Will Cain Country - The Weave: From Therapy As Religion To Are There New Connections In Missing/Dead Scientist Story? (ft. Vince August)
Episode Date: April 24, 2026As Will continues to look into the missing and dead scientist story, is he the next target? Are people starting to treat therapy a little too much like church? And are people allowing politics too clo...ud their support of America and American national teams? These are just a handful of the questions that Comedian Vince August joins Will and The Crew to answer on this freewheeling, laid-back Friday edition of 'Will Cain Country.'Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: Watch Will Cain Country! Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (@willcainshow), Instagram (@willcainshow), TikTok (@willcainshow), and Facebook (@willcainnews) Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Today on Will Kane Country.
You're going to miss me, Vince?
You're looking for these scientists.
You're the next one that would go missing.
Don't you see the writing on the wall?
Exactly.
The funny thing is, this is where I want to start the show today.
It is.
I want to talk about the scientists.
Ten-four-a-pat two-a-days Dan hanging out with us well here today on Wilcane Country.
And I come into the show a little unprepared today.
I do.
Because...
Me too.
I'm in New York.
I'm in New York.
And when I come to New York fans,
it's like, you've got to have this meeting
and that meeting.
I got to be everybody in person.
And I had no prep time.
And I start looking at my texts
that Patrick has sent me.
And there's like multiple stories
and some behind the scene stuff, right?
Patrick, you have some reporting directly
to Wilcane country about the dead or missing scientists.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, I got to dive in.
What's going on here?
But I'm unprepared.
I haven't had time because all of my meetings here at Fox.
and the first thing the Vince says to me is
I'm really going to miss you when you're gone.
You know what this is?
No, no, no, we're going to look.
We're going to look.
And then someone's just say, listen, look, but don't look.
You know, this week,
I was playing paddle, fellas.
As one does, as I do.
God, just play that.
Vince is so confused.
Vince is such a man of the people
who doesn't even know what I'm referencing.
Let me see if this helps.
I was playing Padell, Vince.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Now I feel.
feel like I'm in Texas as a New Yorker as opposed to you the opposite.
You know, it's funny, I was walking down the hall on the way here, this is the 15th floor,
and some guy was talking on the phone right over here around the corner where I couldn't see him.
And I was like, oh, maybe that's Vince.
Maybe it's already here.
I was like, I mean, these thoughts are like going through my head as I'm walking down the hallway.
I go, is that Jimmy Phelah?
I'm like, no, it's not Jimmy Phelah.
I come around the corner.
I don't know, some guy I've never seen before.
And I started thinking to myself, man, all these northeasterners sound the same.
What are you? Staten Island, New Jersey.
Let me tell you.
So quasi-Italians, traitors.
Whoever's making these scientists go missing and now going after New Yorkers,
you're really going to go missing.
I mean, do you ever think that when you hear a Texan talk and you're like, is that Will?
Oh, no, it's not.
They kind of all sound the same.
The accent blends, man.
At some point, I'm like, the accent becomes the defining feature, not even the voice tone.
Do you see what I'm saying?
So then basically, when you come to New York City, you're like the Western version.
of the movie Crocodile Dundee too.
Yes, that's not a knife.
This is a knife.
You got accent mugged yesterday, by the way.
By who?
By our Ibigan guest.
Oh, God.
You got Mogged, dude.
That's, I mean, Brian Hubbard would accent mogg.
Is there anyone that would not out accent Brian Hubbard?
I don't think so.
I mean, that was some serious.
Brian Hubbard is the CEO of Americans for Ibegast.
Okay.
I don't, you don't know what I began in?
No, I do.
You do? Okay. Yeah. No, I think that was one of the best thing Trump has done so far.
Right.
Yeah. Out of the gate.
So, 100%.
Man, that interview yesterday, so I did a long show your state events, like an hour and a half.
And Brian was the last interview.
And what did we go? We didn't go an hour, but we got close to an hour.
It was about 45.
And I felt like I left meat on the bone. Like, I still want to keep talking to Brian.
but admittedly, I could listen to Brian
read the phone book with his big
Kentucky accent, huge
Kentucky accent. Our audience loved it.
And he's got long hair.
He just is a,
he's a study in contradictions.
Republican, advocating
for psychedelics, everything about him is a study
in contradictions.
And he walked...
Say again, Pat?
I don't think that's true. I think he's a
throwback to like 70s
Southerners. Like he looks like he's
he could play piano for Leonard
Skinnerd or something. Right. No, if you know things about the South, there are definitely Brian
Hubbard's in the South. He's just not your stereotypical Southerner. How about that? Is that fair?
Yeah, currently. He looks like, yes, he could play bass for Leonard Skinnerd. That's right. And he's one of my
favorite dudes that I've ever been around. He makes the most intense eye contact when he speaks with you.
and he gave me the biggest bear hug
because he feels like I've been
some kind of simpatico warrior
in this fight for Ibegain, right?
Which I'm flattered by.
I don't accept that that's necessarily true.
To see him and Rogan and these guys get this victory
and not just those guys, Navy SEALs that I've gotten to know,
it's amazing.
It's a victory for everybody.
Yeah.
Because it'll start with the soldiers
and then hopefully permeate to everyone else that needs
this kind of helps.
So, I mean, listen, when you have an effective drug,
which in this country,
don't have many, but when you do have something that that's effective, yeah, why wait?
And this is what I love, when you say effective, like I think everybody's brain wants to leap
to, it's a cure, it's a miracle drug. No, it's, and this one, Brian, it's just better than
what we're doing now, which is nothing. Or selling you antidepressants or opioids on a daily basis.
That's where we are. Right, which all they do is numb you. Can we, can we get over that low bar,
right so and uh brian by the way hates andy bashear i learned that yesterday i've never heard someone
say something about somebody like that you know if you had like a hemingway in and he was writing and he
said somebody's eyes had lit up with fire or something like really like literary that's what
i saw in his eyes like his eyes got big and fiery and passionate he hates Andy bachir the current
governor of Kentucky, who not only shut down this, in his mind, has done a lot of damage to
Kentuckians over his basically support for Purdue Pharma and the opioid crisis in this country.
And he's super fired up about that. So anyway, you know, yeah, it was great to see, I'm all over
the place to the start of the show, which is where I like to be on Fridays. Yeah.
I had meat on the bone with Bryant. You know what I want to know to this point? Because
Brian said he did this.
Ibegain is not fun.
Not fun.
Not recreational.
This isn't your 1960s,
Jimmy Hendricks.
Let's go to a party,
sit in the corner and see what we see.
But also what it's attacking isn't fun.
Correct.
Right.
But the point is,
it isn't a recreational drug.
No.
In any...
He said,
if you want to do this on a Saturday night,
buckle up because your next 48 hours is ruined.
You know?
The puking, he was talking about.
All night long.
Everyone just throwing up.
Puking.
Yeah.
And so what I was curious about is he becomes such a powerful evangelist for it.
You start to wonder, should I do have a game?
You know, like...
I was thinking of my head, too.
But I don't have anything.
I mean, I'm being honest.
I'm not mass.
I don't have anything I'm struggling with.
I really beyond the norms of most human beings and some normal ups and downs.
You literally said that you had a long day yesterday.
You did an hour and a half show.
Trust me, you have no struggles.
For you, an hour and a half podcast was a long day.
You're fine.
I know.
I then went to my second job, Jack Hammering Concrete.
Listen, Vince, he also has the 40 minutes of television he does.
That's right, Vince.
Don't sell me short.
That's right.
Not consecutive.
And I have to deal with these boneheads for several hours a day.
Maybe 40 minutes, depending on what's happening.
So, but Brian, did he kind of allude to the fact that he doesn't even?
He's not struggling with PTSD, TBI, opioid addiction,
any of the things that I began shows real promise to help,
but he did it because he's like, I can't lead this organization
without knowing.
And so he's done it twice.
And I did wonder, that's sort of what I wanted,
that's the meat on the bone I didn't get to, Dan,
is like, what would you say to somebody
who really doesn't feel like they need to fix something,
but you talk so glowingly about this,
about what it opens up and what your perspective is, these things,
things. What would you say to that person? Is that somebody should think about Abagnan?
So part of my life you probably don't know about. So I still practice as a lawyer. And one of my
jobs is I'm the adjuster for Bergen County, New Jersey, which means every second Wednesday,
twice a month on alternating Wednesdays, I do commitment hearings for the hospitals in the state
of New Jersey. So like commitment like into a psychiatric hospitals. So these are state
facilities. We got a new segment we should do. Oh yeah. So we,
actually do the reviews to see if a person's a danger to self others or property.
Okay, time out. Yeah. Because I'm curious. Yeah.
And I have a bit of personal experience with this. Yeah.
Very, very difficult. Intense.
In most states. You cannot, the insane asylum of the past, and I know that's not the appropriate
terminology, but is gone, right? Yes. Tell me if I'm right, Vince. Died in the 1970s,
basically. In fact, some of the facilities, when you drive to them, you could see the buildings
that are closed down.
Dude, is it Roosevelt Island?
Is it Roosevelt?
Yeah.
What are the two right there in the East River?
Yeah, Roosevelt Island.
Yeah.
They're talking about the right home.
They're spooky.
Oh, yeah.
Like, they are,
what, when you came to New York,
did you look, Patrick?
No, I just read about them.
Well, because they also house typhoid Mary.
Yeah.
At various times, they weren't just mental.
I really don't know the right terminology.
It's psychiatric hospitals.
But in the day, we didn't call them that.
No, no.
I mean, it was one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Yeah. So one of the hospitals I go to when Trenton has an inclined forensic center and then there's Trenton psychiatric.
And some of the buildings are boarded up. It is spooky. Like you would want to do a haunted house tour in these things.
Oh yeah. And some of those on Roosevelt Island before being psychiatric facilities were where they housed people like typhoid Mary. Everybody know typhoid Mary back in the day.
She's kind of what they think is patient zero that brought typhoid into New York City, kill all these people.
So yeah, anyway, those things are gone and they're spooky.
The husks that remain of them is spooky.
Yeah, but when you see patients and the hardest thing for most patients in these hospitals,
and it's the key to being cured of any type of illness is, does the person have insight into their illness?
And when a person doesn't have insight into their illness, it's really hard to treat these people.
because if you don't know what's wrong and you think that is baseline normal, that's the hardest part of any type of treatment.
So even with the soldiers that come back, because of what they lived and experienced, that becomes a new normal.
And it takes time for them to realize, you know.
Does that make it harder or easier?
It makes it harder.
To get treatment committed.
Oh, the commitment process is easy.
Because what you're reviewing as a judge is you are probably reviewing people who do not want themselves committed, but somebody in their life does. Yes? Or there's been a police incident. The state or a family member. So I actually represent the state. Okay. Yeah. Because you know what my favorite thing about the Friday show is is how far we are from starting with talking about scientists. But we're going to get back because I promise you I have conversational OCD. It's the weave. It's the weave. It's the president Trump. I remember from the accents and why.
New Yorkers all sound alike to the scientist.
We will get back.
So, Vince, I find this subject fascinating.
We shut down the hospitals.
A lot of people then point to that's the rise
in the homelessness crisis, right?
Because the people that are living on the street today
are the people that yesterday were in these hospitals.
On the flip side,
one of the reasons we shut down these hospitals
is because we were committing people
that shouldn't have been committed.
And the treatment was draconian.
Draconian treatment and the stereotype,
whether or not it's true or not,
is the husband could take the wife in and say,
she's baddie, right?
I'm tired of her shit.
She's baddie.
And so we were like,
we got to make it much harder
to take away somebody's liberty,
which is a righteous instinct,
a righteous instinct.
But it also means that if you have a family member,
we'll get to the state in a minute that you remember,
you have a family member who has serious troubles
and nobody knows more than the family members.
It is really hard to get them treatment against their will.
Oh, without a doubt.
And then you have to make that.
And it's all against their will.
Right.
And then you have to make.
They don't want it because they think they're fine.
And then the patient, then you have to make applications for guardians.
And you have to have a guardian step in place.
And the guardian makes decisions.
And even still, if a patient doesn't want to take medication,
and then they go on what's called IMAR status,
you know, you still have to balance out how the medication's working.
Do you do long-lasting injectables?
Do you do short-term?
Because then you're literally strapping a patient down to a table and injecting them.
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And by the way, one more thing on this, because I have personal experience, this ties into the Ibigame thing, all these people who end up getting is everything muted.
Is that fair?
Like, I know a lot of people who have severe, not a lot, but severe bipolar, severe, and or schizophrenia.
Right.
Schizophrenia is sort of a diagnosis we used to use more in the past that they don't use as much anymore.
I feel like bipolar.
They go hand in hand.
They do go.
Yeah.
So whenever you see a commitment.
you'll see the diagnosis is usually both of those together.
So what happens is the medicines they put them on,
it just turns them down.
Like if they're a 10, it turns them to a 2.
And then they kind of just walk through the world
in a flat affect.
And then there's the side effects of the medications,
which create other issues, you know,
where all of a sudden you're dealing with weight gain
that you didn't have before.
Right.
But yeah, we see some really horrific things,
and it's really bad for the younger ones.
So a lot of times, like you said,
People see homeless, they don't understand that.
They see people in these facilities don't get.
I mean, there are people that are committed in hospitals, 15, 20 years.
Right.
And it's a chore to get them the help they need
because, again, what's baseline?
And is baseline good enough to put them out into the public?
Right, right.
And then once you put them out in the public
and they have their own agency,
I know this story, I've seen the story play out.
The minute they start feeling normal,
they're like, well, I don't need this medicine anymore.
I'm fine.
And then boom, you're off a spiral again.
And then right back.
And we see that all the time, too, where people are let go.
They're put into IOC.
And then, you know, there's a slip up.
They come back.
You know, so it's...
That's a tough job, Vince.
Oh, let me tell you.
It's really intense hearings.
It's one of the areas of life practice that I'm really proud of that have been a part of.
That's great.
Yeah.
Well, we started on this thread by talking about Abigain.
Yeah.
And so, you know, you launched into that because I was saying,
I don't think I need it, you know, so would I benefit from it?
I never got to that with Brian in that interview.
And I'm skeptical.
Could it do harm if you don't need it?
Well, that's another follow-up question because, like, he was talking about,
and I've talked to other people who've done these kind of psychedelics,
like, it changes the way you think of things and the way you see things and your place.
Neuropathways, yeah.
But my response is, but I kind of like how I see the world.
I don't feel, I do.
I mean, like, why do I want to scramble the eggs if I like the way the egg is sitting?
But I'm going to tell you one of the more important things of any medication.
I don't care what kind of medication you put any patient on.
If it doesn't come along with talk therapy and group therapy, it's useless.
So you have.
Well, I've interviewed a lot of Ibegame people, and you know what they say?
It reduces a decades worth of talk therapy into 36 hours.
Yes, but you still have to have that talk therapy.
I've seen patients with every type of illness, every type of mental illness that could be out there.
Mental, as I call it, disease, not disease.
And if you don't have talk therapy, which is to me the most effective type of medication
because it goes hand in hand with everything, you're going nowhere.
And the problem is the talk therapy you experience in a hospital, when you walk out of that hospital
and you're out in the public, it's not.
It's night and days, especially where we are now today as a society, because everything is immediate go to conflict.
Hmm.
I'm the only reason I'm just, I'm not debating you.
I think we've overtalked therapy.
It's an instinct of mine that I feel like, and you're talking about a very, yeah, you're talking about a unique case of people in society.
And I recognize, I'm expanding it into society at large as, like you're, you're so readily agree.
Dan, that I'm wondering, like, I'm a believer that we've overtalked. That's what I believe.
I think we've overtalked therapy and it has caused people to get caught in the concept of
rumination. And I think rumination itself is a cause of depression. I think you're,
you may be conflating psychiatric talk therapy with what social workers do and what's become this
thing of if you feel it and you think it, you're fine. Yes, that's your reality. Go for it.
And that's not what that is.
Right.
Yeah.
I'm not conflating because I know that I'm doing it.
I recognize that what you're saying is a different class of people than the ones that talk about.
Yeah.
You need to see a therapist.
Right.
Right.
Right.
I just think.
My therapist said.
My therapist, right.
Which is the worst thing you could ever, when someone says my therapist said, my answer to that is you have a terrible
therapist.
Yes.
Because you're not in therapy to get an answer from someone or a direction.
It's excuses.
Right.
From a therapist.
What you're trying to do is find your own answers.
And don't you think that people started treat therapy as basically a replacement for religion?
Like, I think they've started to worship the concept of this and use it in place of prayer.
It almost becomes their meditational prayer.
This idea of sitting for an hour and doing this thing, whatever this thing is and whatever their form of therapy.
But everything is a replacement for religion.
It becomes religion.
Politics has become religion.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Everything's become religious.
Look at what we saw.
Sports.
Look at what we saw last night.
We saw 300,000 plus people.
The Cowboys, the Cowboys selected a Hall of Famer.
They selected a literal Hall of Famer.
Can you believe that every other team goes,
you know what?
We don't want the guy most likely to wear a gold jacket.
I can't wait to see him in a Packer's uniform in two years when they trade them.
That's fair.
That's fair.
I don't like saying that's fair.
I like fighting, but I can't on that because it's true.
Cowboys select Caleb Downs.
But I get your point.
By the way, I saw somebody tweet this last night.
The weave is wonderful, by the,
I hope you're enjoying it.
Somebody tweeted last night,
I wonder what the collective IQ
is of the 300,000 people in Pittsburgh
that attended the NFL drafts.
And I thought, that's son of a bitch.
I've been to several NFL drafts.
And not all of them professionally.
Not all of them because I worked for ESPN.
New York ones are fun.
I went to the ones at Radio City Music Hall
in New York back in the day.
Because I am, I'm a freaking dork.
I love the draft.
I will tell you, the draft in person is a letdown.
It is a very boring.
an in-person event. So I wonder what those
300,000 people are actually doing.
Standing, by the way,
a mile from a stage on which there's nothing to see.
Just to boo Roger Goodell. There's nothing to see on that
thing. That's what they are, is
their 15-minute versions of the ball drop
on New Year's Eve. Yes. Yes. That's what they are.
By the way, they're eight minutes now. It flew.
It flew last night. But that's what it is.
It's an eight-minute version of the ball drop in New York City
that you're standing there waiting, and then it's three,
two, one.
Here we go.
We got them!
Or boo!
By the way, did you guys watch?
Did you watch?
No.
It's a job fair.
Why am I watching a job fair?
I got the updates.
You're absolutely right.
I got the updates online.
It's LinkedIn for the NFL.
I can't explain it.
Patrick, did you watch?
No.
Dude, I flew to New York last night, right?
Just for this, for the draft.
Not for the draft.
So I'm on the airplane, and I'm like, oh, this trip was booked.
I'm like, I'm going to be on the plane.
during the, not just the first round, but I'm going to be back on the plane tonight during the
second and third round. And I'm super disappointed. Look, Vince, I do this every year. I watch. And here's
my thing. I put it on the TV. I listen to local Dallas Sports Radio on the radio on my phone.
And I scroll Twitter. That's what I do. And I'm just in the information overload. I mean,
I got stuff coming in. Who's going to be available? Who's the best scheme fit? This and who's a,
I got it all coming in. I am like an AI machine. I'm just processing it all. And,
the Wi-Fi goes out on the plane.
Like forever, dude, forever.
And I feel like when I'm on the plane,
I see Bill Maher make the joke that, you know,
American Airlines, Wi-Fi doesn't work.
But I'm like, oh, it generally does for me.
Not during the draft.
I like that there's an electrical problem on a plane
and you're not seeing the draft
and nothing else possibly wrong with the plane.
That's right. I didn't even think about that until this very moment.
And so it clinked out.
I think I saw.
the Titan select Carnell Tate number four.
And then the last update I got on Twitter
was Field Yates say that the chiefs had traded up to six.
And I'm like, oh shit, it's moving, boys, it's moving.
The cowboys are moving as some things are happening.
And then I'm out.
And you should have seen how fidgety.
I went and spoke to the flight attendant.
She's like, yes, I know.
You got three zin to your mouth.
I've got so many zins in my mouth.
And I'm just watching that.
All I'm watching is that screen on your iPad
or your phone where it says Wi-Fi and waiting for it to pop up.
You have a problem.
And I hit it.
And I got there when the Giants were selecting at 10.
And I knew Caleb Downs or Ruben Bain were on the board.
And I'm like, that means, well, no, both the Cowboys picks could go.
Then the Giants selected that offensive lineman.
And I'm like, the Cowboys are going to get one of their two dudes.
And then they traded up for Caleb Downs and I damn near celebrated on the plane.
It was, and by the way, it's an eight-minute class.
clock now. Not a 10 minute clock. And that flies. Faster. You look up. They kind of do the player thing
and a little short interview and you're like, oh, next guys are on the clock. It moves pretty fast.
In about four years, it's going to be five minutes. You know that. Our attention spans can't
handle it. No, ESPN's going to have to do something about their broadcast. Oh, yeah. They're going to have to
tighten it up. Big time. Anyway, it is like a little mini ball drop and it has got these all these little
climaxes and then boom boom, boom, boom, boom, and you're watching it. It's greatness. And I'll be
watching again tonight, even when the Cowboys don't have a
pick. I got so excited.
Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. You're watching tonight,
even though the Cowboys don't have a pick?
They're 92nd, the end of the third round.
I will watch. You need Ibrahimian.
Yeah, that's what you need it for.
You know what? You need it for the draft. You just need it for these three days.
I'm going to sit down with Brian. They're like, what's your problem? Well, it's the NFL
draft. How does it make you feel, Will?
But I know where we were. We're going to, this roller coaster can go back home.
Yes.
300,000 people, religion, you think? That's what, you.
You said. You look at those 300,000 people standing there at the NFL draft and they're worshipping.
All of these, whenever I see any rally, when I see people dress up and go to a rally and do things like that, I think cult religion.
I mean, listen, look, I'm supporting my team tonight. You know, big game three. Yeah, I'll wear a t-shirt. I'll watch the game.
But, you know, there are certain things like when I see people. When I see people.
He's wearing a freaking Montreal Canadian.
Your false sense of patriotism.
Here we go.
This Italian.
But to go to a draft.
He's a New Yorker.
What do you?
Hate America?
He hates himself.
He hates himself.
That's why he roots for Italy
because he's trying to find some way
to appreciate actually
who Vince August is.
Because everything else is selling it out.
I will tell you what I appreciate.
You are a dude from...
Are you Staten Island or New Jersey?
I can tell you guys apart.
I'm Jersey.
I'm Jersey. Yes.
I'm the country.
We're in a country.
country. Staten Island is the city.
What do you have to Canada? Montreal. Why are you reading?
You should be an islanders fan. No. First
game I saw as a kid. Devils. No, there was no devils. They were to Colorado Rockies.
There was no devil. So the first game I went to
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doing it a lot better. And I had no idea that this was, you know, one of these runs that the
Canadians go on where they went four cups in a row. But I just gravitated towards that team.
And it just, it stuck with me. So I kept the loyalty throughout my entire life.
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Yeah.
I won't allow it.
It's because you're a lenient judge ready to give probation to everybody that commits murder.
You'd be horrific.
You are a George Soros judge.
I will tell you this, though.
And, you know, this came up the last time I was on the show
because someone actually sent me a message about it,
about rooting for Italy versus the United States.
I said, here's the weird thing now about rooting for an American team
and tell me if I'm wrong.
There's no commonality in America the way there is in Italy.
Italians root for their team.
There's no issues.
Here, you root for the women's national soccer team.
Who's kneeling?
Who's not?
Who's rooting against them because they're kneeling or not?
You root for the men's hockey team.
It's toxic.
Cash Patel's in the locker room.
Ah, I'm turned off by it.
Now, because politics has permeated everything, it's even permeated sports here where
rooting for the American team, there's a conflict.
There's a conflict.
There's a bullshit.
Let me tell you why.
He's 100% right.
No, he's not right.
Yes.
He's 100% right.
That's because.
I do not like the way.
I want to watch a women's soccer.
Thank you.
I can do this.
Watch this.
That's because.
politics is your religion, Patrick.
I'm not even joking.
You have put...
No, you hate it.
You love it, hate it.
It's the same thing to you.
Those two things are indistinguishable.
I tend to agree.
And here's why.
I'm not like that.
Will I criticize Megan Rapino?
Yes.
Will I be disgusted by Colin Kaepernick?
Yes.
But people message me this all the time.
Last night I tweeted about the draft and somebody's like,
how have you not stopped watching the NFL?
It's a bunch of, you know, this, lib.
Dude, you and I don't...
We're not the same.
Hold on, hold on really.
We're not the same, Vince, being that person telling me that.
Right.
Because here's what I'm about, okay?
And this is a, this is going to be a huge weave.
I just had a conversation with a friend of mine here at Fox.
We were talking about some of these commentators on the right
that seem to have adopted this idea that America is always wrong
and whatever's happening in Iran and this and that.
And they miss me with this, okay?
I am an American first.
I am an American.
that means that's my tribe
that means that's my people
that doesn't mean every one of my people
are right that doesn't mean one of my
people every one of my people I agree with
that doesn't mean but let me tell you
something it's like your brother
I will fight with my brother
but the minute you criticize my brother
you're effing toast and so
here's how this works
I will root for that women's national soccer team
over China or Italy or anybody else
no matter how much I dislike Megan Rapino
she cannot ruin the flag for me
me. She cannot ruin the national team for me. And even if Dak Prescott came out as a freaking
trans, Antifa, whatever, I'm rooting for the Cowboys. I'll criticize Dak. I may not like
Dak, but he doesn't have the power to ruin the Cowboys for me. And so you, Patrick, are giving
Megan Rapino the power to define the flag for you. It's a solid argument. And define the national
team for you. And I think that's weak. And I think you have given power to somebody that you should
not be giving power to. I'm almost done with this sermon. I'm just telling you, I am my tribe.
Even if my tribe, get that one shot off of me. You're not cutting this for social media,
whatever. Even if my tribe sucks from time to time. It's my tribe. And I'm going to tell you,
you're the outlier. America. I think you're the outlier in this, because we're even seeing it in politics,
the second that someone defects, you're not MAGA, you're not this, you're not that.
Everything in this country has become, you immediately get excluded.
And as soon as somebody on a team, like a Megan Rapino does that, I think the majority of people are turned off by the team.
The people don't look and say, listen, it's still the USA, I'm still going to root for the USA.
I think most people, and I think the numbers bear it based on ratings, people turn off to it.
Maybe. I don't know about the women's national team's rating, literal ratings.
I think that a lot of people would have a negative opinion, and they would import that opinion,
I don't know if that's the right word, on the rest of the team, which I don't think is fair,
because I don't think every girl on that team thinks like Megan Rapina.
And I agree with you.
And I think, and that's really sad for those girls that they get branded by her and they get branded by this thing.
but I actually think more people are like me.
Actually, I think you're misdiagnosed in America.
I think more people are like me.
I'm more liberal than you, considerably, and I agree with you.
Like, the brunch crew were rooting for Canada against America.
That's insanity.
And I'm like, who care?
Because of Trump, literally because they hate Trump, they're rooting for Canada to beat the USA.
And I disagree with that.
The righty that does that to the national team is a little bit like that person to me.
You have a commonality there that I don't share, right?
And do I hate that you're kneeling for the flag?
Yes, you don't get to define the national team for me.
Yeah.
I wasn't watching women's soccer anyway.
Well, that's a fair argument.
That's fair.
But look at what's happened so far with the WNBA this year.
So they get their new contract.
They're getting all kinds of money.
We've seen them talk about this equal pay issue.
And this year, from what I understand, the Indiana fever with maybe the most popular
player in the entire league
can't sell out their opening night game.
Yeah, well, but that's different.
Okay, for two reasons.
There's no greater thing here.
Like, there's no America on the WNBA.
No.
Now, if America's women's basketball team
plays Brazil, I'm rooting for America.
Even if they're all
lesbian America haters, okay?
I don't know why I had to say lesbian.
No, because there was an issue.
Female basketball players.
It's pejorative.
But there was an issue with...
What is the lesbian ratio of the WNBA?
Is it 80% do you think?
Are you looking it up?
Yeah.
What'd you say?
Easily, it's got to be 80%.
You think 80's high?
I feel like...
Hold on, don't tell me, Dan.
Let's do an over under.
All of us for me.
Just thinking about Caitlin Clark.
I'm going to go 60.
I think you guys are way too high on that.
Well, not way too high.
From 80 to 60?
I'm going, you know, a majority.
Because you got Sue Birds of the world who, you know...
Well, here you go.
I know what he's going to say.
He wants to say she's not real.
No, I'm just saying what other people are saying.
80 could be a little high, but I'm not going to adjust it much.
I'll go 70.
I'll go 60.
So estimates suggest that roughly 38% of all players in the league publicly are LGBTIP Plus.
Publicly.
That's just out.
Oh, publicly.
So there's a margin of error of about 10%.
So it's probably 48%.
So it's probably 70.
No.
But Patrick's kind of flippant comment about I didn't watch women's soccer anyway.
That's the thing about the WNBA.
They don't have a big audience anyway.
There's not a greater national thing to attach yourself to.
And then you go about establishing a brand that is a general turnoff to the wider audience.
That's a problem.
Right.
So, but again, they had those two compounding factors.
But again, getting back to my point, even with the American teams, it's all about branding as opposed to this is team USA.
because when you have LeBron James on Team USA, it's not about Team USA.
It becomes LeBron James' Olympic team.
Yeah.
It becomes about that.
The only time you had all of those megastars was literally the first time they did it,
where they called it the dream team.
And it's not about the individuals.
See, Will, you are like a, you are a throwback to the way things used to be.
You and Dan.
Like people used to.
It should be this way.
It should be, but it's not.
thank you.
Like the Bumani Jones of the world
kind of took over ESPN
It's like the one thing we should all be able to agree on.
I think.
I agree with you.
Yeah.
But why are you doing the same thing as Bommani then?
That's my thing.
You're just doing it in reverse.
Well, I don't like sports
because it's becoming more too corporate
and it's not connecting to the fan anymore.
That's my issues with sports.
I'm not, mine isn't about politics.
But does the politics?
ruin other things for you, like music, musicians, and actors?
We've talked about this, right?
There are certain things it can and certain things it can't.
It doesn't ruin movies for me.
Like, uh...
Plot lines could.
Pedro Pascal.
Uh, yeah, for sure.
But I just thought of a better one.
Lidonardo DiCaprio.
Sure.
Right?
Linar de Caprio and probably Benicio del Toro and definitely Sean Penn.
I do not like any of their politics at all.
And they don't like mine.
Phenomenal actors.
Every single one of them.
and I'm going to watch one battle after another.
And even on one battle after another,
it ideologically had a message that was opposed to me.
So I don't do it on...
But theirs was enough of a good movie
that I tolerated the message.
There are...
It was leading.
Pure message movies that won't do it for me.
But there's a metric that shows you,
most people do,
which is ticket sales.
Yeah, that's true.
And you're seeing the ticket sales
on all of these movies drop.
I don't mean drop.
I mean plum.
But do you think it's the politics?
Absolutely.
There's no doubt about it.
Disney stopped making movies for families that you could feel comfortable taking your kids to without the woke messaging.
The Snow White movie is the perfect example.
That's different.
It was a disaster.
That's the message thing.
I'm talking about, you're asking me, Dan, just the politics of the actor.
Or the musician.
Right?
Or the musician.
Independents of the art they're producing.
Musicians are a little bit different.
Because when you go see a musician, you're going for their.
music, you'll deal with them having their little speech or whatever during the course of the show
because it's like whatever. A movie is different. Depending on the movie. What I'm saying is the actor
doesn't ruin it for me. The movie could. I'm anecdotal evidence. I know a lot of people that are
conservative that will never buy a ticket with the movie with Robert De Niro in it. Yep, exactly.
That's a good example because he is awful. If Keith Alberman was in a movie, would you go see it?
No, but he's not a good actor. Or maybe he's a phenomenal.
actor. Actually, I don't know.
But De Niro's a Hollywood
staple, and I know people that
will not go see a movie. Yeah, that's fair.
And I probably would. Because people feel like...
I probably would. I would not
decline to see a De Niro movie because of how awful
he is. I probably wouldn't. And people take it personally
like Robert De Niro does not like me.
So I'm not going to go see his movie. That's the cake.
Yeah, I get that. Like, what's
the one he did with Scorsese
about... The Irishman?
About Jimmy Hoffa. Yeah, the Irishman. I for sure
watched the Irishman. For sure. But it becomes
this thing of, you know what, you don't like me, you don't want my money.
Exactly. So I'm not going to give it to you.
Yeah. Right. Well, like my favorite musician is kind of a POS. I still listen to his music,
but I don't let that affect me. I don't agree with things he was. I have a musical one. Jason
Isbel. Yeah. Like Jason Isbel has said basically the same thing. I don't like you. Yeah.
Who you are. Not me personally. People like me. Don't buy my music. They literally say it.
Yeah. Yeah. But I do like his music. Unfortunately. I do.
Okay. You all sound the same.
down, Italians,
northeasterners.
I have non-regional diction well.
Yeah, you don't sound like Vince.
So it's like
it's the Staten Island, New Jersey.
Basically, I'm doing an Italian thing again, aren't I?
But my first...
Hey, will you go out in the hallway and find the guy?
He has like a...
Find the guy?
Jesus.
He had like a little black...
He had like a little black
like beardy type thing going on, a gold chain.
No, I'm kidding, not the chain.
No, will you find out if he's Italian?
Maybe that's what I came to.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm going to go find him as soon as it shows.
You don't know what he's talking about because you're from here.
You get it.
He knows what he's talking about.
This is racist southernism.
This is the Civil War is over and he's like, yeah, for now.
I'm a real throwback.
I'm a real throwback, Patrick.
What are these odd talians doing in America?
We're two.
Two diverse areas.
What?
The deep south and Texas are two distinct areas.
Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, no, I don't go lumping us in together.
No, especially like Austin.
Oh, you're deep south?
Oh, please, Mr. Jacksonville.
Oh, my God.
Nobody thinks of you is the South.
Not once has anyone ever watched this show and said,
who's that Southern guy Will has on the show?
Jacksonville, Florida?
Yeah.
Jacksonville, Florida is the South meets Baltimore.
Huh?
Yeah, it's like, yeah.
You know what I've called Jacksonville, right?
America's pawn shop
I think it's descriptive
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You know, I came up with another one, Tate.
Do you guys think this is fair?
When James Tala Rico speaks, I feel like I'm hearing an Amber Alert.
That's so specific, but yes, you're right.
You get where I here?
Yeah.
This has gone from the weave to just the weed.
We're like this stone.
Did you take I began before that?
I don't know.
Yeah, I began.
That's where we were.
And to bring it home, the scientists.
The missing scientists.
We got there, 35 minutes in.
The missing scientist.
I, oh, wow, I'm good at this.
I'm good at this.
I know where I was.
I know what you're going to do.
Padell.
I was playing Paddle.
You are.
Do you guys remember this 45 minutes ago?
I still don't know what this is.
I was playing Paddle.
Yes.
Pidel is a new, I don't know how new the sport is, but it is taking off.
I think it's one of the fastest growing bracket sports.
in America.
It's
pickleball
meets tennis
meets racquetball.
1969.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
Super popular, I believe.
I think it came from
South America.
Mexico?
Mm-hmm.
And it's super popular
in Europe, I believe,
like Spain.
Yep.
We really,
we're having a big
falling out with the Spanish.
Have you noticed?
Yeah.
Who's we?
America.
America.
We're having a real...
Yeah, I'm fine with them.
Wait a minute.
What did I miss?
Chuck Schumer and,
Chris Murphy going over there in Barcelona and doing anti-American stuff.
It's getting bad.
And the Spanish welcoming them.
The Spanish don't help us in NETO.
Oh, you're in Europe, Spain.
You're not South America, Spain right now.
Yeah.
Not Espano.
Actual Spanish.
Oh, okay, Spain.
Yeah.
No, that's Europe.
Yeah.
See, now you're being racist.
Yeah, they're Europeans.
Now you're being racist.
Are you calling all Latino Spanish?
No, I'm saying there's European Spain.
You can't do that.
You know, you know, you can't do that, right?
Yeah.
Then there's South America.
El Salvador, you don't go?
He's Spanish.
He's not Spanish.
South America.
He's El Salvadorian.
South American.
He's Hispanic.
Yeah.
Yeah, Padell.
Stop bringing it up.
So is it a court?
Is there a wall?
It's got turf.
The ball looks like a tennis ball.
It's slightly smaller.
The racket looks like a pickleball racket, but it's thicker.
It's got holes in it so that it can fly through the air, you know, so it's more.
Okay.
And it's got walls.
Yeah, like in racquetball.
Okay.
And it's ridiculously fun.
I'm loving it.
So one of my buddies I play paddle with.
you're a douche if you say Padill
I was not going to say it but
he said to me
hey man and I've had a couple of people that said this to me recently
do you ever get nervous
like doing these stories like are you worried
like me doing the scientist story?
Yeah like and I'm like about what
and this takes us full circle to what you said
like that I'm going to get offed
for talking about these missing or dead scientists
yeah yeah I'm worried about you
the audience is worried about you
yeah people are like will
Oh, stop covering this.
You're going to get in trouble?
Yeah, yeah.
I see it every day online.
Well, the funny thing is, like, I am one of the more, I don't want to call myself skeptical.
What would you say?
I'm critical of this story, but open-minded as to what is.
I don't think all these scientists should be lumped together.
I don't think there's a tie that binds all.
What are we up to now?
14, Patrick, wasn't there just a dude that went missing?
Two.
and then was found burned alive and is Tesla?
Yes, I believe so.
That is, sorry, I had this a different one.
Dan, what did I say before the show started?
I know you said, listen, you've been all over the place.
I said, Patrick, you need to tell me the deal of the story here, Patrick.
We're doing the weed.
Yeah, this is part of the thing.
I was prepared for the other thing and then like you've been all over the place.
It's very hard to keep up.
Vince, before the show started, it was Damien Patrick.
and I said, Patrick, I don't have all the details on the latest on the scientists.
So when I toss it to you, be ready to give me the details.
And he's like, what are you talking about?
I'm like, don't do the uh-um thing.
I don't know.
Let me find it real quick.
So there is the one facility.
Actually broadcast, Patrick.
And here we are with that one hour warning and he's not ready.
But there is the one facility.
To commit him to?
That seems to be tying most of these scientists, right?
No, there's two.
Well, I know maybe Air Force's Research Laboratory.
Right.
under which they have funded projects at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratories and Los Alamos.
Right.
Not all of the, what do we have to?
14 are even tied to Los Alamos or the jet propulsion laboratory.
Well, it's really 13, and then there's like also the ancient alien guy.
And so, you know, that kind of thing.
The ancient alien guy is the UFO guy who recently committed suicide.
And there's a tweet going back like five years where he said, I am, what do you say?
I'm really happy.
I'm not suicidal.
So he kind of like did that thing.
And then he shows up five years later having committed suicide.
It's one of those.
But I think it's also one of those professions that that's what really makes it strike a court.
Like if you hear, you know what, like 14, you know, construction guys went missing in New York.
You're like, yeah, that's a mob hit.
I know what's going on here.
Like there's no science behind that.
There's not a whole lot of investigation going on.
If there's construction workers missing.
Yeah.
If there's construction order...
Listen, don't ask too many questions.
Will, you're already on thin ice with the scientist.
Trying to piss off three different groups, Will.
Vince, are you connected?
Listen, we're all connected.
Listen, but seriously, when it's...
Did we do this last time Vince was here?
He is... Let me tell you something.
Did we do the mob?
The anti-Italian thing that's coming out of the sky.
Do you know that I watched four hours of five families of New York in the past week?
I mean, you want to talk to me about the Gambinos?
No.
You want to talk to me about the Genovese?
I can actually give you the lineage.
I can tell you how it went from Vito Genovese to Vincent de Chigante.
Okay.
And then you had Fat Tony Bruno, who was a false fake head of the family for a while while Vinnie the Chin continued to run it.
I can talk you want to go back to Gambino's?
We can talk about Paul Castellano.
Okay?
We can talk about John.
Did you find a respect for the Italians in all this?
I'm just telling you I'm an informed bigot.
Those are the best kind
If you really want to watch a good show about Italian mob
I love Italians
I love it and I do love this movie stuff
We have fun
If you really want to watch a good show
About the Italian mob in Italy
There's a show I think it's on Netflix
You're gonna have to read the subtitles
Because it's actually made in Italy called Gomorra
I've seen it phenomenal
It's Naples right
Yeah
And that's legit
About the Comorra
And I always get these confused
because I do like this stuff a lot.
So all the American Italian mafia stuff is Sicilian.
Then you've got the Camorra, which is Naples.
But then there's another one that is another southern Italian.
It's all Southern Italian.
Yeah.
Which is still very prevalent.
It's not Naples.
Yeah, they're big.
Still.
What's the other one in Southern Italy?
The Camorra and...
Well, the Gomorra is the big one from Naples because now it's permeated all of Italy.
What's another big city in southern Italy besides Naples?
Well, Palermo's in Sicily.
I don't know if you're thinking about that.
Caserta.
It says Campania, Camorra, Naples, and Caserta.
Yeah.
And Salerno.
No, Salerno is like a beach community.
Oh, Indrata.
Do you know them?
Yeah.
They're Calabrian.
The Indrageta.
Yeah.
And they're all know each other will.
They're different from Comorra.
Well, they all, yeah.
They all have their own differences.
And they're international.
huge too. Yes. Still to this day, didn't it become more like online crime and stuff like that?
No. No. You guys want to know this really quick? Yeah. This AI just gave me the in, it's got like
an apostrophe. It's the first thing in the word, which is confusing for Americans. And then it's
NDRAN, which is also, learn how to spell Italians. Indrageta, Calabria, regard as the most powerful
and richest it operates globally and controls significant cocaine trafficking in Europe. It's clan-based
structures. Kosanostra, Sicily, Camora.
Campania.
Right.
So what you're...
Naples.
So what you're talking about now?
It's more decentralized.
Yeah.
A hundred independent, frequently feuding clans,
drug trafficking, waste disposal.
So there was another show that was,
I think it was called Double Zero,
which talks about the Calabrian
Mafia, which was really well done.
Double Zero?
Yeah.
And what Double Zero refers to is
the type of flour used to make bread and pizza,
the highest grain flour in Italy's
So what they did is they called it zero-zero for the purposes of the series in reference to
the cocaine trade.
Hmm.
Okay.
So a bunch of construction guys in New York go missing.
It's a mob hit.
A bunch of scientists go missing.
And what?
Man, listen, again, you're asking questions.
I would stay away from.
You should pick up on a different story.
Patrick.
Everyone wants it to be true.
Patrick.
Tell me the latest reporting we have from Lauren Conlin, who's become a correspondent for Will King
Country and Los Angeles Magazine.
She is the, hold on, we have a term for her.
She is the
Informant?
Research lady.
Research lady, that's right.
She's a research lady for Wilkesh.
She loves that.
So we want to make sure that's clear.
So she has a recent article out about the people that she believes are clear non-conspiratorial deaths versus people who likely left on their own accord versus,
people who were misrepresented, their careers were misrepresented to, in order to lump them in.
And so, you know, the people who had clear non-conspiratorial death, she includes Amy Eskridge.
Yes.
Carl Gilmar.
Okay.
Nuno.
Leraro.
I'm going to butcher this.
Lerrero.
You know, sorry, Vince.
And then Christopher Thomas.
He's not Italian.
No.
Not Italian.
I've never met an Italian until Vince, really.
He's Portuguese.
Nino-Lerrero.
Yeah, okay.
Once again, racist.
Just because there's a vow.
It doesn't mean it's Italian.
She believes that those are all non-conspiratorial.
Not connected.
Right.
Not connected.
And then, according to her, she believes that the people who likely left on their own accord
include Melissa Cassios.
What does that mean left on their own accord?
Like, they just walked away.
There's no signs of foul play.
They ran away.
They just kind of like just left their lives.
Melissa Cassius.
And Anthony Chavez.
She thinks Anthony Chavez is not connected.
Yeah, she thinks that...
Amanda didn't take his cigarettes.
That's a whole in my theory.
Yeah, that it's disappearance.
His disappearance is tragic and remains unsolved,
but investigators note that he was a retiree.
He did not have access to nuclear secrets.
Who does that leave that she thinks there's question?
Well, that's six out of 13.
I mean, two is enough.
And then the misrepresented careers
included Anthony Chavez and Matthew James Sullivan.
And so, like, the general...
Michael, she also doesn't think the other one,
the guy who was obese and had substance abuse problems,
potentially because Michael David Hicks,
she didn't think he's connected either, right?
Right, right.
So who does that leave?
Does she think McCasland?
He's the main figure.
Right.
McCasland is still on the table.
And I don't think she's hit this one,
but the guy that we were talking about in the Tesla
was Joshua LeBlanc, or LeBlanc,
Is he Italian?
I don't know.
No, that's French.
He was found dead in a burn Tesla in Alabama, and he worked on the Draco project, which is nuclear thermal rockets, which means that he was connected to JPL, I believe, which would include Michael David Hicks, Monica Reza and Frank Mywald.
All right.
It sounds like we got to keep digging.
So how much of this story do you think is catching national tension,
because of the unknown that people have with UFOs.
A lot.
Without a doubt.
A lot.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Because it's always been the paranormal thing.
But it's tied with what Congress and Birchett's been saying around, too, the alien stuff, which is separate from these.
That's why it's a little sloppy.
I just feel like the story is sloppy.
Yeah.
And it doesn't mean I dismiss whatever you got left.
Sounds like at least four or five left that are suspicious and need some questions answered.
but for example, Vince, if it is,
let's say there is a there there,
which we're not even sure there's a there there.
If it's a foreign power, it's less sexy to the public.
Still, though, it's still something,
but the main attention-seeking aspect of it is...
UFOs.
Without a doubt.
Yeah.
Because I think it's the last fear that we have left
as far as, you know, destruction and all.
all of that stuff.
It's almost like the way horror movies,
you know,
over the course of time changed.
You used to be the slasher you were afraid of.
And then it was like,
well,
that became a joke,
you know,
after like Friday of 13.6.
Right.
Then it became the jump.
Then it became the paranormal thing
with the devil
and the whole thing getting into people.
This is,
I think,
the new scare,
which,
because there are a lot of people now that,
even if,
look,
if anyone from Washington
DC comes out and says,
look, definitively, there are no aliens,
there are no UFOs.
No one's buying it.
No one.
No one's buying it.
So it's, if there is something
and the government, for whatever reason,
doesn't want to tell us,
it becomes, well, how much do you tell the people?
And the fact that these people are missing,
that's what I think is going through the public's mind,
is they knew the thing
that would be enough to tell us to scare the crap out of us.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah. The only thing I think about that is I do wonder sometimes with our modern attention span that even if it were confirmed, we might move on in six hours.
I think it depends what you're confirming. It depends what you're confirming.
We might have to figure out where Nancy Guthrie is tomorrow.
Because how far are you into the UFO alien life existence thing?
Same thing as I am on the scientist. Very open-minded on it. Very curious.
not dismissive of every piece of thing that comes out,
but don't feel like the burden of proof has been reached at all.
And when I play the game of probabilities,
I don't, like, people love to play the probability game,
meaning like, what are the odds we're alone?
What are the odds all of this,
with the expansive nature of the universe?
Forget about alone.
I'm not talking about alone.
I'm talking about literally,
whatever you want to call them,
beings, entities that can travel through space.
and got to us and got to us and can apparently come and go as need that's the key part of it well okay
i've probably said this before but not in a while the best thing i ever watched to listen to or read on
this was a podcast it's it's probably a decade old now but um and i can't really know it maybe it's called
the end of the world and it's like eight episodes and the eight episodes each explore potential
quote unquote, existential risks to humanity.
What could kill us off, right?
Like there's an episode on pandemic.
There's an episode on climate change, right?
Nuclear war.
Yeah.
To give the guy credit.
Yeah, nuclear war.
There is one on that.
To give the guy credit so that you know you're not listening to something.
I'm sure he's a lefty, but it's not like some political thing.
Like on the climate change one, he's like not an existential risk to humanity.
Just not.
Like, existential risk means wipe us out.
Yeah.
Wipe us out as a species.
And the way that climate change, you know, activists talk about it, they definitely painted
as a threat to humanity, existential.
So what I'm saying there?
Existential, imminent.
Yeah, in imminent.
Imminent.
And so for the guy to go, that, I felt like gives him some credibility, especially when
he published it because back then, that was definitely what you had to say.
My point is he does one on aliens.
And it was, and I can't repeat everything he said, because my mind can't,
conjured all up in a coherent fashion, but he went through every aspect of the probabilities.
I've talked about the Fermi paradox.
Fermi paradoxes, Enrique Fermi Parme, was one of the nuclear scientists at Los Alamos in the
1950s, 60s, 40s.
They helped develop the nuclear bomb, and they're all sitting around the lunch table
having this exact conversation, like America's preeminent scientist, and he says,
where are they?
Like, if they're capable and they're here, where are they?
And it's a logical exercise in like, why wouldn't they reveal themselves to us?
Why would we be hidden?
All these things that you start.
If first you're dismissive of that, but the more he talks about it and you walk through the logic of it, you're like, it reduces, it does.
Fermi's question does reduce the likelihood when you start thinking about.
100%.
And that's where I am.
I'm in this.
See, as a society that we create the Hollywood drama that we feel like aliens are kind of playing
this hide and seek game with us
because, again, it creates
a great story. And it's like,
well, no. I don't think it works that way
right. It doesn't work that way. If they're
really time traveling to do whatever they would do,
which is what we do, whether it's they need
minerals. Then they're so far advanced
us. Why would they toy with us? What's
the advantage to them? They're not even on our plan of existence.
So he addresses this. He goes,
what if they had a,
like, what's the word? Would it be
zoological interest in us? Like,
They only wanted to watch us.
And they wanted to see us like animals in a zoo.
So they wanted to, like, be here to some extent, see how humanity.
And he talks through that probability as well.
Like, is that possible that they could be going through that?
But to your point, the point you're getting as someone, same one he is.
Like, they would come for resource extraction if they needed it.
If they're carbon-based.
They would come for anything that would not require them to be coy about their existence.
Or they've been here.
That's the other thing.
Right.
Or they've been here for a very long time, and we are new to them.
Because the other thing that the part of this that bothers me is the coming and going aspect.
Because if you came here, this great distance, to see what you saw, and then you left, and then you're going to come back, and all you're going to do is what?
Give us an image of a hovering thing and come and go.
Why?
And they're super interested in our buttholes?
I mean, why?
It's been a very consistent thing.
Yeah.
Anal probes?
Oh, yeah.
It's in every movie.
But that's it.
It's the Hollywood.
It's the art aspect that we bring to everything that creates this image in our head.
But when you think about it in a practical way, that's why I'm very skeptical.
I'm curious.
I'm open-minded, but super, super skeptical.
Yeah.
Check out that podcast.
I do think you'll enjoy it.
All the episodes.
I think they're fascinating.
All right, that's the weave.
Maybe we just call Friday The Weave, you know?
I like it.
I don't even know why I prep on Fridays.
A good thing is you don't.
Actually, you didn't.
Apparently you didn't.
I spent hours preparing for this show.
It's so fun.
He sent me a text on my way and he's like, listen, we have no idea what's going.
Take an audience poll and see if they like Friday's the best.
We have no idea what we're covering.
Vince August, comedian, check them out on X.
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No, thank you for having me, brother.
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