Will Cain Country - The Traitors Drama & A&M’s Yell Leaders Cult (ft. Kayce Smith)

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

In another chaotic Friday edition of ‘Will Cain Country’ Will and The Crew are joined by Barstool Sports’ Kayce Smith to discuss everything from shocking finale of 'The Traitors' and the bizarre culture surrounding Texas A&M’s Yell Leaders to the continued drama over "the joke" and the U.S. Men’s hockey team’s White House invitation from President Donald Trump as Canada continues their silver medal freakout.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I don't really know how to tell you what's in this episode except for everything. From traders to the U.S. men's Olympic hockey team to who is the Texas A&M of the state of South Carolina. All over the place with Casey Smith from Barstool. It is Will Kane Country. Normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern Time. But always available for you by following us on Spotify or on Apple. Bring out the football helmets again, huh? well you know what these are

what oh I'll let you say it final three final three the that's right Patrick how'd you know I don't remember how did we know Georgia really

it's like you know when you know when it's like a five star wide receiver from Odessa Permian's got the hats out on the table which one will he go to you know yeah Georgia Georgia's in the final three.

And I don't, I mean, if I were ranking them, it probably looks like from the bump, bump, bump, bump, like that. Texas, T.C. Do you think he's keeping Texas in there just for you? No. And we have that conversation a lot. Like, this has got to be your choice, not my influence, my brainwashing. For the audience, do you want to explain what we're talking about? Is the audience in on this conversation?

Wait, hold on. When is the decision going to be here? No, we don't have to. There's no, I mean, he could go all the way to May. But he won't. He won't. I think the current debate, and this is probably not for the show, but it could, whatever, is spent last weekend in Fort Worth had a good time.

I spent several weekends in Austin, it's number one, by his own estimation right now. Are you going to visit? Like, and when I saw, they visit, like, I'll send you there for the weekend to go hang out with some guys that we know, see if it's your scene, see if it's your vibe. And he's on the fence. Oh, it's great. Yeah.

But he's on the fence of whether or not he wants to go ahead and make that trip. And I'm like, if you don't want to make a trip to visit, you don't want to go there. So let's take it off the list. Did he talk to Ellie about TCU? She's talked to him about it. Yeah. Yeah. And he had a great time last weekend in Fort Worth.

Nice. But. Are we going to do a reveal on the show? Yeah, we should with the hats. Like a hat reveal? Well, I, I, he, he, he sent, he, he rescinded his whatever acceptance to, uh, Clemson. So that's why it's not on here.

And I took Auburn off because I just don't feel like he's taking it seriously at all. And that's a shame. Auburn's a great city. Auburn's amazing. Great. You'll, you'll be give you the sales pitch and all this. Maybe the audience can hear this. I don't care.

The, the, the, the, the best thing in my mind about Auburn is, Okay, the best thing about Auburn is the worst thing about Texas. Like, I think if you send your kid to Auburn, Alabama, in that environment, in that culture, that you can feel very good and confident. I think, I'm speaking a little bit out of hat. I don't know 100%, but that you will be raised in the right environment from age 18 to 22. You're still going to have a good time. There's still going to be dudes that party too much. You're still going to have a lot of those things.

In general, it is a god-fearing, close-knit small community that I feel like is a good place to be. That's, so that's the big, the best sale. And honestly, and my son, having lived in New York through, what was it, seventh grade, doesn't think it's that cool to go to the coffee shop and see the girl with the sleeve tattoo and the green hair. Like, that was, you know, that's Austin. And no, the point is when every other Texan has gone to Austin throughout the decades, it has been, oh, isn't this cool? It's like a hippie version of a cowboy. And now the problem with Austin is it's becoming very, there's high rises everywhere. And it's like a little bit turning into Seattle or San Francisco or New York.

They're like California Cowboys. It's got, well, it's lost the ratio, I feel like. Yeah. Like, if, if the ratio in the past was like 70% cowboy, 30% hippie, now it's like 70% hipster, 30% cowboy. You see what I'm saying? It's like hipster cowboys. It's not like. No, used to be mixed.

That's the other thing. I feel like, like in the old days, the image of Austin was Willie Nelson, which is a mix, right? That's the literal mix of the two. and now it feels like it's like honestly the the trans flag it's becoming more that the college the college picking experience

it's still fun by the way I love going to Austin I'm talking it down a little bit but you go to Austin you're going to have a great time To Cova's we love you we know you're headquartered in Austin why are you saying that are they sponsoring no I want them to no picking colleges up where I'm from

in the Northeast is seems so different than South in Texas. It just seems like you you pick for different reasons. Like it's not just the, you don't pick. What do you mean? Like you guys pick for like, like football is huge, right?

And you want an environment where it's fun to go to a football game and that, in that sports environment. We don't pick that way up in, up here where I live. They pick it, they pick in like what kind of weird clubs can they get into? Yeah, it's like, it's like, can I get it in skull and bones? Yeah, can I get into this country club

after I graduate? Can I play the cross and become a finance person after. You know, we pick... Well, there's an element of that. Yeah, there is. There's an element of that down here. Well, I don't think that's true, Dan. Because the thing

the thing that you just said, Patrick, that's pretty exclusive to the Ivy experience. The skull and bones, that's Yale. That's not like I'm going to Lehigh. That's a small percentage. Dan went to Yale? No, I grew up around Yale. He lived near Yale.

Yeah. I was about to be like, whoa, man, you went to Yale? I went to classes there when I was in my 20s, but no, I did not graduate from Yale. I feel like when I think about the Northeast, I think about schools that never even occurred to me that they existed when I was growing up in Sherman, Texas. Like, Lehigh, which is not a small school, by the way, but like, I didn't know that Lehii was really even a thing. Hobart, Holy Cross. These weren't on my radio. as options to do, you know? I mean, maybe the first time I ever heard of Holy Cross was from Bill Simmons. Really?

To Holy Cross, I think. But, you know, I was thinking you would say it's academics. And that's what I was kind of insinuating. Well, the football thing has taken over so much. It's not good. I don't think it's actually as much as I love it and it's a part. We shouldn't be picking schools on who has the best football team. I know.

Or the best tailgate. Football is, it's the biggest marketing vehicle. That's just what it is now. Yeah. And we've seen it. TCU's student body population, I think, went from 8,000 to 13,000 over the last decade. And their applications have gone up immensely. And their popularity in places like California based upon going to that national championship game,

based upon being relevant in that one period. And this is why I've said Texas Tech is about to become very popular. because they're going to be in that conversation of who's going to win the national championship for the next five to ten years. I really truly think that Texas Tech will be. And northeasterners are seeking the same experience. We see it all the time. They're going to Alabama. They're going to Clemson.

They're going to South Carolina. Now, yes. There's a joke. You can see Instagram reels about it. Like the New Jersey guy that now dresses like he's from the south. and picks his guitar on the porch. They wear cowboy boots down. You know, and there's separate fraternities at these colleges for the Northeasterners and the Southerners.

So that's how powerful it is. It is crazy. I'd be curious what's happened to the applications at places like Holy Cross. Has that demand gone down as the Southern schools have gotten more popular with Northeasterners? I mean, there's a million schools in Boston. There's B, U, B, B, C, Northwestern, like all those, I mean, Northeastern, sorry. But like my graduating class in high school in Connecticut, 50% went to Yukon because it was an easy thing and it's cheaper. You know, it's a state school.

It's a really good school. And it's a great basketball team. You know, basketball and hockey are big things. But, you know, people look on academics. And Ivy is, you know, it's very rare for someone to go to an Ivy anyways. But I didn't know one person, not one person in my older sister's generation, in my age, that went to a different school outside the Northeast. I don't think I can name one person. Now?

Now probably way different. I don't know any younger people, but... Right. My niece just chose Canada. So she's running track of Canada. Patrick. Patrick, is Florida State... I actually like these conversations. Like, what the...

You know what's really popular on the Internet is all those top five lists? You give me your top five lists. I forget the name of those... those two guys that hit everybody's algorithm. They're always doing drafts and top fives. I forget. They do have a show. I think it's on YouTube.

And I don't even know their names. I don't know the name of the show. But they're always in my algorithm, the two guys. And they're ranking stuff and drafting stuff, which is a great format. I've always been into the analogy thing, like this is to this. So maybe we should do that format. But like, I'm going to give you an example. Like, Oklahoma is to Texas what Oklahoma is.

state is to Texas A&M. Mississippi is to Texas what Mississippi State is to A&M, right? And you can keep doing this. And historically, South Carolina is to Texas what Clemson is to Texas A&M. That's changed a little bit because Clemson sounds like a private school. It's not. They got good at football. And I think it's changed a little bit of the society element going to Clemson.

I still think, when I've asked people this, if you are from Charleston, where are you going? And you're going to South Carolina. You're not going to Clemson. You know what I'm saying? If you're like maybe old money, Charleston, I think you'd more be apt to go to South Carolina than you would be to go to Clemson. But you can keep doing this. Let me do Florida real quick, Patrick. I don't think I know Florida.

But Florida, the Gators, are the University of Texas. The Ole Miss. By the way, I left Alabama out of this because I think that one's a little more difficult, and I think it's changing as well. Like I think Auburn is on the Clemson Path, not because of football, but for some reason, Auburn is more popular these days in my world, from what I hear, than choosing Alabama. Not that nobody chooses Alabama.

I'm just saying this has been my experience. But Florida's really good academically, hard to get into. I would assume it's the flagship university of the state. Is Florida State, do you think it's the A&M or is Florida State the Texas Tech, which I like? But historically, the saying has been, get your grades up or get your guns up. Guns up is Texas Tech Steel. Has Florida State been the one that you're like, that's my, that, what do they call?

That's my safety school. Like, I'm in at Florida State. Am I wrong or am I right? It's not a safety school. It's like, so Florida is obviously the flagship. It's been around longer. And Florida State was a women's school until the 40s. And then, you know, we started playing football in the 50s.

So, like, they had a head start. But like, you know, as far as academics go, it's about even. U.F. does more engineering and medical stuff. Is that true? Yeah. And Shannon Bream, who's a lawyer by trade, went to Florida State. I have a lot of friends who went to Florida State. Florida law is really big. My wife graduated from Florida State Theater. Theater department is way better in Florida State than Florida, which, you know, isn't a real big thing. But, you know, there's a lot of things. That's why, like, you know, we had Bert Reynolds, you know, and the machine, you know, we get a lot of those media figures coming out. Florida doesn't really. See, I don't really feel like you've made it a good argument. I have no idea what these, what schools are good at what academically down there.

Like, is Texas Tech a good academic school? Is Florida State? Florida State's also, Florida State's also better. I love, I love Tech. I know Connecticut stuff. I have a lot. I have a lot of personal connections to tech. Tech is not known to be a difficult school to get into.

Our next guest just said, you guys ever seen, see, I have a kid. I have a kid. Go ahead and bring in Casey Smith, the host of Barstall College Football Show, into this conversation. I want you guys to stay on it too, so I don't know if you can manage that. Texas Tech has not historically been a difficult school to get into.

Because I have a senior in high school, I get these, like, Instagram stuff a lot. And one of them is like, it shows you, like, the easiest schools to get into, like in America. Like, percentage of acceptance rate. I'm going to give you, like, I think this is not. number one. I think this is the easiest school to get into in terms of like big,

big brand names, big, um, big state schools. Ole Miss. Ole Miss is like the one. It's like got a 99% acceptance rate. Like you put your name down and that you have a diploma and you get into Ole Miss. Am I wrong, Casey? No, I feel like you're right. And like before I was brought on to the podcast, I'm like shaking my head when you're talking about

Texas tech. I love tech. I had a lot of friends that went to tech after. high school. Usually it's seen as if you don't get into A&M or Texas, you go to Texas Tech unless you have family members that also went to Texas. If you grew up a Red Raider fan, then that's fine. But normally it's like if you didn't get into whatever program you wanted to at the other two state schools, you ended up. It's not a number one. But let me say this. It's got a bigger draw in West Texas. So if you come from West Texas,

Lubbock, Odessa, Midland, Texas Tech is going to be higher on your interest list than the rest of the state. To play the Patrick game, if I'm going to rattle off notable alumni, friend of the Will King country show, Cody Campbell is a Texas Tech Red Raider, and he is basically the czar of college football. The most influential, important individual figure in college football is a Red Raider. And this is what I always say. Casey is from Texas. She's really, like, enthusiastically become a New Yorker, and it's concerning. Yeah, welcome to the dark side.

You and my parents agree, well. You guys agree on that. I say this all the time. If I am, if I'm playing baseball and I'm trying to bat Hall of Fame record numbers, if I'm trying to bat 600, 700 on cool guy, so there's 10 dudes that walk into a room. And the 10 guys that walk in are from Auburn. And then I got another 10 over here from Oklahoma. And I got another 10 over here, even from Texas.

What I would say is batting the highest average on cool guys amongst the 10, Texas Tech. Like, I think tech dudes are awesome dudes. They're usually good old boys, salt to the earth. Yes, ambitious. Party like no other. And I'm not talking about, you know, I'm not talking about, you know, I'm not talking about like there's a different kind of party than like, oh, are drugs going to break out? That's not, nobody wants that scene.

The scene of like, we're on the edge of the law, but we're just on the edge and we're having a good time. That's the tech guys. Like, and I, I don't know, they are great dudes. A hundred percent agree. That's why the historical narrative around it being much easier to get into. Like, I think the partying kind of comes with that. I'm 37 now, so the statute of limitations have totally run out here.

the first time I ever had a sip of alcohol was in Lubbock when I was in high school because one of my best friends' cousins went to Texas Tech. And when I went, I grew up in Aggie. We all know this. My dad wouldn't have paid for college if I went anywhere other than A&M. I legitimately thought about going to Texas Tech after I spent my spring break there. It's like this is the most fun I've ever had in my entire life. I mean, granted again, it's been a long time ago, but it is so much fun there. And they're all very cool. I think it's just easier to get in there than other schools. What's like the Yale of Texas? That's all facts. What's like the rice? Rice is?

Interesting. Yes. I had no idea. Rice is very difficult to get into. It's kind of case. I'm glad that we have two Texans here to kind of validate that I'm not totally full of f***. But never will. It's nerdy though.

Like that's kind of the reputation of it. It's the Yale, but it's pretty dang nerdy. I have a lot of buddies that went to Rice. They're not nerds, mostly. But, by the way, nerds has got to come back. It is coming back. But when somebody drops a nerd into a random sentence, it's great. Everybody enjoys it.

Everybody has a good time. You call somebody a nerd and now all of a sudden everybody's happy. You know, have you ever noticed that? Like, of all the insults, it's the happiest insult. You know what I mean? Oh, what a nerd. And now everybody's laughing. I feel as you get older, it's also kind of cool to be a nerd.

Yeah, when I was in my 30s, the same thing. Yeah. Like dating in my 30s, I'm like, oh, I'm kind of a nerd. You know, I like history. I wasn't worried about saying it. No, I feel like women. But I don't like it in that way. Oh, see, I like it in that way.

Don't use it as a humble brag. You do, no, I don't like it as a humble brag. I like it as get out of here, nerd. It's one of those words that could go either way. Yeah. Will doesn't like fantasy. anything. He doesn't like, you know, sci-fi. He wants to be like, shut up nerd. That's

what you want to say, right? He likes to bully people. Yes. I want, I want, like, revenge of the nerd. Like, and I wasn't even this guy. I wasn't the jock. So you're a mean, kid, huh? Everybody, you know, I wasn't that guy. I didn't even play high school football. You just turned into that guy. But I do enjoy a little bit of

get out of here nerd. It is. Maybe it's because my world is so full of those dudes. And they think they're cool. The political world is full of nerds who now think they're cool and run the world. Get out of here, nerd. Will, you also could say that in a lot of sports commentary.

We have like the ex-athletes, the former athletes that actually played, and then everybody else, myself included, is a sports nerd. I love football. It's all I care about. It's all I care about growing up. I couldn't play it. It makes me a nerd. I'm okay with that.

Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Kane Country. This is Ainslie Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series, The Life of Jesus. A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort, and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. Pacey, do you think my analogies were right? Do you think, because you cover college football and you get a lot of exposure through Barstool and falling around Big Noon kickoff now that we're related through Fox.

but you've been to a lot of campuses across the country, not just, you know, the little myopic view of Texas and maybe even the SEC. So you can kind of play this analogy game wherever you go, right? So Michigan is Texas, Michigan State is A&M. Is that fair? Is that kind of, you think that's right? I think so. I think, and then like, and you talk about Ole Miss. I think old miss is more Texas, Mississippi State is more A&M. And it's just like every state that has those two schools, I mean, And obviously, Texas has many more, but those rival schools, I feel like you can do that across any state that has the two. And some people get offended by it. I don't think there's, but Casey, they're also like, one is where the big city kids go to more, you know, and both A&M and Texas are so big

that you're going to have a total cross section of every kind of person at that school. But stereotypically, the Dallas and Houston kids, the rich kids from Highland Park, they go to Texas, they don't go to A&M. The small town kids go. to A&M. And you can do, and it's usually the land grant thing. The land grant college is the engineering and rural school, and that pulls a lot of kids from outside of the big cities. But I don't know once you get into Big Ten country.

You know what state always is confused to me is Ohio? Because what's Ohio State? Like, does it have its Michigan-Michigan-State corollary? Like, what is, I know that Michigan is Ohio State's rival. Ohio. But that's a little bit like Texas and Oklahoma. Like, yeah, what's its in-state competition for kids? applying to school in Ohio?

I don't feel like it doesn't have an equal. And I don't mean that to be insulting. Like if it doesn't have a Michigan, Michigan State, A&M, Texas, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss Mississippi State vibe. I think they just hate Michigan. Like that's their biggest rival in all these conversations is Michigan. They don't have anybody in state. I don't think that I can process.

Right. And the furthest northern school, the furthest northeastern school that maintains, this sort of thing to me is Pennsylvania. So what is Penn State? Which one are they? And who is their corollary? Is it Pitt? Like, what, what is it? Yeah. So it would be Penn State would be the Texas and Pitt would be like the A&M. And you got to remember that's true. Pit used to be good at football back in the day, better than they are now. I think A&M and Texas are also so different. It's like you said, well, it's so big. I mean, both, I know A&M's up to 70,000 undergrad. I'm sure Texas is right there, if not a little bit more, a little bit less. So when you have 70,000 undergrad,

I mean, I grew up in Dallas, Fort Worth. I went to a Catholic school. Like, I would not be the prototypical stereotypical A&M grad, like, you know, agriculture, all of that. Like, but that's the only place I wanted to go. So I do feel like A&M and Texas are so different. But my friends that went to Penn State, like grew up and it was only Penn State. That's all they cared about. They didn't have, like, the option of maybe you go to Austin, maybe you go to college station. It was like, you're going to state college. Like that, that's the only option in that state. it feels like. Cincinnati.

What about Pitt? We thought about going to Pitt. Like if you meet that guy from Pennsylvania, was he like, I'm a Pitt family, not a Penn State family, or I put applications into both, you know? That's what I don't know. And by the way, in Michigan, the truth is the kind of, did you apply to Texas, Casey?

I did just because I wanted to be able to say I could get into both. Like that was the whole thing because I grew up, you know, they still do it. I mean, you had Dave Portnoy on your show earlier this, week. Will you know how he is his whole thing with Michigan State is if you didn't get into Michigan, you go to Michigan State. So he then translates that and that's been going on my entire life. Well, you went to A&M because you didn't get into Texas. Well, that's just not true. A&M in Texas. I mean, different academic standards for different schools, A&M engineering, whatever may be. But I only applied just so I could tell people they were wrong that I got into both.

Hell would have frozen over before I ended up in Austin. I wouldn't speak to my dad after all these years, he wouldn't have allowed that to happen. There's not a lot of kids that it comes down to their applications and they're like, I'm going to either go to A&M or Texas. They kind of grow up already committed to one of those paths. Like my son did not apply to A&M. And I told him, by the way, I talked A&M up, Casey. Just for the record, I was like, if you go to A&M, it's going to be okay. I won't be upset. In fact, you know, I think there's some good things about A&M. I said these things. And you know what, Casey? I can't remember if he watched a game on TV or he went to college station. But he got around those cheerleaders and painter suits and he saw the court and he goes,

this ain't for me. He did not. He's like, I can't do this thing. First of all, Will, first of all, put some respect on our name. It's the yell leaders. They're not cheerleaders. Okay. No disrespect to the cheerleaders, but they are yell leaders. Mail. Male, male cheerleaders. I'll give you a little history lesson so we can all be on the same page. In painter suits. A&M. You know what, I'll take Painter suits over Milkman suits. That's usually what I hear is they look like milkmen. A&M was an all-male school for like 100 years, like almost 100. Like that's not even an exaggeration.

So it was the only thing available there. And so they have the five of them. And this is a fact that people never believe me, but it is 100% true that, you know, an A&M is so big. So, you know, you have your athletes. You have, you know, your academic people. The yell leaders, they have their own whole world where the five of them, quite literally have their own groupy sects.

Like it is a whole different world. Yes. They like it's voted on by the student body. They, if you're a yell leader, you get voted on. They are, I mean,

they're in the core. So usually they're in very big shape. Did you ever date a yell leader? That was not my world. Again, I, listen, I'm all for nerds now, right?

In my 30s, love a good nerd. Back then, it was too nerdy. It was not my, but I had girlfriends who, I mean, it was like you either wanted to go date a yell leader.

And if you couldn't date a yell leader, you dated a yell eater's friend. That is a real thing that goes, I swear. Really? So this is, I'm learning too, Dan. Like I'm interested in this. So, okay. So, all right.

So I'll tell you something about Texas. And you two at the bottom don't know this, right? So Texas has two things, the Cowboys and the Silver Spurs. And I always forget it mixed up, even though I'm a fan. The Cowboys do the Cannon after we score, right? They fire the Cannon. And the Silver Spurs manage Bevo. That's their thing.

And they dress, they dress fairly similarly. It's boots, jeans. It's a cowboy hat. Spurs, I think, are the silver belly cowboy hat, and the cowboys are a black cowboy hat. It's a big position of honor to get either one, to get either one of them. And it's voted on. Some come from fraternities. Some come from the student body at large.

You have to get voted on. So it's a higher, it is a desirable thing. And you have to go through your own pledgeship on that. So it kind of sucks. You have to, like, do. two pledgeships if you're in a fraternity. But I would say that is a position where girls would be like, ooh, he's a spur. Ooh, he's a cowboy.

You're telling me at A&M, girls are like, ooh, he's a yell leader? A thousand percent. And I don't know how many cowboys and spurs and all that there are, but there are only five yell leaders. So it's an elite club. I feel like I'm advocating to everybody go day to yell leader. Date whoever you want, I don't care. But what I'm saying is it is it is a real thing. and you do get voted on.

But again, you're also talking about, you know, when you go to A&M games and whether people think it's weird or not, which I can understand now living on the East Coast for 10 years, why people may think some of our stuff is weird. It's fine. We do some weird shit down there.

But they're still like, they're front and center with, you know, outside the football team. Like, they are leading 100,000 people in these yells. So it is technically a position of power. And whether they look like painter suits or milkman suits, we know women love men in uniform. Do they walk around?

Like, they're like, So there's five. There's five of them, yes. Hold on. So there's five. And the girls are all like, ooh, okay, I'm gunning for the five. Are all five interested in that opportunity that they have with the women? I can't speak and personal experience.

I feel like maybe throughout the years there have been some that wouldn't be interested in set opportunities. Because they do change quite often. I mean, listen. Because they are cheerleaders. Yeah, well, yell leaders, okay. Listen, we have, by the way, we do have a female dance team that comes out with the banners and the flags and like a cheerleading squadwood. I will say, again, no disrespect to cheerleaders. The one cool thing, and it is a weird visual, but when you go to an A&M game and Will, I know you know this, like when you see cheerleaders at any other school and they're going like defense or whatever, you might have a section of the stadium doing that.

You might have some people doing that. At A&M, every single person, 100,000 people are saying the same thing because the tradition of the year. yell leaders run so deep. So there is that element of it that it's been going on since the 1800s. And yeah, they do have groupies. It's like an entourage. If you don't get, you know, if you don't get Vincent Chase, you know, you might go to another one of the guys in the entourage.

That's kind of what happens with the yell leader. You get one of the five. You get the turtle. You get Johnny drama who made. You get turtle. It's great. Listen, Johnny, like the Johnny drama equipment would be like maybe a yell leader who has since graduated and is no longer a yell leader, but still hangs out around the

yell leader parties. These are real things. Oh, the Wuderson of yell leaders. Oh, wow. There's levels to this, okay? What about this? Wait, one more A&M cult question. Did you date or would you have been interested in dating a core guy, a member of the

core? Like, are they also? How are they viewed? Are they high on the totem pole? If yell leaders are high and then I'm sure the fraternities have their, were you in a sorority, Casey? I was not. So I was fully engulfed in like the athletic world. So I worked for the athletic department. All my friends were athletes. My sister was not. So she she kind of, she circumvented the system per se, because this is before the SEC too. Like she was in there. Like she started right when we joined the SEC. But she was a fraternity little sister. That was really big at A&M before the SEC. So instead of like rushing for a sorority, because my dad was a Sigma Chi, she went and did that. So that was still not my world. But I had a lot of friends who did the same. They didn't want to go through all of the sorority stuff, but they wanted to be in the fraternity world.

See, I see. Okay. But my point in thinking about the fraternities was like, okay, there's also sometimes, and it's gross, but it's true, a totem pole of fraternities about like who's, you know, which one's the coolest to date into and all that. Where does the core come in? Is the core a desirable dating pool for the girls like the cheerleaders? So it's like one of those weird situations where, and I think. I think all schools have it to a certain degree, but I think A&M because the core is so big, it's desirable in its own world.

Like that, like to date a core member, especially like a decorated core member, it's a big deal. That was just not my scene. Again, no disrespect. As I get older, we love nerds here. That was too nerdy for me. That was not my, my forte. But I have a friend who she quite literally would go to core parties when we were like

freshman or sophomores just to try to meet a member of the core. She's now married with three kids because she caught herself. a core member. So these things happen. You know, they have everybody has their own groupies, okay? That's just the way college works. That's just being from the Northeast, that's just fascinating to me. All this stuff. It's crazy.

It is. It's hard. It's fascinating to me. We play hockey and lacrosse. That's all I know. I will say that the world of hockey, which I know we're going to get into, I didn't experience that. A&M doesn't have hockey. You know, we had the Dallas stars. No one

really cared about it. I cared about it when they won the Stanley Cup when I was like six six or seven years old however old I was um but hockey hockey you talk about what girls want oh my god the girls go crazy after hockey players like this is this is a whole world I didn't experience growing up Connecticut they were like the elite Dan Dan the lacrosse guy I know lacrosse guys because lacrosse guys are groupies you had groupies and you are not what I think of you are not hold on I'm from the shoreline Connecticut what are talking about. We're pulling the layers back on Dan.

Just, I don't want you telling me. I'm going to tell you what you are. Did you anyone play hockey? First of all, we have, we play lacrosse in Dallas now. La Crosse is taking off in Texas. And we have good lacrosse in Dallas. And of course, you guys know, I just told you today, sort of the world that I live in Dallas and, you know, private school, all that stuff.

The, the, by the way, Casey, man, did we beat your private school in soccer? like 10 to nothing. When we were beating him, I was thinking about you. I never heard of your school until we talked that one day. And then we were smoking Nolan Catholic 10 to nothing. It was amazing. I think both my boys scored two goals. First of all, I'm offended. You didn't text me to rub it in because had I been in your situation, I probably would. But yeah, listen, is it still tap 6A? I don't even know. When I was in school, it was tap 6A. Is that still what it is? Are they still playing? I don't even know. It's not in our conference. We won, hey, we won the state championship twice. That's what I'm here to say in football, okay, and the one that matters.

So you can have your little 10 to zero soccer victory. You beat the other five schools? There were more than that. Thank you. Okay. Nice job. And you know, you speaking of Texas schools, it wasn't a big deal to me because I grew up in Aggie, but, you know, the state championships were held in Waco at Baylor's football stadium. So that was a big deal back then, okay? Oh, fancy. Yeah, fancy. The Texas High School Day Championships are. at AT&T, Cowboys Stadium. That's a real high school football. By the way, my

kids' high school is not real either. They don't play at it at Cowboys Stadium. Why was I bringing this up? What was I talking about? Me? La Crosse. It was something. Oh, La Crosse. So La Crosse is taken off, and I come from this world. So here's the thing, Dan.

La Crosse guys, they are Broey Country Club guys, right? That's what they are. They are headed to Wall Street. They are on their way to Wall Street. They're, they're just stopping to play a little lacrosse along the way. And by the way, here's you, Dan. Patrick, tell me if I got this right. Now that I know Dan's a lacrosse guy, and he's from Connecticut, he grew up with the whale shorts on. He grew up with that belt,

you know, with emblems on it. He grew up vineyard vines. And now he's doing this grunge Brooklyn thing. And he's really leaning into it. And he's doing the music, grunge, Brooklyn thing. But it's just a matter of time before he returns to lobster rolls. I mean, he's on his way. The real wildcard is his wife. I don't know if she's going to allow that and what world she can't. I married into a country club family. But you're cosplaying.

Oh, so he's going to be wearing the sweaters on the shoulder. You should see me on the weekends in the summer, man. I wear a sweater around my shoulders, you know, shave the beard. No, I'm kidding. He looks like one of the dads. Yeah, both shoes, everything. I play tennis, like, for

five hours a day. It's a different Dan when it's warm out. But the second, I will say the second I picked up a guitar, everything changed for me. So that's when the pink went out the window and lobsters were gone. You know, that was it. I'm sure your wife would say this. Get you a man who can do both, Dan. You know, listen, there's nothing wrong with layers here.

You know, I grew up playing tennis. I grew up part of a country club. And then sometimes I like to cosplay, you know, just like an absolute, just like person that loves to be on the streets all the time. Listen, it is what it is. You're on some vans. There's a converse. Who cares?

Yeah. You guys know what my new obsession is, speaking of tennis? Have I told you my new obsession? I'm the worst. Don't say paddle. Paddle. Also known as Padel. Dude.

Yeah. Why Padel? Will, why? Why is it known as Pidel? Why? I think that's the way they say in France or Brazil or something like that. No. Say paddle?

I should say paddle. Well, I don't know. Will you be outcasted if you don't say Padel? Like, I don't want you to get like, ostracized in the Padel community. It's kicked out of the Padel country club. No, I actually think it's a debate. I think it's an ongoing debate because everybody says, do we say Padel or do we sound like duches? So we have to say paddle. I promise you. You sound like a massive duce. Yes. I promise. Thank you. My entire Instagram feed is

full of Padel clips. It's so fun, guys. It's so fun. I just smile the whole time. It's so much fun. is racquetball and tennis. Pickle ball, that's for old people. This is what you should do. It actually sounds very fun. That sounds, I took a, I took a, well, the classes in the record, I guess it, I mean, I took tennis growing up, but just like any, any of the sports that are trying to collectively put all, like handball, all of those things, anything, they're usually very

fun. They just don't need to be so elitist. Like my dad, he's in his 70s, he's a pickleball guy. He is such an elitist with it. I'm like, Dad. Like, why? It's just pickleball. It's like, no, you don't get it.

It's so much better. It's like, it can't be that much better than racquetball. Rocketball rocks. Also, just play tennis. Rock ball, rocks. That was my class at A&M. Actually, it was racquetball, and it was underneath Kyle Field before Kyle Field got redone. So there was like bats and stuff everywhere.

It was really disgusting. Loved racquetball. It's a great time. What happened to racquetball? That was such a thing in the 80s. It was such a thing. I was too little. I was too little, but I remember seeing the older guys when I would be on my way to swim team.

And they'd have their glasses on and their short shorts. And then when I was living in New York, I had a couple buddies and we'd go play racquetball. And it is so much fun. And it is, man, you're, you will get into Zone 4. It'll get your heart up there. You're going to get to Zone 4. It's great. But, Hidel, I can't, I can't hear you.

I can't ever hear you say that again. But maybe I'm not, maybe I'm not your people. You don't knock it until you try. Katie. You can't, I mean, this is like anything else. I'm sure it's a blast. I'm not calling it Padel. I just, I can't. It's like, it's like pecan. Like, I love pecan. So the second I hear somebody say Pekan, I don't ever want to taste a pecan again. That's what you're doing. You're turning me off to your sport. It makes my screen call. It does make my screen call. You know what else bothers me is I live in Montana for a while? And these are great people. These are not fancy people. So they're not doing it to be fancy. But when they call a creek, a crick, it just, I can't. That's not a real thing. It's like Pee. It's like Pee. That's not a real thing. Don't, it is. It is a real thing, Dan. They call it a crick.

Yes, they do. Dan, I've been there. I lived there. And it's not, it's bothersome. It's incredibly bothersome. It's just wherever you're from, you get a, like when I lived in Boston, and I, I mean, I love the Boston accent.

I know that's kind of like a hot take. Like, I know, I know. But I just, I was very, I loved it. Me too. When I would start drinking, the Texas Boston accents would kind of merge, which is really ugly together. But I had friends who, instead of Marriott, like the hotel chain, it was Marriott. I don't know why.

I don't know why. I've only ever heard that in Boston, and it would make my skin crawl off. Like, what do you mean Marriott? It's just Marriott. Do you do the Packet store thing? You know, a Packy? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Do you know a packet store as well? The Southie Packies, I listen. I've got a lot of my hard-earned cash there. Liquor store. We call it a packet store up where I'm from. Big deal. I do remember that. You know what used to bother me?

We've got to... No, we don't. I'm enjoying all of this. We don't have to do anything. We don't have to do anything. And I've forgotten this. Connecticut, there's something that people from Connecticut do that bothers me when they speak. I can't remember what it.

They skip... Just speak. They skip... No, they skip a vowel in words. I can't remember how it is, but they... They skip a vow in the middle of a word. I think it's like, I can't recall it specifically, but it's kind of subtle, but once you hear it, can't stop hearing it. They, they're like rushed through a vow in, in every word that has these

vowels. Draw. Like when a word ends an end, maybe? I don't know. It's what's kind of like with, if you say Martha's Vineyard in Boston, you like forget the R where it's supposed to be, and then you add it at the end. It's like Martha's Vineyard, like Parkikai and the Yad. There's no R's that exists until they randomly want to throw one in. That's just how it works. I forget what I'm Dan, do you think Dan, do you think Mara on traitors and the way she pronounces T.H.

words is cute or does it bother you? It bothers me? Because I freaking love it. By the way, did you finish it? Oh, I love it. You guys are traitors people? I finished. I finished last night.

Listen, so where do we land on Rob? Now, I'm going to say this, I'm going to get this out of the way. He might be one of the most attractive people I've ever seen in my life. I'm just going to, I'm going to say that out loud. I agree. The pretty privilege, the whole. whole thing. Listen, he's mesmering. They let him win because he's handsome. But he played such a good game, Dan. Like he really, really did. Like he was gaslighting and manipulating and the way that

Mora responded was obviously very genuine. But outside of how gorgeous he is, he played the best game. He should have won the money by himself. Yeah. So when Morris says, I tink, I fall a little bit in love every time. But I can't stand it, dude. She, I hate it. She's Scottish, right? She's Scottish. Is that what she is? Something like that. I think that's what she's got to be. Yeah, more Higgins. I think, yeah, she's. But Will, here's the thing.

That's a pretty privilege, too. That's a little bit of pretty privilege, too, because you fall in love because she's also very beautiful. So. No doubt. If an ugly person speaks that way, it compounds their ugliness. If a pretty person speaks that way, it's exotic. You're 100% right. Yes, right. Like I would be saying how, and again, I know we're going to get to this topic. Like, I'd be like, men are all trash if Rob wasn't so hot.

Like, we know this. Like, we know. I would be, I'd be furious, but he's so hot, it doesn't matter. I'm watching with my wife. I'm like, you need to calm down over there. She's like, it's just so attractive. I just don't understand. I'm just like, you need to relax, calm down.

It's really interesting how girls are so into Rob. I can acknowledge his attractiveness, but I think there is an accessibility to his attractiveness that is really. what's doing it. Like he is not otherworldly attractive. Like he's not Brad Pitt. He's not the unattainable attractive. Do you know what I'm saying? Like he's not perfect. There's there's a certain kind of attractiveness that seems unreachable that seems too perfect. And he, you know, his smiles a little gummy. He's just, he's not perfect. He's like you, you know, you feel like he was the best looking dude among the yell leaders. That's what you feel like. I. See, I

Like you knew that guy. I agree with the accessibility because and also like the reality TV aspect of it like makes it more accessible because you're not talking about like an A plus plus list celebrity. I don't know if you guys have seen it, Dana. I don't know if you need to show your wife because she'll never shut up. Have you guys seen the GQ spread he did that came out today? Yeah, unfortunately. Oh my. You talk like Will, that's where I have to disagree with you.

Like this is not accessibility hot. Like this is like top level attractive hot. He seems like a guy who got attractive later in life. though because he's still down to earth. I don't think he was always attractive growing up and then became... I don't know. Look at the way he dresses. Yeah.

Yeah, like he... He's down to earth with his overalls with one thing hanging off. Come on. Man, we're talking about hot guys. I mean, that's the one thing I didn't... I liked everything about Rob, except that he dressed like a D-bag. What is he doing with how he dresses? That

really bothered me. Who cares? It gets away with it. Who cares? It doesn't matter. The way, I don't know if you guys watch the reunion. He shows up with the white. feet her underneath. I just everything this guy does is mesmerizing and I I truly do believe like he does have a little bit you know the gummy smile he's not 100% perfect but I would make the argument that he might have the most perfect nose on the planet I'm just saying he is no one every listen listen you you when he said he had a girlfriend last night watching like the collective

traders meltdown via social media was so funny like the headlines were like Mar is in love with him. Mora is in love with him. He didn't care about her at all. She's in love with him. He played her like a fiddle in that whole game. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Welcome back to Will Cain Country.

Okay, let me talk about that. Let's do this. None of this was on our agenda. We haven't gotten to one thing on our agenda. And I'm perfectly fine with that. I hope you are too. I'm very, very confused. I spend hours planning.

And then it's just like... You're right. We haven't done one thing that you cut a sot for, that you made a full screen for, all the ask will anything questions. We haven't touched one of them. And we're going to run out of time, too, Patrick. I hope you can see the clock ticking away. The gameplay of Rob, now I'm going to throw all the flowers in the world. It was awesome.

He was... I've told you this. And Casey, I don't know if you've ever done this or played this game. but I have a big family on one of four, and then my best friend my entire life growing up, he's one of five, and we do Thanksgiving together every other year. And so there's like 35 people in the room, and we play a game called Mafia. It's traitors, but you play it, and it's so fun, and it's like, who can manipulate, who can lie. It's the same format as traitors. It's just done in about an hour.

It takes about an hour if you have that many people to play the game. Rob was three, and I'm really good at it, for the record, really good at it. And Rob is really, he was three steps ahead at all times thinking about things. His gameplay was incredible. And like with every reality show, and I've never been on a reality show. So I don't know. It happens so much that I begin to wonder if the experience is something we all can't understand. They don't, I just get surprised how many people get mad.

Mad at the gameplay. Mad at lying. Mad at the deception. Indite Rob's character. Eric and they did to the reunion show. mostly. But like, this isn't about his character. He's playing a game and he played it better than you. And I always wonder about that like in Survivor or any of these. Like, why do you get so mad at somebody doing something better than you? This isn't a proxy for real life. This is who can do

these things better than you. And Rob did them at an incredible, incredible level. Well, he, I do, and that's kind of where the attractiveness now post the game, the show does kind of play against him because it's like, oh, well, he was playing the game, but he was gaslighting women. He was manipulating, you know, Mora and like, look, he was using his looks. But, like, so Barstall has Barstall surviving, or surviving Barstall, I guess, is it's, and it is the version of Survivor. I have said, don't ever ask me to do it. I'm never going to do it. Because the difference with this, the reality TV shows we've done at Barstool is they're all our co-workers. So you have to manipulate, backstab, lie, do all those things. With people, you have to continue to work with.

One of the things that Rob said after he won, he said it to Alan Cumming, he was like, why would I give $100,000 to somebody I met three weeks ago. And then, yeah, they're going to go on this little press run, but then you don't have to be with them ever again unless you continue to do reality TV. That's where I don't understand where people get mad. Doing surviving bar soul, which Dave played and Dave was like, as you can imagine, a master manipulator. And people were actually pissed at each other for a very long time personally afterwards. Miss me with that. That's where I can't get on board with it. Reality TV, that's what you signed up for. Why are you mad that he played the game in one when you signed up for him to play the game and win.

Yeah. I think you can separate. I think, I'm not sure. I think I could separate. Even if, I don't know, because I'm not there, if I were playing surviving bars tool, I think I could separate my relationships in the real world from the relationships in the game. I think I could and not get mad. How dare you lie to me like that?

It's the game, man. I talked to my boy Coletti about it, and he was saying that, like, you do have friendships, but then it doesn't really matter once the cameras are off and you're gone. Like he's like you're, it's people, some people do take it seriously, but they play it up. Like you're talking about Rappaport. He's like, do not get between Rappaport and a camera. Like, it won't go well. Right.

Casey, Dan is friends with Stephen. Dan's friends with Stephen when he said Coletti. He's talking about Stephen from Traders. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, and you talk about like the millennial version, like the so many, especially girls a little bit older than me that like remember Stephen in his prime. they were all furious that people thought Rob was so attractive. They were like, you don't even know who's in the castle with this guy.

Laguna Beach Reunions coming back. I have never watched Laguna Beach. I was very much, I was an OC girl. Like, I liked the scripted version. I never did watch any of those shows. But I have been told that it was very offensive. People didn't recognize that Stephen Coletti was in the castle. He was quiet, though, the whole time.

He, like, played the game weird. I was kind of, like, ticked at how he played it. He was. He played smart, Dan. No, I think Stephen played it smart. Yeah, the wrong way to play it, and I respect that he tried, was the way that Colton played it. Yeah. Super aggressive.

That's just going to get you targeted, 100%. And I think he was okay with that because he was like, I'm going to try some things. In the reunion show, he said he just tried some weird things. Like, he tried to get recruited as a traitor. Okay, that's kind of interesting, but you're playing a one in 100 probability thing here. Stephen, I think played it right. Lay low, lay low, be good in the challenges. And then later in the stages, then start to exert your influence.

But he didn't make it to that stage. He just never made it far enough for them to go for him to begin to impress his will upon the game. That's my thought. They also have so much footage. Go ahead real quick. Yeah. No, I was going to say they should have so much footage. Like, you know, it was over three weeks.

Like I did a very small thing at Barstle called Barstle versus America. We were on the road for two weeks. And it's like then there's like five total episodes that come out. And that's a much smaller production. So we don't even know what Stephen was doing in the castle. exactly how he was trying to play. But like at the end of the day, Rob played it so well that that's all that mattered. If he didn't win, it would have been a travesty. That's all I'm saying. Hey, one more thing on this. I liked it. I don't know. I said to my wife last night,

I don't know if I'm in to do this every season. Like, it was really good, but it wasn't, there's something missing from it that grabbed me like, I can't wait for the next season of traders. And the reunion show was a subpar reunion show compared to, Love is Blind or some of these other reunion shows. And I came away from that reunion show. Here's who I think had the worst showing. It actually, Rapipore is Rapipore. So he was going to be who he was going to be.

They edited him. They shut him down. They wouldn't let him do his thing. The Housewives, I thought they came off real bad. Like they are so camera hounds. They demand to be the center of attention. They have to be like just jabbering on and on. Even Lisa Rina.

It's like it doesn't always have to be about you. you Candice, you Lisa, you Porsche, like you're so... But it does will. Hungry. You said that about Rappaport. You said that about Rappapur, Dan, but I think the housewives come off as like, where's the camera? Where's my time?

Candace, even in her initial, like, face to face with Rob on there, I thought she came off horribly because she was like so offended by his gameplay. And that's where I completely agree with you, Will. Like, you have to separate the game from it. And you might take something personally in the moment. but like she she kept trying to argue with him and making his point at the same time like she was like you were so manipulative you were going after me and he's like well yeah that that was the point of the game so i thought i thought that whole i completely agree but if we're we can't expect the housewives to not be housewives like that's why they're housewives like is it a chicken or egg thing are they like that before housewives or do they become that by being on housewives it's probably there and then the cameras just amplify it right we're all in entertainment. We understand how that goes. Like, you've got a certain personality that lives inside of you. And if someone says, hey, here's a camera. Let's broadcast it to, in their case, millions of

reality TV show fans, they're going to ham it up. And then they become that. They create their own monster. Right, right. All right. I'm ready to make a deal with you, Casey. Are you going to take us up on this deal? It's presented by, ready, Patrick? I'm getting to your stuff. By this lady on Instagram. Here's the offer. Go ahead and roll it, Dan. really only one way to solve this and we're all thinking it U.S. men's hockey team, if the women's hockey team is such a ha ha ha he joke, men versus women. I want to see the Olympic gold medal winning teams play each other, okay? Men versus women head to head two best teams in the world, winner gets voting rights in the next election.

Deal, deal, deal. I, as a woman, I'm out, I'm out, 100% out. And you know, we can get into that's all the nuances of this. But I think you talked about it this week, Will. I think I saw a clip that, you know, it's okay to just admit that men are better than women at a lot of sports. Women are better at certain things. There's no doubt about that. But I, as a woman and as an athletic woman who works in sports, I would prefer us not put our voting rights on the line playing hockey.

That's not something I would like to do. No, I'm out on that. You think the lady is serious? Is she serious? Yes. Yes. You think she really believes that? That's the bigger crux of this.

She deleted it, yeah. Yes. But like to be that delusional to think that you just don't know the sport really is what, you know, comes down to. You don't know life. Wow. Or like biology. Like that's, it's okay to admit that. You don't, like a man playing hockey is always going to be better than a woman playing hockey just simply from biology and the way that God made us.

That's just a fact. Do you think five on two, five on three would work? It's the same argument that you have with like WMBA. teams like you know i think the dudes would win five on three i think three dudes on the ice five women the dudes win yeah maybe and again i i'm not a i'm not a i'm not a women's hockey player they are obviously incredibly tough strong women incredibly good at what they do they're badass women we don't have to caveat it no the fact that these men just get like we're we're looking at jack hughes walking around with half a tooth right now and he didn't give a shit that he got his

tooth knocked out. No, thank you. Like, that's just not something like that I want to do. I don't want to put my hand in the dirt playing football. Could Jack beat them by himself? No, probably not. Jack and Connor. Jack's not big. Jack and Connor. Jack's very small. Jack and by themselves. I get a goalie. I get a goalie. I get Connor and I get Jack in the field. Do the guys win? See, this is also like, you know, we talk about Caitlin Clark and I'm a huge Caitlin is it offensive yet because I'm trying to reach the offensive level. This is like the President Trump thing. Is it offensive yet? Because it's just. It's just. It's just. It's just. It's Just a joke, ladies.

No, I know. And I do want to get to that point because I have a perspective that I was sharing with some of my girlfriends. They were like that I hadn't thought about that way. But I will say, like, it's like Caitlin Clark's obviously one of the best shooters we've ever seen men or women. She is an unbelievable shooter. So if you put her up against the best shooters in the world, that's one thing. If you have them actually playing the sport of basketball and having the physicality that comes along with basketball, hockey, any of these things, that's where biology is going to take over. And I don't think that that's a bad thing as a woman to say.

It's just obvious. And then there are sports that I would put women over it. Like I just, I don't think it's, you know, it's, we're talking about strength. Which ones? Um, I think volleyball. I would probably say women. Well, hold on real quick. Hold on.

You texted me this week, Casey. And then I didn't, I didn't know that you'd seen that clip where I was talking about, um, men's versus women's sports. I was analyzing it through the lens of entertainment and ratings and what audiences gravitate toward. And you heard what I said probably. Like ice skating gymnastics and I said volleyball are sports where you can appreciate what women offer uniquely from men.

They bring something to those games that men don't offer. That doesn't mean they're going to beat them in it. Like women's volleyball is not going to beat men's volleyball. Like in no world are they going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And by the ice skating too. Ice skating, even ice skating, technically the women can't do the things.

things that men can, yeah, figure skating, I'm talking about, not speed skating. They can't, but even in figure skating, Alyssa Lou can't do what the quad god can do. But because it's a subjective sport based upon beauty and grace, now you have a different element in there and she can offer things that the quad god can't offer. But as far as pure athleticism, any sport that doesn't have the subjective element, essentially, in it, men are going to win. I don't think there's a sport that is completely objective, no subjective element involved in the sport that women would win.

I'm thinking, I'm trying. No, I think maybe the diving, gymnastics, that's got subjective elements. Curling does. I think maybe, I mean, it also depends. Like, if you take, like, Tiger Woods versus the best women's golfer, like Tiger Woods is going to win. But I do, like, golf maybe because there's, like, you still have the physicality of being able to drive the ball as far.

I don't, I think that when you talk about if women can be better at it, than men, it does have to be subjective. Because, and again, this is, as a woman in football, we'll get to this. Like, I can understand where women being offended came into this to a certain degree, not with the hockey team, where I get in all that. But, like, we're talking about athleticism. We're talking about biology.

And, like, that, to me, has gotten lost in a lot of this. It's like the Instagram thing that you just played, that I truly do believe that she believes. She's not understanding that men are just stronger physically. We're not talking about mentally. We're not talking about emotionally. Like, we're talking about just a physical build. And if you are an athlete at that,

level, you are going to be able to beat a woman who is at the same level with your strength. That's just a fact. Wait, okay, so you've said a couple times we're going to get into this. I don't know what you're talking about. What do you want to say? Like you said football? What is the take you want to say? Well, I have a question for you because this is where, and you work in politics and like,

God bless you and everybody who does this. And I know you, not just you specifically, but everybody has to come right out and take a side, right? So Monday morning, everybody wakes up and sees the phone call. And I mean, obviously it happens Sunday. Just every, and you immediately had to pick one of the two sides. Either you thought it was a joke and you didn't see the big deal and everybody's villainizing the men for no reason. Or you're on the complete opposite side of this and you're saying like as a woman, I'm super offended.

They need to come out and apologize. This is a travesty. And what I don't understand all week I've tried to like really like mentally get into it for me. It's like there is something so in the middle about this to me as a woman in sports. As a woman who sits at a table every single weekend on the road with like 14 dudes and. me, it's like I can see both sides of this, right? And I don't understand why in this day and age, one, everything has to immediately be political because it was still the United States of America that won the medal. And then two, why we can't step back and say, hey, like, as a woman in football,

like I would hope that if I leave the room, that my male counterparts would have my back. And also, that's just not what happened with the United States hockey team. Trump aside, like, I don't think he should have made the joke. I can understand why women don't want to be made fun of, all of that. Why can't we just have an opinion in the middle? And that was completely lost this weekend. And we're talking about hockey. We're talking about sports. And that has been something for me all week that I just really wrap my head around.

All right. So let's talk through this because you are in a unique position. And I have seen, by the way, Casey, I follow you. I've seen some of the crap you get online. And I'm sure it sucks, right? And you're 37. You're an adult. you signed up for this.

That doesn't mean you deserve it, but at some point, like if this is what you do, you have to develop thick skin. I'm not saying that like as a should or shouldn't. I'm talking about it as a personal survival mechanism. You're not talking about this. I'm just kind of stream of consciousness saying some things.

I thought about this this morning because earlier this week, I did a panel on my show, and I had eight people. And one of the people I had on my panel was this 19-year-old's sophomore from SMU who was a lefty, he's a Democrat. And he's pretty talking point down the middle, you know, and he gave those on my show.

And, man, I started to see some of the stuff he was getting online. And I was like, this really sucks. Like, I just felt, I mean, I have an 18-year-old, and I'm like, the bravery that this kid had to come on to national news, two and a half million people watching, most of whom disagree with him. And he did that. I just, I texted him this morning. I said, I just want you know, I respect you. I think it was incredibly brave, if you ever need anything for me.

Because I don't, I worry about a 19-year-old reading all of that and what it does to him emotionally and in his identity. And I know that you have to deal with that, Casey, as well. I did as well, by the way. I today don't give a shit. I don't care at all. But that's not because I'm like, oh, I'm tough, I'm tough. It's, I've been doing this for a while now. And honestly, I don't even read my comments very much.

I really don't. And so it doesn't impact me very. I mean, well, if I read them, Dan, I scan them. I mean, literally, I don't hover anymore. I don't hover, read, let it emotionally get in. I scan to see like an overall thing. Like, how did that go? That's what I do, honestly.

But you have to kind of get there. And I can't expect a 19-year-old to be there, so I worry about it. And I don't know if you're there, Casey, but you get a lot of it, and it would be hard to get past it. And most of it is centered around, like, what is a woman doing talking about men's sports? It's generally that. What I would say is, not only does the joke not bother me, I don't think it should bother you. And I don't think it should bother anybody because here's the deal. When I laid that out about sports, what I'm saying is sports are inherently masculine, the vast majority, and it becomes a boys club.

And we talk like boys. And Trump was doing that, okay? And what you have to understand, I think, ultimately is it isn't really a knife with a very sharp edge. Trump doesn't actually mean anything disrespectful to the women. He is instead yucking it up camaraderie-wise with the guys. And there's not a malevolence to it. There's not an ugliness to it. This is my belief.

I've been in a lot of locker rooms. I've been around a lot of guys. And the more that you can laugh it off, the duller the knife gets. That's the deal. Like the more you can get it and just like, yeah, yeah, here comes the girl talking sports here's the girl playing sports. And I just think that the way that the world reacted to that makes it more malignant than it actually is. Do you see what I'm saying?

Like I saw your colleagues at Barstool, Kelly Kiggs and so forth. I'm like, you gave it the power. If you really want to know the truth, those dudes in that locker room, they loved that women's team. They rooted on that women's team. They absolutely supported it. And you know who else did? President Trump. I don't know. I can't guarantee that he watched it because the men thing was just a lot bigger than the women's thing,

but I will guarantee you he's proud of that women's team. He is supportive and loves that women's team. It doesn't mean anything that he made that joke. And if you give it meaning, you give it malignancy, you sharpen the knife. The best way to go about this entire thing is when you enter a man's world, and in some way sports is primarily a man's world, is to just be, it's hard, but it's to be bulletproof. You have to be bulletproof. Well, and there's so many different things that you said there that I agree with. And the one thing that I will say before I get into some of this is that I completely agree that you have to separate what President Trump said versus the way that the men reacted. Because I feel like everyone wanted to attack the way that the men reacted way more.

And that was where my issue was. Like political beliefs aside, you know, Trump, regardless of if you thought the joke was funny, not funny, whatever, it was the way that everything was villainized with the men. And what I kept, and we've obviously seen the women come out. We've seen some of the guys come out and say, hey, like, you know, maybe we should have reacted differently, whatever. But it was the immediate thought that online, everybody spoke for the women's hockey team. And as a woman in sports, I hated that. I'm like, they're not saying anything about this at all.

They're not commenting on it. They're not complaining about it. They're not shoving it off. They're just existing in the happiness that they just won their gold medal. Their men's team won the gold medal. And everyone else has an opinion for them. And I don't read my comments anymore. because I simply can't.

But the one thing that always frustrates me is that anything that I say, it's exactly what you said. Well, you're a woman in football. What do you know? Your hand was never in the dirt. And I'm like, I could run circles around you,

Chad and Minnesota when we talk about sports knowledge. But because I'm a woman, you immediately assume one thing or the other. And the whole thing to me was so much bigger than a throwaway joke that I still don't think he should have made it in that spot. I wasn't offended by it, but I can see where people can see,

say, hey, you know what, like women in sports have been the butt of the joke for a long time. I mean, you take a dive in my mentions. I could say, hey, I love A&M. I went to school there, and I'm called every single name in the book. Well, what do you know, you know? And that's fine. The problem was everybody was speaking for the women. They weren't even speaking yet.

And that was my bigger issue. Like, let them actually talk about the men that they've shared this journey with without giving them a reason to have to come out and say, oh, I hated this or I didn't care about this. That was where, as a woman, I'm like, just let the women talk. Why are we giving women all, you know, all this power that aren't even in the locker room with these guys? Yeah. You know, just be, well, I'm going to say one more thing about it.

Like, and it's hard to tell somebody to do this, but be confident. The more confident you are, the less this stuff actually matters, you know. And those women are. I think, like, I've seen the comments from the, and this is, maybe this is illustrative, because I've forgotten her name. I haven't forgotten Jack Hughes name, but the girl who hit the game winning goal. Keller is her last name Keller for the women's team.

Does anybody know, by the way? Are we all the same here? It starts with an M and I think the last name is Keller. This is awful because I don't like it's right off the top of my dome right now. Megan Keller. You're right. I should have known that, but I also can sit here and admit that as a woman in sports

and I champion all, I mean, And this is not me trying to be like, here, you know, like, you know, raise the drum for women. But like the, I watched the women's game. I was very excited that they won, watching the men's game with my three-year-old son, knowing what that meant for, you know, 46 years and all that. That was more exciting to me. It's not because I'm sexist against women. Yeah.

That's just the way that the world works. Of course I am. But I think that like, I mean, I know everybody's been saying this all week. It's like we're still talking about not only just sports. Like, we're not talking about just. game. We're talking about something that really, like, when we never get to see anymore where, like, the entire country roots for

one thing, because it's so divisive all the time. I'm talking about the United States hockey team. Like, why can't we just enjoy that we just beat Canada? Like, why, we just embarrassed Canada at their own game. It's our fourth best sport at best in the United States. And instead of being

able to enjoy that, we've got, you know, people, because the one thing that I truly did hate is, you know, and watching it on Twitter, I wouldn't even get in the mix. Like, I was like, I'm not, there's nothing I could say this is a lose-lose situation, regardless of what I say. But the one, like, take all the men out of it. Because you're right, Will, it is a boys club. It's a locker room. If you've spent time in locker rooms, you know what it can be like, Barstall is its own locker room. There are a lot of people that say like, oh, you know, she's just there because she's the only token girl. No, I've been

there for over eight years and I work with all men because I can handle that. Not saying I'm better than everybody else, but there is an element where I can't handle being on the road and being in the Barstall world and being the only girl up on that stage. And we just don't have to tell people how to feel. And I know that that's so normal these days and social media. But like we just, like, if you want to be offended by the joke, I don't give a shit. If you don't want to be offended by the joke, I also don't give a shit. But like, let's not try to tell these women how to feel because I hate that.

Like, as a woman in sports, I don't want you or somebody on Twitter to be like, you shouldn't be offended because, you know, you signed up for this. And I did sign up for this. So I know that. But let me say that. So let the women's hockey team come out and say, hey, we feel this type of way, not everybody saying that. And then in a big, you know, microcosm of the women world, it was like, we're trying to champion women. But if a woman doesn't agree with you on you being offended by the joke, then you're going to talk about her.

And that's where it was just like, we've completely lost the plot here, guys. Completely. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Welcome back to Will Cain Country. You bring up that we dominated Canada. I want to do two more things here today. Let's talk more about that. You can take us through this.

Well, the dudes that are getting so like Brady Kachuk, he's an Ottawa senator, Connor Hellebuk, he's a Winnipeg Jet. And it's pretty rough for the fellas right now, returning back to their. Maple Leaf. Austin Matthews, Toronto Maple Leaf. It's pretty rough for the fellas returning back to their clubs, from what I understand. I haven't totally kept up with this, but I did hear about Brady Kachuk. Who, by the way, of all the dudes, this is probably fair.

is the most openly like, yes, I'm all America. Yes, you don't like that I'm with President Trump, middle finger. He is not soft peddling anything. But he's also like saying, I love Ottawa. I love my fans. I love the place. But what's going on with him, Patrick? Tell me the blowback they're getting in Canada.

Oh, yeah. So there are headlines. I think we have them somewhere. But so people are writing pieces about, you know, how these guys are essentially traitors for embracing or going to the state of the union and all this kind of thing. Kuchuk was cheap shot at yesterday by, I don't remember who they were playing, but he was cheap shot and then like all the fans cheered it and stuff like that. So, you know, people are. Really? His own fans? I think so.

Yeah. Yeah, he got bloody. He got hit big. That's insane. And the Ottawa fans, his own fans, cheered him getting hit. That stinks. Yeah, it seems to feel, yeah.

I mean, in America, in America, like, you know, the guys are being embraced, like Jack Hughes and Matthew Kachuk. Canada is not taking it well. They're being cheered, but, like, in Canada, it's very, there's a lot of backlash. The way, and I said this on Twitter, and again, the Canadian men, who are supposed to be the nice, the nice ones.

Very, very angry at me. The way that Canada coaked with that loss was, I mean, I live in college football Twitter. I live in SEC Twitter. I know how bad it can get. It was absurd to me. It was just like, like the, you know, I'd rather be a Canadian with a silver medal than an American with a gold medal. No, you wouldn't.

No, you wouldn't. Like, that is crazy behavior. But the fact that like, and again, you talk about social media, and I say this, I work in social media. hate it. You see the guys in America that are come back, and NHL fans still love them. They're all getting standing ovations. Jack Hughes is an American hero.

All the blowback and all the backlash of social media just doesn't exist inside those arenas. Can I give you another example? The stars are back, and they smoked the cracking in their first game back. And you know who I was excited to see, and he had two assists right off the bat? Thomas Harley, who was a defenseman for Canada. And I'm like,

okay, he's back. He's one of our guys now. He's Dallas Stars. I'm cheering on. I have no I guess that's the privilege of being a winner. You said that. We didn't lose to Canada. But like I'm welcome him back to Dallas. Let's go, Harley. I do feel like the, you know, it's the, and we got the World Cup coming up.

And by the way, and I don't believe it'll happen. But if somehow the United States men's and women's team, and I know the women's team have done it, you know, before. But the men's team, if we won the World Cup, like it just the world would explode. But it's like I always jump on the Olympic bandwagon. the World Cup bandwagon, whatever it is, if there is a United States national team, I'm an American first. So I'm always going to root for those teams. And that doesn't make, I mean, I don't care about hockey half the time. The problem with this is it's now become so political, which is annoying because it's like, can we not just play, like, can we not just all

hate Canada when we play hockey? Like, can we not just be happy that we beat Canada of their own sport? I'm not even talking about Canada, the country or the government or their politics. We just beat their ass in their own sport. That's awesome. Can we not celebrate that? I hate all Canadians. Dan, you're Mr. Canada. No, no, no, you don't, Patrick. That's wrong. That's wrong.

I'm going to correct the record for all of our Canadian fans. Dan, you're Mr. Canada. What state, excuse me, province, is Winnipeg in? It's in the Western Plains provinces, isn't it? Yeah. Where is Winnipeg? Don't look it up. Saskatchewan.

Yeah, it's Western. Look at you. Okay, well, I'm ready to take up. I'm a massive hockey fan. That's Calgary. My in-laws are Canadian. They give me pop quizzes all the time. about Canada. It's insane. Hold on. Alberta can be ours. And I think Alberta is ready to come.

They're ready to be the 51st state and I'm ready to welcome Alberta. They are country folk. They are going to vote the right way. I'll give them two senators. Rodeo. Okay. No, you keep Vancouver. We want nothing to do with Vancouver, Dan. That is, that is Seattle North. That we don't want Vancouver. Trust me. Seattle. Don't get mesmerized by the mountains and the sea. Don't get mesmerized by that. stuff. You need to pay attention to where they're likely to set up a chop zone. And they'll set up a chop zone before you know it in Vancouver. We'll take Alberta. I need to know more about Saskatchewan. But if they're booing Connor Hellebuk and Winnipeg, that's not a good sign.

So we're open to a couple areas of Canada come on over. Well, I'll ask you a question, though, because like you said, it's the privilege of being a winner, which again is the biggest part of this, like America won. Let's just say hypothetically, we don't have to live in this world, but hypothetically Canada did win last Sunday, right? And we're sad. We're not near as sad if it was, you know, football or baseball or basketball because we care about those sports more. But beside the point, I definitely wouldn't be cheering for somebody to get hurt

because I, like, I think that's awful as a human being. I would probably not be happy for a little bit that a Canadian was on my team. I think that I might be kind of pissed about that. I don't know. I wouldn't boo an injury and I wouldn't cheer an injury. But I think for a second, for a second. for a second, I'd be like, you're not really one of us. Like you are because you're paid to be one of us,

but at your heart of hearts, you're a Canadian. You're here because you got drafted or you got traded here. So what's great about this is like, is that, real quick, is that Connor McDavid, who is the captain of the Canadian team, he's also facing backlash from Canadians because he's lost two straight Stanley Cups. And now is a silver medal. Josh Allen of hockey?

He's always a bride. made. Connor McDavid is always a bride. He's the Josh Allen of hockey, I think. Just always close. Is this just a Canada thing? What about like the fins on your on your on your like the stars have a lot of fins? Am I supposed to side eye the fence?

We have tons of fins. Well, we did. I think it's I think it's a Canada thing because it's like, you know, there were neighbors and we're rivals but also like Canada thinks that they're better than us at hockey and we just beat we just beat the beat the beat them and got the gold metal. I think that's the whole thing with it. If like the fins did the same thing and it was the constant.

back and forth. But like, I remember whenever it was, like, I tweeted something about, well, Canada has no Super Bowls. No shit. Canada has no Super Bowls. That's, it's an American sport. The Canadians flood my DMs and they're like, what about a gray cup? I'm like, I don't care about that. It was just a joke, but it's like this, it's an inferiority complex. Well, you don't know about this. It's because they want to be us so bad. They all live right next to United States. Yeah. Like they live within 5% of Canada.

Is it within the United States? Is it like all of Canada, but they're not living there. But one of my really, really good buddies is Canadian. And he, I think in every way has become an American in every way. And it's a interesting insight into the Canadian psyche. And what I would say is I'm not sure they all do want to be Americans. And we need to remember that when we play these little games about making them the 51st state.

I'm not just talking about Canadian pride. They have a different outlook on, like, you've ever heard, like, there's Instagram reels about this. They're very happy with mediocrity, generally. Like, ambition is looked down upon. Like, don't kneel to the crown. Don't be the tall poppy. Tall poppies get cut.

Be a member of the community. Be content where, like, especially in Texas, it's like, no, man, grow. Culturally, it is not the same. Except for maybe a few provinces. I'm willing to consider that. And so like that lady made a bet for the next four nations or the next Olympics, I'd be willing to make this bet. We'll put Alberta and Saskatchewan on the line. If we win, we get those.

If you win, you can have like Puerto Rico and Washington or Vermont. You're in Portland and Seattle. Yeah. Let's make a deal. There's a deal to be had here. In some cases of what you just said, and I don't. know if you were just being kind. In some cases, people would be like, give them California and New York.

Like, you know, it's like one of those things where it just kind of depends on who you vibe with at the time. One of my... Yeah, one of my best friends also is Canadian. She lives in Toronto. She lived in L.A. for a long time. She has her Bachelorette party coming up because she's a little bit younger than me. And I asked her, I was like, you know, it's going to be half Canadians, half Americans.

Like, if I show up, you know, like, being American pride, is that going to be offensive? She was like, you think that we give a shit about sports? And I was like, and this is the bigger picture. because at the end of the day, it's like, I live in this microcosm of a world where it's like, yeah, we just beat your ass. I'm going to come in wearing an American flag bikini in Charleston,

and she's like, none of us care. They're just lucky they're not playing the World Baseball Classic coming up to lose again. But that's the part that makes this so much better. It's the American pride, which is why I was so, like, and I say pissed. I didn't really care that much. I went about my life completely normally this week,

but it was just like so irritating. to be on Twitter, X, whatever, and just be like, why are we making this anything more than we just want a gold medal? Let's talk to Canada. Let's not talk to each other. We do that too often. Can we please just enjoy this? No more infighting. That's a nice.

That's a nice. Can we just enjoy it? This is what I deal with Casey all the time with Will. I'm going to, hold on. Let me reintroduce the devices. I love being divided, but how can we be divided over? I say that. That was a bad quote.

Please do not clip that. I'm just like, I'm seeing this. Now, like, you know. Clipped it. No, I like, I like having opinions. I don't know how. I don't know how we're clipping anything from this hour and a half. I don't know how this is.

Like, I love. Hey, Patrick. I'm an Aggie. I hate Texas fans. Oh my God. I forgot about that conversation. Yeah. That's great.

Right. That's great. But if the state of Texas all came together, well, let's just say, the best of the Texas football team and the best of the A&M football team come together. And we are the state of Michigan and Michigan State. Guess what? I almost said the F word. I don't know if I can say it on this program. I love the state of Texas in that moment,

but then I'm still going to hate the long time. Yeah, you're going to root on Arch Manning. Yes, you are. The Archmane taking snaps from the state of Texas football team. As long as he's throwing to like Casey Concepcion or back in the day, Mike Evans, like whoever may be. But like, can we not for a second? Don't need him.

Don't need him. Got Cam Coleman. Please. I see now this is where you want to talk about divisive. This is where you and I could talk until next football season, because please don't get ahead of your I've had it. If we did a combined team, how many Aggies would make the state of Texas team? Do you think five would? Dan, I understand.

I understand your fight now. This is what I deal with all the time. This is just the elite the elitist attitude. Let's be honest, Casey. Let's be honest. It would be dominated by Red Raiders right now. It would be dominated by Red Raiders right now. Would Archie even make it?

His Cody Campbell would come in and spend a billion dollars. to have it all be Red Raiders. Like, that oil money, baby. No, I, at the end of the day, just want to be able to be like, you know what? Like, we all hate Canada right now. Can we just laugh about it? Like, everything else.

Like, just for, and I say, hate Canada, maybe some provinces we don't, whatever it is, states, cities, whatever we're supposed to call it. We hate their hockey team, okay? We hate their women's hockey team too. We're allowed to do that. All right, real quick, my divisiveness.

Because I want to, Patrick, this will be mainly for you. Dan, you could answer this case. You don't have to because this is going to be the most political thing. You know how we talk about the left is inherently anti-American? Here's an interesting way to put it to the test. If I made this bet with Canada, right? If I made this bet, and I said you get to have Portland and Seattle, here's what's interesting.

If you took a vote of Portland and Seattle right now and said you're allowed to join Canada, do you think that the, you think you get 51? I think you might get 51% that said, yeah, we're cool. I think you get 70-80. I think you're right. Yes. Maybe the whole state of Oregon, you'd get 50-60% for the state. of Oregon. Washington's gone. There's parts of, I can't remember who's lined up next to Idaho. I think

it's Washington. There are parts like the eastern part of. Washington, yeah, there's a conservative eastern side of Washington. You're right, but it's not a big voting base. Right. Exactly. And so. And by way, Oregon has some cowboy culture in the east as well. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that you'll have the eastern part of those states want to join Idaho or whomever near there. and then the rest, the rest easily wants to go to Canada. Will, I, I, let's do this. How many states, if you gave it to a popular vote, how many states would vote to join Canada? I want to know that.

I don't know that answer, but can I, can I do a little microcosm since this is the entire thing in the state of Texas? If you laid this, this out for the state of Texas, you know which city would go first would be Austin. And like that's, that's part of where you confuse me a little bit. You know, you're, like, your beliefs in the way, you, you are, you're meant to be in college station. Doesn't Texas want us to cede from the union anyways? Yes, they want to, but yes. Texas ain't going anywhere, it ain't going anywhere, but on its own. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I love Austin as a city, okay? My sister lives there, incredible. But if we're going to play this little game, if we're trying to get rid of somebody in the state of Texas, Republicans are getting rid of Austin. Like, that's just a fact. I know. I mean, my Packers are gone. Wisconsiners are going to Canada. Send Austin to Canada.

What's the Austin equivalent? We're doing a draft. We're going to do a Western Hemisphere draft for America. That's what we're going to do. Who's in, who's out? You don't want Montreal. Where would New York stand? New York would stay.

We're doing like the three countries in North America. Is that what we're doing? And they're providences? Providences, yes. Would anybody join Mexico? I don't think so. I don't think anybody would vote to go to Mexico. No.

No. Not right now. Puerto Rico? I know it's part of the U.S. I think we know the answer on which way Mexico would choose to go. Hell, they're all coming over the southern border. And it's a vote right there. We know the rest of the Western Hemisphere is joining.

It's joining America. They're voting with their feet as we speak. Hey, guys, college football. You guys want to talk some college football? We'll save you from that one. Yeah, no, I do. All right, before we go. Go ahead, Casey.

No, I was going to say, I do find it interesting that, like, I don't know enough about Canada, but I do, I wonder, like, I mean, I know, like, the main areas of Canada, but are, like, most of, like, the middle of Canada, like, are they just kind of like, I don't know, we just lost to America. Like, it'd be cool if we were American. I have no idea. I guess I'm learning new. Yeah, that's the Alberta people. I was in Toronto. That's Alberta farmland people. I was in Toronto not, kind of recently, and they do not want to be part of the United States.

It is. I think you're Toronto. Yeah, Toronto is a stark no, if I had to guess. All right, before we go, Patrick, just because you produced it, and it could be fun, and maybe it would be fun with Casey. Why don't you give us two, maybe three AMAs really quickly before we wind up this hour and a half long winding conversation? All right. I don't even know what Casey's day is like. She may have needed to go 30 minutes ago.

No, I'm good. You know how it works with three-year-olds? He'll come home with his nanny for a nap and he'll just be happy to be home for a second. We're good. All right, Will, what was your first concert and how old were you? Got it. Easy for some reason. I know it.

I don't know how old I was, though. Beach Boys at the original Texas Rangers Stadium that looked like a high school stadium. Wow. Was Casey's too young to probably even know it. I mean, it was literally bleachers that were erected, like where you could see the underside, you know, like at a high school stadium. you could stand under the bleachers. You remember those metal things? That's what the...

Absolutely. That's crazy. Yes, until they built the ballpark at Arlington in the early 90s. That's insane. And I saw the Beach Boys there after a Texas Rangers game. It's pretty good. What about you guys? Go around the horn, not just me.

Casey first. So this sounds bad. I need to call my dad. I don't remember my first concert that I attended with him, but the first concert that I always give this answer to that I remember that I went to on my own accord, was at American Airlines or whatever it was before.

It was the Backstreet Boys when I was in like sixth grade. Like that was the black and blue concert. That was the first one that I remember going to on my own. We're the same age and I did that with my sister. Unbelievable. Like and I remember like my girl, we got to dress up.

So that's how I always answered that because that was the first one of my own free will that I got to go to. Dan, your back street boys too? Is that your first? No, no, no, no. God, no.

Sorry. Insink. Insink. No, no. I was like a 12-year-old girl. It was actually 98 degrees, but, you know. No, my first concert was John Cougar Mellencamp. I was seven years old.

In Connecticut, Hartford Arena. It was fantastic. I thought he was amazing. And that's what got me into music, honestly. John Cougar Melanchett. You let me give you my best concert ever since you just said it? My best concert ever was in Hartford, Connecticut. It was Farmade.

Farmade. And it was everyone. You name it, including John Cougar Mellencamp, was there. It was Willie Nelson. It was Sturgel Simpson. It was Chris Stapleton. It was Nathaniel Raitliff in the Night Sweets. It was Casey Musgraves.

You keep going. It was everybody. It was so awesome. They all played three songs or so. That's a great concert, by the way. Everybody plays three songs. Next guy comes out. That's true.

Patrick, what was yours? Patrick? I saw Leonard Skinner at Metropolitan Park, which is near the Jaguar Stadium. And it's been destroyed since. But, yeah. What's a concert you wish you could do? What's a regret concert? Three of them, four of them.

What's a regret concert? Well, I'm going to check one box. Well, this person hasn't passed, but this spring, I'm checking a box of something that I've never done. I'm going to Clemson, South Carolina, and I'm going to go see George Strait. Never seen George Strait. Super excited to see him. my it's tom petty i wish i could have seen him before he died big regret i don't know if i have one of a super like i feel like like going to like the the real rock concerts like back in the day

before social media like even if you weren't like a massive fan of the band like that had to be awesome like we're just just you were just partying and no phones just like living in the moment like the like i guess elvis would also be up there yeah but you know like you're living like seeing Elvis live back in the day and like the just the absolute mayhem that was around him would be awesome. Will, why am I blanking? I've seen the stones. You can still see the stones.

Oh, you can't. What's the old Mavs Arena called? It's been driving me crazy since I said that. Reunion Arena. I was going to ask you, I didn't want to get too local, but I thought maybe you're too young to have actually gone to Reunion Arena. When you said American Airlines, that's the newish one. No, the 20 years old.

Reunion Arena is where the stars won the cup. Yeah, that's the same arena. So they closed, yeah. Yeah, so that was in the late 90s, early 2000s. American Airlines was probably built about that time, about 01, 02, something like that. I feel like the Backstreet Boys, it was American Airlines Center because it was like right when it was brand new. But I feel like I went to, like I said, I cared about the Dallas Stars for like a year when they won the Stanley Cup and I went to reunion arena. And it was driving me nuts that I could not remember the name.

My dad would be so ashamed. Well, Will will bring up. Mike Madonna on his TV shows, big old TV show, but not over here, where Patrick would really appreciate it. But, you know, Mike Madano, you want to talk about somebody that had a chokehold, had a chokehold on women. That sounded really bad. Yeah. I've been saying a lot of things out of context here. Do you want to reset that or?

Yeah, there's really, like, you know, bad context here. Mike Madonna in the 90s, my mom loved Mike Madonna. Like that, he was, he was the All-American Attractive athlete back then, too. thousand percent sin like i'm straight as an arrow i didn't care about hockey and i had a and i had a mike madano mike madano like sports illustrated like rip out and on my wall like i i was and i again don't care about hockey whatsoever so shout out mike madonna all right last one patrick last one what is your favorite question this is dylan riley what is your favorite question to ask someone if you're giving an interview um um i don't i don't

don't know. I almost always, what about when I asked Scott Besson. So, you're gay. Yes. What's like being gay? So something like that. That was so out of pocket. That was a really divisive question. A lot of people didn't like that. But, no, I would say, honestly, I like to ask people about failure, always, whether or not they were athletes, whether or not they're hugely successful politicians or billionaires. I just, success. is only so interesting to me. Failure is way more interesting to me, so I like to hear about their path through failure because everyone, hopefully everyone experiences it. So I always look hearing about those experiences. Agreed. Was that not the answer you're looking for? That's 100%. What about you, Casey?

And this is a complete cop-out, but I like to ask questions that nobody else is ever going to ask. So kind of like what Will just said, like I hate the locker room coach-speak stuff. So again, I can only speak with athletes because I've only ever really interviewed athletes. You remember when Richard Sherman went super viral for like yelling at Aaron Andrews or Maria Taylor went viral because Nick Saban yelled at her, you know, quit asking. Those are the questions I like to ask because those are the questions that you actually get a real human response to. So I don't, it's not like a particular question. It's just like I want real human interaction and like if you get, you know, the notoriety from it, whatever, but at least you're getting a real human answer, not just like a canned answer. I hate canned answers.

Yeah. Okay. So here's the real answer for me on that, on that. I can't answer this question because it's never a scripted question that's great. It's the follow-up. It's your second and third question if you're listening. Because that's when you get to reality and authenticity. Because anybody can pull off one answer to one question with, as Casey said, a canned answer or what they're supposed to be saying.

And a lot of people are filtering it. Like, I don't, I shouldn't say this. But if you get the opportunity to ask the second and the third follow-up, that's where you get to the good stuff. that's so it could be on any subject but that's where you get that's why tv is hard really hard like in four minutes how do you get that accomplished and to go full circle andy cohen's pretty good at that with the uh reunion stuff the Andy Cohen just straight up asking I'm not a big I was I was gonna say I don't know much about him other than like what I see but like him just straight up being like so did you guys hook up in the castle I was like these are the questions I want

this is the answer that I want you know I'm not a big Andy Cohen fan. Like, forget our political differences. Well, like the New Year's thing, I don't, I don't think he's good at the New Year's thing with Anderson Cooper and all that. He gets very sloppy. I'm about to give it the compliment that he is a good, you're both exactly right. He is a good reunion show host, really good. And the reason you know that is I've seen others. I have on this show said it and it's just true. Nick Lechay and Vanessa, what's her name, are terrible union show hosts on Love is Blind. They're terrible. It's not about you host. It's about getting stuff out of them. What's her name, Vanessa what? Leshaye, right? Vanessa Leshette.

Vanessa. Oh, what was her other name when she was famous before marrying him? I don't know. I just keep on saying Vanessa Hudgens and that's obviously not, not it. Vanessa Joy Lechet. She uses those reunion shows to, she uses them to, to, grandstand about her her own virtue. Like she made me so mad on some of those things. Like nobody cares that you think that's sexist, Vanessa. We want to hear why shake said those things and what the ladies felt about it.

And then the late, you know what, Will, to go full circle, the ladies feeling a certain type of way, and then the ladies are going to get mad if the other ladies don't feel the same way they feel. So it's just the world, you know, the world is flat. It's just going to, you know, we're just going to keep, time is just a flat circle. We're just going to keep having the same thing.

The ladies feel one way. And if you don't agree with the other ladies and all the ladies are mad at each other. The end of the day, that's what this is all about. True Detective, lingo. My 14-year-old said he needs to watch True Detective. I said, you should, yeah. Watch just the first season. Just the first one.

Don't spend time on the rest. Second season had Vince Vaughn, and Vince Vaughn carries things a long way on his own. But it really wasn't as good, obviously, that's the first season. This has been a lot of fun. Casey Smith, Barstool. We always love have you on the show, Casey. Thanks for hanging out for so long with us today. Of course, thanks for having me, guys.

I didn't expect to talk about Rob Rausch being so hot, but here we are. Me either. It's a typical Friday. Friday show. Thank you, Casey. Thanks, guys. That's it. All right.

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