Will Cain Country - The Luigi Mangione Cult? CA Arsonist Sparks New Fears (ft. Dr. Drew Pinsky)

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

Living with an insane roommate for long enough will drive anybody up the wall. What happens when you’re stuck in an insane country? Host of ‘Health Uncensored with Dr. Drew' & 'Ask Dr. Drew' and Board Certified Internist & Addiction Medicine Specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky joins Will to diagnose what exactly is pushing the political ideology of Americans far past the point of extreme.Plus, Will and The Crew share their own theories on what is behind America’s growing extremism, put Will’s knowledge of Gen-Z influencers to the test, and for the first time in a while, take a call from you, ‘The Willitia.’ Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@silicanes⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A dude running for Senate has a literal Nazi tattoo on his chest. The man who lit fire to the Palisades in California was inspired by Luigi Mangione. We are losing our minds in America. It is Wilcane Country. Streaming live at the Will Kane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook. always here for you at Spotify or on Apple. I had a fun weekend of country. Went to South Carolina,

stood in the stands at the OG Death Valley, watched George Strait play before 90,000 people, and if I might say, got to meet with, and hang with my new friend, Dabo. It was a fun weekend. Where we got to see the king. Humble brag. It was a humble brag, but couldn't help it.

Couldn't help it. Oh, my gosh. What's going on with Patrick? I don't know. Oh, my gosh. I'm on location, Will. He's broadcasting from somewhere. He can't take it anymore.

Is this a May the fourth thing? Are you in a spaceship? Is this a Star Wars thing? That's what I thought. This is a nuclear facility. I just had to get out and... Why are you at a nuclear facility? I don't know.

He got his finger on the butt. new experience. Michael Malice inspired me last year. That door. Yeah, I know. One of your kids walks in the back door like he's normally, he's normally sitting in his basement, you know, his wife's vacuuming behind him, and when his kids runs in, and now it looks like he's in freaking the control center of Chernobyl.

And at any minute, you know, a kid could come running through that. Five-year-old's your assistant. Yeah. It's a danger. The, uh, the headline. morning. It's new information out of ABC 7 in Los Angeles. You know, Spencer Pratt, by the way, is going to be on the Will Cain show a little bit later today. Spencer Pratt's running for mayor of Los Angeles, and he's doing very well. I mean, in the polling, he looks like he's doing really well. Of course,

his big issue is the Palisades Fire, which burned up he and his wife, Heidi Montag's home up there. I got to visit it a few months ago up there in Los Angeles. And he's really, really going after for Karen Basson, what looks like a very successful way. Well, now, it's part of a much bigger conversation. We have information that the guy who set fire to the palisades intentionally, the arsonist, was a dude who was upset about a past relationship and his lack of plans on New Year's, something like that. But he was also fixated upon and inspired by Luigi Mangione. That's what prosecutors are saying. And that really is interesting. It's really interesting, you know, when you think about where we are, I mean, what are you?

A week removed from another assassination attempt on President Donald Trump, another guy who seemed to be inspired by things pretty much in the news cycle rhetoric. And, you know, we're just getting to this place. And I don't even like saying it the way the words are coming out of my mouth. We're getting to this place. We're obviously in the place. The question is how long we've been in this place and where do we go from here where we have a significant. percentage of our population who has lost their mind and and maybe all of us have maybe i mean you know when you're talking about this percentage of your population having trouble with keeping a grip

on reality sanity it becomes a vortex in which it sucks everybody and you start after questioning your own sense of reality there's a new program up at fox nation it's called radicalized with Sean Hannity. It's available now if you're up at Fox Nation, and it features, among other people, Dr. Drew Penske, who's, of course, the host of Health Uncensored with Dr. Drew and Ask Dr. Drew. And Dr. Drew's hanging out with us again today. Good to see you, Dr. Drew. How are you? Great to see, Will. I mean, I like the way you frame this conversation. We have all lost our minds. And it's easy to point at other people and go, that guy's crazy. But to question our own. judgment, our own cognitive distance. It's really important. It's important because I feel like there's been a mass formation afoot since about 9, 2016. And call it trumped arrangement, call it what you will,

there's been a hysteria that I thought collectively we had sort of moved past since the end of the Second World War. But lo and behold, here it is again. Okay. And I want to say this. So for anyone listening, let's get this out of the way. I'm not doing a both sides thing. When I say have we all lost our minds, and I'm not even doing the thing where it's like, oh, I think the rhetoric on both sides is out of control. I'm not doing that. To be clear, I do believe that one side of the ideological spectrum has picked up arms, so to say.

That's not to say everybody on the left, but they are the ones speaking in the most heightened rhetoric. And you and I'll break this down together. But I do believe that the way the left is talking about Donald Trump, starting in 2016, has produced a mass formation psychosis, wherein now political violence is simultaneously more likely and harder to describe and explain. It's not a political movement. It's like this mass chaos. So let's talk about it. And you know more about this to me, Dr. Drew. Let me just say just real quick.

I'm not doing the both sides thing. If you lived with a crazy person, right, for a while. I do think after a while, once you left the house, you'd have to start wondering, do I see the world crazy? Like it has an effect on you to be coexisting with someone who is crazy. And you start to wonder, have I gone crazy? You know, because I'm not seeing the world. And that's my point of all of us. At some point, this has the ability to suck us all down, to draw us all down.

Yeah, 100%. And that's why it's important to kind of take your own position and constantly reevaluate. and look at the extent to which you're being sucked into some vortex. So let's talk of the things that are contributing to that vortex, as we're describing it. Social media is creating craziness, right? It's literally incubating people to develop ideas and extreme radicalized notions with an efficiency we've never really had before. And the extent to which sort of sinister forces might be at a foot

in terms of accelerating some of that or pick up, certain people that are more prone to it? We don't know. But I think we can suspect, why wouldn't they? So those forces are at foot as well. And there are people in both sides of politics that know how to use persuasion to bring people to the brink of crazy thought. And there's several other things going at the same time. I don't want to underestimate the impact of weed. Weed causes a delusional psychosis. And the kind of psychosis that develops is this feeling of I'm so important and I've figured it out and then you look to social media and it amplifies all that of course if people are delusional in a grandiose narcissistic delusional fixed framework these things are going to have profound effect on them however they get

there whether they're sort of a personality disorder or a thought disorder or they're getting there from drugs and alcohol they get there and it's in a lot of people are affected by by these things, both of these things today. Then you add to that the fact that socially things are a mess in terms of interpersonal social lives. Men and women are not relating the way they should. People aren't having children. People aren't focusing on the things that matter,

like raising a family. So what does that do, right? So we have women saying, I don't need men anymore. They're toxic, I don't need them. And men saying, hey, robots are coming. I've got AI generated stuff. I don't need you guys either. And the separation is just widening.

And now you have loneliness and detachment and lack of meaning, which is a profound recipe for real, real trouble. Okay, so when you have that, and I think you've diagnosed it well, I am really interested and curious to the one I didn't think of that you threw in. You and I've talked about weed. That's not one I really thought about in terms of this larger societal thing happening. I've thought about the impact of weed individually, but not societally. But let's just stay on the news for one second.

What I think we're watching, and I don't know if this is what you guys came away with when you start doing this show, this document radicalized. But there's actually not a lot of ties that bind. the political violence that we're seeing. Like Cole Allen, I'm going to count this guy who did arson in the palisades, right, inspired by Luigi Mangione. Luigi Mangione, the various, and there was a tie that binds like, there's probably like, what are we up to? Are we up to half a dozen trans shooters, you know, going into a school or something like that? The only tie that binds all of this, to me, Dr. Drew, is a. non-clinical, and you can tell me if you think I'm on this, a non-clinical psychosis. So what I mean by

that is people who in another circumstance might very well be leading somewhat normal lives, but have been immersed in a culture of hyper fear-inducing environment that has made them lose their minds. And I think that's the only tie the binds. I can't speak to every single one of these, but most of this stuff. Well, you're talking about things that binds people together. I mean, you know, we're back to shaking our heads and going, what made all those Germans participate in that crazy behavior? The same thing is happening to us now.

We have to look at the features of what led to those phenomena back in the mid-20th century. And I was reading some Hannah Arendt lately. And her position was it is detachment and loneliness. It's disconnect. So the only place people feel connected is when they get involved with these causes where they want to lead and be inspiring and be inspired by. And suddenly they're in essentially a family because this is the other part that's radicalized. Our family systems are just in a mess.

So that also is underpinning so much of this disaster is that we have gone through this period where we've said, oh, you know, divorce is no big deal. children are so resilient? No, they're not. No, they're not. Destroyed families are a huge deal. These are each of these adverse childhood experiences. You have three or more, you're going to have a mental health issue. That's the way it goes. And if you're in an environment where this kind of nonsense is offered to you as a solution to your pain, it's on. And to your point, Will, I think that's true that you can, it may be truly delusional folks getting taken advantage of, or people who are rendered such because of the social circumstance of our time.

Let's take quick break, but continue this conversation with Dr. Drew Penske here on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Dr. Drew Penske, the host of Health Uncensored with Dr. Drew. You bring up, excuse me, social media. So if I'm right that our current political climate, which is bending the art towards violence, is, and you've used this term about mass psychosis, mass delusion, producing people who otherwise wouldn't be crazy people. turning them into crazy. You point to social media. I don't know. Maybe it's a partisan in me. I'm trying to be real. I'm trying to be self-aware. I look at a lot of these politicians, mostly on the left, who have now for a decade, spoke in these hyperbolic existential ways about, you know, obviously Nazism and authoritarianism and totalitarianism. But also like, Trump is going to end you talking to trans. What do they call it? Did they say genocide? A trans.

Erase you. That's their terminology. Erase you. And whatever a race means, you know? Right. And this language that has been parroted from people seemingly in more responsible positions like elected office has been sort of, I don't know if it's a tail, dog scenario, chicken. eggs, I don't know which comes first, sort of the social media and commentariat class and then the politicians jump on or the other way around. But at some point, what we have to say is who is

creating this environment? If the environment is creating the assassins, who is creating the environment? Yeah. Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. And there's this weird, you know, snake eating its tail logic that they throw into that, which is, no, no, it's his right. rhetoric that's making me react like this. It's Trump being so boorish. I've never heard Trump suggest to pull out a baseball bat and talk about harming people or getting violent or now. I mean, this is a constant rhetorical tool they're using. And at what point, my question is, look, I'm all about free, free, free speech. But at what point is it yelling fire in a crowded theater? At what point can you hold people accountable for these things? And I don't know the

answer to that, but it seems like somebody ought to be pushing back in a very aggressive way on these people that are doing so much harm to the vulnerable out there. I mean, you can look at the guy that said the arson is vulnerable. He's not well. He's sick. And that's what Trump keeps saying. These are sick people. These are sick people. And I keep thinking, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. But so what? What do we do about this? And I'll tell you how we deal with sick people in a psychiatric hospital. We use a show of force. We don't use violence. We use a show of force. We have a unified front of a lot of people standing around saying, hey, stop, de-escalate, bring this down. As opposed to, here's your weapons. Here's how you can do this. You know, I'm going to take a bat too

and do the same thing. Think how profoundly different those two things are. Well, you bring, you're the doctor, I'm the lawyer. So fire in a crowded theater doesn't work. You know, it's like an old Supreme Court saying it doesn't matter. That's not to correct you. That's to ask you this question. Because I actually had this last week on the show, Dr. Drew. What can we do?

And the reason we talked about it last week is because we talked about James Comey's 86-47 post and whether or not the DOJ actually has legal ground to go after him on that front. Okay? And the contention that I have been making is the true standard now is direct incitement to violence, which is a really high barrier. And I had Jonathan Turley on. He's like, Will, I just don't want to go down this road because the best solution to speech is more speech. And I agree. I'm a free speech guy and all this.

But I think we're getting there. We're getting closer and closer to this line. And but what I think I want to ask you is, what can we do about it? Like, should I be doing on my show every day? Should I have, like, examples of this crazy speech and being like, look, America, this is what's causing this environment? And then therefore, what? You know, I can make everybody aware of it, but what do I, what am I, what is the call to action here? Right.

Well, I don't know this would work. I don't have objective data to say that for this particular circumstance today, when I'm about to say will work, but I do know the general solution to any sort of tribalism. Okay. And that is consistently, every time this has been studied, one word, which is contact, that you bring people in for close contact and you, you, you derail their delusional preoccupations, their sense of who you are. there is what Charlie Kirk was trying to do, right?

It's hard. It's hard to do. But you bring people into the tent and you go, let's let's have contact here. And let me hear you out, but I need you to hear me out. Now, the problem is, you know, I woke up this morning thinking about the way our congressional sort of interviews go these days where people are screaming, I reclaim my time. Can you imagine the founding fathers seeing that? They would, they would lose their minds. Or forget the founding fathers, even the great rhetoritians of the mid-19th century.

I reclaim my time. Reclaim my time. It's the most bizarre, pathetic example of how how, how empty the discourse is. But real contact where people listen to each other tends to diminish these things. Yeah, interesting. I don't know how you do that on a mass scale. You make a great point. Charlie Kirk was doing that. And I think he was, I think it was working. Like, do I think Charlie moved people from the left back to sanity? I do. I think I think he did. Yeah, not just, in other words, not just confirm his existing audience. Do you know what I mean? Not just play to the choir, but actually look for converts. Yeah, I do think it did. So in the context of this violence that we're talking about, so now we're talking about,

obviously the contention isn't that the environment creates a society full of assassins, but that the environment creates assassins out of people that otherwise would not be this. crazy. And it's almost always men. Almost always, right? And when it comes to conversation about the right, you'll hear this cliche a lot. Young men have gotten so far right. Young men have gotten so far right. Dr. Drew, the data does not bear this out. Now, we all have anecdotal situations and I find this incredible. So this is what, let me see where this came from. It's not that new. It's Gallup. And it's up through 2023.

And what's happened with young men and young women, I think you can probably see it on your return. I hope, Dr. Drew, but it shows that young men have gotten one point. I believe it's one point more conservative over time. And maybe over the last three years it's increased, right? But young women have gotten 23 points more liberal. Young women have raised. to the left. Young men have been pretty constant.

Right. And that fits our intuition, right? Yeah, it does. Yeah. And here's what some people are thinking, okay, is this is a construct that anthropologists are throwing out there, which is that because women have a caretaking impulse that men don't necessarily have, that when they see someone or something in need, they have a very intense desire to help and to, it's an outstanding. One of the reasons that I thought that, you know, women in politics was a great idea. We need these sorts of impulses in our politics. But when you tell women that men are toxic, that your childbearing instincts are created by society, those aren't yours,

and you do not allow that caretaking instinct to be played out in a family system, it starts looking, you know, it looks out in the world and sees people in need and rushes in. I care, I care. But they don't understand the toxic empathy that they can manifest. Like I said, with the delusional patients, we give them a show of force. We don't hug them. It's show of force that de-escalates them. But if you have a profound, nice caretaking impulse, that can be a very uncomfortable thing to do.

And it's the last thing you'd want to do. So you're doing things wrong rather than what people need. Okay, so I was just looking at this as well while you're talking. You know when it changed? 15. If you're looking at this chart, it kind of looks the same for a long period of time. Like so much of the rest of our society, we feel something happened in about 14, 15. 16. It does coincide with the rise of Trump. So it makes you ask, is this women moving far left as a

response to Trump? Okay. And then you say, well, if that's true, what about Trump is such a radicalizing factor for women? And then, Dan, I think we have this, I don't know if we have the video, but is it just his personality? Is it just the way that he behaves? I saw this video. I don't know how new this is, but this is a lady who is attacking an effigy of President Donald Trump, a pinata, effigy of Donald Trump. I want you to see this video really quickly, and then I'm going to point out the intricate detail here, Dr. Drew. Watch this.

Okay, so that's a lady. She's violently attacking with a stick, a pinata of Donald Trump. But the detail that I want to share with you is she's wearing a shirt that says M-A-K-A, M-K-A, And what's the K? Kindness or kind. Make America kind again. Right. So they are violent while extolling the virtue of kindness. Yeah.

Well, they're in, we see that again and again, right? And so that's another layer to things I suspect are operating, which is narcissism. And narcissism uses predict. rejection as a way of managing unpleasant feelings of their own. So I have these rageful, murderous impulses. I put them on you. They're yours. And if they come out in me, it's only because of you.

I'm just reacting to you. Right. And that is a distortion. That is a problem. Again, the way to deal with that is directly and contain. And hey, honey, come on, stop it. What about the kindness? Let's go.

What's going on here? Where is this kind? Oh, but it's him. He's so dangerous. He's terrible. He's going to come in people's houses and take people to El Salvador. Okay. You got to stay in reality with these people.

Give me an example. Show me where he has done. I don't know if he can. Where's he done? I believe, I know what you're talking about with contact. I mean, I believe in the idea of debates. I believe in the idea of interaction. I don't know if that woman can be saved.

And she's not alone. There's another example. John Federman, the senator from Pennsylvania, there was apparently a man who was making threatening phone calls to John Federman and his 13-year-old daughter, threatening the life of his 13-year-old daughter. And I believe, if I had the details correctly, he was also running for elected office in Pennsylvania. So here he is making these violent phone calls to them. At the same time, he's doing videos kind of announcing his candidacy and so forth with a pennant behind him on the wall that says, is be kind. Like his whole thing is be kind while threatening John Federman's daughter, 13 years old. Yeah, nothing more...

I don't know how much contact. I don't know how much contact is going to save this relationship. Well, look, nothing more dangerous to him than his own internal rage. And let it come out. Bring it. Show it to him. Reflect it back. And these, again, I keep saying these things cannot pass without a reaction because they'll

continue to escalate. There's got to be containment of this stuff, and we're not doing it. We're not doing it very well. And of course, as you mentioned, the leaders are only inflaming it. So where does it go? That's the big question. And from one of the first conversations when I got to know you on this program, you kind of took me aback with your knowledge of the Jacobins and French history and the French Revolution. I always do think it's important to say, even as Americans, we've been through things, you know. We've been through the sick. talk about multiple assassinations. We've been through the 1920s when there was an open progressive socialist movement that was an anarchic movement that was violent in America. We have obviously

been through a civil war. So like, what does the other side of this look like in this time frame? You're asking me an impossible question. And I don't believe that we are going to go into the of an era, though I would just remind people that the reason I sort of got preoccupied with that was this is something that is elevated to a lofty status when in fact it was a movement that ended in just disastrous violence. And we must have an unblemished look at our history. But when I hear you talk about, you know, what do we do? What do we do? I this is going to sound grandiose I look to the words of Abraham Lincoln

he he was even though you pointed at a civil war that developed and I don't believe that's going to happen he was a master at principle and common ground that was really he was always looking for a middle ground and if you look at his second inaugural he said you know one side did not one one war and the other side would bring it. And I hope we're not, the one side's kind of bringing it.

You're saying, Will, I don't want these things. I don't want, I don't want all these people. I don't want this violence. I don't want anything to do with this. And the other side is we have to do that we need more of this. If they bring it, we have to stay principled and react accordingly. You know, the Civil War started merely because Lincoln said, I have a sacred obligation. I signed a, I put my hand in the Bible and swore to

protect the property of the federal government and the employees. And I have to provision a fort off the coast of South Carolina. He told them he was going to do it. He has a sacred obligation to do it. And they fired on him. Well, then the consequences come. Man, you just said something that I haven't thought about. Like, our one side is kind of curring this revolutionary violent talk. And I think that's a premise from what to start a discussion, is that what you want? Like, do you, if I'm talking to Graham Platner, if I'm talking to AOC, but let's even take it a little more mainstream, I don't know, Gavin Newsom, that's mainstream, right? What is the, what moment do you think you're at right here

in history? Because the way you're talking about it, there's really only one way out of it, and it is truly revolutionary. So is that the outcome you envision here as the next step? them all the way through it. Like what is that look like. Yeah. Take it all the way down. Does that mean throwing away the Constitution? Does that mean allowing the states to fall apart? There's no federal system. Does that mean malicious? I mean, what are you talking about? What do you, what do you intend? What do you want here? And let's kind of work it through. Unfortunately for Gavin Newsom, I think all he wants is power. His only answer to that might be like,

just put me in charge. It'll be okay. That's all he wants. Welcome to California. Welcome to California. Dr. Drew is the host of Health Uncensor with Dr. Drew. You can check them out there as well as Ask Dr. Drew, as well as radicalized with Sean Hannity, which is up right now on Fox Nation. Dr. Drew, it's always good to talk to you.

Thanks for spending some time with you see you today. Appreciate it. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. There he goes. So let's do this because we don't have a better option. meaning I don't have Gavin Newsom I don't have

I'm trying to think who the ideal person to have this conversation with would be I don't think Gavin Newsom is the ideal person it's you Dan that's what I'm trying to get around to you're the best that I've got in the given moment well my dad was yeah you're the furthest left

counsel for Giddy Oil so I think that I would be the best but you know whatever well what I mean is okay if we accept okay let's properly diagnose the patient. I'll be Gavin News. Okay. We, we have some symptoms. That's pretty easy to diagnose. The symptoms are in this case, the assassination attempts, the political violence that we can clearly see is taking place in America. That's the boils on the skin. Then you diagnose it and you go, well, we have a really bad political environment where people talk in a certain way. And I just feel like what we did with Dr. Drew was a diagnosis. And I did

impressed, Dr. Drew, okay, but what's the cure for this problem? And his answer is contact, contact. His answer is interaction, right? So if I gathered together somebody from the left who is talking this way, who can be a representative person of the future, what would their answer be to what happens next? What do you want? You see what I'm saying? Like if I did it with AOC or Grand Platner, I think people, there's too many people in the left are going to be like, that's not who we are. Don't take her seriously. She's not, she's not representative. And if I did Gavin Newsom, I'm afraid I would also get, well, Gavin Newsom's just a political cretan who wants only what serves him best, right?

He's not the leader of any real movement. He's just a politician. So who is that? Is it Kamala Harris? No. Is it Elizabeth Warren? Is it Elizabeth Warren? You know?

I mean, no one I know would even, no one I know likes Democratic politicians at this point right now. I mean, it's really just about the other side. So I don't know what the answer would be at all. But my point is if I can pick that right person and I say to you them, look, you're talking this way. I want you to see what you're saying, right? because it's not just Hassan Piker who's talking in terms of revolution. I feel like I've heard, certainly we have heard from very high-profile people that we're on the verge of authoritarianism takeover. And this is an existential moment for our democracy.

We're going to lose our country, right? And then even if I grant, often what we do is we get caught in a debate about, oh, my God, you're hyperventilating, you've got Trump derangement syndrome. But what if I granted the premise? Right? What if I granted the premise? And I said, okay. so what? You're not crazy. So what? What do you want to do?

What is the answer to that question? What do they want? Besides power, besides the presidency and presumably control of Congress, what do they want to save our democracy? Does it simply get rid of Donald Trump? Is that it? I think it is. At this point, yeah. I think anybody, if I ask that question, anyone I know that's on the left, it would be to get rid of Donald Trump. and that solves every problem in their heads.

I don't think that's true. I think for a moment. For a moment. Yeah, exactly. I think that's, I think he's saying, what he's saying is, in their mind,

that's true. Yes. But it is not what it will actually be the outcome. Yeah, exactly. In their mind, it's true. Well,

so just take these women right here. You see all these women that have gone so far left? Do you think they come back, like that comes back down? our democracy is saved because isn't that a self-pane proposition if Donald Trump if by the way doesn't that also

like undercut the entire proposition like if Donald Trump walks out of office on January of 2028 doesn't it kind of show that was full of shit this whole authoritarian democracy was at stake thing doesn't that kind of

depends on the things you were full of shit like he they want I mean the war immigration that kind of thing Okay, so it's not just about Donald Trump. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I guess it's not just about Donald Trump.

Yeah, it's about being nice to people. It's about treating people well. All right, so now we've got to do some things. Yeah. Now we've got to do some things. Okay, so what do you want to do? Right. What is your revolution?

It wasn't just about getting the personality out. So we got the personality out. Which presumably he walks out on 2028 and you're like, I guess he wasn't authoritarian. I guess our democracy wasn't stake, you know? Partially. voluntarily left office again. Partially. Again, by the way.

No third term. So to Dr. Drew's point, you know, what we're talking about is what? Adding D.C. and Puerto Rico estates, packing the Supreme Court. Like starting to really change the constitutional system, letting the immigrants stay, shutting down deportations. Yep. I was not opening it up. It was. Under Joe Biden, it was actually affirmative.

Open it up. Let immigrants flood in. Not just stay, let them flood in. Right. Give them asylum, as they say. I mean, I don't, anyone I know that's pretty radical left in my personal life, none of them cry socialism, like Hassan Piker. I don't see that on a real level ever.

It gets close to it, but no one I know really gets to that, like, crazy point. I know it's out there, but I just haven't really seen it. I guess what we're getting around to is if you're right, then they are just using some very, very, very. very reckless language about one politician, about one politician, about the man, the personality of Donald Trump. And once he's gone, that rhetoric goes down. I'm accepting, I'm not sure that's true, man. I'm really not sure that's true. I'll stick by it, but.

All right. Let's lighten it up. Take quick diversion here. So Patrick, I guess he's got a new nuclear facility in his background? I'm not really sure. I'm also excited about a mini reactor room. Yes. See, if I was a good producer, I would have planned this and I would have gone on a spaceship.

Yeah, you should have gone in like the Millennium Falcon. Yes. What are you doing? I'm not a good producer. Is that just the closest you could get? Yeah. No, no. You're like, that's the most Star Wars you think I could sign?

He Googled. Now, this was all pre-planned and I forgot about the Star Wars thing. It looks like a... Star Wars spaceship set up. I'm just saying. Let's go with that. A yellow one.

You look like you're in the yellow submarine of the Beatles talked about. Yeah. We all live in a yellow submarine. Yeah. Everything is yellow. Patrick, for days, has been attempting to play a game.

Okay? Now, he doesn't even know that I'm now ready to play this game. So we'll see if he's ready to actually execute. Look at his face. He's not ready. He's not ready.

I'm ready. For three days. He's been met. at me that I've wound the show up and not have the game ready to go. Look at him scrambling. It's literally been a week. Now, it's been over a week. Now it is time to play the game and you are ready?

I am ready. There we go. Yes. Do you have the list? I have the list. All right. I have the list. All right.

What is the name of this game, Patrick? This is called OK Boomer. And I don't think you're going to guess very many of these pictures. So, Gen Z is influenced by a lot of people. and most of those people, we don't know. And I don't think you're going to know many of them. And so I was working with some of our Gen Z staff on the TV show. And these are some of the names I got.

So we're going to go with A image. See if you get this one. Do you know who this is, Will? All right. All right. If you're listening on Spotify or Apple, I will try to help you out radio. So the first image, yes, I do know who it is. Yes.

So I presume these are Gen Z characters. And just for you sure listening on radio, I'll give you a little bit of a description. And influencers. Black guy. And influencers. Black guy, two earrings, very white teeth, not an afro, not dreads. What, twists? Twists, twists in his hair maybe.

Yeah. And I have other descriptions I could give about him that aren't revealed in that picture because I know who it is. that is speed. That is I show speed. That's right. That's correct. Because you have teenage sons. Yes.

I also kind of wanted to front load a little bit of it. So I'm like, give Will a couple gimmies. This next one, I don't know if it's a gimmee. Okay. I don't know if this next beat. I don't know if this is a gimmie. I didn't know this one. But I should have.

She's making waves. Yeah. In the news. Yes. You do? I know who it is. I know who it is. I know who it is.

and she's all the talk of the studios here in Dallas. And we're thinking of starting a new segment, wherein Ellie explains to me things happening on the internet. It's like cliff notes for things happening on the internet. I love that. Let's do it. But I will tell you this, even though I know who this is, like I knew who it was, I didn't know what they looked like until fairly recently. Like I didn't know, that's Alex Earle, famously of Alex and Alex, Alex Cooper and Alex and Earl who are having an internet fight.

And I'll tell you how I know what she looks like. Like I knew of her, but I didn't know what she looked like. One of those guys that pops up in my algorithm, those two guys that rank things, they rank the five best looking girls. And they threw girls at each other. And they threw a picture of her. And I was like, oh, that's what Alex Earl looks like. Yeah. I still don't know what she does. And by the way, you have just exhausted all of my knowledge of Alex Earle.

That's it. I've got nothing more. Dang it. Okay. Well, C. You should know this. I know, I know. Two for two.

You know this. I think you know this guy. And then I say, he's a Gen Z influencer. He is a millennial, though. Yeah, he's older than me. He's a really? He's a Gen Z influencer? Yeah.

I don't know if that qualifies. You know what? I'm a fan of this guy. You may call him real quick. here's for the show. Another humble bag. Today's the humble bag. Yeah, I was going to say.

I know him, I know him decently. Not real well, but a little bit. And I like him on a personal level and a professional level. I will say, I'm not sure this is accurately categorized. I'm not sure he's a Gen Z influencer. He's more of a millennial influencer. Gen Z like his show. I don't know.

I don't know that my sons know who he is. Connor doesn't know him. Connor doesn't know sports. May. Connor, did you know who that was that picture just now? I'll say it for the audience in just a second. Did you know who that was? No.

No, see? But he's not a sports guy. Connor's not a sports guy. That's Big Cat. That's Big Cat. Pardon my take. Yep. Now this one, now we're getting into territory where I had no idea.

I had to look these people up to verify, double check. I don't know who that is. D. Give me a minute. Give me a minute. Is it a really high quality? quality images too, so you could really see who they are. Produced like I said.

It's like, I don't know who that is. 350 by 400. I don't know that. His name is... I don't know. Who is that? Are you ready? Jinksie. He's a top tier Twitch streamer.

Never. Who roast a massive fame playing Rainbow Six Siege, known for his loud, competitive personality and rage clips. That, you know who that is? Not only do... I've never even heard of him. Connor doesn't even know who that is. You don't know of me either.

I think I've seen him before, but yeah, I knew he existed. All right. Do you want to go through him all or do you want to save this? This whole game. What's at $500 to change the subject? How many do you have? What number is J? So 10?

That's 11, 10, yeah. 10. So we want to do five and then save the other five? Yeah. I'm three for four. So this is it right here. All right. So E.

I don't know. And? Oh. Very attractive blonde. I don't. That's not a Cavender twin. That is not. I don't know.

There's a lot of Haley's. I don't know all the Haley's. There's a Haley Bieber, a Haley Calf. lavender, a haley. There's a lot of Haley's. Big for Haley. I don't know who that is. Who is that?

That is Riley Arnold. She is a professional ballroom dancer who gained mainstream fame as a pro on Dancing with the Stars and for her popular lifestyle. Riley's basically Haley, let's be honest. Yeah, it's very close.

I don't know. I don't know her. I don't know Dancing with the Stars. Dancing with the Stars is a whole cultural thing. Would you do it? I think I've never watched a single episode. I'm sure I've seen clips of it. You should not do that.

I have two Fox shows you should be going on right now. Mass Singer, because I love to see that. And then that show that Dr. Drew used to be on, which was that one where they drop you in the middle of, like, the desert to do military training. Is that with like Bear Grills? No. It's, I don't remember what it's called, Special Forces.

So you wouldn't do dancing with the stars will? Ever? Man, don't do that. Okay. Do you guys think I'm a pretty confident person? Am I a confident person? Yeah. You think so?

Yeah. And I'm pretty confident in social situations as well. Like, my least confident thing. ORA. Is dancing. Huh. Is my, I don't have my least confident thing. No, you do have aura.

My least confident thing is dancing. I am not a dancer. I'm not a good dancer. I don't have confidence on the dance floor. There's nothing. No man. I don't. Do you boogie or whatever? Yeah, what about what about what is the line dance? I don't line dance. What? No, I can two-step. And you call yourself a Texan? I definitely can two-step. Wait, what about the clip of you doing the Irish Jigs? Dudes definitely do it. You look like you had some really. I mean, they're not the dudes I know. There are dudes that line dance. Okay. My dudes would not line dance. Okay, I've been to plenty of country bars, okay?

My friends and I, I'm just saying, would not be the guys on the floor doing the line dancing. I will two-step with a lady any day. I'll do a Western swing with a lady. I can do those two dances, but I cannot get out there by myself and cut a rug. I've been working on my crib, what do you call it? Is it Crip walk? Crip walk? You shouldn't be, you shouldn't be doing that gang signs, just saying.

They clip this, Ellie. I like Crip Walk. It looks cool when they do it. And it's easy. That's why. It was my go-to in like middle school. Ellie's telling me to stop. Yeah.

Coming up, we take callers here on Will Kane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Let's see you. Let's see Let's see what the Wilicious saying Danny Thompson on YouTube is saying Colt my ass

This is not a right or left issue There are plenty of people on the right Who are I think that's supposed to be who Yeah A lot of people on the right for Luigi I don't think so at all I don't think so

I don't think so And I know that we have an audience The minute Dr. Drew said it I know we have an audience Of people watching Who we're not going to like what he said about weed And here's Adam Runk.

I'm on weed right now, and I'm not going crazy. Yeah, go to hell, Dr. Drew. I knew it. I'm high, man. I knew it. Oh, here's another one. Mike Mitchell. Weed has nothing to do with it.

And then he's got a cow and a poop emoji. I just knew that would be the case. Man, there's war against weed these days. All right, there's one more thing I want to do this. So, by the way, I spent. the weekend, yeah, George Strait concert in Clemson, South Carolina, which was really fun, really fun.

And I've never seen George Strait. In all my years, he's probably my number one. I only say probably because anybody else that would be in the running against George Strait is probably dead. Willie, Willie's still alive, he's up there. Wailen's

left us, different kinds of country, but George Strait is just you know, he's the king. I think he's the king. And So I met my buddy and his buddy, and we all went with our wives to South Carolina. He's not the buddy that I was referencing, but we did hang out with Davo. Davo is – I mean tell you something. Davo is an incredible guy.

I love Davo. I can tell you. Davo is an incredible guy. I'm talking about not just publicly, personally. How about this? I'm going to tell you a quick story. I don't think he'll mind if I tell you this. So I saw Davo on Saturday for a fair amount.

Went to the concert together for a little bit and hung out before the concert as well. And Dabo was at a restaurant on Friday night. And the town, Clemson, South Carolina is a small town, very small town. It was full of George Strait fans, cowboy hats, the whole deal. And something about the table next to Dabo at dinner on Friday night got his attention. And they started talking and going to George Strait, yeah, going to George Strait. Dabbo starts talking. So he spends 20, 30 minutes talking to these folks because this is the guy he is. Like, I don't know how he has time in his day to do everything because he is the kind of guy will just talk to you for as long as you want.

And he says, well, I'm having some people over to my house before the concert. Why don't you come? So these random people that drove up from Orlando, Orlando, Florida, ended up pre-partying at Dabo's house with him because he gave them his address and said, on over, come hang out with us. I mean, I don't know. I think this is just an incredibly accessible, huge, legendary college football coach. And those people go home with a massive story. You have a caller for me?

Yes. Who would be calling into the show? Someone called in. Of audience member, first round by from the chat has called in because he wants to talk to you about the future of the left. I remember that name, first round by, really. Okay, go ahead. What's up? What's up, first round by?

Hey, Will. Can you hear me all right? I got you. Yeah, loud and clear. What's up? Awesome. Well, first off, I just wanted to say, I love your show. You know, I'm a millennial that's always on YouTube and always looking around for different places to watch things.

And the combination of politics and other things you talk about is right up my alley. The only difference with me and, you know, this show and other things on stuff. because I'm pretty far left. But it still entertains me. Really? So I just wanted to get that out there. Okay, time out. First of all, thank you.

I appreciate everything you have to say. That's awesome. I have a couple questions for you. Are you high on weed right now? Not right now, but, you know, when Friday night comes, I'll be sipping a bourbon, listening to some music, and smoking a joint. But not right now. I feel like this is one of my friends that we're talking to right now.

Okay, all right. So sober as we speak on a Monday. I don't know what time zone you're in, but so far, sober on a Monday. That's good. Second, you're on the left and you watch and listen to us. So I'm very, very curious about that. So why, man? Why? I'm really interested. Well, I never really watched Fox News at all, but my parents do, obviously. And I love being entertained by The Five. It actually is a show that I love to watch just to see the other side's argument. mostly.

That's really what it comes down to. And then you're on that channel, obviously, and watching you. You talk some sports and music. So just having a little bit of a diversion into pop culture is really what gets my attention. But yeah, I mostly just like watching for the diverse opinions and just kind of understanding why people think the way they do on your side.

Love that. You're a curious guy. Now, you tune in. I've seen you commenting from time to time on our show. So when you hear my opinions and you hear me talk about things, you're not, and we'll get to some specifics on why you called in just a second. When you hear what I have to say, you're not so angered or turned off that you just click it away, that you're just like, I'm done, I can't take will? No. No, I think if you do that, you're a kind of crazy that you may think the left is.

I just think that would be someone who, and your opinions are valid. I mean, I have friends that are like from Kentucky, conservative, Christian, have all the values you do. And I'm not getting mad at them. I just have a different opinion. That's really all it is. Okay. Awesome. Well, I'm just going to reiterate.

Honestly, I'm going to be honest, man. That makes me proud. I think I'm pretty strong in my opinions, meaning I'm not trying to wishy-wash them or half-pedal. them in order to get your attention or get you to keep you around, but I would like to think I'm not so tonally closed off that you could still find a way into this conversation. And you have. So I'm going to be honest, I'm happy. I'm really happy that's the case.

Now let's get to you. Before you tell me why you called today, what would you say is the biggest issue or reason that you would describe yourself on the left? I kind of had an awakening. This is kind of a roundabout way to get there, but there was a period of my time where I was conservative. That's how I grew up. My parents were that way.

And then there was a period of time where I rebelled against that in high school and college. It was just, you know, not anarchy, but just not believing in politics at all. And then it kind of came around full circle where I'll give someone like Charlie Kirk credit for this, where he started those conversations. and I would watch him go against people in the left. And oddly enough, I would see him losing a lot of arguments. There's one with Ben Burgess that's really good. There's another one with one on Bernie Sanders campaign who argued against him online.

And watching those videos really drew me to the left argument of things of how government can help and is there to help and it's for the people. And I'm kind of in that state now where, you know, I'm in New Hampshire and we have someone up north in Graham Platner, who I would love to vote for. He was in New Hampshire. Everything he says speaks to me. We don't have that here. We still have people that are just hardline liberal.

But that's kind of where I'm at now, is I want a future of the left that helps people in a way that I don't see they are right now. And the right isn't either. And that's kind of where I would say. I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm super, super left. Like I'm not screaming socialism or things like that. I still have a bit of that rebellious side of me where politics is just kind of dumb and things like that. But if I were to vote, if there were a candidate, I liked on the left, I would likely vote for them. Okay.

I'm going to dig in on that and just a sec. But on the Platner thing, really, man? Even with the Nazi tattoos and the whole deal, doesn't make you, I mean, seriously, like with Grand Platner? The tattoo is the only thing about him that has stuck out as a negative. But I believe him. I think... Well, he said... But there's a lot of other stuff, too, right?

That he said on Reddit is pretty ugly. Like, the kind of backs up... It's ugly, but also, if you read them and what he said about them, he's either, you know, denounced what he said, or has said it was in a joking manner. Nothing that he really said online to me disqualifies him, in my opinion. Well, except that he's denounced it, you said, or walked away from what he said.

So the statements themselves would be disqualifying, but you're saying he doesn't believe those things, actually. It's what you're telling yourself about that. Yeah. He said, I'm sorry or whatever. Yeah. So let me start with something that I think we have in comment. So you said you believe that you find yourself more on the left because you want to help people.

And you feel like government is a tool through which you can help people. Well, can I just say to start this, and this is already longer, but I don't care. I'm enjoying this. And if everybody else watching or doesn't, I don't care. One thing I would ask of you is don't presume you have a monopoly on the good intention of helping people. I do think there are a lot of good intentioned lefties that are there because they think what you just said. Government is the mechanism through which you end up helping people. But what I would tell you is there's a lot of people, in fact, I would say almost everybody I know on the right,

is very invested into that idea of helping people as well. they just see a different mechanism through which to effectuate it. The main one being your own personal actions as opposed to simply your vote. So if you'll see, you know, studies and charts on who is the most charitable, who gives the most away, you will see that leans heavily towards the right. So there's a lot of people on the right that believe whether or not it's through church, your own charitable giving, your own time and efforts, that you can be somebody, not the government, but you can be somebody that helps other people. Now, that's not to say the government has no role. I think most people on the right recognize that government does have a role in helping people to some degree. But we start with the premise that it's actually really pretty bad at it and has been bad at it.

Because giving other people's money away is just not a very good incentive. It actually brings people in who find it to be a mechanism for self-fulfillment, self-justification. And so politics and government becomes a pretty poor way to help people. So we limit the realms in which we do that. What do you say to that? Sorry, I didn't have any thing to say to that. Yeah, that's a great argument for your side. Do you disagree with my characterization?

Or do you see that? No, I don't disagree. I think both sides live in the world where I believe the left is trying to do their best with what they've given, and their tools the way that their party has grown over the years. And so is the right. The problem is there's a lot of, I would say, corrupt people on both sides, taking money from interest groups on both sides. And that's really my main issue with the left and partially the right is taking money from

groups that are trying to influence their way in America. And that's where, you know, I called in to talk about the future of the left. That's where I want to get money out of politics and have things get back to the root of trying, like I was saying, helping people or stronger labor unions, I'm for, minimum wage, I'm for raising, things like that. And, you know, we're kind of at a moment where we're stuck on the left. And, you know, the right has the right to do everything you said and live the way that, or to go forward the way like you're talking about. Well, setting aside those two specific policies that you brought up, minimum

wage and labor unions, which I would debate you on the value of each one of those and actually helping people. Do you not think that you sound pretty young as well, that over the last 15 years, really last 10 years with Donald Trump, the right has actually pivoted in a way of concerning themselves a bit more about the plight of the working class, about asking themselves what government can do to bring jobs and ensure that we don't have an economy that leaves people behind, certain economic classes behind. Do you not think there's been a pivot in the ride over the past decade? There's been a pivot in the talk about it, but I have not seen or read anything about it coming to fruition. Yes, Donald Trump has been able to bring that out in people. It's what got a lot of

people to vote for him. And I hope people use that going forward after Trump's term on the left or the right. but I don't see it currently taking place in this country at this moment. The best example is probably tariffs. The best example is tariffs. That's not something the right would have supported in the past because they would have argued that free economics and cheaper goods leads to something better for everybody. And the Trump administration is like, not if we have a bunch of people who can't work or don't have jobs. So we'll pay a little bit higher prices for things if it means we onshore things back to America and keep some jobs here so that middle-class, and lower middle class still have jobs to show up to every day.

Right. And I hope that more people are for terrorists as well. I'm for it. Bernie Sanders was screaming about them with NAFTA on these China deals, and now people are now against them. But not anymore. Because Donald Trump, yeah, because Donald Trump's saying it, people are against it, which I think is idiotic.

But the way he views them, I also think is idiotic going against all these countries. But, yeah, I am very for terrorists. if they are helping. But again, I just don't see that working with the way he's been implementing them. Well, that's a long-term play. There has been some on-shoring. There has been some manufacturing that's come back to America. But finally, I'll give you this first round by. What did you want to say? You may have already said it, but about the future of the left. I know you're concerned about money and politics, but future of the left, do you think I'm hyperventilating? Maybe you're the guy. Maybe you're the guy. You know, I said, who could I ask here about what comes next?

What is it that you want? How revolutionary? Does it match the rhetoric? And you're not using that rhetoric, not with us. I don't know if you use it online. But what comes next? What do you want here? Yeah, the point I did want to call in and just say is, I think if the future of the party is continuing the Biden years, continuing what Kamala Harris ran on, which is really nothing,

the party is going to fail. They need – and I'm not saying I'm for all of the things these people are saying, like I said earlier, with Platner, but he, his style, the Bernie Sanders style, as you will, Mom Donnie even. So, I mean, don't, you know, I know Fox News and Mom Donnie has this big thing. I'm just saying he and the way he acts and the way he talks about the left. I think that is the way we succeed. If we go any other direction, it's bound to fail.

And that's kind of a really point. That is socialism. Mom Donnie is an open socialist, right? So you said in Mendego that you're not into that thing, but Maldon is about as close as we get to socialism as a big politician. Democratic socialism is what I think it should be. Wow, man. Socialism and democratic socialism definitely have their similarities in some ways, but Democratic socialism, everything Bernie has ever ran on. That's what the future should be. People are now just waking up to that.

I mean, on the left, we are now clamoring for how Hillary completely. can you swear on this? I'm not going to swear, but Hillary completely screwed him in 2016 and how different it would have been if that didn't happen. I think the left is starting to wake up to that. And like I said, I have no, you know, I'm not super into Maldane, not super into Platonair, but I just understand that they are the future. And I hope more people get to that point. Not only do I have somebody on the left that's calling in and watching, I have a Democratic Socialist watching. And so that is that's something.

I feel right at home. All right. Hey, by the way, before you go, Dan, do you have the phone number up on the show? How did he get the number? We have had it in the past. Do you have it up? It scrolls across the bottom. Anyone can call in.

I keep an eye out when I can. And anyone can call it at any time. All right. Obviously, as you just saw it here with first round by, you can also get on the air, even if you disagree. Maybe even more so if you disagree with me. Hey, listen, we appreciate you watching. hopefully over time that means I can win you over to what I would think would be a more rational path forward for the country but we don't only appreciate the call we appreciate you watching

first round by all right thanks well love the show we'll keep watching I'll keep commenting best to you all right take care man thank you how about that yeah I'm serious scripted stuff that was not one of my friends in the brunch crew I promise that was not one of them. It wasn't. I was going to have to get that. Is that one of your buddies, Dan? I did not set that up.

It was not one of my buddies, I promise. It's completely generic. Organic. That was great. Yeah, anyone could call in. Not generic, organic. Scrolling across the bottom of the screen. Calling at any time, we're here.

Not only can you, I want you to. Agree, disagree. I want that. That is what I want next in this show. Okay? If you want to know what I want next in this show, that's what I want. I'm a little taken aback.

that he believes what he believes and gives time to listening to us every day. Not because I'm surprised by the existence of people with curiosity out there, that people want to hear what the other side, quote unquote, other side might be saying. By the way, Bravo to the Five. I mean, the Five, they often say that. They have more people on the left that watch that show than MSNBC. But, yeah, very, very, very interesting. God, it felt good to have someone like mine on the show.

Oh, man. It's getting real lonely. Are you Democratic Socialists? It was getting real lonely. Are you Democratic Socialists? No, absolutely not. Breaking news today. Breaking news today.

No, no, no. All right. That was awesome. Appreciate him calling him. Okay. I do think that's also going to be, Patrick, are we allowed to wrap up the show today? Yeah, I don't know anything.

Be sure. I don't know anything for tomorrow. We have to have something. You're positive. have something for tomorrow. Just triple check your notes. I'm not kidding. The last couple days I started to say goodbye, he's like, well, I guess that's it.

Because that is it. That's going to do it for us today here on Will King Country. Thank you for listening. We'll hope you will see. There he goes. Follow us on Spotify or Apple. We'll see you next time. Listen to ad free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple podcast.

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