Will Cain Country - Top 3 Revelations From Stormy Daniels' Testimony!

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

Story #1: What are the consequences of mass migration? A loss of a sense of self in society. A loss of sense of social cohesion. A loss of fundamental values like free speech. A loss, in the end, of culture. A conversation with founder and co-host of Lotus Eaters and host of Sargon Of Akkad on YouTube, Carl Benjamin (AKA Sargon of Akkad). Story #2: Three revelations from the testimony and cross examination of Stormy Daniels in Donald Trump’s trial in New York. Story #3: Texas, Carolina, or Kansas City? What’s the best barbecue? Will breaks it down with the founders of Masterbuilt and BBQ pit masters, The McLemore Boys (John, Sr and John, II).   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're going to have a conversation a little bit later with my friends, the McLemore boys, John and John 2. Fascinating entrepreneurial story about creating master built. And they'll help settle that debate between Texas, Kansas City, and Carolina. And stick in as well as I break down for you the three biggest revelations coming out of the testimony and cross-examination of Stormy Day. Daniels. But let us start with the fall of Western civilization. Let us start with the consequences of mass migration. Let us start with story number one. Carl Benjamin is also known as Sargon of Akkad. He's the founder and co-host of Lotus Cedars, the host of Sargon of Akad on YouTube, and he joins us now on The Will Kane Show. Thanks for being here, Carl.

Many thanks for having me. It's a real pleasure. Who is Sargon of Akkad? He was an ancient Mesopotamian emperor that I used as just, I'm quite old. So back in the early days of the internet, you didn't use your real name online, and I just hadn't got out of the habit by the time I started a YouTube channel, and had I known that it was going to grow into anything significant, I would have just used my proper name. Why was this ancient Mesopotamian leader your inspiration?

Why Sargonne of Akad? It's just a cool figure, to be honest, because he's the first proper emperor in history, and we don't know that much about him, but apparently he was very victorious. So it was just something I found interesting, really, no particular significance behind it. just the first emperor not the last um i want to start with current events car if we could i think it'll be a great window into a deeper conversation about what i don't think is a hyperbolic statement the fall of western civilization i want to start if you wouldn't mind in germany um story out of germany where a politician named marie terese kaiser of the alternative for germany party

tweeted or posted on social media back in 2021, that Afghans in Germany are particularly, feature particularly high levels of gang rape activity. Now, as part of this, Kaiser included data, government confirmed, government published data, this was a post in August 2021, where she linked to, foreigners as misrepresented in half of all gang rape cases. For that, by the way, now, she has been prosecuted. She has been fined $6,000 and will have a criminal record in Germany. Now, I think you can attest to this. No country, really not just in Western civilization, but across the globe, holds free speech in quite the same esteem as the United States of America.

Every other country seems to have embraced the idea of hate speech. But this is a shocking level of censorship and repressing prosecution of the cultural value of free speech, when one would think republishing government data would be something that would be culturally embraced as free speech. One thing I think people in the English speaking world don't realize is that free speech is actually a very Anglo-valu. you. Outside of the English speaking world, it just isn't something that people generally support. And so we,

as English speakers, take it as a given that, of course, it's our right to speak, because it's our tongue in our head. And we have the God-given right to do that. But that's just not the case. Most other places in the world, and actually, the history of

power dynamics is the history of repression and censorship of unpopular ideas, because they threaten the status quo. And Germany is actually no different in that. The interesting thing in the modern era is actually this repression is being done in the name of liberalism, because especially in the case of Germany there, if you point out that a particular kind of person has a particular propensity to commit crime on average

higher than other groups, then what you're saying is that all people are not the same. And that's actually one of the core principles of liberalism is that, no, we are all the same. And we are all just blank slates, and we actually come from this hypothetical kind of abstract original man. And so if you point out, well, this group doesn't appear to be following that pattern, they're not the same as everyone else, then the whole superstructure that's been built on top of this assumption becomes suspect. And the questions then start getting raised. Okay, well, why are there loads of Afghans in Germany who have a higher propensity to commit sexual crimes? And on and on and on, and suddenly all of the decisions that have been made in the sort of last

half of the 20th century becomes suspect. And so I think it's just far easier for the German government to censor and prosecute, even if it makes no sense. Yes. I also think there is the condition, the little devil that sits on the shoulder of humanity that is not unique to the non-anglo-speaking world, that that devil exists within the soul of the Anglo world as well, that aspires to yell shut up at anything that they disagree with, that anything they dislike. And it's, it makes me concerned. In the United States of America, there's two levels to this kind of embrace of free speech.

There's literally the governmental lawful enforcement of it through the Constitution of the United States. But then there's also the cultural embrace, you know, the idea that most people walking around America thought, yeah, even though I don't like what you have to say, I will defend to the death your right to say it. That has been completely lost. And I think that's, we can see that in America with our neighbor, but you can see it in the rest of the Anglo world, meaning the UK, Canada, Australia, where there really is no culturally similar belief about free speeches is held in the United States. yeah the united states is definitely unique in the fact that it hasn't codified into the constitution but i think you are right to point out that the real constitution exists inscribed on the hearts of men and if they don't believe the things that they ought to believe in that regard

then the very notion of it will just become eroded away through non-legal means even if legally and technically they have that protection we see this in the chilling effect of cancel culture now Nothing illegal has been done when you're deleted from a social media platform or your bank account is taken away from you or something like that. These companies are actually well within their legal rights to refuse service if they want. It's just such an unusual, or it was such an unusual social norm that this just didn't occur. And so no legal protection was set up for this. And this actually happened recently in the United Kingdom with Nigel Farage, where his bank tried to shut him down for the fact that he wasn't woke.

and the conservative government, one of the few conservative things they actually have done, is to step in and say, well, hang on a second, to exist in modern society people need bank accounts. Actually, maybe that shouldn't be allowed. And the bank has rolled that back, but the ever-looming specter of that still hangs over all political discourse. At some point, institutions that we assumed were non-political can become engaged and become political and just roundly de-platform people, even if it's not the state persecuting you. So I think actually in the modern world,

because it's the speed of communication that's the problem, and really with social media is responsible for this, because it's very difficult to create such an amount of noise around a person that a company feels that they have to then take an action or else face a consumer boycott or something like that. This is something that's quite new, and I think it is the technology that's facilitated this. I think the law actually needs to catch up on this one.

Because to exist in the modern world, you do have to have electronic bank accounts, credit cards. You have to be able to access the internet. You have to be able to communicate with other people. And this is just one of those cases where we need to be sensible and serious about this and say, well, no, everyone has a right to participate in society, no matter how unpalatable their opinions might be. Well, the reason that I focus, as you so eloquently put it, on the Constitution inscribed on the hearts of men, and the reason that I focused on the separation between the United States and the rest of the Anglo world, after you rightfully focused on the separation between the Anglo world and the rest of the world and how they see free speech, is that I see the UK and Canada

and Australia as a bit of a canary in the coal mine for what could be and most likely will be coming to the United States of America. I don't think we're exempt, and I think our embrace of free speech is under great threat. But I look at what's happening, for example, in Canada. And this is another current event to draw your attention to, you know, where they've introduced the Trudeau administration has introduced the online harms bill C63. Many people are talking about this. Jordan Peterson has spoken out about it. On one hand, people are suggesting the most outrageous part of this.

is that it is retroactive. So if you at any point in your life have posted something hateful, hateful will remain undefined, but if you have posted something hateful, and then it is published, quote unquote, published later by a retweet, if it's determined that you had the ability in the interim to delete that post, then you are going to be held responsible for the reposting of that. But others have pointed out, Carl, it's not the retrospective that's so,

That's so nefarious, the spectator wrote this up. And it was pointed out, if the courts believe you are likely to commit a quote-unquote hate crime or disseminate hate propaganda, again, not defined, you can be placed under house arrest and your ability to communicate with others restricted. So you can be held responsible if this bill were to be adopted in Canada for everything you've said in the past and everything you may say they suspect you may say in the future. We're moving beyond hate speech into hate thought. Yeah, this isn't the first example of this either. Scotland also introduced a kind of hate crimes bill. I can't remember the exact name of the legislation off the top of my head, but it would allow the state to prosecute you for things that you said in your own living room.

If somehow they were to gain knowledge of what you had said, possibly, I don't know, through your mobile phone, always listening to you or something like that, if an AI algorithm went through it and caught you saying something, or it could just be reported by a family member, you could face similar punishments, not quite that extreme, but you could still be prosecuted and find yourself of the criminal record. I mean, this is the sort of thing that used to be the subject of 20th century dystopian fiction,

but is now becoming 21st century technological reality. And again, it's one of those things where the technology is just getting so far ahead of what we're actually cognizant of really the danger. I mean, it always seemed ridiculous that there would be a telescreen in Winston's front room that would listen to and see everything that he was doing. But no, no, no, no, no, we're actually there now. Everyone's got an Amazon Alexa in their households.

Well, I don't, but a lot of people do. Well, this device, it turns out... Your phone, to your point, listens. It's constantly listening. And it turns out that this wasn't, a problem. If there wasn't an executive managerial class of people who weren't prepared to take advantage of that, or at least if they were going to take advantage of it, then at least just be giving me tailored adverts on my Facebook feed or something. But when it comes to

now, note, they're going to legislate your ability to think and say things out of existence and actively punish you for it. Then it becomes a clear and present danger to the average citizen. And this kind of level of managerial control is really, it's unprecedented, because they've never had this kind of access to the individual citizen before. And AI especially is going to allow them to be able to filter through the undoubtedly billions of conversations that they'll have to track in order to find the ones that they particularly hate. And this is just something that nobody really thought was going to become a reality, and yet here we are. So we as citizens should be taking this very, very serious.

And the not insignificant detail that I offered in that setup of the Canadian law, that hate always remains undefined, increasingly, as illustrated in what happened in Germany, is hate can be defined as an accurate description of reality, what is happening in Germany, what is happening in the UK, what is happening in Ireland, what is happening in America. And so let's get to some of the substance of what is happening, at least in Europe. And I know in your estimation at the hands of, or at least in part, at the hands of mass migration. Yeah, I saw this just in the last day or so, Carl, I saw that in England, less than 20% of a Muslim adults are in full-time employment. Now, this is a stat from 2011, so we'll acknowledge that it's 15 years old. And it does include an age group that extends from 16 to 72. Now, it has also focused on full-time employment, not part-time employment. Now, all these things I'm qualifying, I think, are to be honest, perhaps, about the limitations

on the value of the statistic, but they don't dismiss the value of the statistic. You could say that Muslims are disproportionately younger, so they would be disproportionately not full-time employed if they're 16, 17, 18 years old. And again, it could have changed over the last 15 years. But the overall British population at that time had a full-time employment of 35 percent, again, compared to 19.8%. What is going on when it comes to mass migration in the UK? Mass migration in the UK was put upon the British people without their consent.

At no point did any party run on a policy of increasing the amount of immigration into the United Kingdom, let alone increasing it to the extent that it has been done to us now. So in 1997, Tony Blair's new Labor government came in, and again, without the permission of the British public, decided to increase migration into the UK to a net of about 300,000 roughly a year for about 10 years. Now, for a country of what was in England, 55 million people, that was a massive amount. And in the succeeding time, Tony Blair left office, I think it was 2007, and the Labour Party left in 2009, and in 2010, we got the Conservative Liberal Democrat Coalition, and then Conservative majorities up until this point. And immigration has only gone up in that time. In fact, it's become ridiculous. The Conservatives last year let in, I think it was 1.4 million new people into this country. And so the population of England now is somewhere around 70 million.

It's hard to know exactly because there are a lot of people who are not simply captured on the census. Because you can visit this country. And if you have large immigrant population areas, then people can illegally stay in them. with friends, family members and people that they know, without the government being aware of it. For example, in 2011, one of the supermarket chains here pointed out that they think that they're feeding a country of about 80 million. So it could be there are many, many millions of people staying here that we just don't know about. And what this does is it really changes the nature of the country. When you have a relatively small, but ancient and settled,

culture and you introduce lots of people who are just strangers to that culture that change it's like putting a drop of water in oil it changes things and you see the the oil moves away from the water because the people are just not familiar with one another they just don't know how to expect the other people to act and then when you bring in another million the next year and then another million and another million this this is the phenomenon of white flight this is why it because people are just not comfortable in their own towns and cities anymore. And so they are constantly fighting this losing battle to find somewhere they can just feel that things are expected and normal and predictable around them.

And it's come to the point where even now quite small and rural towns have got a significant number of immigrants living in them. And you just think, well, when did we ask for this? This is something that's been done to us. And the argument is always made, well, this is for a... the economic benefits of it. But as you pointed out, if most of them aren't working, then they're not contributing to the economy. Not that I think that would be a justification anyway, but it fails on its own merits. Because actually, the government has done a study

recently, and they think that in the next 10 years, they're going to have to raise taxes by 100 million pounds. No, it was 100 million. I think it was 100 million pounds in order to pay for the expenses that this excess immigration is costing, because we have lots of social services. We have the national health service. We have various benefits services and social housing. And these are accessible to anyone who comes to the country. It wouldn't be so much of a problem, at least economically, if the national services that we had were national services. But actually, because we've got such porous borders, they've become international services. We've got a lot of health tourism. We get a lot of people coming here, literally breaking

into the country. And you'd think because we were an island, this would be rather difficult to do. but no, they just sail across the English channel on dinghies now to claim our benefits. And so I get to pay for these random people who claim to be refugees and they say, well, where have they come from? You get people like Albania, okay, there's no war there. You've got a whole list of countries where there's just no war.

The only refugees that we've taken that were legitimate are ones from Ukraine. And actually, we were happy to take them because they were actual refugees because Russia had invaded. But all of these other refugees, 90% single men, the way, by the government's own figures, are clearly some kind of grifters who have come

here just because we've got money and they know it and we know it. And then, so when you go down to, say, the benefits office, you can see the people in there and, well, they're not natives. And so it's really on every level having a dramatic effect on our country, the social level and an economic level, and the level of sort of political morale as well. Because at no point do people actually feel themselves being represented until very recently, all of the top positions in the constituent nations of the United Kingdom were occupied by ethnic minorities. Now, that's not such a bad thing or anything like that. That's not something that I would normally complain about, except none of these people were

elected for those positions. What would happen is a white British person was elected in a normal general election, and then they would do something that would get them desalienable. elected by their own party, and then their party would put up an ethnic minority person to fill that gap. Now, again, in isolation, that's not a bad thing. But then when the entire political upper stratum of the United Kingdom is filled by ethnic minorities, and you have left-wingers constantly going, ah, but representation matters,

representation matters, well, okay, it does matter, then. So why is it that Britain has an unelected Indian prime minister? Why is it that Scotland has an unelected Pakistani prime minister? Why is it the Wales has an unelected African first minister? Why is it that the case? And so people not only are suffering from a kind of cultural malaise where they feel under massive demographic pressure, not only is the economy failing,

so our high streets are just falling apart, it's abominable to see what's happening to the average British high street, but they also feel completely politically disenfranchised because they're not being ruled by people, people who are like them or the people that they even chose in the first place. Again, it's not a problem that they are ethnic minorities, but in isolation in abstract, but the fact that they weren't elected and the fact that they don't represent the interests, or seem to represent the interests of the common person, combined with all of these other factors, make us feel that we're just in a collapsing country and that things have got completely out of our control and we don't know what to do. well you point out the effects of mass migration on the economy on politics on social cohesion on crime i want to focus for one more moment on economy it's not just the uk this is happening all across europe uh that last statistic i gave you by the way was from the 2011 census is published in the guardian

this here is from the economist um this shows what's happening in denmark and this shows the net um this shows the net contribution tax benefits versus tax contribution of various constituencies within Denmark. If you're of Danish origin, you contribute more than you take away from the government. And you can see here, if anyone's listening, several different lines on this graph, the one line that falls far below in terms of non-contributions fiscally, economically, to the government in terms of taxes and benefits received is what's called Mina P.T. It's Middle Eastern and North African, Pakistan, and Turkey. And it shows that at no point in the lifespan of these immigrants do they become economic net assets to Denmark. But here's the thing, whether or not

you're pointing out, Carl, the economic effect, or you're pointing out the political effect, you know, this conversation is always dismissed as racist or white. supremacist or xenophobic or whatever, whatever, you know, ad hominem attack is made against it. But it seems to me it brushes past some obvious truths. And those truths are culture exists. Culture exists. There are distinct cultures. Cultures are not always of equal values. Cultures have their own unique values that are of more value to them to other cultures. And when you, as you point out, start messing with the culture in terms of who here holds the same values that founded this society, who here holds the same values as what we've maintained

for centuries in this society, then you are, you are like arrogantly just shaking the snow globe of society. You have no idea what the outcome will be, and it's not good enough to yell racist when you're experimenting on society in such a foundational and fundamental way. 100%. And it's also incredibly disrespectful to suggest that any kind of people don't have the right to belong to a cultural group. Because I mean, in eras before, the one we're in now, this was just taken as a given that there were peoples, as in these were the Goths, these were the Franks, these were the Romans, and they have different kind of civilizations, they're different kind of cultures. Nietzsche had a great way of framing it. Each people has its own language of good

and evil that the others don't really understand. And that's a fantastic way of framing it because that's genuinely how things actually are in real life. Because the problem I think at the moment is the runaway dominance of liberalism as a philosophy. Because liberalism begins in a particular kind of thought experiment and actually doesn't really represent the world. It assumes that there was a kind of pre-social man who didn't have all of the morals, the cultural habits, the values, and the norms that come with being in a society, you know, the way that people say good morning to each other, or the way that people just tip or something like that in the United States, whatever it is, all these small cultural accumulations that we carry with us over time.

Well, they assume that those aren't a poor part of what it is to be human. But the problem with that is that no one's born outside of a society. And so every single person is born and raised within a society and brings, it learns the language of good and evil that their own society has, whether they want to or not. You can't change that. Everyone is exactly the same. And the society you're bringing to you carry with you everywhere you go. And this is really something that you notice in Britain because of accents. I've got quite a neutral southern England accent.

But if I came from anywhere else, and people would hear it instant. They would know my client. status, the point of my origin, the kind of background I can be expected to have had. And it's the same for all other peoples everywhere else in the world. And so to suggest, well, we can just get

everyone is actually not a product of our own civilizations and we can just bring them in and expect them all to just get along in the social contract. Then this is... Right. It's to say the peoples don't matter.

The groups don't matter. It's to say that this isn't a real thing about but it is it is real it is it is so fundamentally patronizing not just to the the the culture that you represent or i represent but the culture that you're pretending to champion as well um because you're denying the existence the fundamental foundational existence of civilization the society um the way of life and um you just have to run the thought experiment in reverse so i'm i live in and i'm from Carl, you know, we have mass, illegal and legal immigration in Texas, largely from the South, from Mexico or South America, right? And if you were to point out, well, there's a changing nature to Texas, then you, oh, what are you, racist, you're xenophobic.

But if it went in reverse, I promise you, the Mexican culture would be like, why are you, no, this is not going to work for Mexico. We have our own distinct culture, and you're changing it. Or more obviously, if the immigration of the UK were to work in reverse, if you were to move to, to Saudi Arabia and say, and how about this thought experiment, the liberal who, and you fly your trans flag and you talk about all those values and you want to change that culture. How do you think that would be received? And so, it's, I don't know if it's unique to sort of the liberal ideology within Western culture, but it's, it's not symmetrical. It's a denial of the existence of civilization and societies and ways of life. And it's asymmetrical. And I don't know the reason

for that asymmetry other than self-loathing like we hate our own culture I mean or just sheer ignorance I actually I actually do think this is a feature of liberalism as a philosophy

and those places that are non-liber obviously don't hold this philosophy and you see it only where people are or have a commitment to liberal philosophy you see it in Europe because after World War II the the liberal West one

World War II on our side of the globe. In the East, you of course had communism. But it seems to be only the Liberal West that really believes this. And I think it's because of the way that liberalism constructs itself philosophically. Like I just explained, the idea

of the sort of pre-social man. And this is why in all of the times and in all the places, people are essentially just tribes. They are peoples. They have relationships with other peoples. And this is what the sort of national stereotypes are really And this is why they're useful as well, because it makes people predictable to one another.

You know, I've traveled a lot around Europe. I lived in Germany for eight years. The Germans just aren't like us. And when I say us, I mean the English-speaking peoples. It's not that they're bad. They're actually really nice people. They're really diligent. They're very polite.

They pay their bills. They, you know, they're never hostile to you when you're walking down the street or anything like that. But you can tell they're just not the same because they have strange cultural habits. cultural habits. And they'll say strange things when you say, oh, I don't know why you would have said that. But they do because they're just not like us. And that's fine. You know, we, we have a cultural stereotype of them. They have a cultural stereotype of us. And it makes, it makes us familiar to one another. And so that's, I mean, it's even real quick to, sorry to interrupt, Carl. It's even in, I'm sure, in your country in mine. I mean, you know,

I lived in the Northeast for a while. They're different than us down here in Texas, you know? And I know the provincialism of UK, you guys divide everything by family and region and accent and every which way. Yeah. And I've traveled a lot around the US as well. And I tell you, man, I really enjoyed Texas because there's a sense of relaxation in Texas. And especially between like the races in the United States, I felt so much more racial tension in somewhere like New York or California than I did in Texas. In Texas, everyone was just really chilled out, whereas I could feel the tension in other places. And so, but this is the point, isn't it?

It's to say that different peoples are different, and it's actually not helpful to not recognize that. And it actually really does have a detrimental effect on social cohesion and just society in general, if you can't perceive that. But the liberal mind rejects that, and literally, as you say, stigmatizes that as being racist. It's not, it's not really about race or anything like that. It's about lots of different things, but it's also about just accepting reality. It's reality as it really is, and as we all actually experience it, and everyone knows that it's true. We act as if it's true. When an Algerian walks through the door, we don't act the same as when a Chinese man walks through the door.

We know that they're from different places. We know they have different cultural habits. Two random examples, you know, when a Mexican walks through the door, you have different expectations. And so we're just lying to ourselves. We say that this isn't the reality of the thing. That seems the key to me. So, you know, the great idea of the United States of America, by the way, while Carl was talking, a shot popped up on our video feed of the McLemore boys who are coming up in just a moment here on the Will Cain show to talk about barbecue.

But it's the denial of reality because the great experiment of the United States, Carl, was that it would be a melting pot. It wasn't the denial of an American culture. it was we can take the best from every culture and we can make it something that creates this superior you know and by the way when we say superior it's not like that's the very essence of it's not racist it's like we're all like our own little venture capital company we know we've got our core founders we've got our core

yeah and we're going to add to it but but when you pretend that none of that exists there was no original culture and there aren't pluses and minuses and by the way there are pluses to other cultures that are better there are ways that other cultures are better than my culture and there are ways that my culture is better than other cultures right and so when you measure it all out you can make coherent decisions about what's best for society but when you pretend none of it exists and you just flood and say oh don't be you know we're all the same no one knows where this will be headed no one knows what this will do but i i saw some stuff you do some good stuff uh and i the main thing you talked about that my takeaway in the end is we can talk about about crime, we can talk about the economy, we can talk about politics, but the loss of a sense of social cohesion that people can walk around feeling connected to one another is the deepest, it's the deepest part of this. If we don't start acknowledging the existence of social

cohesion, you don't have a society. No, what you have is a social contract where you have, who was it, the describe them as, I think it was John Locker described them as a society of rational devils. As long as they're all rational, this society will work for a society of evil people, as long as they will follow the same rules. And it's like, okay, but then all I have at the end of that is a society of evil people. I don't actually want to be surrounded by a bunch of people who I think might be evil. I'd like to be surrounded by a bunch of people who I know are good, actually. And that requires us to know one another and not be strangers to one another and actually care. I mean, one phenomenon that's been remarkable on social media is instances of

horrific crimes being committed to people on public transport and no one intervened but there was an example in philadelphia a few years ago but a woman who was raped by man on the subway train and no one intervened um that that's unthinkable in almost any other society that's not a social contract society that's not a well the rules of this and i'm just going to do that people would feel moral obligations and i'm sure many people did but there's this kind of attitude that comes with this social contract society is like, well, none of us know each other, we don't feel obliged to help each other, we don't have to be, we just have to follow the rules. And so basically, I don't have to pay any attention to you as long as you're not breaking this rule. And the

worst part about that is when someone feels, you know what, I just don't care about the rule anymore and they do something terrible, no one's prepared for it. You know, and so because you weren't allowed to have these expectations in advance, because of course that would make you a bigot of some kind. It's like, well, look, I'm sorry, man, but this is a reality of the thing. and we have to be able to deal with reality honestly and the question really the liberal should ask themselves is why are you trying to deny reality why is your philosophy so divergent

with what's really happening and why are you okay with that why do you think that makes you a moral person I think the moral person is the person who deals with what's happening in a just and righteous way not the person who sits there with a prescription of rules

that might totally be unreflective of what's happening in the ground and say well if you're not all doing this fantasy I have in my head then you're all bad people. No, that's not how life works. Wonderfully put. Carl Benjamin, you can check him out. It's Sargon of Akad on YouTube.

Also, the Lotus Cedars on YouTube. Fascinating conversation that hopefully will not be dismissed and hopefully definitely not regulated as hate speech when it's just, as we point out, attempting to understand reality. Carl, thanks for being on the Will Kane show. Thanks so much having me. This has been great. All right.

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The three big takeaways, revelations. From the testimony and cross-examination of Stormy Daniels in the Trials, of Donald Trump. It's the Will Kane Show streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube and on the Fox News Facebook page. You can always subscribe at Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. Cross-examination continues today of Stormy Daniels in the trial against Donald Trump in New York. I'll give you my three big revelations of what's taken place so far when it comes to Stormy Daniels. Number one, it was slimy. It was salacious. And, that was the point. That's the point, in fact, of the entire trial. Stormy Daniels took

the stand, and she went into detail about her alleged affair with Donald Trump. She talked about missionary position. She said she came out of the bathroom, and Donald Trump was laid across the bed in boxers and a t-shirt. She said she spanked him with a rolled-up magazine. She went into detail in detail so much so that the judge at one point had to tell her, we don't need to hear all of this. Well, that's the point. We don't need to hear any of this. None of it has relevance to the alleged accounting crimes against Donald Trump. She has no information.

She has no insight. She knows nothing about the bookkeeping records of Donald Trump. And certainly none of this testimony has anything to do with the accounting. But it did make, apparently, according to reports, two jurors smirk. And Donald Trump, several times within the day, curse audibly. Apparently, he turned to his attorneys and said, this is bullshit. And he shook his head repeatedly. Also for that, he was chastised by the judge.

But it was all too much Trump's team advocated immediately for a mistrial. See, if this is irrelevant to the proceedings, all it's there to do is to throw slime, to paint Donald Trump. in the minds of these jurors. It's to make them do exactly what this whole thing is about, make them dislike Donald Trump. You know, it's interesting, this is all written up in CNN.com, and I wanted to read it to you, but it's too long, but it was under the banner of analysis. Like, you know, okay, so is that opinion or is that reporting? But the reporting on CNN.com admitted that this is all political by nature.

It lamented that the Marilago classified documents case has been pushed back, and one won't now see the lie today before the November election. And the line in the CNN article was like putting all the more emphasis on Stormy Daniels testimony that day. Well, why does that put more emphasis on Stormy Daniels? That to me is an admission, which we don't need admission, it's so we know anyway. You're not trying to get down to the bookkeeping notes of Donald Trump. You're trying to make this a political trial by thrown as much dirt as possible, including spanking with a rolled up magazine. It should be declared a mistrial. Number two, the motivation of Stormy Daniels. Clearly she was in this to make money.

She said that she wasn't interested in talking about the story until after she saw the Access Hollywood story. At that point, she reached out to an attorney, and they started to push for a negotiation with Donald Trump to get some money. She got $130,000 out of it. She's capitalized on this from the beginning. She's not some victim. She is a profiteer in this entire enterprise. She has written books about it. She did a strip club act called Make America Horny again. She's been motivated from the beginning into what personally benefits Stormy Daniels. And when she decided the $130,000 wasn't enough. What motivated her was to try to get more from Donald Trump. Bring you to point number three. Take away from this.

Her motivation is also that she hates Donald Trump. Because of all of this, because of all of this profit-seeking and all this unseemliness, she lost a lawsuit from Donald Trump for half a million dollars. She owes Donald Trump half a million dollars. And she has said, I will defy that court order. I will not pay him a single penny. Which, okay, if you are willing to defy a court order, which was established on cross-examination, Why would you not defy an oath that you were taking in court that day?

If you have no respect for the courtroom, if you have no respect for the requirements of you, why should we assume you have some respect for the oath you took today in taking the stand? She has said she hates Donald Trump. She's called him an orange turd. According to this time, CNN's a legal analyst, this is huge. That's huge because it shows her lack of. credibility because of her exhibited motivation in this trial. This is the Todry part. CNN wrote, this is when it came back to life. It came back to life for you because this is what it's about for you

and this is what easier to write articles about. Because what it should be about, it's about justice is about accounting and bookkeeping. When it was dead, it was justice. Now that it's alive for you, it's injustice. It's slime. It's politics as a prosecution of Donald Trump. what's best texas kansas kansas city carolina and how did they build masterbuilt a conversation with the mcclmore boys next on the will cane show hey i'm trey gowdy host of the trade gowdy podcast i hope you will join me every tuesday and thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast dot com If you've ever seen Fox and Friends, you can't have missed them.

Because they are definitely one of the friends in the universe of Fox and Friends. And they've got a new book out called Gather in Grill. The McLemore Boys. John and John 2, now on the Will Kane Show streaming live. Let's go, baby. Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook. Always. Hey, John 2, that 2 is awkwardly placed.

Like when you say your whole name, do you say John 2 McLemore, John McLemore the 2? junior deuce what do you what do you like when we drop the last name it's easy it's john and john too but when we do the whole name that's hard man i'm i'm advocating for big john and little john yeah and you are big john oh yeah as long as it's not john as long as it's not john douche not deuce yeah yeah uh now i'm glad to have you guys on we're going to talk about gathering grill the new book out full of recipes stories yep let's go even some a little recipe dedicated to me in here, I saw. There is.

I got a page mart for you. Texas themed. I'm telling you. You do? I have a page mart specifically for you. I think we were in Daytona and Talladega. We got a little mac and cheese brisket sandwich. Story is all about you.

That's right. We might even have some of that on Saturday. I saw it said go Longhorns. Yeah, you gave me a go Longhorns in there. That's much appreciated. Yeah, I didn't say roll-tide. Okay, wait, but you did say roll-tied as well. No, I did not.

Settle this debate for us. Okay. I saw it on another page then. I did it a little reading in the book. But be objective best you can. Okay. Best. Barbecues, before we do the debate, what is barbecue?

By the way, is barbecue brisket, ribs, chicken, anything you want? What gets to be under the banner of barbecue? To me, to me, it's subjective, but I think a general rule of thumb is people assume that that's outdoor cooking. Yeah. But true barbecue to a Georgian or probably a Texan is going to be something large cut of meat related. Yeah. A brisk it, a butt, ribs, chicken qualifies that. It's funny, you hear people sometimes say, hey, we're going to a barbecue this weekend.

and is like, hey, what are y'all having? Hot dogs? I'm like, that's not really a barbecue. That's not a barbecue. That's a cookout. To a lot of people, a barbecue is kind of a similar word for just hanging and cooking, which is, you know, gathering and grilling. That's it. If you said barbecue to me, this is what barbecue is to me. And this is going to get to the debate.

Texas, Carolina, or Kansas City. Barbecue to me is a brisket, it's ribs, and it's sausage. It's those three things. They don't all have to be present, but definitely one of them have be present. I actually don't know if you can have it without brisket. Brisket might be the core component. But if I go to a Texas barbecue shop, that's what's on the menu. That's the core components.

They might have some chicken, maybe pulled pork. That's not a Texas thing as much. But brisket, a sausage, and ribs. Yeah, I'm actually going to agree with a little add-on to that. I think if you're doing really good barbecue cheese, chicken. That's a barbecue. I actually agree that pulled pork should be on that because obviously we do more pulled pork than anything. However, brisket for us now is such a big thing in the last couple of three years because we've learned so much about it with our friends at Lane's barbecue

about how to do a true brisket. What's so interesting is that like growing up doing, you know, Masterbilt in our story and smoking, brisket wasn't necessarily something we did all the time. We're from Georgia. Yeah. So I think if you ask somebody from Carolina or from Georgia, they would say, you know, we're going to barbecue this weekend, and it includes probably different foods. It's going to be more of your pulled pork, you know, side of things and ribs. And it's going to, the sides are probably a slightly different.

They're probably more mac and cheese than they are. Yeah. I don't know. Mashed potatoes and or different style of doing them. And see, I probably wouldn't have included sausage in the term barbecue, but that's probably it is in a general sense to me but I don't know that that's one of the main three components but I'm from Georgia I just that

maybe culturally is a little different for me I would say it includes pool pork and ribs well this kind of goes that so this kind of goes that conversation I was having with the guy Carl Benjamin from the UK before you guys came on about like you know cultural differences you know what that is too the reason sausage is a big part of the Texas barbecue experience

is the influence of Germans so we had German immigration in the 1800s, and they settled largely in central Texas, which is kind of the heart of Texas barbecue. And, you know, this is blacks and criteses. It's looling Texas. It's Lockhart. And they were big on sausage. So you get all these spicy sausages, jalapeno sausages, and it's hard to pass up when you're

there at the... Briscuit's kind of your main thing, but yeah, throw a link of sausage on there with me. Yeah. So here's another good example. You ever had a bull peanut? Well, I don't consider them Texan, but yeah, I've had them, but I think that's the South infiltrating into Texas. Correct. So a lot of people are like, when we come up to New York, they're talking about recipes and stuff,

and they look in our cookbook and they go, you have bold peanuts? Like, what is a bold peanut? A boiled peanut. And so a bold peanut. But cultural difference is, you know, bold peanuts is something I was raised on, but you can go almost to Texas and people don't do it a lot. And then, you know, a little bit of that kind of Cajun, bold peanut side, and then go up north and they don't do it. They've never even heard of it. I tell you, I'm fascinated by your comment about sausage being one of the three.

And I've never thought about it until this conversation might hear. What is interesting, Will, is we hardly ever have a cookout without sausage. We boil sausage. in our low country boil. We smoke sausage when we're doing our pulled pork or our briskets. We've got a sausage, pimento cheese, jalapeno, pepper, appetizer. So I'm going to actually now put a sausage on my list that you can't have a barbecue without a sausage. We do a sausage bite where we smoke sausage and or a beef hot dog, which a little plug,

we just signed on with 44 farms. They do beef hot dogs. They're fantastic. But do sausage smoke them? and then take them off, cut them up into little bites, put them on a griddle and or in a skillet, and sauce some little hot sauce, Alabama white sauce or Carolina sauce, mix that together, and you sear them off on a griddle. Preach it, baby.

They are fantastic appetizers. Exactly. The sausage becomes the appetizer or just the side bite. It's almost like a side item to the brisket. Hey, John, real quick, you're talking about you guys in Georgia didn't necessarily, you grew up it was more pork based it wasn't as brisket oriented as it has been

for the last couple years that's pretty interesting right like brisket would you say brisket has taken over sort of smoking what you guys I mean when Masterbilt's building a grill they got to think about

you know how's this work for brisket brisket seems to have exploded over I don't know how many years now but recently five 10 years I think from a social media side I think cuts like brisket because they're those traditional they're harder to do

and then you have places states like Texas who are known for it and the rest of the country kind of doesn't do it that great and then people take that on a challenge you know how social media works I think social media has created this brisket fantasy which is really cool so I think in a way it has

it's briskets become a centerpiece of barbecue because of the internet. Yeah. No different than like nobody ever heard of what a tri-tip was until it started coming from that, that west coast, you know, a region. Yeah. And tri-tip was a good cut of meat,

but was more affordable, right? So people started buying it a lot, and then the internet kind of helps blow it up. I think brisk gets a similar, you know, aspect of that. Yeah, so did tri-tip go up in price but cost of popularity or bionomics? It's a fair question. Well, I'd never heard a tri-tip until I went to college in California.

And they were all like, every time they were going to have a cookout, it was like tri-tip, try-tip. I still don't know what part of the cow that is. No one, that's not a thing. I don't know about Georgia. That's not a thing in Texas. Like, people don't talk about tri-tip. No, but speaking, so back to Brisket, right? So I do think, which is my opinion, because we follow and our friends with a lot of barbecue influences out there.

we cook for a lot of people we do a lot of events a lot of demos and brisk is so interesting how people's perspective of barbecue and or outdoor grilling is the first question they ask us is do you have brisket yeah and it's it's like a universal question that we get and it's they don't i don't think they're thinking well you're from georgia or you're from texas they just assume your outdoor barbecues we look like rednecks, you know, probably drinking a beer, you know, hanging out. We fit that profile. Yeah. And they assume that, you know, we're cooking brisket.

So I think it's a universal trait of barbecue. So I do think the internet could be probably applauded with that. Yeah. And the trend of it. So, yeah. I do love that we've learned more about brisket. And I mentioned Lane's barbecue a while ago. Ryan Lane is our brisket go-to expert.

They're out of Bethlehem, Georgia. They do and supply all the spices and barbecue sauces when we come to the Fox Concert Summer series and when we cook with all on Saturdays. And we've learned how to perfect the recipe from the master himself. So thank you, Ryan. And then we get asked, do you wrap, do you not wrap. Do you do butcher paper? No butcher pepper.

Do you do fat cap up? I mean, there's so many different ways of cooking a brisket. Are you a brisket? Would you say you're a brisket expert? What's your brisket situation? No, eating it, not cooking it. So, we'll take care of that for you. Have you ever heard of 44 farms out of Texas?

No. Yeah, I think they're out of Houston. So we just partnered with them. They're one of the largest registered Black Angus ranches still left in America. And, you know, they're all grass-fed, you know, just true American ranch. None of this chemical green crab. No plant-based stuff. No plant-based on it.

No lab-based stuff. Lab-based stuff. John, it's fat-up, right? Yeah. I think so. Oh, yeah. In terms of cooking, it's fat-side-up. I'm a big believer.

And people, the whole misconception of you got to, when it hits 160, 165, you got to wrap. We actually, we learn from lanes, you power through that and wrap it 180. Yep. Butch of paper. I personally like cooking mine a little hotter than 225. I think 225 is too low. I think that's where you get a better smoke ring

and helping set in the bark and then I always wrap in butcher paper dads, I don't know that you're convinced that butcher paper makes that big of a difference but that's the thing with Brisket everybody has their own well I do it this way and it's better because you know what I mean

Here's what's cool about the book Will we have nine categories in gathering grill from breakfast to appetizers to sides to all three meats leftovers, desserts, and brisket is not only one of the recipes in here. It's the three-step brisket that we did at the concert series with you guys, but then we take that brisket and we do several things with it.

We put it on a, it's a brisket, double trouble brisket butt sandwich. It's a brisket and Boston butt with all the fixings on a big Wonderbread hoagie. One of the great recipes that we've done for y'all is you take a crispy cream donut and you griddle it with brisket and pimento cheese and another crispy cream donut it's heart attack waiting to happen

but it is so freaking good man. Can we just does it come with an insurance policy? Can we just inject the diabetes straight into our veins? I love it. The other thing that I want to make sure we do is

thank you for the friendship. Thank you for always being so supportive when we come here to New York anytime we travel being a gamer to eat. We might have a surprise for you on Saturday so be ready. John said, don't tell him what it is because it's not a surprise. Dad's always like, we've got a surprise

and then he tells him what the surprise in him. Like, it's not a surprise to be able. And stories in this book are what make this book so much fun because all the people that we meet. It's not just a recipe. Paula Dean says it best, food without great

people is just plain old food and our book is all about the stories and folks like you do so thank you well first all gathering grill um forward by the way is by steve ducy and and you know i can't say i've read the whole cookbook already but i've definitely read some of it yeah and um the you guys are some of the hardest working dudes i can't believe to you know family guys georgia boys um come up to new york so much without being required to I go because I'm required to. I don't know what you guys are doing there now and why you're going to stay through the weekend.

I do have an idea. It's for gathering grill. There you go. But what I was going to say is I love what you said. I guess it will attribute it to Paula Dean about the stories, John. The one story I wanted to ask you about today, and it's not an easy one because it's like

the whole biographical thing, so I'm going to narrow it in. So your dad starts what would become master built in the backyard. You tell this story in the book. making fish cookers. He knew how to weld, right? And he starts doing this, and before you know it, it takes off enough that he can become his job.

And then it becomes a family business, and you at age 18, John, take over right after, or don't take over, but you come into the business right after high school at some point taking it over. What I wanted to ask you is, there is a moment beyond that entrepreneurial origin story where it appears to me, it's at least somewhere in the line. of where you have really started to put your fingerprint on the business, and it becomes masterbuilt. It becomes the big brand that we know of today. So if I asked you, John, like, what was the big moment?

Was there a moment? Was there a decision? Was there something that you did that you felt that leap? You felt the rocket engines fire. When was that? I would say in 98, about 14 years after. I had graduated from high school and my dad turned the company over to us boys and he stayed on as a silent partner for 14 years and then he fully retired in 1998 and it was that that moment

my brother donna and I became 50-50 owners and we basically said hey if we're going to really succeed at this thing the company was named you were 34 at that time I was 32 I had been CEO and president of the company for about 10 years, but the growth really exploded from 98 on when we got together and said, hey, we've named this company after God because, you know, my dad said the prayer. It's like, dude, you're the master. I'm the builder. If you help us grow this company, we'll name it after you, which is where the name Master Built came from. And in 1998, my brother Don and I said, look, we're going to really turn this thing over to him. We started tithing off the profits of the company and really turned this thing over to him.

And I think it was at that moment that it was just the two brothers. We were aligned on everything that we wanted to do to grow the company. There was no power struggles. He's still my best friend today. And we set out with the same agenda to grow this family business. We expanded outside of three states. And, man, we blinked. And we were global, a brand out there with some of the biggest names in the overall cooking industry.

And honestly, it was the people that we met and who we were inspired to, you know, run our business after. And Hawks was super instrumental in us growing through the years with them. So thanks to them. And then having a family that supported everything that we did and us having the reward. of Masterbilt help our family. I think all of those things combined really catapulted us to where we are today. Well, I'm jealous of a lot of things. I'm jealous of John 2's recent football dominance with Georgia, although that's coming to an end. Here come the horns. I am, I'm jealous of that I think it's duck and deer and quail and everything else ranch you guys.

in Georgia that I'll have to visit it sometime. Let's go. But the thing I'm most jealous of, and I'm just being honest about my jealousy here, is what you've built, John, in this right here. You two getting to work together. It is, I mean, not just that it's there, but it's there, and it seems to work from what I can see.

And, you know, I have two sons. If either of them want to spend the time around me that yours spends around you, John, That's it, man. That's it. You just, you did it. So, I don't know, man. It's awesome to see you guys, but also just see you guys always together.

Yeah. Well, I will say, you know, I try to encourage a lot of family businesses is hard. I mean, just in and of itself, it's hard. On top of the fact that we spend every day together, writing the book we spent every day together. you know he was the best man in my wedding so we we do have a true friendship and i mean you've got friends and best friends it ain't perfect every day um and you know we we have had our own sit downs and discussions but at the end of the day we both care we both love each other and words matter and you know we try not to let the day come when we both don't respect each other enough

love each other enough to go money ain't it ain't about money it ain't about you know if fame a book deal it ain't about any of that we we love that we get to do it with each other um you know but what's the perfect job yeah and and i'll say this you know somebody just reminded me the this of the other day they were like look you know y'all have had just such tremendous success and it's so cool getting to see you and your dad they were like don't don't don't miss the journey, you know, for the destination. And I had a moment when we were writing the book and I was like, holy cow, how blessed am I to not only be healthy, you know, all this great stuff going on. I have healthy parents that are still married that love each other. And I get to,

and I choose to work with them every day. Mom just flew out from, you know, New York. We did Fox yesterday. So Mom and Mac is always with us. I'm blessed to be able to do that. And I'm trying to take every advantage as I can to just spend time with my parents so and and we get to also make money do what we do which is a nice bonus yeah yeah you know what the perfect job is he's not dying on us right no i hope that sounded like a eulogy almost yeah no it's beautiful so you know what the perfect job is will there isn't one that the perfect job it actually is the perfect job is the job that you love so much you'd be willing to do it for free but you do it so well they pay you that's the perfect job yeah that's good yeah that's good um all right

all right settle the debate on the way out real quick kansas city texas or carolina we already said it's hard to do because what is barbecue right and what do we got to judge it on pork brisket ribs what is it though george is not in the running I don't know how this came up, but Georgia wasn't, no. I would say those three are the main three now. I'm not trying to dismiss Georgia. Yeah, I totally get what you're saying here. I would say personally, I know quite a few guys from Texas.

It's hard to beat Texas, but I love Ainsley so much that it's hard not to want to root for Carolina. so yeah I would I would have to say in this order Texas because we have my oldest son lives in Texas in Austin yeah so I'm going to say Texas I'm going to say Kansas second and then Carolina only because I don't know Carolina barbecue is just not I think Kansas gets a lot of a lot of height because of the competitions but I don't I know it's so so many more people from Texas and Canada. But the pork thing. I'm just not as big on pork as I am on beef.

That's why I would pick the other two. You know why we're so big on pork? All right, guys. The book is... Because it's so easy to cook. Oh, really? There's a lot of great pork recipes right here, and brisket in Gather and Grill by the McLemore boys.

Go check it out. You have a lot of fun cookouts, outdoor barbecues, what smoke, you know, smoking competitions whatever you want to call it you have a lot of fun outdoor like john said with the family yeah uh food is food but thanks for having us on will go to amazon and buy the book baby let's go thank you will all right there you go thank you fellas see you this weekend there's john the mcclmore boys john and john too the book is gathering grill go check it out at amazon um and they'll appreciate it check them out this weekend on fox and friends i think we

have a brisket competition this weekend on Fox and Friends. I think we have Texas versus Tennessee. And what is Rachel going to put in there? Wisconsin barbecue? It'll be a competition between me and Pete. I don't know. That'll be this weekend on Fox and Friends, but until then, this is the Will Cain show, and I will see you again next time. Listen to ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon music app. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com.

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