Will Cain Country - The Ruthless Podcast Gang: PLUS, Who has the lead in the 2024 Election?

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

Story #1: Who is winning roughly 42 days out from the Presidential election? Will breaks down the betting markets, electoral college models, and polling averages. Story #2: Can former President Donald Trump defeat Vice President Kamala Harris? Are sports just a modern-day bread and circuses? Featuring John Ashbrook, Michael Duncan, and 'Comfortably Smug' from the 'Ruthless Podcast.'  Story #3: Buy low on high ceiling guys. Will and the crew discuss a way to find a franchise quarterback that most NFL front offices are ignoring. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, who's winning? Betting markets, electoral college models, national polling averages. Who's winning? Kamala Harris or Donald Trump? Two, is sports just simply bred in circus a diversion from building not just a better country, but building a better man? Plus, where do we move in 2020? after Donald Trump. And why are young men, Gen Z, more religious than young girls, a wide-ranging conversation with the boys from the Ruthless Podcast?

Three, you know I'm fascinated by Reclamation Projects. You know I'm fascinated by Warren Buffett and applying it to sports by low-sale high. So how do you go get the next Sam Darnold? My top quarterbacks are reclamation projects. Coming up on the Will Cain Show. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Always on demand. You're listening on Terrestrial radio, something like a dozen markets coast to coast.

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I want to break down everything inside and outside the world of politics, culture, and sports with some of my favorite guests here on the Will Cain Show. But I want to start today by talking about, by figuring out, Where are we just a little over a month before the race for president? Nate, Silver, Harry Inton, betting markets seem to be all over the place. The debate didn't seem to move the needle in a significant margin for Kamala Harris. And yet, like an EKG monitor on a day-to-day basis, it seems to vacillate back and forth, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump. So where are we today? Who's winning the race for president? Let's get into that with

story number one. About as recently as a week ago, Nate Silver, who's managed to earn derision from both the left and the right, my estimation then therefore giving himself some semblance of credibility, was giving an electoral college prediction that the race was Donald Trump's. Now, this came in the wake of the debate for the presidency that most pundits suggested was won by Kamala Harris. He gave an electoral college model that said Donald Trump 312, Kamala Harris 226. That's from September 16th. This electoral college model, the only real models that matter, matter more than a national polling average, gave Donald Trump wins in Arizona.

Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin. The only, well, I guess now we would describe it as a battleground state. One by Kamala Harris would be Virginia. This would be a landslide election, as was predicted here on the Will Cain show. Very recently, by Newt Gingren. My brain was struggling. Who was it that gave us a landslide election prediction? And it was Newt Gingrich just about two weeks ago here on the Will Cain show that predicted

Dukakis versus Bush. And he said Kamala Harris would lose, in the end, significantly to Donald Trump. It seemed to have been backed up by Nate Silver. But then the polling began to change. In the last week or so, Nate Silver's model began to favor Kamala Harris. If you dig into swing state polling according to the Silver Bulletin, Kamala Harris is up in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada. She's up by anywhere from roughly three, one to three points,

an average polling margin nationally of 2.9 percent. Donald Trump maintained an edge in North Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona, anywhere from 0.4 to 1.5%. But what's interesting is if you dig into these numbers, what you have to compare it to is where was Joe Biden very similarly in 2020? Or what is the momentum in this particular election when it comes to polling? The last column on the latest Silver Bulletin is what caught my attention, the change from last month. We've talked about the impact of the debate. But even in states where Kamala Harris now has a margin of victory, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, it's moving in the direction of Donald Trump. In Pennsylvania, there's been a movement of 0.2% to Trump.

In Michigan, 1% in Wisconsin, 1.2%. In fact, if you dig into this, every single state listed shows movement towards Donald Trump, the biggest being Arizona plus 3.1% change from the last month for Trump, except for Florida, which still is a Republican state by 3.8%, but showed a 0.7% trend to Democrats. These are tighter margins than were maintained by Joe Biden in his lead, and the momentum seems to now be moving in the direction of Donald Trump. Now, Silver's latest prediction for the presidency shows Kamala Harris, his electoral college probability. Again, this is not a national polling average, which usually are worthless, shows 53.7% for Kamala Harris compared to 46% for Trump. And in this

particular probability prediction, you see a big move for Harris over the past month and a half. Now, she's only been in the race for roughly, what is it, three months now. And Donald Trump maintained a significant advantage back in the summer when it was Joe Biden. If you're watching here in the Will Cain Show Studios on YouTube or Facebook, you'll see a dotted line which represents Joe Biden leaving the race, and then you see it begin to tighten over the ensuing months to the point where now Harris has a 53.7 to 46% lead over Donald Trump. And that's reflected in current betting odds. This is real clear. odds, betting average, currently has Kamala Harris at 52.4% to Donald Trump's 46.1%. Underneath that,

it has Bet Fair, bets in Bovada, B-WIN, points bet, polymarket, smart markets, S-markets, all with a betting odd favoring Kamala Harris. The tides among them is Polymarket at 4946. I looked this morning, and Polymarket is even tighter than that particular, or not tighter, it actually favors Kamala Harris, 51 to 48%. Polymarket's a fascinating website, by the way, and everybody points out, Nate Silver works for Polymarket, and Polymarket is funded by Peter Thiel. Maybe. Maybe you can dismiss everything as – that's those on the left that recently hate Nate Silver.

Maybe you can dismiss everything as everyone has a hidden agenda, but Polly Market is also millions of people betting on these elections. In fact, what you can see is almost a billion dollars has been bet on the presidential election winner in 2024. 51% say Kamala Harris will win. Polymarket is fascinating, by the way. You can place bets on who'll win the popular vote. You can bet on which states tip the election. Will there be another debate?

23% chance, according to just over a million dollars bet. that there will be another debate for the presidency. What's worth, you can also bet on the Super Bowl champions, Chiefs, 16%, 49ers, 11%. You can bet on Premier League winner. 41% say Manchester City, 38% Arsenal. I was talking trash with Pierce Morgan this weekend over the Arsenal, Manchester City game.

He claimed moral victory. I didn't know they gave trophies and parades for moral victories. No one's going to be trying to claim moral victory when it comes to the race for president. And the latest headline for this prediction from Nate Silver is who's favored to win the 2024 presidential election. Harris wins 57 times out of 100 simulations, according to Silver Bulletin. Trump wins 42 times out of 100. That is according to Silver Bulletin.

Where do we stand today in the race for president? trying to put our finger on the pulse, taking as many different sources into account as we can, not just Nate Silver, but betting markets. It looks like today Kamala Harris is in the lead for the presidency. All that matters, though, is the polls in Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. And truthfully, all that matters isn't the polls, but the votes in those states. where we've already entered the early voting stage, for example, in a state like Virginia.

The game is on. If these predictions are correct, Kamala Harris is in the lead. Is it true? Let's break all that down coming up in just a moment with the boys of the Ruthless podcast coming up on the Will Cain Show. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes. people on the streets of New York City to play along. Let's see how you do.

Take the quiz every day at the quiz.com. Then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz. Why are young men, Gen Z? More religious than young women for the first time in the history of America. Plus, we need to focus on 2024, but I can't help but be fascinated by what happens after Donald Trump. Where do we go in 2028? Let's talk about that

here with story number two and the boys of the Ruthless podcast, joining us on the Will Kane show. What's up, fellas? Hey, how you doing Wilf? Thanks for having us, Will. What's going on, man? Ashbrook, you got your first win in fantasy football. Proud of you. Something

I haven't been able to accomplish. Oh, and three, you've managed to rise up from the depths in the cellar. You're one and two. Yeah, it was a big week. Brock Purdy had a nice Sunday, and I was really happy with the outcome. I got you this coming week. I don't know if you saw that.

No, I'm not, I hadn't focused. I hadn't looked forward yet, but I will in time because this is getting embarrassing. For the Friends of the Will Kane show, Fantasy Football League, for Will Kane to be in dead last is an absolute embarrassment. It's a fun league. We got Byron Donald, Andy McCarthy, A.J. Prisinski, you know, former Major League Baseball star, All in the League, and John Ashbrook. who, as I mentioned, got his first big win.

Big win this weekend. He doesn't have his first NFL win, though. I just want to point out the Bengals lost on Monday night football, which cost us our ruthless parlay, where we parlay all of our teams into one bet. The Broncos won, the Colts won, the Vikings won, and then Ashbrook dropped the ball last night. We're very disappointed.

Yeah, our defense has some holes. That's each of... You can relate to it, Will... When does Joe... Yeah, I can relate to it. I will say I saw I saw something that made me happy is like when does Joe Burrow get the same treatment

as Dak Prescott? He's 0 and 3 and he's whatever he is. He's got quarterback in the NFL. He's 0 and 3. He's not cooked. He was 29 for 38, 342 yards last night. You know what? Three touchdown passes.

Will, I don't call him Joey B. I call him Joey Quarter B for the quarter billion dollar contract. He signed it. I'd love that. I'd love to divide that by the number of wins he's had since he inked to that deal. That sounds crazy. somebody said this all this all went downhill for burrow when he started dressing like a lesbian

that's what it all went downhill for joe burrow you know it's outrageous the guy's the best quarterback in the NFL um i need to break down though of whose team is who so so ashbrook's got the bingles and you rattled off the broncos the vikings and what was the fourth team you got to tell me who's is who yeah uh me for your listeners michael duncan i'm from indianapolis originally colts fan tried and true You know, we got our own struggles, but, you know, we're not as bad as the Bears, thankfully. So we managed to eke one out. And smug for your listeners. I'm a Broncos fan.

Born in Denver. I wish we could get Peyton or John a way back. Yeah. And then Holmes, who is the Vikings fan. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah.

We got three of the four of Ruthless here today. I'm curious what you guys think, you know, I woke up this morning, and this is one of my favorite things to do as I get older. I went to breakfast with some of my buddies, and maybe it's like I'm turning into the old man, you know, having coffee at the gas station and breaking down the world's problems. But, you know, I do this maybe once a week, just have breakfast with my friends. I'm too old now to have happy hour rough. And my life doesn't fit happy hour. I've got kids.

I'm taking to various places. So breakfast becomes the thing. And all everybody was, there was two conversations at breakfast this morning. One was how was Glenn Yonkin? I just interviewed Glenn Yonkin. a discussion of the vision of the Republican Party after Donald Trump. We'll get to that in a moment here with you guys from Ruthless. But also, where are we?

Just these are all guys who have, you know, admittedly have been very successful in life. So they're gravitating and they're attracted to things like betting markets. You know, they're rattling off the latest from Nate Silver. So we just broke it down for the audience here on the Will Can Show. And everything seems to suggest right now from betting markets to Nate Silver and electoral college maps that right now Kamala Harris, is winning the race for presidency. Yeah, I'd say that on paper,

but I think the important thing to remember, Will, is that Donald Trump's actually performing better in 2024 than he was in 2020 or 2016 at this point, at this snapshot in the fall before election day. And, you know, Donald Trump, probably more than any politician in the history of our country, outperforms his polling. We've seen that both in 2020 and obviously,

2016 but i mean everyone in 2020 was predicting a landslide for joe biden and it came down to 40 000 votes over like six states you know so with all of that information and not just theoretical like a poll but actual votes you got to feel pretty good if you're donald trump but to the other point of your of your whole table center which i thought was fantastic by the way and i think you got the right guess for it i loved everything um it is early voting now absentee by mail and now. So, you know, over the course of the next week and two weeks, as we get reports back from Secretary of State's offices in places like Virginia and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, we're going to get some ground truth. We're going to start to see real numbers of real votes in the bank,

and I think we'll be able to make more educated guess, guesses based on that. Do you guys, I'll put to you Ashbrook and Smug as well, do you put, to Michael's point, much optimism if you're a supporter of Donald Trump in that what we're seeing some reports of is a good job by Republicans, the RNC, of registering more Republican voters than in the past. So, you know, for example, Michael mentioned Pennsylvania, right? So I saw last night that there's some county in Pennsylvania, Republicans have hit record-setting numbers of registered voters, and you'd like to think that is the type of thing that translates into better than in the past when it comes to early voting.

Yeah, it's huge for Republicans. I mean, the RNC is putting a big emphasis on that particular thing this year. There's this guy, Scott Pressler, the tall guy who's out there in Pennsylvania signing people up left and right. But I think Republicans have another advantage heading into November that Democrats do not. And that's we've had a year of practice. Remember, there was a long primary for President Trump to recapture the nomination. And he got the practice swings in Iowa and New Hampshire. Remember how organized his team was to be.

beat the other candidates in those states a lot of people forget it democrats they just worked in a back room to swap their candidates they haven't had any practice in in a long time and i think it's going to show in november yeah smug if you were making a prediction right now i gave you a nate silver's prediction which by the way nate silver's predictions are a thermometer not a thermostat i don't know if that's the exact right analogy they change like he tells you where he is today he may be different next week you know polymark it's more interesting although that's also a gauge it's a gauge of today so if i'm asking you smug right now um what what do you think 51 kamala 48 trump what is your reading of where we'll be in november well i think trump's in it to win it i think

i would go with trump winning this election um you'd mention how it's like a thermometer not thermostat, specifically because what Nate Silver does is he creates models of probability. So it's like he had described earlier that a simulation of a hundred elections, Donald Trump wins 42 of them. And we've seen simulations in the past. Nate Silver took a victory lap because he was the only pundit who I think he had 20 out of 100 simulations Trump winning in 2016 and everyone else had Trump at maybe like a 1% chance. So I think given, again, like Duncan was saying earlier, compared to the position Trump was

that in 2016 and 2020 i think he's in a stronger situation right now and more likely to win the presidency yeah and i think i mentioned that but that's that's him to duncan said it like trump under polls that's historically true and and this is a better scenario a better picture today for trump than he's been in in the past so if that's true if he under polls then it could end up being when you when you feel good smug about Trump, do you feel so good then, and this is to all three of you, I'm just curious, we'll go around the horn real quickly, that you would agree with a guy like Newt Gingrich? This is like Dukakis. This actually could be Silver's model from September 16th.

This could be a landslide for Trump. So the only thing that worries me is overconfidence, because like Duncan said, ballots have just gone out. The polls don't matter. What matters is the votes. So I don't want people hearing this that, oh, Trump's in a better position. you know, we can rest on our laurels and everyone, you know, celebrate on Election Day. Now, now's the time we see we're in a good position to close this, and now's the time to actually win the game.

When the ballots are out, we need to make sure our neighbors, if we live in these states, no, hey, it's time to bank that vote. Do it now. You don't know what's going to happen on Election Day. It could rain. It could be a blizzard. Your kid could get sick. You could have a million other things to do. Take care of that one thing you need to do now and take care of it. Just don't even worry about it. And it also makes the president's campaign way more efficient. Like if you go in and bank your vote early by, you know, voting in person early, then they can take you out of the list of voters. They got a contact. They don't have to send you a text.

They don't have to call you. They don't have to knock on your door and allows the Republican Party to focus more on low propensity voters. That's been a huge emphasis of both the Trump campaign and the RNC because in a presidential election year, you have a lot of people who don't normally vote in midterms or in local races show up. up and be like, I want to be part of this. That's where our real opportunity is in growing the 10 for the Republican Party is the, you know, the hardcore people show up early, bank their vote so that they can focus resources on getting low propensity of voters to turn out for the Republican party. Yeah, I think this election is a jump ball, to be honest with you. It is very, very close. And it's going to be decided by 40 or 50,000 votes in these key states we've already talked about.

And if people aren't getting out, Kamala Harris could walk away with a victory. So everybody has to focus right now on finishing very, very strong. You know the Trump campaign is not resting on their laurels thinking that, oh, Newt Gingrich says it's a landslide. So therefore, we can just mail it in for the next four weeks. They're working their asses off, and it shows, at least from the outside, looking in. And I think, man, this election is going to be very similar to what we saw in 2020. we have an evenly divided country, and we need to make sure that every single person who likes Trump comes out in votes.

All right, I want to bring you guys, I think you're the perfect guest for the other conversation I had this morning at breakfast. And the impetus was that last Friday I sat down, met for the first time the governor of Virginia, Glenn Yonkin. And there is a certain type of conservative that shows a lot of interest in Glenn Yonkin. And that type of conservative might be you guys. You know, I'd be curious. I mean, you guys, I don't know that all four of you did, but did you all work for Mitch McConnell?

Or was it just a couple of you that were in the shop? Yes. Smog did. But I did and Ashbrook did and Holmes did. Yeah, yeah. The 2014 campaign in the 2020. Yeah. Yeah, smug was quick.

I'm a cross-suits guy. Yeah, right. Okay. The New York guy. Yeah. So this version of conservatism, this particular Republican, is very enthused by Glenn Yonkin. There is another, and I'll be interested to see if this other is represented by Smug, who would say, and I've had this said to me specifically in these words, my spidey sense is up about Glenn Yonkin and that he represents a return to what was left behind when the Republican Party was reshaped by Donald Trump. In other words, he is Mitt Romney.

The accusation is that here you're talking about a, you know, a private equity guy, a dealmaker worth half a billion dollars, a country club Republican. Now, Yonkin has managed through his good material races and being the governor of Virginia to sort of threat in Neville where he's in touch with the issues that are important to MAGA. At least he was in 2021 when he was elected, you know, the educational issues, the cultural issues, CRT. But I sense this, and I know everybody's focused on 24 as well they should be, but I can't help but be fascinated by what comes after Donald Trump. He told Cheryl Atkinson this weekend in an interview the former CBS reporter that he wouldn't run in 28 if he loses. That's what was said by Donald

Trump, which leads to what is the Republican Party after Donald Trump. And I sense that if it's Yonkin, there's going to be a big debate between MAGA and the establishment about whether or not he adequately represents both wings of the party. Well, I would say about Glenn Yonkin, he's a very interesting case in that from the outside, you might think he looks like, you know, a polished country club Republican like Mitt Romney. You know, I can understand that there be worries about that. But you actually look at what he's been doing. And he's been governing as, you know, a staunch conservative.

It's terrific. You look at his record what he's been doing in terms of education. And how strongly he's been standing. with President Trump in Virginia, which is, you know, not a very easy state to be openly Republican these days. He's been standing strong supporting President Trump. And beyond that, you see his record of going out across the country working to elect other Republicans in other states. I see him as a team player. I think there's also a fundamental question that needs to be asked is like, what is MAGA without Donald Trump? Right? Because, you know, I mean, you could throw Brian Kemp.

into that same bucket with Glenn Yonkin and you know Donald Trump recruited a primary opponent David Purdue to Kemp in Georgia but Georgia I mean it was a swing state and Brian Kemp is a rock rib conservative I mean you look at the legislative history that he was able to to accomplish electoral reform heartbeat bill also all sorts of things rock rib conservative he ended up winning that primary by like 50 points yeah you know And so, I don't know. I think like Donald Trump is a man himself. And what he is, I don't know necessarily through transitive property, goes forward to somebody

else who wants to pick up the MAGA banner. I'm sure many will try. But I think for, you know, Republican politicians, the Republican Party writ large, I mean, we should just look for conservatives who actually can get things done. And I think like Brian Kemp and Glenn Yunkin are perfect examples of that. I don't think we need to be, like, scared of our shadow back to 2012 and Mitt Romney. I don't think either of them are Mitt Romney. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think. And by the way, I think that what Donald Trump has done has changed our party fundamentally in perpetuity. Because there are so many people in our country who have felt overlooked for so long, people in flyover country that have now been given a voice. And any Republican who wants to win an election going forward cannot overlook that important segment of vote. voters. And you have to look at something else. There is a section of the establishment that has moved themselves out of the Republican Party. I'm thinking of the Cheney's. I'm thinking of other Republicans who have worked for previous presidential campaigns who are now supporting socialist Kamala Harris. Those people will have no say in the future of the Republican Party

because we're moving on is a different sort of coalition without them. And I don't think that our party is going to ever nominate somebody who looks like Mitt Romney again. It's going to look like a hybrid of what President Trump has done and what other Republicans say that we need to do to win. What Republicans need to do, we need to win. We need to get more votes than Democrats. And if we don't do that, they're going to ruin our country even more than they have over the last four years. And so I think for the future of our party, I think that what President Trump has built is going to last and nobody is going to be him whoever runs again whether it's camp whether it's yonkine whether it's somebody else none of that they're going to have their own thing

but i don't think it's as simple as oh it's mitt romney or it's don't trump i think it's going to be a hybrid of what donald trump has built that addresses problems that arise here in the next you know four eight years okay i want to dig into what you just said ashbrook i'm fascinated by this idea that republicanism has or conservatism has been changed by donald trump and maga into perpetuity so what i sense is i sense here's the divide there is an appetite to return to what was in the past and i don't know how to describe that okay are we going to call it respectability politics or we're going to call it establishmentarian politics but there is i don't know how big that appetite is, but I do know that it exists to say, you know, and I'm not going to put words

in any one particular person's mouth, but move past Marjorie Taylor Green, move past Matt Gates. I'm not endorsing this point of view. I'm describing for everyone watching and listening into you three that I know this does exist within republicanism. I made the argument in response, no, this has been a positive movement, as you just said, to focus on people who have been looked over in the past. And this populism within republicanism is a net, not just a net, an overwhelming virtue, not a vice. Now, that same side would argue what you just did Ashbrook, yeah, but you have to win. And I understand that. I had a debate yesterday with Tommy Leonard. Like, you can't do a government shutdown three weeks before an election because you didn't get the safe act. That's like

literal insanity. You would lose the presidency and you would lose the house. You would lose everything. so you can't just like plant your flag on the smallest battles while you lose the war so there is a pragmatism to party politics that you have to understand about winning but if we're not going to go back i want somebody who can take us forward by threading that needle who can say i understand the necessity to make deals i understand the nature of politics i also am a true believer in the new vision of republicanism so who can i find my whole whole pitch is move forward in this vision. It's not easy. I put it to three of you to find someone that you trust actually is those two things. I think for a moment, no, I actually think now I believe

Ron DeSantis is that merger. I also think Ron DeSantis has real limitations in a ceiling when it comes to retail politics. That's, that's again, not cheerleading. That's analysis. I know Ron DeSantis fans get super offended and mad, but I would love it if he were really good at walking into a on Fox and Friends and work in the crowd because that's how you win elections but i don't see it i think in fact i see the opposite i hope i'm proven wrong about desantis and i don't know if it's yonkin and the question then becomes if it is yonkin versus say Donald trump junior right i agree with you duncan by the way about the transitive property that trump doesn't just no one else is ready to inherit that maga label i don't know trump junior has the same last name

that will appeal in a lot of ways to a lot of people. I don't know how we thread this needle to progress forward to incorporate everything into one winning party. Well, one thing I always say is that no one ever won a presidential election on someone else's movement, right? So you see like Trump didn't try to use George W. Bush's platform to run for president. George W. Bush didn't try to use Bob Dole's movement. So it'll have to be someone, who has a unique appeal to voters. And I think a good example, maybe why not

Vivek Ramosami, who's built a humongous movement that is not I am the heir to MAGA, but I'm out there speaking to people about what issues move them and he saw the result of that. He saw a crowd develop around him wanting to listen to his message, which continues today. Everywhere he goes,

people want to listen. Also, when it comes to, you said earlier almost like a respectability, I kind of see that and winning is two separate issues in that we've kind of entered this weird age where attention is the most important form of currency. And you don't just see it on the Republican side. You'll see AOC on the Democrat side.

You'll see even the Kamala Harris campaign, they don't want to talk about any for policies. They're like, oh, it's just Brat Summer. You know, this is vibes. That's all we're running on. So there has been, unfortunately, a movement more towards what can I do to get attention as opposed to what can I do to solve people's problems? At the same time, I would say it's, it's. still important to find a way to engage, you know, especially the youth vote. You see Trump's

been able to do that, whether he's streaming with these streamers, I have a million people watching live, you know, young voters, you'd mention young males who typically elections don't even try, or campaigns don't even try reaching out to younger voters, taking them for granted, saying, oh, they're just, they're never going to vote. They're never going to do anything. But there's a significant audience out there interested in politics, who wants to be engaged, who wants to hear how we're going to make things better, especially when the other side said, there's no point in having kids there's no future we're all doomed yeah i guess the only thing i would add to that smug do you other two think oh go ahead real quick duncan no yeah just incorporate

this into what you're about saying do you think vivake's got a do you think the vague ceiling is really high enough to win a national election see the other thing about vivake and i'm a big fan actually of a vague i just to your point of attention smug i worry that the right is getting increasingly good at creating valuable podcasts and not increasingly good at winning elections. Yeah. So, I mean, I was pretty critical of Vecke during the primary because it felt like a lot of one-upsmanship, like Ron DeSantis would say something and he'd be like, I agree with that, but I think we should go further and do X. And that is the thing. And I think like, you know, when you're talking about where MAGA goes and where the conservative movement goes after the election, you got to recognize

politics as a competition. Like, there's a competitive in. for that attention. And so a lot of people are going to be selling you a lot of different things. And a lot of people are going to be telling you, if only it was them, we actually would have accomplished the thing. We would have got the Safe Act, you know, in the budget deal or what have you, but somebody's letting you down and I'm the only one who can deliver it. Right. And so, like, that's something for the voters to suss out here in the future. But I would say, and look, the one thing that Smug had mentioned about, you know, Donald Trump didn't just pick up the mantle from George W. Bush and run his same platform is like one of the things that that you know Donald Trump

really succeeded and was sort of like breaking this legacy politics in the Republican Party of like the next guy up is the oldest one who took second in the last election right like he was on stage with Jeff Bush and he's like it's it should be the end of the Bush dynasty if you make it somebody like Don Jr. aren't you just doing the same thing right so I worry about that of a component of it for Trump or the MAGA movement. I would just say, like, everybody's got to keep their powder dry and see what happens in November. That's going to tell us a lot more about where the future of the movement is.

And there will be some autopsy if somehow Donald Trump comes up short about what we did wrong and what we needed to do better. Wait, so Ashbrook, let me do it this way. Okay, now I've been forcing you into this, this like, okay, let's look forward into the future, right? Yonk and DeSantis, Vive. Okay, I'm going to take that away. I'm giving you history.

You have everybody you ever wanted. You have Reagan. If you want Teddy Roosevelt, you have Teddy Roosevelt. Who, who, like, if, who is it that you think actually could, if I'm right, needs to thread this needle? And I, by the way, I respect what Smug had to say. It's not threading the needle between MAGA and establishment. It's actually maybe something you had never considered yet, a new vision of the Republican Party. But still, it has to unite a base and an establishment.

give me it. Who is that person? You have history. Well, here's the thing, man. We sitting here talking about this right now, we are not the people who decide those things. Those are decided by people who live in Iowa and New Hampshire and other early primary states. And the person who's able to thread that needle or provide a brand new vision for the Republican Party and for conservatives and people who need something more from their government than crackdowns on them and immigrants being shipped to their communities, that person will be sussed out in these early primaries. And whether it's Vivek, and I think he's a pretty exciting guy, I think he's got something fresh that he offers, unique ideas. I think that Brian Kemp's got something interesting to offer.

I think Yonken has something interesting to offer. The nice thing about a brand new slate of candidates, whether Don Jr. is a part of that, whether J.D. Vance, who's been really like killing it in interviews and speeches and he just gets better and better and better every time you hear him whoever that person is you know Nikki Haley comes back whoever that person is that they're going to they're going to be chosen by Republican primary voters and I can't sit here and today and tell you who that's going to be he weasel that or you guys keep skipping Ron DeSantis yeah I just keep noticing you got Vivek then you got Vivek Nikki Haley J.D Glenn Yunkin Brian Kemp I mean, it's noticeable that you guys have not mentioned.

Unintentional. Unintentional. I love Ronnie D. What he's done in that state with taking out the Python problem, it's very creative. I don't know if you followed this will, but he sets up a contest every year to remove this scourge of Python from the southern part of the state. It's very creative. The guy is a can-do governor. I mean, there's a hurricane bearing down on Florida as we speak, and everybody knows that when that hurricane hits,

Rhonda Santas is going to be there to help them when they need him. So the guy has something to offer. And maybe like glad-handing in a diner isn't what people want. Maybe they want him to stand up and say, look, maybe I'm not the most friendly, gregarious personality, but I can get things done and I can win. And that might be the attractive message to people. Did you see him twist the knife? Well, he said, you know, this guy is weird in public and that he can't really glad him with people. What a backhanded compliment.

You can't win with these guys. Own it, man. Rootless. ruthless okay i'm not i'm not i i know i know so many people are like probably why you focused on 28 you should be focused on 24 i don't know the answer is because i'm fascinated by what happens after don't trump so last question on this i'm not going to let ashbrook off the hook so i'm going to do it in a more direct manner would ronald regan we're going to do several so we don't have to just i just want to know your thoughts do you think in a primary race for president in 2028, Ronald Reagan could win. Come as a governor in California who knocked off Gavin Newsom, maybe.

I mean, if Ronald Reagan were running for governor in California and somehow turned that state red again, people around the country are going to be interested in how he won. I think what people will want is a winner. They want somebody with a track record of winning. And if we're in a horrible scenario where Kamala is president, everybody is going to want to win. And I think that will be an important component for whoever's running. So, I mean, I have a controversial opinion on this. I would say no.

And I probably wouldn't vote for him in a primary because he passed amnesty. And the biggest problem that we have right now, the chairman of the Farrell Reserve said unemployment's going up because we have illegal aliens pouring across the border. we need someone who's going to actually address the problems now and right now front of mind for all voters is the economy and illegal immigration and now we've seen those aren't two separate issues that's one issue good point yeah i guess the other thing i would say is like is he's running against donald trump you know because if he's running against don't trump that's a tough election for ronnie uh you know i mean like i would love to vote for ronald ragan i wish i could have you know what wasn't born yet unfortunately but um you know i'd be people just trust Donald Trump. It's attitudinal will to your point of like people want to fight or it's it's less about the policy. I mean, I would point out that Donald Trump has the most moderate position on abortion of anyone who ran in the Republican primary and Donald Trump won evangelicals in Iowa by double digits. So how do you how do you make sense of that? Well, you only make sense of that because he has such a connection to the Republican primary electorate that they just trust he's going to do the right thing like that he is going to deliver them the success that they want.

And so it's just, he's entirely his, his own thing, unlike any other candidate we've ever seen in our lifetime. Yeah. I mean, the guy took a bullet jump up and said, fight,

fight, fight, yeah, just incredible. That is original. That is one of a kind. Yeah, I mean,

I like what you had to say, Smug. I do think that you have to be original. You have to re-envision. I also think, you know, like, you guys know Tim Dillon,

the comedian, right? He's got a new show on Netflix. Yeah. It's going to be a hit. But it's not original. It is basically Jerry Springer. He's brought back to Jerry Springer.

And I was looking at that the other day and thinking, you don't have to reinvent the wheel. Like, things keep coming back. You know, and I think, okay, well, who would it be? JFK? I just spilled water all in my studio. Who is it? Is it JFK?

Is it, you know, could George W. Bush win the Republican primary? uh and so forth so i don't know i want to uh move to this really quickly uh one of my producers saw this tweet i don't know who this guy is but he's like one of these self-help business guys i'll read it for you but uh number one productivity hack i don't watch sports on tv i used to spend 10 to 20 hours per week watching and paying attention to college and pro sports now barely any you always have time if you make it it's part of this idea that you know sports is bread and circus it's a diversion and there's a lot of guys on the right who are making that argument now and it's used to keep you from building not just a better country, but becoming a better man.

What do you guys think about sports being an unnecessary exercise in bread and circus? I think that's a nerd opinion, honestly. And I would love for you to go to that person's handle on Twitter and scroll back a couple of years and see the things they tweet about. Is it Star Wars? Is it Star Trek? Is it Dungeons and Dragons? There are a lot of things that are distractions in life. And distractions are healthy.

It's a coping mechanism for human beings. We've been doing it since caveman painted on walls thousands of years ago. It's okay to have a period of your day where you turn your brain off. I don't get this obsession. It happens every single fall. You've got me very animated. It happens every single fall. Right as football season starts up, you've got some of these nerds on Twitter talking about sports ball and bread and circuses and all this BS.

Okay, fine. All right. Like, what book did you publish today? You know? It's like, I've got two kids. Will, I got two kids. I got two jobs, including this podcast and a consulting firm. You know, we work 14 hours a day.

We're raising kids. I deserve some time to not have to think about that. Like, I've got hobbies, you know? Everybody has hobbies. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I wish it was bread and circus. I wish you could watch sports and have time to completely unplug, but then you'll have ESPN being like, today's George Floyd Award goes to.

And it's like, are you? Seriously. It's people who try to say this stuff like it's a distraction from from your grind set and rising grind. They need better time management. It's that simple. Like if you can actually make it like you can do things other than work. It's it's it's really surprising. It's necessary and healthy for people to be able to have some time for themselves to unwind or else I mean you I've seen people you know when I worked in finance who are putting an actual hundred hour weeks and they became miserable people at work. They became miserable people at work. They became miserable. people at home on their second or third wives. Yeah. It's not healthy to do that to yourself. Right. And it's also people who just are mad internally and they never say this because they're not part of the conversation.

Yeah. They don't get it. Fine. Okay. Fine. Just say nothing. But they can't do that. Well, what they got to say is this is bread and circuses.

This is keeping you from reading this latest treatise from some white paper. And it's like, it's just total bullshit. They're not doing that. It is. It's a garbage take. It's like this is just like they did in the Roman. empire. And I'm sure watching the gladiators was great. It wasn't the NFL. And I just am so thankful that we have the NFL for as long as we do in the fall. And by the way, sports are good

for kids. Yep. I mean, playing youth sports is one of the best development things that any kid could do. It teaches you how to win, how to lose, how to be a part of a team, how to make yourself better. I mean, if you were just sitting in your room playing video game, I mean, I actually think that video games have a benefit. But if you were just sitting by yourself not interacting with other people you never learn how to interact with other people and that ruins society it ruins you as a person yeah i love that you know because i have this self-reflection going on um because i've certainly invested in sports when it comes to my kid and we probably if you're like dividing up time devoted it's way too much it's it's not right so but then

i reverse justify it like no no no you're learning all of these things that apply to life um and i think it is true. Everything you just laid out Ashbrook. And then I think about individual development as well. My boys play soccer and then football, but they're the kicker and the punter on the football team. That's the best way to get scholarship.

You know, I'm going to... There's only one or two spots. But like last night, one of my kids coaches, and he's got a pretty hardcore coach, which I've hinted out a couple of times on this show, but he said to my son, good job. But next time, do it

less effeminate. Do it more masculine. You know, like, and I'm like, that's wonderful. He said, can you be more mean? And I'm like, this is actually good. I want my kid to be forced to be like a little more mean. He's the nicest kid in the world. And he's pretty good, but how much better would he be if he was a little mean? And but even beyond that, I don't know, I've talked about this and never do you guys. There's a thing called, I get fascinated by this when it comes to soccer, but called Oudaloup. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. Udoloup is an acronym. It was developed by John Boyd who developed the F-16, a famous American fighter pilot.

And it's a fluid thing, right, a dog fight. So the idea is the guy that's going to win the dog fight, if you set aside technology, is the guy that can observe, orient, decide, and act, and then loop through that process the fastest. So you have to observe what's going on, orient yourself what's in the action, make a decision, act, and then because you've acted, you've changed the state of play, go back to observation again really quickly and go through it. So the best players, the guy intellectually, it can do that.

And that's what they're learning in sports. And I apply it to everything in life. You know, they open a car door and bang it into the next car parked next to us. I'm like, did you doodle loop that? Did you see that there was a car there? Did you think through? And that's, I think it's everything. It's politics, it's business.

Like, just think through. I, the point of this monologue is, to Ashbrook's point, I think sports is the perfect mechanism to make yourself better, not just rise and grind and pretend like you read. to Duncan's point, treaties you don't really read. Yes, exactly. I mean, what it comes down to is like processing adversity, right? And no, like every kid has to learn that in sports.

You come into conflict with something and you have to resolve it. And sometimes you're going to fail. That's also super, super healthy for kids to learn. But you also learn, you know, why do we have all these problems today in society where it's like kids are overwhelmed by anxiety and things and like they can't overcome problems? and it's always somebody else's fault. Well, it's because they've never been in front of a group of people and lost and had to get better. And that's why sports, I think, is so healthy for society.

And I would also argue the most beneficial thing about sports and competition happens off the field because the most important lesson for a young person to learn is that all the gains you get, all the benefits, do not come instantaneously. They can see that the hard work that they put in day and day out practicing, trying to get better, and then they can go look back six months a year and reflect upon the progress that they've made they learn the most valuable lesson of life which is where if you put in the work

it may not necessarily get you a round of applause immediately but it improves you as a person that's the whole point yeah that's such a good point because it's the opposite of what kids get when they're on an iPad on an iPad you download the app it takes three seconds you open the app if it's not working you close it you'd read down like you go to the next YouTube video

instant instant gratification that is the opposite that's it and what smug said is exactly what buffett Warren Buffett says that's the biggest predictor of success can you have a kid who understands delayed gratification you know the marshmallow test uh yeah put them in a room by themselves one marshmallow and you tell them if you don't eat it you'll get two right and the kid that can pass up eating the marshmallow is the kid that understands delayed gratification and a huge predictor for success

I teased it so I want to get to it before I let you guys go fascinating article in the New York Times Gen Z men more religious than young women, and it's the first time that's been seen in American history. Pretty fascinating. And I can say with two young men in my house, I think it's true. I look around to high school, I look around their lives.

It's pretty interesting, on their own, you know, moving in that direction. I don't know what it says about young ladies, but I think that's a really healthy sign for the future of America. I think so. I mean, you look at right now, where young men are that are growing up for the past decade they've been told that they're toxic that they're unwanted that they're predators that they don't provide any value that they should be left behind the workplace you see women are now graduating at a much higher percentage

than males and so religion is a healthy place for young men to see guidance and affirmation and see that there is something beyond this world where we're surrounded by noise and social media, which I would say also on the other side of the coin, has had a really deleterious effect on women, where so much of the focus can be on, like, what is someone on Instagram saying a nice house looks like? Should I be on a yacht in Italy? Because this person on Instagram says I should be on a yacht in Italy. So it's had a very bad effect in terms of what younger women are focused on. We've seen the hit that that's had on their self-esteem. Yeah, I think we're definitely seeing the pendulum swing back in society for all the points that Smug mentioned is this instant notification culture, the scrolling of Instagram, the I want it now stuff, vain things. It's like, I think the youth of today are like starting to look back to like, how does my life have value and what is a valuable life? And so like that's, that's a really, really good sign, I hope. And Ashbrook has three girls and they're, they're older than my boys. So maybe he's got more.

And they're great kids. So he's got advice on this. Well, that's only because of my wife. 100% my wife. But I do think, I think, you know, it's interesting that they broke it down between men and boys and girls. But I do think that girls in this and then coming up generation, I think that there is sort of a desire from them to have the same sort of real meaning in life than that you don't get from Instagram. It's like, oh, wait a minute, 1,600 likes on a post doesn't actually equal value. It equals 1,600 likes on a post.

So people are looking for something more than technology has to offer. And I think that is a very good development for society. Last thing I want to say is I think what's really sad beyond the way that, you know, young men have been maligned is there's no longer a space for young men. I was lucky when I was growing up in Colorado, there were the Boy Scouts. We could get our BB guns. We'd go out hunting. We'd learn how to tie knots. We'd learn how to fish.

That space is no longer for young men. You go to a Home Depot and you see Boy Scouts selling popcorn and it's three girls at the table. There's no, society no longer allows young men to have a space for themselves to develop and become better people. In general, there's no men's, it's not just young men, right? No more male only country clubs. They're a real rarity. There's people in writing about the mental health status of men and how much you need that sort of male space in your life. All right, Michael Duncan, comfortably smugged John Ashbrook.

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by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. Let's bring in the boys. Tinfoil Pat, youngest establishment James. I know Justin has a lot on this topic as well, right? Justin, you're ready to go. Oh, I'm ready. About quarterbacks.

Right. Okay, good. Been warned, Justin has nothing on sports as he fills in for two days, Dan. Now married, by the way, on his honeymoon? he's married off our boy done grown up so nice it's only one bad she left and he's young Justin are you married I am almost five years now okay so yeah how's it going so far so good okay um yeah yeah it's just an establishment james I got married just before COVID had so we didn't have to

like cancel or any of that Oh, yeah? Mm-hmm. Got your honeymoon in? Yeah. Yeah, it was October of 2019. We actually went to Disney. World?

Mm-hmm. Disney World. Nice. Yeah. You stay at, what did you do? Animal Kingdom? Where'd you stay? Grand Floridian and a timeshare.

Oh, yeah. Nice. Nice. Do a little Epcot, a little taste of the world. Did it all, yeah. I like Epcot the best personally, yeah. I'm not I'm not mess with you actually Spend five years at ESPN which is a Disney owned company

You get into the parks for free And you get half price on the hotels And I'm not an amusement park guy So I would kind of make fun of that stuff Until I went and I went and I was like Oh I kind of get it like It's pretty amazing Meaning those resorts are

Like you are You feel like you're somewhere else wherever that is, you know, the Polynesian. And then, and then, like, the Animal Kingdom Park. Like, you walk around parts of that, and you feel like, this kind of feels like authentically like an African village right here, you know, the markets and so forth. And then I love that about Epcot.

Like, you walk from country to country. And they do a good job in, like, a little bit of space to make it feel like you're really there. Oh, yeah. I don't poo poo. You get to eat and drink your way around the whole world, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty fun. All right. Honeymoon at Disney. Here's my proposition. Always been fascinated by Warren Buffett. I'm always fascinated by zinging when everyone else is zagging. I believe in the wisdom of crowds, but I also think the crowds are capable of huge mistakes. That's the nature of capitalism. It's the best we've got, but that doesn't make it perfect. Markets are inefficient. There's manias. And can you zig when everyone else is zagging? I also think that sports is a group think world. It just is. I don't think it's filled with geniuses. It's getting sort of,

smarter, but I think it's represented plenty of opportunity to see everyone else is fascinated with hand size. Well, maybe my quarterback won't end up with 10-inch hands. You know, maybe he can actually be good regardless of how many inches his fingers are. This is made famous, of course, with Moneyball and Billy Bean with the Oakland days. In baseball, talking about everybody's captured by this one set of thoughts, what if we re-envision it with a different metric and find out, find players who can really play? Well, the NFL group think is defined by finding the right quarterback in the top 10 picks of the NFL draft.

It's home runs. It's basically home runs. It's like there's no on-based percentage in the NFL. There's no development. There's no singles. It's all like hit the home run or not. Did I get my savior at the quarterback position? Did I not?

And I had a tweet go viral this week that like, well, Clint Kubiak is doing what he's doing with Derek Carr. Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota is doing what he's doing with Sam Darnold. Of course, Kyle Shanahan's doing what he's doing with Brock Purdy. And there's more and more examples of coaches and teams finding guys who were either not drafted high or who were already discarded on the trash heap and developing them into a winning quarterback. I saw Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame quarterback, responded to my tweet last night. Well, we'll see.

Like, if somebody, if one of these guys wins the Super Bowl, then I'll believe. And that's a legitimate point. the point is not to be three and oh in the first three weeks of the season is to win the Super Bowl and historically top quarterbacks out of the draft have been the guys to actually win it all there there are exceptions jeff hostettler with the giants but they are exceptions so here's my proposition if this is the current group think modus operandi in the NFL but yet history also suggests you got to have one of these highly talented guys a top 10 pick we should be a the Warren Buffett philosophy of buying low when everyone else is discarding on the trash heap.

But here's the key. They're not lotto tickets that you just buy one of. When you go play the lotto, do you buy one ticket or do you buy five to ten tickets, right? And hope that one of those numbers, because the point is they're dollar tickets or I don't play the lotto or whatever it is. They're cheap, right? And with Bryce Young being benched in Carolina, the argument isn't, let's give a big draft. pick for Bryce Young and see if we can be the one that, you know, turns him into our savior.

It's you can get him for a sixth round pick. And you do that. And you bring in Bryce Young. And you know what else you do? This will make tinfoil Pat happy. You bring in James Winston. You bring in Mac Young. Mac Jones.

Mac Jones, former, what, top, was he a top 10? 15th overall. Top 12 pick? 15th overall. Discarded by New England. situation in new england bad coaching bad development and now a backup in jacksonville hell you may soon be able to do it with trevor lawrence he seems to be headed in a bad spot with jacksonville but my point is you can't do more than three really but you buy three lotto tickets and you see

and i know there's only so much development that is done in the NFL and only so many snaps and training camp and practice but you play the odds and you buy low multiple times and if you question that's been done, I give you the best example possible. Before Brock Purdy won the job in San Francisco, they had on their roster. Trey Lawrence, I mean, Trey Lance drafted in the top five, Sam Darnold, drafted in the top five, and Brock Purdy. All of them, lotto tickets, Lance, the only expensive lotto ticket. They got Darnold off the trash heap from the Jets.

They took Purdy in the seventh round. You keep stacking up on low cost, maybe low probability, but low cost lotto tickets, quarterbacks, with high pedigree, I would argue, too. And I'm not here to tell you, you get Mack Jones and you're for sure going to be able to reclaim him. No, you get Jones, you go get, I don't happen to believe that James is one of the guys you get.

You'll get Jones. You get Bryce Young. You know, you get two or three of these guys. And you bank on a coaching staff finding among them your Brock Purdy. That's my model that I would go for. If the Dallas Cowboys had decided to move on from Dak Prescott and not pay him $60 million a year, and now you're in the wilderness,

this would be my map in the wilderness. Go hoard lotto picks. What do you think? Now, I'm with you. I completely agree. And this is something that I never understood, but people will claim that you can't have too many alpha quarterbacks because, like, one will feel threatened by the other.

I don't think that's true, but what do you think? Then he's not alpha. He's not. Then he's not. But like Aaron Rogers was threatened by love and Farr was threatened by Rogers. But we're not in a situation where we already have Aaron Rogers. All of these guys have to know they're not the guy. You're competing to be the guy.

And if you're afraid of that competition, then you're not the guy. That's what's clear. It's fine that Brett Fav didn't want Aaron Rogers there. It's fine that Aaron Rogers didn't want Jordan Love there. I get that. That's rational. I'm not going to develop the guy you brought in to replace me. But we're talking about guys who have nothing, guys who've already been, you know, told you're not the guy.

And now I'm giving you a chance to beat out these guys and show that in this system, you're our future what's up James is that your hand yeah the Cowboys have kind of done that before they took Drew Bloodsoe after he had been discarded from the bills

and they had him in the locker room and they had Tony Romo and I guess Tony Romo correct me on this but I think did he take over for Bloodso in kind of a similar manner to Brady yeah I mean Romo was a total lotto ticket he was undrafted And when he got into the building, they immediately were like, oh, there might be something to this guy.

I remember when Tony Romo came about, even his name, I was like, Tony Romo from some small school and, what was it? Was it in Illinois? And I'm like, that's not going to be the quarterback of the future. But the dude just came in and took it, took it away from Bledsoe. Yeah. I just think quit trying to be a genius and start trying to, genius is defining the NFL. fell by we scouted it we found the guy and all our chips are in on the guy start buying yourself insurance policy and optionalities and lotto tickets until you find the guy uh the other version of

this is what the cardinals did uh they drafted josh rosin i think it was 10th or 11th overall and the very next year they drafted kiler murray uh if you know a lot of teams wouldn't do that yeah we've already spent the top 10 pick we got we're all in on josh rosin no more more keep drafting and The Giants should have been doing this for years with Daniel Jones. And if Daniel Jones is better at the end of it and wins, great. Then you won. You got a self-franchised quarterback. If that position is that important, in the end, my thoughts are get as many as you can,

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