't happen if donald trump loses so while the

cabinet is i'm not going to go as far as say disappointing think there are reasons why you would put someone like marco rubio um where he is but i do think going forward the maga movement movement has officially not only taken this party over, but here to stay at least in the short term. I think it's a long-term victory for MAGA. You mentioned betting markets. That's one of your winners, Polymarket. And by the way, I had this, I think I have this here for the audience to see, because I just found it fascinating today. On Polymarket today, they have, I thought I had it. They have. They have. Senate Majority Leader, here it is, Senate Majority Leader at Polymarkets, John Thune as the overwhelming

favorite at 62%. Rick Scott, the favorite of many on the right, at 29%. John Cornyn at 12%. The reason this is worth paying attention to, to your point, Polymarket, a lot of people are talking about a winner from this election. Yeah, it's very similar to the sports market. So, So, all right, I'll just use an example. The betting market for draft king's a fan duel usually is access to information. The rest of us don't. They will say the Packers are six-point underdogs when we're like, well, how does that make sense? Well, it's because they have inside information that Jordan Love is not going to play.

My suspicion is that Polly Market, as it became more prominent, has real insight into internal polling, which was confirmed several times when there was an eternal poll leak, it was usually pretty consistent with the polymarket shift about four days prior. So when the betting market is favoring a candidate, that's mostly based on insights that the public doesn't yet have. So I take that very seriously, even though those numbers do surprise me just at first glance. Well, he's got this column up at Outkick.

It's winners and losers from the election. But, Bobby, you have a whole host of fascinating columns up I was looking at and saying to myself, I got to get to read, which is Chris Wallace is leaving CNN, hoping to become a full-time podcaster. Good luck to that, Chris Wallace. You have one up on Howard Stern, blaming men for Kamala's loss. And then you have one on ESPN, completely avoiding politics, not talking about Trump or Kamala. Yeah, the last one I thought was very interesting. I heard from several, several different talents that they received an email the week prior to the election saying, stay away, don't mention it.

And to their credit, ESPN has not even acknowledged the results of the election. They have not criticized Trump. They have not spoken out in support of Harris. They have just, not to use the cliche, but they've stuck to sports. And their ratings have been very positive since then. So I think this shows yet again, people don't tune into ESPN. to hear Mina Kimes and L. Duncan bemoan about Donald Trump's victory. They go to ESPN for an escape, and ESPN's finally figuring out that is their correct business model.

All right, before we go, because it's something I want to do. I think I've spoken to Bobby in the past week and a half. I know that we've texted. I know I spoke about this on the show, the day after Bobby's last appearance here on the Will Kane show, which, by the way, was a day I wasn't very happy with the way things went on this show. I've apologized to my producer, all my guys, but Patrick in particular, I was quitting nicotine, which by the way didn't take. And so now I guess I'm in a good mood again. And so my mood was very up and down. But the point is you deserve an apology that day, Bobby. I was incredibly grumpy last time you're on the show. I'm not today, but you should never have to deal with me like that. And so my goal on this show is to be honest with

you, everybody watching. And so here you have my apologies right here in front of the world, Bobby. I appreciate that, and you and I have spoken, we're all good. But I don't think you're being totally honest. I don't think it was just that you quit Zen. I think you're in a bit of a sports depression because your Dallas Cowboys might be the worst team in the NFL. And I think I was on here on a Monday after another Cowboys loss. I think that probably contributed to your very sour measure.

Well, I'm going to have to say that's probably inaccurate. it. I've already re-speak, I have achieved a level of zen. How about that when it comes to the Cowboys? I'm pretty, I'm pretty zen and complacent with their place in the NFL, so they're not going to be in control of my moods going forward. Now, the Longhorns, that's something different. They could ruin my week, but not the Cowboys. Yeah, no, all good. Appreciate it. Again, congratulations to you and the team, and very happy with the results. So we'll stay in touch. all right check him out at outkick bobby barack thanks for being on the will cane show all right

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