Will Cain Country - They Say AI Could Destroy Humanity. Are They Lying? (ft. David Marcus & Rich Zeoli)

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Industry leaders across the AI industry have starting coming out of the woodwork recently to warn about the dangers of the technology they are helping create. Do they know something that we don’t, or is it simply a coordinated effort to consolidate control? FOX News Columnist David Marcus and Host of ‘The Rich Zeoli Show,’ Rich Zeoli join the show to weigh in the debate over AI regulation, and pinpoint just who exactly benefits by turning the public against one of the biggest tech breakthroughs in our lifetime. Plus, Will and the Crew break down another action-packed weekend of football, more concerning statements from the Lindsay Clancy jurors, and the harrowing story of the U.S. airman who found himself stranded in Iran during the opening days of Operation Epic Fury.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's Rich Zioly and Fox News columnist David Marcus. What's up, fellas? What's up, Will? I'm here, too. It's fun. Will, you got two Philly guys on your day. It's not a good day for it for you. It's a great day yesterday.

Two Philly guys. That's for sure. Eagles brought it home, baby. Yeah, two Philly guys on a day when the Cowboys lose. to book better. That's not good. I'm going to that Monday night game. You can't rain on my weekend.

You can't rain on my parade. I told us to reach that. Yeah. What? You can't bring them down today. Why? Was there some... I don't even know what a football game?

Texas fight. Will, I'm going to the Eagles Dallas game. What a night! I'm going Monday night to the Eagles Dallas game in October. I'm going to wear a Wilcane country shirt, okay? just to honor you. That'll go over well. Yeah.

You'll get beat up. That's a classic Nick Sherryani grinded out when ugly, but we got the W. Well, can't even hear what you're saying. He's just thinking about Texas. I can't. I can't. I did watch pro football.

I did. And I went 2 and O in fantasy. Football's back. It felt good. You know, I know we had games last weekend and all that. But this was like, this was it. This was college. Big games. Pro kicks off. This was awesome.

And on Saturday, Friday, right after the show, I went down to Austin. And it's the first time I've got to visit my son since he went off to college. And so it's been a month. And we went to dinner on Friday night. It was awesome. Saturday, went to a little tailgate. I don't think my son's for turning. I didn't see him. I left the tailgate. Did I? Can you? I have a good time.

Oh. Were you shotgunting? I don't know. Can you keep up with the best of them? I did not. When's the last time you shot gun to beer? I haven't shot gun to beer in a long time. I think I would die if I did it.

What day is it? I still have the technique. Maybe a few days ago. Or a funnel. Have you shotgun to beer, Dan, this weekend? Did you shotgun? Two weekends ago, yes. Two weekends ago, yes.

On a bow. I think the last time my shotgun to beer was the beginning of the summer. I did do that. And it was easier than I remember. So, yeah, I might be able to hang with the college kids. You change over time, right? The college kids can drink a lot of beer.

As you get older, you move away from beer. I do at least. And you start, you know, they can't drink the bourbons and the tequila's in the same way. I don't think. I disagree. I totally disagree with that. You think they can? When I was in college, I was a Fidel University of Maryland, we drank bourbon.

We drank bourbon and Coke, Jim Beam and Coke, or sometimes Maker's Market if we had a little extra money. And yeah, that was our go-to. That in Milwaukee's best, obviously, if we had parties. You know what was at the party? So I went to the tailgate, Natty Light. That's what was everywhere. Now, that I hadn't had in a long time. I did have a Natty Light.

Delicious. And by the way, after I left the fraternity party, tailgate, apparently Shane Gillis, Zach Ephron, Miles Teller, and Glenn Powell showed up at the house. So I missed all of them. They've been waiting for you. They might have been. And I don't know what kind of greeting I would have got. Who knows?

By the way, so I didn't do it. The University of Texas has like, I guess, I don't know. I've never done this. If you're, you can get down in the special section on the field. So all those guys were on the field that I just named, right? and you know who else is with them? Ruthless, the ruthless pot. They were down there.

Yeah, and I was like, they were texting me about, hey, should we go to the fraternity party, this and that, and like, where are you? And then I was like, they sent me a picture of them shooting the cannon. I'm like, I think you guys have got it dialed in. You don't need me. You know, you figured this out. But what an incredible, incredible night. Now, I mean, you Northeasterners may not be able to fully appreciate. I know Rich you went to Maryland.

David, I don't know what you're a fan. Are you a Penn State guy? A West Virginia guy? I'm vaguely a Notre Dame fan. There you go. Thank you. My grandfather was a Notre Dame fan. It was 23 to 3 at the start of the fourth quarter.

Horrible from Texas for three quarters. And then, boom, three touchdowns. Yeah, you know, he didn't look great, Dan. But I was all ready for the slander. Yeah, but I never felt the whole game like, wow, Ohio State's really dominating. I never felt that way. Like, there was some silly turnovers here and there. And then to win, to score a touchdown, that drive, he had to drive with three minutes,

was four minutes left in the game where they had possession. I'm like, this is it. Like, if you're a manning, if you are everybody that everybody says you're going to be, this is your game winning drive, this is your legacy. And he did exactly that. And let me just tell you something. Texas is not LSU. Texas is not probably Virginia Tech.

Like it's not known as the most intimidating home environment. It was incredible night game. I say the stats of the last drive, by the way. Crowd was going crazy, screaming Texas fight, fireworks going off, drone shows. It was awesome. I mean, I heard, I've seen things say it was the loudest they'd ever heard. The problem with college football is that next week you're going to play the little sisters of the poor. That's true.

That's so true. And I'm, you know, like what? There's eight good games in year. Notre Dame beat Rice 52 to nothing. No, you're wrong. You're wrong. No, you're wrong. Next week they will.

They play UT San Antonio. But after that, dude, it's a murderous row. I mean, Texas has to play Ole Miss, Oklahoma, A&M, I can't remember. LSU. I mean, there's no way they can go into. defeated with this schedule. And every Florida, every other weekend, it's going to be a gigantic game. And that's what we're moving to, by the way. I mean, we're moving to super teams, super conferences. Every weekend's going to be a big game. And I totally disagree with David's point. I think college

football is great. I mean, going to games, the energy, the enthusiasm, and also, by the way, the ticket prices. You could actually go. Whereas if I wanted to go to the Eagles game yesterday, it would have cost me $600 for a bad seat. You know what I mean? And I don't know. There's something exciting about you combine the tailgate, the college football experience, especially if you've got your sum there.

I mean, that's even better. But for me going to do a Maryland game or seeing Rutgers lose, which I always take joy in, seeing Rutgers lose since they're in the Big Ten. I mean, I don't know. There's something to it. It's fun.

I like it way better. Man, my younger son has never been as into it. Now I think he's for sure wanting to be a longhorn. He's a soccer fan, and I turned him doing the game. I'm like, man, I said, do you think soccer ever gets this way? He goes, absolutely not. I said, I think you're wrong. I think if you go to like a Real Madrid-Barrison game and you go to something.

That's the only thing that matches college football is passion level. I think. You go, soccer can do it. Honestly, and I'll do respect to you guys because I think the Eagles, uh, maybe the Steelers are the most passionate. Green Bay's up there. No, you're right. Stop at the Eagles. We're more passionate than Steelers fans.

Get out of here. You're passionate at each other. Let's fight each other. Well, Rich, here's why I say that. I've never been to a Steelers game. My sister-in-law who has a kid that plays at Clemson and she's super into college football, for some reason she had to go.

And she said it's the closest to a college football atmosphere. Like every bar in Pittsburgh is Steelers style. everybody in town is into it. So what I'm saying is there's a few college... A few... Yeah. A few pro-football atmospheres, but pro doesn't match it, dude. It really doesn't.

Can I ask you guys... Let me ask you guys if I could. So I went to the grocery store yesterday. I went to Wegman to get my cheese steak, so I got to do cheese steaks and wings and the whole thing. And everybody, and I mean everybody was wearing Eagles gear. Every customer, every employee, everybody. Does that happen around you now?

In Dallas? In Dallas it does. I mean, I'm in the suburbs a half hour away from the city and everybody's doing that. In New York it obviously doesn't because you have multiple teams, right? And it's funny. Where I live in West Virginia, it was not a mix that I was expecting. It's sort of like an equal balance of Ravens, Redskins, Eagles, and Steelers fans. Just all sort of like jumbled together.

Mish-Mash. New York, forget about it. I think at least for the Cowboys, Dallas is close in terms of how much gear you see. Oh, yeah. There's, yes. I just think you guys take it to an extra passion level. Like, you're, yeah, I mean, the Cowboys are merchandised and sold and popular and all that. But you guys, I will give Eagles fans their passion over Cowboys fans.

And by the way, the coolest thing about New York, David, the coolest thing about New York, I will say having Lither. I think Sundays are real fun in New York. Like, it's sort of like, the great thing about New York is not that you're surrounded by Jets and Giants fans. The great thing about New York is, it's like, it's all fans. Exactly. They're all there together. So you can go to a bar on a Sunday and they'll have every game up. And there will be a constituency for every single fan base inside that bar.

It's not ugly. It doesn't get mad. But I could go to a Packers bar. You know, that's fun. I'm in New York. You can go, like, the bars will hang flags outside. Two college football teams. I guess it's a great Eagles bar right off of Washington Square that I used to go to.

Is there a Texas bar up here, Will? Yes. Texas games? Yeah. Yeah. There was probably two. One of them was Hill Country right there in Midtown, the barbecue joint. But, yeah.

That plays out of the peanuts on the floor. Jacked. Yeah. Peanuts on the floor. There was a bar that had peanuts on the floor. This guy, I think that was a Texas bar. I don't know if it's still around. But I went there a long time ago.

It's up there, boys. Saturday night's up there. Like, it's on the list that's sporting nights I've ever had. I love your enthusiasm. It's awesome. I love it. I could feel it. I wish I was there to experience that because that feeling is just, you know, it's like Rocky.

You know what I mean? It's that underdog. The only downside. And this may have helped Texas. It was so damn hot down there. It was so hot. You were in a box, dude. All these celebrities, I was in a box.

What are you talking about? Don't worry about me. You're in air conditioning. I went to game day and like Glenn Powell and Matthew McConaughey and all these guys that are like expect to be on camera. I don't know how they're wearing what they wear. They're wearing boots and jeans and like layers to look cool. I'm like, how miserable are you to look cool? though.

You know what I mean? I was in Del Rio a couple years ago. It was when like the Haitians were under the bridge, right? And there's really only like one hotel in Del Rio and it's got this little restaurant with a patio bar sort of attached to it. And I had gone out to have a cigarette like with my drink. And this guy walks out like mid to late 20s and he's got the sunglasses, he's got the hat.

And I'm not going to do a Matthew McConaughey impression, but this guy just sounded exactly And I was like, is this guy doing a Matthew McConaughey impression? Like, I'm trying to have to stare at him, but it was weird. But then it dawned on me that, no, like, Matthew McConaughey is just actually from someplace. And where he's from, there's other people like him. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with Fox News columnist David Marcus and the host of the Rich Zioly podcast. Rich Zioly on Will King Country. Visit BetMDMDM, Casino, and text.

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Free of charge. BetMGEMG employs pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Rich Dioli and David Molli. Marcus. I know. I disagree, David. I think Matthew McConaughey's doing it. I'm born and raised here. I'm born and raised here. I know people from all parts of Texas. Nobody talks like McConaughey. Really? It's put on? This guy did, Will? That guy is a Matthew McConaughey impersonator. That's his job. There's kernels of things in McConaughey that are legit. But like Stephen A on first take, like he's just turned it up to 12. Like that's Stephen A and parts of him are that's who he is. but he just took those parts and turned it up to 12.

And McConaughey took that, and he turned it up to 12, and then he started adding, like, weird affectations to it. And, you know, and it's not recognizable to me of anybody else. I'll introduce you to this guy in Del Rio. When he's sitting there in the Lincoln, and he's doing his whole thing about the time, space continuum, wherever the hell he's talking about, he doesn't sound Texas to me.

I don't think Texas when I hear that. I think he's being some, I don't know, empirical philosopher or something like that but I don't I don't immediately go all this guy's Texas All right I want to get to this So David don't don't be dismissive

Okay Don't poo poo on this Even though I think we're going to end up In the same place maybe But if you pull on your cigarette And go I don't care about AI Then I'm gonna I'm booting you off the show

Okay I actually really find this fascinating So what's this dude's name? Again, I should know his name. Is it Dario Modi? Is that what it is? So what is he? He's anthropic.

He's, that's what he is, right? Anthropic CEO? All right. So he comes out after last week with this Jacob Coxon dude, who's a big nobody that nobody's ever heard of, who says AI is going to kill us all within 10 years. And we need to be serious about regulating super intelligence. And then everybody starts going, what's going on? Is this a whistleblower in the industry?

Or is this, you know, Chicken Little and David Sacks, the Trump administration's AIsar, said, you know, he thinks there's an op going on. So then over the weekend, this is what you get from the CEO of Anthropic Dario Amodi. I won't lie to you. There are real dangers. And I think for too long, the industry lied to people about the fact that this technology had risk. The idea was that they would present it as positive as positive. We've never done that, but too much of the industry did that. And so it starts with telling the truth.

And the truth is there are risks. Risks are real. All right. So he goes on to call for regulation. He calls for not U.S. government regulation, but worldwide regulation. He describes what sounds like the WHO of AI, basically intergovernmental agencies that all come together to regulate the risks that come with AI. And then he's not alone because CEO of Open AI, Sam Altman, also joins the chorus of fear.

I do take comfort in the fact that you will stop, it sounds like, if you feel like there's a point of no return, you will stop before that happens. We've talked about... I think there will be many places along the way where we have to say we are pausing, we're going to redirect our efforts into safety alignment before we can go to that next level. And this is what we've been doing for a long time. It has worked so far. I suspect it will continue to work. I don't think we're ever personally going to get to the point we have to say melt all the GPUs. But, you know, if we had to do something like that to ensure the continued existence of humanity, easy, yes.

I don't think it's going to happen. I think it's just going to continue as like next level of progress, next level of safety and alignment requirement. So the fear now has a cartel. and it includes Bernie Sanders, and it includes Steve Bannon, all of whom are coming together to say we need to do something to stop AI's progress. And now I'll start with you, David. My antennas are up. This is not normal. And my fear becomes about something more than the Matrix, something more than the Terminator, something more than AI.

My fear is now about a cartel, about turning something that looks like a coup. be progress over to the world governments. Yeah, well, I mean, that's actually a rational fear, unlike this notion that AI is going to wipe out humanity in 10 years. I mean, listen, on the list of things that I'm afraid are going to eventually kill me, AI is somewhere between plane crash and rock climbing accident. And I don't rock. I mean, this is not, you know, explain this to me.

Like, how is this physically going to happen? Is it going to hack the new code? I mean, don't let it. Make there be a key you have to turn. Is it going to send some virus out into the world? Don't let it and put human beings in charge of that. You know, there's this episode of the office where Michael and Dwight are driving. And Michael's using the GPS and it's telling him to go into a river.

And Dwight's like, no, don't do that. That's a river. And Michael's like, well, now we're going to listen to the technology and they drive in the river, right? Just don't drive in the freaking river. I don't, none of this makes any sense to me, and I agree with you 100% will that just like climate change, this is an effort by very powerful people to say, you have to put us in charge of this because, boy, otherwise, everyone's going to die or China's going to take over. I share your fear exactly. I think that we're being lied to. And I also think they're sort of pretending like this is a declaration against self-interest. which, I mean, you're the lawyer. I'm not a lawyer, right?

But that's like an exception to the hearsay. It's a declaration against self-interest, which means, oh, boy, we better take it seriously because they wouldn't say it if it wasn't true, except there's this whole other batch of self-interest that may be more powerful. So, yeah, I'm exactly with you on this. I'm more afraid of these people than I am of their technology.

Yes, perfectly said, more afraid of these people than the technology, Rich. Yeah, so what happens? They pick the top three firms, open AI, Anthropic, and whoever else, like, you know, meta, whatever. Those are the three that are allowed to work on AI, and nobody else is. I mean, that's what they want. They want to shut the marketplace out, and they're using fear to do that, because a lot of people have a tendency whenever they're afraid of something to say, government, come save me.

You know, whatever it is. It's terrorism, climate change, whatever, a virus, you know, government, come save me. So now it's AI. Government save me. How does government save you? Well, it says, we trust these three firms. We don't trust anybody else. So it's now illegal to make AI unless you were authorized by the federal government. There's so many problems with that. But obviously, these guys are doing it because they want to dominate the market, and that's the best way to do it for them versus the traditional way in the private sector. And then, you know, there's going to be people that it's going to create an underground for people who are working on AI. They're not going to stop. But now it's not in the open. that worries me. And also, you could have a world government of bond villains regulating this like they wanted to do with the World Health Organization where we, you know,

we seat our liberty to this international cabal of people who decide for us and we have no sovereignty. But China's not going to play that game. And I think that as these guys are saying this, we need to slow down. They're literally as we speak right now, working on AI. Like, they're not slowing down.

As we speak, at this moment, they are working on AI to make it better and to make it more profitable for them. So this is all just talk to be able to get the government to regulate this. And even if we had, like Peggy Newner wrote this op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, you know, for humanity's sake, we need to slow down AI. Great. But China is not going to slow down. And I think it's great that the president is lame duck

because he can go out there and say all this stuff and get blowback from people like Bannon and other people in the MAGA movement and not care because he's not. He knows it's in the best interests of the United States of America. We have to kind of slow down a little bit, too. Did I see that somewhere? Do you believe them, though? No.

I haven't. Yeah, I had not heard China say that, and if they did say that to Richard's point, I would not believe them. Right. No, I think China said the opposite. I think China had a statement today saying, this is silliness, like we should go full war with AI. Nobody's going to lay down their sword first. No. No company wants to lay down their sword.

No country wants to lay down their sword. And those that are calling for the laydown of swords are the ones that already have the biggest sword to Rich's point. Correct. I thought David Sacks's post on this was perfect. It's a little long, but I think I want to share it. He writes on X, Dario has written that we need to pace the frontier, and Sam has agreed. People may be surprised by my response, but it is, go ahead. You guys are the frontier by any reasonable metric, market share, revenue growth, model,

capability, the two of you have a duopoly on frontier intelligence. You've also claimed the lead is widening because of recursive self-improvement. I don't see what you see in the lab. If the unreleased models are scary enough that you think you should slow down, I support your decision to be responsible. But stop pretending you need anyone else's permission. Stop pretending anti-trust law has to be suspended so you can form a cartel. Stop pretending you need a regulatory approval process that supersedes product liability. Stop pretending meter is independent when it's intertwined with Anthropics, investors, and staff. Stop pretending you need those who same evaluators to police competitors who aren't even at the frontier.

Most of all, stop pretending the motivation to slow down is purely altruistic. You face massive product liability exposure if your products enable a truly damaging cyber attack. The market already punishes models that behave in unpredictable and unauthorized ways. After the Hugging Face episode, which I'm not familiar with. pacing the frontier would create breathing room for a more intelligent conversation about regulation than Bernie Sanders shut it all down. China is very unlikely to join a global agreement, as you know, and that has to be taken to account as well. So go ahead. Pace the frontier. You're the one setting it. The easiest way to not build superintelligence is for you to agree to not build it.

Demanding your preferred regulatory framework as the price of that will look like blackmail of the public and the political system. just do it. It's such a great point. David, I think you were on last week when I was talking about, I've gotten to be a little bit fascinated with Paul Harvey again, you know, the, the mid-20th century radio tycoon, honestly, legend. Yeah, it has a legend, yeah. Legend, rich, right? And I was listening to some of the rest of the stories. I was in that car ride back from Austin, and I was just sampling. And there was one I listened to, just coincidentally. alternating current. And of course, anybody who's well read in history would remember this story, but there was a massive war in the early 1900s between alternating current and direct current.

And alternating current was better, objectively in every way. Carried electricity further, carried it with more power. You know, and this was when we were light in the country, literally delivering electricity across the country. But direct current had the science community and it had the news media and it had the public. Like the public, it was very similar to the data center debate. Like the public was overwhelmingly in favor of D.C. over AC. Why? Well, in part because Thomas Edison, who ran the, you know,

he was a huge investor in constituency in D.C., not Washington, D.C., direct current. He said, he ran this. And there was a little kid who was electrocuted and died at an AC power substation. So they used some of these stories, and the public was so against AC. Now, I think over time, and that's George Westinghouse, AC won, and it should have won, and it was better. And by the way, you saw the same thing play out with nuclear, although in nuclear, they won the propaganda war. We shut down nuclear for half a century. And then David brought up a good one with climate change.

Try to. These are all in service of a constituency, a cartel, a group. and I'm beginning to get myself on the side of the modern day alternating current, the modern day nuclear debate, which is the AI. And if I'm not going to be on the AI side of things, David, you said it earlier, I need to describe to me. What am I supposed to be afraid of? Like, help me understand it. Because all you're giving me really is job loss. Well, that happens with every new innovation.

And I don't buy the water and electricity stuff from data centers. So you're kind of giving me something that I want to buy into, which is The Matrix or a Terminator. But it's got to be better than a Hollywood movie, your fear. So explain it to me, Dario. It also can't tell you how many E's are in the word 17. So, like, how far are we? You know? Like, it's still, I use it every day and it's still not that far.

So worrying about a Matrix situation does not seem realistic. I don't think we really, I don't think we really understand exactly what it does beyond super computing. I'm not convinced that it does anything beyond super computing. I think the term super intelligence is a nonsense term. And I think that this is a thing that we call artificial intelligence. I don't think that it actually is artificial intelligence. In terms of how human beings relate to it, I was thinking about this the other day where the first time I held an iPhone in my hand, nobody had to tell me what to do with it. Not only that, all of us who have kids know that the first time you put an iPhone in a two-year-old's hand, nobody has to.

to explain to them what to do with it, right? The first time I ever saw that, I thought, oh my goodness, my son's a genius, and then I realized, no, Mrs. Jobs' son is a genius, right? Then look at the advertising that was associated with that technology. All they did was show you a picture of it, sometimes not even that, sometimes just white headphones, right? They didn't have to tell you anything. They just had to show you the object that you wanted it and you knew how to use it.

Now look at the ads that we see all the time for AI, where it's like, we're going to give you a super smart shopping list. Okay, but that's all right. Then they'll show you one where it's like, oh, a boss is using AI. And it's always like, how can I use this to give my top employees, you know, bonuses? Or how can I hire more people? So you sort of see the message behind the message. But to me, there's no clarity.

And I like this question as a thought experiment. I wonder where you guys fall. I've thought about it for a while. In terms of direct impact, and to your point, Will, in terms of direct impact on people's lives, what which period of technology had greater impact the first 20 years of the 20th century or the first 20 years of the 21st I think it's clearly the 20th and that a lot of what we're talking about today is is way overblown I'm the only thing the clearly part I would if you made me guess or put my bet down right now David I'd go the 20th but if my only caveat is sometimes it's hard to see it while you're in it the change more drastically. It's more subtle now. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with Fox News columnist David Marcus and the host of the Rich Zioly podcast. Rich Zioly on Wheel King Country.

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Then there's less changes. Yeah, I'd probably vote. I'd vote 20th. By the way, quick non-sequitur. I can see the comments. Patriot boy. Patriot boy mom 547 says

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I didn't hear it Yes Tinfoil Pat's baby has arrived And get this I hope he doesn't mind this He's in the chat so The name Patrick is

Yeah This whole time Well, paternity leave shows nice. He's bored. They can't sleep, so he might as well chat. Right. Cormick Hatton. Oh, that's nice.

Pretty cool name. That's a solid name right there. Love it. That's great. Cormac. It's literally the second Cormac I know. I don't know the first one. I just know of the first one.

Right? Like, do you know another Cormick besides Cormick McCarthy? I know one. It is actually from Ireland. but that's about it. But it's a solid name. Yeah. A lot of them up in New York here, Connecticut.

It's kind of... Is that a Nord-Easter name? I think... It's Irish, but yeah, I mean, New York. It's a little nickname-proof, which can be in... You can call them Mac, I guess, but, like, it's kind of nickname-proof. They'll call them Kormi. Yeah, Korme is a good one. Like, my son is Patrick.

My son is Patrick, and we don't want him called Pat, but his buddies all call him Patty. It's like, come on, Patty, Patty, let's go. You know what I mean? Well, that's how that goes. Like when I was, at least on the Irish side of my family, my cousin, like my cousin Jimmy, I call him Jimmy because we were in like the playpen together. Yeah. But then when I met his college friends, they knew him as Jim. And then now when I meet his professional associates, they know him as James.

But I always get to call him Jimmy. Yeah. Your grandfathered in. Right. Patty. Patty's good, man. Yeah. Patty is regional, though.

Yeah. Like if you, if you, it is like, no. I don't think any dude down here wants to be called Patty. But if you play hockey, you can be a Patty. And if you're Irish in the Northeast, you can be a Patty. If you're a cop. Can be? I don't mean you're getting a pass.

It's weird. I actually think it makes you cooler. You know what? Like if I met a dude from like the Northeast and his name's Patty, I'm like, that's kind of cool. If I meet a Patty down here, I'm like, I don't, I don't, why are you patty? You think Patty like an older woman Patty? Like, oh, that's on Patty. Like Pat from Saturday Live.

No, it's like, I think of like tough Irish cop working the beat. You know what I mean? Paddy O'Sullivan. Yeah, Paddy O'Sullivan. He's got his nightstick and's ready to beat some dude who's, you know, coming out drunk out of an alehouse. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I think of Patty. So true.

Maybe because Cormac McCarthy writes these violent Westerns, I think of it as a Western name now. Like Cormick. I think you can't say that name without me thinking about some cowboy covered in blood. That was no country for old men, right? He wrote that, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

All the pretty horses. Yeah. Blood Meridian. Yes. So many good ones. So good. The road. The road.

Yeah. And Blood Meridian, they turned that into, I think it was the Coen Brothers. They turned that into a great movie. That was really well done. In the 80s, I think. No, they did Blood Simple. Blood Simple. They didn't do Blood Simple.

They were Blood Maridian? No, it's never been made into a movie. I think they've toyed around with making it several times. By the way, speaking of movies, you brought up the Terminator and the Matrix. Can I just throw one other movie out for your consideration? Yeah. War Games. So, like, I think that when you're talking about the AI fear, I think War Games is probably more apropos than anything else. Where at some point, that's the one where they have that supercomputer

and Matthew Broderick is, he hacks into it. He's a kid. He's a teenager. And then he hacks into it and he starts playing global, thermal, nuclear war with the Whopper, which is at the Pentagon or it's in wherever it is, NORAD. And the Wopper thinks that it's like an attack and gets ready to launch the nuclear missile. It thinks like it's actually orders. And Matthew McConae thinks he's just playing a game. Like he doesn't realize that he's...

And then they have to go and they got to find the guy who develop the technology and they got to go to NORAD and they got to shut it down. But I think that's the fear. It's what Jack Carr has written about too. It's a quantum computers that eventually take over for the military. And then at some point, then they could launch everything. thing and, you know, but why would they do that, though?

Like, that's what I never understood. Don't let it. I know. I agree. I'm saying, I think, I'm not saying I fear this. I think that's what they sell the fear on. It makes her great movies. It makes her great books.

It scares the bejesus out of people. But I keep coming back to the same thing. If AI is that smart, why would AI want to do that? Because AI is going to get destroyed too. So that makes no sense. I want to put a button on this, but this is what I think. What I'm starting to get feel is I'm getting played. That's what I feel.

I'm getting played by Sam Altman. I'm getting played by Dario Amodi. I'm getting played by Bernie Sanders. Yes. I'm getting played by China. They all want to win. And in order to win, what they want is to scare the shit out of the rest of us so that we will invite them in to regulate themselves or in China's case so we will suppress ourselves.

But I'm curious about this, Dan. The chat, what you have up right now. Do they disagree? Because, like the data center thing, 70% disapproval rating is our. Are the people going, no, no, no, I'm with Bernie. I'm with these guys. Shut this down. That's what I don't know.

People aren't. By the way, I think the data center disapproval, and David, I think you think this too. It's about AI and tech at large rather than these data centers. 100%. Yeah, I mean, people are a little mixed on it. They think that it needs a fail save. But someone was saying in the chat, when do we know if we've won the AI war? You know, just to just keep on going?

When is there an end? That's a great question. Like, where do we get to? And Rich pointed out earlier, J.D. Vance this morning said he felt like all this was a bit of a Trojan horse. Himself when he was asked about it just today. Backing up your point, Will and David, about how these companies are just trying to get the government to pick them. Yep. You know?

I just want our AI to be able to beat up their AI and I could sleep at night. I just wanted to make one point about the... fight each other. I just wanted to make one point about the movie War Games, which was that it would have done a lot better if it also had Kelly LeBrock in it.

I think that's where... Wait. Who is his... Who was his girlfriend in that? Ali Sheidi. She was at her prime in that movie. Of course it was Matthew Broderkin. It's not the same as Kelly LaGas.

You are way off on this. You're way off. No, stop it. You can do a poll. Kelly LaBrock and Her Science or Ali Sheet isn't. I don't know who either are. I will win by so much.

It'll be 80-20. Is your argument, David? Is your argument that basically any 80s movies should have Kelly LeBrock in it? It wasn't a shot at Al-Sheed. It was that everything is better with Kelly LeBrock? Is that what you're arguing? Matthew Broderick movies. I'll take Kelly LeBrock.

I just looked it up. I mean, I think of weird science with Kelly Blok. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's a great one. Yeah, yeah. Is Ali Sheet's Breakfast Club, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, she's the weirdo in Breakfast Club. Right? Mm-hmm. She's the hot weirdo. The goth. The hot goth chick, yeah. Yeah. All right.

So this Lindsay Clancy deal, this got to be the end of it. No, maybe it hasn't. Because we haven't heard from the black dude. I can't wait. Can we get that for the Will King Show? I want that. Get him. I want to hear from him so bad.

Man, they're going after him. They're doxing him. Yeah, it's awful. They brought up those accused of domestic violence. That dude should seriously. going to hiding because they will destroy him. They'll kill him. They'll try to kill him. I really believe that.

For sure. I think Ron DeSantis offered him sanctuary in Florida. I think it really did. There's your own little key of the Florida Keys. So the jurors keep giving interviews. And this lady, do you ever name, Dan? Is it Patty Devlin or something like that? Is it keyfighter for me?

The one of the video. She gave another interview, and it gets more and more appalling, the more you hear from these. jurors. Watch this. We knew that this was a turning point and this would be something that could change something to make it better for other women in the future, for other families. You know, justice for those children is this never happening again. So Paula Devlin.

Paula. Paula. So this was a turning point. was a turning point. It just it sickens me that they have made this about, it's like a mark on women, feminism, you know, and this is why the guy,

the lone juror, you know, oh, he had charges of domestic abuse and, you know, it's to bring down the patriarchy. What, when the hell did it, it has to become now, you know, this is bigger than just a woman who murdered her kids. This is a stand for all women. I mean, it's insane to me. Because

if your argument is that she had postpartum psychosis, not every woman gets that. So why are you making it about all women? And this is some sort of a liberation mark for all women. That I don't understand. Unless you're saying it's really not postpartum psychosis and it's just postpartum depression or it's just hormones and all women get those things. Is that what you're saying? They're they're all over the place on this and it just infuriates me. You know, I think there's one really telling line in that clip and it's the last one where she says that justice for the children will be this never happening again. Well, guess what? That's never going to be the truth.

never been the truth in the entire history of humanity. There are parents who kill their children. There always will be. There is no utopia that you can create of better mental health services or whatever it is that's going to keep people from sometimes doing horrible, evil things. And that's why we have laws. And that's why we've always had laws. Because in this case, somebody has to be punished for this thing that they did. Clearly, these troopers were not thinking about story that backs up your point. What's that? Here's a terrible story, David.

Creating some utopia where children never get killed. It's, it's mindless dribble. Dan, you could look this up on telling us. I'm not going to remember her name, but I read this the other day. I believe this was in the 60s. Oh, yes, I know this.

Yep. Do you know this story? I do. I talked about it on my podcast, yeah. Did you really? Yeah. Lady kills her three kids. Same thing.

And then, you know, in a feeble attempt tries to kill herself and this husband comes home, finds her under the bed, finds the three dead kids, right? They arrest her. They take her in. She's found not guilty by reason insanity. She goes to the mental hospital. I think, was it in Illinois? I can't remember where it was. Constance Fisher? He stands by her. Yes, Constance Fisher. Yes. He stands by her side. He stays with her. She's in the mental hospital. What is it like, like eight years, maybe? Eight years, something like that, ridiculous amount of time. I think it's like eight years. She gets out.

He gets back together with her. They have three more kids. She does it again. She kills the three new kids. No. Yes. Yeah. And then she finally kills herself for real. Because, you know, they released her from the psych hospital because we went through this phase where it was like, oh, if they're okay, let her out. That's what happened to Lindsay Clancy. That's what people keep saying. Right. She can't kill anymore. She's not a threat because her children are dead. No, she absolutely can. And this

Wisconsin Fisher is a great example of that. You know, it's not like Lindsay Clancy's cured. We keep forgetting this whole thing. And if she's sent to a psychiatric hospital, people are like, she's never getting out. No, she will get out. As soon as some psychiatrist signs a form saying she's better, as long as she stays on her meds and goes to her counseling, she can be a productive member of society again. Really?

You know what I mean? There's no cure for what she has with this kind of depravity and evil. and if you assign it to mental illness, you just give it an excuse, but let's say it's mental illness for the sake of argument. Okay, what is the treatment for that? Well, the treatment is making sure

that she can be a functioning member of society again. Until when? Until what happens? You know? Should she be barred from ever having kids again? Like, should there be a law that Lindsay Clancy can't reproduce because she might get postpartum psychosis again?

Should every woman have to get a test for that before they have kids? I mean, to listen to these jurors in the way they've made this about all women now, even though the statistics say it's one in a thousand, Well, maybe you should test those women for that genetic anomaly where they may get, you know, postpartum psychosis and say you can't have a child. I mean, it's ridiculous.

I think what you see is that these jurors clearly weren't trying this case. They were trying the American system of mental health. They were trying the American system of Jepard. Yeah. And patriarchy. And patriarchy. Right. Right.

Right. It wasn't this case. They were trying American society. And, you know, I don't know. But that's not that weird, is it? I mean, this is what you see with the DSA and the communists and all these things. It's always this sort of, you know, society writ large is the problem. And clearly that's what these jurors were interested in, not these three kids who were brutally murdered.

I will say her attorney did a good job of making it about the pharmaceutical industry, making it about the failures of the mental health industry. And he was able to tap into that frustration with people like, oh, yeah, you know, they failed her by putting her on all these drugs. Everyone brings that up the drugs thing. And then the interactions with the drugs and how, you know, she couldn't get the help she needed. But she did get the help she needed. Exactly. The problem is we can't really fix people like that. And we have to be honest about that.

We can't fix that. Let's take a quick break. But continue this with Fox News columnist David Marcus and the host of the Rich Zioly podcast, Rich Zioly on Will King Country. Welcome back to Will King Country. We're still hanging out with Rich Zioly and David Marcus. Speaking of parenting, there's this story as well out of Virginia. Virginia mom has now been convicted. after letting a five-year-old walk alone to the neighborhood pond.

She got a suspended jail sentence and placed on Virginia's child abuse and neglect registry. She let her five-year-old walk half a mile from her house to the pond. He liked to collect goose feathers. That's what his jam was. So she's like, okay, you can walk down there and get some goose feathers. He encounters a security guard along the way, I guess like an HOA or neighborhood security guard. He takes the kid back home. The cops, I guess he tells the cops, later the cops come and charge her with this.

Five, okay, five years old. It's not New York. I wouldn't let my five-year-old walk ten blocks in New York. That's half a mile. He did have to cross a few streets. I'm sure it's not like crossing, you know, 79th Street. I mean, this later. gets suspended jail sentence.

Lindsay Clancy. Yeah. Not guilty. Reason and insanity. Yeah. Great point. Yeah, I don't know. Would you guys let your kid do this?

I can't try out of kids yet, too. I seems a little young, but I think it, I think there's a lot of cultural diversity here within our country, because I certainly go places in this country where there's, you know, 12-year-olds who drive tractors. Yeah. So I think it. really depends on or you know places where like you know there's guns all over the place right well those kids have been taught how to deal with that in a way that like an urban kid hasn't so i mean i

think you have to be a little careful to your point about you wouldn't let them walk 10 blocks in new york city but i think there are some cultural differences here and virginia might be one of these places where those were a more sort of rural tradition of let the kids roam and the HOA crazy Karen lady tradition are bound to smash into each other and it sounds like that maybe happened here. I think the problem, because this is not just, this case

got a lot of national attention, but there was a case outside of Philadelphia on the main line. Same thing, the kid was a little bit older, but was walking by himself and the cops came. And the cops didn't escalate the situation. The mom was not charged. But it led to, they're now trying to rewrite the law to basically say, it has to be on a case-by-case

basis. Instead of just having this top-down law, like if a kid's not with their parents, the parents get arrested and lose the, you know, go on lists and stuff. Look at the situation. In this case, this kid was in a gated community. He walked this all the time, and he didn't want to go with the security guards. He told his mom, I don't want to go with a stranger. He's a stranger.

Like in that case, charging this mom in that case is ridiculous. Now, if that same mom had let that kid to the point earlier, you know, hang out on 42nd Street by himself, that's a different situation. And we just have to stop with this top down, like, oh, yeah, we've decided. At eight years old, they can't walk home, but at 10 they can. It's like, you know, know your kid, know the neighborhood, know the situation, and then the authorities should use some judgment in that and decide whether or not these parents really did anything wrong.

I've got a six-year-old. And I personally would not let her because my six-year-old's just, she's just all over the place. But my son, when he was six, I would have let him. So I think it just depends on the kid and the situation. You know, there's another aspect of it. The kid wouldn't get in the car. He wouldn't get in the car security guard.

He's a stranger. Because he was taught the right way, how to, like, go on a walk. Right. But one other aspect of this, and I don't know which if you grew up in Philadelphia, I grew up in Northeast Philly in a neighborhood called Longcrest in the 80s. And when I was five, six or seven years old, I basically had my run of the neighborhood, but all of the ladies in the neighborhood could also tell me what the hell to do. Right.

Right. If Mrs. Ferry saw that I was doing something wrong, and she would literally sit on the porch with the police monitor and a notebook. And if she saw me did something wrong, there was a phone. I'm by hand to God, that's all Mr. Perry did. And if you did something wrong, you got home that night and we got a call from Mrs. Ferry. So, I mean, communities operate that way too where like, you know, I have a neighbor who's got one who has Down syndrome. And if I see that kid, what I have authority to go say, hey, Bella, you got to come over here. So the community plays a role there too. Yeah, absolutely. Loss of that.

Without a doubt. All right, I want to walk through this. Credit to 60 Minutes, CBS, they got this interview with a man who we only know is Bravo. He is part of the Dude 44 fighter jet that was shot down over Iran. You remember this from some months ago. And a rescue operation had to be conducted where they got both Bravo and his pilot. He was the backseater, Bravo Alpha. That's what they're calling them. And it was a fascinating story. The interview is only with Bravo, who was out there in the Iranian mountains for, what was it, 24 hours longer or maybe more than Alpha, with a broken back, a sprained ankle, a broken arm, a broken shoulder, hiding in the mountains of Iran. And why is all that broken? Because his shoot did not work when they ejected from the plane. Listen to this about the fall from the plane. My parachute was damaged in the initial attack at one point when I looked up and saw no parachute. That was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen.

So I paused right then, and I prayed, Lord, you will be done. But if I'm getting through this, I need help. While you're in the air. Yeah. Is that almost like free-falling, or how would you describe that? Free-falling is a good way to put it. Yeah, he goes on to say, she asks, how fast were you dropping? He goes, well, no one knows for sure, but they estimate 70 to 100 miles an hour when he hits the ground.

My God. Just freaking incredible. And he's out there, and the Iranians know it, and they're looking for him. And I said in the piece, I can't remember how close they said the Iranians got to him. but the rescue mission is absolutely incredible. Like, you know, did I see, did you guys watch it? Did you watch this? I watched the clips after.

I didn't watch it live. But I just, it's a, I mean, it's such, what a miracle that this guy, I mean, survived. It's incredible. Dude, they flew a B-52 in and landed it and then offloaded these little helicopters and took the little helicopters to go get him and then helicopter back. And then the B-52 was stuck in the dirt. They couldn't get it outside. They had to fly a new one in and get all these guys and then bomb their own plane to take care of the technology.

All while this dude, you know, this dude, not all while, this is after the fact, but this dude is hiding in the crevices of these mountains up in Iran. Incredible, incredible story. And I love that we did not leave him behind. Like, we got him. Like, that's so important. Hex said, was interviewed as well. They had to make the choice. Here, listen to this real quick.

They had to make the choice to let him sit out there for another 24 hours. There was the thought of maybe going on Friday night first, but it just didn't line up. That was a really tough decision. I'll never forget being in the situation room and saying, okay, I guess we're going to roll 24, which means, hey, Bravo's going to be out there for basically 24 hours more. Bravo would have to survive with almost no water and no food. wind in the cold of the high mountain desert for another full day. Just badass all around.

I don't know how these guys do it. I'm jealous of 60 minutes got the interview. But it's so amazing. We live in such a risk-averse society today. And I think we forget what human beings are really capable of. I was just reading a book about the northern voyages of the discovery of America. All those guys died. I mean, Verrazano got eaten alive by Carib Indians in front of his brother.

Let's think about that the next time you take the bridge. These guys all died. I was supposed to say like the bridge? Yeah, that guy. You got eaten alive in front of his brother. That's crazy. I know. But no, but they all died, right?

And even, even what was it, the Gemini program and we were sending guys to space and we kind of accepted like, this sucks. But we got to get to space and these guys made a really brave sacrifice. And we have a very different attitude towards that today, whether that's, good or that's bad. But this guy's story is just evidence of human beings can still do that if that's what they want to do. And it's, as you said, well, it's pretty badass. Could you imagine, you know, David, what's the name of that book, by the way? What's the name of the book you read? I have to find it. It was great. It was written by a guy who Roosevelt had right the official history of the U.S. Navy in the 40s. I'll get it to you. It was written by an admiral.

It's just called like the Northern. I'll get it to you, though. Yeah. I love all these explorer. I read The Wager as David Graham, I think. And I've read several of those explorer books going up into the Arctic. And I've read endurance about South America as well, which currently there's a conspiracy theory that Antarctica doesn't exist. Don't even start. It's a beautiful drop. Patrick's going to rile up the chat.

But I don't know. I don't, I'm not going to give a, this is in. independent of this story we're talking about now. But you just said something that does fascinating me, David. And I think this is American. I think this is American. I know it's not Russian. How about that? Yeah. We have a really low tolerance for the sacrifice that is required to do things. You know, like, and each sacrifice is really important and big. And this guy was rescued and he should have been because we can afford it and we could do it and we did it. But 15 guys have died in Iran, right?

It's like in every one of those 15 lives are incredibly important. But historically, by comparison, in any conflict, that is like so low it doesn't even register. You know? And I don't know what it is that changed about America that, you know, there are people that take these risks on our behalf. And historically, you know, a lot didn't make it, a lot. Whether or not it was exploring America, when it was World War II, whatever it was, right? And I'm not saying right or wrong. The Russian mentality of wars, you throw bodies at it over and over and over.

And they have an extremely high tolerance for societal pain on that front. That's how they won World War II. But I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's our media culture where each one is amplified in the old days it really wasn't. You knew if somebody in your hometown had died, but I don't know. I don't know what it says about us going forward that our tolerance collectively is really, really low for the price of great things happening or necessary things happening. That kind of brings it back to AI, isn't it?

Well, I would say it brings it back to the bomb, right? Because I think last week, well, we were talking about World War II and Pearl Harbor and 9-11 and what the sort of like associations there are like over time or whatever. But you ask anyone over 50 and they will say absolutely we should have dropped the bomb because, you know, hundreds of thousands of people would have died. Like there's people we know who wouldn't exist had we not done that. And today you look at it and so many young people are like, oh my goodness, like that was a horrible thing that we did.

I do think to your point, well, part of the balance is part of the reason that Americans are willing to put their lives on the line when they do is that they understand that that's valued by the broader culture. And when the broader culture has the opportunity to send a bullet instead of a man or a bomb instead of a man, we're going to make that choice and not the choice of having, you know, emptying the prisons and have them walk across minefields. Yeah. The president keeps making the point about AI that it can do incredible things,

to cure cancer, do all these things. there's a risk aversion to AI in our society right now that could effectively derail all this, whether it's the risk aversion of data centers. Because, you know, I think that a lot of people don't want them because of the water, the noise. I do think that's one of the concerns you hear at these local town meetings that I observe every now and then.

But it's risk aversion. It's like, oh, this is going to take your job. This is going to kill us. Whenever there's big change like that, there's always a resistance to it. You brought up AC and DC power back then. I mean, think of the resistance. of the automobile. They get the resistance to the assembly line. There's always resistance to that.

I will just say that when it comes to war, I think that look, I mean, we just talked about 9-11 and the war on terror. We got bogged down in a very long war. And I think that fear is still there. And I don't think it's risk aversion. I think that's just, we just don't want to do that again, you know? Fair. But so American public has to be sold on whatever it is they're being asked to sacrifice for, right? And the question is, I think, let's just say that there was a war with China, right? Let's just say there was.

Now, I do think how that war begins sort of sets the American mind. If we're attacked like we were on Pearl Harbor or 9-11, then I think the American pain for sacrifice is much higher. But if it's over the South China Sea, and this ignites some huge. huge conflict. It makes you wonder then in that context, you know, how would Americans respond to that war when the loss of life amounts? You know what I mean? Versus how the Chinese would respond. Yeah. And if we if we didn't have the same level of commitment and commitment means pain threshold, how do we win? Like if China invaded Taiwan, do you think the public would support us going in? No, I don't. I agree. No, we win the way we always win with overwhelming

force. I mean, it's the only way. That's the only way to overcome our, that's the only way to overcome the disadvantage that we have in the value that we place on human life, at least our own human. But David, what kind of overwhelming force? Well, I mean, we're showing in Iran right now that can't be done through the air alone. Well, I mean, it depends. You know, it struck me as interesting during the, the 9-11 tributes that we were seeing right in this legacy of George W. Bush. My perspective 25 years later is on September 12th, George W. Bush had one job, only one job, and it was to make sure that this never happened again. 25 years later, it hasn't happened again.

You can say what you will about how the Iraq and the Afghanistan war went and things went bad, things went badly, or whatever it is. At the end of the day, our enemies learned if you kill 3,000 American civilians that way, millions people are going to have a really bad time. We are going to respond in a way that's going to be so bad that you're not going to do this again. I think you're seeing Israel finally get there after October 7th. But I think that's the attitude is that we will, yeah, we'll kill a lot of people to make sure that you don't kill any more of our people.

You know, to your point, David, Bill Maher did this on Friday night, I think. He said, let's take a minute because it's 25 years since 9-11. And on September 12th, the idea that we would go 25 years without a major terror attack was kind of unthinkable, right? And he gave credit to the intelligence agencies, the War Department, everybody who's a part of that. Like, we do need to step back and go, wow, it is. I remember in September of 2001 going, well, it'll be shopping malls. It'll be everything. It'll be sporting events.

Power plans. It'll be everything. And it hasn't been. I mean, and that's not because they didn't want. to. Because it was a hell of the price to pay. They learned what the price was, and it's very high. See, I'm not so sure that that's the case.

I don't think they care. I think that they don't care about their people. And if we get, they want us bogged down in another Middle Eastern war. I mean, that's what they want. It's the old saying, which is that, you know, you Americans have the watches, we have the time. I don't think they care if we get bogged down. I mean, everybody, you know, maybe Osama bin Laden misjudged when we got bogged down

in that. But then again, you know, did it, did it, did it sort of? serve us to be there so long? I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's the question. Well, Rich, I don't know, and I literally don't know. I don't know if what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan had a direct impact on keeping us safe here at home. I think the argument probably leans in the favor of yes. But I think whatever, and I think there's real debates to be had about our civil liberties and the Patriot Act and so forth. But I'm talking about back here at home. Yeah, I mean, I agree. You know there, you know there are plots and people that they have stopped back here who,

The intelligence community finally got their act together, and I think that fundamental change right there, getting everything under one umbrella of Homeland Security and making sure that these agencies were talking to each other, that was key. That was a, you know what I mean? And like, look, I busted chops at the TSA because I really, you know what I mean? Like, I want to bring water through. But we have not had anyone hijack a plane. I mean, you know, for all the ball busting and the groping and everything, nobody's hijacked a plane. Nobody has come close to that.

It was pretty relaxed back then, too. Yeah, and remember the cockpit doors back then? You could just literally walk through them like it was like a bathroom door. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, all these changes made it so that, you know, we could be safe. But I don't know if I agree with the point that they won't do it because they're afraid of us retaliating. I don't think they want us to. I'm not convinced of that.

And I think that when you look at the broader trend of the Middle East over the past 25 years, you know, Iran may judge in terms of centuries not. not years or decades. But right now, they're pretty isolated. I mean, today, Israel has more friends in the Middle East than they ever have before. They're working with the Saudis. You know, there's a vision. There's this possible vision of, like, what this could look like that I don't think

existed. Maybe it did exist, but Bill Clinton couldn't get it over the finish line in 1998 or whenever it was when he says we tried to give them everything and they said no. Right. All right, good stuff. You can make sure you check out Rich at the Rechn. Rich Ziole podcast. He's also on X at Rich Ziole, Z-O-L-I. And check him out at Fox News Digital. David Marcus, he's also the author of Shared, The COVID Lies, that Crushed a Nation.

Always a good conversation with you, fellas. Thank you for being new here. Thanks. Thanks, Matt. All right, fellas. We'll see you next time. We hope you will see you as well. Follow some Spotify or Apple. Listen to ad free with a Fox News Podcast Plus subscription on Apple Podcast, and Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free, on the Amazon Music app.