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Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Story #1: Taking power into your own hands. We talk about power in politics, but on the individual level, it has led to the resurgence of stoicism. Will speaks to the host of The Daily Stoic podcast and the author of the new book Right Thing, Right Now: Good Values. Good Character. Good Deeds, Ryan Holiday. Story #2: The Summer of Soccer: Euro 2024 and Copa America with FOX Sports Soccer Analysts Alexi Lalas and Stu Holden. Story #3: Former President Trump has sent vetting paperwork to 8 potential Vice-Presidential candidates. He gave Will criteria for selecting a Vice President over the weekend. Who does Will think fits the criteria the best?   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The right thing, right now. Good values, good character, good deeds, a new book by best-selling author, Ryan Holiday. Two. The Summer of Soccer. Hear me out. Euro 20204 and Copa America, where the globe faces off on the pitch. You know, I'm a soccer guy, so let me sell you on your summer of soccer with Fox Sports Alexi Lollis and Stu Holden. Three, Trump's shortlists leaked for vice president.

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of the will cane show let me sell you a little bit later today on soccer well will communist sport No one care. Yeah, I know. I know. I've heard it all. And I care. Yeah, it's in part because my boys play soccer. And right when I'm done with this show today, this evening, I'll be going downtown Dallas to watch a futsal practice, you know, five-on-five soccer on a hard court. It's a huge part of my life. I mean, multiple days a week. But the love of my sons has translated into a love of soccer. And that is in part tied to my love of history. It is the 80th anniversary of D-Day today. Go back and listen to yesterday's episode, if you will, of the Will Kane Show, where I talked about my trip just last week to Normandy, where we visited Omaha Beach, Point the Hawk, and the American Cemetery with my boys. But to me, and I mean this in all sincerity, it's not that inseparable for how I became a fan of soccer. I want to know about the history of these countries, these clubs, many of them actually political ties to parties, certainly ties to local cultures and cities.

And then at the nation state level, the long battle, a century's worth, of Spain versus Germany, of England versus France. And then over here, Argentina versus Brazil and the United States versus Mexico. I've just loved learning the history and the war games of soccer. And this summer, you will have two of the globe's biggest terms. tournaments, just shy of the World Cup, in Copa America, which squares off to South America, North America, Central America, in a championship for the Western Hemisphere. And you have Euro 2024, all of which will be broadcast on Fox. So Alexie Lawless and Stu Holden will be joining us a little bit later in the show to break down these stories. Messi, Rinaldo, England, will they ever break through?

And, of course, the United States of America. But we will also be breaking down President Trump's finalist list. In fact, I'll rank them. I'm going to take his answer to us in our exclusive energy this past weekend on what he's looking for in a vice president and apply it now to the short list. See who actually satisfies it. Is it Tim Skies and Marco Rubio? Is it J.D. Vance? Is it Doug Bergam?

We'll go through that. But first, it's always appealed to me this idea of stoicism. No matter what is thrown at you, you react as a man, a virtuous man. You react according to principles and virtue. and you aren't an emotional being listing on the waters of your current passion. I find it powerful. I find it empowering. And it's a philosophy that has been around not for century, but millennia.

It's finding new popularity, most notably perhaps in an author named Ryan Holiday, where he's written several best-selling books on stoicism. He's got an extremely popular show and series on YouTube. We're talking 3 million books sold. We're talking millions of subscribers. And we're talking about a new interest, I think, among young people in understanding the power of stoicism. So I'm happy today now to start that with story number one. He is the author of a new book, Right Thing Right Now, Good Values, Good Character, Good Deeds.

He is a New York Times bestselling author. And he is Ryan Holiday here on The Will Cane Show. What's up, Ryan? Not much. Thanks for having me. I'm glad to have you. I'm glad to have a fellow Texan. I think you might be a Texan by choice. That's fine. So is Davey Crockett. But you got here as fast as you could. Yeah, fellow Texan. And, you know, I would never be so bold as to proclaim myself a stoic. But, you know, Ryan, I've been fascinated by this for a while now into my adult life. And I think that my first fascination actually came through the form of fiction. It was a Tom Wolfe book, a man in full. and one of his main characters was a Stoic who was in prison, and it was something attractive about that character and the way he approached adversity and challenge in life

that I began to get a little more interested. But I think we need to start with this. We need to not take for granted that anybody actually knows what Stoicism is, even though it's been around for thousands and thousands of years. So can you start with that? Like, what is Stoicism? Yeah, I think people know the word Stoic, which they think means emotionlessness,

or robotic or invulnerable. And maybe they don't even know there's this whole ancient philosophy built around that idea. Stoa means porch in ancient Greek. It's originated on a porch in the Athenian agora by this guy named Zeno in the 4th century BC.

But it becomes a philosophy, not in the academic sense, but in the practical sense. So the Stoic philosophers were people who did things in the real world. You have a slave like Epictetus is a Stoic philosopher. Then you have Marcus Aurelius,

who's the emperor of Rome, the most powerful man in the world. And they're all practicing this philosophy built around this idea that we don't control what happens, but we control how we respond to what happens, and that everything we face in life is this opportunity to practice virtue, which for them was courage and self-discipline and justice and wisdom. So four main virtues. You lay that out, by the way, the introduction to your new book, Right Thing Right Now. Let's go over those one more time.

What are the four virtues of Stoicism? Yeah, Stoicism and Christianity have the same cardinal virtues. Cardinal, as C.S. Lewis explains, doesn't have any religious connotation. It means it comes from the Latin Cardos or hinge. But the hinge virtues of Stoicism as well as Christianity are courage, self-discipline, or temperance, justice, and wisdom. Yeah, and the new book that you've written now is focusing on the concept of justice. But before we kind of go into this and we talk about the role specifically of justice as a virtue, I want to try to understand you.

Like, what brought you to stoicism? It's popular now, and you've helped make it popular. But, I mean, I think you're in your 30s. I'm in my 40s. We all, as you pointed out, know the word stoic as sort of a, adjective. But, but, and we perhaps learn in school a little bit in philosophy 101 about Stoicism as well.

But I don't think it had ever arrived at a, you know, a greatest hits or a popular movement. But, but it is a little, it is really gaining popularity now. Probably not when you picked it up. So how did you get to Stoicism? Yeah, I, I was introduced to it while I was in college. I wasn't studying it in school. just recommended this book. They said, hey, you should read this book. And I read Marcus Aurelius's meditations, the private thoughts of the most powerful man in the world. And what so struck me

about that book was here was philosophy as a way of life. Here was philosophy that someone was applying to their job as opposed to philosophy as a job in the way that a university professor would be a philosopher. And so this idea of philosophy being something very practical, being something very applicable was very exciting to me. And then also the idea that it's, it's this thousand-year tradition. I mean, one of the, one of the first things Marks Reuss does in meditations is he thanks his philosophy teacher for lending him the works of Epictetus, the philosopher that changed his life. And so this idea that for thousands of years, people have been saying, hey, you should read this. It works. This will help you with the

problem that you're facing. This will help you with the grief that you're trying to get over. This will help you make sense of a world that's chaotic and overwhelming. That's what's been happening for a very long time. And it's kind of mind-blowing to think, you know, stoicism was ancient philosophy to Marcus Aurelius, too. It had been around for hundreds of years. It was as distant to him as Shakespeare is to us. So it's a very long tradition of practical, resilient people who are trying to make their way in the world, turning to these ideas and then adding putting their own spin on them in each generation. And I feel like that's, even this conversation we're having now is just a continuation of

what they call the great conversation. We're doing what people have been doing with the classical thinkers for as long as they've existed. I think, and the key word you use there is practicality. I think that's what appealed to me as well. It's also virtue. And I want to come back to this idea of virtue and dive into justice. We will.

But practicality is key to this because philosophy for so many can feel so abstract. in an act of navel gazing. But there was something inherently practical about stoicism and how you could actually make your life better starting every morning and how you approach everything. And I think because of that, it's a little bit like the ancient self-help guide. You know, like everything is built upon that going forward.

But you bring up that the four virtues are the same, not just of Christianity, but most Western religion. Abrahamic religions. And so I think that for some people, like Buddhism, and I know you're a fan, I think, of Buddhism, there is a commonality to all of these religions, but help me reconcile this. I think for some, they see a competition as well between some of these philosophies and their other North Star, which is their religious belief, probably for most listening, not all, but probably for most listening, that would be Christian.

Christianity. Yeah, look, certainly in the ancient world, they saw some competition between these two things. There was persecution going in both directions. But, you know, St. Paul studies Stoicism. There are interactions between the Stoics and the Christians. There's even a series that they believe that the letters are fake now. But there was, in the ancient world, an attempt to link the Stoics and the Christians between a series of letters between Seneca and, um, and St. Peter, Seneca's brother is actually in the Bible. Gallo is in the Bible. His brother changes his name when he's adopted. But the idea of stoicism being incompatible with the religion, I don't think is true at all. To me, they can either compliment each other or you can choose whichever one you want. The idea is how do you live in such a way that you are fulfilling your potential as a human being and fulfilling your obligations to your fellow human beings? I think of stoicism, one of the definitions Marcus Reelis gives us, he says, the fruit of this life is good character and acts for the common good.

That was his definition of a stoic. I don't think that's a bad definition of a Christian either. No, and I think not just fulfilling a good life for yourself and for your neighbor, but mostly compatible as well with fulfilling a good life for God. I mean, it is interesting that all of these virtues, it says something, about humanity, and it perhaps says something about ultimate truth, that these virtues are present, whether or not it's Stoicism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Judaism, or Christianity. Yeah, we noticed this in evolution. There are different animals spread out all over the

world that don't really share a common ancestor that can do the same thing. Birds and bats can both fly, right? Different animals have opposable thumbs. They evolved differently to solve some fundamental problem of reality. And I think this is true of the philosophical traditions. So in the Eastern world, in the Western world, they're still dealing with the fact that most of what happens is outside of our control. They're still struggling with the fact that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. And so as they're dealing with the fact that we're all mortal and will die, the fact that people can be frustrating and annoying, the fact that we have conflicting desires. We have a short way of thinking short term and long term. The idea I think

philosophically is that they're all trying to solve for some of the fundamental problems as well as opportunities of the human condition. And they come ultimately to very similar ideas. And to me, that that lends credence to them, certainly. Let's go back to you for a minute. So I want to talk to you about your rise to stardom here. So you discover Stoicism as a college student. But you know, you did a lot of different things in life. You wrote actually a lot of different kinds of books. You worked in marketing. You talked about media. And then you, it seems to me, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, your big breakthrough is the obstacle is the way. It's your first book on stoicism. And it's been a book that, I mean, just to help the audience understand, I mean, numerous professional

athletes have pointed to as important in their personal development, the New England Patriots. Ryan Chazier, who was paralyzed, the Pittsburgh Steeler linebacker, Roy McElroy, one of the greatest golfers in the world today, have all pointed to The Obstacle is the Way. So how did this happen for you? Like, you look up now, and you're a multiple-time New York Times bestseller, and you're also huge on social media and YouTube. Like, it got to be a little surprised that your devotion to Stoicism turned into stardom. A little surprised is an understatement.

And when I went to my publisher in 2012, and I said, hey, I know I've just done these marketing books, but for my next project, I want to write about an obscure school of ancient philosophy. They were not excited. And although I was really passionate about it, I thought it was important, the idea that it would make its way into professional sports and politics and, you know, the armed forces, that world leaders would read it. This was an absurd pipe dream. It wasn't what I was thinking about at all. I just knew that these ideas had worked for me. and they'd worked historically, and I wanted to bring them into a new context and make them

more accessible. Stoicism has lasted for 20 plus centuries for a good reason, and it is understandable. It's easy to communicate. We just have some new tools that, you know, the ancient Stoics wouldn't have had access to, even a podcast like this or watching on YouTube or social media. These are these are new ways of getting the ideas out. And I feel lucky to have been able to sort of talk to a large audience through them. But ultimately, I understand this is the ideas and not me that's doing the lifting here. Well, you also met a moment and you met a demand. You met a need. And this isn't going to be so much of a question, but I'm just going to like give you a few thoughts of mine as to what might have happened. I'm curious what you'll agree with or disagree with. But

you know every and this is not obviously an endorsement this is a for better or worse situation every public polling shows that religion has been on the decline in america for quite some time now decades um i do believe ryan that we are inherently religious creatures what i mean by that is we need to find something to place some place to place our faith and if we take faith out of our sense of purpose and our reason for being, we don't just exercise it away from our lives. It's like a balloon that you squeeze and we find new places to apply it. And I think for many that has become politics.

It's become an article of faith, politics. I think COVID became a real example of people sort of repeating mantras as follow the science and almost a religious fervor. I think a lot of things have shown that we are, we will apply faith. We'll find a place. and if we strip religion out of it, we'll find other places to give our devotion. And maybe Stoicism as a movement is benefiting from that, as people looking for other places to find those virtues.

Also, I would add to this, Ryan, we're at a moment in time where people feel a bit powerless, you know, and I think COVID again was a real inflection point on that, where it's like, oh my gosh, I don't have control over so many things in my life, and I can feel the control being stripped away. And Stoicism is an answer to that, as you pointed out earlier. It's like you can't control what happens to you, but you can control how you react. And for me, that all created an environment ripe for Ryan Holiday and Stoicism. I think that's the environment that people have always turned to Stoicism.

You know, Marcus Aurelius is writing during the decline in fall of the Roman Empire. He didn't fully understand this, that he was the last of what they called the five good emperors. But he would have felt the empire slipping a little bit. He would have felt the old ways collapsing a bit. it. The founders turned to Stoicism. At the darkest days of Valley Forge, George Washington puts on a play about Cato called Cato. The Stoicism has always been something we've turned to, but I do think you're right. As people have turned away from the church, and also as institutions and cultural ideas have fallen away as our trust in these things,

have fallen away. We still have the same fundamental questions of like, why am I here? What is a good person do and not do? How do I find meaning? How do I find purpose? How do I deal with this grief or pain or fear or frustration or ambition that I have? Where do I direct this? And the truth is that philosophers have been answering this question or attempting to answer this question for as long as, you know, priests have been trying to help people answer these questions. And again, I don't see them in conflict with each other. There is just a moment that we're in where maybe people used to, would have gotten these ideas from their grandparents or from a pastor or from a school principal. And we don't really see that as the job of those

people anymore. And so we're turning to some ancient texts to help us, again, as we always have. well and this is the last point on that i also the the personal appeal for me is that it is empowering um i i know this about myself like one of the worst feelings in the world this doesn't make me unique but you know with age comes wisdom and self-diagnosis one of the most frustrating things for me in life is a lack of control professionally career wise in any aspect of my life is a lack of control And this idea, how I react is within my control, is incredibly empowering. It also is about self-focused. I was watching the horrific television show for what it's worth.

I do not recommend it called Eric on Netflix. But there's several times where they quote Tolstoy. And he says, you know, everybody wants to change the world, but they never talk about changing themselves. And you have control over yourself, ultimately. And I find that empowering. And now you've written about these virtues. And I believe right thing right now would be essentially the third installment in focusing on these virtues where you've talked about courage. You've talked about temperance, which we could also call that discipline.

And now you're talking about justice in right thing right now. This is the hardest one, by the way, to say, I have some control over justice. Yeah, we all despair at what's happening in the world, regardless of where you sit politically. I don't think anyone's saying, hey, it's going great. right now. And this has always been true, right? And so what the Stoic definition of justice, I think it begins at home, right? It begins at home. It begins at taking responsibility for yourself. It begins in deciding, hey, I'm going to get involved. The distinction for the Stoics between Stoicism and Epicureanism, that's another word people might have heard, but sometimes

have a stereotype of, Seneca said, Seneca, one of the great Stokes, he said, look, an Epicurean will only get involved in politics or public life if they have to. And he says a stoic gets involved unless something prevents them. And so the idea was, hey, somebody has to do these jobs. Somebody has to make these decisions. Who should it be, if not the sort of the wise and virtuous person? So stoicism is, it's interesting. It's this philosophy that says, hey, you don't control what's happening in the world, focus on yourself. But it also says, hey, now that I've sort of limited my, my my understanding of my of my of my influence i still do want to make a difference where i can make a difference and that's a that's a paradoxical thing for a lot of people but i think it's really important

you know um staying how do you how do you apply justice individually though because we think of justice as the legal system or maybe we think it in hereafter but how how is justice a personal virtue. Well, I think it starts with character. The Stoics and character is fate, right? So what are the, what are the standards that you hold yourself to? I think this is something people miss a lot about the American system, right? This is a country based on personal freedom and liberty. But the founders were very clear that just because something wasn't articulated in the constitution or in a law passed by Congress, the Senate, or your state didn't mean you should do it. They didn't. They You know, the whole idea was that there was a system based on personal virtue.

There would be a lot of freedom and a lot of latitude, but ultimately one had to take responsibility for their own decisions, their own moral character, and that a democracy could not survive without a citizenry that was steeped in the classical virtues and held themselves to a high standard of personal conduct. so we may here in the next 10 minutes together explore modern day politics to some degree i think you and i disagree on on modern day politics and that's perfectly fine with me in fact it's not more than fine it's something that i look forward to but um help me reconcile this one of the things that i feel like i have and you heard me just use that word by the way feel like you know there was a time in my life when i stopped saying that right i did i said i said I think, I think, because I didn't want to lean into what I feel. And this was probably, I did a podcast yesterday with Tim Green.

He's a former NFL player. He has ALS now. He's an incredible inspiration. But I think as I've gotten older, Ryan, with humility, and I think maybe some increase in wisdom, I understand we're not just logical beings. We're not just rational robots, as you mentioned earlier. that being emotional is key to being human. In fact, it could be the differentiating factor in what makes us human.

And passion and emotion are such a big part of who we are, and we shouldn't run from it. How do you, like you said earlier, you said stoicism is not roboticism, but it does seem to be removed from emotionalism and passion and feeling. Yeah, I think it's wrong to say that the Stoics were emotionless, but they did try to be less emotional, right? But that is very different than not having the emotion. So when I feel anger at something, or I feel envy, or I feel fear, or I feel sadness, these are legitimate emotions. But I have to ask myself, is the action I'm about to take? Is it going to age well when that emotion subsides?

So to me, that's really the process of stoicism. You know, Lincoln was famous. We have a bunch of letters that Lincoln wrote, but never sent. He would get very angry. he was often frustrated with his generals, with other politicians, and he would write the letters and then put them in a desk drawer. There is his so-called hot letters. And to me, that's what stoicism is. It's not being this sort of monkish person who is never provoked, never upset, who doesn't feel anything. That's probably someone who doesn't care enough. But you have to have

this other side of you that goes, hey, is me venting into this email? Is me calling up and yelling at this person is me sending this tweet in, you know, in a rage, is that going to serve me well in the long term? And one of the things that Marcus Aurelius talks about in the beginning of meditations, which I think captures what we're talking about here well, he says he learned from one of his favorite teachers to be free of the passions, but full of love. And so if there is an emotion to feel, empathy, understanding, compassion, care, this is a positive emotion. And then there's some emotions that are not particularly constructive at all. This doesn't mean you stuff them down and suppress them, but you go, hey, is acting out of ego here or jealousy here? Is this who I want to

be as a person? And the answer is usually no. So I think that's a great explanation of the role of emotion. And it, and it sort of fits with what I've preached to my sons about one particular emotion, which is fear. And I think it's apropos as we speak today on the 80th anniversary of D-Day. It would be ridiculous to presume that those men didn't feel fear. It's what they did in spite of that fear. You know, I, from a very young age, I put my kids on skateboards, Ryan, and I want them to learn how to skateboard, not because I think it's the coolest sport in the world, but dropping in was one of the scariest things I could ever imagine into a concrete pool. And so it's a weird thing to do to drop in on a skateboard because fear is what

will hurt you. If you conquer the fear, the actual form of, and then, necessity to commit is what saves you. But I would say to them, it doesn't matter what you feel. I mean, feel it. Don't feel shame for that fear. It's what you do with that fear and how you react to that fear. Yeah, and look, if there is no fear, then there's no courage. The whole point is that courage is the triumph over that fear. If it wasn't scary, if you were convinced you were invincible or you were delusional and, you know, not aware of the danger, then you're not acting with the with the virtue of courage courage is feeling the fear being afraid and doing it anyway so let's explore politics for just one moment um great and i don't i don't have a question

or debate to be how with you but it just occurred to me as you as you were talking okay even his biggest supporters very few of donald trump's fans would even say hey great example of a stoic um he's present i think he's ever present but he's also present meaning whatever he's feeling, whatever he's thinking, is what you get. And maybe there's a level of authenticity to that. Maybe even when he's not honest, there's a level of authenticity to that. But it occurred to me, I had the opportunity, Ryan, this past weekend, to interview him. And this was 48 hours after he was convicted in New York.

And clearly, when you fire off an angry tweet or truth social post, you are leaning into the emotion of the moment, right? In which we see on a regular basis with Donald Trump. but can I be honest with you like here we were 48 hours after conviction New York I had an hour and a half with him and I kept searching right I'm like what is the adjective I'm looking for is he peaceful about this he's not angry he doesn't seem to be vengeful he seems to be complacent wouldn't be the word either he just this it is what it is at one point he said yeah one of my surrogates was saying oh they'd be ridiculous to send me to jail and he said stop stop don't say that don't beg and maybe as I'm listening to you I'm like is he stoic about this entire situation right now? And I wonder if he's almost, you know, maybe he's not reverse engineered, but immediately and obviously emotional. And then moves beyond to some kind of level of stoicism. And I know you're not a fan of Donald Trump.

And maybe even for these reasons through your analysis of stoicism, or maybe through policy or politics, or I don't know what the reason. But I did have that thought while you were talking about stoicism. Yeah, look, there's there's a big difference between what we might call lowercase stoicism and uppercase stoicism. So that stiff upper lip, that ability to move on, you know, when Bill Belichick would say on to Cincinnati or whatever, there's an element of stoicism in that for sure. And I think any great performer and politician has to have that because it's always on to the next thing. You can't take stuff too personally. You've got to face the net.

You've got to be cool and collected under pressure when you're when you're performing. So there's some of that. I think what can be missed when we look at stoicism is people want to take just the elements that might make us a bit more successful at what we do. But I think what I've been trying to do in this virtue series is remind people, and myself included, because I was a young man who was just attracted to how stoicism could make me more, make me more resilient. And I want to focus on how I can use this to be a better person, a better human being. I think that's the important thing. All right. Last couple of questions. Do you see any particular politician, American politician, in your mind that embodies the virtues of stoicism?

Yeah, look, he's not a politician, but I think General James Mattis is one of my heroes. And Secretary of Defense under Trump in 2016, he's a president. He's someone who would carry Marcus Aurelius with him on his deployments. He spends 40 years sort of observing and talking about this text. So I think there are modern Stoics, certainly Admiral Stockdale. You're talking about a man in full. Admiral Stockdale is introduced to Epictetus and sort of uses Epictetus in the Hanway Hilton as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. So there's been some modern Stoics to be sure.

The greatest Stoics, the simplest Stoics to talk about, of course, are the ones who are no longer with them. Yes. But and yet, I actually think this is one thing you're doing, by the way. This is a big part of your virtue is it can't be trapped in marble and stone. It can't be something that is resigned to the ages because for better or worse, you know, the name Marcus Aurelius ceases to have the impact it might have had thousands of years ago. So modern day examples of application, I think become very valuable, right? And so one more on that, like you brought up Belichick. Let's go outside the world of politics. You used military. That's fine. But what about in sports? I mean, sports, you know, I don't know if you know. I'm a huge sports fan, and it's just such a great metaphor for life and everything. And it should be a great example or a great environment, fertile field to find great examples of stoicism. Yeah, look, the ancient stoics were fond of sports metaphors too. Epictetus said that we're like a ball thrower. You know, life throws the ball at us. We have to catch it and throw it back. It

doesn't matter if it's a good throw, a bad throw, a fair throw, an unfair throw, if we like the person who threw it at us or not. We just have to catch it and throw it back. And so, yeah, I think sports are a great way to find examples in a moment of a specific attribute of stoicism. And I try to do that in my books. I tell the story in the new book about Frank Robinson. You know, he hits what he thinks is going to be a home run. It comes up short. It bounces off the back wall. And because he didn't run out the ball, you know, he ends up having to settle for a single instead of a double or a triple. And after the game, he walks into the manager's office and he throws down like a $200 fine. Now, the team had won in a landslide and he's a multi-time MVP.

Nobody cared. But he said, I'm fining myself. He's like, I didn't do my best. And so when we have moments like that, we go, oh, okay, this is what I want to apply in my day-to-day life. how do I hold myself accountable? How am I responsible? And I think that's ultimately what stoicism is about. So I love just little examples that bring these timeless ideas into the present moment. Well, he's focused on justice. The third installment of a series that focuses on the four virtues of stoicism. He's written about courage, the obstacle is the way. He's written about

discipline. He's not writing about justice. And the title of the book is Right Thing Right Now, Good values, good character, good deeds. You should go pick it up. I endorse what Ryan's putting out there. I think this is a great philosophy of virtue. And it's not only not a problem. I think it's a benefit. It's a feature, not a bug, that we don't agree on everything. And I'm a fan, man. I'm a fan of what you're doing. And I think everybody should check out Right Thing right now. Appreciate you, Ryan. It's appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Thanks for being on the Will Kane Show.

There he goes. Ryan Holiday. You can check him out. He's all over the place, Instagram, YouTube, and he's on the bestseller list. He's in bookstores. Right thing right now. Good values, good character, good deeds. He's the number one Times, number one, New York Times, bestselling author, Ryan Holiday. All right, Summer of Soccer. Trust me. Summer of Soccer. It's going to be amazing. And to help set it up, Fox Sports Alexie Lawless and Stu Holden next on the Will Cain Show. Following Fox's initial donation to the Kerr County Flood Relief Fund, our generous viewers have answered the call to action across all Fox platforms and have helped raise $7 million. Visit go.fox forward slash TX flood relief to support relief and rebuilding efforts.

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at times talking about sports. You tolerate my homerazism for Dallas. But your tolerance runs short when I start talking about my passion for soccer. But stick with me because it is the globe's most popular sport. And if you get the history and you get the countries and you get the players, you get a hell of an entertainment and it's going to be a hell of a summer on Fox. You got Euro 2024 and Copa America 2024 this summer all throughout the month of June. July. And to help us get ready for it, we have got Fox Sports Alexie Lawless, studio analyst

and Stu Holden, lead match analyst for Copa America and UEFA Euros 2024. What's up, guys? Hey, my friend, how we doing, okay? You look great. Your hair looks awesome. You know? That was a wonderful tease and setup, by the way. I really, I really enjoyed that. I mean, we are neither, you know, virtuous, like your last guest, or, you know, stoic by any stretch to the imagination, but we are jacked up for this summer of soccer. It's going to be awesome. I mean, I'm trying to. Look, Stu comes in and pink, pink suit. Everywhere we go in New York. It's more salmon, you know. It is everywhere. Oh, I love your suit. Stu, you're already pitching soccer. You're already pitching soccer. Can you butch it up a little bit for my

audience on Fox? And then I come in in a ridiculous suit. I mean, we're really off to a bad start here. We've got to start talking messy sooner. We're going to lose everybody. Alexi knows this. I am personally a huge fan of soccer. My boys are all in on soccer. They play club soccer at fairly high levels. One of them plays futsal. I'll be at futsal practice tonight. And it's made me a fan of not just the international game, but the club game as well. I watch. So I'm no hard sell. But my audience is a hard sell. And I've pitched them on history. I've pitched them on stars and players. But what we need to help the audience understand first is what's about to take place on Fox, right? America and Euro 2024. I would say, and you guys tell me if you think I'm wrong, second biggest in terms of tiered events to the World Cup. You're talking about you're going to crown a champion of Europe, so it's Germany, Spain, France, England, and you're going to crown a champion of the Western Hemisphere, Argentina, Brazil, maybe USA. And so that's what we're about to happen, what you guys are about to be a part of right now on Fox.

Lex, go hard sell. Go hard sell. All right, listen. I know that there are people that are watching and listening out there. that don't give a rats, you know what, when it comes to soccer. However, when it comes to, let's take, for example, the Copa America that you mentioned that is happening here in the United States. All right, if you just need one reason, your U.S. team is playing. And I look at this U.S. team in terms of its evolution. This is a team that can win that tournament.

All right? You need another reason? You like big stars? Messy. Messy in Argentina. By the way, in his new backyard and his new neighborhood. You want to go across the pond? over there in Germany, where the other tournament is happening.

Again, from morning to night on Fox, you can see these games and these tournaments. All right, you got Killian Mbapé from France. Wonderful. There you got. Oh, Cristiano Rinaldo. You like those abs when it comes to the washboard. You got Cristiano Rinaldo. Maybe his last dance when it comes to Portugal out there. So there is something for absolutely everybody.

Whether you are a die-hard soccer fan or whether you're just coming to the game, this is a tent that is wide open. And the last thing in the world that we want to do is to be exclusionary. We want to be welcoming. We want to bring you in with open arms. It is warm. It is fun. It is a party on and off the field.

And I guarantee you, if you just step foot in it, you're going to want to stay. The people that you meet, the atmosphere and the culture. And by the way, don't let anybody tell you out there that America isn't a soccer culture. Don't let anybody tell you that America doesn't have a passionate soccer culture. Don't let anybody tell you that America does not have soccer history. It is different. It is unique. We lean into the Americanness, for lack of a better word, both on and off the field. That is what is going to make us great as a country, and that is what is going to make us great as a soccer team.

Man, Will, that was the hard sell, by the way. Yeah, that was the hard sell. He almost lost me at Washboard Abs, but he brought it right back to America. That was strong. Well, I'll direct this one to you, Stu. So I will say in Alexi, I totally agree, soccer culture is on the rise in America, certainly from a participatory angle, but also watching as well. Messies made a huge difference for the MLS. I did go to USA versus Mexico at AT&T in Dallas a few months ago, and those Mexican fans, let me tell you something.

They show up early and they stay late. You know, we were going to leave. Like, you never know how much time was put on the clock in soccer, but we're like, you know, we're approaching 90. Should we beat the crowds? And we stayed to the very end, and there was no race to the exit. Like the Mexican fans, they weren't leaving the stadium. And then they had no interest of getting out of the parking lot. They were there to party.

And so it was clear traffic to leave the game right after at AT&T. Stu, do you agree with Alexi? This is fascinating that he said that to me. Do you us have a real chance? I mean, we're talking about Brazil. We're talking about Colombia. We're talking about Argentina. Do you us have a real chance in this tournament?

Yeah. So I'm going to first go back to your game in Dallas there, which is actually the site that the United States are going to kick off their Copa America campaign against Bolivia and AT&T Stadium. So I'll see you there if you're going to go to the game. The other part, the Mexican fans didn't leave because they were still waiting for their team to turn up because we kicked their butt in that game. And we've been kicking their butt pretty consistently here. And that brings me into the point now, do the U.S. have a chance? Look, I get asked this question a lot right now.

This is one of the most exciting generations of players that we have seen. But yet, they haven't accomplished anything that the previous generations, including Grandpa Lalas over here and my team back in 2010 that we did in a World Cup and in Copa Americas. Look, we've been to a semi-final in the Copa America a couple of times before. So there's no reason that we should say, hey, you know what? We're just kind of happy to be the hosts and like, let's see what this team can do. Like, we need a marquee win to kind of solidify and put our stamp on the fact that this generation can not just do something this summer, but that they can do it in 26.

Now, I think we have a good starting 11, and you think about Christian Polisic, one of the big stars, Weston McKinney, Tyler Adams. Like, these are guys playing at big teams in Europe now and playing against real competition. So, like, we've elevated our team's potential. We've elevated the talent. But I'm still waiting to see if we can actually do it. That means we have to beat probably Columbia or Brazil in a quarterfinal, then again in a semi-final, one of those two teams. And then you've got to beat Argentina in a final, which is no small feat. But I have a confidence that this team can.

step on a team on the field now with some of these nations and actually win games, but they haven't done it yet. Now, that's what I want to see if we can do, and I think we can. So, Stu, you point out the quarterfinals become the threshold there. And there's no doubt that the U.S. has taken a step up. We've gone a level up, and our domination of Mexico is a great illustration of that. But it does still feel, despite what you said, and I want to say these names for the audience, because if we have managed to sell you on this. And this is no corporate duty of mine. This is a personal passion. Guys like Weston McKinney and Christian Polisich are not just playing in the biggest leagues.

They're playing well. And that's important because there was another stage where they were just on the rosters, not those particular guys, but a lot of Americans, just on the rosters in the biggest league. But now we're talking about scoring goals. McKinney, maybe one of the best midfielders in Italy. So we're talking about there is a lot they've stepped up on the level. But it feels Alexi like, yeah, but there's another level still that we seem far away. from. And that is Argentina. That is Brazil. And I don't know who we'd meet in the quarterfinals, but if that's what our, if that's Stu's judgment and we meet one of those teams, that would be a huge moment to beat one of those countries. Yeah, but I'm sick of making excuses and I'm

sick of whining. And when it comes to this U.S. team, they have been given everything. By the way, from a very young age. And this is not begrudging by any stretch of the imagination. I think that they are worth it given their ability and their and their talent. and the depth that we now have. But with that comes higher expectations. And so I think it is fair for us to expect to see this team do things that have not been done in the past, especially as it relates to 2026. Because, well, at the end of day, this is about winning a men's world cup.

Well, the only way you're going to win the men's world is by beating the elites of the world and putting yourself in that position. And too often, when the big games have come up against the elites and teams that are better than us, we have not been able to step up and have those types of seminal moments. And that goes a long way to bringing people into the tent. I got a question for you, Will, because you have come to this game, obviously, through your kids. And I love that you have a passion for it now. I was listening to our friend and colleague Colin Coward, and he talked about soccer,

and in particular soccer, especially in the context of the WMBA and Caitlin Clark, as being very gatekeeping and elitist and snobby. Is that something that you have found? because that would anger me and that would sadden me. But I know that it is a criticism that has been leveled against soccer people out there. Because, again, we're trying to get people that are listening and watching here to tune into the game and obviously through these tournaments. You're talking about from a fan perspective? Yeah, from a fan perspective.

Like soccer fans are snobs? Yeah. Yeah. I've told you this, Alexia. I'll tell the audience, this is not to answer your question directly, but for us to have a conversation. The reason I got into soccer was I lived in New York, and my sons went to a charter school. And the charter school was, if I'm going to get this right, I'm going to say 75% black and brown, 90% free and reduced lunch. Great education.

And the theory, it was this Croatian guy who came in and he created the soccer program. It's called Success Academy in New York, the school. And he's like, you know, soccer is gatekeeping in terms of participation in the U.S. That you got to pay, and I do this now because I live in Dallas and my boys play in the FC Dallas system. I pay $3,000 a year, you know, to get elite training on high. teams. We all know the level of racket that it can become. But it's a gatekeeping mechanism that keeps a lot of great athletes from accessing the sport. So the theory was we're going to put it into this charter school and we're going to open it up to people that

wouldn't normally get there. And by way, it's produced some great players. One of my 16-year-old's good friends is now a Red Bulls Academy. And so it is working in some way. So that's on the participation level. On the fan level, I do think Colin is right, Alexi. I don't think soccer's unique. It's a matter of who do we rank? And, like, where does soccer rank? Because baseball nuts are snobs and keep out anybody that is not, like, they are. The only sport that is really pretty egalitarian is football.

Basketball is the dumbest because they have their snobs. And the truth is, their snobs don't even watch the game. They just watch Instagram highlights. But soccer does have this thing where, you know, I don't feel the need to explain myself, but I'm a Manchester City fan. Like, if I ever tweet that, what do you think I'm inundated with? You know, I'm inundated with a lot of insults. What do you know?

Glory Hunter, American, whatever. But that's tribal. That's not trying to make you feel lesser than something, though. That's a tribal type of thing as opposed to a snobby, elitist type of way of you're not using the right vernacular or you're not talking about it in a way that makes you a soccer person. But we've talked about this in the analogy of, and I used this with Colin once, was it's like the indie rock band person that went to the con. concert first and saw the band before they blew up. And then the band goes mainstream. And everybody is like talking about their new songs. You didn't know them how we know them. We saw them before

it was cool. You guys are on the bandwagon late. You're pronouncing name wrong. You don't know this song. Like that's how we are about our sport. And I hate it. I hate it. It's like one guy comes on and you're talking right now to your audience. And I'm sure, hopefully they've stuck around for this. But look, we also are aware, Will, that like people come into our sport every four years for the World Cup. And the Euros and the Copa, they feel like many World Cups because it's the biggest and the best. It's flag and country. It's something we preach big here at Fox Sports is that when you watch this game, you know it's the best of the best. You're not watching an inferior product to anything. And that's the moments that I hope we bring people

into our tent. Great analogy. And we don't scream and yell about like, oh, you don't know Ronaldo when he played for sporting Lisbon in Portugal. You moron? Right. No, it's a great analogy, Stu. And by the way, I hate that guy, the garage band guy until they got popped. That's Dan. That's my producer. You can look through the glass. He's that guy. He's knocking on the glass right now. I know. He's like, get out of here, kid. Okay, really quickly, we did Copa America. I do want to just spend a minute on Euro 2024. I mean, if we're being real, my sons, that's the one. They're like, let's create a bracket. They're kind of more into Euro 2024 than they are Copa. So, I mean,

I'm going to ask you two questions, and both are a little insidery, but it will most likely be one of the normal entries, Germany, Spain, France, maybe Italy, but the real wildcard is England, because they can never do it. And by the way, England's who most Americans know, because we watch Premier League primarily. So finally, maybe, for England? Well, you're a Dallas Cowboy fan, or what's your team? Look, when it comes to... Dallas Cowboys.

When it comes to England, all right, England are like the Dallas Cowboys, in that as many people watch to hate and to see them lose as watch to see them win. And they are the most insufferable fan base that is out there. They provide me plenty of content. Having said all of that, they are very, very good. And they talk about it coming home. That's their mantra right now. And potentially...

It's never been home. Exactly. But it could be coming home this summer. And each and every tournament that they go to, they think it's coming home. France, like you mentioned, is going to have a say when it comes to that. Possibly Cristiano Ronaldo's last dance with Portugal. We'll see how that goes. And then the Germans, look, I know they haven't had a great couple of cycles,

but this is a German team that is hosting the tournament. Do not sleep on the Germans over there. But all of that is to say is that if it actually is coming home to England, you think they're insufferable right now? Good God, wait until they would possibly win the Euros. So, I mean, Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden. I mean, I love how former soccer guys are so hard on the U.S. You guys, my buddy, Taylor Twelman, you guys are hard on the U.S. team.

And good for you. Somebody needs to be hard on England. They need some tough love. They get it, but then they give it back. So when I play FIFA, this will be the last thing against my sons. You know who I like to play with? So this is who I'll be watching in addition to the big ones we just mentioned. I root for Belgium.

I probably told Alexi this because I'm a huge Kevin DeBrona fan. But the one I always want to play with on FIFA is Netherlands. I don't know. I just like the way they play. And I feel like I win with the Netherlands on FIFA. And they're pretty good. I mean, they got a shot. Yeah, look, I mean, people forget.

get that the Netherlands almost beat Argentina in the World Cup and ended Messi's perfect storybook ending of winning the World Cup. They beat them on penalties. And that's a Dutch team that smashed our U.S. team, unfortunately, three to one in that round of 16. And they're always in the mix, but they're in a group with my favorite team, which is France. And France, you know, win the World Cup in 18. They lose in the final in 22, and Bappe scored a hat trick. Like, they were in the final of the Euros before. There's a pretty good chance that both those teams come out of their groups. And it actually, I guess, just speaks to the wider

spread, probably why your kids are as excited about the Euros as we are, and that you could go along the line of Portugal, France, Netherlands, Belgium, England, Germany. These are all some of the biggest and best powerhouse soccer nations, and they're all in this tournament that you

could easily mistake for the World Cup, if not for Brazil, Argentina, and those teams that will be in the Copa. So the good thing from our side is two separate tournaments. It's not one in the World Cup, but do we get the best of the best and we'll see what happens because there's always a couple of surprises along the way. Morning till night. You wake up with us. Sunrise is sunset. You have some

breakfast. You have some euros. You go into lunch, dinner, you go into your happy hour and then into the Copa America all through the night. So we'll be giving it to you whether it's on linear or whether it's on digital. Fox, Fox, Fox, Copa's euros. It's going to be a fun summer of soccer and a summer full

of stars. I love that schedule that you just laid out. I love watching the morning. I love having sports in the morning. And as you point out, it's just going to roll one game into another all day long. You can check out both tournaments on Fox Sports. Stu Holden, Alexie Lawless. Awesome to have you guys on.

I'd talk soccer with you all day long if I could. I don't know what happened to my ratings while we were talking, but hopefully it improves your ratings on Fox Sports. All right, guys, we'll see you. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Let's go through the leaked shortlist for Vice President for Donald Trump.

Let's go back to our interview of the weekend. He gave us the criteria. So who fits the bill next on the Will Cain show? You know, if you look at any poll as we approach this 2024 presidential election, if you look at a list of concerns for Americans, number one is almost invariably inflation. And it's really no wonder why. I mean, in the last 18 months alone, the cost of groceries and basic necessities for a family of four has gone up $11,000 a year, as would be the case when you print money like a drunken sailor, as is in any basic economic understanding, supply and demand. You increase the supply of something, you reduce the value of something, and we've increased the supply of money to the extent that your dollar has lost 24% of it.

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I have not. Is that my burner account? Kiddy. He is an Instagram account that I follow, and I find him hilarious. And he dresses like some Southern Redneck from 1983. Fix your hair, James, you're on TV. He wears tight wrangler pants. He's got a tucked-in t-shirt, big belt buckle.

So the reason I bring up Cornbread Cowboys is when I was asked to do the 80s quiz show on Fox Nation, and they said, what are you going to wear? I send them a screenshot of Cornbread Cowboys. So if you want to see me in a mullet, a trucker cap, a Chevrolet T-shirt, and some Wranglers. It's a good look. You need to tune in to Fox Nations. It's a good look. Fox Nation's 80 quiz show.

It's Fox Nation's ultimate 80s quiz show. It's me and a team of Charles Payne and Janice Dean taking on a team of Shannon Bream, Dagan McDowell, and Brian Brinberg. Now here's the real key, and this is what was fun about taping the show. Guess who the host is? Chuck Woolry. The one and only Chuck Woolry. Got to meet Chuck.

Yeah. Chuck's in his 80s. Wow. How's you doing? Sharp. Still going strong. Good. Physically and mentally. Hosting that game show. Chuck also adopted Texan, as it turns out. Who's got more energy? Him or Trump? Donald Trump. I mean, come on. Like, if there's an energy Olympics, Trump wins the energy Olympics. And in fact, last week when P.D.X. That Rachel Campos Duffy and I sat down with Donald Trump, we asked him, hey, what's your criteria for vice president? What are you looking for? And this was his answer. What are you looking for in a vice president? So you always have to say, and I mean it, is if something should happen to the president, you have to get somebody can be a good president. Okay? And I think you have to say that.

Then the second thing, I want somebody that can selfishly help me to get elected. but typically if you look over the years look back a hundred years it's almost never that a vice president helps i mean you're out there all by yourself you really are so i would say somebody that you can get along with somebody that can help you get elected somebody that can be and first is somebody that can be a very good president there you go i just wrote down three different pieces of criteria that he laid out there number one somebody that can be president should something happen. And certainly with Trump at 77 and Biden at 81, that's a real factor. He said number two, somebody who can help me get elected, but then it's interesting that he laid out,

it doesn't historically actually go that way. How many vice presidential candidates have swung the election? He pointed out Lyndon Johnson as an exception perhaps to the rule, but the rule is they don't really have that big of an effect on the election. And the number three was just sort of slipped in there, somebody you can get along with. So if you acknowledge, if he acknowledges, the number two doesn't have much historical weight, somebody that can help you win, you're looking at primarily somebody you can get along with and somebody you can envision as president of the United States. Clearly, that was not a priority for Joe Biden.

In fact, you could argue the opposite. By bolstering himself with someone who you cannot imagine as president, he bought an insurance policy that he shouldn't be replaced. with Kamala Harris. We'll still see how that works out in this election cycle. Well, this is just in, according to the Associated Press, Donald Trump's campaign has begun requesting information from his potential vice presidential candidates,

sending vetting paperwork to a list of top contenders. Here are those contenders who were asked to go through the vetting paperwork. Senator Tim Scott from South Carolina. Congressman Byron Donald's from Florida. Congresswoman Elise Stefonic from New York Dr. Ben Carson Former Governor of North Dakota Doug Bergam

Florida Senator Marco Rubio and Ohio Senator J.D. Vance. Something that occurred to me as I'm listening off that earlier in this show we talked to Ryan Holiday about stoicism and I know that for him

and for many like Donald Trump is the anti-stoic but you know something that occurs to me as well you're his enemy until you're his friend and that seems to me a very I don't know if that's stoic but it's a very anti-emotional response

Marco Rubio was on this little Marco remember that like that was his enemy and now he's his potential running mate and you can find examples of that littered across the board Ron DeSantis now you can find Bill Barr right now speaking pretty positively of Bill Barr where

not that way before you can say oh that's utilitarian all you have to do is like Trump okay fine but you know what it also reveals like an ability to get over a long-term emotional response. You know what I mean? Not grudge-holding now, living in the moment, in the present, as opposed to captured by our emotions of the past. Let's apply these criteria.

Let's apply all three of them. Can you envision them as president? Do they help you in? And do you get along with? Now, for now, I think number three, do you get along with? We have to submit that all seven of these individuals are somebody that he gets along with. Otherwise, they would not be on this list.

So let's start with, do they help you win? And let's go one by one. Tim Scott, South Carolina Senator. Now, I don't think being a senator from South Carolina does much to help Donald Trump win the presidency. But one could argue, does it help continue to increase Trump's appeal to black voters? Or maybe more importantly, even, appeal to the suburban housewife vote. or the educated elite vote that want that type of public virtue signal.

There's a black guy on the team. Does that help you win? I think there's some argument there. Same thing could be made, same argument can be made for Byron Donald's, Congressman from Florida. Elise DeFonick, you could argue, helps with the women vote. Again, she's from New York, so we're not talking about delivering a state in the traditional sense, but helps deliver a constituency if we're going to play the identity politics. game of

electoral politics. Ben Carson also black could play into the same analysis. Marco Rubio is from Florida. Donald Trump and by the way so is Byron Donald. Donald Trump listed is from Florida

right now. You have to change to New York because I don't think you can have them both on the same is that just for the primary? I'm not sure on that. If they can both be listed from the same state for the election. But Florida used to be a swing state. Not so much anymore. Pretty reliably read. In Ohio, perhaps more of a swing state than Florida, J.D. Vance from Ohio. The one I didn't mention there is Doug Bergam from

North Dakota. And I think that brings me to can you envision them as president? And this is the harder analysis. While all of the candidates there might not deliver necessarily a swing state needed to election, they might deliver parts of constituencies on the margins of the vote to help you get some voters. But can you envision any of these people as president? If Trump is really factoring that, he said it first. For me, I have trouble seeing Tim Scott as president of the United States. I think it's actually his demeanor.

It's his calm, placid demeanor. I think at this point, while the country might want that, it needs a bit of a fighter. Byron Donald's definitely a fighter, but young, really young to envision as president of the United States. Elise Stefonic, incredibly impressive, smart. From my mind, I've seen her as a number two, probably because she's always been in that role. And I do think it's a big jump from Donald's or her from congressperson up to president. I do not envision Ben Carson, similar to Tim Scott, just so maybe the country wants to return to normalcy. You know, that was like, who was that?

Was that Humphrey's campaign slogan or return to normalcy? And so maybe, I mean, talk about a stoic. Ben Carson comes off as a stoic. Maybe it becomes an appeal in that time. Now, Doug Bergam, it's Warren G. Harding. My producer just text me, it's Warren G. Harding, a return to normalcy. Doug Bergam, I can't envision as an executive. Perhaps because he led a state.

Perhaps because he led a company, successful tech company, executive. He is also a little soft-spoken, but at least he's been there, done that, at the top of the ladder. So I could envision him as an executive. Harder for me with Marco Rubio, easier for me with J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance seems to have that. I think you do have to have a level of alpha and bravado to inhabit the executive office. So when I look at this list, for me, the top three in reverse order would look. like this for vice president. Number three, Tim Scott in South Carolina. Probably does deliver

some constituency, might be able to deliver some swing voters. Number two, J.D. Vance, Ohio. I can envision him as president. I think he's America First Policies. He shares an ideology with Donald Trump. Ohio is an important state. I also think he's incredibly valuable as a senator from Ohio. So I'm not sure vice president is the perfect place for his talents to be utilized. And number one for me is Doug Bergam. I think he's a combination of sort of that stoicism, that executive experience, having been a governor and a corporate CEO. And I think ideologically seems to be in line with Donald Trump. So I would put Doug Bergam at number one on this list.

There's his list of candidates for vice president. There's my ranking of your top three. Let me know what you think. You can hop on to Twitter, Instagram, YouTube. Some of your comments are already coming in. We'll go over your comments. Perhaps next week on the show, tomorrow, Mavs Celtics, Tyrus versus Will. It tips off tonight.

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