Will Cain Country - The Government’s Back… And So Is the Democrat Circus (ft. Sen. John Kennedy & Rob Bluey)

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Story 1: The government is finally reopened, and the left is not happy, with many calling on Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to step down. Will reacts to the Democrats' outrage after the government reopened and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s response when asked whether Schumer should retire.Story 2: Senator John Kennedy (R-LA) helps Will unpack the reopening of the government, before discussing where he stands on the filibuster, what Republicans can do about affordability and healthcare, and President Donald Trump’s comments on H-1B visas.Story 3: President and Executive Editor at ‘The Daily Signal,’ Rob Bluey shares his take on the affordability crisis facing young people, before reacting to the recently released email exchanges between Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Michael Wolff and Maine Senatorial candidate Graham Platner's belief that Secretary Pete Hegseth and the Department of War are embracing "toxic masculinity."In ‘Final Takes,’ Will revisits a meeting he had during his ESPN days in which he was told that "black people hate him." Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠@willcainshow⁠), Instagram (⁠@willcainshow⁠), TikTok (⁠@willcainshow⁠), and Facebook (⁠@willcainnews⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Let's get to it with story number one. Open for business, the United States government back with doors open, ready after a vote yesterday at the House of Representatives to approve the Senate's proposal to reopen the government. Several Democrats walked over to Republicans voted no to reopen the government. And in the wake of that progress, Democrats are ready. to fight. They're ready for civil war. They're ready for blood. They're ready to go after Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. At a minimum, says AOC. I think what is so important for folks to understand is that this problem is bigger than one person. And it actually is

bigger than the minority leader in the Senate. You had eight Senate Democrats who coordinated this, their own votes on this. As well as you have two retiring members, many of them are up and are also up in several cycles from now with the hope that people are going to forget this moment. And I think what's important is that we understand that this is actually, this is not just a leader is a reflection of the party. And Senate Democrats have selected their leadership to represent them. And so the question, needs to be bigger than just one person. We have several Senate primaries this cycle. I know I'm being asked about New York. That is years from now. I have to remind my own constituents

because they think that this election is this year. We actually do have Senate elections this year. And my hope is that people across this country actually participate in their primary elections in selecting their leadership. Running. She is running. That's the takeaway many here in that. She is running for Senate. Yesterday, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma said she's running, in fact, for vice president, and that Chuck Schumer is going to have to deal with the mayor-elect of New York City, Zohramam Dani running against him for United States Senate. But purge, that's what AOC wants, a purge of anyone that would what? Reopen the government? That would what? Work with Republicans? That would what? Not fight Donald Trump? Congresswoman Rashida Talib

posted on X. Senator Schumer has failed to meet this moment and is out of touch with the American people. The Democratic Party needs leaders who fight and deliver for working people. Schumer should step down. Fight, fight, fight, they say. Fight Donald Trump. I guess. to keep the government closed. That's sure what it sounded like yesterday when we got the vote to reopen the United States. booze, wails, nays, as the vote comes in to reopen the United States government. There's going to be a bloodbath on the left. Of course, I mean that euphemistically. I mean that metaphorically.

I mean that there's going to be a purge. There's going to be the civil war. There's going to be a fight. Who's in charge? The socialists or the Democrats? Right now, all the momentum's with the socialists. from new york city to the newly elected mayor of seattle to future office for a o c

all the momentum all the energy all the fight sits with the socialists and we can have that fight in the united states of america now not everybody's gonna fight fair not everybody is gonna fight pretty and it's getting uglier it's getting uglier everywhere most notably on the left

and you're hearing it from the left senator john fetterman went on to see CNN and was asked about how mean and divisive everything's gotten in America. He said, yes, but it's meanest on blue sky. The right would say really rough things and names. You know, some names I won't repeat on TV. But on the left, it was like they want me to die or that we're cheering for your next stroke or that's terrible that depression, why couldn't it depression one?

Why couldn't depression have won? Why don't you have another stroke? Why don't you just die? It's what Senator John Federman hears from the left. And there are others, like celebrities that come from the left, that may still exist on the left, who aren't falling completely into line or simply made the mistake of marrying someone who works for Donald Trump. HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s wife, Cheryl Hines, actress, famous from Curb Your Enthusiasm, told that to Bill Maher. The Republicans have been very kind to me from the beginning.

Even from the beginning when Bobby was running as a Democrat, they were, they weren't mean. No. And they never have been. No. And I can't say that for the Democrats. I agree. Can't say that for the Democrats. Now that fire, now that meanness directed not just at Republicans, but those that fall

out of line, those to vote to reopen the government, those that don't adhere to the group think. Get ready for the purge on the left. We'll discuss this, plus the future of H-1B visas and whether or not elected officials should get their paycheck during a government shutdown. When we come back with Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana on Wilcane Country. Will Kane says ESPN told him black people hate him, quote from Will Kane. No, they don't. I meet them all the time. They love me.

That's coming up on Will Kane Country streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel and at the Spotify and Apple podcast pages. But joining us now is the senator from Louisiana. It is Senator John Kennedy. Good morning, Senator. Morning, Will. How are you? I'm pretty good. I seem to be better than what's going on in the elected bodies of the United States of America, at least on the lefts. I got to ask you a question. How, well, how do they know all black people hate you?

And they talk to all the black people in America. I mean, what is it? These people need to put down the crack fight, man. You see, Senator, they did a focus group. And I made the mistake of telling Sage Steel in the Sage Steel show about one of my experiences of being called into a. meeting at ESPN. And, you know, the truth is, it's a fairly, it wasn't innocuous at the time. It really did upset me, but it's, uh, it's long water under the bridge. Um, but it's material for viral content in 2025. But, um, yeah, I agree with you. Um, I've met a few. Uh, Herman's Black. He's here in the offices. I don't know. I don't know if he hates me. I'm going to do a single person focus group here in a moment.

and find out if it's 100% disapproval rating for Will Kane. Sounds like a good idea. I don't think people hate you. Senator, what? Well, thank you, Senator. What's going on? Do you sense this Civil War, if not brewing, already having been launched on the left in the Senate, in Congress, in the Commentariat? There's something about this government reopening that is completely defided, the left.

well senator schumer gambled and he lost and he's kind of walking around now looking like he looking like a guy who just lost his luggage he he did this to try to make the bolshevik wing which is in control of his party like him loving and now they're madder than ever at him The socialist wing of the party is controlled by Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez. She's probably feeling pretty toasty today on politics. She probably doesn't realize how much she hurt the American people. But I think she will either, if the Democrats gain control of the House, she'll either try to dethrone the minority leader,

Hakeem Jeffries and become speaker, she'll run against Schumer or she'll run for president. And then it'll be a gut check time for the folks in the Democratic Party. There are a lot of Democrats, one of whom I think is Senator Schumer, who understand that the loon wing of his party are a bunch of loons. But I think he's scared of it. I think his testicles are on back order from China. and I think until they come in and people stand up and say, you know, we're tired of this, of this foolishness, then they'll continue to have an internecine warfare. Do you think, let's talk about the nature of power.

Do you think that AOC has the power that she believes, that the press believes, that people believe about AOC. Now, the source of power can be multitude, but the real ultimate source of power is the people. It's the voice of the people. Senator Schumer lives and runs from the state of New York. And I have no doubt that the viewpoints of AOC are much more representative in Queens than they are, say, in Baton Rouge. But she is now, as you just pointed out, looking for much higher office and wielding much more power than simply the voice of people from Long Island City. She is now talking about representing the people of the United States of America. And she has evidence that it's not limited, right, to Queens.

We're seeing it in Seattle. We're seeing it in greater New York City. The question, though, is not only do the American people, are they ready for this? Are they ready for the power to reside with the socialists? But whether or not the Democrat Party truly is, like if she is representative of the left, we know she's representative of again. A small, I shouldn't say small, a loud, radical wing within the left, is it now about to become the left? Well, I think the Congress, and let me say, I don't, I don't, certainly don't hate the Congresswoman. I don't hate anybody, but, but I've always believed that the Congresswoman is a creation of the media.

They just love her. They love her like the devil loves sin, man. I mean, they just, and I, and I, and I, I, I, I get why. She's attractive. She's pretty articulate on television. She's bold in her statements. But I've never heard anybody describe her as a policy maven. My experience with her is, if you scratch the surface, you just get more surfaced. But it's clear that she has the following. And I don't think the loon wing of the party is the majority of the Democratic Party. Maybe I'm naive, but it's clear that the loon wing of the party is the loudest. It's clear that she leads them. It's clear that they are in the ascendancy. And it's clear that until the more rational Democrats stand up to her and them, the chaos will continue.

Now, Senator, I believe you're prepared to introduce a bill. And you've talked about it already. but having just lived through all of us a government shutdown, you see a real disconnect. And you and I've talked about it. And I know that you want to keep this fight going. You see a real disconnect between the incentives of people that deprive air traffic controllers or the military of their paycheck and the ones voting on it continue to get their paycheck. And you would like in these instances to see Congress also be deprived of their paycheck.

Yes. Look, if you want to stop shutdowns and prevent future ones, here's what you need to do. Number one, you need to provide that members of Congress can't be paid during a shutdown. Number two, you have to provide that members of Congress cannot rather have to stay within 100 miles of watching in D.C. during a shutdown. They can't go home. If you do that, the shutdowns, if you have any, will be very short. Now, I can't pass the second provision, but I think I can pass the provision saying that none of us can be paid during a shutdown.

I didn't take my salary during the shutdown. I'm not putting down anybody who did. That's not the point. The point is to stop these things in the future. And I begged the Senate Republican leadership to let me offer an amendment to the shutdown, open up the government bill, and they wouldn't do it, providing that senators can't be paid during the shutdown.

And they wouldn't let me bring it up. But I'm going to continue, and I think I'm going to have a vote in a couple of weeks. I just think there ought to be one rule for everybody, will, and I think there ought to be shared sacrifice. And it was embarrassing for me to have to walk by folks in the military and the Capitol Police, and I didn't see any air traffic controllers, but if I had, it would have been embarrassing to walk by them when I'm getting paid,

and they're not. It's just not right. It makes eminent sense, Senator. Do you think it would carry with it that big power of incentive? Do you think it would limit government shutdown? So whoever's voting for a continued government shutdown would be severely, and I don't know who we could use as a proxy or as an example, is an illustration, but whoever that might be, we could call it, Senator Schumer. Not getting that paycheck would really introduce pain and change incentive for Senator Schumer?

I do think it would help. And if you really wanted to stop future shutdowns, as I said, you would stop members of Congress being paid, but you would also say, you have to stay in Washington. You can't go home, man. You've got to stay here. That would be a real, real incentive. but I can't pass that. I mean, I just know I can't. I can't get that past the Senate. I know I couldn't get it past the House. But if we did, it would stop a lot of these shutdowns. Let me ask you two more inside baseball politics issues, which is what you should do with a senator.

It's like asking a baseball player about what he thinks of various pitches. Do you like hitting the curveball? Do you like hitting a slider? I should ask you policy things. You are a United States center. The Senate Majority Leader John Thune put into the CR. He put in the ability for senators to sue and get half a million dollars on the spying, the January 6th spying, which is. scandalous. I mean, it's absurdly scandalous that the Biden administration of DOJ was tapping

the phones of United States senators. And a lot, a lot of senators, a lot of elected officials. But Thune and it got attached to the CR that it would allow those senators to sue for half a million dollars. Mike Johnson, the House Speaker, did not like it, took it out or plans to repeal it in the coming weeks. Explain the divide to me here. Why was it important for Thune and where do stand on this? Are you with the speaker? Well, number one, to the central issue, I do believe that the senators and congresspeople whose records were turned over to Jack Smith have a cause of action against him, against the Department of Justice, and against the FBI, and especially against telephone companies that turned over those records. And I believe that their

causes of action are worth more than $500,000. Now, putting that aside, I don't know how this provision got in this bill. I'm not saying Senator Thune put it in. I just don't know. I mean, none of us knew about it. The only person I know that knows is probably, and I haven't talked to him, is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen from Oklahoma. He is the chairman of the subcommittee on the legislative branch, and this provision was put into his bill. So, I mean, it was his bill.

He had to know it was there. But whether he did it on his own, I'm not saying he did, whether somebody told him to do it. I just, I have no idea. But I have a feeling we're going to find out pretty soon. I'm not laying it as a doorstep, and I'm not blaming Senator Crithoon. I'm just telling you that I didn't know about it.

Now, I bet almost every other Republican did. But it's, and it sounds like, it sounds like then you're with the speaker, This shouldn't be part of the CR. This shouldn't be something that we do. I don't like any of these last-minute drop-in provisions. They should have offered this as an amendment. When I want to add something to a bill, particularly in the waning days before the boat,

I asked for amendments. Whoever was behind this should have asked for amendment. You should have done it in front of God and country in the American people. where they get in trouble is when they go get permission and do a backdoor deal, in my opinion, anyway. But I've seen this happen a whole bunch. It doesn't excuse it, but nobody told us it was there. All right, and I think you now have discussed this, Senator. The president's still on it.

He still wants to do away with the filibuster. And just to recap for the audience where we are on this, the filibuster requires that 60 senators vote. vote for anything outside of the reconciliation package, which gets a simple majority. Democrats have been on it for a long time. They want to get rid of the filibuster. We should point out it is not constitutional, meaning that's not to say it's unconstitutional. It's not enshrined in the constitution, the filibuster. But over time, over roughly 100 years, it has evolved into a check on majority power. And we like checks on majority power in America. That's the that's the spirit of the entire constitution, is to protect minority viewpoint.

states. That's the separation of powers. That's everything. That's what that's what the whole concept is of the constitutional republic. But again, that's not one necessarily envisioned by the founders, the filibuster. Here we are. We've had it for 100 years. And the Democrats don't like anything that checks majority power. Nothing. Nothing. They would like majority power. They'd like complete power. And the quickest way to complete power is majority power. So, so Democrats have always wanted it. Now the president wants it to get rid of the filibuster. the line from Republicans for a long time is no way. That's a check, again, on majority power.

And what will the Democrats do if they ever get it? You know, they'll pack the Supreme Court. They'll do X, Y, Z, everything on their wish list. At Puerto Rico, add D.C. Estates. That doesn't seem to deter the president. And his rationale, Senator, is they're going to do it anyway, guys. The minute that they have power, they'll do away with filibuster, so we might as well do away with it now and get the agenda through. So where are you on doing away with the filibuster? Well, you're right about the president. I mean, he called me last week, week before last. He's dug in like a tick.

He wants us to get rid of the filibuster, and he wore me out over it. I kind of like the filibuster. I didn't when I first came to the Senate. But a senator's job I have learned is not just to advance good ideas. It's to kill bad ideas. and I think back under President Biden of all of the bad ideas

that would now be in law had we not had the filibuster. Now, someday there will be a Democratic president again and maybe the president's right the first chance they get, I think he probably is right,

the first chance they get, they'll get rid of the filibuster. I'm not, I don't think that's automatic because I think there's some Democratic, they're not saying a word who like the filibuster. But maybe the president's right. But what I told him, the president, I said, look, the way to address that question is just don't let the Democrats take back control. That's just, let's hold the Senate.

I mean, and that's all, and that's what I've been using my spare time on to try to go to the battleground states. I bet he didn't like that argument. What did he say, Senator? I bet he didn't like that argument. He didn't like you're worth damn. You know the president. He is what he is. You know, does he, is he a perfect man?

No. Does he try to get better every day? Also, no. The president is the president, man. His personality is formed. I love him. But the votes aren't there. I can just tell you.

I can think of 10, maybe 15. You'd have to have a majority vote among Republicans. And I can think of 10 or 15 people that wouldn't vote for it. What I would like to do instead is do another reconciliation bill. We passed for one big, beautiful bill, without a single Democratic vote under reconciliation. We can do two more reconciliation bills to address the cost of living in America. And I have been begging, Senator Cuthon, please, let's get started. Let's get started.

I haven't convinced him yet. But I'm on chasing like he tried to steal Thanksgiving until I can convince him that we should, we shouldn't if we don't do two more reconciliation bills we will look back and think what in god's name are we thanking what why does cinder thune need convincing it sounds like of course you should pursue another reconciliation i don't know i'm not saying he's wrong i'm saying i don't he listens to me politely and uh then ignores me but i i don't give up easily and uh a lot of people started to agree with me, and we have to address the cost of living in America, the cost of housing, cost of health care, cost of going to the grocery store. You shouldn't have to sell

blood plasma in order to go to the grocery store. We can do that through a reconciliation bill without a single solitary Democratic votes. They'll be welcome to work with us, but I know what they're going to say. They're going to say no. We don't need their votes. So we did that with one big, beautiful bill why aren't we doing it again instead for eight weeks nine weeks 10 weeks we've just sat on our ice cold lazy butts and done nothing you know you don't want to go anywhere this is absolute goal with senator john kennedy more coming up on will cane country well let's do talk about affordability let's talk about housing uh to start i'm going to be exploring that a little more senator today at four o'clock on the fox news channel on the will cane show

I've committed to talking about affordability this week and all of its various elements. We've done health care and you can do that until you're blue in the face because that's a tough one. We've talked about education yesterday and today we want to talk about housing. But, you know, when you look at this, people said there's a supply problem. You know, I talked to my staff about this yesterday because, like, Senator, you live in Louisiana. You're probably a little closer akin to what I experience in Texas. it doesn't feel like a supply problem in Texas, but I don't live on the East Coast where it's much more congested and there's not as much land to build into and that kind of thing.

You know, interest rates are high right now, much higher than they were for a generation. And that generation they got 2% interest rates, honestly, they're the aberration. This is more the norm. Like you look at history, 5, 6, 7, 10, that's kind of how it was. So when you look at it right now and you look at housing and people, particular, what can you do about affordability? Well, I do a couple of things. Number one, there is a supply problem, and here's what is cost us. Local government has control of zoning and housing permits. And local government, mayors, counsel people, they react like all

politicians to what their people say. And people don't want local government to allow more houses to be built because they think it will affect the value of their home. Many people who have a million dollars in equity in a home, they don't want to see necessarily more housing because the value of their home could drop. So what I would do, in fact, I've introduced a bill, is look. To say, look, I don't care how you do it, but you have to increase you local government, your housing starts by 5% a year. You don't have to do it.

You don't have to listen to me, but if you don't, you're not going to get your direct federal government grants that we give them through hood. And if you do do it, we'll give you some extra money. So I'd give them a carrot and stick. that would solve that problem in my opinion. The other thing I think we need to do is, you know, Will, when you sell your home, a certain amount of your gain is not taxed. But it's $250,000 for a single person, $500,000 for an individual, but for a couple. But a lot of those figures were set back in the 1990s.

With housing prices increasing so much, having $250,000 exempt from taxes is nothing. We need to raise that figure. And that way, people would be more likely to sell their home and buy a new one. That would increase supply as well. The demand is there. The problem is the supply. Those are two things I do right quick. Yeah, that's interesting about local governments. And I feel like I've experienced that on both sides. My small hometown where I grew up, Senator, is on the verge of boom. It's going to be a tech center in Texas. And I can tell you, I know there's a lot of concern about the kind of homes are going to be built. And then as an extension of that, the kind of people that are going to move into those homes. And then what do those homes look like in five to ten years? And who buys them second hand, who buys the second time?

because you're talking about the transformation of a town. You're talking about the transformation of a culture, of a community. But I get what you're saying as well. You can't hang on to yesterday. Otherwise, nobody can afford a home. And by the way, in Texas, we've done what you've talked about. Like, local zoning is way, there's way less control than there used to be. Anybody can get out of an ETJ, extra territorial jurisdiction.

Anybody can do it. A home builder can come in and throw up 500 homes. and there's not much a city can do to stop it. Is that good? I guess it's good for the supply of homes. Is it good for the community? I don't know, Senator. Well, you can still have building standards

while allowing more building. I'm not saying that you should allow people to throw up cheap homes that aren't well built. You can still have standards, but you can allow more building. And I don't know any other way to increase supply other than that. Now, some of my colleagues, mostly Democrats, have argued, well, the federal government needs to get into the home construction business. You know, God save us all.

You know, no, it's got to be driven. It's got to be driven by the private sector. And when it takes you two years to get a permit, and then you get sued 20 times before you're allowed to build a suburb. division and you're paying interest on the money the whole time. That's not conducive to more homes. So there's a lot of people that argue as well, immigration is tied to supply or increased demand when it comes to housing. I want to talk to you about immigration. I think we've talked, we've talked, all of us, everyone has talked at length about illegal immigration. And we've talked

about, I think, although probably not enough, you know, deportations. Deportations not limited simply to those, you know, to listen to Secretary Nome, who are quote unquote criminals and terrorists, but, you know, deportation of illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be in America, even if they're good people, doing good jobs. That has an impact on the wages of Native Americans, and it has impact on a whole host of things, including housing. Yesterday, you know, based upon the president's interview with Laura Ingram on Fox, you know, I talked about H-1B visas, and we've talked a lot about this. And it's a real divide among people who have otherwise a ton of agreement. And that divide is, do we need to be bringing in the best and the brightest to do jobs that, quote-unquote, Americans cannot do, are not skilled enough to do?

I have real trouble with that idea, Senator, to be blunt and upfront with you about it. And, you know, I had this debate with Senator Mullen recently. And, you know, and I heard Treasury Secretary Bessent, you know, we're talking about a two, three-year window where Americans are getting up to speed on jobs. And apparently somehow we forgot how to do it. We put men on moon on a nine-year time frame, but we've forgotten how to build a submarine or whatever it is to run cable to run the Internet. I don't know where we forgot how to do everything good, but apparently we have to import, you know, hundreds of thousands of people from India and some from China to do what we can't do anymore. That's the argument I'm told on H-1B visas, Senator. The points. H-1B visas have been abused.

I mean, they have. And the tech companies abused them. Number two, as fast as artificial intelligence is moving, for example, and the need for computer. engineers, we're not putting out enough of them. India is. I have no problem with, why? Look at our universities. Yeah, why? Look at our universities. On the other hand, I'm told that our universities need to bring in 600,000 Chinese students that our universities are top in the world, and they all come here to get educated. So I'm trying to figure out where they're whipping our ass. Is it in K through 12? Is it in university? I'll buy the K-3-12.

12 thing, but I'm having trouble figuring out the why. Well, the reason that universities brought in so many international students was the money, I can tell you, just follow the Benjamins. It was the money because these foreign students pay full freight, and a lot of them were in graduate school. But that's a separate issue. The other issue is when you have a shortage in a booming area like AI, artificial intelligence, and you need more computer engineers.

Rather than spend the two or three years to train, I have no problem using an H-1B visa to bring in folks from India. China gives me pause, man. We had a program under President Trump during the first term to pay careful attention to the Chinese students and professors who were in our universities for security reasons.

President Biden got really, of the program, but I've always, I've always worried about that. Do you think, Senator, you said at the outset you think H-1B has been abused, and there's a lot of ways that you can quantify abuse. One of them is, I mean, I think you'd probably agree with me. You do create a depressing factor on wages with H-1Bs, and I know this anecdotally to be true, because the H-1B visa holder is beholden to the employer, thus depressing his ability to negotiate for a wage. bringing the whole thing down for the American as well.

And so you've got a foreign worker that has to work for a lower wage in order to keep his green card. And the American worker is now uncompetitive because he wants a real wage, not the depressed wage of a green card holder. There's that, but do you think that we are truly limiting it to the best and the brightest? I see these job listings.

I see that a bunch of it's for entry level and junior level stuff. You know, and some of it may not be true, but it's bouncing around social media. register clerks at 7-Eleven and there's people doing jobs that don't seem at least, and I don't know how to quantify it, center, don't seem beyond the capabilities of Americans. No, there's been abuse. I mean, the big tech companies, they're not in there for doing what they're doing out of the goodness of their hearts. They want to make money. And there has been abuse. And we haven't properly, in my opinion, regulated them and supervised them.

And a lot of the, by the way, the issue of visas, I know you're talking about H1Bs, which is for the professional class, but there are a lot of visas that we give out to folks from other countries to perform jobs that clearly Americans may be available but don't want to perform. I mean, in my state, for example, peeling crawfish. You know, my people don't want to take a job like that. They don't want to spend, you know, eight or ten hours a day sitting there peeling crawfish. I don't care what you pay it. So we bring in foreign workers for doing that. But when you're talking about a profession, and all I wouldn't kill the program,

but I would sure watch big tech like a hawk. Where do people come from to peel crawfish? Like you bring in a foreign worker. Like who's jumping on those jobs? Folks from Latin America, they're legal. and we asked them to come in. Same thing with shrimp. Same thing with certain farming,

sugar cane, for example. I mean, many Americans, most Americans, they just don't want these jobs. They don't want them. I understand why. But folks who are here illegally and who are properly vetted from other countries

who are happy to have them and under the visa program when it's properly implemented, they come in for three months, and then they go back home. They go back home. And if they want to stay permanently, they have to apply for a legal status like everybody else. I don't want to see America. Is it successful? Is it successful, the going home part?

The going home part. Can we have faith in that, Senator? You have to make sure that the businesses do it. But most of my businesses in my state, they follow. law. They're very careful about it. If they get a visa, bring in a worker for three or four months, they provide housing for the worker at the three or four month period. They have to go back home. And I've got, I've got farmers, for example, that have been bringing in farm workers for two and three months at a time for years and years and years and years. And the workers follow

the law and the business is followed the law. And it works out great. All right, before we go, Senator, once, okay, twice, eyebrows raised three times you got my attention. I want to give you these three stories packaged together. I don't think unfairly packaged together, Senator. Here's the headline from the New York Post. Ex-top New York aide accused of being secret agent for China in exchange for lavish perks as Fed trial begins. Linda Sun was for sale. This was a top aide to Kathy Hokel, governor, and former governor,

Andrew Cuomo, who was in league with, the accusations are the CCP. She got a Ferrari. She got a $3.6 million home on Long Island. She had a condo in Hawaii. Okay, one example. And then I get this from Fox News. Tammy Duckworth staffer. Democrat, Tammy Duckworth staffer, accused of posing as a lawyer

in an attempt to free illegal immigrant from ICE custody. Subhead, Department of Homeland Security demands answers as Edward York's alleged misrepresentation at a St. Louis facility. Wasn't a lawyer, pretended to be a lawyer, to go get an illegal immigrant out. All right, eyebrows raised, that's two, right? Now we got this. From the New York Post, California Governor Gavin Newsom's ex-chief of staff arrested, accused of stealing $225,000.

Now, I got my attention, Senator. We got three big politicians within their staff doing some pretty eyebrow rate, things among the Democrats. And they're all true. I saw the story about Governor Newsom's former chief of staff yesterday. She's on a whole lot of trouble. I read the indictment. They were just stealing.

It's all there was to it. I consider it immoral when a senator's staff person lies in order to help somebody who came into our country by breaking the law. I just don't think two wrongs make it right. And in terms of China, I'm not saying that everyone from China who comes to America is a spy. I'm not saying that. But a lot of them are. And a lot of these Chinese students may come here innocently, but their families are back in China.

And the way Xi Jinping works and the Communist Party of China, they called up the American student or the student in America studying. And they say, you know, you're going to get us information. And the Chinese students says, I don't want to do that. And they say, well, you know what, your family's back here in China. It'd be ashamed if something happened to them. These people are relentless. They're ruthless. And we've got to constantly monitor that sort of thing.

You can't trust them. They'll steal the hair off your head. That's just the way the way the Communist Party of China is. Senator, I sure am as much as I enjoy having you on television. I'm enjoying these conversations much more. They're very, very thoughtful. They're always funny, but they're even more thoughtful. And when given the time, I appreciate that.

I don't think we've ever met in person. There's a chance somewhere in a New York studio. We had to both be in the city for some occasion. So I'm left curious. I don't remember. I think you're taller than one might expect. So I'm going to put the over under. I'm going, are you?

I'm going to actually go six foot two over under, Senator. I used to be six three. Well, actually, I think at one point I might have been six four, but I came to Washington and got beat down. So I'm probably closer to six two. But yeah, when I played basketball, I was a shooting forward. And I like to shoot. Oh, like a good flag.

Yeah, I didn't necessarily make a lot of them. But I wasn't bad at ball handling. But, you know, I just played high school ball. Shooting forward. You know, Antoine Walker, famously of the Boston Celtics, said, I'm a volume shooter. So it doesn't matter how many you make as long as you jack them up, Senator. You know, so. Oh, I had no problem jacking them up.

I would jack. I mean, that wasn't my problem with. It was the going in part. Larry Bird in your own mind. Larry Bird in your own mind. Yeah, Larry Bird. Was he awesome? When he had Magic Johnson competed, man, that was basketball. What about football?

Before we go, what about football? It's rough in Baton Rouge. And the governor, I like the governor. Well, he's on the warpath. He's not going to let you do any $50-70 million buyouts, apparently, in Louisiana. Well, the problem is I don't know how we're going to get a coach. I mean, the market is the market. I know.

And I know how the governor feels. That's a lot of money. but you know just like the old expression it's not bragging if you can do it um these coaches that's what the market is and uh i was i'm not going to say anything bad about about coach kelly i think he did the best he could but but in louisiana when you're paying somebody that kind of money you're expected to to win my concern and i gave a speech on the senate floor about this was there have been a lot of national headlines and I wanted to people to remember that LSU is a lot more than just football and basketball. It's a great flagship university with a

really lot of bright kids. We've got 60,000 kids trying to better their lives and get an education and I don't want to lose side of that. But, you know, LSU football is a big deal. It's kind of Like University Texas, man. You're Vanderbilt, right? Am I remembering correctly? You're Vanderbilt? Yeah, anchored down before the game. We haven't talked after.

Oh, yeah. Just not in Austin. Just not against UT. Doors are doing great this year. You know, I mean, just not against UT. He is not against UT. Look, that young Manning boy you got there at UT, man. He's going to be a great one.

I'm just telling you, he, I think he's going to be unbelievable. I watched his brother's struggle when they started out, but they turned out okay. And his granddad did too. They did. It's coming together for him. It's starting to come together. Always good to hang out. Thank you so much for your time today, Senator.

Thank you, Will. You're a champ, man. Thanks. All right. There you go. Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana. All right. We're going to take a quick break, but don't go anywhere because we are going to

going to get into the story of whether or not black people hate Will Cain. It was the headline at awful announcing based upon something I said in my interview with Sage Steel. We got that plus The Daily Signals. Rob Blewey coming up on Will Cain Country. with people's height. It is Wilcane Country. Stream live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, but you can always follow us at Spotify or on Apple. I'm not. I'm not. Two a day's tinfoil. I'm not obsessed with people's height. This is the issue, Suzanne. This is what I find fascinating. It's not obsession. It's fascination, Ed. Here's the fascination. When I meet people in person, say last week at the Patriot Awards, I get this comment all the time. You're way taller than I would have

thought. And I think it's interesting. that I read a certain thing. And we all do. This screen that we have a relationship through deprives you of information. And the minute you meet in person, you're like, wow, that information seems pertinent. You walk through the world, right or wrong, better or worse. You walk through the world and you meet someone and height has something to do with the impression you leave on people.

I'm just telling you that it is. But this little interaction that we have here, it takes that piece of information out. And you can say, okay, that's good. That's fine. I don't care. I'm not passing judgment. I just find it fascinating. And I think it's fascinating that people say, oh, man, you're a lot taller than I would have expected.

And I'm like, why do I read short on television? You are. I thought so, too. You know, yesterday, I don't know why I do that reads short. But like yesterday, a lot of what we did went viral. Okay, a lot of what we did yesterday on both programs went viral. The H-1B visa stuff, the college stuff, the relationship. between Will and the black community. It went viral. So I was reading some of the comments,

which I should not have done. But one of the comments says, this Will guy gets it right. He's kind of goofy, but I think his heart's in the right place. I'm like, why do I read goofy? I'm short and goofy? Like, it's a single comment. Why are you laughing so hard, eh? Charlie Chaplin. So like, I just like, by the way, the word goofy will bang around in your noggin for a little while. You're like, goofy. Like, what does that mean? Like, what am I, why am I goofy? But I find it fascinating when you, am I here for your amusement?

You know, like, the thing about height, like, to this day, Dan, and we got a Christmas party coming up, and this is about to change. We haven't met tinfoil pat. I've known Pat for years and never met Pat in person. It's crazy. Right? My relationship with Patrick is on the phone and the one you see here on this screen, and he maintains he's six foot six.

And it will be shocking when we walk in and he's, you know, he's six, nine. It's going to be shocking. Or five, six, I don't know. I'd like to, like, imagine what are they that we don't know? Wonder how tall Rob Blue is. Window of a screen. Well, all right. Let's bring in the Daily Signals Executive Editor Rob Bluey right now into the program.

Before we get to Rob's height, you know, I was curious about the senator because the senator, there was something about the senator. don't remember if I met him on the set of Fox in France. I really don't. I might have. And that's where it was maybe like firings and curiosity endorphins in my head. But there was something about the center. I also said, he reads tall. I think he's tall. There's something about what he reads through this screen that says to me, six two. And I nailed it. He basically said I'm six two. Yeah. And one time he was six four. So I'm just fascinated by the disconnect between reality and this reality. And I don't know, Rob. I haven't thought, no offense. I haven't thought about your height yet. It hasn't occurred to me. But why don't we do it? Okay, so Ed says, Ed's placing the over-under of Rob Bluey, the

day signal, at 6-1. And I'm going to tell you something, Rob, and I hope you don't take offense. I'm taking the under. I'm taking the under on 6-1. You got it, Will. 5-10. I stopped playing basketball competitively in eighth grade, so I don't I don't stand a chance against John Kennedy or you on the court, that's for sure. Before we launch into some other topics, I just want to visit a few more comments there from the Wallitia. So, Drew, Dana Anderson says these houses are cheaply built, but selling it $400,000 and upwards. It's not worth buying. And I think that's the point I'm trying to make to the senator.

I am concerned. I understand deregulation in the housing market, giving more power, or taking more power, or taking taking away power from localities and local governments to control the housing supply. But I'll be honest with you, I have some concerns about the quality of houses that you all of a sudden green light. And then there's Jay Lewis says, y'all need to get Senator Kennedy's new book. He's hilarious. Imagine if he was Senate Majority Leader, so much we get done and we'd have comedy gold. And Haunted 1989 said, I love this man.

you should check out Senator Kennedy's book How to Test Negative for Stupid. Now, Rob Louis of the Daily Signal, what do you think, man, you're young. What do you think about all this affordability stuff, probably most notably in housing? Yeah, it's a problem for young people. I mean, I hear it all the time, and I worry about my own kids and what it's going to be like when they're in a position to enter the housing market if they can even afford to do so. And I do think what the senator was talking about, you know, does, I agree, like, there is a lot of regulation. There's probably too much red tape, and we can reduce that.

But, you know, I also think one of the other factors here, Will, is that houses today are quite different from the houses of, you know, several generations ago. And my house, I think, was built in the late 1950s. It's certainly not some Mick Mansion in a neighborhood like you see going up today. And people seem to just need more space. maybe if we consolidated and didn't have so much stuff around, we wouldn't necessarily need to spend so much on housing. And I think the other factor that I worry about here is that, you know, people oftentimes want to do things in a certain order. And so if they delay buying a house, it might also mean that they're delaying having a family. And that means fewer kids potentially. And that's, you know,

has generations of ramifications for our country. We already know that people aren't having enough kids to meet the replacement level in this country. So all of these things are connected in a way, that does have a long-term ramifications for the United States. Boy, you're right about the, I don't know if the word is quality, but the expectation when it comes to housing. I'm older than you, Rob, and I think about the houses, you know, in my hometown growing up and, you know, going to my friend's houses. Man, they're nothing like.

And I worry about that for my hometown. So the houses that would have been built in the 50s and 60s, I'm telling you, they're just, nobody wants. to buy those because, you know, their standard three-bedroom homes, let's put the, you know, there are 2,500 to 3,000 square feet homes, and you, you know, you go look at what people want now, like, they want square footage, and, you know, it's more, what do you call them, you know, development plots, houses all kind of in the same architectural style than what I grew up with. That's the thing now, and it has been for 20 years.

But what people expect and want a house, man, it's way different. And maybe it should be. I'm not saying that's wrong. Maybe that's the progress of a growing economy. But it's just the demands on housing is so different than what it was 40 years ago. It sure is. And let's face it, people, if they come out of college or they have a huge debt from student loans, they don't necessarily have the money to make a down payment on a home.

Now, my wife and I were fortunate that we often talk about, you know, if only we got married a year earlier, why do we have such a long engagement, for instance? Because even at the time that we got married, which was 2003, waiting a year in the Washington, D.C. area meant that we paid a lot more for a home because that was when the price was going up significantly. We got into a five-year arm. Fortunately, we got out of it in year four, so we didn't have that balloon payment that was going to hit us. But I worry about a lot of young people today who are just in a situation where they can't put that 20% down. Their parents probably can't afford to give them a loan because of their own financial situation. And so then you're left in a situation where they're either spent rental and a rental property or they have to move so far out of a city location that the commute is terrible. And they don't get to spend the time, the quality time with their kids and family.

So, yeah, it certainly is not a great situation, particularly if you live in an urban. area. And so maybe this is a return to some, you know, suburbs and excerpts that, you know, we've traditionally seen in the past. So the yesterday Democrats released, Rob, emails, Jeffrey Epstein emails, and the way it's being sold is that it further ties Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein. Well, if you look into it a little deeper, you come away with a couple takeaways that are revealed from these Jeffrey Epstein emails. Uh, number one, journalist Michael Wolfe, who's behind a lot of this stuff, he's, he hates Donald Trump. He was coaching Epstein. He was, he was coaching Epstein, like almost play by play on how to blackmail Donald Trump.

And then you say, okay, well, why blackmail Donald Trump? Because there's some implication or suggestion now, if you look into these things that, it might have been Donald Trump, by the way, that was pointing the finger at Jeffrey Epstein. Like, we don't know for sure, but blowing the whistle on, on Jeffrey Epstein. But the real key is they released an email and the victim's name is redacted, and that's, of course, meant to imply we're protecting the victim's identity and it suggests that Trump was connected to the victim, right? But we already know the victim. The victim's already out there and she is deceased. She committed suicide. It is Virginia Jafray. And we know Virginia Jafre has already said several times before she died. Nothing, nothing, no. No Donald Trump misbehavior, nothing whatsoever. So now they're using this, and I think that Bill O'Reilly put it well, it's all innuendo. It's in you window, but it doesn't serve the narrative that they're actually put forward.

But look, a lot of people ride the surface of news, right? So the headline, the surface is all you need. Here's the headline from the New York Post, opinion piece by Miranda Devine. The left is pushing another desperate anti-Trump hoax, a false Epstein smear campaign. What do you think, Rob? Yeah, I agree with Miranda on that,

and I thought you put it well there. Will, this is another situation where the Democrats were selective, obviously, in the emails that they wanted out there. They wanted to paint this picture and create a lot of the innuendo and suspicion that Donald Trump was doing things inappropriately. And they, for some reason, think that they're going to benefit politically by having the headlines about Jeffrey Epstein. Remember, we went through this phase earlier in the year where on a daily basis, it seemed that most of the news media couldn't get enough of talking about this story because they thought it was going to damage Trump's reputation. It certainly serves as a distraction for his administration and some of the other things that he wants to get done and accomplished. And so I don't ultimately know, though, if voters are going to punish Donald Trump and Republicans as much as the Democrats think that they might. And that's because the Jeffrey Epstein story has been litigated for years.

Donald Trump has so far been able to weather the storm. And even if new damaging information comes out, which it hasn't, by the way, even in these latest emails, I ultimately think that Trump's going to probably, emerge fine from this. As Caroline Levitt said yesterday, Trump was the one that gave Epstein the boot from his club as soon as that there were allegations in the first place. And so he's on the record with taking a tough stand against Jeffrey Epstein. And I think ultimately he'll be vindicated. Yeah, I have mixed feelings on this as I've made clear. I don't think the Jeffrey Epstein story has been litigated sufficiently. I think that the Donald Trump salacious angle of Jeffrey Epstein has been explored sufficiently.

I just think all the salacious fun stuff there, but let's talk about when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. It's just, it's not the story, and the story remains murky. The story remains impenetrable. The story remains something impossible of explaining the existence of Jeffrey Epstein. But, you know, we'll continue to pursue that as long as is supported by, you know, real facts. And I think it should be litigated. pursued, investigated, discussed. It's just, there's too much, there's too much, there's too much of a block around the story, Rob.

Yeah, that's my feelings on it. But that's true. I agree with you on that point. I think that transparency here is a good thing. I think that the American people should know more. The problem is you want to do so while predicting some of those victims and being able to, to obviously hold those who were in a position with Epstein accountable without necessarily releasing all of the information for those who may have been named in some of the documents who did know wrong?

So, AOC's on the rise. Zoroamam Dhani's mayor of New York. I believe her name is Katie Miller's the new mayor of Seattle, a vowed socialist. I think she lives with her parents. And all across the country in isolated pockets, at least, you're seeing a rise of what's really, really, really far left. Right now, he's down 19 points. But Graham Platner in Maine, running for.

for Senate is about as extreme as it absolutely gets. A Democratic Socialist Rifles Club, Nazi tattoo on his chest. Here's the latest from Graham Platner. Graham Platner condemns Pete Heggseth's toxic masculinity after years of homophobic comments. I'm going to read, something that I think is just beyond infuriating at this point, says Platner, is watching the Trump administration, watching Pete Heggsett, who was essentially like a walking avatar of male insecurity, just used militarism, use. war as this kind of way of displaying toxic masculinity that they embody and they look up to. And so much the ire has been directed at the LGBT-plus members of the service, which is horrifying

because there's the ones who've been serving. We also know that for years, Graham Platcher's been on Reddit calling people, I don't even know what I'm allowed to say. Homophobic, you know the word, the F word, homophobic F word, and things like that. this dude is PC principal from South Park. Yeah, so later in that Washington Free Beacon story, I mean, it goes through and actually prints all of the terrible things, vulgar things that we shouldn't repeat on air that the Grand Planter has said

over the course of the years. And of course, he's come out and apologized for them, and he says that he no longer believes any of those things that he said, but quite horrific what he was saying about individuals. And the fact that he's going after Pete Heggsat, after what Pete Hegseth has been able to accomplish in a few short months at the Pentagon. I mean, not only do you see recruitment at new levels that Joe Biden and the Democrats were never able to achieve, but Hegseth is also going after the system, the bureaucratic system,

to try to make sure that we are in a position as a country to defend ourselves. And so I understand that the establishment and those on the far left do not like what Pete Hegseth is doing. He's having tremendous success at the Pentagon. and so that's probably why Graham Planter has singled him out. But I actually think that credit to Pete Hegseth and all of those who are serving in the Pentagon for restoring some of the standards and expectations that we want our military to have. And I personally think that he's inspiring young men to serve our country in a noble way. And I'm glad to see that.

It's unfortunate that you have these left-ring radicals who don't see the benefit of that. I would love, I think we're trying to book Platner. I think he's on the list. We'd love to talk to Platner. Define toxic masculinity. I would love to know. Pete is toxicly masculine. Would you please for me define your terms?

What is toxic masculinity? Yeah, I think that'd be a good question to ask him. I'm not sure exactly what he means by that in the context of Heggseth, other than the fact that he doesn't like the fact that Hegseth is, is saying that you need to have these standards in order to be in the military. We're going to make it merit-based. We're not going to have DEI and woke policies. A couple of years ago, I did some reporting on some of the individuals that were being promoted and elevated by the Biden administration.

And they had some of, you know, their ideas for the Department of Defense at the time were antithetical to what historically that department believed in. And you saw this from the service academies. Unfortunately, they were kind of indoctrinated from the moment they set up foot on campuses. And so you have years that Pete Hegseth needs to address. And individuals who I'm sure are still within the ranks of the military that he needs to either root out or reform in ways that are not going to be easy for him. And so I think it would be a good interview for you to do, Will. I hope that he accepts the invitation and does it.

doubt that he will. But let's face it, he's down, he's down 19 points to Susan Collins. Yeah, what's he got to lose? That's right. You're down 19, Graham. What do you got to lose? Yeah, we're going to talk about the tat, but what do you got to lose? Come on, Graham. I would love to have you here on Wilcane Country. All right, just like I love having Rob Lue of the Daily Signal. Thanks so much for hanging out. I know it went along with Senator Kennedy and you hung out and I appreciate that and I appreciate the time you've given us today. Rob Bluey. Hey, Will, I got one question for you, that gold helmet there? Is that Notre Dame or is that Lehigh Mountain Hawks? It is Notre Dame. Do the Lehigh Mountain Hawks wear an all gold helmet? Do they? They did on

Saturday. I was at the game up in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. They are undefeated, and you better keep an eye on them. Number four in the FCS. They're going a long way, I predict. Nice. Okay. Go Mountain Hawks. Thank you, Rob Louis, of the Daily Signal. All right, today, before we go, we're going to do a little addition to final tires. We're going to bring in tinfoil, Pat, two a day's dam. And I think tinfoil, I think we should start here. I think we should start with the headline from awful announcing. Will Kane says ESPN told him black people hate him.

Ed's wondering who's that in the picture. What are you talking about it? That's me. The beard, what's, what's so different? It's like 20 years ago. What made you get rid of the beard? We're like a young man. It's not 20 years ago.

You think I look a lot different there? The beard is different for sure. I don't care. Okay, so I shaved. Are you saying I've aged? Are you saying I've aged? Oh, that's what you're afraid of. I look better now than big.

I was trying to figure it out this whole time why you didn't like that. That's what you're worried about. You don't want to look so different from your SPN days. It's vanity. Well, what do you think that picture is? That picture is probably nine years ago. I've ever seen in my life. It's insane.

You do not have to worry about that. Thank you. Stop. Go on. No, no. He's a big brown noser, but it's a hundred percent true. It's 100 percent true. Everyone's like, oh, my goodness, Will looks like he's 38.

What a dick. 38. That's a good number. I stick it to 38. You could be my age, honestly. I'll bank that. whammies, 38. This is based upon, first of all, awful announcing is awful.

It's a huge lib outlet, and everybody that follows it is hugely lib. And, you know, when President Trump appeared at the Washington Commander's Detroit Lions game on Fox with Burkart and Vilma, I saw the post from awful announcing. And you read the comments, and they've self-cultivated an audience right now that is, you know, absurd. absurd. But this headline they managed to craft together is actually something went viral, so much so that I got a text from ESP, a former ESPN management this morning, who, by the way, for what it's worth, happened to be black. And he said, L.O.L. This is really funny. And I said, I know. I can't live in viral. And I said, the thing is, it's true. I was told this. And he goes, oh, I know. I was told it, too, in meetings. Here's the story. Here's the story. And by the way,

I harbor no ill will. No, no, I'm not mad. I was at one point. But, you know, and I don't, I have tried to maintain this thing where I don't really, I saw Adam Carolla asked a question by Megan Kelly about his relationship with Jimmy Kimmel. And she was like, how does that continue? How do you guys still have a relationship? And with, you know, everything is so different. And Corolla says the first thing, which is 100% true in the way I believe, he's like, are you kidding me? Like, life is about so much more than politics. It's, it's. about your faith and your family. He goes, all the F words. Think about them all. Faith, family. There's a lot of things to talk about besides politics. And he goes, but also, Jimmy Kimmel gave me my start. Like, he literally took me out of doing boxing training and home construction and put me into the entertainment business. And he goes, one of the worst things you can be in life is an ingrate, like ingratful. And I agree with Adam Carolla on that. And I respect his withholding his fire or whatever it is in not going after Jimmy Kimmel. I have no such relationship with Jimmy Kimmel and feel no no no need to do that. But right, but I look back on my employment at various places and the

people that I worked with with a great amount of fondness. It doesn't mean it was always great. There was ups, there was downs. There was with with certain individuals. The relationship had ups and downs and good and bad because you know what? That's life. But so I I don't I don't I look back on this, and I've been very reluctant to talk about ESPN, very reluctant to air any, even if, and I ask myself if it's the right thing, I really do. Like, if I think a certain thing, should I withhold what I think? My old boss did. Because your old boss did what? Withhold what he thought?

No, he said everything about ESPN. That's true. That's true. And by the way, they probably would love to have him back. So it's not, it's not, it's actually, it's not a play. At no point in my career will I ever. end up back at ESPN. It's not going to happen. I don't desire it. It's just not, I love being at Fox. I just don't want to be an ingrate. And I don't like gossip and I don't like back talk and I don't

like these things. I just don't like it. I'm not being holier than now. I don't like it. So I don't spend a lot of time talking about ESPN from time to time it comes up, you know, and I will try to address it. It came up in an interview with Sage Steele. A lot of things did for that matter. There are other things in an interview that I talked about that I don't talk about a lot. So good on Sage, asked the right questions. I talked about my personal life. You know, I talked about my father. I talked about some things that I don't talk about. Not because I actually avoid them because I don't like running them out there. They're not my flag to fly. But I also am not going to avoid it. If you ask me direct questions, I'll give you direct answers. So she asked me something that led me down

this path. And I can't remember what it was. And I told her a story. A story about a time that I was pulled into a meeting. And I was told. And there was a lot more going on in this meeting about the future of a lot of shows I was involved with and this kind of thing. And by the way, for the record, you know, I don't think the lefties are listening to clip it. But just so you know, I don't think you're trying to be right. So this is wasted breath. You're not trying to get it right, but just so, you know, like, I rated on every single show I've ever been in my career. Wow.

I'm not bragging. I'm telling you the truth. When I go on first take, the ratings go up. When I did the Will Ken Show and I Espunia Spinn Radio, the ratings went up. When I do, five or not ratings went up. It's a fact. I'm sorry. It's true.

You can hate me, but, you know, what you don't get to say is that nobody liked me. Somebody must have liked me. Ratings went up. But I was told in this meeting, hey, we did a focus group, black people don't like you. And I did say, that's not true, you know, I meet black people all the time. They love me. Like that's up head reads right here. And then I was told, well, I was told, this is a literal conversation.

I'm basically giving it to you word for it. Well, black people are polite, so they wouldn't say it to your face. I said, okay, well, what do I do with that? But the long and short of it is there wasn't more. It wasn't a point to that other than it didn't matter. I'm not changing what I say. I say what I say. And let it fall where it is, you know?

And that's what I did on first take. That's what I do now. You can love me. You can hate me. I'm not going to tell you I don't care, but I ain't going to change. I'm not going to do it differently because I'm not going to do it differently because I find out you don't like me. Now, we can talk about what opinions that I had on first take that might have led a focus group to go in that direction, but Pat seems to think it's my sports takes.

Pat seems to think it's my opinions on Josh Rosen as a quarterback or the Dallas Cowboys, to which I say, go fly a kite, Pat. That's the nicest way I was thinking of my head. I was running through and somehow I ended up on go fly a kite. My sports takes are impeccable, Pat. I have been proven right on almost everything. I'll bet you I'm batting 800 on sports. Nobody bats 1,000. I'll bet you I'm batting 800, 800. And way ahead.

Taking edgier positions and getting it right. Who was right on Luca? Me or Stephen A or Max? You know, Stephen A was on Bagley. Max was on DeAndre Aten. Who was on Luca? Me. I was on Luca, okay?

And that's just one example. I got them all right, basically, or 80% of them, right? So it ain't the sports takes, and you and I both know it. It was the cultural takes, and my decline, declination of calling everything racist. That's it. You want it in the nutshell? Will wouldn't call everything racist. And that's what, that's where that came from.

How dare you? But anyway, yeah, how dare I? Patrick thought it really funny and fun, and we talked about yesterday, so he grabbed a few of the comments under these articles. And so let's just see what people had to say. the people out there said Will Cain never fooled me one thing I can always spot is a bad actor. Does he mean like a

performer, a bad performer, or a bad actor? Like a bad apple. J.M. Doesn't clarify it. J.M. says, I'm not going to buy this. But Stephen A. wasn't a fan. It was pretty obvious. Hate to break it to you, John Martin. Stephen A. and I are boys. Not always

in alignment. Not obviously always in agreement. Not best of friends in the world, but Stephen A. and I are friends. J.C., former world champion. They did, meaning black people did not like me. He says, white people, too. And most Asians and Hispanic and Latinos, I polled also.

At least you're diverse, you know? Nae. Yeah, I mean, I've got 100% disapproval. White, Asian, Latino, black, 100% disapproval rating. name al-a-meen says nah will cane just had dumbass sports takes i've heard that that's a burner for tinfoil pat and then uncle t says well i'll speak for myself i do hate him i did see a lot of comments boys were like don't let black people have all the glory white people hated will as well you're taking it well what do you mean well well you know that's a lot of how else would you

take it. I think Dan would have cried if he had something like this written up the down. You have no idea the hate I got went on my old show. It was brutal and I didn't, I wasn't able to talk back to it either. It was tough. More hate there than when you let your trans flag fly on

Wilcane country? Oh God no, God no, but still. You get more hate here than on Dan Patrick. Yeah. Really? Yeah, I think. Come on people. Dan's great. He's wrong. No, no, no. I'm joking, but like sports takes wise. Sports fans actually tend to be rougher sometimes than, you know, news politics, I would say.

People get really, really defensive about their teams. It never, Dan, it didn't really bother me that much because, listen, you know, what I told Sage was we were talking about the nature of debate and Stephen A and I, and I think we're talking about our relationship. And I grew up a certain way. I grew up, my dad was an attorney, and dinner was like a debate on almost anything. I remember vividly having a debate, I remember vividly having a debate with my dad because whatever year old Will told him McDonald's made the best hamburgers, and he was apoplectic, and he wanted to tell me about this hamburger, and I'm like, over two million served, dad, I mean, the numbers, look at the numbers, you know?

And, you know, he debate, but we'd go back and forth on, on everything, and then me and my brothers and but debate was never like it was passionate but not angry and it wasn't like personal I can't say it wasn't always like that but you get over it you know and a lot of ways when you know I didn't grow up with Italian people but I see that on TV a lot like Italian people like communicate in the same way very passionately and then you're over it like that you know and honestly that's that's very common in black culture as well in like the debate and the back and forth. It's fun, and you don't take it that personally. And I think it made first take a very natural fit for me, you know, and was part of my relationship with Stephen A. So, you know, whatever,

like, whether small town, rural America, or whatever it may be, this, there's a lot of overlap and, and it worked. Dan's got a lot of comments here for me. Last two. I need to check real quick. Last two are funny. You, the Willisha. Let's, um, Haunted 1989 comments in again says, You looked like a hockey player. It's true. Well, is it first take, that picture? Yeah, it's so true.

Do you think I look like a hockey player? Yes. Now playing wing for the Dallas Stars. Yeah. Will Kane. That looks like a hockey player right there. Absolutely. Yeah, the beard.

Yeah. Some lettuce. I can see that. I can see that. And then Willa Knott says, Will needs to do his own podcast. He can talk with anyone. He's very intelligent.

and doesn't have an ego problem. Wait, I don't get it. I'm left. I do. Aren't we doing one right now? We're doing one right now. That's why I can't tell if Willis taking a shot at me or not. No.

Is Willa saying, I think I'm very intelligent and I don't have an ego problem? Like, is it all sarcastic? What are you doing, Willa? Am I goofy? You're banging around in my head like the goofy thing. I don't know what to do with this because I'm literally doing a podcast. right now. Damn it, Willa.

Everybody can call me racists and say white people don't bother. White people don't like me, black people don't like me. None of that's going to get inside the grill and bang around. But you, Willa, you're in there. You and Goofy. You got inside the fortress. That's going to do it for me today here on Wilcane Country. Make sure you follow us on Apple or Spotify.

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