Will Cain Country - Top 3 Revelations From Michael Cohen’s Testimony

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Story #1: Verbs. Make boring great again. What kind of dude is Michael Cohen? Will’s three biggest takeaways and reactions to Michael Cohen’s testimony in the trial of former President Donald Trump. Story #2: Bill Burr tells Bill Maher that ‘Cancel Culture’ is dead and over, but does ‘Cancel Culture’ ever really die? Plus, much more with today’s ‘Lunch Break Panel,’ NY Post sports and entertainment reporter Ryan Glasspiegel and Host of OutKick The Morning on outkick.com/watch Charly Arnolt. Story #3: Is it wrong to wear the t-shirt of an artist or a band when you’re at the concert of that artist? Will was guilty of this but who’s to judge?   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When you're a forward thinker, you don't just bring your A game. You bring your AI game. Workday is the AI platform that transforms the way you manage your people, money, and agents, so you can transform tomorrow. Workday, moving business forever forward. One, verbs make boring great again. And what kind of dude is Michael Cohen, my three biggest take. takeaways, reactions to the testimony of Michael Cohen in the trial of Donald Trump.

Two, Bill Burr tells Bill Marr that cancel culture is dead. Does cancel culture ever really die? Or is it the complaint, like free speech, of those who are not in power? Is it a vampire that lives into attorney? A conversation with our lunch break panel. And three, is it wrong to wear the t-shirt of an artist or a band when you're at the concert for that artist or band? That's what I did at Cody Jinks. It is the Will Kane show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page.

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my monologues, my take, Will and Pete, off the live, rails are lunch break panels and YouTube shorts just hit subscribe to the will cane show on youtube i did wear a cody jinks concert shirt to see a concert of cody jinks was that wrong i don't think it was wrong over the weekend took the boys and the wife invited by cody one of my favorite artists interesting country music artist kind of outlaw country country very texas country very Texas country, but bigger than Texas, but not Nashville, not Morgan Wallen, 20,000 at Dosec East and Dallas, but for me, a top fiver. So I am not at all ashamed to show my fandom. You know, of all the things we ever done here on The Wilcane Show, I would have to say,

I don't know it's the thing that's gone the most viral, but it is without a doubt the thing that has driven the most comments on Instagram and on TikTok was a debate we had with Outkicks Tommy Laren, the host of Tommy Laren is Fearless, where she goes on to tell me that men should not wear the jerseys of other men. Like you shouldn't put on, you know, I shouldn't wear a Dak Prescott jersey. I shouldn't, you know, wear a Vince Young jersey, whatever it may be. And you know, Tommy delivers it in her very Tommy style full of passion and certainty. And here's the thing. Tom's playing a home game with me.

Like throughout my life, I've always also believed. Like, I don't think you should probably wear the jersey of another man. But as I've gotten older, interestingly, I haven't gotten more sober-minded. I've gotten more authentic in my fandom. I don't care. I no longer care what is cool. Like, I think it's really uncool to always try to be cool. So I don't care.

And if I want to wear a jersey and lean into my fandom and have a good time, I'm going to do that. And if I want to wear a Cody Jinks concert shirt to a Cody Jinks concert, I'm going to do that. Because here's the truth. Here's what's authentic. I'm a big fan. So, was that wrong? You can drop a comment here or hit us up on X at Wilcane, Instagram, see Wilcane comments right here on the Wilcane show on YouTube. We'll break that down a little bit later in the show. But once again on the stand today

and the trial against Donald Trump is Michael Cohen. Let's break down. The three biggest revelations, the three biggest takeaways so far on the testimony of Michael Cohen with story number one. Verbs make boring great again. And what kind of dude is Michael Cohen? My three biggest takeaways from his testimony so far in the trial against Donald Trump. One, let's talk about verbs. What seems to have been established in day one of the testimony of Michael Cohen was that to some level, Donald Trump was aware of the negotiations and agreements that Michael Cohen was quarterbacking to write NDAs in more salacious terms, hush money, for stories

that Donald Trump didn't want out there in the public, through the National Enquirer, through the New York Times, through the media. And so Michael Cohen played audio, which we shared with you in yesterday's episode of the Will Kane show. He gave testimony to the different ways in which he kept Donald Trump apprised of all of these negotiations. Now, the verb that I chose to use, which I think is probably the most accurate verb, is Donald Trump seems to have been based upon direct testimony of Michael Cohen, aware. Now, I'm here to tell you, this verb is important, aware. Because first of all, let's just talk about the role of media.

Media is such a used car salesman of a business. I mean, you've got to sit there and you've got to parse every word. You've got to look at every nonverbal piece of content. You've got to look into someone's eyes. You've got to be aware of the ways you're, being manipulated. Now, one that disagrees with me, you can say right now, will you're manipulating me by your choice in the verb aware? Well, I'm also being honest with you about the process of choosing this verb. Here's what I mean. I read CNN's review of the testimony

yesterday of Michael Cohen, and this is the verb that CNN chose. Donald Trump was implicated by the testimony of Michael Cohen. Now, that is not small. That's not slight. That is certainly not semantics, that is designed to make the reader leap to a conclusion of guilt. If you are implicated in something, it is suggested that you are guilty of something. The weird thing about this case is we don't even know really guilty of what, of signing non-disclosure agreements, of being aware of these negotiations, those are not illegal. So implicated in what? A fraudulent bookkeeping charge designed, importantly now, to manipulate a presidential election?

I saw nothing in the testimony yesterday that implicated Donald Trump. Other verbs that are worthy of discussion and debate, and this is what should be happening. And I assume if there's any level of justice will be happening in the minds of the juror. Orchestrate. cover up, did Donald Trump orchestrate a campaign to shut down any stories negative to him that might interfere with his campaign for presidency? Did Donald Trump quarterback a cover up of how that money was spent inside of the Trump organization?

What seems to be established, what I think was accomplished yesterday by the prosecution, is that Michael Cohen's testimony might have suggested Donald Trump was aware of the negotiation of these NDAs, but it neither implicates nor quarterbacks nor covers up any sense that Donald Trump was hiding internally in his business the existence of these NDAs, which he may have been aware. Again, these are not semantics. Verbs are important for you and I to understand and how we're being manipulated when someone tells you a story, when the media tells you a story. But for a jury, those verbs lead us towards conclusions of innocence, not guilty, or guilt. Vivekramuswamy, former presidential candidate, who's also considered for the vice presidency,

is in that courtroom today. He says, no one can tell you, as he's in the courtroom, presumably posting on X. No one can tell you what exactly Trump is being prosecuted for. After this morning's testimony from Cohen, it's now less clear than ever. There was an hour of testimony establishing that Cohen was the one who submitted the invoices that he said were false. If there was one person who falsified business records, that's Michael Cohen, which leaves Trump's alleged violation less clear than ever.

And the choice of those verbs more important than ever. That takes us to number two. make boring great again. The crux of this case is not about whether or not there was the negotiation or existence of a non-disclosure agreement in DAs. The crux of this case is how those were recorded within the Trump administration and whether or not they were hidden from law enforcement or the FEC, the Federal Elections Commission, in covering up these stories. This is according to CNN's TikTok of the events yesterday, the testimony of Michael Cohen. Trump wanted the situation with Stormy Daniels to be under wraps until after the election, quote, because if I win, it will have no relevance because I'm president.

And if I lose, I don't even care. Trump said, according to Michael Cohen, making the payment. Cohen then said he spoke with Trump twice to get his sign off before making the payment. to Stormy Daniels using a company co-increated, essential consultants. He said he would never have gone forward to the bank without Trump's approval. He testified he also let Trump know he signed the agreement with Daniels. This is the boring part of the trial, but this is the important part of the trial. Like, what was negotiated?

Okay, so Trump was aware of the negotiations, but how was that recorded? This is fascinating if you understand the importance of boring. In early January, Cohen went to Alan Weisselberg, the CFO at the Trump Organization, about being reimbursed for the $130,000 he paid to Stormy Daniels. According to Cohen, they agreed Trump would pay him $420,000 in all, $130,000 to reimburse him for the payments to Daniels, $50,000 to reimburse him for unrelated tech services, $180,000 to account for estimated taxes. That's what people call it gross up. So he wants an X amount to come into his own personal bank account. So they gross it up for the taxes. So he doesn't essentially

have to pay the taxes himself. And a $60,000 bonus. The payments will be made over 12 months as like a legal services rendered since I was going to then be given the title of personal attorney to the president. So this is the crux of the case. Was that $130,000 reimbursement misclassified as legal services in order to hide the existence of the nondisclosure agreement. Well, here's my question for if I were sitting in the courtroom, if I were cross-examining Michael Cohen, if I were sitting in the juror. If the allegation is the $130,000 reimbursement to Michael Cohen was hidden in order to influence an election, my question would be, what about the $50,000 reimbursement for the payment of tech services? I'll read directly from CNN.

$50,000 to reimburse him for unrelated tech services. Well, those were part of this $420,000 payment. Were those therefore misclassified as a campaign use? Were those also not legitimately legal services? Is it all reimbursements that are not legal services or only some reimbursements that are fraudulent transactions? To me, the fact that there are two reimbursements inside this one payment for legal services inoculates one set of payments from the other set of payments being called fraudulent business transactions.

This seems to me like a normal course of business, and this is boring, but this is at the crux of this entire case. Make boring great again. Finally, number three, what kind of dude is Michael Cohen? You know, everything you hear in the testimony, everything you read, like, he's thinking you, unique creature, I would offer to you that he is a very native inhabitant of the Northeast. Now, I think that we have these kind of dudes in other parts of the country, but Michael Cohen is most definitely a northeastern slime ball, Chris Chris, deal-making, wannabe dude. Every piece of testimony is about how he wanted to insinuate himself into any Trump situation,

make himself more big time. He was always integral. He was the most important guy to Donald Trump. He was always spinning lies, puffing himself up. He was reportedly, according to Keith Davidson, the lawyer he negotiated with for the National Enquirer, despondent and depressed when he wasn't picked for Donald Trump's cabinet. And as I was reading this and reading about just how totally uncredible he is, how do you believe anything that's said by Michael Cohen? He's lied and lied and lied over and over again. Greg Jarrett writing in Fox, Fox News.com, had this to say about the situation prosecutors find themselves in. He said, Cohen presents the liar's paradox. The paradox is this. If a liar indeed lied, then his admission of his lies is truthful, unless, of course, he is lying about the

lie and everything else. You can never really know. The search for the truth becomes impossible. In a court of law, where the central witness is a chronic fabulous, the liar's paradox, equals reasonable doubt like you know if Michael Cohen walked in the room how you would feel you'd be like I don't trust this situation I don't trust him he would come at you very very confidently you know he would be big talking and maybe that would have some effect you know you'd be like oh this guy really knows what he's talking about this guy's legit he's big time but I think that lasts for a good half a minute I think that's 30 seconds and then your antennas go up Okay, in Texas and Dallas, this is Chris Chris. This is a deal-making dude. You know, what you've been up to, man. Oh, you know, I'm just working on deals, you know, got this big real estate deal over here, got this. Have you seen my new car? Check out my watch. It's a little bit, it's very in your face that way. In Cohen's case, it's older, because I think it's an older culture. It's been around for a while, and so he's a unique creature. They're more bombastic, more pugilistic, more in your

face, but still, what I'm getting at is whether or not you're from Orange County or you're from Florida, I know nothing about a guy like this from the Midwest. You have this guy. The bottom line is, after you get past all the bombast and all the deal making and all the big timeness, you realize this guy's full of it. I don't trust him at all. I would never want to be on his team. I think that's what kind of dude will come off to the jury. that is Michael Cohen. Here's my three takeaways from Michael Cohen's testimony to trial against Donald Trump. Chat GPT just went nuclear.

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anthropology, you know, or zoology. You know, you've got, you know, tigers, the big cats of India, right? And then, like, you know, how do they be different from the lions on the African savannah? There are similarities. We're not that different, all of us. You know what I mean? There's repetitions in human DNA and genetics. You ever notice that?

You see one guy, and you're like, I know that guy. Although he's a Texas version of that guy in New York. I see that all the time. I think it's fascinating. And I just can't figure out, though, like, if Michael Cohen is, I can see that he's the North East version, and I can picture the Texas version. The one dude I can't picture is the Midwest version of Michael Cohen, like the Chicago or Wisconsin version.

of Michael Cohen. I have the perfect way to break that down. Let's bring our lunch break panel. She is Charlie Arnold, the host of Outkick the morning, hit Outkick.com, and he's Ryan Glassbeagle and New York Post Sports and Entertainment Reporter. It's up, guys. What's going on? Hey, thanks for having me. Ryan, you might be the perfect guy to ask that, too. Like, if you said, Will, what areas of the country are you most culturally unaware? I would say, too. Prior to living for 15 years in New York, I would have said the Northeast. So what I mean by that is like New England.

I don't really know like Connecticut culture. I didn't. New Hampshire. But I've spent 15 years in the Northeast and I was five years at ESPN. So I got some sense of the dudes with their, you know, little lobster shorts and, you know, they're going for a clam bake or something like that. Like I'm getting who those dudes are. But the other pocket of the country I don't know is yours, like the Midwestern guy.

Like all the way from Ohio, up through Michigan, into Wisconsin, and down to Chicago. That dude, I don't know the archetypes. I don't know the prototypes. So, like, I can look at Michael Cohen and who he is, having lived in New York. And I say, I know that dude in Texas. So what is that dude like in the Midwest? He either were – I think there's a good chance that he works in logistics, like setting up someone needs. freight move from one place to another because you know that's a job where on one hand it seems

like it's kind of a commodity product but you really got to um you know sell your butt off to move it and there's a lot of companies that have a lot of kind of type a spinning male personalities who succeed in that profession oh you've got okay first of all i like this so that guy is let's be real we'll just cut today he's really good at bullshit and he's got a lot of type a salesmanship to him so much so that it is a total inability to to sort of parse the truth but i need just a little more color like in the midwest like what is that guy's image like what is he what is what's he driving what's he wearing i need to i just need a little more color on this dude well it's i need a little more color on this dude from chicago you know you can be out

For a whole weekend in the Midwest, no one ever asks you what you do. You just kind of like live separately from your career in many cases. And so it's, you know, I grew up in the Connecticut, New England region that you're talking about near ESPN. It's like very different there where I don't think you can be at dinner for a half hour and not have any idea what people do for a living. But yeah, I mean, he's just. If he's living in Chicago, he's probably in the West Loop or River North.

It's like a way station until he moves out to the suburbs, the northern suburbs, who belong to a country club, play golf there, and you'll never see him again. And, Charlie, this is your ideal boyfriend. You know, I'm from the Midwest. And there's a reason why I was single throughout living in the Midwest. and then now finally I'm on the East Coast and quite frankly these are more of my type of men. I like the men who very much lead. They're very dominant and they are comfortable talking about who they are and what they're doing in the world today. I would say that the

guy in the Midwest, instead of seeing him wearing a Rolex on his watch, he has a brightly on and he thinks that's the same thing. There is definitely levels to it. I think in the Midwest it's a little more understated, nothing wrong with it. But once you get to the East Coast the New York area, the L.A.'s and even, you know, where you're from in Texas, you see things a little more, I don't know. There's just, it's just, it's taken up a few notches. But yeah, definitely in New York, the guys are, are much different than they are in the Midwest. But it makes me laugh, well, because I've been watching billions. I just started watching billions, the show that I think it premiered on Showtime in like, what, 2015 or so. But I'm on

season three. I'm so wrapped up in it. And it's all about like these big wigs in the financial world. And, uh, Michael Cohen. I have such a disdain on the show for Chuck Rhodes. He's the attorney general for like the Southern District of New York. Michael Cohen is Chuck Rhodes. For anyone out there who is listening, you definitely know what I'm talking about. That show falls up. I got spoilers. But, um, you're, you're out about the peak of it. what's that oh i said the billions it gets a lot worse um it falls so into it yeah i love it i'm like obsessed right now i'm so sucked in so it's not a show that ever brought me in i'm i'm wrapped up right now in showgun on fx no no no i don't know there's too many shows it just i don't

never became the one that i i tuned tuned into too many shows but not enough good shows um i want to bring you guys into this i found this fascinating. So this is Bill Maher versus Bill Burr talking about where we are in the life cycle of cancel culture. Let's watch this together. And whenever that cancel culture got to the point of where it was, I don't like some of the topics in your stand-up act. Right. Yeah, that's when it got weird. But like, it's all over. It's all over. That's over. What's over? Cancel culture? Yeah, no one cares anymore. That's so not true. Either one of it could get canceled in the next two minutes no for what well if you're not doing anything it was just like you you did this joke about

you know this group of people or that group of people and i've decided to i you know it's i don't know i feel like i'm going back two years in my life like i don't even i don't even think about it anymore you know one of the things i do like that's club random is bill bar bill mar has no um he has no instinct in him that most human beings have i've talked this about this a lot on the show like there is a real guiding instinct among people to get along like it's really really powerful and we want to fit in we're herd animals that's why fear is so powerful being ostracized from the herd um he is just not afraid to say to bill burr there well that's completely wrong you know like just it's it's a record scratch in a conversation that most people

are unwilling to reach up and drag the needle across the record but i don't know who's right I've thought about this a lot. I actually don't know who's right here in the life cycle of cancel culture. I'll start with you, Charlie. So I am on, I'm kind of in the middle. I think that we are seeing a decrease in cancel culture. I definitely am seeing instances now where people aren't pushing back or trying to cancel people like they once were. I feel like at one point, you even did anything remotely wrong and people were coming for you.

And that was the end of it. And you had to be walking on such eggshells that it just felt. unnatural. Now I do feel like we're getting back. I see comedians being able to be funny again. You saw Shane Gillis on S&L a couple of months ago, whereas he was canceled from S&L years back. He came on. Finally, they invited him back on the show. And he just started off by telling jokes about handicapped people in like all different types of minority groups. And no one said a word about it. People were actually laughing in the audience for once on S&L these days. I do think it depends on the setting you're in, though. I think if

you are a comedian, for example, fine, you have a lot more leeway. I think that if you are a creator on social media, you might have a lot more leeway because you're playing to your audience. You might have people that don't like it, but those aren't the people that you're playing to and you don't necessarily care about their viewpoints regardless. I think that if you're in a corporate setting, you have to be a lot more careful. And I think that's where cancel culture still truly exists because you have so many different people that you have to play to and you have a corporate structure that dictates what you can and cannot do so if you go outside those lines that's where you can really get in trouble especially you know being in this corporate structure i

understand how it works and i still feel like most days i am in a sense even though i try to be myself as much as i can i do feel like i'm i'm walking on eggshells just a bit because i do not want to get in trouble um ryan this conversation was kind of around the context of Louis C.K. Bill Maher's like, when does Louis C.K. get to come back? He has been canceled forever under the banner of Me Too.

And if you do the relative nature of sins, his sin isn't sort of like capital punishment, death penalty, you never get to come back. Your career is dead level. So if cancel culture's over, we should be able to bring back Louis C.K.

Yeah, I mean, he's still, to my knowledge, boring and you know it's not like he can't book a venue but you're right he doesn't have a tv show like he once had and i do think that we might be nearing the statute of limitations on that but i wanted to bring up something which both of you guys have had experience with so um when when you both worked at ESPN could you have fathomed a time where a UFC pay-per-view would air on their airwaves. Granted, these are produced by UFC, not by ESPN, but Donald Trump gets shown coming into the arena to a raucous applause. So I think that, like, there's been

a vibe shift, but I wouldn't say that cancel culture is over. So I, you know, I have a different relationship with ESPN than a lot of my former colleagues. I would include Charlie, I think, and Sage Steel. You know, my experience with ESPN, and I will say, Charlie, and you can address this, I do think in a lot of ways I was a black sheep at ESPN. I mean, in every way, I was a black sheep at ESPN, but I was also an acknowledged black sheep. So, I mean, there was an article in the Washington Post about ESPN doesn't have a voice like mine. And so I think because of that, I mean, I guess the less flattering what to say is, was I a token? I don't think I was a token. I think that my position came with a certain

level of freedom that I did not feel inhibited, Ryan, in a lot of ways that other people have said they did feel inhibited. Now, I'd say this to Charlie, I don't know if those inhibitions were about point of view or also job. You know what I mean? Like, my job was to do what I did, you know? And Charlie, you were like, I remember you doing it being the moderator on first take, and that's a different job. You know, Sage was a host of Sports Center. That's a different job. Now, where you guys are definitely right and true

and what you guys had to say is people that had your job that had a different point of view were not shy about sharing those points of view, right? Where you would definitely have been dissentivized as someone who had the same job as, say, what was her name? A Michelle Beatle, you would have been dissentivized from doing the same things Michelle Beatle did

because your point of view was different where with me, if I look back at my time at ESPN, I was really never told I can't say something. I was told, I'm open to the honest about this at times on certain topics, I need to make sure I bring in all points of view.

That's the only level of censorship that I ever had. And it was always a point of view that differed from mine. Where I feel like if somebody had opinions that were different than mine, they weren't told, well, you should bring on Will to make sure you have another point of view. But anyway, so I don't, I don't know,

that's just kind of me responding to you bringing up ESPN. Where Donald Trump gets cheered loudly on ESPN airwaves? There was a window where I think the answer is no, Ryan. And I do think that window probably was around probably from 16 to, well, all the way through 20, probably, right? Probably in that time frame. The answer is probably no, Ryan. What do you think, Charlie?

Yeah, I mean, I think we are definitely seeing things shifting. Like I said, I don't think capsule culture has gone away. I think things got so extreme for a little bit that now people are more comfortable having a more open. I mean, I guess a more, you know, a debate that partakes in both sides. I think that you are seeing more of that now because people are just sick of one side getting shut down so often. And you only seeing things from one point of view and will to your point. when you were on ESPN, I do feel like you were the only person that really represented views from one side because when you came in, that was the understanding of that was who you were.

And they really wanted to embrace that because it's nice to have both sides of the debate present. And you offered a side that I don't think anyone else did. And I think that that's the reason why they didn't say anything to you, which I really, that's why I really enjoyed working with you all the time when I was able to because so often I didn't hear the same points of view that you were exhibiting. And I'm noticing now, though, that, well, on occasion, it's still present, depending on what the conversation's about. But for the most part, we're really only still hearing on ESPN's airwaves viewpoints

from, I guess, more of a liberal point of view. So moving beyond ESPN, I want to tell you guys something my producer said to me. I just want to see what you guys thought about this. this whole idea that cancer culture is dying, I think all my producers, tinfoil, Pat, young establishment James, two a days, Dan, they all said, no, it's never dies. It's always here. And, you know, I think that here at the Will Kane show, we have a pretty strong fidelity to free speech, a principled position, but we've also come to realize that don't trust people because whenever someone gets the power, all of a sudden they're not as faithful to free speech,

and they want to shut down others that disagree with them, left or right. And I just wonder if cancel culture is a little bit like free speech. It's whoever has the power is guilty of exercising cancel culture. And my guys are like, go back to the 90s, Will. They were shutting down. Well, if you can do it both ways. They were focused on the family and others were shutting down different musical artists, but Rush Limbaugh at the same time got canceled off of ABC ESPN.

So it's always been here. It just shifts hands back and forth by who has the power. The reason that cancel culture will never die and the reason why it has gotten blown to out to such extremes is because of social media and because people have access to witnessing things and recording them and posting them online instantly whereas they didn't before i mean back in the day i imagine all of the instances i'm i've probably had many situations myself growing up but in college where i've said and done things that if it were now probably could have been canceled over it might not have

the job in television that i mean i don't know uh it just probably depends on you know on on who was being the judge that day but now because everything that's said and done can be posted to the internet and go viral instantly you have like the people's court at all times and that's why cancel culture will actually never die because no one is able to do things privately anymore like everything is out there for the world to now judge and dictate whether or not you deserve to be punished what do you think right like taking it back to the 90s like that like you think you think it's always been around cancel culture this is actually not that new it's just little on steroids maybe because of social media

like the salem witch trials or McCarthyism or it does to your point switch like a pendulum based on who has the power and you know for a long time I kind of supported a TikTok ban but then I thought about it and I'm like well they're saying that this could be about you know foreign agents gaining access to our distribution channels. Does that sound like something they could use to apply to X, formerly Twitter, with Elon Musk, who is an American citizen but foreign-born? And could they make those same arguments

they're using to force a sale of TikTok to X? And in this kind of like, you know, reversion of cancel culture, I feel like X opening up and becoming this place of really unfettered free speech. And you can see some really grimy aspects of free speech. If you go into the replies of anything about Israel and Palestine on both sides, but as our friend Bobby Burak likes to say,

the solution to hate speech is more speech. And so I do think that right now cancel culture has abated, but you can never cancel cancel. culture. You know, it's funny you bring up to Salem Whist trials because talking about this canceling and Louis C.K., my producers are like, this is human nature. In the end, and that's what makes it interesting to me. Is it human nature?

Like, we have to ostracize somebody in middle school. There was somebody that got sent away from the lunch table, you know? And I don't know why we have to do that, but it's almost like by ostracizing people, we help define who we are. And Luis C.K., you talk about him selling out arenas. That's fine. But you know what? He's not on the Tom Brady roast. He's not invited to whatever to seem as mainstream still. He's still not back at the lunchroom table. And I just wonder what it is about us that says, we have to do this. We have to cancel people who will just take turns by whoever the cool kids are at the lunchroom table at any given moment in America. El Donato Trumpez, El Donaldo Trumpez, says on YouTube, People from the Northeast just generally better than everyone else. So that's in response to our different kinds of guys. No.

I want to do this quick. No, I agree. No. No. They think they are. They think they are. Everybody knows. Well, so do people in Texas.

We think we're better. I like that. You should. You should always think your people are the best. That's part of human nature as well. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's do this quickly. Growing up in the Midwest.

now I'm on the East Coast. I've got like the sweet, kind hardness of a Midwest girl, but then I also have like the pompousness of a northeasterner. So I feel like I've got like a little mishmash going on. I'm going to do this quickly because I don't think I fully understand it. I just know something big is coming going down. Like open AI put out their new thing. Chat GPT is moving into that level of her.

Did you guys see that movie with Joaquin Phoenix? Oh my gosh. Never thought it would come to that, but it has. I had not seen it's here where he has a well you should because it's really like a fortune telling style movie it's not the most entertaining movie but he falls in love with his AI system it's a feat it's Scarlett Johansson's voice

she knows him intimately they talk they have a conversation and these videos they're putting up right now with the new open AI which has like a Siri type effect it's pure conversational and it's crazy now that's one way for me to talk about this but the other way is I had a conversation with an executive at Fox today He said it like this, and he said, anyone who's not using this is an idiot. Like, this is changing jobs as we speak.

And I've never been a first adopter of anything. I'm just not. It's not who I am. But I feel compelled. Like, this thing, I think I need to get on it. I don't know how it needs to be involved in the Will Cane show, but I feel like it needs to. Like, I need to have a little Siri right here next to me that could fact check me as I go or something that I can talk to. I don't know yet, but it's going to be here, and I feel like I got to get in.

You won't need us as guests anymore, Well, you'll just be able to talk to your AI system and have a full-on conversation and you won't need us anymore. So your bookers will probably be really happy about that. Well, when I said that, Siri just popped up on phone to start talking to me. It is scary, though, because that movie that you're referring to, her, is from 2013. Now we're more than a decade later, and that really is coming to life. when I saw the video that you were referring to about like the real life AI that this guy who was doing a live demo

was talking back and forth with. I mean, it's no longer just as simple as you type in something. I mean, they hear your voice. They understand what you're saying. They even heard him breathing and were able to critique his breath work. I mean, it's getting very scary.

And I am, I have no doubts in my mind that already we're seeing a rate of singleness in our country that is growing by the years. Nobody wants to be in real relationships anymore. The birth rate is absolutely plummeting. I have no doubt the movie Her is actually going to come to life. And people are just going to say, you know what? Now I can stay home.

I can binge watch my Netflix all night long. I don't have to go out. I can order in DoorDash. Don't have to see anyone. Don't have to deal with anyone. And I'm just going to date my AI system. And they're going to be the ones who keep me company. We're going to become such an isolated society.

It's going to be disgusting. It is scary. where all of this is going. That's the dystopian part. Yeah. Like, you know, a few weeks ago, I was driving from Chicago to Detroit for the draft. And somehow my phone caught wind of the fact that I was going to do that. And it showed me an ad for like the firekeeper's casino in the middle of nowhere in that drive. Like it's two hours from where I am. There's eight casinos closer to it to me than it. And it showed me an ad because it knew that it would be on my route. And, you know, I'm very scared that these, like, AI systems are going to, like, steal my house or something.

Like, just, it seems like the ability for bad actors to use these tools for fraud are just going to be unlimited. And so I'm scared of that. And, yeah, I haven't used it for work because I vainly think that I'm a better writer than AI is. but I don't know for how much longer that's going to be true. I mean, seriously, I do think all those dystopian things that both of you describe, I think, are legitimate and real, but I also think you have to lean in because I don't think there's any stopping it.

And so you've got to figure out how to bend it to your will, how to make it useful, you know. Don't let it be a threat, make it be a tool. You talk about, Charlie, especially with the relationships people are having. I want to run this last thing by you guys. I found this fascinating. This is a Harvard poll of young people. And it asked them if they agreed with various sentiments.

And the big dividing line for them is interestingly politics. So more than gender, more than anything else, politics. And what I mean by that is the following. Listen, my generation is too soft. 28% of Democrats agreed with that. But 70%, 69% all right. Of Republicans agreed with that. You just keep going.

It's all the way men are too soft. It's 61 to 19. women are too promiscuous. 14% of Democrats agree, 46% of Republicans. Locker room talk, unfairly scrutinized, only 11% of Democrats agree, 43% of Republicans agree. It's just fascinating all the way you go down this culturally. And in a way, Ryan and Charlie, we know this kind of instinctually because this is actually what's playing out on social media. We see this debate, like of all the debates, I don't care about young, I don't mean to be dismissive.

I don't care about young people's political opinions because they change. And I speak from experience. You know what I mean? Like, how do young people feel about Trump? But I don't care. A, they don't vote, really, in very high numbers at all. And B, they change. So how do they feel about Israel, Gaza?

Does it matter? It's going to be a lot different in five years. But this stuff, this is fascinating. Like, fundamentally different views of culture. Based upon a right and left, a red and blue of America. This isn't like an original point, but I think that the right and left and the political parties have replaced religion in maybe my generation and younger. I think a lot less people are going and getting their like foundational values from, you know, church or temple or any type of religion. and that this is like kind of where these like spiritual allegiances have headed.

Yeah, I also think that a lot of the talking, I'm sorry. No, go ahead, Charlie. I was going to say, I think a lot of the talking points that people are picking up also come from social media and the different people that have big platforms on social media. Like, you know, you talk about how it's more of the Republican demographic that feels like men have gotten too soft. Well, who does a lot of that? come from. Andrew Tate preaches that and he has been for years now. He has such a big following

of young men who are now leading into that belief that young men are soft. And I'm also of that belief as well. And I think as far as like women are too promiscuous, he preaches the same thing. And there are many others like Andrew Tate who say the same things. But you find that it's more of those Republican or right leaning young men who are following creators like that, whereas you know, you have a lot of women who are obviously on the opposite spectrum and women as we know, tend to be more left-leaning than men do in general. So their stances on all of these topics would obviously be very different. And, you know, with social media, you opt into who you see.

It's not where, you know, we've, the monoculture that the three of us grew up with as recently as the 1980s and 1990s has eroded. Like think of how famous, famous people were then. and how few of them there were. And now think of how many more allegedly famous there are, but how much less recognized they'd be by wide swaths of the population. Well, here's all I was going to say to both of you guys on your points. So, like, Andrew Tate, is he a leading indicator or is he a lagging indicator?

So does he lead these men into these kind of polls? Or is he taking advantage that this sentiment already exists? and he is someone who is speaking to a group of people who feel underserved based on how they view their society and their generation. And then, Ryan, I wouldn't dismiss your point as unoriginal. I mean, you know, the thing is, like, we kind of know, and this is the unoriginal part, politics is replacing religion. But it's interesting, if that's the case, how we develop our religious doctrines then under the banner of politics. What are we worshiping, right? When we put politics at the center of the altar, and this is how we talk to each other or don't, what are the Ten Commandments?

You know, what are we worshipping literally when we're so pulling apart? Right now, it seems more like the worship is kind of negativity about the other side, more than kind of bowing down to like anyone's singular idol. although I do think, you know, Obama had a very fervent following, and I believe that Trump does as well. But, you know, just in terms of what you were asking about, like, Andrew Tate, it's like an algorithmic thing where these platforms know how long you spend with certain personalities or certain topics, and then they serve you more of them. They're all kind of, you know, their business model is maximizing your attention. and they've somewhat savvially realized that the way to maximize your attention is to rile you up. Yeah, I also think that when you ask the question, if Andrew Tate, for example, is a leading or lagging indicator, I think he's a little bit of both.

I think that he has taken advantage of the notion that there needs to be more of this, quote, toxic masculinity in the world. But he also has helped to lead that movement. because he's had the ideas, these ideas for years now, and he started building up a platform. I mean, he is pretty much you could mention Andrew Tate's name to anybody, and they would probably know who he is at this point. I think a lot of his followers are potentially men who grew up in a single-parent household,

only having a mother, maybe raised under one set of ideals, and realizing that there's a whole other world out there and they could be this different type of guy, and that's more who they want to embrace right now. And it's, it rubs off on you, too, because that's kind of getting back to the foundations of who men used to be. And I think a lot of people got to a point

where they're thinking, oh, this isn't okay or isn't acceptable for a man to act like this. And a lot of that masculinity has been passed on into the hands of a lot of women these days. And I think men are now realizing, especially like you look at the frat boys on the University of North Carolina Chapel Hills campus, when they finally stood up to those protesters

lifting up the American flag. They're being celebrated now. And I think there was a while point in time in which they wouldn't have been celebrated. But just back to the idea of cancel culture, coming full circle, some of that is disappearing and being celebrated more. Well, if this is becoming religious, and I think we can agree, I'm speaking not the three of us,

but I hope that we as society can agree that all of these tenants are true. All of these problems are real. Men are too soft, but we can pick a better savior, a better central religious figure than Andrew Tate. Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm not putting him up on a pedestal. I'm just mentioning him as being someone that everybody knows. No, you're right.

You're right. But it shows the importance of finding someone who can be strong and virtuous and good and uncancellable. All right, I got to go, but I was told before the show, I know at least Ryan has a take on whether or not you're supposed to be wearing concert shirts to the conference. concert. Well, I'm going to be going to Dead & Co in Las Vegas this week, and I can guarantee you there's going to be thousands of people, maybe with some gray in their beard, breaking that

rule, and I intend to be one of them. My whole philosophy on life is do whatever you want that makes you happy as long as you're not infringing on the happiness of others. I saw this meme earlier this week on X where, like, this woman took a photo of a man in an airport who like had the audacity to wear new balance shoes with adida's pants and a Nike shirt like he was like you know deserve to be like thrown to a penal colony for five years and it's like he's getting on to an airplane and you don't know if it's going to be 25 degrees too hot or 25 degrees too cold let him live yeah and will you know that there's like well okay i'm with you stores that are selling like hold on charles and roses t-shirts i'm with you Ryan

I'm with you, but I also want to be able to judge you, if you're wrong. So here's the thing. Here's the key. Like, I get to have fun judging you, but I want to do what I want, so you should do what you want as well. It's just when you're overly trying. Like, if you're going through the whole process of like, I don't know, is this a rule? I shouldn't wear my shirt to the concert. Then you've already, you stepped wrong.

You're off on an uncool. You just, you're off. So I'm a big Cody Jinks fan. I'm going to wear the shirt to the Cody Jinks concert, Charlie. Is it a vintage or is it, did you just buy it for this concert? Because vintage t-shirts are always cool. I don't care what anyone says. It's probably worse than that.

I probably had it like six years. So it's not old enough to be vintage and not new enough to be. I think, you know what? If you have something for six years these days, that says a lot about your loyalty to that particle of clothing, I call it vintage. Clothes don't last that long. They fall apart before that. no yeah oh i don't quit on a good thing's built to last i uh i have an old brittney spears concert

t-shirt that i still i don't wear it but it's still at my mother's house and i'm going to have it for life and i i guarantee one day when i put that back on like as an older woman i'm going to have people stopping me on the street where did you get that shirt that's the coolest thing ever so rock it speaking as someone who has a brittier's shirt from target i can confirm that you will get comments on it. All right, Ryan Glassbeagle of the New York Post and Charlie Arnold of Outkick the morning. You guys can check them out and should check them out.

Charlie at Outkick, Ryan at the New York Post. Thank you both for being on the Will Cane Show. Thank you for having us. All right. So let's bring in the crew in just a moment here on the concert shirt. Was that wrong? Next on the Will Cain Show. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty,

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tinfoil pat young establishment james and two a days dan which one of you told me that it might have been wrong what i did i was dan i brought it up because it's always been a funny conversation i've had with my friends that you get made fun of if you wear a concert tea to a band's concert and so i thought it was kind of funny that you had done it so therefore where I brought it up. All right, here's a picture of me at Cody Jenks on Saturday night. Standing there with Cody.

Yeah. Big fan. Entire family is, by the way. Entire family is. And I wore, yeah. It's a shirt from a previous album, two or three albums ago, I'd say. It's probably, it's actually more like seven or eight years old. That kid's towering over you.

And I wore it to. Yeah, that was a lot of comments on my son. He's in the foreground a little bit. There's a little bit of a semicircle going on there. He's got at this point two inches on me. He does. I'm almost 6'2, and yeah, he's got two inches on me. Easy.

And I don't think he's done. And I think the other one, the younger one, is going to be even taller. So perfect size for soccer. Cody Jinx's dad said to him, hey, do you play basketball? He's like, no, sir, I don't. He's like, well, that's a shame. I'm curious what the other guys think, though. Well, I'm curious what Tinfoil has to say,

because he's kind of like, if I ranked counterculture music aficionados on the show, my rank he would go like this. Dan, you are number one. You are closest to hipster, have flirted with hipsterism throughout your career. You've probably teetered back and forth. You liked Green Day, but not once they went mainstream. You know what I mean? You liked it

when they were a garage band. You're nailing me right now. I've gotten you nailed. Oh, my God. This is insane. And then once everybody else likes them, you've got to move on and kind of sneer at them. But if I ranked them, and then Patrick is number two. But his is a different version style of it. Patrick's is from the right. So he doesn't like it if it's too acceptable. by the mainstream. He's not even concerned with the left. He's more concerned with mainstream watering down something that's unique and interesting. And he's off the grid. Like the band he's talking about never makes it to the center. You know what I mean? They never get cool, so he doesn't have to worry about looking down his nose at him. He can actually support them

for the rest of his life because nobody else has heard of them. Did I know you, Patrick? effects albums you know like they were they weren't quite as big as green day but um yeah i never liked green day because they were too mainstream so you kneel you'll kneel me to a tea um as far as the shirt thing there's me by the way i come in third we'll come back to the t-shirt real quick i come in third i am you know will's into country but he doesn't want to do nashville country too much so he's got his texas country and you know he's trying to zig to the zag a bit. And then there's just James. And James is a

driver down the fairway. James is, James is, he's right, you know, he's establishment James. I love me some Morgan Wallen. Love me some Luke Combs. Of course he would. Love me some Eric Church. Of course he would. Yeah, I like

all those guys, by the way. They're great. Here's a question real quick. When it comes to country music, I'm from Connecticut, right? Am I, is it, you know, lame for me to like country music? Because I'm not from the country like you in Texas. Like is that kind of like impostery? Is it okay?

Like if I started wearing cowboy boots and stuff? Yeah, right. I feel like I'm kind of like, you know, jumping into something that it shouldn't be. I think there are styles of cowboy boots you could adopt. And I could advise you through that where you would be still, you know, you're not, you're not clearly putting on the costume of cowboy, but you're going a little more blue collar. But no hat. You know what I mean? Well, so one of my friends there at Fox is very into country.

And I got him the open road hat because he wanted a hat. Do you know what the open road is? I think so. It's a very hipster cowboy hat. Yeah, yeah. It's the LBJ hat. Cut down brim, more circular. All right, tinfoil.

Where are you then as number two in the rankings on whether or not I should have worn that? Cody Jinks concert shirt to a Cody Jeeke's concert I think you're okay as long as you wear a shirt from

that's an older shirt so like you can't go to the concert buy a shirt from that tour and wear that at the same the same show but I think that if you have an older one that's okay you know that's different

there are you know slight level to this, I think. Now, James, you're young, but you're also straight down the fairway. So the fairway sodomy says you do it if you took the time to take off your vineyard vine shorts and your collared country club membership shirt. But the young side of you says you're going to judge it real harshly. Yeah, probably not going to take the time to buy the shirt. I'd rather just buy another too tall boys.

What was that? I already had the shirt. Oh, okay. I'm not going to judge it too harshly if you already have it. He tried to be so cool. You tried to be so cool right there. Yeah, he did. He did.

It was just terrible. It was terrible. Who's your favorite artist right now that you would go see right now? like would you wear their gear to that right now your favorite I don't think I'd wear a Morgan Wallen shirt to his concert there you go there's the answer that's your number one by the way Morgan Wallin's your guy he's probably pretty close

probably like a nice little rotation him shoulders he's angling for something right now but I'm just you know if I were to go to the Walton concert it'd be your best khakis iron down just doing an image right now he's trying to Think about what he's saying, and he's putting out an image of young establishment, James, that he wants out there. That's what's going on right as we speak right now. That is not true. Wrong.

Or two to get some, I'll probably give myself two more tall boys. Well, just economically speaking, that's a better use of $30. Well, I'll let you know. Maybe I'm going to Morgan Wallen on Friday. Maybe I'll wear a Morgan Wallen t-shirt to Morgan Wallen on Friday. I'll let you know. You can let me know right here in the comment section here at the Will Cain show on YouTube or on X at Will Kane, Instagram, C Wilcane. I hope you'll subscribe.

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