Will Cain Country - The Great American Comeback: With Bret Baier, Tyrus, Kennedy, Salena Zito, David Marcus, Dr. Gad Saad, & Sean Davis

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

President-Elect Donald J. Trump pulls off the greatest comeback in American history. How did he do it? Will breaks it all down in other massive Election Week Special with FOX News Chief Political Anchor, Bret Baier, Host of the 'Kennedy Saves The World' podcast, Kennedy, the host of the 'Tyrus & The Wise Men' podcast, Tyrus, Nationally Political Syndicated Columnist, Salena Zito, FOX News Columnist, David Marcus, Visiting Professor and Global Ambassador, Northwood University and Author of ‘The Parasitic Mind,' Dr. Gad Saad, and CEO of The Federalist, Sean Davis. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, Donald Trump elected the 47th president of the United States. Two, why? Three, Brett Bayer, Tyrus, Kennedy, Lisa Booth, Dr. Gad, Sad, and more in a very special jumbo, two-hour edition of The Will Cain Show. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page on Terrestrial Radio coast-to-coast market-to-market. You can always hang out with the Wilcane Show by subscribing on Apple or Spotify. If you're watching on Facebook or YouTube live, as you should, every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time, there's a little text description underneath this live stream.

In that text description, there's a button to subscribe to the Will Cain Show. And you can become then a member of the Willisha. As Kendall on YouTube has already commented today, what a day for the Willisha. We had a massive day yesterday on the Willcane show. Well over half a million of you watched us across. various platforms, 250,000 of you live during the Will Kane show, a special 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. Election Day special. We have plans to continue this special week with two-hour episodes and big guest. As I mentioned today, we've got the man who called the race for president. We have Brett

Bayer. We have Tyrus. We have Kennedy. We have Dr. Gad Saad. We're going to break it down with reporters who have been on the beat, on the ground in places like Pennsylvania. And, later this week we'll be joined by bill hemmer and perhaps stephen a smith maybe jersey jerry from barstool we're going to be breaking down what just happened in america so hit subscribe said a reminder that you never miss an episode of the wilkane show donald trump the 47th president of the united states why there is a temptation i think and there will be a temptation for some on the right to spike the football to dance in the end zone to dance on the grave of the left there'll be a temptation to say this is a rejection of insanity i see it differently today i see an affirmation i see a victory

for donald trump i see a victory for america 2016 was your middle finger it was a giant middle finger. It was rejection. This was union workers with a middle finger to their union boss. This was Hicks, hayseeds, rejecting the good old boys. And this was even the good old boys rejecting the effete elites. This was a rejection in 2016 of the elites. And most notably it was a rejection of Hillary Clinton. 2020 was something different. 2020 should have a rejection of insanity. It should have been a rejection of COVID masks and school shutdowns.

It should have been a rejection of BLM insanity, of transgender insanity, of race hucksters. It should have been a complete rejection of what had taken over, this craziness in America. But we were censored, we were manipulated,

and yes, we were cheated in 2020. Something different has happened in 2020. it's not a rejection it's an embrace you see all of that hucksterism calling everything racist well that had moved on it ceased being something scary and it turned into a joke it even went from being a joke into something sad it went from something sad to being something blocked you didn't even hear about it anymore media manipulation and by the way the media one of the biggest losers if we are going to spike the football media one of the biggest

losers of 2024. You could say that this election represents a funeral, awake. For yes, I think CNN and CBS and NBC and the Washington Post and the New York Times and NPR, it's a funeral for their influence. They told America that Donald Trump was racist and that he was a Nazi. America didn't listen. They're impotent. And by the way, for accounting losers, another big loser is the machine. A machine. A machine. that propped up Joe Biden that told us that a man that was rotting before our eyes was a competent leader of the United States of America. It was a machine that put in place Kamala Harris, a machine that launched lawfare against Donald Trump, attempted to block him from the ballot,

arrested him, lined him up for mugshots, a machine that did everything possible, including bringing in Wonder Woman and the Avengers, Mark Ruffalo and Mark Cuban, Beyonce and Taylor Swift and to all of our great surprise, even brought in the oh so political influence of Cardi B. The machine wielded all that power and lost. But 2024, I don't think, is about that loss because it all had been reduced into a Reddit comment section. You're a Nazi. You're fascist. The media manipulation is a blade that had been dulled, cut too many times. nothing left. No, what I think happened in 2024, as opposed to the rejection of 16 and the would-be rejection

of 20, what I think happened in 2024 was an embrace. An embrace of Donald Trump's economy. An embrace of Donald Trump's personality is exhibited in places like with Theo Vaughn or Andrew Schultz or Joe Rogan. An embrace of a true joy, red, white and blue. an embrace of Donald Trump, and as such, a victory for the United States of America. That victory sounded like this last night on Fox News. Former President Donald J.A. Trump will win the state of Pennsylvania, and thereby he is on his way to becoming the 47th president of the United States.

With this, the path for Vice President Harris has narrowed, and there's really no path going forward. It's vanished. This is historic. Everything was about Pennsylvania. Everything from the beginning was about Pennsylvania. Now, former President Trump will win the state of Pennsylvania, and we can make that call, the 19 electoral votes. The man on that call. his chief political anchor, as well as the anchor and executive producer of Special Report.

Brett Bayer joins us now on the Will Ken show. Hey, Brett. Hey, Will. How are you? Good. You get a little bit of sleep? A few hours, a couple hours. Yeah, it was, it was quite a night. It really was was. And morning. You know, listen, it, we didn't think it was going to be like that. We thought it was going to last a little bit longer. We thought it might be into today. We thought it would be a little bit tighter. But as the raw vote total started coming in in these states, we were saying that it was outperforming where our polls were. You know, remember we had this Fox News voter analysis, 120,000 Americans. And it told us a lot about what they were thinking, but really didn't tell us the whole extent of the picture. And we got it, you know, by about 1, 1 a.m.,

2 a.m., and then made that call. You know, that's when you got it officially, Brett. I'm curious as you're sitting there at the desk, and we both know how television works. You at times get information through your ear, from producers, and from the decision desk on how they're processing information. I'm curious as all that's coming into you on election night, when did it start to dawn the direction this would go, that this would be a night for Donald Trump? I actually think we found a lot in the early vote in North Carolina and Georgia, in Florida, where Miami-Dade County flipped. I mean, really increased even from Ron DeSantis' win, when Asiola County, which is heavy Puerto Rican in the wake of the garbage comment from MSG and all that was made out of it, Puerto Ricans came out in big numbers for Donald Trump. I think those things shored up what we were seeing in our poll, and so we felt good that we were on the right track. We just didn't know the extent of it.

I think you're right on and you're open. it is a funeral for the mainstream media. It is a repudiation of what they said. Their megaphone is not there anymore. Nobody is listening to that because they have their own problems. And Donald Trump talked to them in a way that they felt heard. Now, I kind of do think it's a pushback on the woke stuff. The economy is really important.

The immigration situation is really hard. and they don't think that they were being listened to. But most importantly, I think the mainstream media and its influence has really taken a hit and may not recover after this election. And there's two different ways to analyze why that's the case, Brett. What many people are pointing out today is the rise of alternate media. The Donald Trump found so much success on podcast platforms. I think that too many people set that up as a zero-sum game.

In other words, if you have some success on podcasts, you don't need Fox News, for example. I don't think that is true. I don't think simply the atrophy of the distribution mechanisms of cable television or broadcast television explains their impotence. I think there has to be a reconciliation inside the executive offices of those big high rises in New York about the way you communicate information. Because I think for many on the left, what they really have to understand is they've been living in an alternate reality. that is not reality. And the picture that has been painted to them of Donald Trump or the movement on the right

is not this racist Nazi fantasy that's going to destroy democracy. And as they wake up and they say today, if their explanation is, well, 51% of America turns out to hate women, then they're not learning the lessons. But somebody that runs Comcast, somebody that runs Time Water,

has got to look at this and go, maybe we've earned our distrust in the media. There is introspection. Look at what Jeff Bezos came out and did and said, we are not endorsing, in part because he didn't think that the paper or any paper endorsing makes a big difference, and I tend to agree with him. But in his letter, which I think was well written and articulated, he said that and they shouldn't be in that business, but they wanted to be, all of those opinion folks, really desperately wanted to be. They didn't have the

ear to the ground of the average American. And I think that that was the case in a lot of places. if you look at Morning Joe, if you look at the view, if you look at these places Nicole Wallace's show, that's all it was, was an anti-Trump kind of diatribe, and there was no other side to it. So when you get to an election that is completely upside down and completely the other way, you are going to have to spend a lot of time explaining to your audience why you were dead wrong for two years. And we have some of that today. We want to share with the audience from MSNBC, from The View, some of the best. reaction about what happened last night. Brett, here's something astounding. And in this, the granular stuff and Bill Himmer does a great job with you on election. But the granular stuff is really fascinating. I'm not even sure you had time in real time to see it. But, you know, I believe that Donald Trump had a narrower margin in New York than Kamala Harris had in either Florida or Texas. In other words,

New York's closer to going red than Texas or Florida are going blue. And New Jersey, similar story in New Jersey. Four points. The demographic groups, to your point, Brett, I mean, he got 30% of New York City, by the way. 30% of New York City. And all those demographic groups went on, it's Jews or Puerto Ricans or Latinos or black men or Muslims. He won in historic numbers. Think about the Madison Square Garden event and how it was portrayed in the media for something that was said by a comedian like three hours before Donald Trump came on stage. Think about the focus on that event, the matching of it to video of a Nazi rally in New York in 1939. Think about that and looking at that and coming away with that impression. And in reality, the big takeaway should have been

tens of thousands of New Yorkers coming out for Donald Trump and really, really, really, making New York closer than it's ever been, to your point, closer than Texas, closer than Florida with the Democrats. I just think there's so much disconnect that it's going to take a long time to digest this loss for Democrats. And they're really going to have to start from scratch to realize what has happened. In the meantime, I think that there is a massive mandate for Donald Trump. He is going to have massive coattails. We don't know the exact number yet in the Senate, but it's going to be big and it is assumed that the house is going to stay republican that is a big thing and he knows what to do because he's been there before so expect i think a lot of things to get

done he said last night promises made promises kept i think they will be uh i feel a little bit guilty putting you on the spot but if there's anybody i could run an unprepared trivia question by when it comes to politics it's brett bear so i just want to play this game for a second right who was John Kerry's running mate in 2004. John Edwards. No? No, wait, wait. Who was it?

Yeah, it was John Edwards. It was Dennis Kucinich, wasn't it? No. Edwards in 04 with Kerry? It was Edwards. Dennis Kucision got second. I can't. Wait, wait, wait, did I get it right and you got it wrong?

We have it on the Wikipedia. Yeah. Who got it wrong? I got it wrong? Yeah. It was John Edwards. I mean, okay, how dare I question, Brett Beck? Here's the point.

Let's see, maybe I have a trivia question for you. No, I'm just. Okay. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, good. Well, okay, here's what I want your trivia question to be for me. Who was Kamala Harris's running mate in 2024? Exactly.

It will be one of the forgotten moments of history. Tim Walz. It is a forgotten answer to a trivia question. Horrible pick. Think about this. Democrats looking back and they lose Pennsylvania, and they look at that and say, how in the world did we not pick Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania?

How? How does that happen? And it happens probably because of the Jewish-Palestinian thing and the war in Hamas and Gaza, I guess. But in reality, that was a tough choice. Yeah, I don't know that it would have made a difference, Brett, if it had been, Shapiro. The depth of this lands. the depth of this landslide is such a statement and to your point a moment ago about the

introspection not just in the media but with democrats will be fascinating i don't know what the response will be and it's going to take them some time today will be the flailing today will be the blaming of white women but over time it will be really fascinating if their answer is to continue to lean further to the left or to try to find some moderate embodied by i'm not sure who yet on the left. Harold Ford Jr. I'm putting them up. He's not smiling. He's going to go from the five to a campaign. They have to find somebody like that, honestly, that bridges the divide and gets over the progressive stuff, starts talking to the middle of the country. There is a middle of the country. And Donald Trump has tapped in. He has changed and realigned the Republican Party. It is now a

worker party. It is now a much broader coalition. He has touched independence who were really frustrated, but there is a center of the country that is desperate to have somebody work across the aisle and get stuff done. And who was Hillary Clinton's running mate in 2016? Tim Kane. Perfect. I knew he would nail it. As he did this appearance. As he did on election night, as he always does on special report, as he always does on Fox News. Really appreciate the time. I know how busy you have been and will be today as well. Appreciate you doing some things here on the Will Cain show. You bet, man. See you.

There goes, Brett Beyer. I don't know what's wrong with the Wollisha. There was a pre-show text going on and there was debate, Edwards Cucinich, and I followed tinfoil Pat, my mistake, following tinfoil Pat instead of Young Establishment, James down the path of Dennis Cucinich.

If you're doing political trivia, don't go with the conspiracy theorist. Don't go with tinfoil Pat. Go with young establishment James. Joining us now on the Will Cain show is our friend and the host of The Truth with Lisa Booth. She's a Fox News contributor and is Lisa Booth now here on the Will Cain show. Good morning, Lisa. Will Cain, two hours of sleep, but so epic to be at the convention center last night in West Palm Beach.

And what a beautiful morning to wake up to a new day in America. So I'm a happy girl. So you were there. You're a happy girl. You were there in Palm Beach. Florida. Tell us what you're killing me experienced last night. Well, you know, it was a long night, right? So, you know, we're standing around forever. My feet were killing me. I kept being like, oh, should I leave? But then I was like, oh, I don't want to miss, you know, history. So I suck around.

And it was just such an incredible moment to see him take the stage after everything they've done to this man. I mean, well, we've been following it, right? They've, he's almost been assassinated. I mean, they've tried to jail him. They've tried to bankrupt him. They've maligned him. They've gone after his family. He's been investigating. I mean, they've done everything to this man. I mean, it's evil, what they've done to him. And then to win in the face of that, not only to win in the face of that, but to have this massive mandate, this massive movement behind him of Americans of all backgrounds,

of all walks of life coming together for, you know, common sense and for our course correction in this country, a We the People moment. And then as I was leaving Will, a bunch of people broke out in Christian hymns. And all were singing together. And I saw people of all different walks of life, all different races, raising their hands in the name of Jesus Christ, in celebrating this win together. And I thought to myself, you know, as much as everyone talks about division in this nation. And, you know, I've been a part of it too. And, you know, not agreeing with the other side and all these different things. But in Singlet, I was really thinking, you know, we really are like one nation under God, right? And all these things that the media and the left have called these Trump supporters, racist, Nazis, fascist, garbage, you know, deplorable, irredeemable, all the whole. all these things. These are good at people, patriotic Americans who just love this country and desperately wanted to write the ship. Why do you think it happened, Lisa? Why was Donald Trump re-elected the president?

I think that people just reached a breaking point. I mean, the government's been shoved down. Like, you know, I was thinking about this the other day, I'm heading into the election night, like, elections shouldn't be this impactful in our lives, right? Like, it should be, you know, a little bit of policy differences here and there. But, you know, it has become because what we've seen is the heavy hand of government has just dominated our lives at the hands of the left. You know, we saw it during COVID when, you know, governors and local leader, they're dictating if you could go to church or not. You know, we had the government trying to force Americans to get an experimental vaccine. They didn't want or they wouldn't be able to feed their kids.

They would lose their jobs, you know, or the censorship we saw during COVID. And then since then we've seen this lawfare against not only Donald Trump, but also against, you know, pro-life Catholic grandmothers. you know, peacefully protesting because they don't want a woman to go get abortion. They want her to think about it. You know, and so I think Americans have just had an, and then also, you know, you've got so many Americans who can't put food on the table. You know, they're maxing out credit cards. And, you know, and these are the issues that care about them. And they see all these people crossing the southern border, yet we're supposed to be putting them up. You know, our taxpayer dollars are supposed to, you know, go towards them. And so I just think it was the left,

ignoring the forgotten men and women that Donald Trump spoke to in 2016. And also just Americans of all walks of life just being sick and tired of the government being shoved on our throats because that's not what America was supposed to be. That's not what we are as a people as a country. That's the antithesis of the existence of America, right? You know, we're supposed to have a decentralized government. And so I just think it was a total rejection of this massive system that has been working against the American people for far too long. Well, you can get more of why Lisa thinks that the nation elected Donald Trump by subscribing over to The Truth with Lisa Booth.

And we always appreciate you jumping here on the will case. Thank you, Lisa. You're so smart. You always make great points. Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me. Thank you, Lisa. Take care.

I promised you a little bit of reaction because it is a guilty pleasure. As I'm watching Brett Baer all night long, I do have to flip over at times and just see the reaction. And so let's share a little bit of that together here. This is Joy Reid last night on MSNBC. Black voters came through for Kamala Harris. White women voters did not. That is what it appears happened in that state, is that if you can't flip enough white women, and we've talked about this on this set numerous times, is that you have a state where you've got a six-week abortion or a 12-week abortion. I think there might be 12 weeks. But it's a state where women lost their reproductive rights, where there was a very heavy push to get women to focus on not

putting in place, you know, re-electing, putting back into the White House, the person who was responsible for taking those rights away and restoring them. But that message, obviously, was not enough to get enough white women to vote for Vice President Harris. The problem last night on MSNBC was white women. When I woke up this morning on MSNBC, Joe Scarborough was explaining that Latino men are also racist, that black men are also racist and misogynist, that the problem is that we haven't quadrupled down yet on calling the country mortally flawed and racist. Let's break that down now with Dr. Gadsad, a friend of the program here on the Will Cain Show, he's a visiting professor and global ambassador, Northwood University.

He's also the author of the parasitic mine and the creator and the host of the sad truth with Dr. Satt. Gad, great to see you this morning. You too. You know, can tell you something before you even jump into asking a question? Yeah. I thought that I would feel good

when I lost a lot of weight during COVID, I feel even better having lost the weight of the looming Kamala Harris taking over. Why do you feel, you are Canadian, you are a Lebanese immigrant. You are, and because this is a dividing line, being drawn today, Dr. said, you are educated because this is also being laid at the feet of the uneducated. You are actually many of the things that someone would say should be in a voting

coalition for Kamala Harris, at least if not on your ballot spiritually. But why do you feel this liberation today? Yeah, no, thank you. That's a great question. I discussed it actually in X-Spaces that I just finished because I'm defending universal ideals, right? So, So in chapter one in the person, like, man, I talked about the two guiding ideals that shape my life are truth and freedom. And those are universal, right? They're not restricted to people in the United States or to Canada or in Kazakhstan. If you believe in truth and freedom, there is no conceivable pathway by which you would

think that Kamala Harris and the Democrats are the party to support. And by the way, since Canada, you know, there's an old expression that says when the United States sneezes, Canada catches a cold. So I may be in a different country, but I'm your neighborly, you know, cousin, so to speak, and therefore what happens in the United States certainly affects me. You know, I was just having a discussion with Fox's chief political analyst and the host and executive editor of Special Report, Brett Bayer, talking about where this can leave Democrats going forward. Can they pick a candidate who is more moderate? the problem with that potentiality are said in my estimation is that the first principles

of a democracy of the things that you want to hold dear of a free people are exactly the principles that have been jettisoned by Democrats to your point and I don't know of many people on the left even those not running for office I'm talking about those walking the streets who have shown a fidelity to the concept of free speech who have shown a fidelity to objective reality, who've shown a fidelity to judging individuals as individuals and not their identities. And I don't know how you can rehabilitate the left simply by picking a different person at the top of the left. I agreed. And actually, I mean, more generally, I think the architecture of the human mind is such that it is profoundly difficult for people

to ever admit that they were wrong, especially when it's about an anchored position that defines their personhood, right? So I was recently asked on a show, what is the singular phenomenon that has most surprised me about human behavior and human nature in my 30 plus years as a behavioral scientist? And I paused for a minute, and I said the inability for people to change their minds, even if I give you incontrovertible, unassainable tsunami of evidence. So regrettably, never mind that as the Democrats were talking about here, it's just most people don't have the epistemological humility to say, hey, I was wrong. That's what makes someone like Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Megan Kelly so extraordinary because they did hold different views. One of them didn't like Trump. Now she

loves him. Joe Rogan and Elon Musk used to be of the left. Now they're no longer of the left. They were big supporters of Donald Trump. So I think to your point, it's going to be very difficult for most Democrats, whether they be party affiliated or just the guys walking on the street, could change their opinions. And I think part of that, Dr. Sadd, is that it's become, because it becomes ingrained in your identity. You bring up Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Megan Kelly. I would put myself in this same bucket.

In that, although never even close to someone who would have been described on the left, I had trouble in the beginning in 2016 coming around to Donald Trump. now that doesn't make me unique but the way that i was able to come around and and my wife and i discussed this last night she said um it's a lack of ego and that sounds like a a huge compliment to yourself or to pat yourself on the back but what i think that what she's alluding to and what i'm what i'm now suggesting is my identity wasn't wrapped up in my opposition to donald trump my identity wasn't wrapped up in seeing those that disagree with me as racist or not sees. It was simply trying to understand reality around me. And then perhaps like Joe Rogan or Elon Musk,

as you are able to better and more accurately describe and live within reality, you can make adjustments. But for too many people on the left, there's no attempt to even see reality because it's about their perception. I had a guy yesterday on my show, a leftist who told me Donald Trump was racist, and he said perception is reality. And I think that's his problem, that you're living within your perception, and that's why you'll never be able to learn from reality. Yeah, I agree with everything you said, and let me just add a little twist to it. So I inhabit the ecosystem that has the most number of parasitized people. They're called professors. It's the academic, you know, ecosystem.

And to see my colleagues this morning, so let's say on my personal Facebook page, many of my friends on my personal will be colleagues, right? And these are colleagues that are not, you know, marine biologists. Usually they're colleagues in my discipline, psychology, behavioral science, decision-making, evolutionary psychology. So you would think that if you've spent your entire life studying decision-making, studying persuasion, you might have some sense of introspection. Well, I'm here to tell you that the lunacy that they're exhibiting on my Facebook page is so disheartening because not one of them has stood on top of the mouth and said, you know, in retrospect, I may have been wrong about.

about X, Y, Z. They're just doubling down on how much most Americans are degenerate deplorables. It's grotesque. And then here's the reality that they have to confront. So Donald Trump won historic margins for a Republican of black men, 20% of black men. He won, and I don't have to ballpark it because I actually have it here with precision. He won 54,000. percent of Latino men. At that, he won 37 percent of Latino women. He actually won 52 percent of white women. He won with Jews. He won New York City in historic proportions. He didn't win it outright, but he won historical numbers for a Republican in New York City, probably a no part by

the movement of Jews. At the same time, he won Muslims in Michigan. If he won Muslims in Michigan, if he was, in fact, a racist Nazi. He's the worst racist Nazi in history. He keeps winning over minorities. So here's the point. Remember earlier I said the most difficult thing is for a human mind to change their opinion despite incontrovertible, unassailable evidence. Well, you just gave me all that data. And guess what? I'm now speaking as the prototypical academic. La, la, la, la, I don't want to hear it. All the data. All the data. this demonstrates is how satanic white supremacy is in that it is convincing the Jews to vote for the Nazis. It is convincing the black men to vote for the KKK Grand Wizard. That's only

showing how diabolical he is, Will, you're not convincing me. So you see, that's what makes it so galling for me because I can't have meaningful conversations with supposed colleagues who are meant to be smart and educated. Do you think, how would you predict the next six months, one year, and four years of a political climate in America? It's my guess, Dr. Sad, that the next six months could be quite fever-pitched, that it will continue to be the end of our democracy. I do think that Donald Trump's life still remains in jeopardy, especially now that every other

mechanism from the legal system to the election process has been exhausted. I think that only heightens probabilities that there's one final thing that can be done to stop Donald Trump. But then my thought is after a little while of flailing, like a cornered animal or a dying animal who lashes out, then there will be acceptance. There's denial. Then there's acceptance. And perhaps a year down the road, sanity will begin to be restored. This is my, this is my prediction and I guess perhaps my hope. And then, and perhaps even with the Donald Trump presidency that is a unifying presidency and much different than the one that is predicted, they move on. That's sort of my six-month, one-year, four-year prediction. How do you see the political climate in America?

I completely agree. I almost said the exact same thing to my wife this morning. I said, I mean, I mean, literally almost the same words. I said, look, now that all of the mechanisms of getting him out have failed, I really worry that there's only one more thing that can be done, which is let's literally physically go after him. But I do share your optimism that once that insanity kind of wanes, that maybe you might have a very productive mandate, that said, I want to warn against complacency

that now that Donald Trump has come in, the battle has won. It took between 50 to 100 years, for these parasitic ideas to first be spawned on academic campuses and then proliferate into all nooks and cranium society. We need to dismantle that. And it's going to take a lot more than a successful term by Donald Trump and then J.D. Vance following for that to be reversed. The battle goes on for the soul of our societies

and for our human capacity to reason. That's going to be much longer than the tenure of Donald Trump. You are a philosopher. You're a thinker. I think you are also a political observer and you're also a man of the world. So I don't want to put you in a position where I think you are not versed, but I think that you are versed when I ask you this question. This, what has happened in the United States would not be surprised if we placed into the context of things that have happened across the world. Incumbents have lost as inflation has been out of control globally. Change has been on the ballot in almost every country. There has also been a populist movement. Many have described it. The tractors have described it as a far right movement everywhere from Argentina to Hungary. But those movements predate this reelection of Donald Trump. So we've had some chance to see how does the pendulum swing over time? You know, how does it swing in Europe? I'm curious, you know, this is a high moment, but politics is always about a pendulum. Maybe the victorious party overextends themselves in some way. What do you think, if we're looking at the model of Europe, could be the way there is a backlash or a pendulum given some time here in America? Look, I'm optimistic because to your point, you're right that there are many of these auto-corrective mechanisms that are happening around the world.

But again, I don't want people to be complacent. So you have an incoming president who may put a stop to immigration. But that's not enough. You have to deport millions of people. without doing that, it's like saying, I stop the fact that I'm 200 pounds overweight, but I'll never do the effort to lose the weight. You have to reverse the trends. So, for example, in Montreal, Canada, I no longer recognize Montreal,

because everywhere I turn, there are veiled women. So I've seen more veiled women in a single day in Montreal than I did in my entire life growing up in the Middle East. That is a problem, right? So even if you were to stop immigration from such countries today, that doesn't mean that you're going to address the fact that there are millions of people in your society that don't share your foundational values. So I am partly optimistic, but a lot more work needs to be done for us to regain our enlightened societies. All right. Dr. Gad said it's always great to talk to you. It's great to talk to you on the deeper issues of this day. You can always, if you're listening or watching, go check out his deeper thoughts in full with the parasitic mind.

He's got several great books for you to check out. And he as well has The Sad Truth with Dr. Sad, which you can watch and listen to whenever you would like. Really appreciate the conversation, Dr. Gad said. Thank you, sir. Great to be with you. Cheers. All right. This is a big edition of the Will Kane Show. We're going two hours today, still coming up today. We have David Marcus and Selena Zito. Let's break down the numbers.

Let's get into the states. Let's get into the Senate. Let's get into the House. What is the political, not climate, but what is the political landscape for the next two to four years? We're also having Tyrus and Kennedy and Sean Davis all joining us. Stick around on the Will Cain Show. Donald Trump is the 47th president of the United States. We've talked about.

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the Will Kane Show. Speaking of stupid, can we just, boys in New York, can we just talk about what happened? On our pre-show text chain, can we just discuss how tin foil Pat had me believing that Dennis Kucinich was John Kerry's running mate and then had me like, like I'm a condescending political analyst on MSNBC. All I needed some glasses to put on, horned rim, tortoise shell glasses. Ask Brett Bayer a quiz question before he just dunked on me like Jordan on some midget.

I looked like a fool because Patrick told me I'm, it was Cucinich. And James, you knew it was John. I feel like I just felt like John Edwards was earlier, like the 90s. The 90s is Clinton Gore. Well, what happened was Cucinich was, was the last guy to drop out in the 2004 Democratic primary.

So I guess that's where it got mixed up. But it was honestly good that Brett heard everything after and kind of got some greater context for what went on. I think that kind of at least he saved our image of him in his mind. He was gracious in his victory. As gracious as Michael Jordan can be dunking on Spike Webb. But I think I'm getting John Edwards in my mind a little. mixed up with the, the guy who ran for president as a, is a Democrat who cheat on his wife.

I mean, I'm like 15 years bomb. That's him. It was Gary. Yes, you did. I'm thinking of Gary Hart. And then later it was John Edwards did that as well. And I just mixed the two face jocks up, the two unfaithful face jocks up that are Democrats. All right.

So if you weren't here earlier, Brett Baer dunked on me on a quiz question. I tried to present to him because here's my contention. Tim Walts is the answer to a four guy. He's the forgotten answer to a trivia question you will be asked in a matter of months. He's forgotten to history. The dancing queen running mate of Kamala Harris with his jazz hands and high steps will be forgotten to the dustbin of history. And I would offer to you as well that Kamala Harris is going to be one of the most least remembered presidential candidates in our nation's history. I've also promised you today a little bit of Schadenfreude, a little bit of joy, a little bit of what's going on on MSNBC.

So let's check in now, if we can, with Simone Sanders on MSNBC. Where is my camera? He was not the solution. Okay. I will just note that it is probably not the best idea that Democrats orchestrated a very public stab fest, a proverbial stabbing in the front of the sitting president of the United States of America and then didn't use him in his hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania. I will defer to Mr. Lewis. yeah that was first take style where's my camera and then look directly into the camera getting some attitude i mean i've seen that before from stephen a smith as some uh as some real attitude there on

msnbc it's been somewhat glorious it's been somewhat glorious we'll keep sharing you the clips if anybody out there is getting clips from the view please send them my way i haven't yet been able to check in with joy bahar uh but checking in now because we want to figure out not just how and not just why this happened, but where Donald Trump was elected president of the United States. Let's talk to our friend David Marcus, Fox News.com, columnist. He's been on the road throughout this election cycle and joining us here on the Will Can Show. He's also the author of Sharrade, the COVID lies that crushed the nation. What's up, David?

Hey, man, how you doing? Feeling pretty good today. All right, don't come here today in your Morrissey T-shirt and your MSNBC glasses and tell me you saw this coming. because we checked in with you on a week-to-week basis, and you were in Pennsylvania. And if I'm being honest, I didn't even feel confident yesterday morning when I was in North Carolina, David. It wasn't until, I guess, I'm going to go mid-afternoon that I started to think, hey, this is

looking really good for Donald Trump. Yeah, I did think this was coming. And I can actually prove it. If you go back about two weeks, I had a tweet where I said, if Kamala Harris spends the last 10 days of this election talking about Trump being a fascist, she's going to lose the popular vote and she'll deserve to. Because it was utterly clear to me on the ground, not certainly in Pennsylvania, but also in Virginia and North Carolina and Ohio and everywhere, people needed to know who she was.

They needed a positive message and she absolutely refused to give them one. It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen. I mean, she just would not give these people a reason to vote for her, so they didn't. If you are going to sit here and tell me about your predictive powers on Twitter, I'm going to hold you a account not making those same level of predictions here when you had the multiple chances on the Will Kane show. Breaking this down with David today. I want to bring in Selena Zito.

She's a nationally syndicated political reporter. She, like David, very plugged in. Selena knows a thing or two about Pennsylvania. Why this happened, where this happened. Don't be bashful and humble, Selena. everyone knows how you know Pennsylvania. So, how surprised were you that, I mean, Pennsylvania was called last night. We thought this could go till Friday.

This is an overwhelming win for Trump. Oh, yeah. I said that on Fox yesterday morning, it was going to be called last night. And I said he was going to win. It's not, look, it's not that I'm brilliant. It's not that I'm clairvoyant. It's just that I'm old. and I have been around my state for a very, very long time.

I have seen how the coalitions have changed beginning in 2006. People don't realize that's the moment it happened was 2006, when the Republicans lost. So why do you think that they would eventually be the beneficiary of those voters? Well, that's because in that election, that's when they lost the house. the Senate, after, you know, having it since 1994, since the contract for America, was because voters didn't love, they kept telling me, we don't love Democrats more, we're just really pissed at the Republicans. And so they were given the opportunity to vote for Democrats, pro-life, pro-gun, think Patrick

Murphy in Bucks County, Jason Miltmeyer in Beaver County in Pennsylvania. These are conservative Democrats who look very much like the coalition that exists today. And Republican and independent voters crashed hard towards these voters, these candidates. And I said at the time, if they go in there, these Democrats that win, Rahm Emanuel is brilliant in picking these candidates. But if they go in there and think they won because people love them, they're going to be out in four years. And that's exactly what happened. Because they weren't part of the Democratic coalition. They were a populist movement of independent Republican Democrat voters

who were looking for a home and hadn't quite figured it out yet. So yeah, I was not surprised at all. I knew exactly that he was going to win. I knew basically by how much he was going to win. And again, it's not because I'm brilliant or like I'm a time traveler. But I just studied and I live in Western Pennsylvania. I just studied and know these voters because they're in my backyard. Well, that's why you need to watch the Wilcane show, because I happen to be blessed today with two of the biggest Nostradamus and political analysis here,

Selena Zito and David Marcus. David, I'm going to ask you then, though, to give me your biggest surprise, because, I mean, I was also a little taken aback last night as how quickly Wisconsin was called for Donald Trump. So if you look at the map, David, and as it was coming in yesterday and last night, which is the one that said that kind of had you go, whoa? Well, I had pointed to it as a possibility. I thought that Trump was going to do better in Virginia than the polling suggested. I thought he had a chance to win. And he did really, really well in Virginia. I mean, he did really well in Loudoun County, which is sort of north of D.C.

He did really well in places that he was not supposed to do well in. And I guess where that sort of leaves me, and I knew that it would because, you know, to Salina's point, it's not about being brilliant. It's really just about talking to people. People will tell you. And not only will they tell you what they're thinking, they'll tell you what their friends and their family, and you start to understand how this like real world interweb of personalities are forming a narrative together.

So look, if Republicans can be competitive in places like Loudoun County, and if turnout is so low in places like Philadelphia, the post-Trump GOP has the opportunity to really have some generational power if they play their cards the right way. So I want Selena, you to explain this to me. if you can. Um, my question, okay, I have started this show today. My opening monologue here today was not so much about the biggest losers in this election. I wanted to talk about what I think is an embrace of Trumpism and Trump's personality and Trump's economy and Trump's vision of America. But there are still losers. And I, I focused on, and so did my discussion with Brett

Bayer, just the, the, the incredible loss, not of credibility, but of influence of legacy mainstream media. but then another loser here, Selena, has to be pollsters because they're all wrong. They were all wrong. And most notably, the specific one I wanted to ask you about was the Iowa poll that everybody was talking about the day or two before the election, this noted pollster in Iowa that said that Trump was going to lose Iowa or barely win Iowa, which would tell us how it would go with the nation. What's going on with pollsters?

Okay, but here's the problem with pollsters, is that pollsters. is that pollsters, most of them live where, and one of the ten most, or operate, out of one of the ten most popular, wealthy and powerful counties in this country in Washington or New York. So they're not pulling the people that they don't have the right universe. They don't understand what the electorate is because they don't know anyone like that. There's too many assumptions. You know, everyone went, and I said this on Fox yesterday as well. Everyone kept saying gender gap, gender gap with women. And I'm like, I think, and this is before the first, I was six in a morning, before the first vote was cast on election day, I said, I think at the end of the day, what we're going to see is not a gender gap, but a marriage gap, where we're going to see single women, but incredibly different.

than women with children, married or unmarried. Women with children, it doesn't matter if they're married or not. There is a very, very big difference. The other thing is I don't, and I wrote about this in my book, I highly recommend people get it, not because I wrote it, because it laid all of this out a few years ago. It's called The Great Revolt. And, you know, all suburbs are not created equal.

people think that a suburb in northern Virginia, a suburban voter there, suburban female voter in particular, is going to behave the same way a suburban voter in Allegheny County is going to, or Philadelphia, or Bucks, or Erie. They're not. Even if they went to the same college, have the same college education, were in the same sorority, because of the density of college. college education in their county that they live in, like to David's point, you tend to vote your community as opposed to your education status if you live in a county that has a majority working class population. That sounds like a lot of in the weeds, but it's to David's point and you've got to get to know and understand people because people vote their community. The blind spot with our profession, and David, you can tell me if you disagree, the blind spot in our, in our profession is that they think there's these three different silos, working class white, working class Latinos, working class blacks. No, they all live in the same, they don't have the same cultural touchstones. They all live in the same community. They are, they, they, they, they're, you know, ushers in the church together. They, they come.

coach their kids, baseball teams. They are culturally connected. Race does not, starts to fade when you are that connected. Right. Yeah. I'd also, I just, really interesting. If I can just for a second on the question of the polling, because I've been thinking about this a lot,

because they're always wrong. I mean, two decades. There's no time in the last 20 years, we can point out. And so, boy, they really, they really nailed it. But we keep going back to it. I think there's a misconception about the relationship between polling and messaging. I think that we tend to look at it, say, like, okay, well, we look at this poll, we're not

doing well with these people, we're doing better with these people, that determines what our messaging should be, and then we go out and we do that message. The problem with that is that 90% of political messaging completely fails, never saturates, right? I'm curious if Salient agrees with me, you know what, never saturated, J.D. Vance is weird. It was all over the media. I never met a single person who actually believed that J.D. Vance was weird. It just wasn't there, right?

So what happens is a handful of these messages actually do saturate. And when somebody like Selena and I go into a town, oh, this is actually a thing that they're talking about. That then moves the polls. What did? Yes. And then the cycle. Saturated. Of those handful of things in this election that saturated, what did you hear?

Springfield saturated, right? Once the sort of racism died down and people understood that this was 10,000 migrants, 15,000 migrants, dropped on this town, and we saw that it was happening in Charleroi and other places. That absolutely saturated. I think that in a negative way, you know, the Hitler stuff saturated. The RFK Jr. endorsement absolutely saturated. Oh, yeah. The teams are not endorsing saturated.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You really jumped on the RFK.

Yeah. ROK. Okay, for sure. I mean, and it's nuanced, right? It's not like R of K Jr., the name, right? Because he's kind of a quirky dude and he's all over the place. However, he represents a very nuanced important things

that people don't talk about. Two things that stand out to me. First of all, it's the Catholic thing. Holy heck, what is wrong with Democrats and their disdain for Catholicism, people of faith? Right? And so there's that. And there's a lot of Catholics in Pennsylvania. But there's also this thing, and I see this. I have a daughter who's 38 years old. She has four children. She has a group of friends that they all went to college together. They all have lots of children. And so what resonates to them is they're very aware, especially because they were college athletes, very aware of healthy eating. It's very important for them as moms. to keep themselves healthy, but also for their children. And the way that he talked about it really, really resonated with them.

I mean, my daughter said, and this was in the primary process before Trump won, she said, well, if Trump doesn't win, I'm voting for RFK. And I was like, and I said, why? And she said, well, he talks a lot of truth about health. And, you know, and that's really important to me. And so that female suburban vote, college educated, right, completely young, right, completely missed because they don't understand someone. And that goes back to the whole thing where I talked about about cultural curators and pollsters, right? They don't know anybody like David or me, right?

Because they're in those counties of wealth. That goes for corporate media. That goes for corporations. think Budweiser, that goes for the NFL, think Colin Kaepernick. They don't have anybody in their decision-making boardrooms that has a state degree from a state college that went to a community college. There's no cultural diversity. That's why they keep missing things.

You remember, over 60% of the people in this country do not have a college education. And they're not failing. They're not dumb. They own small businesses. their hairdressers, their welders, their plumbers. Yeah, they have no idea how to message to these people. I mean, over the last couple of days, maybe the most ridiculous thing in this entire ridiculous campaign

that the Harris people ran, was this whole thing about there's millions of women who are worried that their husband's going to beat them if they tell them that they vote for Trump? This is, I mean, this is madness. First of all, if this is a thing, it was surely, It was surely a thing in 16 and 20, right, which means presumably some of these women who

experienced that are single now, and we could have seen a bunch of them on an ad, right? No, because they don't exist. This is like a fever dream of people in, you know, Manhattan and at the Hamptons who just imagine that this is how people in Ohio and Indiana live. It's not remotely connected to reality. Can I just tell you what I love about, here's what I love about both you're saying. first of all, on those, first, on the way that everybody lives within their own bubble and the mainstream media and the polling industry reflect that, that I've experienced that personally.

And in that when I was at ESPN, they used to always talk about diversity, both the one thing that they didn't have was diversity of thought. And we're not just talking about diversity of thought. We're talking about diversity of upbringing. I am educated. I went to law school and I went to a private college. But I'm also from a very small town in Texas. And I have cultural touch points that lets me know exactly, you know, at least some portion of America. But most people didn't, to your point, Selena, they're totally disconnected. And what I like about what you said, Selena, is they see the world through silos. And those silos are essentially vertical columns on a spreadsheet. And you are placed in one of those vertical columns. And once you're in that

column, that's who you are. You're a digit on that column. And what you described, Selena, was a nation, was a community, a neighborhood, a community, a town, into a state and into a nation that's interwoven with lives soccer sidelines or church or work where yes black white rich poor all these people work together and live together and that's why you can't play

these games that are being played i don't know that's what i love about what you had to say um but here with the few minutes we have left i want to ask one question to both of you well i'm going to go to selina and then one question for both you i asked david his his biggest surprise for you selina i mean i read

bucks county pennsylvania didn't i I mean, when's the last time it went Republican, like in the 1980s, maybe? Yeah, I knew it was going to, I wrote a story about it. I knew it was gone. It's been gone. It's a working class county. Yes, there are some rich suburbs, but there are suburban voters, as to my point before, when you have a lot of, Todd and I talked about buckskin and sheepskin, right,

buckskin being like a hunter and the working class and sheepskin being educated, When you have a concentrate, when you have a county like that, you tend to work with a vote like each other. Nothing surprised me. Everything that I thought what happened would happen. This is what I want to ask you both. We'll go, David and Selena. Do you think this thing that we're describing, whatever has been built that Selena describes starting in 2006 and really coalesces around Donald Trump, is it durable? Is this voting coalition, which seems to a lot of us fairly new, is it?

durable, David? Yeah, I think it is. And I actually date its birth a little earlier than 06. I go all the way back to 1992. So there were two characters in that election. One was Ross Perot, billionaire businessman, wanted to close down the border, didn't like globalism, right? Sounds familiar. The other was Pat Buchanan, who wanted to fight the culture war. You put those two together. You get something that looks an awful lot like Donald Trump, who himself ran for president on the reform party ticket in 2000. So I think that that's always been dormant. As Selena points out, you get to the Tea Party and it starts to really surface.

And yeah, I mean, this is the GOP now. I mean, Liz Cheney's not coming back. Beyond Donald Trump, is it durable, Selena? Absolutely. This is the new Republican Party. Look, I think the biggest mistake that people, the not going to say lie, misnomer that they believe is that he created this coalition. No, he's the result of it.

And to David's point, about 92, you know, I would argue you're probably right. That was the infancy of it. I actually have a chapter in my book called Paroistas named after Ross Perrault, the voters that come out, sort of like Haley's comment every 100 years. They were part of this electorate and their descendants are as well. You know, this is very, very durable. The Republican Party is the party of work, period. And any party that has the party of work, the working class, always win.

That's why the New Deal Coalition worked for how many years, right, 40, 50 years, until Barack Obama decided to shed it in not in 2008. He kept it intact, but in 12, he decided to shed it. people tend to forget in Pennsylvania in 2012, he had 300,000 less voters in my state than he did in 2008. Now, they didn't go to Romney. They just stayed home. Yeah. All right. What a fascinating discussion. David, I really appreciate you've been a part of this show in the lead-up to this election on a weekly basis, giving voice to things that you and Selina are giving voices today on the Wilcane show. It's been incredibly invaluable to us, and I appreciate that. Selena, whenever we have an opportunity to have you on the show, this is the result.

It's a very enlightening, smart conversation, and I really appreciate both of you spending some time today with this on the Will Cain Show. Thank you, Will. Thanks so much. All right. Okay, don't go anywhere. Record viewership today here on the Will Cain show, something like 3, 400,000 of you watching live as we speak.

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who keeps winning over minorities. We have been not simply subjected to bias, and we have moved far beyond agenda. We have gone well into the realm of propaganda, and propaganda is designed to control your mind. So while the tombstone on credibility has already been written, what we are witnessing in this funeral is the death of the influence of legacy mainstream media. America may have heard you, CBS, but America is ignoring you, CNN. You are impotent. God rest your soul, mainstream media. Tyrus is running late, wandering around the building on the 15th floor, perhaps, of the headquarters at 1211 Avenue Americas. But while Tyrus is late, Kennedy is early. Hello.

And Kennedy, the host of Kennedy Saves the World, right here at Fox News podcast, if you're listening and watching as well. Go over and subscribe to Kennedy Saves the World. They will. I trust them. I trust the Willisha Kennedy. I love the Willisha. They're well armed. They're rational, and we're ready for it.

I'm getting cheers in the control room. Do you feel like what happened last night in America was rational? In that, it was predictable and it was right for America. I felt like what happened was a really bad candidate was inserted into the race. And because she had that legacy media on her side, she assumed that she would win. she wasn't challenged. There was no vigilance.

There was no focus. They let her go about by, you know, you're absolutely right, propagandizing some of the slogans and adjectives that would benefit her most. And they do that thinking that the electorate is going to march and lockstep with them because they have taken that for granted. But what they didn't do was they didn't put. put her through the necessary crucible, but they also didn't focus on the issues that people were screaming about the entire time and have been for a few years now, namely how much the economy is hurting them and how just because the numbers are better for aspects of the U.S. economy than they are in Western Europe. That doesn't mean that people can pay their

bills. And people have had a hard time paying their bills for a few years now. So what do you do? You either borrow money or you run up your credit cards and people did both as long as they could. And now it's gotten to the point for a lot of people where they can't borrow money because interest rates are too high and they've maxed out their credit cards. And so when they hear that Bidenomics is working and this is the best economy in the world, what people in charge are saying is shut up, get in line and be thankful. And the media also took that directive. So you'd see pundits and chin scratchers on CNN and MSNBC saying, you know, President Biden really deserves a lot of credit for this. This economy is incredible.

Theoretically, it might be. But for 70% of Americans, they were saying, no, something is wrong. Please make it right. There really was an intruder in the house. It wasn't a three-year-old waking mom and dad up because they were worried there was a monster under the bed. But they were treated like that. Go back to bed. Get in line. Vote how we tell you. And when that didn't happen,

they had the same kind of surprise they did when Joe Biden completely fumbled that debate. And they were sitting around going, what? This man can't put two sentences together? You mean he's old and incompetent? What are you talking about? And it's like, no, no, no, you were the ones telling us,

Joe Biden can run circles around everyone. So last night, as the return started coming in, they ran out of people to blame because they blamed Joe Biden for a long time. And now with Kamalaherst, and they didn't have the heart to blame her. She never had the stuff to be running in the first place. And shame on them for propping this up. Shame on them for not going, well, maybe we should have a microprimary. You know, maybe we should have a few people like Gavin Newsom and Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Widmer. throw their hats in the ring and really just have at it for a few rounds of jiu-jitsu.

And then we can see who emerges with competence, wherewith-all, and some good ideas. And maybe something that looks like a plan that will help the people who can't get loans and can't pay their bills. But they didn't do that. So now what did they resort to on MSNBC last night and this morning? Race baiting. They resorted to blaming, you know, Joy Reed. blames white women because, you know, abortion was on the ballot in North Carolina and they didn't show up and they had their second opportunity to challenge the patriarchy and white women didn't

do it. And then this morning on, you know, Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough and Al Sharpton were wagging their fingers. How dare they? Those Hispanic men, those African American men, how dare they? We need to have an honest conversation. And it's like, you're putting people into boxes. where they don't belong. They are not comfortable. And that's not how they're voting because you didn't listen to them the entire time. This was not a secret. There were no secret Kamala voters who were going into the booth like my husband told me to vote for Donald Trump, but I'm voting for Kamala. Even though she's so horrible, I have to whisper it. I can't tell him. I can't be proud of the fact that I'm voting for a woman to be president. That didn't happen. And now they just called, they just called Michigan for President Trump. So the blue wall was an... Landslide. You know, as much as the economy is such an important part of this election,

I really like that line you just gave us of they ran out of people to blame because I think as much as the economy was also the condescension. Condescension is inherent in propaganda, but it was also just obvious as part of the tone. Like, you're stupid, you're garbage, you're racist, you're Nazi, if you don't agree. And at some point, it's kind of logical that if you keep... calling so many people this they don't want to vote for you for president by the way uh you pointed out

this morning on msnbc uh the line from al sharpton and joe scarborough was that we don't remember how racist latino men can be towards blacks and we don't remember how black men can be so misogynistic towards women so let's bring in a black man to join this conversation let's bring in tyrus uh he's with us now to join both me and kennedy he's the best-selling author of nuff said he's on gut Feld. He's also the host of Tyrus and the Wise Men at Fox News podcast. I have now Tyrus and Kennedy on the Will King Show. Tyrus, why do you hate women and why did you lose the race for Kamala Harris? Oh, I'm sorry. Good morning. Good morrow, everyone. I am now known as Tyrus Domus. Okay. All right. First of all, Kennedy, I've seen this. I've seen this victory lab.

I will withhold my misogynistic anger towards you. I will put that because of the you, Horic. Oh, I sing, I called this three months ago. Listen, this all started, and I have to thank, Will, I have to thank you personally for this. I had no idea of my secret powers of being able to see into the future. It happened with the Mavs and Celtics, right? Then I meet President Trump and he calls me the goat. I had no idea what he was referring to. And then all blackness. and anger aside. I said exactly what would happen to the Yankees with the Dodgers, literally three minutes before it happened. Don't bring it up. That's how fun I am right now. And then I said this was the landslide

when the popular, Higley, over 300 in the electoral. This would be over by 10.05, West Coast time. I apologize. I was off by 20 minutes, and I blame CNN, and I blame Brett Bear for being a little cautious, not calling Pennsylvania when he should have, but it's all good. Listen, this isn't a black.

black thing, it's not a Mexican thing, it's not a woman thing, it's not a man thing, it's not a American thing. You cannot spit in the face of the American public and have a president who doesn't know what time it is and expect us to believe that he is the quickest guy in the room. Pelosi and them took a calculator risk. The progressive movement is dead. Mainstream media is dead because of one thing, the American people, I call this the Bud Light election. They thought they could tell us just like the CEO. What did she say? What was the word, Will?

It's a little fratty. And progressives said we're a little too manly. And men showed up of all colors, gay, straight, black, white, yellow. Why don't we getting on to Asian? Because they voted too. So I think everybody voted. This is a landslide. President Trump, Hitler got the popular vote.

Enough said. Like this was a referendum of a Muslim vote. and the Jewish vote. Hitler got all the votes. He's won all the minorities. Game ball goes to Sunny Holston. I don't think we could have done it without her. That was incredible.

I hope you saw her meltdown today. I wanted to send her some flowers because she really completed the circle. I have all the flowers right now. I need somebody tell me. I didn't see it on the view. No. I didn't watch the view either. I didn't have to.

But if it wasn't for Greg Gutfell is obsessed with the view. So I had to watch the, is there anything that? you would change. She wrote it down. She practiced it. Game ball for that. It was on a beautiful piece of paper. And she was like, nothing comes to mind. Thank you.

So we got to hand on a lot of game balls. I think it's not that deep. This is not a deep thing. You don't have to form a coalition to go, hmm, how did this happen? Tell us what happened. You lied. You lied. You're dishonest. D.E.

hires don't work. pronouns are dead, mainstream media. You saw what America thinks of you. So there's an opportunity for growth here, but we're not seeing it. I was outside in the sunlight. Has there been a concession speech yet? Because I was outside. I was playing outside.

Six o'clock tonight. No, it's actually, she switched it to four. So it was supposed to be. Kennedy, why have you been on the breaking news? Kenny, you've been breaking news on Kamla's schedule today. You are the one breaking Kamala schedule. Because she should have come out last night. She should have waited because that's,

that a leader does. And part of being a leader means you confront difficulty in the moment. And you don't get a pass because you're a woman. You don't get a pass because your feelings were hurt. That makes you soft. And if you are going to lead the free world, you're going to stand up and you're going to say, you know what? I didn't quite do it this time. And I'm sorry. I'm going to have a deep look at this. But we came up short. And I want to thank all. all of you who supported me. And, you know, I feel this deeply and it really hurts. People would have a great deal of respect for that.

But when you send your guy out like Hillary Clinton did in 2016, she sent John Podesta out. I don't know how they got all that cover up on his face because reportedly, she threw a face at his head. He came out like, yeah, there's still, there's still votes to be counted. No, that was in a book. That was two reporters wrote a book about Hillary Clinton after the election. And that anecdote was in there from eyewitnesses. But, you know, to have someone go out there and be like, there's still votes to be counted, it's like, yeah, there are a few, but she's already lost. And she has no path to victory.

Listen, I saw Will do the same thing. Game six, we're up. And he's like, hey, there's still 30 seconds left, guys. We still got this. All we need is 17.3. Tyrus, you just keep adjusting your camera. You got the power shot. We see what you've done here.

You put the light behind you so we can't see you. You're just a shadow. You're trying to adjust your camera. I wanted everyone to feel the aura because this is what it feels like to be. Because you understand for the last three and a half years, men like myself and you have been the problem. We have been fathers want to protect their daughters. We were the problem. Parents wanted to know what's going on in school.

We're domestic terrorists. If Kennedy didn't know the pronoun of every person that she walked by, she was obtuse. and completely going against the women thing because it's not men didn't decide this election women didn't decide this like we all decided 50% like this was across the board i agree and it's not even about Kamala to be honest with you she was never in the game it was it was about the machine behind her it was about the media the saddest thing about this is you want to close this chapter. But when MSDNC comes on and starts race baiting, it's like they just don't get it. Nobody, you ruined the word racism.

Quadrupling down. Racism doesn't mean anything. Racism is now somebody I don't like. Right. So I need to ask Kennedy two things. One, Kennedy, what did Sonny Hoston do today on the view? Oh, it was the same thing. She was just saying, I thought that we would have a moment where, you know, a woman, a biracial woman married to a Jewish man, could become president. But I guess not. There are too many cultural implications. So, you know, she's basically doing what Joy Reid did with a slightly...

She had showerhead also. All of them had shower head. You know what? The worst haircut this morning, Joe Scarborough. He looked like Lloyd Bridge is an airplane when he goes, I picked the wrong week to quit sniff and glue. That's what Joe Scarborough looked like this morning. I'm like, I know you're in studio because Willie's there and dingbat McGillicuddy. So you've got a hair person there, Joe.

You know, it's like, we're all tired. They all didn't do their hair. I was watching MSNBC as well, Kennedy. The worst hair on MSNBC was John Kasich. They had the former governor of Ohio Republican. And I think he doesn't do anything. I think he rolls out of bed and it's all mashed this way. And he's like, cool, don't touch it.

I'm happy. Kennedy, my second question, though, is what Tyra said, the self-reflection thing. And the reason I ask you this, you know, Tyrus has spent a lot of his life in Louisiana. I live in Texas. I did spend 15 years in New York. I know you're in the northeast now, Tyrus. But, Kenny, I think you are pretty plugged in with a diverse set of friends across the political spectrum. And I really wish I had a spy cam across living rooms on the Upper West Side. So what I want to know is, do you think with firsthand exposure to a lot of these people, there will be any self-reflection? No, absolutely not. They are allergic to it.

They've known they were wrong all along. And it was like Kamala answering questions about the border. If you give an inch on that, if you admit any fault and take any accountability, it just goes to show that your entire worldview was wrong. You can't be a little bit wrong when you're in for a penny, in for a pound. And it's the same thing with a lot of these delusional supporters. And there's not going to be reflection because they need division in order to stay alive. It is their oxygen.

They cannot. You know, it's like, Tyrus said it's not about coalitions. They will never make a coalition with someone that they have othered and demonized. They need to keep them on the other side because that's the only thing that keeps them going. And actually, you know, another Trump presidency may be the only thing that saves MSNBC and the New York Times because when he's out of office, you know, they can't talk about him as much. And, you know, I'm going to make another bold prediction, Will, I think you're going to see some firings.

I think the networks are going to say, we have to get back to news. The last eight years of hyperbole and narratives and hopes. I keep waiting for that. I think it's going to happen. I think, I think, I think Joy Reid signed her certificate last night by going into the, you know, basically everyone in Florida is a fascist. you know they continued to double down you saw joe scarbro like he's saying stuff but he also he's the only guy in the room because he's a he's like he's a con man so he's gonna he's gonna go anyway because don't forget he used to go to mara lago all the time so what he did today was he threw the diff but he said but having said that uh not since ronald regan so i think scarbrough is like kind of like well hey guys i i can i can do it i think the ones that doubled down you you've got to go because I don't think this is going to be a situation where people are going to tune in because the jig is up. It's been exposed. Not to two-mile-long about the interview I did with him. We talked about the human side of him, Rogan, and he started doing these interviews where, and this isn't the same guy from 16 who wanted to fight everybody. This is the grandfather who almost got shot who was like, come on in, RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk. I mean, hell, he took policy advice for me, you know? So, I mean,

Think about that, you know. And he does, Tyrus. Anyone that knows him, knows that's not a surprise. He asks the gardener. He asks everyone, what do you think about issues? He actually asks people. Yes. And that's what this election was about.

People. Nobody wanted, nobody felt comfortable. I said that the whole time. They're like, oh, she's a woman. It doesn't matter. Okay, let me ask you both this. So if she had done Rogan and if she had had an hour long, no holds barred press conference, would it have made a difference?

It would have been over at 8 o'clock. She would have lost California if she did, Rogan. Interesting. I agree. I think the podcast thing is being slightly overstated to this effect. It's a great medium to reveal your personality. But if you don't have a personality or a good personality to reveal, it works the opposite for you.

So what the podcast did for Trump was it broke the caricature of him that had been painted in snippets and clips on all the other previously dominant media forms. Now he got to show Theo Vaughan. Now he got to show Andrew Schultz. He got to show Tyrus and their audiences who he was. But the problem for Kamala is she can't show everybody who she is because it's unappealing or non-existent. Well, when you live a persona, like I had a persona in the WWE.

And maybe at ESPN you had a little bit of persona to be a little hotter than you normally are. You know, we all kind of turn it up a little bit in front of the camera. But the problem is when you are a persona, And that's all that you are. You cannot answer a basic question because you would persona be gone. She, her whole thing was that I am a prosecutor, but we never heard her record. We never saw a video of her doing a closing argument.

Why didn't she's so great prosecuting transnational gangs? Why wasn't she doing that as the borders are when they started taking about pointing at the defense? I know they have artists. I know there was a caricature. So, I mean, like, and that goes out. to the point. She wasn't even an attorney in the sense to where like you get Trey Gowdy

on. You don't think he can close. You know, talk about hair. Oh, he's perfect. But you don't think he has a closing argument? You know how many times on forensic files, I'm like, oh, Trey Gowdy's on it, this guy's guilty because he could close. She couldn't even do, thank you, Kennedy. She couldn't even

close as a lawyer because that in itself was, she was always put in place but never really got there. She couldn't go on to Joe Rogan. She couldn't do an interview with me because anyone who is, and I'm just going to have a conversation, Joe's going to have a conversation. But there's no, like, here's the real, completely transparent. I didn't give Trump a list of questions.

I said, I want to talk about some of your deeds. And he was like, let's roll. So, wait, Tyrus, she can't do that because she's never, she's never done it. Tyrus, I've been wanting to ask you, what happened on Gutfeld? did you get booted from your seat by Trump? Did he walk on set and say, I want your chair and take your chair? That's always your chair to the right of Gutfeld

and Trump took it. So did he just big league Tyrus? Wow. No, he didn't. And I'll tell you why. First of all, there's not enough secret service with him to boot me out my chair.

Plus, they're small. Number two. So what happened was, is when I walked in through the green room, because we weren't supposed to meet him, we were all supposed to sit in our chairs and wait for him to come out. When I walked through the green room,

he's like, yell, Tyrus! Oh, Tyrus, you're my favorite. And I was like, well, this is going to be fun. They said because of the situation with the shooting, he wanted him to have with his ear to be closest, and I said, hold on, so you want me to sit between the president and the crowd given two assassination attempts. Human shield. I mean, it's simple physics.

There's worse ways to go. Whatever was going to make him comfortable because the chair doesn't make the man. You were a better. The man makes the chair. You covered more space than cat. Yeah, well, then I ended up switching with cats. Cat's pregnant.

And unfortunately, we had a creepy guest on who would not stop Googling and bothering her and whispering things to her. She's already uncomfortable. And I said, you know what? Let's switch. I will always be between the crowd and Greg and Kat. That's nice.

Things happen like that. We had, and the things that we were hearing online, cats getting, people are saying horrible things about it. They're making all kinds of threats and stuff. And it got to the point where the feeling was we were waiting for something to happen to anyone. So when I was asked that, and I was asked, I said, absolutely, he's a president of the United States.

He can sit wherever the hell he wants to because I'm not, the chair doesn't make Tyrus. When did Brian? When did Brian Kilmead start harassing a cat? oh it was awkward he kept asking her to come on one nation and i finally had to just hey b b and he started googling her yeah and then just when i thought it was gone and jesse waters was like what about waters world i'm like okay i'm gonna sit here you know all right uh kennedy for your because you have teed us up and for everybody watching the hundreds of thousands that are watching right now uh here for your viewing viewing pleasure is today's view starring sunny hostie host

beautiful um i'm surprised at the result but i'm not surprised as a woman of color i was so hopeful that a mixed race woman married to a jewish guy could be elected president of this country and i think that it had nothing to do with policy i think this was a referendum of um cultural resentment in this country well i think it um yes it had nothing to do with policy it wasn't the economy. And I didn't even do my head. She had the walker's game here. Okay. Can I just say something? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a sucker to, she absolutely did, number one. Number two, I'm a sucker to, um, an emotional appeal, whether it's a rom-com or, you know, it could be Dateline NBC, but if there's a story where you want me to get emotionally involved,

I will absolutely go there with you. So it's like, I'm an independent voter. I'm an unaffiliated voter. I do not belong to the Libertarian Party, not a Republican or Democrat. Let me ask you a question, Will. You've covered sports among just by everything else. You're one of the most well-rounded guys in journalism. How would you react to if, well, we won't put the Mavericks in this. But LeBron James just loses the NBA championship. And his press conferences, well, the refs were out to get me.

And, you know, the crowd was cheering for the other guys because no one wanted to cheer for a black guy. in his late 40s, you know, so there's really nothing. You would be like, this guy's unprofessional. He shouldn't be allowed in league anymore. What a cry baby. What a stand-up. Like, this is basically what it is. They went so far over the top.

She was literally quoted saying, this is a landslide. He's this, he's that, he's Hitler, he's all these things. And then you blame the American people. This is why the people who make these shows need to say, in order for the betterment of the country, those type of people need to go because if she was white and was talking about Barack Obama winning

is the reason that if people hate white people, she would be fired. Right. In a second. No doubt. There is no difference. I don't have the right to besmirch you on the color of your skin because I can't beat you in a debate, Will.

I'm not saying this, but that's, if I said, well, it's Will show and he's white. No, you can't. No, you can't. I should be fired. It's true. If you said, well, he's from the hood. You know, we weren't playing basketball today, so that's why Tyrus lost.

You would be fired. Yeah, I appreciate the admission. You couldn't beat me in a debate. But you did give an example of the patriarchy. You did interrupt Kennedy. So we're going to have to go back to Kennedy's emotional appeal of Sonny Austin. I thought you understood that when I came in. Oh, so now you're mansplaining?

Now you're racist against me, Tyrus? Yeah. I heard your great, great, great grandfather sit next to a guy on a buggy whip who, on a buggy that owned a slave. Okay, so just for clarification. Oh, it's a victim hierarchy card. Who's going to win? The woman or the black man?

Well, just for clarification purposes, my mom is from Romania. Her family had their hemp farm taken away by commies. Her ancestors, I don't have any white. Her most recent ancestors. I'm looking for victim cards. Her most recent ancestors were serfs. So they actually, my mom's family. Oh, they were.

They were. They were. They were. Oh, it's so. I know. The surf has been awful this fall. You're absolutely right. But no, but it wasn't I was saying like, as a woman, I was not drawn into this race at all. I would love for my daughters to see a woman. Like I remember my older daughter when she was in first grade. She loved counting money and she was like, why is it all guys? And at some point, I would love for there to be a smart, rational woman who was president of the United States. There was nothing. about Kamala Harris as a woman, as a candidate, as a former prosecutor, as a former senator, as vice president that inspired me on any level. She has been wrong on everything.

I am so willing to cheer for someone who was going to break ground and break the ceiling. But I couldn't do it with her. There was not enough about her. And back to your original assertion, I don't think. she has a sense of self. I don't think that there is something there and it's impossible to become invested in someone who doesn't

have that all important sense of self. There's also the other side of it that we look at, not to, I don't want to let Kamala off the hook, but when you are controlled, because we now know, based off one tweet, Barack Obama was not calling the shots because he was like,

I'm looking forward to the debate process to pick the runner and who's going to represent. And Pelosi and then put a stop to it. I think Kamala was doing what she was told. I think the whole premise of her being VP was that she would do what she was told. If she played the game the way they wanted her to, she would be next in line. So I think a lot of times, again, you have to make your own choices in life. But to do what I'm told or do what the teleprompter said to me, when that moment comes when the teleprompter breaks and you freeze, that's an unprepared person and that's a

scared person. And that's a, well, what am I supposed to say? We saw that with Cardi B. They're not, they're not, they're just doing what they're told. Can you believe it? They come out and they speak, but it's not their words. It's not their thought process. It's not their belief. I can't wait. I can't wait for the late-breaking Cardi B voter. Yeah, you know, but again, that was another thing. I knew at some point. You spent $40 million on celebrities. 40 million dollars. You got Wonder Woman. That's my favorite. You got Wonder Woman, the Avengers. Mark Ruffalo, Mark Cuban, you've got Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and you lose.

And by the way, I kept waiting. Mark Campbell, and now I'm not so mad that Vader didn't stick around to raise him. I wouldn't, you know what I'm saying? I'm kind of glad Vader kept moving. That's why they sent him to the other planet. He's a jerk. Because I knew the strip clubs closed at some hour, and I kept waiting for the late-breaking Cardi B influenced voter to come out and swing the election last night.

But I think they might have missed the polls closing. They were at the wrong poll. The voting polls closing. They were on the other poll. Three chicken sandwiches at 5 p.m. at Penn House, Penhouse in Tampa. Not saying I've ever been there. Before we go, Tyrus, since you are yourself proclaimed Nostradamus, and it's always easy to be Nostradamus.

That was by the president. It's factual. So what's next, Tyrus? I mean, don't tell me about the past. Tell me about the future. What's going to happen next? What's going to happen next is the world's greatest blame game. Kamala is going to turn on Biden. Biden's going to turn on Kamala and why all this is going on.

I think, I'm going to make a bold prediction here. I think President Trump is going to pardon the president's son in terms of healing the country and moving on. I think it's a bold move. I think Biden may do that first. I don't think. Biden may. Biden has looked the worst he has ever looked in the last few weeks.

I wouldn't be surprised that there's a move. Honestly, he looks bad. He looks, he didn't look great in his last. A couple things. I hate to do this. But to offset, to offset, they'll be some outrage. I'm supposed to be on Jimmy three minutes ago. So if you pardon the Tiger King and you pardoned and you bring it all together, I think everyone will be happy.

I love both of you very much. I'm just playing the House money here. Kennedy, thank you. Thank you, Will. I got to say goodbye to Kennedy very quickly. Thank you, Kennedy, for joining us here on the Will Kane show. Tyrus, I don't, I don't think Joe Biden will ever step aside to benefit Kamala Harris. I think he's, I think he's secretly happy.

Oh, no, he's a thousand percent. Goodbye, Kennedy. Yeah, he voted for Trump. He voted for Trump. And what I'm curious about, your last one, Tyrus, who wins the college football national championship? Mr. Nostradamus, is it the Texas Longhorns? Okay. The chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl again.

I think that's a done deal. College football is so it's about who gets hot, but I got a feeling Oregon is just going to, I just got a feeling about Oregon. They're beating some games, although I could see Texas. Texas got a wake-up call right about the right time. I think Texas is going to be in the dance. But I think it comes down. I'm going Oregon, Texas, unless they're in the same bracket, then I'll have to have to change that.

But I think it's Oregon. And I got one for you. I got one for you. Mavs, Celtics rematch in the NBA finals. We got to get through the thunder and the nuggets. You guys have the best. I think it will be. Your offseason scared me.

And that kid we talked about that center, he is becoming a grown-ass man before our eyes. The Mavs could take it. Celtics are going to have to make a move because Porzengis ain't it. Mavs Celtics, NBA finals. Awesome conversation, Tyrus. Thank you so much. We'll check you out on Gutfeld.

Always funny. We've got to get you back on Gutfeld. I'd love to. It's always a travel issue, but I want to do Gutfeld. I definitely want to do Gutfeld, man. By the way, check him out as well here at Fox News podcast, Tyrus and the Wise Men and maintaining with Tyrus at Outkick. And, of course, he had to book up when he came in.

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When do they open the camps? When do they launch Project 2025? It's now Republicans in control of the presidency, Republicans in control the Senate, and probably Republicans in control the House. So what happens next? It's the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com. on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page.

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wonky i mean if you want to tell me they're about to launch the camps and start putting joe scarborough in the camps um that that will be an interesting take um are they about to launch project 2025 but it's i mean the the the power it looks like is going to be firmly in the hands of republicans presidency senate and now we'll see but probably the house what do you think will be the agenda like what will get done in those first two years? I think it's almost a question of what gets done in those first two months. I actually think the first two to six months are the most important, potentially, in the last 20 or 30 years in American history. Because, you know, once you get past that point, people start thinking about the next election.

Once you get past 2026, Trump's a lame duck. So they've got to hit the ground running. And I think Trump is going to do exactly what he said he was going to do. He's going to close the border. He's going to get this idiotic inflation under control. He's going to stabilize the global situation. And he's going to get America out of all these idiotic wars that people have been getting us in Mesh and Myriden for years. So I actually think it's really simple what he's going to do exactly what he said was going to do.

And much of what we saw him do already in his first term as president. So let's walk through a few of those kind of on an X's and O's front, Sean. Let's start with the wars. Here's what he said. he has said, and he said he might not even wait for his first day in office, but I don't know what the legal limitations are. He talked to Vladimir Putin, and he would get that conversation going in Ukraine between Zelensky and Putin and begin a negotiated settlement, a negotiated peace in Ukraine. Is that what you anticipate his tact to be? And do you think it will be successful

when it comes to Ukraine? Absolutely. And he said from the beginning, he wants that war over. It has not been good for anyone. It's been bad for Russia. It's been bad for Ukraine. It's been terrible for the world writ large, especially when you look at how it affected a lot of commodity prices, whether it's weed or fertilizer or even gas. I think he also wants the nonsense in the Middle East to stop. And the problem there for the last four years is that Iran knew it had a friend in the White House. And I'm not talking about Joe Biden. I'm talking about Barack Obama, who's obviously been the one calling the shots. Playtime for them is over now. And so I I think President Trump is going to go there and say, knock it off, we're done here.

We're getting back to what we're working with with the Abraham Accords. No more this Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian terrorism nonsense. You're going to behave or there's going to be consequences. And given what he did in his first term, I think they know he's deadly serious. Okay, now let's move to tariffs. This is one that is a there is a divide on the right, because for most of the history of the right, there's been a, you know, a principled belief in the concept of free trade. He has talked about tariffs in two manners.

He has talked about tariffs as a negotiating tool, essentially a weapon, to get both back the onshoreing of manufacturing here in the United States and or fair trade, for example, with China. But he's also sort of talked about most beautiful world, most beautiful word in the English language is tariff, you know, these across-the-board tariffs. What do you think he'll really do when it comes to tariffs? I think that's a good question, and I think it's an open question. I think it's helpful to remember that for the first 140, 150 years of American history, tariffs were the way the government was financed. We didn't have income tax until the early 1900s. And I think what we've seen over the last hundred years, when you look at the income tax regime we have, when you look what the Fed has done, what the elimination of sound money has done, it is massively grown the government at our expense. It's why homes are unaffordable.

It's why college is unaffordable. It's why bacon at the store is unaffordable, is that we have had a government that got rich and got fat off of our backs by devaluing our money. And I think it is so important whether it is maybe it's wholesale tariffs, maybe it's inching back towards sound money, but I think a move towards the type of taxation and government funding regime, which is actually the issue here is how do you want to fund the government? Do you want to do it by soaking American families and making it harder for them to earn living? Or do you want to do it by, I don't know, taxing people who want to do business in America.

It seems pretty obvious to me. But I think on the right, people have had, people in general, especially in the intellectual right, have a very difficult time envisioning the world as anything other than it is right at this very moment. They forget history. And so I think Trump has, he's got a lot of work to do, but I think the potential fruits that we can bear from it are enormous. Okay. As a quick aside, you just spurned a curiosity. I follow you, Sean. I think we follow each other's work to some extent. You know, there was a time in my life when I did some work with National Review. I still have some friends, for example, over there at National Review, as I imagine you do as well in some of those circles. Many of those guys, and it's not just National Review, there's a lot of different people, as you described it, on the intellectual right, aligned themselves with a never Trump movement that has lasted the better part of a decade. for many but not all for many they became indistinguishable from democrats bill crystal's a great example of this right um at one point you're this like i don't know firebrand conservative next thing i know you're pro choice uh you know it's it's you're indistinguishable from comla harris

what do you think happens now to that element of conservatism of the republican party the ones that maybe they didn't go full democrat but they never even moderated themselves to Donald Trump. Yeah, I mean, saying they didn't go full Democrat, maybe. I mean, I'm doing a quick census in my head of a lot of the major figures in the major magazines supposedly representing conservatism in America. I bet you 20% of them voted for Donald Trump. And they go out there every day and purport to represent the people who read them.

My suspicion is, real quick, my suspicion is, you're probably right, it's 20. I wouldn't presume, though, 80% voted for Kamala Harris. I would presume a lot of them did some cute write-in tricks or something like that. But there is a percentage that did vote for Kamala Harris. Those, I think, are gone. Those that became full Democrat are just kind of gone. And those, I think, if we were guessing, most of those were true neocons, true neocons. There are some who might not have been true neocons who did the right-in and can't reconcile themselves to Donald Trump.

And never did. And they were anti-Trump. Not just they were passive. They were anti-Trump. Those are the ones I'm like curious. Where's your place in the future? Oh, yeah. You're exactly right.

The David Frenches, the Bill crystals, they're men without a country right now. They made a big bet that they were going to be able to get Donald Trump and that they were going to be a part of this new Democrat coalition to kind of rebuild the country in their own image. They made a bad bet. They're in trouble because no one on the right wants to read them because they have nothing worth reading, and nothing worth saying. And now I think the left has realized, wait a minute, we bought you and we brought you over here because you were supposed to deliver this constituency to us. And you totally failed. And now you're laughing stock over there. You've proved you have no use to us. Get lost. So

good luck to all of them. They've got a tough road to hoe coming forward. I haven't thought about that, Sean. Like the Bill Crystal, the Liz Cheney of the world, you don't have. have a permanent home on the Democratic side. They, they have not, that was a marriage of, it wasn't a marriage. It was an affair of convenience. And that convenience is over. So where is your place in the political spectrum? Yeah, they've got nothing. You know, they'll probably survive for a little bit. You look at people like Jennifer Rubin, their sole value is in, in flattering the egos of left-wing Democrats in Washington and New York. They're not there to actually be conservative. they are there to wear conservative face.

They're conservatives in drag, essentially. And so that Democrats, to read them can flatter themselves and be like, yep, I'm getting the whole picture. I'm not in a bubble here. I'm reading a conservative. He used to be a National Review or Weekly Standard. No, you were reading a left wing bought and paid for grifting Democrat. That's it. So they'll have some usefulness for a year, maybe two.

But in the long run, there's no value to that play that they made. And good riddance, to be quite honest. And I want to be clear, I'm not. besmirching the idea of intellectual or even ideological independence when I say, where is your home and where you're on the political spectrum? I'm not forcing people into teams. I welcome your independence, but these are naturally political animals. We're not talking about Joe Rogan here.

You know, we're not talking about maybe many people listening. We're talking about political animals whose goal in life and whose profession is political influence, right? And now that is lost completely. They have no political influence on either wing. and I just, I think that's going to be fascinating, fascinating to watch them. Let's go back to what happens in the first, as you mentioned it, first hundred days, first two months. I want to talk about immigration now. You said he'll close the border, but I want to get specifics.

What do you think, now, of course we know the power of executive action, and he had that before, and of course Biden had the power of executive action in rescinding many of things that happened at the border. What do you think Trump will do to reduce and perhaps even, I mean, everybody hopes it's a zero out. It's never a full zero, but in, you know, the way our border has been going for the past three and a half years. Well, there have been a couple things that have been going on. So first off, you had an administration that had no interest in policing it at all. So that's over. So just the attitude change on day one.

You also had a Congress previously. Recall that Mitch McConnell didn't really want to spend five or seven billion dollars finishing that wall. That was just apparently too much, too much money for him to spend because it was taking away, I guess, from money to go to you. Ukraine. So that's over now, especially given the majority that we're going to have in the Senate. And then I think the third major, major factor is it's not like there was nothing going on on the other side of the border. You had a lot of these governments pushing their own people into America, knowing they were going to come here and make good money and send it back home in the form of remittances. If the Mexican president and a lot of these central and other Latin American presidents think they're

going to get away with that going forward, they've got another thing. coming. So obviously there was a demand issue here. They want to come here and it was made easy for them through the policies of the Biden administration. But there was also a supply problem and that you had a lot of these corrupt governments in Latin America urging and pushing and incentivizing their people to come invade America. Those days are over. Any friend, Sean, that I have, and I live in Texas, and I would say that most of my friends are conservative. And I would say almost, I would say, maybe all, voted for Trump. But I wouldn't say all with enthusiasm, all with some reluctance or what they would say is, well, I can't allow us to fall into socialism and

communism. But Trump wasn't their guy for a variety of reasons. And one of the main things I would always hear from them is, well, who's he going to surround himself with, right? Who's going to be in the cabinet and that kind of thing? So now we're going to begin to find out, what do you anticipate who's going to fill out a Trump presidency? Yeah, I think we've seen a lot of that already, just in terms of who he's been campaigning with. And it's a sea change compared to 2016, where I think the biggest failing of his administration, and I imagine he would agree at this point, was naivete and personnel. I mean, he allowed James Comey to stay.

He brought in a lot of people who were genuinely terrible and hated him. But because he was new to the city, he took the advice of, of people he thought wanted the best thing for American for him. And I think he's learned a whole lot from that. And you see now he's got RFK looking at pharma and food and fixing that. He's got Vivek who's a good guy. Do you think RFK will have an official position? Do you expect an official position for RFK? Oh, I think so. I think there will be a fight in the Senate if it's if it's like an FDA level job. But honestly, if I'm Donald Trump, I say to them, look, um, you can, can confirm RFK Jr. to be at the FDA, or I don't know, maybe I'll just make him my national

security advisor. Maybe I'll put him as the head of the domestic policy council in the White House. He's got a lot of levers here. And given the size of his mandate and the size of his victory, I don't think there's going to be a whole lot of room for people in the Senate to maneuver and play a lot of the same games they tried playing early on. So I expect to see RFK have a big role when it comes to drug regulation and food regulation. And then you've got Elon, the greatest innovator in American history. Do two last questions before we hit our time limit together, Sean, official role for Elon, Department of Government Efficiency? Yeah, I don't know if there will be an official one,

if it'll be a task force, if he'll be kind of a kitchen cabinet advisor. I don't know. I mean, the man is running like a dozen different bazillion dollar companies, but I think he is going be extremely involved, whether it's going to involve a W-2 that he gets from the government or a confirmed position. I have no idea at this point. Okay, and I hate to let you have this big volleyball as a set to spike, but right before we go in the last minute or two we have together, Tyrus made a prediction with me a little bit earlier here on the Will Kane show that he thinks there will actually be accountability in media, meaning he thinks there's going to be firings. Maybe some corporate executive Comcast or

Time Warner or one of these. At some point, Sean, it's just bad business. Forget that it's wrong and it's biased and it's propaganda. It's bad business at some point. Do you expect heads to roll at MSNBC, CBS, CNN? I love Tyrus's optimism. I will respectfully disagree. And it's because I think for so long,

you look at the bottom lines of a lot of these businesses, they're not profitable. They're lost leaders for these companies. And I think they're used because of the influence they get by owning MSNBC or CNN or the Washington Post. So I'm a little more skeptical just seeing how entrenched the old guard is that think the media has a God-given right to tell people whatever they want. So I'm skeptical.

I hope he's right because obviously major, major reform is needed. Major reform. And I'm not, I don't think I'm radical in saying I think broadcast licenses on publicly regulated spectrums should be revisited because they're supposed to be in the public interest. They quite clearly are not. I'm talking about NBC, ABC, CBS, not cable networks, which are not regulated in the same way. Fascinating conversation with the CEO of the federalist, Sean Davis, here today on the Wilcane Show.

Thank you so much, Sean. It's an honor. Thank you, sir. All right. All right. Another jumbo-packed two-hour edition of the Wilcane show today. We're going to be back tomorrow with another huge edition. Not confirmed, but perhaps Stephen A. Smith, not confirmed, but perhaps Jersey Jerry from Barstall, Bill Himmer, many, many more.

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