Will Cain Country - Sunny Hostin STUNS The View With Lindsay Clancy Admission (ft. Danny Polishchuk & Tom Shillue)

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

The media isn’t done with Lindsay Clancy yet, and it just squeezed a shocking admission out of The View co-host Sunny Hostin. ‘The Boyscast’ co-host Danny Polishchuk and FOX News Contributor Tom Shillue join Will to examine the horrifying crimes of the man Hostin helped free, as well as react to a cornucopia of gaffes from Kamala Harris’s recent appearance with Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed. Plus, Will and the crew break down the recent surge in synthetic drug use among college students, and a communist lesbian bar that tore their community apart over their decision to discontinue mask mandates for just one night a week. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Out at night. Freaks come out at night. Freaks come out at night. Freaks come out on the view. You got to hear the ladies of the view. Not just about Lindsay Clancy, but letting off cannibal butchers of New York City. The most stunning admission you can possibly imagine

on national television. and maybe, just maybe, outdone by Kamala Harris. It's Wilcane Country, normally streaming live at the Will Cain Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock, Eastern Time, set, subscribe, hit reminders. But if you like listening, and you want to do it on your time, just hit follow on Spotify or on Apple. Hanging out today with me, and Two a Days Dem, is comedian and co-host of the boys cast, Danny Polshook. And Fox News is Tom Shaloo. What up, boys.

All right. Hey. Are you sure you wanted us on this show? I was looking at some of the stories today. And I was like, does he want Nancy Grace on the show? I mean, it's like a lot. What do you? What I'm kind of excited, Tom?

Yes. What do you think I'm doing today? True crime? I mean, I'm doing a little whodunit? It's a lot of true crime today. And I was, I mean, I was flabbergasted by the View story. But there's, I mean, everything here, everything we were looking at this morning, it's crime, it's mayhem, it's crazy. But listen, I have an opinion on all this.

I may not be an expert, but I have an opinion on it. Yeah, we're trying to get a more female demographic. Yeah, exactly. You know, Danny, if you can, if you can avoid insulting the entire gender today, that would be a big help. I would never do that. Women love true crime. What did I say? I believe last time you said you wanted to repeal the.

19th Amendment. I'm not positive for the 27th, whatever it is. I don't think I said that. You said something like that. I think you did. I think you said all the problems in America can be traced back to women's suffrage. That sounds like something

I would say on a part on a different show. Oh, do we have the clip? Okay. I thought I said something that women are allergic to accountability. Ah, yeah, that was it. You did. That was it. See? You remember how I stand by that. I stand by that. I don't know. That I stand by. Well, actually, then that's a perfect segue. Let's not bury the lead. Okay. This is stunning. Okay. This is Sunny Haustin on the view. Okay. She is talking about the Lindsay Clancy trial. She's talking about being a holdout juror. And then she breaks the news that she was a holdout juror once upon a time. She was a holdout juror in a very famous case as it.

it turns out in New York City. Now, I wasn't familiar with this case. Maybe you two gentlemen are. It's from 1991. And listen to Sunny Hosten described the role she played in the butcher of Washington Park or some such area of New York City. The insanity defense has been around in Massachusetts for 182 years. So I think it's well established.

And I thought absolutely that she was not criminally responsible by reason of insanity and the reason I felt that I feel so strongly about this holdout jurors because I was a holdout juror in a case in the Daniel Rackowicz case I don't know if people remember it the butcher of Tompkins Square Park it was in 19 the guy who ate the victims yes he was it was it was on that jury yes I was playing more yes I was and when I never heard this story before I went to law school and I would have never and I when I brought it up at the hot topics meeting I don't think everyone believed me and then my producer looked it up and I

I'm in the New York Times. And apparently several... So I have fellas done the view. When she says, and I brought it up in the Hot Topics meeting, let me describe the scene. You go into the studios there at ABC off campus where they record the view, and you go into the makeup room. And you sit down in your makeup chair and you start getting your TV face applied. And everybody's in there together. Now, I can give you a behind-the-scenes story that my very first time on The View, it was when Jenny McCarthy was one of the hosts.

And I walked into the makeup room and I said, Jenny, we meet again. And she gigantic saucer eyes looked at me and goes, what are you talking about? And I said, 1999, Las Vegas. I walk into the hard rock cafe and casino and decide at that point a young law school student with no money with my buddies, we're going to play some blackjack. And I look across the casino and who do I see? I see Jenny McCarthy playing blackjack. And I say to myself, I'm playing blackjack at a table with Jenny McCarthy. So I go over to the ATM machine.

I pull every dollar I can out because I had noticed in the meantime that it was a $50 million. minimum table, which in 1999 was one of the high roller tables. So I got my $50 out. I went to the table to sit next to, play at the same table at Jenny McCarthy. At some point, she's got a boyfriend with her, and he's dealt two tens, and he tries to split the two tens. And she looks at me and says, what an idiot, you can't split two tens, right? He can't split two tens. And I go, dude, you never split two tens. And that's the story I share. which in and McCarthy, our time together. Until that moment in the Hot Topics makeup chair there with during the view.

I'm going to put a pen in my story as I'm getting a text that our feed is down. So I don't know right now if I'm broadcasting. Keep going. It's my curse. My curse continues. I got a question, Will. Okay. Why do you know, tell me about this, because the split always confuses me.

I never do it because when I see people do it, I'm like, to me, that's like advanced, you know, blackjack. The split. Why don't you? What do you mean? He had two tens. Well, you have a 20 because you have a 20 and the best, the best hand you can get to 21. Yeah, yeah. So he's just being greedy.

He's like, I think I can do this twice. Yeah. Because then he would. Yeah, but he's giving up an almost, to Danny's point, he's giving up an almost guaranteed winning hand. You don't do that because there's only one hand now that can beat you. That's 21. Here's the thing. And you wouldn't give up an almost guaranteed winning hand to see what you're going to get.

You could get a two and a four. Now you're sitting on 12 and 14. I know why he did it. I know. I have a theory why he did it. He went up to Jenny McCarthy and asked her out and she said yes. And from then on, he thought he was on a streak. He could do no wrong.

I've got Jenny McCarthy. I'm getting a 10 and a little. an ace. We're going to go. Well, do you remember if he won or not? I don't remember if he won. But I know at that age, 24, 25, it was a highlight for me just getting to interact with Tina McCarthy. Fast forward some decades later, now I'm in this hot topic room at The View, and I end up finishing

that story, and Jenny saucer eyes turned to me at the very end of that story, and she looks to him and she goes, oh, good. I thought you were going to say we had sex. Oh, didn't know that was on the option of possibilities, Jenny. But the long short is that Hot Topics room is a place where everybody's hanging out. And I can't imagine in that room they're all hanging out. And here is Sonny Hosten that lays on them. Hey, I was the lone holdout juror in the trial of the butcher of Tompkins Park.

a man who killed a woman, chopped her up, boiled her, and then fed her to the homeless. And Sonny Hosten is your lone holdout juror. And the rest of ladies in the view go, huh, here goes, here she goes again, Sunny. Yeah. I'm just shocked she has stories that she,

like a story like that. You know, you think she's on TV every day that she's just exhausted every crazy story she's ever had. She really held that one back. And I'm not even sure if I believe it because I looked at, she had the documentary evidence that there was a lone juror. But eventually they all came around. So if there was one juror that held out, then you had 11 others that ended up saying

not guilty by reason of insanity on that trial. And me thinks that, you know, this is the kind of thing that people do when they shade, their memory shades them and likes to make them the hero. Was she really the holdout juror or was she one of the other 11 who came along and said not guilty? And she is now, you know, self-aggrandizing that she was the holdout. Was there even really one holdout? Or were they all, you know. Okay.

She, Tom, she gets into that. And I'm going to play for you the rest of her explanation is the role that she played in the lone holdout juror in the butcher of Tompkins Park. We're going to stop down for one more moment so we can restart our feed here on Will King Country. Welcome back. We had a 20-minute. stop down, 15 minutes, stop down. Lost our stream, lost our internet. We apologize.

Hopefully you can rejoin us. Thank you to Danny and Tom for sticking through that. Do we have the ability to play clips? Yes, indeed. Okay, we're back. Maybe that means we're back all the way. We are. Okay.

At the point at which we lost you folks, streaming live on YouTube and Facebook, I told an incredible story about the time I was with Jenny McCarthy. We're going to have to leave that hanging. You're going to have to go to the podcast. You're going to have to follow us on Spotify or Apple to get the complete story of me with Jenny McCarthy in Las Vegas and subsequently backstage at the view. But then we were talking about Sonny Hosten dropping this nugget into the makeup room chairs where they conduct their hot topic meetings that she once sat on a jury and she was the lone holdout juror for a man who caught up a woman, killed her, boiled her, and fed her to the home. homeless. Sunny announced that she was the lone holdout juror in said case from 1991. Tom Shaloo is suspect. He is suspicious that she actually was this one load hot juror because she does go on to explain now, Tom, that she was so persuasive as a pre-law student that she won over the other 11. So this may pick up where we left off or it may be from the top, but here is Sonny Hosten on the view.

Several jurors questioned afterwards said one holdout juror was principally responsible. A sanseon. Preventing them from returning a guilty verdict. That was me. And it was because I saw clearly that he was psychotic. Of course. He was in a psychosis. He did not mean to kill her.

And once he killed her, he panicked. He chopped up her body parts. Yes, boiled her body parts. Tried to commit the perfect crime. And then fed her. And you got this guy off? And no, no, no. But he fed, that's how much I believe in the insanity defense.

And he fed her body parts to the unhoused. Excuse me, can I move over? Yes, I don't need to be around. But all that being said, it was so clear to me in the jury room, and we were sequestered for nine days. One juror threw a chair at me. They were so angry with me. But one by one, I picked them off and said,

what about this, what about that? And we ended up all 12 unanimously voting that he was not criminally. voting that he was not criminally responsible by reason of insanity. But he is still in a mental institution being treated. All right. She is so proud, Tom. She's 12 angry men. She won them all over. She also managed to squeeze in there that they weren't homeless. They were unhoused. Joy Behar with a hidden line there. He wasn't insane. He was just hungry. This is a hell of a story for them, for her, to

brag about and admit on the view. It's even more suspect to me now because she said one of the jurors threw a chair at her. Does that sound plausible to you that a juror would be so angry with this holdout that he would throw a chair at her? And then at some point, change his mind and say, no, you're right, not guilty. I mean, what? It doesn't. Commit a crime. Yeah.

It doesn't make sense to me. I want to interview these other jurors and, you know, see how things went to. down. Maybe one of the jurors was like, that crazy bra wouldn't shut up and I wanted to get out of there. So I said, yeah, let the killer on the loose. Now, of course, he didn't come back out into the street. She made that point. He's in a mental institution. I, you know, okay. I mean, she said, this is why I believe so strongly in the insanity defense. Why? Who believes so strongly in the insanity defense? To me, that's such a weird thing. I don't think there should be an insanity defense. I know that there is one.

There's not much you can do about that. I don't think it should be part of the jury process. I think that the insanity determination should be like the degree of the crime. For instance, first degree murder, second degree murder, third degree murder. The prosecutor has to decide what to charge them with. And the prosecutor and the law should decide. If they decide they're going to try someone for murder, they should put them on trial for murder.

There should be no, oh, let's let the jury decide if they were crazy when they commit. To me, it's putting too much nonsense into the jury's heads. And it is a growing trend. You're seeing this, and it will only continue to grow after the trial of Lindsay Clancy. Brian Coburger's defense attorney is now claiming that he was not of sound mental capacity when he agreed to his plea deal with the prosecution. More and more, we're seeing stories of people who are having either their punishment, mitigated or getting off in some fashion because of claims of insanity.

And the insanity conversation, Danny, is an extension of the growth of the conversation in the country over mental health. And that's the pride you hear in Sonny Huston's voice. I was seeing insanity before insanity was cool. I was into mental health before mental health was cool. I was country when country wasn't cool. Barbara Mandrell. That's what's going on here, Danny. Yeah, I mean, as long as they just remove them from society, I guess, I don't know what, like, it's like being in a, like, if it's way better, maybe it's a way cushier kind of situation.

And, but as long as they're just gone, I'm kind of fine with it, but yes, you're totally right. This is going to get used so much more now post-Lindsay, literally ever, because, you know, we're fairly normal people, I think. and I think any of us would be like, yeah, you would have to be crazy to do any of this stuff. Right? So, but I, yeah, not to lean into your, your premise that women don't hold anybody accountable,

the society is not into holding people accountable. That's why this will increasingly be used, because mental health has become an escape hatch on your responsibility in America for your actions. Why would that not make its way into the courtroom? Why would that not make its way into the jury box? Why would that not be an incredible affirmative defense for any defendant? But, by the way, it's also hard to push back when the insanity is so clearly and obvious on ABC. Because now here's Sarah Haynes talking about she just can't believe Patrick Clancy moved on and divorced Lindsay Clancy.

Their grandbabies and their nieces and nephews. But he doesn't seem to be. What bothers me. is he talks about forgiving her, which I love, but he focuses on that and never jumps to what so many people struggle with. How did the marital love in so quickly? When you admit openly, your wife got sick. She got sick.

It doesn't mean you can be with them, and it doesn't mean it doesn't remind you of the worst day of your life. But I would hope, and like, in sickness and unhealthy, he said everyone was worried about her. They were tragically. Their arms were around her as she was going down the drain. I would hope that my husband wouldn't sit there and just move right along.

So like not, does it bother you that he's being married now? Listen to the language. Move right along. Worst day of your life. Sickness and in health. How did he move on? Because she killed his three kids. Yeah, seems pretty reasonable to, I mean, the fact that he has the capacity to move on is, you know, that's probably tough.

But for her to just be awestruck, like she just can't fathom that he, he doesn't. wants a divorce her? I don't know what's going on here. How about like these women, I mean, I bet they all enjoyed eat, prey, love. Wasn't that about a woman who left her husband so she could go eat pasta in Europe? I mean, you know, like they will have great sympathy for women who want to grow. They grew apart from their husband, and they felt restricted. They were in a gilded cage, and they had to move on with their life, and they, you know,

all the power to the women. This guy, I mean, when did he decide to move on? Maybe between the second and the third child's murder, it's unbelievable. They're absolutely crazy. But you know what? It is a folly of these women. They have a natural inclination to have sympathy, but obviously it gets in their way. We talk about this all the time. Cultural wide problems of suicidal empathy. well, we see it with the ladies of the view because obviously across the board, this is not just an individual case, but it's the entire society. They have sympathy and empathy for the downtrodden, but they don't care that our cities are crime-ridden. Yeah, I agree. I agree that this is not, this is, I'm not going to let Danny run off my female audience again.

This is not simply a lot of women. I love women. My wife's one. that's a problem society large in the 60 minutes interview and this was brought up in our pre-show meeting this morning

did it did it hit your radar that Patrick Clancy's new wife looks a lot like his old wife yes my I watched it with my wife and my wife was like she looks exactly like her yeah well he has a type like Lindsay Clancy

yeah maybe she's okay hopefully that's limited hopefully that's limited hopefully that's limited to it's not too specific of a type yeah he just has by the way they say in the 60 minutes piece that they're going to have a family and I got to tell you

talk about now here is my sympathy I don't know how he moves on and has a family and goes about that with any level of trust it has nothing to do with women at large or the new wife but you have got to be so scarred that I would be shell shocked I had PTSD

leaving my kids alone with yeah my wife. I mean, you got to be the unluckiest guy in the world if this happens twice. Yeah. So, I mean, all the power to him, if he's going to move on, the thing is, I really don't think he's, from what I've seen of him, and when you look at him in the interview, he doesn't seem to have come to grips with this entire thing. He keeps talking about forgiveness and all this other stuff. He has fallen for the brain rot that all of the Lindsay Clancy supporters seem to suffer from.

and, you know, this guy's got to get his head on straight because he shouldn't be. The first thing you do when your children are murdered is not to rush to your wife's side and forgive her. That's not healthy. Well, the unluckiest guy for this to strike twice, I don't think you were a guest the last time we explored this, Danny, but this ties together Patrick Clancy for giving Lindsay, to your point, Tom, and being the unluckiest guy for this happening twice. In the 1960s, a woman named Constance Fisher murdered her three children. She was found, not guilty by reason of insanity, put into an insane asylum.

The husband forgave her, stood by her. She got out. I can't remember of her entire time in the mental hospital was five or eight years, but somewhere in the range of five to eight years. He took her back. They got back together. They had three more children. Then, in the late 1960s, she did it again. She killed the real.

No. Real story. Constance Fisher. That sounds right up. That's crazy. That's insane. It is unbelievable. And, you know, obviously, this is why the problem I have, I will trade you.

I will trade you the insanity defense. If the prison for the mentally ill looks like Papillon, you know, in French Guyana, or, you know, the mental institution in Amadeus, you know, with her, in cages, the man in the iron mask. Literally, the problem with the mental health angle on this is that then a panel of doctors can say you're cured and then you're out. Isn't David Chapman going to have a podcast? He's going to be competing with Will Cain Country?

No, Hinkley, I think. Hinkley, that's what I mean. I mix those guys up. Yeah, Hinkley. He's been a lot. He's been a podcast? Yeah, he's looking for guests. He's starting a pod.

I tried to get him on my call-in show, actually. I always tried to buy one of these cat paintings. That's right. I'd love to book John Hinkley. You can get that matter. To your point. The John Hinkley spotway. I would love a little bit of investigative journalism in booking to get at least one of the 11 jurors who sat on that trial with Sonny Hustin.

I want to see if a chair was thrown. And if she had 12 angry men, 11 other jurors, please get on the investigative journalist. Book those jurors from 1990. But not to be outdone, she's back. Kamala Harris is back. And she's just as good as she used to be. She's still running out her greatest hits. So got it. Here's Kamala Harris. She's still got it stumping for Abdul El-Sayed talking about DEI. Here's another fact. The attack on DEI is an attack on maternal care. An attack on DEI to recognize diversity, equity, and inclusion is an attack by definition on maternal care,

including the need to protect black women in connection with their pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum care. Oh? Incredible. Yeah, I don't, I don't, does anyone, can someone decode that for me? I can't decode that for me? that, but it somehow serves as a perfect segue from Lindsay Clancy into Kamala Harris. It's like she uses like a liberal buzzword generator to just jumble all these things together. I actually don't know what she was saying.

Even Al Saeed was like, huh? Yeah, he kept quiet on that one. Yeah. He was like, wow. Talk about French. He knows the missteps that the Democrats made the last time. So he's probably like, hey, we don't we don't need to do this. right now. I don't think we... This is like

the old playbook. We're kind of updating it. Well, different than other Democrats who are walking away from Kamala Harris. He invited Kamala Harris to come campaign with him. Then she went to the NAACP and she did to your point, she still got it. She broke out one of her accents. Which are? Bring a folding chair, otherwise

you might be on the menu. I'm conflating two people's saying. It's okay. She's incredible. It's okay to not be in love with a candidate. There's no way they run her out. There's no way they run her out in 2028. No, they don't want her.

But, because I've seen the donors came out, one of these major, who's the guy that was from LinkedIn, Reid. Hoffman. Yeah, Reid Hoffman came out and he was kind of throwing a little shade on Kamala, right? the donors don't want her in I don't think the mainstream

Democrats want her in but here's the thing they have a you know if she wants it I think she can get it they didn't want Biden but Biden handily won the nomination for his re-election and then they finally had to kick him out

when it became so obvious when you're in a position of power she was in the White House she is the standard bearer she still if you take the polls because of her name recognition So if she puts the team together, she could do it again, even though they don't want her. That's the way it works, especially with the Democrats.

Let's take a quick break, but continue this with comedians Danny Polishick and Tom Shaloo when we come back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're hanging out with the co-host of the boys' cast Danny Polishick and comedian Tom Shaloo. She would lose. There's a primary. She would lose the race for the presidency in a year where Democrats have no reason. to wave the white flag. They have a chance to win the presidency in 2028. I take the rise of socialism very seriously. I think that socialism as a message is going to gain purchase. And as we've

talked about over the last couple of days, I think it's going to gain purchase not just on the left, but I think it's going to gain purchase on the right. I think the idea of extreme populism, free stuff and buying votes is going to be political currency that makes its way to a win for the left or the right. But Tom, it's going to require at least a bit of political talent. I think Abdul al-Sayed has more political talent. I think Zora Mamdani has more political talent. I think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has more political talent. They can't run out D-List Kamala Harris.

Yeah, I agree she's in trouble. The reason I think she could get the nomination is that it's the way Democrats do think. It's about the power. It's about the political players. And it's a lot about, you know, black power, you know, black powerful politicians in South Carolina. She's got to go down there. She's got to get a couple of black politicians to endorse her.

She wins South Carolina. She gets Iowa. And then she moves on and she wins the nomination. That's the way they do it. That's the way Biden did it. And so she could do it. The question is, do they, you know, would that be the wise choice? Yeah, I don't think so.

I don't think that's true. They should run back this time. Don't the donors have a lot of saying this stuff? Isn't that how the whole, how she got in in the first place is the donors just kicked Biden out last time? You know, they always think, the donors always think they have the power. But in the end, it is, it's old-fashioned politics. you know, who was the power broker in South Carolina that did, he came out for Biden, Harris. And I can't even remember his name.

But the way it's done, in the end, all the ads in the world aren't going to buy you a victory. It's the old, you know, political games that win. Yeah. Especially with the Democrats. Harris is so bad on social. Like, it's all, it feels like now a lot of it, you know, especially the new kind of DSA wing. So much of it is how savvy you are with social media. She's just, she's like Biden.

She's just a gaff machine. Yeah. Like it's constant. She has no talent. I can't see. No, not for what is needed at the moment in terms of, you know, as the kids say, aura and Riz, which mom, Donnie has. Clyburn's the guy I was thinking of, Jim Clyburn.

Jim Clyburn is the power broker that got behind Biden, Biden Harris. I think political talent is defined by, I think it's about four different. skills. One, can you speak from a stage? Two, can you speak on television? Three, can you master social media? And four, can you do retail politics, handshaking, kissing babies, one-on-one communication. You can see various levels of talent in politicians that master one, two, three, and in rare cases, all four of those skills. Donald Trump has all four of those skills. Not everyone does. Not everyone's good on television, in turn, is good from a stage. And I'll give you as an example, Governor Ron DeSantis, not good at retail politics, not good at one-on-one, not good at shaking

hands, not good at being interpersonal. And, you know, the vice president is showing increasing ability in all four of those. He gave a really compelling speech at the midterm Republican Convention in Dallas. He's good on television. He's good one-on-one. I've met him. He has he has charisma and he's pretty good at social media. So right now you would say for Kamala Harris, she's 0 for four. She has none of those skills. Not a stage, not an interview, not social media, not one-on-one. Yeah, I don't, can they not just make her go away?

I don't, you know, you seem like it seems like the Democratic Party is they're just like, whoever is our best candidate is who we want to put forth. Can they not just sit her down and be like, hey, it's just not you? I mean, it's easy win for GOP if she's. runs. Oh my God. Slim dunk. Yeah. It seems that way. But the thing is, they don't.

The politicians have learned, you never step aside. You know what I mean? You go for it and that's what she may decide to do. They don't want to step aside. They want to go

for it and then they see where the chips lay. A lot of people want to Trump to step aside. They said, It's all over Trump. Trump came back. He knew you got to push, you got to push, and then he got in there. And what happened? It was like bigger than ever, his second time.

Yeah. I live in a bubble. I live in a bubble, guys. And the bubble that I have, I now live in, and I've entered it in the past month, is the bubble of having a kid in college. And it's odd now how my news consumption has changed. My algorithm has changed on my social media. And the grapevine, the pervert. grapevine that I'm in has changed. I want to tell you how my day unfolded yesterday with a story that I find absolutely fascinating and sad. So here's the headline, as it turns out. Two Ole Miss students found dead in separate incidents with Kratum found at both scenes. Yesterday, midday, I got a call from a friend who has a son at Ole Miss. He said, have you heard about what's going on in Ole Miss? I said, no. And he said, well, the story is there's something like five to eight kids who OD'd over the weekend. I said, oh my God, that's terrible.

Yes, that's a massive story. In the meantime, I started researching it. We reached out to O'Miss. We reached out to the Oxford Police Department. We got the statement from the Oxford Police Department that two kids had died and this note that they had been found in the vicinity of packaged cratum. More on that in just a moment, cratim. But in the meantime, not just the call from an original friend, but I started getting texts and I started talking to people about, this message that went out purportedly from the IFC, interfaternal counsel for fraternities at

Old Miss, wherein they said five to seven kids had died. It was from cyclophoreen, which is an incredibly dangerous drug, not unlike fentanyl, but even more powerful than fentanyl. And it was coming out of a Louisiana drug trafficking ring that had made its way to Oxford for the Ole Miss LSU game. And I am telling you guys, I got that sent to me half a dozen times yesterday. from disconnected sources. I'm talking about parents. Parents, ultimately, that didn't end up even having a kid at Old Miss. In some cases, parents that didn't have college kids.

It's wildfire. It's out there everywhere. Now, as far as I can tell, it's not true. There's two sad, really sad. Two kids died. We don't yet know how. Cyclophorine, Kratum, whatever. But this story is interesting to me on multiple levels.

First, as a father, I mean, I've given this speech so many times, and I just hope, I gave it again yesterday, dude, please don't take anything. Just don't take anything. Whatever it is. Not Kratum, not a pill, not a vape, because you don't know what's in a vape. Don't do any of that stuff. Please, please. When we grew up, it was please don't drink and drive.

This is what it is today, right? They don't drink and drive the kids anymore because they have Uber. But now this is the big fear. And they rarely, well, yeah, that's what they say on the. the macro scale. The cyclophoring. On the micro scales from my first hand. I was going to say it's a different than what the media headlines are.

Well, my small sample size, yes. But I do see the macrostats that the kids aren't drinking. What were you going to say, Danny? The cyclophorine, I heard something where I guess they're just, they constantly come out with these new synthetic opioids, but apparently you can't even, like a fentanyl test strip, it doesn't even show up. And it's way more powerful than fentanyl.

Yes. scary. Yes. Now, then there's Kratum, which the cops are saying. And I don't know if everybody knows what Kratom is, but Kratom is legal mostly across the country. Some states, I think, that have cracked down on Kratom. And it's a natural thing. It's a plant that has been reduced and, by the way, souped up in a lot of places, situations. It's found, you can take Kratum as a pill, usually like a powdered

gelatin pill type form. You can take Kratum in a liquid format. It's sold at gas stations. The brand The most famous brand is feel free. A lot of people have had it. It was originally marketed as an energy drink. Yeah. And there's a 708, which is, I don't know if you know about that. It's like a concentrated, yeah, it's like a concentrated, yeah, it's like a concentrated

grade. It's basically heroin and you can buy a gas station. And it's super addictive. Like it is as addictive. I went to a vape shop. I'd heard about 70H, super intrigued by it. The whole drug world's moving into the synthetic. synthetic version of drugs.

So they can figure out what the active ingredient in Kratom is, right? And they figured out it's this, I can't remember the scientific name of what 70H is. But then they reproduce it synthetically and then increase its potency a thousandfold. Right. And so in Texas, if you go to a vape shop, you know what the brand name is? Opia. And the lady behind the counter told me, this is like heroin. You can take it and you get the same effect as heroin and it's sold legally at.

a vape shop. Now, I'm saying this, I don't know if this is how these two kids died. I don't know. But that same grapevine I'm telling you about, I'm now hearing stories of people saying, I know this person that died, this person that died from Kratum. This story has so many angles from what's real and what's fake in the story and the desire and appetite for fake hysteria, but also the scary real part of what might have killed these kids. We don't know. There's a lot now that apparently can. kill you. And you can just buy it anywhere.

I didn't know about Kratum. I see it on the signs. You know, whenever I drive around the country, you see Kratum, CBD, Kratum, CBD, at all of these shops everywhere, right? Kratum, vape, CBD. And so, yeah, this stuff is legal most

places, right? Kratom, this was interesting from this article. Kratum, an herbal substance that acts as a stimulant in small doses and an opioid-like sedative in higher doses. What the heck is that? That's crazy.

Yeah. So it's no wonder. People, people use it to basically get off of opioid addictions. And Kratum, I don't think maybe there's a dose that's lethal. I don't know specifically, but the 70H is really bad because it's a concentrate and you can buy it anywhere. Well, correct. Until this story, I had never heard or had it implied that.

that Kratom is lethal. But now, I don't know that it is. I'm hearing, again, and I'm not sure this information is accurate, but I find it odd that the cops included that in their statement, but I'm starting to hear in the grapevine, be careful with Kratom. Yeah. Well, to what you were saying, Will, you know, you've told them, you caution kids, right? Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't. What I like to think of is that a lot of times when someone dies of an overdose, immediately people say, oh, the demons, oh, they had demons, oh, they struggled with addiction, you know, whatever. There's a lot of young people who don't have demons. They don't struggle with addiction.

So they think, oh, well, the people who die are the ones who are struggling with addiction. But I know people who've died. And when they say, you know, for instance, Greg Giroldo, great comedian, he died of an overdose, okay? and people would say, I didn't know he was struggling so much. And I said, he wasn't. He was trying to take a nap. Like, comedians, they can't sleep. So, you know, this guy was, he would turn to drugs.

But why did he turn to drugs the day he was doing a show? Because he wanted to take a nap in his hotel room. That same thing happened with Heath Ledger. Like Heath Ledger wasn't saying, oh, goodbye, cruel world. He, you know, people self-medicate and they think they can handle it, but then one day they take something and they didn't realize it. They took too much. They lay down.

They take a nap. Their heart stops. So I always like to remind people that it's not just the people who have demons who die of this. Yes. Yes. And it's the combination of drugs, too. It's so well put it. Let's take a quick break.

But continue this with comedians, Danny Polishick and Tom Shaloo when we come back on Will King Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're hanging out with the co-host of the boys cast, Danny Polishik and comedian Tom Shaloo. That happens a lot, too. Well, that so that takes me, Dan, to the story of, of Cindy Crawford's son, what's his name, Presley Gerber, and then the story of Hayden Panetaria as well. I guess the toxicology has come back on Hayden Panetaria, and she had a huge cocktail of things that she were saying. Yes, fentanyl was in there, but so were a ton of other things as well.

And with Gerber, Cindy Crawford's son, the drug that they're mentioning is ketamine. And I wanted to talk about that with you guys as well for a minute, because ketamine is, is such an interesting drug, the path it is traveled. When I was a kid, ketamine was super stigmatized and scary. It was called Special K. And you heard stories of guys that would break into the veterinarians clinic to steal ketamine because that's where you had it. It was an animal sedative.

Then ketamine, more recently, has become used as a therapeutic. Like, as far as I know, one of you guys could be taking it. That's how common ketamine has become for me to hear. I have friends. I know that use ketamine as a therapeutic. Like, in the same way, we've talked about a lot of psychedelics. I know people who do it. Yeah.

And you go to these boutique, kind of like, it's almost like a spa in New York. And you pay and they administer it to you. It's totally legal. Right. And they're using it for depression and, and I think, bipolar and a couple of other things. on the mental health spectrum. But I'm telling you now that I have a college kid, I'm also hearing ketamines back not just as a therapeutic,

but as a recreational drug. Big time. Very popular as a recreational drug. I'm a concert goer, especially like, you know, some like jam bands. It is, it's crazy. And like EDM and stuff, it's huge. I remember like what was similar to you, when I was in high school, college,

it was so rare to ever hear anybody even having it take. making it. You never really heard about it. Now it's like kind of everywhere. It's it's quite the resurgence. Sounds. And you're seeing it in the toxicology of some of these people like Presley Gerber. Yeah. Well, obviously it's I would never take ketamine because it just sounds horrible, you know, right? But I've seen Elon Musk tweet about it. He says microdosing is very valuable. I've heard some guys. I heard a guy, an ex-military guy, can't remember which which guy was, very high achieving individual, said that ketamine was huge for him in dealing with PTSD, right?

A lot of people have used it that way. But it's the micro-dosing. So obviously, you know, you can't kind of just freelance this. You know, it's like with ketamine, if it's microdosing, you better keep it that way. But, you know, find out what you're doing. Don't go on your own. You're not snorting it and going to see fish.

Yeah. you know. They are. I know. I know, but like, there's a huge difference between the two. Yeah,

yeah, like I saw, I was, I was in Vegas in April seeing fish at the sphere and it's, it's everywhere.

It's everywhere. I don't take it. Along with other things, they'll take shrooms with it and then do both at the same time. Oh, oh man, it's,

yeah, it's huge now. And I guess because it's synthetic. So, you know, it's versus these drugs where you have to grow them. And now people are like, oh, I just make this in the lab. Right. It's just much easier when we're possible.

This synthetic, this synthetic drug world is what is so scary because to bring this full circle, you can buy it at the gas station, buy it at the vape shop. It's super concentrated. And who knows where it's being made. It's, and who knows what the effect is going to be on you. And the DEA is so slow to react to this stuff. Right. So slow.

Like these new ones get made, like, you know, like this cyclophorian. If someone is in a lab constantly trying to figure out what's a stronger opioid that we can figure out. And the DEA is so far behind that these things are probably around for years. Like, you know, 70H has been around for years. And they're only now having the discussion of like, oh, maybe we should make this illegal. Right. All right. And then this.

This is everyone's favorite story of the day. This is, as it reads in the New York Post, Massachusetts lesbian bar nearly bullied out of town after lifting mask mandate for one night a week. My favorite analogy I saw in the comment section was, was hold on, hold on. They're still wearing masks seven days a week, somewhere in Massachusetts.

This is like finding a Japanese soldier on a secluded island in the Pacific who didn't really, realized that World War II was over years after 1945. Why are they wearing a mask? I mean, there's probably a lot of reasons. There's certainly like a social signaling element of it, it seems like. But these are just, these people are just been cooked from, you know, people got cooked

from COVID, I think. And this is just, uh, I think these people were cooked before that, though. It just exacerbated. They were cooked before that. And then COVID just kind of took them. left them in the oven a little too long. And this was one night a week, by the way. This wasn't, like, I don't know how much you looked into this story,

but it's basically like this communist kind of bar where, you know, there's no profits, nobody gets paid. There's like no ownership. So they're like in the whole. If you read the article, one of two of, there was three founding members. Two of them left because they're like, I didn't sign up for this. This is stupid. We're losing so much money.

One of them left to go to clown college. One of them is currently in clown college Yeah Tom it's an open bar To the point of this What I mean by that is Not just that the drinks are free It's open to the unhoused

In the words of Sonny Hosten Anyone can come in and hang out And have a good time Provided you wear a mask It's unbelievable It's so they're bringing in homeless people They're not worried about Hep C on the on the drinky straw

but they have their masks. First of all, I, too, thought this was an old story, because this is what happens, you know, in our business, you go around collecting stories, and then you get pulled in by an old story, say, oh, I didn't realize the date on this. I thought it was an old story. It's not.

It's still happening. I also thought Taylor Lawrence was, you know, remember her, Taylor Lawrence, she still wears a mask. She tweets about masks, and, you know, she actually had recently tweeted that the masks should have straw holes in them so that you can drink while,

you're on the flight, you know, whatever. And people think she might be a joke, but it's not a joke. And I think, Danny, you're right. They were destroyed by COVID. This is why, because somebody tweeted this out. I forget who it was. It was like a right-wing, you know, pundit type of guy. And they tweeted out this article, and they said, and just, you know, just to show you,

this might have been justified when COVID was raging. But now that COVID, the thing is, it was never justified. The reason, you know, right, you know, Requiring everyone to wear a mask was just as dumb during the height of COVID as it is now. Because you can see what it does to people. The requiring of the mask during COVID was the panic. And the panic never goes away. So we see that.

They're like hoarders. You're probably seen that show hoarders where the people have OCD. They hoard things, but they live in filth. It doesn't make sense, but they have a psychological problem. And these people, they will remain sick and paranoid. They used to call them hypochondriacs. You never heard their word anymore. They're hypochondriacs.

They have a mental disease. Yeah. And that's only backed up by the detail that Danny talked about. So they're still going to require a mask six nights of the week. But Saturdays, what they would like to do is make the mask optional. They published their house rules. And this is the one that got everyone's attention. This one shows that they're into no racism, misogyny, transphobia, ableism, and so forth.

Consent is mandatory, as in yes or hell yes, in order to be touched. Nobody will be barred from entry due to a lack of funds. Poor and unhoused people are welcome in this space. But buried in these House rules was the new one that got all of the attention, which was, on Saturday nights, we're going to do a theme party. Everybody can dress up. it's optional on whether or not you wear your mask. To that, their patronage totally mutinied. They said, what are you talking about? How callous of you. You are hurting the immunocompromised. You're

basically killing people. And then, of course, because this is how it is now, the threats ensued. It was stuff like I hope you get firebombed. I hope you die to these communist owners who dared to say, just on Saturdays. Masses would be option. There is a really funny element to this, which is that all these anti-capitalist types want to participate in capitalism. So they have to kind of, like,

they want to be like, I want an anti-capitalist bar essentially, right? Or club. But then they realize you're like, oh, well, how do I pay for this? This is, like, you know, I'm going, like the one woman who's still running, it is basically like, yeah, my credit score is destroyed, we're 50 grand in the hole. So they have to

somehow start participating in capitalism, be like, how do we get more business? And they're like, okay, what about one night a week? But then because everybody's so crazy, they have these mutinies, and it just hurts them even more. Like, it's just you can't start off being like, oh, this is an anti-capitalist business. And then you'll never, you'll never satisfy everybody. It's just impossible. It does show you, though, that when you own a business, it really does not ever hurt you to micro-target your audience because they still have customers. Think of this. This is all people who drink, right? This is just women who drink. This is just lesbians. And this is just lesbians who still wear masks. And yet they have customers.

Yes. Well, is it fine? I disagree because I look at it and I go, what do you got to lose? My all reports you're losing hand over fist money and you've had a quote unquote

mutiny from your micro-targeted audience. Maybe that micro-target audience wasn't panning out for you. Oh my God, what are you going to do? Stop coming? Are you going to make me stop losing money? Maybe you could pivot to opening it up to mask optional and see,

Who knows? Maybe. This is kind of weird, but maybe we turn a profit? No, don't turn a profit. Well, this is what's the downside? Yeah, this is a blessing in disguise. So, you know. Yeah, but this is actually a blessing in disguise because they get to finally walk away from this just money pit. Right. They say like, you know what? It didn't work out. Sorry, everybody. And they can just finally walk away. Oh. I think there could be some incredible journalism. I nominate Tom Schlute. I think at the, at the, at the, at the end, end of this herky jerky, technically disabled episode of Wheel Cane Country, we have an assignment. Three assignments for you, Tom. And I think these are in a sane world Emmy Award winning assignments. Number one, find a juror that sat with Sonny Hosten on that jury.

Do that. Number two, go to this lesbian bar in Massachusetts and do a field piece. Take us inside this incredible establishment. Oh, yeah. They'll love Fox News showing up. Yeah. You'll get a lot of participation. You know what? I was thinking, like, if, because it's mask, if I had, say I had my reading glasses on and I had a mask.

Pass as a lesbian. I could have. You kind of like I love you right now. Yeah. Yes. A hundred percent. You're the man for the job. And third.

Go get some 70H and tell us how it goes. John, you're up there. We need some in-depth reporting on what's happening. It is a sad story out of Ole Miss. I don't mean to make a lie, but there is something going on, and we need to understand it. The drug world's taking a turn, and it's taken a turn for the worse at Ole Miss. This show took a turn for the better.

The longer we went and the better we covered our topics today. Love to having Danny Polish. Check him out at the Boyscast, and always love having Tom Shaloo hang out with today. Guys, thanks for fighting through as well as you at home. The technical difficulties, we appreciate having you here today on Will King Country. Thank you. Thanks. Pleasure.

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