Will Cain Country - Tomi Lahren & Kelsey Grammer: What Is Going On With Bill Belichick & An Emotional Tribute To The American Revolution

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Story #1: What on earth is going on with Bill Belichick and his relationship to Jordan Hudson? Plus, a Minnesota District Attorney encourages prosecutors to take race into account for plea deals and more details come out into the deadly Blackhawk helicopter crash with a plane in Washington, D.C. The host of 'Tomi Lahren is Fearless,' Tomi Lahren helps break it all down. Story #2: Will & The Crew dive into the allegations of racism in the fall of Shedeur Sanders during the NFL Draft?  Story #3: The legendary Kelsey Grammar shares about the events that started the American Revolution and his new FOX Nation special, 'Blood on the Bridge: The Battle of Lexington and Concord.' Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

one district attorneys encourage prosecutors when seeking a plea deal to ensure they take into account race the days of lady justice wearing a blindfold seemed to be on the decline but race was not a factor in the plummet in draft stock of coloradock son of Dion Sanders, Shador Sanders. We break that all down with Tommy Laren. Two, Bill Belichick has a 24-year-old girlfriend who seems to be running the show. I don't think I wanted this guy coaching my team in the NFL. Three, Kelsey Grammer, legend,

sitcom, television, comedian, legend today with us talking about his love for America. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Terrestrial radio, three dozen stations from coast to coast, but always on demand by subscribing at Apple or on Spotify. We got the gang back together. We've got two-a-days, Dan, young establishment James and tinfoil tap.

What an exciting weekend it was in sports. What an exciting weekend it was for the NFL draft. And it came with controversy. It came with drama. It came with the media hype that has been around for the better part of a year and a half. The drama of the Colorado Buffaloes, the celebrity star of Dion Sanders, and the draft status of his son, Shador Sanders. Over the weekend, everyone lost their.

mind. Everyone once again decided it was a moment to indict the very racist bones of America. But we're going to get into that a little bit later here in the show. But speaking of people who have lost their minds, sorry, young James, your legend is not running the show. Just a stunning interview on CBS Sunday morning. Maybe it was Brady-Al-L-L-L-L-L-W. And his new 24-year-old girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, who has him all over Instagram.

Younger than me. Have a little taste of Sevia Sunday morning featuring Bill Belichick. You join Insta Face, as you put it. I love that. There's some great pictures of you in Jordan where you're a fisherman and she's a mermaid. It's charming. It's a different side of you.

What's the reaction been like? What's it, Ben? like to have these different sort of photos is another one where you're doing i know you're not into meditation or yoga or pilates you're balancing jordan on your feet and she's doing kind of the titanic pose yes so i'm i'm on some of those social media platforms but i honestly don't follow what is going on where he's sending up smoke signals belichick blink blink if you're okay give us two blinks if you need to be absconded away from whatever's going on in your life this girlfriend 24 year old

jordan hudson pulled him out or she didn't pull him out she monitored the interview she interjected herself i don't think in all of my years of doing this i've ever had someone off to the side go nope we're not doing that no producer i don't think i've ever had that no producers stopped in interview i don't think so man like handler I'm just trying to think off the top of my head if it's ever happened, and I don't think it ever has. It's like Kamala with Charlaman the God that happened. It's so embarrassing. It's embarrassing as it is.

It's embarrassing if it's your girlfriend. It's more embarrassing if it's your 24-year-old girlfriend and you're 70 years old. And there's also, it's even more embarrassing because something, Bill Belichick has jumped the shark. He's wearing this navy sweatshirt. rat it up, tatted up holes in the sweatshirt It's, I mean, don't sell me James on That's always been his look

It's like he's going over the top, man He's jumped the shark Yeah, it's brilliant I don't mind an old sweatshirt But the hole was too much Dude, for a national interview That's his thing though He did that his entire career in New England

Nothing about the cut off sleeves What's going on with your thing? What? What are you doing? What's going on With your thing to it, I said My hair cut? I went with the Tom Hardy Mobland haircut I mean

Patrick gives up the alt-right haircut Dan comes in and saves the day here we go it is a little high and tight I mean that thing is that it's skin man that's skin that's a skin it's a skin fade oh man

yeah oh it's got an official name the skin fade okay all right it looks good thanks looks good thanks Yeah.

Turn to the camera. Look straight on at me. Let me see. I don't want it's just a profile shot. Just did. Oh, yeah. Just broke the fourth wall. Yeah.

Yeah, that's high and tight. That's something. It's not a ratted up t-shirt, sweatshirt. It's not a 24-year-old girlfriend running your life, but it's something. And we've got to figure out what's going on with Bill Belichick. That and what's going on with Shador Sanders coming up in just a moment here on the Will Cane Show. But let's get to it with story number one. Tommy Laren is the host of Tommy Laren, is the host of Tommy Lerrin's

fearless at outkick.com. It kicks off right after the Will Cane show here at one o'clock Eastern Time at foxnews.com as well. And she joins us now. What's up, Tommy? Well, I'm so happy that you have me on to discuss the sports news of the day. I know that I was your first choice for this. And I am honored to dazzle you with my sports expertise, particularly in the area of the NFL draft. You know that I'm obviously an expert in this area. So you called the right person. it's not even a sports story i'm not worried so the political audience doesn't need to run screaming oh no hey tommy have you ever heard the formula of the appropriate age to date okay bill bellichick is 70 and his girlfriend is 24 he's blown the algorithm out of the water here okay he's far far coloring

outside the lines but have you ever have you not talked about this before as well what are the lines of dating? Listen, I think the lines are a little blurry. I'm glad that you started with this story because this actually is within my wheelhouse, you know, dating in pop culture, Instagram, the Insta face. That actually is my arena. So let's kick off with that. Okay.

First of all, I don't want to be mean here. I'm trying not to be a mean girl. But when I watched that interview and I saw her there, I thought, that's a hard 24. She looks a little older than 24. So take that, you know, how you will. Maybe she's wise beyond her years. I think she looks a little older than 24. I would have pegged her maybe at 34 or 35.

It's still a giant age gap, though. And I think how uncomfortable she was when it got brought up, like, how did you meet? Okay, you're just making people speculate more now because your reaction to the question is the story now. Yeah. So I was going to talk about this a little bit later in the program, but I can't think of anybody better to talk about it with and Tommy Lairn. So let's go ahead and roll the tape on this moment where she interrupts the CBS interview with Bill Pelichick.

Here is the star, Jordan Hudson. Jordan was a constant presence during our interview. You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that? I've never been too worried about what everybody else thinks.

Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right. How did you guys meet? Not talking about this. No? No. It's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on. Though Hudson has recently posted about it on Instagram. There we go.

She interrupts the interview, says we're not talking about this. Now, I'll answer my own question to you, Tommy, by the way. The lines are this. men are allowed to date half plus seven of their age. I thought we and I had discussed this. So I just turned 50. Tommy sent me a nice birthday message. That would be where I had to ever get divorced and I'm not going to get divorced.

But for whatever reason I was back in the dating pool, that would put my floor at 32. I could date a 33, 34-year-old, but I'm outside the lines if I'm going to 28. that puts Belichick's number because he's 70 right so that puts his number at 42 and he's down here fishing in the 24 year old pond far outside the lines Tommy far outside the lines and I think it's actually the relationship itself and the way that they carry themselves that gives us mostly the ick there and it's the Instagram post it looks like a father-daughter thing and I think everyone feels that way because even though she is a hard 24 and he might be a young 70, it just looks father granddaughter.

You know, he has, I'll bet you, his kids are in their 40s. I mean, if he's 70 and he has a kid when he's, you know, 25 to 30, then he's got a 40 to 45 year old and a 40 to 5 year old could easily have a 24 year old. This is granddaughter material. Yeah, this is kind of treading into Hugh Heffner. territory there. I don't give this relationship a long duration. I think it's probably going to run its course. He might be having not even a midlife crisis because he's beyond that, but whatever age you are when you have another crisis in your life, maybe that's what it is. But here's the thing. What I don't understand well, from a female's perspective, I understand why older men want

to date younger women. Obviously, younger, you know, she's not wrinkly. She's got a new lease on life. But when I watch her, she doesn't give me 24-year-old, fun, light-hearted energy. She gives me old woman, bitter, cranky energy. So I don't get the allure. Obviously, she's a pretty younger lady, but she's not given off, like, fun, carefree vibes that I would assume a 70-year-old would be interested in if he's trying to go that young. So the whole thing is very perplexing. She doesn't seem like a fun time to me. Seems like a good subject for a deep dive on Tommy Laron is fearless. What is the real age of Jordan Hudson? I like it. I think people are going to tune in for that, Tommy. You should do that. Meanwhile, in more serious news, I want to talk to you

about this county attorney in Minnesota who's getting some notoriety. Her name is Mary Moriarty. She's from Hennepin County. She recently hit the radar because she was one of the prosecutors who let some Tesla vandals up in Minnesota off with a relative slap on the wrist. not serious punishment. And then an organization called K-A-R-E-11, that was the local television station, got this memo from Mary Moriarty to her prosecutors in her department, talking about using race as a guideline

when it comes to prosecutors making and offering plea deals. So this is before it goes, you know, before the judge or a jury, prosecutors can offer the defense a plea deal. And this is what it says, Racial identity and age are not appropriate grounds for departures from sentencing guidelines. Proposed resolution should consider the person charged as a whole person, including their racial identity and age. While these factors should not be controlling, they should be part of the overall analysis. Racial disparities harm our community, lead to distrust, have a negative impact on community safety.

Prosecutors should be identifying and addressing racial disparities at decision points as appropriate. That's a lot of language. The whole controlling thing, it's like that's legalese and C-YA to make sure it's not like you're using race exclusively or is the primary thing. But she's saying basically give some races better plea deals than other races. Don't treat it as justice is blind. Yeah, and it's racist. Can you imagine if this were the other way around? I mean, let's go way back when we had real racist issues in our country.

Can you imagine somebody in her position saying, you know what? if there are a certain race, maybe they should be given more leniency, and that race was the white race. That would be so disgustingly wrong. We would look back on this and think how horrifying it is. But now sitting in 2025, she's some kind of a progressive hero for this. The left is obsessed with race. They can't do anything without injecting race into it. We saw that with Carmelo Anthony in Frisco, Texas, which you've covered extensively. And we're seeing it in Minnesota. And it also tells me that Minnesota has learned nothing from the summer of love 2020 when Minneapolis, St. Paul became unlivable. They let them loot and burn the target,

the whole city. And it was, well, if it's for George Floyd, I guess we got to let it happen. They turned the other cheek and they watched their city burn. Governor Walses, Minnesota again. So these places, these deep blue jurisdictions, they've learned nothing. But at the end of the day, they are obsessed with race. And I think that that makes you a race. quite frankly and I think it's incredibly revealing you know whenever the right Tommy I actually want to talk to you about some of the things we talk about from a perspective of a conservative or from the quote unquote right when the right says you know the goal of much of DEI and the animating philosophy of the modern left is the destruction of western civilization

it just keeps coming up so in other words you know the idea that justice is blind And again, the excuse is always, well, we haven't lived up to that principle. And that is absolutely true. As you pointed out, you know, rewind the clock 70 or 80 years and the idea of a white man and a black man before the justice system receiving equal justice was not a reality. And that is an indictment of our execution of our principles, not the principles themselves, one of those principles being justice is blind, right? equal before the law. But as the left continues to embrace ideas that undercut the principles of Western civilization, the thing that we built, and this is not an isolated incident,

you and I could come up with not half a dozen, but dozens, plural, positions they've taken that undercut their fidelity to Western civilization and, in fact, reinforced the idea, it's a project of destruction and reimagining it in what image is a great question, no one knows. But this is like cutting it the foundation. of what we live upon here. This idea, you know what? We were bad in the past. So let's just get rid of the principles.

Let's not do it. Let's not pretend justice is blind. Yeah, well, you don't cure racism with more racism. And that was the whole point of DEI, once again, birthed in 2020, the dumbest year in modern American history. It brought us COVID lockdowns, shutdowns, vaccine mask mandates. It brought us this radical notion of, racial justice, which was completely outside of the bounds to your point of how we should have

been operating. And that's another reason why President Trump was elected in November of 2024, because people are just so sick and tired of it. But this is what white liberals do to make themselves feel better. It's a worthless virtue signal. And honestly, it's really, in my opinion, insulting and condescending to communities that they're supposedly trying to uplift. You're saying, well, you commit a crime. We're going to consider the fact that you're this raise, and we're going to let you off a little easier. To me, that's really demeaning. And I think that the number of people that switch to Republican or mega, whatever you want to call them,

also indicates that they're tired of being talked down to by the progressive left. But they won't stop. They keep it up. Well, this is another story I want to talk to you about that I think is worthy of analysis on several levels. So details have emerged through a big report in the New York Times about what happened in the big helicopter, Army helicopter plane crash in D.C., where the helicopter flew into the plane, killed a ton of people in D.C. It was in like the first day of Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy taking office. In this report from the New York Times, it's revealed that the pilot of the Black Hawk helicopter made several errors and ignored several warnings

about the height she was flying at, 300, down 200, her flight path, several times ignored warnings and instructions. She was the highest ranking officer on this craft, but the NCO next to her had more experience, much more experience, and was giving her some stuff along the way, including up to 15 seconds before the crash, like a direct, hey, you need to cut left, essentially. You need to go east towards the bank, whatever it was, and she didn't do it. There was also mistakes apparently made in the air traffic control tower as well, where they understaffed, was the guy juggling too many things, was he trying to pull off what they call

like a really rare squeeze play of getting everything in on a tight schedule. But this shows that the pilot of that Black Hawk, who was a female, ignored several warning signs and instructions leading up to the crash. That, by the way, detail was buried in the new. New York Times report. It was deep, deep, deep in the report. If you wanted to find out how much went wrong in her lead up to that crash. First, what are your thoughts? Well, when this first happened and some on the right were so quick to proclaim this, you know, another instance of DEI. It must have been a woman. It must have been transgender. That was the narrative online.

And I actually criticized that well because I thought, you know what, it is far too soon for people to be making this call. Let's wait until we get the facts. Just proclaiming DEI anytime something happens, I think is reckless and irresponsible. However, when it turns out that you do have a female, don't try to bury that because then it seems like you're trying to cover for this person because of her protected class. Now, I don't know why she didn't listen. I don't know why she made the decisions that she made were probably never going to know. But now, unfortunately, you've opened up a whole Pandora's box and there are so many women pilots and other, you know, folks that are in important commanding roles that are going to be questioned. And that's why DEI was such a stupid idea from the get

go because DEI ushered in the doubt with anybody that's in a so-called marginalized class, marginalized class. So the whole thing is frustrating. But I think we might need a little bit more information about this person in particular. And were they, you know, qualified, were they rushed through and given qualifications because of a DEI initiative? Well, now we have to ask the questions. More of the Will Cain Show right after this. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Tray Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcast.com.

This is Jimmy Phala, inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. Perfect take. That's exactly what I believe, everything you just said. I think there's also a little bit of validation, and this is like, we don't know if it does

become a little bit more validation of what Donald Trump said when he first. came out. He's like, I don't think he affirmatively ever said, this is a product of DEI said, but we got to look at that. You know, was this a possibility? And then it's immediately dismissed and criticized. But as is as often with the case with Trump, well, he does know more than the rest of us about the details of

some of these things. And he has a reason he's saying that, so we should wait and see. But I totally agree with you. First of all, the fact that it was a female pilot does not confirm for us that DEI played a role in this. It doesn't. now you put it perfectly if we find out that this female pilot was advanced in unqualified

measures or advanced above people who were more qualified than her then the i becomes part of the conversation simply being a female making a mistake does not mean it's dei um you put it perfectly i would i love what she said as well though it is not it is not irrational for people to now start to wonder whether or not DEI is part of the picture because when you have it it calls into question the qualifications of everyone it's the same thing with affirmative action which clarence thomas has said several times because affirmative action exists every black justice or judge who's advanced has to sort of live under the doubt of whether or not you were advanced because of affirmative action and it's a rational thing for human beings to think that way and it's a cost of bringing in

these measures, whether not it's affirmative action or DEI, that we know do push people beyond their merit. Yeah, and that's why this whole notion is so frustrating. Listen, we've got problems in our country. You've got racism in our country. We know this, but we have come so far from where we were at one point in time, but there seems to be a group of people that wants to keep pulling us back to that place. And I don't know if it gets them clicks and attention. There are some people that are on air or that are writing or that have positions simply because they race bait constantly. I think there's a lot of folks at ESPN that would maybe fall into that category, certainly a lot in sports media. I mean, even this past weekend, dissecting

the people that were talking about the NFL draft. And if there were enough of this and enough of that, it really cheapens the whole conversation. But there are some people that will never let it go. And it's unfortunate because we could actually progress as a nation and as a people, but some people just don't seem to want that to happen. All right. I want you to hear this. This is from Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker talking about the moment and Donald Trump in this first 100 days. Never before in my life have I called for mass protests, for mobilization, for disruption.

But I am now. these republicans cannot know a moment of peace they have to understand that we will fight their cruelty with every megaphone and microphone that we have we must castigate them on the soapbox and then punish them at the ballot box all right he says these Republicans must never know a moment of peace, Tommy. He then goes on to say that the administration and supporters are traitors and tyrants. Now, I thought I was thinking about this this morning, Tommy. This type of stuff, it's just hard not to believe it led to two different assassination attempts of Donald Trump. It's led to the vandalization of Teslas. It's led to, you know, firebombing, Tesla dealerships. It's led to a lot of insane behaviors.

And I did sit there and go, okay, Will, if somewhere on the left we're listening, would they say, well, what about the rhetoric of Donald Trump? And I do think Donald Trump engages in inflammatory rhetoric. I don't think he's called his opponent's tyrants or traitors. Trying to think, Tommy, I'm willing to be corrected. I'm trying to think what the worst of what he's had to say is. But this is, in my mind, all too common now on the left. Well, it is. And the reason it's occurring in my humble opinion is that all of these Democrats are the pick me's. They all want to be in line for 2028. And so they have to say the most outrageous thing

possible to get headlines. And J.B. Saw, AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker with his 25-hour talk fest. He probably knew that they were going to do this sit on the stairs yesterday and do nothing. So they are all trying to get attention. They're not trying to actually have policy positions or solutions, even in the Democrat frame. They just want attention. They want headlines. They want name ID. And it's reckless when they say these things, but also when they're calling for people to, we need you to protest in the streets. All right, that's an American thing to do. But I would ask these far left progressives, what gathering in the streets with signs has done to improve anybody's life? Unless you're advocating for a certain policy that you want past, then

standing around saying that you hate Donald Trump advances nothing. But I don't think they have a solution. I think anti-Trump has always been the only narrative that they have. And instead of actually coming up with something that they think is going to better someone's life, this is what they do because they want to be famous more than they want to do anything else. And they're just so dedicated, so addicted to the idea of Donald Trump as authoritarian as a tyrant. They're just so addicted to it. And I don't think they'll ever shake the addiction, ever. Like I think even when he's not present anymore, it'll continue to be the thing that they sort of run with. I think it's ran them into insanity and cul-de-sacs. It's got them advocating for

Kilmar-Bregor Garcia, you know, the MS-13 alleged gang member. I mean, because it's anti-Trump. that position is the opposite of Trump, be the opposite of the tyrant. And I think it's running the entire party into a cul-de-sac. Well, I would also say I think whether President Trump or president or not or it was somebody else, I think that they would advocate for illegal aliens to remain in our country. I think that that is their main policy position. And I think it's because they worked so hard for four years while Joe was asleep to get as many illegals into this country as possible.

So the fact that this president or any president could, undo all that hard work terrifies them. They don't want all these people that they brought in to be shown the door. They worked hard to get them all in here. So this advocating for Kilmar, Breggo, Garcia, or any other illegal alien, you got, you know, the judge that's leading one out the back door that's been accused of beating two people. They don't care. They see all of these people as future voters, probably future mail-in voters. And I think that that's where their advocacy is. outside of being just anti-Trump i really do think they're dedicated to illegal immigration all right you can hear more of this in 30 minutes tommy larren is fearless at foxnews.com

and at outkick dot com i always love hanging out with her tommy laran thank you so much Tommy all right to see you uh good to see you as well hey when we come back i want the guys to check me like what is the most um inflammatory writer from don't trump like and i'm sure you're in the comment section so make sure i don't I do. I want to check myself on that and see if it meets this now five to 10 year project of calling Donald Trump in a territorial Nazi tyrant. We'll make sure we check that when we come back on the Will Kane show. Hey, I was standing around last night at a family barbecue. We do this once a month, had everybody in somebody was in my backyard and looked at, oh, you got a blackstone.

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the NFL took a pass four to five times on Colorado quarterback Shedura Sanders? It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page. springing the fellas so guys this weekend i went to a clemson south carolina it was really awesome i got to tour the football facilities i got to meet dabbo it was awesome uh i saw the savannah

bananas which i'd never heard of before and everybody's in on the you guys all know what it is i mean 81 000 people at death valley 81 000 and i'm fascinated by the business that is the savannah bananas but outside of that all anybody was talking about was shoulder like Why has he not been drafted? Why has he not been drafted? Shadur Sanders, the son of Dion Sanders, quarterback at Colorado. I would say going into the draft, most people suspect that a late first, maybe a second round quarterback. Mel Kuiper loved him.

Mel Kuiper had him number one overall. Mel Kuiper was really animated over the weekend and why the NFL was passing on Shudor Sanders. I'm going to be up front. I love Mel. I think Mel's entertaining. He's not always right. Who is when it comes to the NFL draft?

Todd, Todd, and he's a, and I can tell you something else about Mel Kuiper. Good dude. He's a good dude. But everybody was talking about Mel a weekend. But the conversation around Shadoor's fall got insane fast. Okay, first of all, the President of the United States tweeted about it. Donald Trump, when would he do this on Saturday was on Friday? With NFL owners.

Do it, James. You have a better impression than I do. Are they stupid? Dion Sanders was a guy. a great college football player and even greater in the NFL who's also a very good coach streetwise and smart

therefore Shador his quarterback son has phenomenal genes and is all set for greatness he should be quote picked immediately by a team that wants to win good luck Shador and say hello to your wonderful father

I love that phenomenal jeans is in all caps too. I don't, how do anybody's, how does the cadence, like, translate to, like, how he talks? It's, it's kind of unclear. You were pretty good. He emphasizes random words, you know, and he pauses at the end of sentences often before the last word of the sentence. So you get it. Like, so he makes sure it's in your mind. Just like the founding fathers did. They used to capitalize random words on the middle of sentences for emphasis. He believes in good genes. I love that. I mean, and you know what? That's another thing where Donald Trump's on to something.

Like, you're not supposed to talk. Like, that sounds like an old person thing to say, good jeans. But you know what? It's a thing. Good genes. It's almost questionable to say that. But you're like, very similar. But why?

I don't know. Oh, I got one. When we had our high school senior day, end of baseball, all the fathers through first sons are through the first pitch out to their sons. And they did it one by one. There's nine or ten of us. And most of the dads are kind of bouncing it or chucking it there. And then George Kirby's dad comes out.

and it's just b-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. That's where that came from. Jeans. At least he's spelled it, G-E-N-E-S. Brett Farf, great genes. By the way, there's no place more obvious about phenomenal genes than in sports. Like, we all talk about that, you know, coach's son, whatever.

Like, we know it plays a role. But not everybody was as eloquent as the president. Jamal Bowman, former congressman, had this to say about Shador's fall in the draft. Someone like Ador Sanders, you know, because he talk a certain way and because he wears gold chains and his pops is Dion and he don't want to submit to y'all, y'all white shit, you know, he's going to slip in the draft. And you're telling me he's based on the evaluation, like you didn't watch the games and watch him play and see him play. This is so stupid. It's so stupid. And unfortunately, my friend Stephen A. Smith.

just made it even worse. Stephen A. tweeted the following. Someone just texted me this message and they are absolutely correct. This is a bad look for the NFL. This feels like Kaepernick-level collusion. All the hard work, the NFL league office puts in to eradicate these kinds of perceptions only to turn around and watch as the owners look like they're colluding, messing everything up. What has been done to Should Doer will outshine everything else in this draft.

We'll never believe this is about just talent evaluation again. all right so the implication is obvious that it's race can we just let's yeah capernick there are 32 NFL owners and GMs and scouts on top of that all making independent decisions and competing with one another if one of them thought the other 31 were wrong they would do something different you know why because they want to win this idea is beyond absurd beyond absurd on the Kaepernick, just to revisit it, 32 NFL owners made independent decisions that he was not worth the hit to business versus what he offered you on the football field. With Shadour, they decide independently, it is not worth the headache for the limited upside. So I've read everything about

this, like the scouting reports, and Mel believes differently. And here's the thing about the draft. Maybe Mel is right, Mel Kiper, and give him five years. And in five years, we'll look back on it and will go, Mel, you were ridiculous, or Mel, you were right, and you were better than all 32 owners. And that's very possible, because they were wrong on Tom Brady. They can be wrong. It's not about whether or not they're right. They all passed on Tom Brady five plus times.

So maybe they're wrong on Shadur, but we know why they made the decision about Shadur. And it wasn't anything to do with race, as was said by a couple of other guys. Who is this guy he works for tinfoil pack? Who's he worked for T&T Sports? Who's this Stan Beckton? I don't know who he is. T&T. T&T?

You have a community noted. All right. So he tweets, the Giants don't like black quarterbacks. This has been documented over time. No way they were getting a black quarterback with the personality of Shador Sanders, unfortunately. So their community noted would say. Oh, yeah. They had a black quarterback in 2022 with Tyrod Taylor and 17 with Gino Smith.

they have signed two black quarterbacks this offseason in Russell Wilson and James Winston I guess James isn't black enough That's a great community though Wrong James James is known for his flamboyant character

And by the way It's so They have to do this Like whatever Jamal Bowman was doing About the way Shador acts Right Because the number one overall pick In this draft

Was a black quarterback In Cam Ward So we've reached peak, peak stupidity, peak stupidity here, okay? And Peter Rosenberg, I used to work with the ESPN, I'm not sure where he is now. He also tweeted about this. He said some white people may not understand why race is becoming conversation around Shadur. And may or not have anything to do with what's going on here, but the relationship between America and brash black athletes has deep history.

White America's historically angered and scared of men like Shadur Sanders. So whether that's happening here or not, that history, feeling cannot go away. Okay. So he's pivoting it beyond. It's not just that he's black. It's that he's brash. Go ahead, two days. I think, but you can say that about Johnny Mansell. People were worried about his attitude going into the draft too. So it's the same exact thing. It's that kind of like unhumble, you know, thing that people are afraid of. So it was happening, you know, not just with Shador, but other quarterbacks. Okay, Brash and Jamal Bowman make it seem like that Shadur is just confident or cocky.

Well, let me tell you something about the NFL. It's full of cocky and confident men. It is, without a doubt. You have to be. In that entire draft, and by the way, what was the draft? Probably 50, 60, 70% black. So, I mean, hundreds of brash, confident black men were drafted. With Shadur, it was something else, and it is not that hard to figure out.

It's a circus, and you know it's a circus. it's a circus that involves Dion. Is Dion going to go to a press conference and criticize my GM and my coach if Shadur doesn't play or if Shadur doesn't like the offense? This is all stuff you have to figure out. And then on top of all of that,

Shadur bombed, man. He bombed his interviews. The reports are out there. I heard one that at his, he was working out at the combine in the gym and a big time NFL coach was just going to go say hi to Shadur. And Shadur walked past

him would not acknowledge him except to say when passing you already have a quarterback i don't have time to talk to you i mean like how's that going to fly how's this that that that's not brash that's something else and nobody wants to deal with that especially when you're talking about a guy who's not clearly the next andrew luck not clearly the next john lway i'm talking about those guys that come along who are no doubt number one overall picks those guys maybe maybe you can put up with some of that and I think it's still a maybe I think it would ding their draft status so this is all beyond beyond ridiculous and it is I mean I don't know if this is rigid residual Kaepernick stuff or not like they got addicted to that storyline they loved

that storyline it was hugely viral so they're going to go in on it again the final angle I want to do with this is I still feel bad for Shadur in some ways I feel bad he was prank called during the draft, we have a copy of it. The news is out now, the kid who prank called Shadur and made him think he was getting drafted is the son of the Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator. He got the phone number apparently off of his dad's iPad who had left it open.

And during the draft, this happened when this kid called Shadur. Hey, is this Shadur? This is Mickey Loomis here, the GM of the New Orleans Saints. How are you doing? This is Mickey Loomis here, GM of the Saints. How you doing?

Good, how are you, man? Yeah, we have. It's been a long wait, man. We're gonna take you with our next peak right here, man. It's gonna have to wait a little bit longer, man. Sorry about that. What is that mean? What? What do you say?

he says? I don't know. Are you going to ask us what it mean and you was on the phone? You heard that? He said you're going to have to wait a little bit longer. So for those listening on radio or podcast, the videos are side by side. The kid videoed himself. It's not a very good prank,

by the way. It's horrible. You're going to have to wait a little. It didn't make sense. I understand Chatur's confusion. I don't think there's what happened. I don't think they were sober. That looked like a Friday night in a college dorm too. That's the problem. That's the problem, videoing everything these days. The kids are going to be in trouble. There was a similar prank.

but it was much more lighthearted where kids were like in a dorm room and somebody got the master's phone number and asked for a tea time on Thursday that was a little more lighthearted I've seen local radio do that I've listened to local radio call the masters and just see if they could get a tea time

it's funny and apparently this happened to a lot of other guys too Chase Lunt who's an offensive lineman from Connecticut he apparently got pranked several times another guy or two got pranked Penn State The kid was reading off a note card, by the way. Did you see that?

You can't memorize that? You can't go off the cuff? I know. You can't do a prank off the cuff. You've got to write it down. Have you seen the one where they call the kid out, where they call the baseball team, and they got someone to go warm up in the bullpen? They're like, he's in the dugout.

No, get him out to the bullpen. Oh, really? They can get on the bullpen lines? It's like a college team. I think the pitcher's now on the Mets. It was A.J. Minter. Anyway. Well, I do feel bad for Shadour on that front.

I don't feel bad for where he was drafted. I think that he has to learn something about honestly entitlement and behavior and the way he conducted himself to this interview process and hopefully conducts himself differently when inside an NFL building. But, I mean, I feel bad from that prank call. That's a big day to have your hopes, you know, lifted and then dropped like that. That stinks. But it has nothing to do with race.

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The Battle of Lexington and Concord is a new special out at Fox Nation, and it's hosted by actor and comedian, director Kelsey Grammer. This is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Of course, you know him from Cheers, from Frasier. He's a legend in sitcom and comedy, and he is an absolute lover. of America. It's really fascinating to talk to Kelsey Grammer

and hear the emotion in his voice as he signed up once again for another special about American history, this time focusing in on the revolution and specifically what led up to these men, Sam Adams, George Washington, and the Advent, the Battle of Lexington Concord. Here is the legendary Kelsey Gramer.

Kelsey Gramer, actor, comedian, director, also the host of Fox Nation's brand new series, blood on the bridge the battle of lexington and concord it's up april 28th kelsey great to see you likewise thanks will like i said we said earlier but i said congratulations on everything you're doing some great work well thank you so much i mean it's uh you find yourself in surreal places in life one of them is interviewing kelsey grammar who you've watched for most of your life uh you know one thing i think that someone who maybe hasn't been as plugged into some of your more recent work especially that with Fox, would know is how interested you are, how captivated you might be,

by American history, whether or not it's been sitcoms or many of the other projects you've done throughout your lives that have made you so well known. What is it that grabs you about history? I suppose what got me started down the road of it was my respect for my granddad, who raised me. But he served in World War II, Guadalcanal. He was there for 28. months after Judy and then we would go to Fort Monmouth when I was a boy the shop and he was a retired colonel at that time and I just had this great sense of reference for the people that that served the country and thought understanding what had happened and why we existed why America was as important as it is and

why it remains in my mind as important as it is it comes from my sense of history and why my connection to these guys. I mean, for instance, I mean, I'm sitting here in my office, kind of I got to, this is a book written by George Washington, George Washington's writings. I mean, I leave through that all the time. My reverence for the founding fathers and for their idealism and for their focus on the individual is what has carried me into an interest for history, but also that sense of identifying with what they did,

the personal sacrifice that went into, making up the fact that we exist is something I want to revere and celebrate and keeping people's minds, especially with how things have been going lately. You know, the narrative, and I don't like using the word narrative because everybody else uses it. But what has happened in terms of our traditional understanding of our history has been sort of warped into another kind of, into an overlay of political kind of influence and change has overridden it. And I think if you don't know who you are, you're easier to control.

And I think we have to help people understand who they are, where they came from. The stuff that we're made of. Stuff that were made of was pretty extraordinary. What do you think is so extraordinary? To listen to you talk about not just America, but the founding fathers of America, it reminds me of the way I feel as well when you have a sense of history, probably for me, began to be something more than emotional, more than simply reverence when I went to law school. And I began to understand the unique nature of the rights that were enshrined by

those founding fathers, unique genius and wisdom that they displayed in creating this experiment, which I think stands out from the rest of humanity. For you, what is it that you have this understanding and listening to you talk about the founding fathers that sets apart us here in America? It wasn't the arrogance of thinking we were individual, but the insistence that the insistence that the individual be the defining factor of our government. And, of course, I think that principle has been so woefully abandoned in the past 50 years or so.

But I know that there's always hope, and we always pull it back. I think that's what's great about it. And I do think there is a, I think there is a spiritual component. I think there is God. But what I continue to abide by in my understanding of it is that the living sort of breathing experiment that is the United States of America is a daily effort, is a daily involvement and a daily commitment from everybody that's in the country to really remember how important it is to celebrate that spirit of freedom, that fight for freedom,

that willingness to do the right thing. It's characterized by people who are willing to do the right thing all the time. And that has been, that's what keeps me going, keeps me on it. And that, and I, like, I respect your going to law school. I never went to law school. I've spent a good deal of time dealing with lawyers. and I'm not so sure how high up on the rung they are for me. But I've certainly met some that merit respect and who have earned some real honor.

And I know that that profession is still capable of producing people like that. I'm not here to defend the profession, but I would defend the education. And the education did begin the process of giving me a great understanding of rights and the enshrined documents, the documents that enshrined those rights, both the declaration, but most notably the Constitution of the United States. But for me, Kelsey, that meant that most of my exposure and then therefore my attraction to what made us unique was the thinkers of the time. It was a bit of the Jeffersons and the Madisons and the Hamilton's that envisioned the experiments of America. In this story, in this series you have at Fox Nation, Blood on the Bridge,

you actually talk about though the revolutionaries the men of action not just the men of ideas that you focus in as you host this series on guys like samuel adams what did you i want to talk a little bit about the history and what you've learned and what you share in this series but let's talk a bit about the men like just the men involved in this unique moment in history right um i don't know what it was that kind of uh harvested them and brought them together in this moment of crisis or or even just a of dedication they put the idea of human freedom above their individual rights. They were willing to sacrifice their lives for it. I don't know where that came from. That may be, I don't think it's specifically American. I think it's been part of what we're given. I think it's biblical. I mean, I think people are dedicated to the idea that freedom is God's greatest gift to us.

And that was enshrined in our Constitution, certainly, and in our Declaration of Independence, which I think, you know, I'd look on the Declaration as the founding document of the country, basically. But this battle took place before that, which is fascinating. And so the conversation about freedom and what you're willing to do for it was already in their minds. And the idea that the Minutemen existed was, I think that was John Hinkard, who donated a great deal of his personal wealth to this idea that we should be ready to deploy. And I guess that's where a lot of our Second Amendment stuff comes from. he knew that we had to be ready to fight.

And he put that into motion. And, of course, then the British got winded to this and then thought, well, we're going to go stop this and ran into a bunch of ragtag guys who got the warning from Paul Revere and several other writers at the same time that the British were coming to basically take their weapons and take their ammunition.

And they said, no, you're not. And, of course, they got kind of slaughtered at first, but I think it was, I forget the exact number of British regulars in California. encountered them, but it was overwhelming odds. But then on their way back, after encountering this smaller group of men, they ran into a mobilized Minuteman force that overwhelmed them. And then the war was on.

And that was pretty extraordinary. What about the driving forces, what you explore again in this series? Like, among the men, as I understand it, guys like Adams, Samuel Adams, were huge figures in pushing this into a rebellion, a revolution, not simply an argument, not simply a cause, but to understand and to push others who might have been more reluctant towards this complete rebellion from the British. Right. Well, that I can only chalk that off.

I mean, I don't even know what they did. So I can only tell by their action what kind of people they were, or at least sort of trans. what kind of people they actually were. They, you know, put their lines, you know, their lives, their souls, and their sacred honors. They, freedom suddenly became the ascendant value for them in all things. And they did have some wealth. And Samuel Adams certainly had some concerns in terms of like continue to continue to prosper and be treated decently.

With decency, you know, they were willing to fight for a fair shake. it's fascinating these guys but one that was defined by the individual and his own needs rather than I sort of a group think or a but eventually enough people finally came along for the ride and said we request and desire

and are willing to die for freedom and for somebody else's freedom and I thought that was I think that's a defining thing Samuel Adam was this devotion you know the whole idea of the freedom trail and when I was

when I was on cheers of course I went and visited Boston years ago. And I found it remarkable that the most popular tourist attraction in Boston at the time was the cheers bar. When if you just walk like half a block down, you can see where the beginning of the country started, you know, like where the idea started to ruminate and sort of, you know, fester or or come together and percolate and create this movement that became nation. I mean, they built a nation there, and most people were going to see, you know, where Sam and Diane were hanging out. But I always loved the people of Boston. I had a great relationship with them. And, but at the same time, in a biting sense of that history, I mean,

I visited old Iron Science when I was there and really enjoyed that visit. And then sort of the, and I became great friends with some of the cops on the force there. And I'm with Mayor Menino at the time, who was, this is a fantastic guy. That sort of civic pride that they had, that they were still basically connected as one of the great birthplaces of our country. And that was still sort of in there. So it was still sort of the fabric of visiting Boston. It's a great place and the birth of a great nation.

You mentioned a moment ago in very kind terms, me going to law school. I'll tell you at the outset, one of my great regrets, which I'm probably developed a little bit later in life, but there was a seed, even in my 20s, like, I did not serve. I wished I served. I'm just curious in listening to you talk about your grandfather and the great reverence that you have. Was that ever a path that you considered? Yeah, I consistently have a sense of shame. It's not a, it doesn't eat away at me, but there have been moments when I've always thought, you know, I'm around guys who have served and I've seen them, you know, what they've been through and what they've done. I think, I

kind of sense that, well, I should have stepped up. I should have been there. What happened to me was I wanted to be, I wanted to attend Annapolis when I was a boy. I loved sailing. I love to, I love to see. That's kind of where I grew up on the East Coast. And my grandfather was a good friends with the Admiral of Admissions at the time. And he said, he invited him up with dinner. I was 12 years old. And the Admiral told me that he said, well, if you keep your grades up, you get a full ride. You serve the country for a few years. You've come out as an officer. And just to make sure your math is in good shape and you'll get in. And so I have assurances I was going to go to Annapolis. And that was, that to me was the ultimate goal. But then my grandfather died. Suddenly,

you know, we didn't anticipate. He was going to die. We retired early. We moved to Florida. And a week after we got there, he died. And that threw everything into a tailspin. I mean, I was suddenly the only man of the family, and there were three women in the family. I had to kind of look after her, and I wasn't quite prepared for all of it. And so I turned to acting, which is interesting. I found this love of literature that kind of nurtured me and got me through all that. And my path then was kind of defined in a different way. Now, we were in the midst of Vietnam at the time as well, and it not being a popular war, certainly, had some influence on me.

Not that I wouldn't have gone. I mean, I went down and registered for the draft. and thought, well, you know, if my number comes up, I'm going. But by then President Nixon had begun sort of the drawdown and to leave with dignity kind of thing that didn't work out so well, but still he sort of saved my life. I didn't have to go through that. But I admire the men who did, and I consistently feel like

there's just a piece of my manhood that isn't quite fulfilled by having not served. I think it's a wonderfully well-put way to think about it because I feel the same. Just a piece of my manhood is not fulfilled. Not a complete sense of shame, but a bit of regret that that's not part of my story. So I try to make it right. Well, I think telling some of these stories is part of that. You know, let's set aside the moral pull to tell these stories and says make sure that people understand.

the nature of, as you put it, of the United States of America. But from a commercial aspect as well, Kelsey, and you brought up two elements here. There are two bodies of work that I just feel like, while not unexplored, are still such fertile ground for storytelling. And one of those is the story of America. I mean, yeah, you can watch John Adams on HBO. And, you know, there are series here and there that crop up. But certainly, I don't think to the extent that you get a, I don't know,

a heist movie, and I love a heist movie. Don't get me wrong. I love a heist movie. Just watch Den of Thieves Part 2 the other night. But one wouldn't make the argument. We don't have enough heist movies. I just think that the story of America, all of it, by the way, is such fertile ground. By the way, so is the story of faith. So is the story of religion. I mean, this is the animating story probably of humanity, if not humanity in its entirety, you know, most of the globe and I'm just what you think about that like if you if I were a and I'd like to think in some ways I am and you certainly are if we were Hollywood um production studios you and I I mean I was immediately stand and go look at these two fertile grounds to plow what stories

do we have about faith about America I think the community quote unquote is actually starting to warm to the idea of more faith-based and stuff they've seen it succeed of course and done something like success to make something attractive I mean I of course I've was in Jesus Revolution a while ago, and that's where it kicked off my openness about faith. The stories in the Bible are extraordinary stories. I mean, and honestly, it is interesting how just a sentence about one person can turn into a whole story, extrapolates into a huge story about human existence, about human existence, about our fight for discovery.

I mean, Barabbas, for instance, there's a wonderful film about Barabbas that I'd love to remake, actually about, you know, the guy that was freed instead, and then Jesus was taken in his name. He was haunted for the rest of his life by this Jesus guy. He didn't know what to do about it. And finally he became a Christian. It's a fantastic story about this relationship with the spiritual and sort of the balancing line between the physical world, which is earth, and the spiritual world, which was Jesus' realm and where it crossed over. But anyway, there is definitely awareness of what a great treasure trove there is of storytelling left and faith.

And certainly in our American story, we've covered quite a bit of it. I mean, I've done a lot of the battles for America and the other stuff that I've done that I will still watch once in a while and think, oh, yeah, I forgot we put that in there. Oh, yeah, yeah, let's go to. It's complex and huge. And I am related to General Putnam, it was the Battle of Bunker Hill. Don't fire any see the whites of their eyes.

That maybe has always stuck with me a little bit, you know, that, oh, I'm related to that guy, which is one of the great sort of advice, greatest advice, I guess, battlefield advice, would be, don't fire you see the whites of their eyes. I suppose that makes as much sense as anything else. You know, like sort of, okay, you can't miss it. close but it's um i'm trying to think there is something so wonderfully engaging about it

that we've we've lost a connection to the value of those those people you know and what they went through and to personalize that i guess would maybe maybe we revivify a sense of how important it was this event our our revolution and becoming the country we became right uh granted we're full of flaws, you know, we make mistakes, we stumble, we fall. But that's the beauty of it. We have a constitution and a structure that allows us to overcome what goes wrong. And I think, you know, we sway back and forth on a sort of pendulum between, you know, error and accuracy, and the government has a sort of a sweet spot where it's focused and engaged in our lives

and yet enhances liberty and leaves us alone. up and it, you know, and allows us to make our own decisions on things. I mean, I do think taxation is ridiculous and it's excessive. We're finding out a lot of things about that now in our current society. But the experiment in the United States of America is still underway. It's still happening. It's still unfolding. And that's what I love about it.

I did hear something a while ago that I really enjoyed. I thought, we don't need to rewrite the Constitution. We need to reread it. I think that's a really good idea. Yeah. I love that. We're going to fix that. You know, honestly, it just went back and reread it.

You might find it's in there already. You might be impressed. That's a really good line. In this series, Blood on the Bridge, the Battle of Lexington and Concord. You have four parts. you focused in on what happens in Boston with episode one, the Padrakeg, then the ride of Paul Revere, the alarm system, the midnight ride,

then the shot heard around the world, and that is the focus on exactly what happened at Lexington Concord. And then finally the siege of Boston. I'm curious, is there one story or one moment that either you didn't know about that was eye-opening for you or that is really stuck with you in the same way of don't shoot them until you see the whites of their eyes? We don't need to rewrite the Constitution. We need to reread the Constitution.

Is there one moment in here that's really stuck with Kelsey Grammer? The one moment really is the understanding that they were prepared. That to me, for me, educationally, that was the birthplace of the Second Amendment. It was an organic necessity to understand that you needed to be able to stand up against the government that was not being fair to you. And that, to me, it's a foundational belief that is maybe just American. And I don't know, you know, the countries all over the world abandon their right to gun ownership all the time. I see it as a duty to actually be able to say no, to say no to an overreaching government to say, we will not do that. And some of that depends upon the fact your ability to defend yourself.

Illegal search and seizure comes along for the ride. I guess that's Fourth Amendment. but the value of it and their preparedness. I mean, and then, of course, when they got up in the moment, when somebody rode through and said, the British are coming, that somebody decided they'd get musket and ball and walk out in the middle of a field and say, stop. That's just, that's breathtaking heroism, you know,

said, no, you will not do this. That's my love for them is still, alive. I weep at the bravery of that. All right. Finally, Kelsey, you've done, as you mentioned, several series and stories on American history to your point. And if we and I together agree as well, but there's still such fertile ground to tell stories. And when I say tell stories, for me, I think it's so fascinating to think about it in a number of a variety of ways. If people have trouble with narrative arcs and narrative history, meaning not just documentary, uh, with costumes and period pieces, then make it modern day,

you know, teach me the same lessons and show me the same characters in modern day. But what would you do next, Kelsey? Like if you focused next on the next part of the American history that fascinates you and you haven't yet told, what would that be? Right. Well, there's a, there's a whole bunch of them, of them, of course. I mean, some of them, I'd love to do some of the World War II stuff. Uh, but, uh, the Pacific theater especially, because that's where my grandfather was. I mean, I have a personal connection. to that, the fact that, you know, so much carnage and bravery existed in that engagement. And some of the stories I know, I'd love to see the Battle of the Coral Sea done,

one of the first American battles that we actually sort of turned the tide a little bit. I think it was sort of a drawl, really, but it came out as the first time it looked like America would actually fight for itself in South Pacific. I'd love to sort of interweave the idea of what the Panama Canal is, why, you know, a lot of people are still going, like, why does he care about the Panama Canal? Well, Stephen Ambrose basically said, without the Panama Canal, we wouldn't have won World War II. And if people could understand that, then they'd understand why is it so important to China? Why was it so important that they come in and take over there?

It is a, it is a gateway to our independence. It remains that in terms of, on the international stage, it remains that. And, of course, we should do it, you know, with dignity. maybe giving it up in the first place was probably a mistake. What a fascinating story that would be. Yeah, I think we could definitely do that. Yeah. So there's more.

And I know that the guys at the talk station, and we've talked several times, I know there's more to do. We're going to do some more. And we're going to throw another one together and, you know, see how it works. I'd love to do also the battle for Baltimore, you know, the War of 1812, Stars, Spangled Banner Inspiration because that's an amazing tale, and I don't think people understand why we sing it and why it was written. Francis Scott Key was just a doctor who had been sort of tapped to negotiate a prisoner

swamp. So we went out to one of the British ships that were there and arranged for this swap of 400 prisoners of war, basically. But the British commander at the time said, why don't you just spend the night tonight? Because come morning, that flag sitting over Fort McKinley, won't be there. and he pointed at all the ships behind him. There were hundreds of ships on the horizon. And he said, we're going to

bombard that place till that thing falls. And Francis Scott Key wrote through the night, is it still there? And it was. It was there because the men in Fort McKinley were holding it up.

Whenever it would fight, someone would whenever it would start to fall, some man would either get, sacer sacrifice his life, sacrifice his entire body to keep it standing. And that understanding of what our flag means, I don't believe anybody would burn our flag again. Wow. I am taken aback not just by your understanding of American history,

but your emotional connection to it. It's touching. And it certainly inadvertently, but serves as a selling point for making sure we all invest, at the very least, in checking out. blood on the bridge, the Battle of Lexington and Concord. I would love to talk to you more, Kelsey. I would love to have you on the Wilcane show as well at 4 o'clock to talk about some of this deep understanding of history.

I'm fascinated by tying in the history of the Panama Canal to even the current modern-day debates. And you seem obviously a very, very eloquent voice for all of us to understand these issues. So you have an open invitation and you'll probably get an invitation to come on the Wilcane show. Okay, great. I appreciate it. Okay, Kelsey Gramer, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it. Oh, good to see you, man. Thank you.

Check out Battle on the Bridge, Lexington and Concord. You can hear, man, you can hear the emotion in Kelsey Gramer's voice talking about American history. It's absolutely incredible. Make sure you check that out at Fox Nation. That's going to do it for us today. Thank you for hanging out with us on the Will Kane Show. We'll see you again tomorrow. Same time.

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