Will Cain Country - Six Secret Service Agents Suspended, Still Searching For Answers From The Trump Assassination Attempt (ft. Franco Porporino Jr, Sheriff Michael Slupe, and Mike "Gunz" Gunzelman)

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Story #1: The Director and Executive Producer of FOX Nation's 'Butler Under Fire: The Search for Justice,' Franco Porporino Jr and Butler County Sheriff Michael Slupe join Will just days before the ...first anniversary of the Trump assassination attempt and following the suspension of 6 Secret Service agents to discuss what we've learned in the aftermath of the event. Porporino shares many of the never before seen or heard details from that tragic day in Butler, PA. Story #2: Did cloud seeding play a major role in the deadly Texas floods? Will revisits his conversation from yesterday's 'The Will Cain Show' with Rainmaker CEO Augustus Doricko and the feedback he received from the internet and Willitia. Story #3: Did 'The Athletic' get their top 10 College Football rivalries right? Why did a popular podcaster from the Left not release an interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris during the election? OutKick Writer Mike "Gunz" Gunzelman breaks it all down with Will. Subscribe to 'Will Cain Country' on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:40 Can you think of a bigger story, including Joe Biden's decline, that has received less coverage than the attempted assassination of President Donald Trump? Two, what is cloud seeding? What is it not? Was it done in Texas? in the days leading up to the catastrophic floods.
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Starting point is 00:01:40 We hope you will. Head on over and subscribe. Leave us a five-star review. Jump into the comments section on YouTube or in Facebook and become a member of the Walliscia. I had a fascinating, absolutely eye-opening conversation yesterday with the CEO of Rainmaker Corp. 25-year-old Augustus Dorico is at the center of a firestorm or a flood. He's at the center of a controversy right now over weather, cloud seeding played a role in the catastrophic flooding in central Texas. Yesterday, we had this almost 10-minute conversation on the Will Kane show.
Starting point is 00:02:21 The reaction has been also fascinating from both the left and the right. There are those that don't believe that cloud seeding even exists and think that I'm indulging in a conspiracy. There are others that do not distinguish cloud seeding from geoengineering or Kim Trails and don't truly understand the science behind cloud seeding. Did it play a role in the days leading up to the Texas floods? Well, we begin that conversation today and we include you, the Willisha. You don't want to miss that coming up in a little bit here. on Wilkane country. But we are just shy of one year away
Starting point is 00:03:04 from this moment in Butler, Pennsylvania. And you know, that's a little bit old, that chart. That chart's a couple of months old. And if you want to really see something that said, take a look at what happened. Go ahead, get down, go, go, go and do. What are we doing? What are we doing?
Starting point is 00:03:26 Butler Under Fire, The Search for Justice is a brand new, in-depth special up now at Fox Nation. With the breaking news today that six Secret Service agents have been suspended for their failures that day in Butler, Pennsylvania, we dive deep in just a moment on what exactly happened and address the question that remains unanswered. Who the hell is Thomas Crooks?
Starting point is 00:04:01 And I ask you, can you think of a bigger story than the attempted assassination of a one-time president and would-be second-term president that has received less attention? And I would include in that the cover-up of the mental decline of a sitting president. I would suggest even Joe Biden's senility received more coverage than the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. But as I mentioned, Franco Porpino has directed and executive produced Butler Under Fire. It includes some of the first interviews with Helen Comparatore, the widow of Corey Comparatory, the firefighter killed that day in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:04:47 And they attempt to ask the questions about what failed. Here's a bit of Butler under fire on fire. Fox Nation. Literally waiting to see the cavalry to come and swarm that building. He was waiting, frustrated. He's watching these people. Where is the response that's going to take care of this? It was the ultimate failure and of the Secret Service. I just can't believe that building was left. Like, not even checked. Or can we? It was right there. Yes. What really gets me is that there was a threat and they let him come out on stage. If they would have just held him, none of this would have ever happened.
Starting point is 00:05:31 So let's get right into what happened with Butler Underfire. Story number one. Franco Porporino Jr. is the director and executive producer of Butler Under Fire. We're joined as well by Sheriff Mark Sloop of Butler County's Sheriff Department, and we appreciate both of you gentlemen being with us here today. Frank, I'd love to start with you. This special, which is up now at Fox Nation, approaches the one-year anniversary of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:06:04 I'm curious, what was your biggest revelation in putting together this in-depth documentary on the assassination attempt? Well, first of all, well, thank you for having me on your show, and it's always great to see you, Sheriff's Loop, on Zoom this time, but not in person. But to answer your question, Will, when I started this project, my initial vision was to create a historical documentary, something that captured the events of that tragic day in Butler. But as I got deeper into it, it really became so much more personal to me. And what I mean by that is traveling to Butler and meeting people like Sheriff's Sloop and Helen Comparatory changed everything. They welcomed me, I will say, with open arms, and I can honestly say, and I'll speak for myself, Sheriff's Loop, but they really did become family to me. But I think what the world really needs to really know about this documentary and doing this is that there's a tremendous amount of responsibility that comes with telling a story like this.
Starting point is 00:07:13 We wanted to make sure that it was done with integrity and respect. for the people who lived it. And the truth of the matter is this is not a documentary you know, for headlines or to get clicks. It's the human side of tragedy the world hasn't fully understood yet. And the way I look at it
Starting point is 00:07:34 as you said, well, you know, we're approaching the one year now. And the facts are the rally came and went, the Secret Service came and went, but there is still a community a family and a nation searching for answers one year later. Searching for answers is exactly correct. Sheriff Sloop, I wonder what your reaction is today
Starting point is 00:07:58 to the news that six Secret Service agents, at various levels, by the way, of authority, have been suspended under the DHS for what happened that day in Butler? I've said this before. I prefer not to comment on it simply because, look, it's been a year. there's been many, many investigations. We've been part of those as being interviewed by the Secret Service, Homeland Security, et cetera, et cetera. And my feeling is that those at the top of this Secret Service made a decision based on the facts that they were given.
Starting point is 00:08:37 So I'd rather not comment it simply because, too, if I were to discipline deputies for whatever reason, I'm doing it because of the facts that were given to me. about the incident, and I make a determination on discipline. I am not going to say, oh, they were, they should be this or that. I believe that the Secret Service, who's in charge of the Secret Service, did what they felt is best after the information they received. And yet, the best wasn't good enough that day. The evidence is obvious.
Starting point is 00:09:15 And so I'm curious from your analysis, Sheriff, then what went wrong? Obviously, a catastrophic failure. You know, he was able to get up on a roof, generally undetected. Citizens away from the rally point saw him start calling out. I don't know to who. You know, you get that from watching all the videos. And, you know, by the time law enforcement actually saw him on the roof, he turned around, gunshots started firing.
Starting point is 00:09:58 It was like that. Not to cross-examine you, Sheriff, but it does seem like, in, according to your documentary here, a butler under fire, that there was information available. There was information available in being passed on in the documentary, I believe, Franco. It's the case is made that was passed on from local. Hour and 15 minutes. Tell me more about that. Tell me more about that, Franco.
Starting point is 00:10:27 What you're going to see in this documentary, which is truly exclusive, is you have the Butler Emergency Service Unit that was inside the AGR building with Commander Lentz in his communication post. This is the first time that anyone's hearing their story. So they are the ones that were communicating. Edward Lentz was the commander that day for the local SWAT units. He was all the information that he was receiving. Now, when I say this is, it's just not an interview in this documentary. We have all the radio comms. You're going to hear all the transmissions that happened as it unfolded.
Starting point is 00:11:06 And what you will see is that at approximately 4.45 p.m., if I'm not mistaking is the first time that someone spots it was the beaver County sniper in the ajar building that took actual pictures of of of crooks and obviously passed them up the chain now we do have firsthand interviews not only from Commander Lentz but from the whole entire Butler ESU team and more importantly I think you know what you're going to discover in this documentary is that, you know, and I know he doesn't really like when I mention his name, but there is a Butler ESU member by the name of Aaron Zalaponi that never really got recognition, but he's
Starting point is 00:11:53 the person that fired a nice shot. And technically, you will see from this documentary that it is alleged that Zalaponi, after he fired his nice shot, hit Crooks' buttstock on his AR rifle, and he stopped shooting. So he had another 20 bullets left in his chamber. So if Aaron Zalopony did not take that shot, in my summation, in my opinion, I truly believe there would be a lot more casualties because after Aaron Zalopony fired that shot,
Starting point is 00:12:29 Crooks never fires again. So there's a lot of things that really... Are you talking... Go ahead. Well, I was just to say, okay, so you're talking about that communication process of an hour and 15 minutes and how information was passed up.
Starting point is 00:12:42 And you mentioned what's revealed in the documentary. Why don't we do this? Let's watch a little bit of it together, and you can see how this is laid out. Here's a little clip from Butler Under Fire. We're observing he has a rangefinder, and from their perspective, it looked like he was lazing the podium.
Starting point is 00:12:56 He was up against the building, believe he was looking up at us, and then he walked around the side of the building. We lost sight of him. Copy. That escalated our level of concern. Be on a lookout for a white mill, lawn care, backpack on a bicycle. I immediately contacted the state police sergeant, and I know for a fact he put that information,
Starting point is 00:13:26 passed it forward to the Secret Service. And the Secret Service, they were actually answering you. I can tell you 100% that the Secret Service was absolutely aware. all right pretty stunning clip there franco i mean you mentioned the timeline so that first clip the beginning of that clip it's 445 when i believe it's about 445 p.m when crooks is noticed and becomes someone of interest that everybody is watching by 545 now you have not just you know post interview footage from your documentary but as you mentioned you have the radio comms of them saying, hey, there's this guy on top of the AGR building or around the AGR building.
Starting point is 00:14:15 And then you have the testimony there of it was 100% passed on to the Secret Service. Unequivocally, that is 100% to truth. We also have radio comms when Commander Ed Lance specifically says to his team that Butler Township and the state police are looking for him around the AGR building. That's, I would say, 30 minutes prior to Trump taking the stage. So what happened? I put this to both of you. Let's go back to you, Sheriff. So what happened?
Starting point is 00:14:48 If what, you know, Franco says it's unequivocally true, you hear the testimony of officers in the documentary that was passed on to the Secret Service. What then? What happened? Right. Unfortunately, my deputies weren't in the command post with the Secret Service. But if what Franco says happened, which I believe because he's done a lot of research, then, you know, it would have been incumbent upon the Secret Service to, you know, radio call to whoever, look for a suspicious person. Or, again, you know, once the range finders come into play, you know, once the rifle is out, you know, where's that communication? When do they know? How do they know?
Starting point is 00:15:27 I mean, yeah, there's a lot of questions. And honestly, I hope that the investigations from the FBI and the FBI and the investigation, you know, and the state police, homeland security, Senate, Congress, I mean, you couldn't believe the amount of investigations occurred right after July 13th. We were inundated with questions. But I hope that those questions will be answered in this final report, which, I mean, I haven't seen and I haven't asked for anything either, but, you know, it does come to question. And, well, if I can, Let me follow up with this. Real quick, if you wouldn't mind, Frank, I'm going to come back to you.
Starting point is 00:16:08 But, Sheriff, because it just ties on and we said, Sheriff, what should have happened then? If that information was passed on to the Secret Service, we know what didn't happen, or seemingly what didn't happen based upon the results. What should have happened? Well, again, not knowing the Secret Service protocol, and I don't know at what point they call their code to get them off the stage. And you have to understand that no matter what rally, there's always some goofball walking around suspicious. And let's face the fact. If the president was taken off the stage, every time there was a suspicious person, he'd probably tell these guys, do not take me off the stage unless, you know.
Starting point is 00:16:51 So, again, I don't know their protocol, but at what point do they get them off the stage? I don't know. And of course, you know, since everything happened, of course, we all say at a certain time he shouldn't even have gone out that's the argument right right i think back to you then frank i know you had something to say i think one of the biggest challenges that they and in really knowing the story and going through all the congressional reports and looking at most of the testimonies that day i think one of the biggest uh breaches that they had that day was that there wasn't one central command post and i think that's where the community
Starting point is 00:17:32 communication breakdown truly happened because you have commander lenz in one command post and then you have the state police and a secret service in a different command post why did that happen i don't have the answer to that but i believe that you know in a rally for a presidential candidate i i strongly believe and again i'm not the secret service or pennsylvania state police uh but i i really think that all the commanders and everyone making the decision should have been all in one trailer or one command post and well I'll comment on that in 2020 when the president Trump came to Butler there was a central command post everyone who had a radio was in that room you know my deputies were paired with secret service agents in certain areas you know July 13th I unfortunately was out of the county for the week I came back Friday my chief deputy did a great job working with state police, getting personnel assigned. But then, again, in, and you're right, there was a county asset in the command post. It wasn't a deputy, though, okay?
Starting point is 00:18:47 But then in October when he came back, everybody in their brother was in the same room. And like Franco said, that is exactly what's. Not everybody should be on the same radio frequency because it would be jammed act. Everybody has their own radio and there's verbal communications across the table beside each other of what's going on, keeping everybody informed. Okay, so if I'm reading you guys correctly, Franco, what you're saying is, okay, you've got all this information coming in. Now, it's over an hour and 15 minutes worth of information coming in, and I'm not, I'm sure it's not consistent, it's sporadic, and it increases in its intensity and obviousness over time. But you've got this information coming in, but it's never reaching the person. in a cohesive or coherent manner that can say that's a threat, immediately focus on that,
Starting point is 00:19:38 either take him out? Because by the way, he's not just a, I think, to be fair, he's not just a crazy rally goer, right? At some point, he's got the rangefinder. I don't know when the rifle becomes visible, but even being on top of a building. These things I would hope and think are different than a regular crazy rally goer. And at some point, the alarm should have gone off an action is taken. That action, either not letting the president go on the stage, or I don't know what the protocol is for Secret Service, but at some point, taking the threat out, Franco. Well, listen, I think one of the biggest things for me is, as this unfolded on TV, you know, obviously I started bombarding Sheriff's Loop to just get access, to do this documentary.
Starting point is 00:20:25 And I will tell you, I think the most alarming thing for me and honestly, I still I still remember it vividly is that when I traveled to Butler Farms three weeks after the Trump assassination attempt, I stood exactly where Trump was standing and I couldn't comprehend how close that Thomas Crooks was from where he was standing. Like, for me, it's like, now, the reason why I say that is I also attended the second rally, okay? And at the second rally, I mean, it was like Fort Knox you couldn't get through. So, and at that particular time as well, he was not president. So for me, I guess the real question comes, why didn't he have that type of security on July 13th the first time that he rallied in Butler? I mean, that's the real question. And I think the other question pertaining to communication breakdown is what really happened? And this is the question that I asked, Commander Lansing, you'll get an answer in this documentary is what happened the moment that he passed up to chain to Pennsylvania State Police, the sergeant in the command post with the Secret Service.
Starting point is 00:21:47 what happened after he communicated that there was a suspicious person on the AGR building. We do not have the answer to that question, but we do take a very in-depth look, and this is the first time that these guys are speaking. And I will tell you also, Will, that they're only speaking for one reason. And I recall, in Sheriff Sloop, I mean, you know those guys over at Adams Township as well. They did not want to tell their story. These guys are not about grabbing headlines and saying that we're the local heroes here. They only wanted to tell this story for one specific reason.
Starting point is 00:22:27 And that was, if Helen Comptory wants us to tell this story, we will tell this story. And that's why they're speaking for the first time. Do you have an answer to the first question, Franco, why there wasn't more serious or dedicated security personality? to President Trump at the first Butler rally? Listen, I have one question, and it's a question that I've never asked, and I'll probably ask it right now on your program. But for me, if you see someone an hour and 15 minutes,
Starting point is 00:23:06 that's suspicious looking, right? Why didn't someone grab this person? I don't care if it's the Pennsylvania State Police Secret Service, local Butler Township Police, the Butler SWAT guys that saw them. Like, I still can't wrap my head around why someone didn't try to, you know, apprehend them. For me, that's the question. But it's like, well, I can answer. I get that.
Starting point is 00:23:31 But you also, real quick, you asked a different question, though, as well, Franco, that I do want to push on, which is you suggested you didn't think his security detail was adequate the first go around at the rally. and you forwarded the question to us just a moment ago, Franco, why? I can't answer that question, but I will tell you this. I know for a fact, and Sheriff Sloop, you were at the first rally as well. I think you could answer this question. They had the second rally opposed to the first rally. At the second rally, they had semi-axles creating a perimeter around the whole entire rally.
Starting point is 00:24:11 there was, I think, four secret service to every person entering inside the rally. As far as the initial, the first rally, I can't answer that question. But for me, it was completely night and day from the first rally to the second rally. And I can't answer that question. I mean, that's, you know, how they allow a presidential candidate to have, and Sheriff Sloop, correct me if I'm wrong, because you probably know more to me when it comes to the first rally. But from my understanding, there was only two snipers. teams there on north and south of the red barns other than that i don't believe there was anyone
Starting point is 00:24:46 else there from the secret service um well first it's my understanding that uh first lady jill biden uh had come to pittsburgh the same day i don't know what her detail looks like um you know as we know the president was a protected person at that point and had been since he left office um you know and i would agree with frank go, you know, it was different from 2020 to October. I mean, obviously, these are the questions that Secret Service has to answer, and probably already did. But I'm just telling you that it was different.
Starting point is 00:25:33 And I agree with him. And one thing that I'll never forget is still in my mind that when we walked out from, back the stage when I looked to my right, the bleachers there were on the right, and there was a huge open hole, and then there was like a combine. And I thought to myself, where is, like Franco said, a tractor trailer, any, a bus, anything blocking that opening? Again, I wasn't part of the planning, but I turned around and started listening to the president at that point. And Will, I think what's also important is what with Butler ESU states in this documentary is they really didn't have any debriefing from the Secret Service as far as, you know, where they would be positioned or anything. So you're going to, there's a lot of information and I think no one can tell the story better than these guys from Butler ESU.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And it's just not Commander Lentz. It's the timeline of events that we pretty much have throughout. this documentary. And it's really powerful because when you take the interviews from these people that were their first hand in the EGR building and you factor in the real live radio comms, you really get a broad picture on what really transpired that day. Okay, just a couple more questions for you. Franco, you talk about the important role that Helen Comparatore played in the fact that so many others were willing to talk because she wanted to talk.
Starting point is 00:27:11 We heard her in the clip that we just played from the documentary. Why did she want to start talking? Why did she want to share her story and her questions? Well, initially, you know, she was just inundated what everyone's just trying to get, you know, the story from her and get the exclusivity. And, you know, I think what really happened is by spending a lot of time in Butler, Because when I went out there, you know, I really didn't have access to anything yet. I just sat down with Sheriff Sloop.
Starting point is 00:27:43 We had lunch. And then from there, I mean, we built this level of respect for one another. And I will tell you that, you know, I, Sheriff Sloop has a lot to do with, you know, why the people in Butler had a tremendous level of trust, you know, for me to tell this story. because one thing that I wanted to be very transparent is that I wanted to tell the real, raw, and organic truth. And however which way that may have came out, that's what I wanted to tell. But as I spent so much time with Helen and getting to know Sheriff's Sloop and, you know, former Chief Kip Johnson from Buffalo Township volunteer, where Corey was a firefighter, It was a story that I think Helen specifically said that and this was honestly, Will, it was so like, I couldn't comprehend what she told me last week, but she said to me the reason why I want this story told is because they were getting DMs in her inbox that this was all fabricated. Like this truly never happened and, you know, and her and and I will tell you one.
Starting point is 00:29:04 thing well i'm not sure if you know this but we have something in this documentary that i think is going to really move the world and and anyone out there that's got all these conspiracy theorists saying that this never happened i think they're going to get a rude awakening because with helen's blessing we have exclusive video from cori comparatory's phone she got the phone back from the FBI. And we actually have the video of Corey recording his final moments when shots were fired. So that is in this documentary. It's never been seen before. So I think besides, you know, being a producer, this is more of a personal, personal story for me, especially knowing that the grief and, you know, what Helen's been going through and also her girls. And think about it. A week
Starting point is 00:30:01 after the anniversary a week after uh cori's tragic death it's it's helen and corey's anniversary and then her daughter's getting married so it's you know she's going through a lot there but um i i think anyone that's you know listening right now your viewers people out in fox fox nation it's a documentary like like no other i think look everyone's trying to do a butler uh you know assassination documentary you see so many clips out there so many documentaries but this is going to be the raw organic truth from people that were at the front line and I think no one can tell that story better than the guys from Butler ESU and you're going to see that in this documentary wow okay one last question
Starting point is 00:30:49 for you guys so I said at the outset I think this is one of the biggest and most important stories of our lifetime and my personal opinion has not received a proportionate level of coverage or inquisitiveness compared to other stories that come and go in the news cycle, including, for example, satisfactory answers, stories on who is Thomas Crooks? Who was this would be assassin? So I'm curious from both of you, I'll go to the sheriff and then to Franco, that over the past year, do you feel like you have understood and have answers to that question of who is Thomas Crooks?
Starting point is 00:31:28 not at all not at all I mean you said you don't know or not at all no no not at all there's nothing I mean you would think that people that knew them best would come forward nobody has a year almost a year later
Starting point is 00:31:47 you know the investigation there nothing other than some materials in his room for making bombs you know, I don't know what was on his phone if they even got into it, when they got into it. You know, there's so many unanswered questions surrounding him and his life
Starting point is 00:32:09 and, you know, mental health, what? You know? Right. Yeah. But no, nothing. Franco? Well, we'll,
Starting point is 00:32:26 I mean, that's the question everyone's asking, right? And honestly, it's one of the most frustrating parts of this story. What we know about Thomas Crooks is still very limited, in my opinion. And even nearly a year later, this is a young man with no prior criminal record, no history of violence. And yet he carried out one of the most brazen attacks on a presidential candidate. But what we do have in this documentary is we do have an investigative. of journalists by the name of Ken Silva. And we also have Judicial Watch Tom Fitton
Starting point is 00:33:00 on this documentary. We do bring some important highlights on how the evidence obviously was handled after he was deceased on that roof. And there is one thing in this documentary that we were able to retrieve, thankfully, to Senator Chuck Rassley's offices. We have an x-ray of Thomas
Starting point is 00:33:26 crook's body with bullet fragments still on his shoulder and they cremated him so to me it's like how is that even possible so there's there's a lot of unanswered questions here and and hopefully in due time and then hopefully you know this documentary will answer some of those questions all right the documentary is butler under fire yeah sure it's sheriff sure i was just take three things. One, Butler Under Fire was a very powerful documentary. Fox allowed us, Franco, to show it at the Penn Theater, a historic theater in Butler. A couple hundred or more people came to different shows. And I'm telling you, nobody moved. The entire 20-some minutes of that documentary, it was powerful. I was blessed. Franco showed me sort of a preview of
Starting point is 00:34:22 the second documentary, and he told me it's even better than what I've seen. So I'm looking forward to watching the second part of the documentary. And third, I love watching your show. So that's it. I appreciate that, Sheriff. Thank you very much. I appreciate both of you coming on answering these questions. I mean, Franco, it does sound like something you can't miss.
Starting point is 00:34:48 It's Butler under fire. The Search for Justice. It's available right now at Foxen, I can promise you I don't give gratuitous compliments I don't say things that I don't mean I'll be watching this very very soon and I think everyone else should as well gentlemen thank you both for being with me here today and for your time thank you cheers all right wow I think I need to break that down talk about that with you but also I want to break down I've also already heard from you and I think this conversation is can't miss cloud seeding
Starting point is 00:35:22 What is it? Is it real? Was it taking place in the days leading up to the catastrophic flooding in Texas? And even if it was taking place, did it contribute? Well, I spoke to the CEO of Rainmaker, a cloud seating business that was operating in Texas on July 2nd. That's coming up on Wilcane Country. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey Gatti podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcast.com. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com. Or wherever you download podcast. podcast. Cloud seeding did it play a role in the catastrophic flooding in central Texas. It's Will Kane Country streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube and the Fox News Facebook page. If you jump into the comments section, we bring you into the show. We call you a member of the Willisha. So two days, Dan Tenfoil Pat, perfect little crew here to talk about this, because tinfoil Pat's nickname is well-earned.
Starting point is 00:36:53 He's ready to buy in, whatever it is, scant evidence in. Meanwhile, two days has direct exposure to the Brooklyn brunch crew and their mindset from the left. And I think that both of those points of view, I have seen play out in the past 24 hours when it comes to me, but a little bit longer since the Texas flooding. When it comes to the idea of cloud seeding, and I want to give you a little bit of a taste of that before we start this conversation. This is some of the comments. Yesterday on the Will Kane show on the Fox News Channel, I conducted roughly like an eight-minute interview with the CEO of Rainmaker, which is a startup business, a cloud seeding business, who was operating in Texas on July 2nd. Now, he is in the middle of an absolute controversy with many people blaming Rainmaker and him for what. happened in Texas. But oddly, that happens at the same time as those from the left think this
Starting point is 00:37:55 is complete conspiracy talk and don't think cloud seating even exists. And I want to show you what I'm talking about here. So first of all, in the wake of our conversation yesterday, Aaron Rupar, which I don't even know who he is beyond an X profile, to the best that I can tell, He's like a half-popped Zit that oozes out bile throughout the day by watching the Fox News channel and mischaracterizing or I don't even know, you know, taking things out of context. This is what he posted. You know, it shows a picture of our show. I'm talking to Augustus DeRico, the CEO of Rainmaker. The lower third says, breaking down cloud seeding concerns amid Texas flood.
Starting point is 00:38:42 His comment is, checking in on Fox News coverage of the. Texas floods. The implication being where, I don't know, what, indulging in conspiracy or something completely irrelevant. And that led to a lot of comments like this. It's stupid S. stupid people like Will Kane is spewed to his mouth breather followers to keep the agitated and believing they are out to get them. Okay. So this is the mindset from the left. What is this conspiracy talk. What are you talking about cloud seeding? What does it have to do? You're a completely irresponsible conspiracy theorist. Now, for that point of view, let's just for a moment go to two a days. You told me that essentially is the mindset of the Brooklyn brunch crew in us talking about
Starting point is 00:39:34 cloud seating. Fair? Exactly. I got texts being like, are you with a screenshot of the TV show, just like that, being like, are you guys seriously talking about this? right now on your network. I was like, what do you mean? I said, it's a real thing. Is damn right. Yes. Damn right.
Starting point is 00:39:52 I defended it so hard. They were like, you cannot be defending that. Okay, so there, I'm going to tell you something. I didn't know anything about cloud seating a week ago. I really didn't, you know? And I've learned a lot, a lot in the past week. I think they probably live in this world where they think it's fake, right? That it's a complete conspiracy, that it's like,
Starting point is 00:40:15 simply the province of Alex Jones, who is not always wrong, by the way. We control the weather. That's what the, you know, that's the mindset. The government controls the weather. Right. And so, so there was other comments like that. So Will Kane, this is from Renaissance XM on Blue Sky, which I'm not on, but I guess they reposted on X.
Starting point is 00:40:35 So Wilcane is concerned about weather manipulation, but has no concerns about climate change happening all around us. Texas, New Mexico, North Carolina, all suffered disasters flooding within the same week. Dude sold is sold to become a sea team, a sea teamer at Fox News. A C-teamer got me. So, so I'll indulge the idea of weather manipulation, but not climate change is the implication there. I'm not even going to do the climate change conversation right now, but here's what I find fascinating. These people live in perpetual ignorance masquerading as education. They act like they know things, but they regurgent.
Starting point is 00:41:14 not even acceptable knowledge, but acceptable truisms set amongst their crowd. Okay, so let me start with this. Now, before I get to the criticism from the other side, cloud seating is real. That's not, I don't know how the way to put that to you. It's been done since 1946. Cloud seating started, according to Augustus Dorico, the CEO of Rainmaker, in upstate New York in 1946, the attempt to make clouds rain to solve for drought problems, not just drought problems. This stuff is on the record.
Starting point is 00:41:50 So for this crew of people, I don't know what to tell them. In the 1960s, Operation Popeye was a military operation in Vietnam that the United States government attempted to manipulate the weather to make it rain with cloud seating to flood and muck up and make mud of the Viet Cong's supply lines. through Vietnam. I think there was even a saying, make mud, not war. And the idea was if you can bog down their logistics lines, they can't fight on the front lines. It's a real thing. Operation Popeye, look it up. After Operation Popeye, this is how stupid they are, because this is all publicly available, there was a global treaty, an international treaty in the early 1970s with nations committing not to use weather modification as a weapon. So, you know, whatever international are worth, weaponization of weather modification has been outlawed internationally, according to treaties.
Starting point is 00:42:48 Don't know why they do that if it's not real, right? So, but according to Dorico in conversations I've had with him and listened to him in long, long, long form, he was on the Sean Ryan show. You really couldn't measure it. You didn't know if it worked. Okay? They seeded clouds. They tried to make it rain. It would, it wouldn't.
Starting point is 00:43:09 They don't know if they caused it if the cloud was going to rain anyway. way, they didn't know until 2017. In 2017, and I don't know why it took them this long to do this, but they started flying irregular patterns. So they would go through a bank, a cloud, it's usually pretty targeted, and fly zigzag patterns or anything distinguishable. And if it rained, according to those zigzag patterns or whatever pattern you did, you could directly attribute that to whatever you did to modify the cloud, to whatever you did to make it rain. And so, So since then, Derricka, who's 25, there's several of these businesses, again. I don't know why these businesses exist if it's not real.
Starting point is 00:43:50 They have started up and they have contracts. As far as I know, certainly he makes the case for Rainmaker. They're contracts. A lot of people ask me this question. It's legitimate. Who is doing this? Well, the answer is local governments. So counties, cooperatives of multiple counties.
Starting point is 00:44:12 across America, mostly the Western, what's that? Not federal? I don't know if the federal government is involved in it. I don't know the answer to that. But for his business and they contract with Western states primarily like Texas, Idaho, Utah, and so forth, where there is drought. And these local cooperatives with some state money backing and also some farmers who contribute to the cooperatives need rain in their area. the aquifers are low, the rivers are low, the snowpack is low in Utah, and they hire these companies to make rain.
Starting point is 00:44:48 So how do they do that? Okay. The primary method is they use a compound called silver iodine, silver iodide, which is a natural compound, a mineral that naturally exists in the soil, and salt. They use those two things, and they use salt, and they aerosolize it with drones, sometimes they use planes, but primarily drones. They, and here's the other thing Dorico will say is, you can't do this
Starting point is 00:45:14 with any cloud. You have to identify clouds that have moisture in them that is not falling. And the question is, can you induce that cloud to release its moisture? And the process is, by aerosolizing silver iodide and salt, it gives
Starting point is 00:45:30 the moisture something to bind to and freeze, mostly by freezing, and then it drops. And then if the weather is warm underneath the cloud, it turns into rain. If it's cold under the cloud, it remains as snow. And a lot of their businesses in snow areas, because that ultimately melts and replenishes the aquifer.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Big operations, apparently, in the state of Utah. So, he makes the case to me, and he has put out the research. He is incredibly transparent. He has done Dinesh D'Souza, Tim Poole, Steve Bannon, Will Kane. he said he's going to do info wars he has done Sean Ryan in talking about this
Starting point is 00:46:14 and he'll take any question he did a Twitter space I listened to an hour long Twitter space with a muse on X where he took questions from the audience anybody could jump in and ask questions and he makes the case
Starting point is 00:46:27 that the amount of silver iodide that they release is fractional nothing compared to what it naturally exists in the soil so he's making the case that it's safe and it's highly localized and targeted, and it produces, not, from what I can tell, it's never produced delusions, but a little bit of rain, usually like a centimeter, something like that of rain that over a crop, over time, helps. Okay, then on the flip side really quickly, I got a lot of this criticism from Marie on X. Your interview was so soft. Why didn't you ask him about why they were in Texas?
Starting point is 00:47:01 Or Angela Starkey. I used to have respect for you and watch your share. show every day until today. Your show is nothing but mainstream media propaganda machine and I'm convinced you sold out Americans. We are not new to this issue and have been educated on it for years and decades now. You should have done better research before you had this child on your show. So a lot of criticism from that side as well that I didn't push him harder. And I don't, I'll let you be the judge. I'll play it in a minute. We'll be right back on Will Kane Country. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes. We ask people on the streets of New York City to play along.
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Starting point is 00:47:51 It is five days a week, every week. Download and listen at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. But I just want to do one more thing to set up this conversation. Their weather modification is a broad umbrella that usually encompasses three different categories. Cloud seeding, which we're discussing. Geoengineering is the broad term they use, but that is the more modern thing that is not well tested where they're trying to.
Starting point is 00:48:21 And I don't know this one I don't know much about, and I can't give the details like I did with cloud seating, where they attempt to do something to interfere with the sun's rays reaching the surface of the earth to cool down the earth. it's based upon global warming concerns and so forth. Different. And then Kim Trails. And Kim Trails is the theory that all of the contours coming off of airplanes are seeded with chemicals. Dorico, by the way, doesn't dismiss any of these things. He thinks geoengineering is very concerning.
Starting point is 00:48:54 He thinks there should be regulation on cloud seating. And he said he's open to the idea, but he hasn't seen evidence that anything is aerosolized into con trails making them Kim trails but he's open to you sending him information is what he said that groundwork a lot being laid hopefully you know a little more now about what this all is I'll talk to you about its role in Texas because they were doing operations as recently as July 2nd but here now let's listen to the CEO of Rainmaker Augustus Dorico Augustus great to see you thanks for being with us here today and thanks for facing so many of the questions that have come your way over the last couple of
Starting point is 00:49:33 days in the last week. You have appeared with Tim Poole, Dinesh D'Souza, Steve Bannon, you're here today with me to take these issues head on. So let's start with what cloud seeding is. Would you talk to me about that versus the other forms of weather modification? Absolutely. So cloud seeding is a technology that was invented in America in the 40s for the sake of creating more water in times of drought, be that in the form of enhancing snowpack or water and rain to recharge reservoirs or aquifers that being depleted. It's something that we've known about for a long time, that we have longitudinal safety data on, that I'm happy to express transparently and give to the public consistently. Now, cloud seating often gets conflated with another technology that's
Starting point is 00:50:16 called solar radiation modification, or SRM. SRM is a proposed technology that's beginning to be experimented with. It's not nearly as old as cloud seating, but SRM is a proposed technology to inject reflective particles into the stratosphere to block some of the solar radiation and then cool the planet down. That is all together and totally different from cloud seeding. Cloud seeding is a water supply tool with localized effects and a long history that we can talk about the safety data of. SRM is something relatively new that would have global and climatic implications rather than just effects on local weather. And then there's this third thing which is chem trails or con trails. And so
Starting point is 00:50:53 where we know that cloud seeding is real, we know that SRM is real, I have yet to see any sufficient evidence of a malevolent conspiracy of someone releasing toxins into the atmosphere in those long, streaky tracks in the upper atmosphere, a lot of what I've seen seems to suggest that those are condensation trails formed by airplanes. Now, regardless of whether those are condensation trails or chem trails, and I am entirely open to people presenting evidence of them being chem trails of some kind, despite not believing them to be that now, if you see a long streak in the sky, that has nothing to do with cloud seeding,
Starting point is 00:51:28 which relies on existing big puffy natural clouds raining a little bit more. Okay, we talked about the process of cloud seeding. Let's focus in on cloud seeding. This is in your company's most frequent usage, putting silver iodide into clouds, targeted clouds, which use radar to target these clouds, that you think could produce moisture but haven't yet. And you've talked extensively on many of these shows, like the Sean Ryan show, about you've studied silver iodide, you know the effects of silver iodide.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Is this safe? Absolutely it is. And thank you for asking. So silver iodide in cloud seeding, right? We use about 50 grams per operation. That's something like 8 to 10 Skittles worth, and that gets distributed over hundreds of square miles, right? After decades of cloud seeding operations,
Starting point is 00:52:15 because Rainmaker is not the first one to have done this, right? There have been companies since the 50s conducting cloud seating ops. After decades of operations in the regions where cloud seating has occurred, we've only seen an increase in silver of about eight parts per trillion. And there's already about two parts per million naturally occurring in American soil of silver species. So we've added, after decades of cloud seeding, a million times less than what's naturally there, and it's had no adverse ecological or agricultural impacts. Okay, and people can listen to long reform interviews that you have done about some of the
Starting point is 00:52:44 safety and research that you've done on what you use to cloud seed. Now, I want you to please address a larger question, which is one that is somewhat broad and perhaps even religious. But are you playing God? Are you messing with things that you shouldn't be messing with when it comes to the weather? I get this question all the time, and I totally think it makes sense to ask it. My intention is to serve God. I think that in Genesis 126 or 28, and then throughout the Psalms and the rest of the Bible, God tells us to take dominion over and steward creation, both for our sake, creations itself, and then to honor him. And so if there are droughts, and we have the tools to mitigate the damage done by them for our sake and for nature itself,
Starting point is 00:53:26 then we should deploy those for the sake of tending to and stewarding the world. And if we weren't to do that. If we were to ban cloud seeding wholesale, despite knowing that it's safe, despite knowing it could help alleviate these problems, we'd be abdicating our guide given responsibility to be stewards of the world. Okay, let's address, well, not it's safe now, and apply it to what you were doing on July 2nd in Texas. This is a very emotional moment. People are upset. Children, hundreds died. The question is whether or not rainmaker, cloud seating on July 2nd contributed to storms that occurred on July 4th. Did it enhance? Did it intensify what we saw some 36 to 48 hours later?
Starting point is 00:54:04 Unequivocally, our cloud seating operations on July 2nd did not impact the flooding that occurred later. And that said, my heart and prayers are still with all the people of Texas and all the families that have been affected. It was a tragedy. But in cloud seating on the second, one, we are regulated by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation, and we have what are called suspension criteria, where if there are national weather service flash flood warnings, or severe storm warnings, then we cannot operate in those areas per the restrictions and regulations we have. Our meteorologists actually proactively suspended operations a day before the National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning. So we were ahead of the curve there,
Starting point is 00:54:44 and then even so, the precipitation that we induced, right? Like the very best operations can produce tens of millions of gallons of precipitation over hundreds of square miles. That is de minimis relative to the remnants of the tropical storm that came in and dumped trillions of gallons. of precipitation. So you were able to produce, in short, something like this much rain, less than a centimeter of rain, and the flood itself, the storms themselves, it filled up a 20-foot pond, an Olympic-sized pool, 20 inches of rain. And so your argument is, if anything, we contributed the tiniest bit. I want to end with one somewhat scientific but skeptical question that I think you're ready to answer. I've listened to hours and hours of your content and read about
Starting point is 00:55:25 rainmaker. And the question is, is the silver iodide that you put into the atmosphere? localized to one cloud capable of remaining in the air and as a new storm system moves in supercharging that storm system could that have happened in Texas so supercharging no absolutely not remaining in the atmosphere no not that either when you see the clouds themselves when you disperse the silver iod into it and then it precipitates that air sole that particulate precipitates down and out within the course of hours now if you were to just disperse airs into open air then it could persist longer, but one, we were seeding clouds rather than dispersing it just in the open atmosphere.
Starting point is 00:56:05 And two, any amount that would have remained in the ensuing days and hours from our operation would have been so radically diffuse that have been lower in concentration than just the background dust. So it either produces rain within an hour or two or it dissipates within, I've heard you say something like 12 to 20 hours, meaning some 36 to 48 hours once the storm moves into Texas, your silver iodide would no longer be part of it. of the equation? No, not at all. All right. Augustus, I think you have been very upfront and open addressing things on X and appearing on as many programs as you can be to talk about this issue. I know with my history through dealing with the things that affected Lahaina Maui, how accuracy is very important in what happens with these natural disasters. And we appreciate you contributing to that accuracy and answering direct questions here today. Thank you. I plan to continue to do so and hope that in being transparent, we can build some trust around the science and the
Starting point is 00:56:57 operations yesterday augustus der rico CEO of rainmaker so two days in tinfoil i want to address a few more comments um first let's for those of you listening on podcast or on radio so and augustus knows this he may i've heard him make the joke he's 25 he's got a gloriously large mullet it's a serious and there's a lot going on there that a lot of people are going to have it's going to cause skepticism of him i mean those things in and of themselves are going to cause skepticism i think skepticism is okay by the way and i think that he does too he's there to answer the questions um but you know i feel like i've listened to so much and read so much that i even forget what i've actually said out loud or or what i've i've asked so for example dwe
Starting point is 00:57:55 Gibbs says, will you forgot to ask why he was seating there and who was paying him? Relevant questions for follow-up and verification versus the little general who says way too soft on this murderer. He was definitely responsible for the flooding. Okay, so hired by local government authorities, county level, multi-county level, usually, in that area, from what I understand, this part you can fact check me on, because even before the storm, which was predicted starting. that week, but never predicted to the extent and the extremity that anyone thought was going to
Starting point is 00:58:30 happen all the way up, by the way, until 1 a.m. on July 4th, it was under drought. It was still under drought conditions and people wanted water. I will tell you, in knowing something about Texas, there's another factor at play here. And during that interview, you could see a screen grab of the flight path of their cloud seating. It was a 19-minute flight, and they seated two clouds. And it is southeast of San Antonio. about 30 minutes to an hour southeast of San Antonio. Curville, Camp Mystic, the flood region, is about two hours northwest of San Antonio and up in elevation. It's the hill country.
Starting point is 00:59:12 The hill country plays out basically about the time you get to I-35, which runs between San Antonio and Austin. After that, it largely plays out into flatland, prairie land. that's where they were seating. You know, I had a lot of questions for them. Did you saturate the ground? Well, ahead of the flood. They weren't in the same area. Could it have done anything to put too much water in ahead of time before the flood?
Starting point is 00:59:40 Well, no, because you're downhill, downstream, down in elevation. It's not going to move that way. So the only thing I could think of is how it would affect it is if you put this silver iodide into the atmosphere, and then the storm follows along the same path up from Mexico. would it have traveled along the path that you seeded? And his argument is, the silver eye dead does one of two things. Turns into rain within an hour or two and drop to the ground. Or if it fails, it doesn't turn into rain.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Disperses out over a period of 12 to 20 hours to a point that it's ineffective now. By the way, he says dust makes rain as well. I didn't know that. So dust rising up in the atmosphere, reaching the cloud levels, gives the moisture something to bind to. And he says there they would have the same effect of natural. occurring dust. And so that's the, that's, I found it pretty compelling. And look, nobody cares more. I mean, I don't want to say that. I care about this in Texas immensely for many personal
Starting point is 01:00:38 reasons. I know people want to find blame. I know it's natural to find a bad guy. I know all of these things. But I've been through this when it comes to Lahaina and Maui. And it actually, if it's not accurate, it's very hurtful to the people that are involved in these things. I'm not closed to the idea that weather modification could have bad downstream effects. I think natural chain reactions are something you have to think about. And that's why I do appreciate him answering so many questions about this as you kind of apply science to something that sounds incredibly scary up there. But you have to be accurate. You can't just say, oh my God.
Starting point is 01:01:21 you're doing something that sounds unnatural and that did this. That's simply not good enough. You had some more comments to a days. Yes, I did. Well, I just want to say, the one thing that I'm skeptical about is weather's volatile.
Starting point is 01:01:34 You could throw a pebble into a reservoir and it'll break a dam. You don't know what's going to happen if you do something small. So it's a little skeptical. Well, I get the butterfly effect. I do. It's real.
Starting point is 01:01:45 But I don't know about a pebble breaking a dam. Like, I would want to see the science on that. Sure. What you just said? But if it backs it up, then you never know. But yeah, these are some comments I saw on Instagram. It was just kind of people weren't believing him at all. I mean, it was people who believe in cloud seating and have known about it clearly for years.
Starting point is 01:02:06 But you could read some of these if you want here. Sketchy, weather warfare. These are just various comments on Instagram. If it barely does anything, it has no effect. Why do it? Hmm. That's actually a fair question, you know. It's a new science. You're trying to battle drought. It does produce rain. They've been able to prove that. I don't think they've been able to produce significant quantities, certainly in one seeding, that it would cause anything like flooding. But it's like you take what's natural and you try to ring a little more out of it like a sponge. A lot of people point to what happened. I believe it was in Dubai. They cloud seed in, again, to the last. left again that thinks this is all they do this in in the Middle East a lot and it was catastrophic flooding in Dubai a few years ago and there were been questions about when
Starting point is 01:03:00 not cloud seeing did that by the way Dorico addresses that he says that was a massive storm system which they get incredibly rarely in the Middle East that storm system affected Saudi Arabia Dubai went on and affected Iran they were cloud sitting in Dubai there's no evidence he says it that way he doesn't say yes or no so there's no evidence that it did anything differently there than it did in other places that same system hit go ahead two days you said something you had a comment another one yeah so there was one in the chat that was pretty critical of what you were saying and kind of like talking about cloud seating in terms of the texas flood they're saying five great scenes says this is pathetic this man has no idea what he's talk about
Starting point is 01:03:39 and finding any excuse to help trump's administration avoid responsibility for helping the situation I don't even know what, who doesn't know what they're talking about? And what is that even, Derrico doesn't always talk about? Or I don't know. Talking about it because they're saying, why talk about cloud seating? It's the same thing as like, why, you know, the tinfoil hat, why is Fox doing cloud seating and not getting done real estate? I'm sorry, you can remain with your head up your ass and your head in the sand and not know this stuff. The reason you're talking about it is because they were cloud seating on July 2nd, 48 hours before this event occurred.
Starting point is 01:04:15 and a few, I'd say, I'd have to use my Texas geography here, I'd say 100 miles away. So they're about 100 miles away, maybe less. It's three-hour drive, but it's not a straight drive. Three hours away drive, 48 hours before. I think people asking these questions, it's legitimate. It's legitimate to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, could this have contributed? I think you have to then pursue the evidence and the answers
Starting point is 01:04:39 and don't just go, oh, he's a murderer like some. But to act like the conversation. And by the way, the Trump administration has covered itself in glory by every estimation when it comes to this. Like, what are you referring to? The National Weather Service did its job. The National Weather Service gave all the recommendations and warnings that you could come up with. There's two things on that. It looks like Kerr County did not invest in sirens along the river where other counties had. That's a question, not just for county officials. That's a question for local voters. Do you want to spend money on this? And every one of you, living wherever you do, that's what your city and county officials.
Starting point is 01:05:13 do. What can we afford and what will we do? You can look back on it and go, you should have, but that's where something could have been done better. I think that's one. Two, I do think NOAA radios, after this, I'm like, if you are in charge of a lot of people, do you have a NOAA radio, weather radio? Because it breaks through, it runs on, like, a huge, it takes very little power, and you can't shut it off. And so it's screaming at 1 a.m., a NOAA radio. I mean, honestly, did Camp Mystic have a NOAA radio? I'd like to know that. And the third, us, all of us. How many times a day do you get warnings on your phone for whatever it is,
Starting point is 01:05:54 Amber alerts, this, that, do you listen to them all and abide? We have a lot of callousness and scar tissue, all of us from getting these things. And so I think those are the places I would look for accountability. But I think these questions are totally legit. And I will say this, even though I've took on the criticism today, I will say the majority comments were like Vicki Cannons. Fantastic show and very educational. Hopefully people will calm down and use critical thinking
Starting point is 01:06:19 and stop blaming cloud seating for a massive tropical storm and flash floods. Where can we get a link to the interview with Rainmaker today so we can share it with other social media? A lot of compliments, educating exactly people on what this is. And starting to answer the question, did it contribute to anything we saw in Texas? Okay, let's take a
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Starting point is 01:07:39 And as you can see, we'll bring you into the show if you leave a comment. Mike Gunzelman, Guns, is a writer at Outkick. He's also the host of The Guns show, and he joins us now. What's up, Guns? What's going on? Listen, Will, I got to say this, man. I was also tweeting with Augustus, who we were just talking about. I had been tweeting him in the last couple days,
Starting point is 01:07:58 and you have been one of the only people that has really been able to not take the leap, but at least bring him on because I think, you know, you have to at least have these discussions and conversations. Now, do I agree with everything that he has said? No, but at least I give him props for at least. defending and coming out and explaining himself I think a ton of CEOs could learn so much from him at least being transparent you know what I mean so just a really job well done right there you know what we'll learn more do I think it had a direct effect of course not but of course
Starting point is 01:08:27 social media is a cesspool it's a minefield these days a lot of things you don't even know what's happening but I do give him props I think he's been very kind of transparent and open unfortunate circumstance I do have plenty of questions so separately besides this incident but wanted to give you props man i saw it yesterday on your show and then i had been tweeting him as well oh i appreciate that guns um i'm curious he may have responded to you he seems to be responding to a lot of people on that yeah we were going back and forth yeah but before oh i'm curious what your questions are or what you disagree with just we don't have to we don't have to belabor it but i am yeah yeah yeah no worries at all and i just wanted to give uh my biggest thing is okay so he he he's
Starting point is 01:09:05 one company that has come out and said and it explained himself but there's like at least seven other ones that are all across Texas. And those are the ones that we know about. And so he's coming out, but what about the other ones? Now, he might have been the only one specifically in that area. I don't even know that's true or not. But I just, he might be doing it right, but is everybody else doing it right? I still think that, you know, that there should be more transparency on that aspect or a little bit more questions. And, you know, you were all on the Maui situation, as you mentioned. And I remember tweeting you back and forth, because I was, I was hitting Maui and the authorities and everything.
Starting point is 01:09:44 And of course, the police chief was the same Las Vegas captain where I lost some of my friends from the Las Vegas shooting that happened. He went from Las Vegas to Maui. Like, a lot of questions there as well. So I just want to say, man, like you're one of the few that are taking on some issues. Even if everyone doesn't agree with you, at least you put it out there.
Starting point is 01:10:01 But cloud seating is not going to go away. Weather modification. Real quick, on the cloud seating thing, I'm not classy on the Maui thing. Like, look, I'm obviously, I'm not from there. but I know that community, and I watched that stuff spread, and it spreads locally. And I'm not talking about the police chief, but, you know, and in some ways, guns, I feel responsible because in the wake of these things in the first couple of days as well, you just don't have
Starting point is 01:10:26 a good grasp on every piece of information. So here's a story on Maui, just really quick, there's 100 missing kids, right? Okay, so, oh, there's 100 missing kids, holy crap. Well, and you can see why that might be. There was a story that they went to school that day, or they stayed home from school, and the parents went to work, so were they in the city, and did they get lost in the fire? And as time goes on, and you start to track people down
Starting point is 01:10:47 who all ran from the fire, you start to find the kids. They don't re-enroll in the school system, so people are like, oh, they're lost forever. No, because they're going to school here, there, and they're not scattered everywhere. That's one. I never indulged the direct energy weapon stuff. I mean, I did indulge it in that I addressed it on this show.
Starting point is 01:11:06 And like, same kind of, zero evidence of anything like that. Blue paint on your roof saved you. Blue cars didn't burn. Nonsense. I was in the city. I saw every color of car burn and every color of car not burn. You know, so I just think for some reason we do this. And some of it is understandable because these things are so horrific.
Starting point is 01:11:27 There was a famous line by guy that I don't think likes me much anymore, but Jonah Goldberg said this after school shootings. He's like, I get the instinct to blame guns or blame anything because when something is so awful you reach for the handrail of sanity. And the handrail of sanity is to blame so you can correct. Find a bad guy, punish the bad guy, find the failure, and then you can make sure it doesn't happen again. And the sad truth is, awful, awful things happen. And they most often happen either,
Starting point is 01:11:56 and I think in this Texas case, primarily because nature is heartless and nature is powerful. And it doesn't, we're nothing in the face of nature. And the second is incompetence. There will be incompetence at times when you find these things off, way more often then you find nefariousness. And by the way, real quick on cloud seating,
Starting point is 01:12:13 I will say it's regulated, you know, Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation. So I don't know what everybody's doing, to your point. I don't know how many companies are operating, but they should be operating under regulation. And Augustus wants regulation. Yeah. No, and I think, like I said,
Starting point is 01:12:29 I think that him speaking out is a lot of other CEOs, because normally they just go hiding. You know what I mean? And like, I think in this day and age with social media where people can turn on you in a second and you can ruin reputations and brands and companies. And then all of a sudden, you're trying to, you're trying to disprove something that might already be a negative.
Starting point is 01:12:46 It's like, how do you unprove that? You know what I mean? So I did, I reached out to him as soon as I saw his initial tweet where he explained factually what happened, the times and the statements and the receipts, essentially. I was like, listen, man, like, this is truly interesting. And like, I appreciate you doing that. I think a lot of people could do that as well.
Starting point is 01:13:04 And you're exactly right. Like, social media, like I said, man, it's a, it's, It's a great thing, but it's also been hugely detrimental for sure. When I brought up Maui, I didn't mean it like that. I just meant from Las Vegas had so many questions and incompetence in the response that that guy got another job. Still does. Yeah, which is crazy to me.
Starting point is 01:13:24 I has nothing about like the conspiracy or anything like that. I mean, come on now. Like, whatever. But like, the fact that he is a job. No, I think there's conspiracy to talk about. Yeah. That'll be the after show. I'm not a.
Starting point is 01:13:38 right of conspiracy. I think conspiracy theorists are in a hot run and you shouldn't dismiss things as conspiracy out of hand. Always question. But if facts are in front of you, you have to be willing to accept facts and information if it's presented to you. And I think you need to always have an open mind. But also if you're disproven, you've got to be able to be willing to accept that. And that way you actually get more legitimacy when you're tweeting some things. Not you, but, you know, people out there. Okay. Before we talk about coffee, I told the guys I wanted to play this for you. I meant to talk about this yesterday,
Starting point is 01:14:11 but I'm glad now I get to play it with you. This was fascinating. Two days, I can't remember the name of the podcast, like street takes maybe, or subway takes, subway takes. Subway takes. It's a podcast. It's like New York oriented. And apparently,
Starting point is 01:14:25 it would have been, what, like a year ago or last fall, they recorded an interview with Kamla Harris, and they didn't use it. Listen to this. They emailed me. They emailed. They emailed from the DNC. Okay.
Starting point is 01:14:37 And they said, hey, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are really interested in being on your show. I said, that sounds cool. I'll at least get to tell my daughter that I'm at the potential president of the United States. And so I said yes based on the fact that it would be a good story. And also, they both had good takes. What happened with Kamala? Her take was really confusing and weird and not good. And so mutually agreed that we shouldn't publish it.
Starting point is 01:15:05 I see. And I got lucky because I. I didn't want to be blamed for her losing. I mean, it was so bad. They mutually agree. And Bobby Guns, I'm now down to know what was the question and what was the answer that was so bad? So I actually was able to do some research.
Starting point is 01:15:26 I found some of the things because he came out and just recently giving some of the examples. But I do love that clip that you just played because he goes, yeah, her speech was really weird. Yeah, I'm not saying, but she might have been drunk. I'm not saying, but I'm saying. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, she does, you know, tent to take the bottle from time to time as we saw.
Starting point is 01:15:46 Maybe she's just living it up. Or she's just truly incompetent, which is probably the better answer. But there were two things that he did come out and say, though, Will, which is crazy to me. So obviously, you know, it's the New York City subway take. You want to be hip. You want to be cool. Like, yeah, I'm going to bring in that millennial, Gen Z voter. I'm going to go on this.
Starting point is 01:16:04 I'm going to go on caller daddy. like all right sure whatever but she so in Kamala and her team's mind to be hip her hot take was going to be that reportedly was going to be that she was going to fight for people not to be able to take off their shoes on airplanes anymore and then she didn't go with that so then she brought up something about like is baking us is baking a spice or not reportedly okay I mean that's what like you know she was trying to be funny and hip but it just came across as cringe, if that's true, what, you know, what has been told. I mean, that's being like, hey, like, is a hot dog, a sandwich. Let's debate. Like, this is why you lost. And you
Starting point is 01:16:48 fumble that. Like, you blew that. This is why you lost, all right? Not only did you bypass the whole entire primary process and just got, you know, put in there without going through the, the way it's supposed to happen. So you already pissed off a lot of your party and voted. that way because they're like we didn't even get a say on this and you held off what was happening to the president at the time i think almost purposely so that they didn't have a say because they was probably worried of who would have came in if they actually did have a regular primary you're putting Kamala she's lost she's incompetent she's so cringe and my question to you uh will kane is what is going on with these people you got elizabeth warren who's like remember she
Starting point is 01:17:31 had that hideous video she's like cracking a beer and she's like Like, I'm going to drink with all you all up there. Like, no, you're not. You're not invited to my party. That sure is hell. And then you got Kamala. I mean, this didn't even air. And for him to come out and say, I didn't want to get blamed, that just shows you how bad this had to have been.
Starting point is 01:17:52 Because if we saw anything, Kamala had, pick your number of how many awful appearances she had. So there's a reason she lost. Thank God she lost. She shouldn't have been in the running. And I hope we just don't hear from her again. I mean, nobody cares about her. She had, she, she blew it. Here's, she blew it, man.
Starting point is 01:18:13 Here's what I want to know. I can see how he said, okay, he's probably a Democrat. And he's like, okay, I don't want to tank her election. Or maybe he was just self-interested and being like, I don't want to be the guy blamed. So I get the motivation on his side. What I'm interested in is the conversation afterwards with Kamala and her team. Because it's like straight out of Veep. And like, so someone.
Starting point is 01:18:35 said like let's just kind of think this out through her team like somebody probably maybe even low level like a young person was like hey uh that was really bad did you hear that answer what you think what did you think i think it was bad what did you think i thought it was awful you tell her i'm not going to tell her you tell her and then you go tell her hey that was awful that answer maybe we should try to cut it and then she has to rationalize it she's like really really was it that bad really what did i say you think she just overthinks everything And then they get her all insecure, they get her all insecure and ready to do it. And then they have to go back to the dude and be like, hey, what do you think about cutting that out or just scrapping the whole thing?
Starting point is 01:19:14 My favorite is she went on Caller Daddy, of course, the biggest podcast. And listen, that, you know, I guess besides Rogan, obviously, but the biggest podcast, you know, for like women or whatnot. So she goes on that and she spent, you know, we don't even know where she's broke. You know what I mean? She went through all those billions of dollars for nothing. And we found out that she was like dropping money, millions left and robert and. right. They built a studio and Alex Cooper came out afterwards, to call her daddy. They like, Kamala built a studio. It's one of the most bootleg things I've ever seen in my life. There's
Starting point is 01:19:43 microphone wires everywhere. And Alex Cooper came out and she said she was just laughing at it. Like this is, this is pathetic. Like, yo, you're trying to reach a younger demo. This ain't it. This ain't it. So I mean, nothing better. Listen, could there be anything better than just seeing these people fail? I mean, I mean, I love to see it. The fact that of all the cringe moments and There's plenty of them that this one didn't even make the light of day. I find, I mean, it's almost, it's almost like I got to see the tapes. I got to see the tapes. You know there's somewhere, man.
Starting point is 01:20:14 We've got to see them because somebody's just got to link those tapes. Oh, man. I love it, though. All right, my gunsman here, guns at outkick, hanging out with us here on Will Kane Country. The Athletic has published your top 100 college football rivalries of all time. I'm going to share with you the top five and a few notables. The top five reads like this at number five, USC Notre Dame, at number four, Army Navy, at number three, Texas OU, at number two, Auburn, Alabama, and at number one, Michigan, Ohio State. Not in the top five, but notable. Miami, Florida, Florida State came in at number seven.
Starting point is 01:20:55 Yeah. Florida, Florida State came in at number nine. Texas, Texas A&M came in at number 15, and U.S. USC, UCLA came in at number 14. So first, what do you think, guns? I'm shocked that I actually agree. I actually, I think they nailed, I really do think they nailed their top 10. Top five, maybe could switch some of them around.
Starting point is 01:21:19 But when it comes to rivalries, I mean, there's no doubt that they nailed the top two. I mean, Michigan, Ohio State, and then obviously into the Iron Bowl between Alabama and Auburn. I mean, of course. I think they absolutely nailed that. I mean, Ohio State. I think they nailed the top four.
Starting point is 01:21:33 Yeah. I think the Nails know the top four. I can give you that. You and Army Navy coming in. Yeah. I mean, especially because, listen, even if all the games aren't tremendous, it's the fact that we're talking about rivalries here. I mean, I'm a Nerder Dame fan. And so I did like seeing the USC thing there.
Starting point is 01:21:48 If I see somebody, if I'm on, say, the New York City subway and I see somebody with the USC hat and they desperately need to sit down, I'm not giving up my seat to them. You know what I mean? As a Nerderdame fan, I'm not giving up my seat to somebody. Hold it right there. So you're Notre Dame guy. So you heard me say, I think they got the top four. USC Notre Dame is obviously a rivalry that I'm aware of.
Starting point is 01:22:11 But it's not one that I have ever had an emotional investment in, nor appreciated others having an emotional investment in. Because it doesn't have a natural geographic rivalry. It was never a conference rivalry. You know, it just didn't add up to the ingredients that I got used to for what defines a rivalry. I know it's a big game. And maybe that's what I always saw it as, the difference between a big game and a rivalry. But growing up, I'll tell you, I thought Miami, Florida State, that's a really big rivalry.
Starting point is 01:22:42 Not in the same conference. Actually, they ended up in the same conference, right? But I just didn't appreciate Notre Dame USC in the same way you did as a Golden Domer. Yeah, of course. Now, listen, I'm going to be fair here. You know, it should it be top, but should it be number five? I could argue it doesn't need to be top five. But I truly believe that it's a rivalry.
Starting point is 01:23:04 I mean, like, just based on what I just said right there. And the fact is that they continue to play. And, like, there's so many implications and there's been so many historic implications. Of course, Notre Dame, obviously because they're not in a conference or whatnot, like, they have a kind of a different route. But when you're talking about the Irish, like, yeah, I mean, if this was, you know, 15 years ago, I would, Florida State, I think you could do. Those Seminole's Irish games were nuts back in the day.
Starting point is 01:23:26 But I also hate Michigan as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, person as well. And I think a lot of people out there might just hate Michigan in general. I absolutely don't mind this whatsoever. I love that they did include Army Navy. You know, got to give them props for that. Maybe the only one that I think maybe could have cracked the top 10 was Georgia, Georgia, Florida. I think Georgia, Florida could have, you know, there is definitely some heat there. But once you start going into that, though, Will, you're talking about SEC. I mean, everything in the, every weekend, there's something crazy happening. So you're talking top 100. I think they actually did a really good job here. I would love to see though in like
Starting point is 01:24:03 five years from now what what it is. Obviously like the big 10 I think it's going to be start making some moves. SEC to big 10 right now. You kind of seen the the paradigm shift if you would. But I'd also like to know and look at this one. I love to talk about this in the future with you is like with the NIL deals man, are these rivalries still going to matter? When you start going up to the younger generation coming up and they're following perhaps players or perhaps they're not as invested in teams and historic legacy because players might be bouncing around almost like an NBA type thing where you know it's like oh well you know I like Shaq because he was on the magic well he's not on the magic anymore so I'm going to follow him elsewhere
Starting point is 01:24:46 is that going to start happening or will these rivalries continue to stand I think of course some of them will think that I think NIL's a big question man in the coming future I don't think NIL, I can't see that right now having a big impact on rivalry, but I will tell you super conferences threaten rivalries. So to me, the way I grew up, and I'm a big fan of the regionalization of college football, like I love, you know, interstate rivalries and, you know, the love and hate you share with a neighbor. So like when I'm just scrolling through the list, by the way, Georgia, Florida came in at number 12. But like, I'm just going to, these are rivalries that I go, oh, they're playing this weekend.
Starting point is 01:25:27 coming at number 30, Washington, Washington State. I think that's interesting. Utah, BYU, comes in at 28. Oregon, Oregon State comes in at 27. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Bedlam, comes in at 25. Clemson, South Carolina, 24. And on and on, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and so forth, Kansas, Missouri. This is what defines a great rival to me.
Starting point is 01:25:48 I think Texas, Texas A&M is too low at 15. But that's been on ice for 20 years. By the way, Nebraska, Oklahoma's been. been on ice for a while as well and it still comes in at number six so that's to me like what a big rivalry is but there's another component because I grew up when USC UCLA also meant something right Rodney Pete Troy Aikman back then it meant something that rivalry is hard to make it means something because it's so one-sided and so in a lot of these I think that's what depresses them they're just too one-sided yeah no I definitely agree with you it's uh you know I it's I mean it's it's generation
Starting point is 01:26:27 right there it's a generational difference you know what i mean so like where do you make the line but that's always going to happen with these kind of lists that's why they're great to debate and discuss um but yeah i mean the the geographic standpoint which is why a lot of the SEC ones are so fun you know or like you know you look at that bama aber and everything like that is the fact that yeah i mean it's just like duke unc in basketball i mean they're right there they're right there and like you're the once you're with me or you're against me you're one side or the other and it goes beyond the field, which is what truly makes sports what it is, my friend. You know what I mean? I'm a diehard Yankee fan, the Red Sox. Like, I could never date and got, definitely couldn't
Starting point is 01:27:08 marry a Red Sox fan in my life. Like, we would not, well, like, it wouldn't have. I would probably marry a Democrat before I could marry a Red Sox fan as a Yankee, my friend. Wow. Wow. That's a hell of a statement. You know what I mean? Didn't know what I mean there. Poor choice, guns. All right, man. This has been a fun conversation covering a lot of bases. Check out guns at outkick.com where he writes, and he's also on X.
Starting point is 01:27:35 Appreciate you being with us today here, man. Thank you. Yeah, appreciate you as well. Real quick, I just want to say this. I'm covering the UFC all weekend. We're going to have a big thing with Dana White as well. And I also have a piece coming out later. I spoke with a lot of the headliners of this weekend's a UFC fight
Starting point is 01:27:48 and specifically ask them if they want to fight at the White House. You know, because Trump was like, oh, let's have a UFC event. you want to check out what they say a lot of these fighters are down they were pitching themselves Will to Trump I was like maybe he'll see they were they are head over heels to fight for the country in front of
Starting point is 01:28:05 the you know for UFC in front of the country at the White House so keep an eye on that I think you guys will appreciate it will appreciate you being the real one man as always all right man take care you bet Mike Gunzellman over at Outkick I'm in on that by the way
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