Will Cain Country - Tradition on Trial: From College Campuses to the Court of Public Opinion (ft. Julie Banderas & Vince August) 

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Story #1: The Quad is a tinderbox: Revolutions almost always begin on college campuses. Could escalating tensions at Harvard and other schools be a sign that it could happen again? Story #2:  FOX News Anchor and Author of 'A Monumental Mistake,' Julie Banderas joins Will to discuss the value of tradition, plus did John Bolton issue a veiled threat to Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth? Story #3: As the Left parrots concerns over "Due Process" of illegal immigrants, are there any truth to the allegations? Comedian and former judge, Vince August joins Will to break it all down.   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show!   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for $5.5 plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. One. The quad is a Tinder box. The revolution almost always begins on campus. Two, John Bolton seems to issue a veiled threat, physical threat, a threat on his life?

The Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegg said, plus the value of tradition with Fox News host, Julie Banderas. Three, the fight overdue process, a debate with comedian and lawyer, Vince August. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time. Set a reminder, subscribe, jump into the comments section, become a member of the Willis. If you're listening on any of the three dozen stations across this great United States of America, make sure you subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. I tend to think thematically.

I tend to draw connections, arcs, circles, around stories. I tend to think about what ties everything together, not just what might exist and flow under the current, but what is the umbrella that makes sense of the chaos of the news. And then there is the Lord that seems to speak to you at times in coincidence. incident. This morning, I woke up and rushed through some of my preparation for the two shows I spend with you here every day on the Will Kane show because I needed to get over to my children's school. There is an event, a tradition called Pass It On at my kids' school. It's where all the

seniors pass on a light to the eighth graders. So the soon-to-be freshman in college, pass it on at the soon to be ninth graders in high school. I have an eighth grader. So I needed to go to the pass-it-on ceremony this morning. Unfortunately, I was only able to stay for about half of the ceremony. Had to rush home, rush back to the studio, rush to be with you. But in the time I was there, I listened to a senior and an eighth-grader give a speech. And maybe because the Lord works in mysterious ways, the speeches today were about the value of tradition.

It's really good. It's really heartening to hear that coming from a 13-year-old. They talked about how tradition can be mocked. They talked about, though, also, how it's the tie that binds our culture, our ideas, us as people, together. I want to read from you now a synopsis of the new book by Fox host Julie Banderas. The book is entitled A Monumental Mistake. It's a story of respect, responsibility, and learning from those who came before us. when Fiona the lioness Moby the Bear

author of the lion and Cassius the tiger stumble upon a forgotten statue deep in the Wigamore woods they each respond differently some mock the past others seek to honor it but when a dangerous force is unleashed the young animals learn that respecting history

is more than just good manners it is essential for the protection of the future I don't know that we should believe in coincidences but tradition has been hammered home to me through the speech of an eighth grader and the guest I have here today on the Will Kane Show. And I think it fits in very nicely to the thematic umbrella that hits us today in the news. Let's get to it with story number one.

I want to read from you some headlines today in the news. First, I bring you this from Massachusetts Live to headline two Harvard students. students set to undergo management, anger management, for assaulting a student, says the district attorney. Meanwhile, a new study out of Harvard indicates that not just Jewish students, but Muslim students as well on that campus, feel, quote unquote, unsafe. 67% of Jewish students, according to the Harvard University Task Force of 2024, feel discomfort in expressing their opinions. Meanwhile, 80% of Muslim students feel discomfort in expressing their opinions. This comes as Harvard's put together a presidential task force to analyze the campus environment and what's been going on now for several

years we have seen on that campus. Elise DeFonic talking about Harvard, Congresswoman from New York, says the following when it comes to the campus climate at Harvard. Harvard's own task force reveals long-time, deep-rooted, dangerous, and rampant anti-Semitism embedded in coursework, campus life, and faculty hiring. This is further confirmation of a significant moral crisis facing higher education that I have sounded the alarm on in Congress. There must be accountability and real reform to save American higher education, not just reports. And then finally, Fox News headline today, President Donald Trump has revoked 4,000 foreign student

visas in the first 100 days of his administration. Nearly all of those revocations are students with serious criminal records. Something is going on in the quad. And I think when their news is about college campuses and the attitudes and opinions and the behaviors of college students, we can fall into hysteria or we can fall into derision. We often think about these dumb students. They're just kids. What do they get these ridiculous ideas? But I think history would encourage us not to take all of this quite so lightly because what begins usually on the quad ends up as a powder keg throughout history revolutions have rarely started with farmers and pitchforks they have rarely started in the halls of congress from cal berkeley to paris

from Tehran to Tiananmen Square, what you've seen happen among young people and especially college students has sparked movements that have threatened or in reality changed nations. And whether or not it's Harvard or Columbia or UCLA, whether or not it's Jewish students or Muslim students, whether or not it's just a protest, a campus sit-in

or something deeper. We should pay attention to what's happening. on college campuses. Let's look through history for a moment. In 1970, of course, you heard of the protest on the campus of Kent State that erupted into gunfire after mass unrest. As mentioned, the Tiananmen Square protest that threatened the Chinese Communist Party was led by students.

The Iranian Revolution of 1979, yes, was inspired by religious clerics, but was given energy by students that exploded into a full-bone revolution. Today we sit with a new Iran from the one we knew in the 1970s. College campuses are places of great free thought and free speech. They generate ideas that should establish the norm or reestablish and shake up the norm. College campuses are a place where you go to learn, to grow, to think outside the box. but all that can manifest into something much more explosive into revolution and that is not necessarily a warning it can also be an inspiration depends of course on the purpose of your

revolution what you are trying to overturn what you are trying to change and all we can hope right now is that it's not Western civilization and the founding of the United States of America think again about the success of young people with radical ideas. Here's some names. Vladimir Lennon, Leon Trotsky. This Bolshevik revolution in the 19-teens were youth, Marxist youth in Moscow

in St. Petersburg, anti-Zarist. They led the Bolshek revolution that turned over the royalist Russia and gave birth to the Soviet Union. In the French Revolution, thinkers, Robespiers, Voltares were part of the coursework, part of what you learned, part of what you studied, but partly the energy as well behind ideas of liberty and equality and fraternity, there's your French motto, that led to the French Revolution.

But don't just heed it as warning a failed French Revolution, a Marxist revolution that led to the Soviet Union. It happened right here at home as well. I mean, Alexander Hamilton was 20. James Madison was 25. Thomas Jefferson was 33 during the American Revolution. This wasn't something done through your elected leaders at the time, your people had debate on the halls of parliament or Congress. This was led by people who were of college age or in college.

We already had Harvard. We already had William and Mary. at the time of the American Revolution. So free speech, free ideas, radicalism, doesn't just give birth to something that we should heed warning, but gives birth to something that's inspiring, like the American Revolution. So that leads us to this.

What are these young people today who should not be dismissed or taken lightly, pushing toward this tension on college campuses? What are they trying to overturn? What's the revolution? The warning, unfortunately, is, in their own stated words, to overturn Western civilization, Mahmoud Khalil, the man whose deportation hearing is still set to be scheduled and who has been taken into custody by ICE officials, whose green card permanent residency status has threatened to be revoked,

who led the campus protests and violent action at Columbia, says in his own words that his goal is to overturn Western civilization. civilization we should not take lightly what we see happening with america's youth it's happened before over and over and over paris turan tanaman square and right here at home in america but we need to talk about the ideas that are being taught that are being tolerated that are being fanned the flame of these ideas

because if it is anti-Western civilization if it is anti-American don't laugh it's a brewing powder keg that we hope does not metastasized into a revolution understanding the value of America is part of understanding our tradition.

Understanding our place in history is understanding tradition. And as I listened to an eighth grader honor tradition, it made me think about this new book. A monumental mistake by Julie Banderas. The Fox News host next on the value of tradition. inviting you to join me for Fox Across America where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding, it's only a three-hour show.

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or wherever you download podcasts. former national security advisor john bolton goes on to cnn and seemingly threatens the secretary of defense pete heggsett it is the will kane show streaming live at foxnews.com on the fox news youtube channel and the fox news facebook page hey hit subscribe if you will at apple or on spotify give us a five-star review if you think it's so deserved drop it in the comments section yeah then you're a member of the willisha julie banderis is a fox news ho she's author of a brand new book a monumental mistake, which I'm excited to talk about here in just a moment, Julie. But first, good morning. How are you? Good morning. It's so good to see you. I'm glad to have you on the show. It's a first,

and I hope it's not a last. No. I want to share with you this clip from CNN that I saw yesterday. And I don't know, Julie. I don't know what I'm supposed to take away from this, okay? National Security Advisor for a moment under the first administration of Donald Trump, John Bolton, who is a mouthpiece, I think, fair to say, accurate, not derisively, a complete neocon, perhaps even more accurately a warhawk. He had this to say about Defense Secretary Pete Hegesa. Do you believe Hexas should still be on the job? No, I think he should resign for his own safety's sake, if nothing else. This is a critical time for the American military. What is he talking about for his own safety sake, if nothing else? He obviously isn't talking about his safety sake.

safety on the front lines because that's not his job. He's not overseas. That's a threat. That's just a bold out. There's no other way to look at this. I mean, it's the same kind of thing that you hear from a lot of, you know, Democratic Congresswomen who have called out Elon Musk for everybody to revolt against him. They've put a bull's eye on his back, quite frankly. And now he's doing it to Pete Hexeth, which is absolutely lunatic. I mean, that's crazy. How would you possibly say, say something like that, like for the safety of his own, for his own safety. So what are you trying to say? Are you trying to call on, you know, the bad guys and tell him to go after Pete Heggseth because he's now under attack? That's very responsible. And if something happens

to beat Heggseth, he is wholly responsible after a comment like that. Yeah, I mean, I like you putting into the context of everything else being said in the current environment and climate because it can't be divorced from that. What would you put Hegseth? Like, If you think about the left's public enemies, I'm thinking at this point that Heggseth comes in third. Of course, Donald Trump is number one, meaning who are you going to hyperventilate about? Who are you going to be the most uncharitable and dishonest about? Who are you going to write headlines and attack articles about? And obviously, number one, is always going to be Donald Trump.

Number two, I think has become Elon Musk, but I think third is Pete Hegset. I think Pete's going to take the number two spot because as everyone knows, I mean, first of all, Elon Musk had said that he wasn't going to be there for the entire tenure of the president's, you know, tenure. He's going to leave at some point. He's done his job. He's going to continue to stay in touch with the Doge team that he put together, which has been brilliant. It's saved this country hundreds of billions of dollars. But I think now they need to find a new punching bag, right? And so that's going to be Pete Head Seth. What has he done wrong exactly? I mean, in all true respect, when it comes to boosting morale among our military. He has actually gone overseas. He's shaken the hands of these men and women, these brave men and women who serve our country. He's shown them the respect that they deserve. A lot of our military, a lot of people

have not been enlisting into the military because they feel like the morale is at an all-time low. And after the former administrations almost discouraging behavior toward the military, he's bringing back respect overseas. And those men and women deserve it. They appreciate it. And good for Pete Hegsef to finally shine some light

some light on the heroes that are fighting for our freedom in this country. And how dare any proud American put Pete Hegseth down for that? Did he make a few mistakes by going on signal and messaging people about some conversations that perhaps should not have been on signal? No. Did he give away war plans? No. Did he give, you know, proximates? Did he actually give, you know, pinpoints as to where these war plans were taking place? No. I think it's been totally blown out of proportion, but if it wasn't a Republican administration, you wouldn't be hearing the mainstream media going nuts about this. Yeah, I do think it was a mistake to use signal. You'll find no bigger defender of people. I agree. I agree. I agree. I mean, he shouldn't have been texting

his wife either and friends that are not part of this mission. And we heard from Donald Trump as recently as yesterday in his interview with ABC saying that he talked with Heggseth about that and they feel good about where they are going forward. I think the point is, not to paint the guidance of the Pentagon under Heggseth as 100 days of perfection, but the weight of the positive versus the negative, I think, hasn't been properly weighed. And you did there as well. I mean, the morale of the troops is undebatable. I hear it from everyone still, to this day.

The recruiting is up. The purpose and focus on the purpose of lethality and readiness is there. Donald Trump often makes the jokes, ask the Houthis how Hegset is doing a sec-deaf. But it doesn't mean that it has come without. it's mistakes. And I do wonder this, Julie, because I heard it, and I think there's one of two ways we can go. Okay, is Bolton saying that Hegset is being so lax on communication chandals that it compromises his own security? Is that what he's saying? I'm trying to be charitable. I'm trying

to think through what he could possibly crossing his mind. Then in the alternative is what you began to offer us, which I think is appropriate. Don't divorce this from the kind of talk we've heard when it comes to musk or trump where you literally put bull's eyes on people's backs and inspire violence against them so what is he saying and then finally coming from a guy like bolden who's been buried in the think tanks and then inside the government of look man am i supposed to pretend like there's not black ops am i supposed to pretend like there's not you know things that are done that we never learn about and bolton wouldn't be like what i'm not i'm not going to ignore all of that as well in a way out. What a weird thing to say, what are you getting at

John Bolton when you say that his life is at risk? Yeah, I think it's a threat. I mean, I don't think that he's concerned about somebody tapping into his social media. Okay. I just, I don't think that's it or on his text messages. I don't believe that that's his intention. I think that what he's doing is he's driving home a narrative that anyone on this Trump administration should be targeted somehow, either by force, online, the hate online is out of control. But these are people, these are human beings with families, and their families end up getting targeted as well. And that is unfortunate that somebody like John Bolton, who comes from the White House, he knows, I mean, he has worked around these circles before, and he understands how

security, national security goes. I also have to just say this. It's been 100 days. Pete Hetzeth was never a politician. The reason he was brought into the White House and given this role was because he wasn't a politician, because he was a man of the people. He was a man of our war heroes, and he has the respect of the military. They wanted somebody like that

who could actually identify with these military men and women. Not a politician, because politicians obviously only look out for themselves. Donald Trump was not a politician either, and why do you think he's been such a huge success? because he's not a politician. I think people are sick and tired of politicians.

They want the man of the people in the White House that are actually looking out for someone other than themselves for the actual people that they represent. And if you want disruptors, don't get upset when there is some disruption. That's to address some of the stuff that's happened inside the Pentagon about who's in, who's out. But the point of disruption or disruptors is disruption.

All right, Julie, I don't know when you joined the program and how long you were there listening to me this morning, but I just did a monologue on sort of the historical lesson of revolutionary young people and what's happening on college campuses today in America. Yes. This morning I went to a ceremony at my kid's school. It's called Pass It On. It's a religious ceremony, but also it's a marker of seniors passing on their light to incoming freshmen.

I have an incoming freshman. and the eighth grader who will be a freshman got up and gave a speech and his speech was about this tradition of pass it on and he talked about the value of tradition now i don't know if i believe in coincidences but i sat there and i thought i'm about to have this conversation today with the author of the book a monumental mistake i read the synopsis of your book at the top of our show it's a children's book and i love it but as much as anything julie i just love you know what I love the VIN diagram overlap of doing something new, writing a children's book, that reinforces an old value of tradition.

You know, we're chalk full of books about tolerance and progress and caring and feel good. And here we've got a really cool story about the danger as well of ignoring tradition and history. It absolutely is. And I think in order to teach your children not to ignore. tradition, not to ignore history, is to teach them to respect it. You know, we have our freedoms in this country, thanks to others, people that came before us. And that's where I think it needs to start. You need to not only respect your peers, your elders, and those who even you disagree with. It's fine. Agree to disagree. But respect those who came before you and understand that that's why

we are where we are today. And I think, you know, that's why I wrote a monumental mistake, because it really does teach children. I think the best way parents can teach their children, first of all, are through stories. It is a proven fact. There have been studies on this, that when children hear stories, they identify with those stories and they actually apply them to real life. So this story is about teaching to respect those who came before us and to respect one another, whether you disagree with them or not. And it's so important, especially now in this day and age, I feel like this country is so divided. It's more divided than I have ever seen. I've never seen more hate in this country and more political divide. Parents who hate each other and other parents in their community,

based on politics, that's the lessons that we're teaching our children. And our children are listening and they're watching. Who do you think raised all those people at these college protests that are preaching hate? That's all they're doing. These anti-Semitic protests are preaching hate. Where did they learn that from? They learn that from a young age, and I can promise you my kids will never grow up and be at protests like that, because I have taught them to respect those that you disagree with, to respect those in your community, to respect elders, to respect your teachers. We don't see that enough in this country anymore, and it's really sad what's going to become of our next generation if parents don't step up right now. That's my greatest fear. And so that's

why I wrote this book, because I just want to get it through to parents. Get it through your children because you're saving our next generation. And I think old-fashioned, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am, that needs to come back. It shouldn't be old-fashioned to be respectful. That should be something of the future. So the story of a monumental mistake is about these animal characters who happen upon this, this statue in the woods. And they all have a different reaction to it, right? Tell me about that. Some mock it, some honor it. Without giving away the whole story, give me some sense of what happens in a monumental mistake? Well, you remember in this country how these historical monuments were torn down under democratic leadership, right? Because they represented a stain in American history.

So, in other words, erasing history. Well, in this book, much like we've seen in society, there is a monument, and it stands for something. And it stands for a significant moment in history, a significant moment in the past. And a couple kids' characters in the book decide to deface the monument. And they disrespects. the monument. And their friends tell them, no, this monument stands for something. The monument is of a general named General Wigamore. And he fought for his, not for his country, but for the forest that they live in, okay? And they deface it. And a monster appears. And they are taught a very hard lesson, and I won't give it away, that teaches them that not only did they disrespect their friends

who urged them, please do not deface this monument, they were throwing rocks at it, and they didn't care and they were being disrespectful toward their friends for ignoring them. But they were also disrespectful to the monument. And in the end, they learn to respect the history behind this monument, to respect their friends. And they also learn forgiveness because they do ask for forgiveness. And in the end, they are forgiven. So not everyone's perfect. Sometimes we will be disrespectful. But I hope at least if a child is disrespectful after reading a book like this, they will know that if they ask for forgiveness, they will be forgiven. And I think that's also something very important for parents to teach their kids.

So I've been thinking about tradition, it feels like, for a long time, Julie. So I think since I was a kid, I've had a pretty strong illogical, meaning it's not something that I thought through, but rather just felt reverence for tradition. There's something that you feel in the way it was done before you and the way it was done before your parents and the way it was done before that it's handed down. As I got older, and I think this is part and parcel of being a young person. This is why, as I laid out at the beginning of the show today, revolutions actually do begin with young people, positive and negative revolutions. The American revolutionaries were very young dudes. So we're the Soviet revolutionaries.

So it's what are you revolting against? But you kind of start to then dismiss the idea of tradition because hey you're full of hubris you're young you're reinventing things and you're here to do it better than they've done it in the past and you can also see the problems with tradition like slavery is a human practice that exists within the realm of tradition it has always existed it is something that we've done from beginning of time and the fact that we always did it does not give it does not give it moral authority right but i feel like that's an exception to the rule like instead of seeing that and going well that that that gives we should question tradition even more I think we should analyze tradition even more because there's something about passing things on for thousands of years, multi-generationally, that by its very nature suggests it has value. Otherwise, it would not have survived. If your brain goes back to slavery, remember, there are exceptions to every rule. But the fact that human beings formed families, raised kids, over millennia, suggests it's the best societal fundamental building. block and on and on we can look at things that have survived humanity that survival is tradition

and it gives value the existence of the the more the practice the culture that makes it a valuable tradition you're absolutely right and if you think about it in a lot of our nation schools what they're trying to do is they're looking at stains in history such as slavery okay that is a perfect example and they want to erase it they want to take books away that actually teach about slavery, about Abraham Lincoln, about civil rights movements. They want to erase history. In order for our youth to learn,

they need to learn about history. They need to respect how we got here today. And the mistakes that we made and the corrections we made to get here today. So, yes, they made mistakes back then, and here we are today. We have gotten so much further. But if you erase history,

then how are we to learn from? like you mentioned, traditions and history and respecting the history that came before us and what led us to where we are today. And we, these children, and we as parents, are teaching the future. And someday they're going to be a part of history when they grow up. And so how do we correct the problems and the mistakes of the past? We teach and we share these valuable traditions and lessons of our past in order to prevent it from ever happen. again. If you wipe out history, it's going to possibly happen again, right? So I don't understand why there are so many schools now in this country that are so against this and they're so woke and they're so

afraid of actually teaching children part of American history and they want to erase part of the past. And I think that is why our children don't necessarily respect history because the school systems are taking it away. Yeah, I think it's a combination of two things. I just think it's hubris. Every generation thinks it can reinvent the world in their own image and it will always be better. And the other is the more overt revolution against Western civilization. And we have an example of this hubris at the very least. I wanted to point you to Julie to this today. The Education Department finds University of Pennsylvania violated Title IX over transgender swimmer. This is, of course, about Leah Thomas, the man swimming as a woman at the University

of Pennsylvania. One, the Division I, NCAA 500-yard freestyle, mediocre as a man. Everyone knows the story at this point of Leah Thomas, is made popular by Rowley Gaines. But now the Education Department's Office of Civil Rights Division is saying that Penn violated Title IX, which is, I think, a step towards not just accountability but sanity and fairness i mean it's fairness this is not and what really bothers me is that the mainstream media is so stuck in focusing on conservatives republicans hating on the trans movement and being discriminatory that's not what this is about i mean just on monday i was talking on fox and friends about this trans student here in long island in Shirley, New York, 14-year-old girl, six feet tall competing on the women's or the girls track team.

She does not take hormones. She only identifies socially as a girl, but she's a biological boy, and therefore she's allowed to run on a track team. Is that fair? Absolutely not. I have a 15-year-old daughter. She's nowhere near six feet tall. And, You know, parents are saying, you know, this is not about hate. It's about fairness. And why is it that because we have to be so woke these days that we have to then be unfair? I can't even understand why the two should be in the same sentence. There is absolutely no sense of that whatsoever. And that's where we are today. And, you know, for parents who are at home trying to explain to their children what trans means, maybe try to teach acceptance, but also teach fairness, not the hate. that those that don't believe that it's okay for a female or for a biological male to compete on a female team you're therefore considered a discriminating trans anti-gay you know homophobe that's not the message but that's the message that a lot of liberal parents are teaching their kids and then they grow up to be those college students who are protesting at these

heinous protests well i want these office of civil rights divisions at the doj and the education department to look into more it's my belief that over the last five to seven years we have been unconstitutional, openly anti-Western civilization, by embracing identity, whether or not it's race or gender, we have been anti-American. And I think there's been serious violations that need to be investigated, whether or not that's driven out of what we've talked about today, anti-traditionalism, progressivism, reinvention of the world in your own image, whatever it is, it's un-American. And I want more of this.

I want some accountability and correction because that's the bedrock of our tradition. I was really excited to read about your book. I think it's really cool what you've done with brave books, a monumental mistake. I love stories, which you talked about the power of story. Totally agree. And I think even the age group you're targeting,

I've thought, should I write a YA book? Like, I got to write a book. Every Fox person writes a book. I got to write a book. I think so. You need to get on the book train, Will. I don't know.

What are you waiting for? But I like that you're using story, targeting young people, and focusing on things like tradition and history. It's all about tradition, install it, and then just instilling morals and values. I mean, that's really what BraveBooks is about. Oh, by the way, you can catch the book,

bravebooks.com. And right now we have a special that you'll get two of my free books if you subscribe, and then you get a wholesome book every month as part of a book club on Bravebooks.com. Awesome. A monumental mistake by Julie Banderas.

Julie, it's great to have you on the show. Again, let's not make it the last time. Oh, fun. Oh, absolutely not. I'll see you soon. There she goes. Julie Banderas. Thank you so much. Coming up, comedian and lawyer, Vince August,

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Coming up on the Will Cain show, streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel. Subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. Over to the Willisha. Rob Skoggins says on YouTube, something's wrong with Ivy League colleges. When and how did this happen? We could at least go back, I would suggest, to the 1930s and 40s, when radical ideas and revolutionary thought led every academic in the direction of progressivism and the left. Progressivism itself, an idea dating back to the 19-teens and 1920s, an ideology that rejects the

value of the past and tradition. Land Party Animal says, that's right, go to college, get into debt, learn to be a total S-for-Brains. There's a real question about the value of college. Yes, land. Ron says it's spiritual warfare. Mike Oswald says, college is a place of higher learning, not protest in fair mongering. if you wish to protest do it off campus and finally smells addicted says in response to me saying

the quad is a powder keg are you sure that's not a beer keg tushay ron tushay smells addicted very nice all right joining us now is comedian and attorney judge judge as well former judge former judge So careful, Will Kane, careful, formal judge, Vince August here on the Will Kane show. What's up, Vince? How are you, Will? It's nice to see you somewhere where you're not going to get preempted like you do every day at 4 o'clock.

What have you been on the air for a total of 15 minutes since you started that show? Fair warning. Donald Trump is speaking right now. It won't be preempted here, us streaming on the Fox News YouTube channel on the Fox News Facebook page. feel free to throw that up just for tradition's sake today's dan uh but fair warning he will be speaking at four o'clock eastern time today as well it's been a uh soft launch vince it's been a soft launch uh there on the will cane show i want to talk to you man about some of this uh due process

okay Donald trump yesterday sat down marking the hundredth day of his administration with terry morin at abc news they had quite a back and forth okay here's a little bit of what they talked about when it comes to illegal immigration and due process. The law requires that every single person who is going to be deported gets a hearing first. Well, I'll have to ask the lawyers about that. All I can say is this, if you're going to have 21 million people, and if we have to get a lot of them out because they're criminals, we're going to have to act fast. We can't.

Do you think we can give 21 million trials? Let's say each trial takes two weeks. Is that what you want us to do? The law is the law, sir. The law is the law. The law doesn't say anything about trials. No, not trials. Hearings.

These people came in. They're not citizens. They came in illegally. They came into a country illegally. We have to get them out. There's a legal process for that. I can't be sure. And we follow the legal process.

I can't, I can't have a trial, a major trial for every person that came in illegally. And the interesting thing, Vince, as we're joined by Donald Trump at his cabinet meeting, flanked by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of Defense Pete Heggshead as we speak live and just for tradition's sake we're going to bring him there onto your screens maybe we'll dip in and listen in a minute but the interesting thing is there is due process there has been due process outside of those designated under the alien enemies act uh designated as a foreign terrorist organization and by the way when it comes to kilmar brago-garcia already had a great amount of due process it's like we're pretending like they're not getting

any measure of due process? Well, there's a lot there that you just said to unpack. And, you know, listen, you're going to test my 14th Amendment knowledge. I mean, the one thing that we do know is the 14th Amendment applies to, and the specific word used as person. It's not citizen. That's the first thing to remember because a lot of people like, why do these people even get due process?

Well, that's why they get due process. The second thing is, it's true. it's due process. It's not a trial. So I think that a lot of people don't understand what the difference is between those. And that's another thing. Then there's the new wrinkle that you just added. And you're right. There's this new qualification or characterization of MS-13 as a terrorist organization. And then you get into whether or not those terrorist organization members have a right to even due process. So there's a lot of layers there. The only thing with the guy in Maryland that was deported that I think works against the administration is whoever it was that said, we made a mistake in deporting that person.

Well, if that's the case, then undo the mistake. Now, again, how far do you go to undo that mistake? And is it one of those things? Well, we can't because now we've lost control of the mistake, which happens. You know, other countries have their legal rights to the people that are now in their country. So there's a lot of nuance here that people have to, like, kind of step back and look at and say it's a lot of levels, a lot of layers. Okay, I want to get into some of that on our screen right now. Kelly Loeffler is speaking at the Donald Trump cabinet meeting.

In the background is Elon Musk. Fellas, I don't know if Vince has returned on his screen and he can see it or fellows back in New York. Is Elon Musk double-hadding? Does he have a Make America? I don't know what the red hat it says. Is it on top of a black hat? I think Gulf of America is the hat he's wearing. I think he's wearing it over that Make America Great Again.

Black hat he likes to wear a lot. So he's got a hat on top of a hat. Interesting. How bad would you like to be a billionaire for one day and just not have any care at all? like that. Just one day. Two a days. Can you bring up the audio as Elon Musk talks a little bit about his double hat? Here we go, Vince. Let's listen.

So, you know, the American people voted for secure borders, safe cities, and sensible spending. And that's what they've gotten. Tremendous amount has been accomplished in the first hundred days. As everyone has said, it's more than it's been accomplished in any administration before ever period so this is this portends very well for what happened for the rest of the administration I think this could be the greatest administration's on your country all right he's now talking about along with Donald Trump the first hundred days of

administration he made some jokes about his double hat yeah I mean the world's richest man does not seem to take himself too seriously which is kind of kind of endearing Vince. Could be one of the better hair transplants or whatever that is that he did. Could be one of the best ever, by the way. Well, you would hope with the world's richest man.

I have to go back and look at his before and afters on the hair transplants. I find it fascinating what you would think money would be insurance, but Matthew McConae has had perhaps the greatest hair transplant. I would put it above, above Elon Musk.

right but for some reason money did not take care of lebron james his has not seemed to have taken to the same level so it's not simply being rich but the lakers but the lakers did have a basketball player who apparently found the cure to AIDS so i don't think the lakers can double dip there because i think it's the one cure maximum per team you can't have it all on that one miracle Come on. Only one medical miracle per team in the NBA. That's it. That's it. More of the Will Cain Show, right after this. It is time to take the quiz. It's five questions in less than five minutes.

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he was talking about this concept of due process let's listen to timpool due process does not mean a criminal trial well that's what i mean dude they just they didn't deserve a criminal trial so they didn't get one, therefore due process was followed, even though there was no process. Well, the process was just get out. See, this is the gaslighting. And I got to stop you. This is the gas lighting. They say they were deported with, you know, like under Obama, none of these guys got due process. That's incorrect. What process are you do? Okay, as an illegal immigrants, you get a, you get reviewed by law enforcement. They check your IDs. They can check the IDs and detain any American citizen at any point.

If there's reasonable suspicion, which is incredibly easy to get, an officer can stop you and ask you questions. They can ask for your ID. You don't have to give it to them. You can say, am I being detained, and you can go. But if they have reasonable suspicion that you're an illegal immigrant,

they can escalate a little bit. All right, so he begins the process there of what you talked about. Let's start with the 14th Amendment. Okay, every person is due, due, due process. Due process is not a one-size-fits-all, cracker jack box price it's different for everyone an american citizen gets more due process an illegal immigrant gets less due process and as you talked about and what does that mean full blown

criminal trial i do believe that's sort of what's being like gaslighted or led to believe much of the american population terry moran says to don't no no a hearing okay then you have the third component which you talked about the introduction of the alien enemies act for anyone is a trend day arrago or ms 13 member less and less and less due process owed to that person every step of the way and from what we've seen everyone including kilmar brago garcia got some level of the process along the way somewhere they had a hearing they were deemed an illegal immigrant i agree with you about the mistake i don't know what to make of the quote unquote mistake but just letting everyone at home know the facts of what is due process how does it apply differently to different people and

everyone got some measure of due process, changes the narrative being sold to you about what's happening under the administration? It does, and listen, I'm not the right guy to start quoting the Davis decision from 2001, because it's not like I just read it. I'm familiar with it. I think where it gets messy is the incarceration period and the holding period, because from what I understand, and I'm sure your viewers contest. me on this and you can too. I think there's a 90-day maximum that you can detain somebody.

And that's where this whole thing gets messy from administration to administration because you have one administration that calls process, handing someone paperwork, and sending them on their way and doing nothing. Then you have another administration that says, well, we're going to hold you in Gitmo, or we're going to deport you, or we're going to hold you indefinitely. And again, the problem here, Will, is when you start doing this by executive orders, and you don't have people that just come down and write laws, and right now you have Trump where he does, you have the House, you have the Senate with slight majorities, I don't understand why someone is not just putting something on the floor, like we saw with the last administration, look, is it going to be bipartisan? No. It's going to be perfect. no, but at least codify the process part of it. That shouldn't be that hard. Well, but I think there's an answer. Here's the answer, Vince. By the way, I'm not familiar with the Davis opinion. I can't push back nor endorse what you had to say. I do know that in

1996, I believe, President Bill Clinton signed a bill that laid out this, what we've talked about, this diminishing level of due process depending upon your status in this country. and so that some of that is codified and was under a democrat president my suspicion is this a you have an administration that is focused on action not waiting we've waited long enough we're going to get stuff done b the courts will have their say the supreme court of the united states will weigh in a lot of these things will be litigated at the supreme court will they they will have their say on due process see so a lot of this is inside the executive branch. So there is levels of interpretation for enforcement when it comes to the executive,

even in the face of a Supreme Court opinion. D, I think we will see some of this when it comes to the quote-unquote big, beautiful bill. And the reason that they're not piecemealing at out, Vince, is because you know as well as I do the nature of politics. Like once you do an immigration bill, then the problem is Republicans are all, you're right, they have House, they have Senate. where do they go fall apart it isn't on immigration they fall apart on budget budget is where they fall apart they all have different views on deficit and so forth how do you keep them together by making them making it be packaged with something where they are all together immigration so if you do immigration quick and get it out of the way the problem is are you ever going to get a budget

and we haven't had a budget and i don't know how many years we're continuing resolution and so forth we got to get this fiscal thing on track. But sticking with the immigration and here's where I tend, and listen, I'm a lawyer, where I tend to be hesitant and letting the Supreme Court basically make laws where Congress doesn't do anything. And we've seen it. We've seen it with abortion rights. We've seen it with a lot of gay marriage.

We've seen it with all these things is that, well, you say, okay, well, they're going to rule on this thing and we're going to have a new law. I don't want a country where the judicial branch is acting where Congress is not, because, yeah, when the court is kind of, you know, conservative in your favor, you're like, oh, this is cool. Then it goes the other way. And then all of a sudden, so what happens is it's never up to voters. It becomes up to judges depending on the cycle of the court that you're in. And that's not the way the country's built. That's not the way it was ever supposed to be built.

as someone who does like the way the country was founded that does like the different branches, you know, the danger here is that Congress runs on these issues, they raise money on these issues, and they never act on the issues. So, you know, yeah, and it's the president is always forcing the hand. So what you do is one administration, open borders, go wild, 20 million people here, they're never going to hear all these cases. You handcuffed the other administration and the only thing Trump can do, which is, look, you want me to seal the border? Here's what I have to do to seal it.

Now, the one thing we have seen, no one's trying to even across will. So the effect of his policy has stopped that. Okay, so now we got to get to that other part that you're talking about, which is this process part. And what is it? It's no way you're going to have 10 million here. Forget about trials. 10 million hearings in four years. It's not going to happen.

God, it just shows how bad what happened over the last four years was. It really does. Like you just let all these people in and you can't do anything about it unless you have a president that acts. And I think that puts us back on the issue because I hear you. I don't want laws made by judges in the face of laws made by Congress. I also don't want an executive that can't act because of judges. And we're seeing. a lot of that right now. I don't believe the district judges should have the power for nationwide injunctions. I want the Supreme Court to hear that right away. You control your district, your region. You don't control the nation. I don't think the founders had any idea that 300 and some odd district judges would have equal power to the president. No one thought that. And so I want the

executive to be able to do what he's been elected by the people to do. And listen, no one saw And I don't think even when you had immigration problems. I mean, what were immigration problems? As an Italian born of immigrants, you know, we saw the immigration problem in Italian neighborhoods in Brooklyn and the Bronx. And you literally had people getting onto ships and jumping off of ships. But that was something that was more controllable. You can count it when you literally have caravans of hundreds of thousands of people. the government does nothing, and you overwhelm the government, you overwhelm the courts,

well, the only thing you can do is what this president did. Now, whether or not it's legally right, whether it's, you know, you want to get into moral ethics to me, it's just about whether it's legally right, whether it's legally right or not, you know, and you're going to battle that in the courts, well, then what you're going to do is you're going to still hold up 10 million people. So fighting this thing in the courts, not going to speed up that process. And the main thing is, though, what we can agree on is, I hope we can. Like, we're actually talking about the issue at hand.

So this hyperventilation about Donald Trump is an authoritarian dictator who's scooping up American citizens and absconding them off to foreign gulags, it's just like, it's just, it's nonsense. It's complete nonsense. And Obama had kids in cages. So look, we could do this with every president along the way, whether it's, you know, bombing Syria, putting kids in cages, the deporter in chief, as Obama was called. We could go back to Clinton and what he said with regards to immigration, where if you took that speech, copy and pasted it and showed it for 350 million Americans and said, who was the president that said this? You know, everybody on the left would take Trump, and they'd be like, no, wrong, Clinton. So let's forget about that and somehow, some way, codify this thing.

Now, again, if you want to leave that to the Supreme Court, well, guess what's going to happen? It could get overturned, God knows when. But if these people actually sit down and write laws, which none of them want to do because they want to campaign on it, then what are you left with here other than what the president's done, which is, look, these terrorist organizations, we got to outlaw them. abandon you lose rights and you know what happens in that process will you're going to have mistakes it's just part of the nature of the beast you're going to have look you have them both ways so like the people that came over the border that didn't get any due process see nobody wants to talk about that no one wants to talk about the guideaways no one knows anything about but they want to hang their hand on this one guy from maryland because you could put a face to it and say look

here's our current poster person that we're going to run with. Even presuming for a moment that it's true that it was a mistake, one mistake versus 20 million mistakes. By the way, on one last note on this, here's Ilan Omar. If they thought the first hundred days of chaos would break us, they were wrong. Because across this country, millions of us are standing up for our human rights and our democracy. Judges are fighting back to block these unconstitutional executive orders. Here in Congress, we are fighting back every single day.

We are fighting to protect immigrant families from mass detention and deportation. We are fighting to prevent horrific cuts to Medicaid, SNAP, and Social Security. It won't be easy, but we must continue to organize, to speak out, and to build a future that reflects our highest ideals. You know, Vince, there's one more thing that we should point out that you did. I think so far in the first 100 days, roughly 160,000 people have been deported. 5.3 million people were deported under President Obama. I mean, well, this is the thing.

And, you know, I love this 100-day thing because it's such. a take on the way we are today with this, you know, the immediate reaction, immediate response of social media and like buttons and things that we've reduced the presidency to what have you done in your first hundred days? Yeah, but the answer is a lot. But the answer is a lot, Vince. Even still, judge a marriage in the first hundred days and then come see me in year two. ask me how that first 100 days was according to the second year at that marriage how you doing now? How's that bliss

from that first hundred days? Look man you can't this immediate gratification this immediate response thing I hate it and everyone just you know it's so funny because look and both sides do it you know the tragedy of Biden the tragedy of Trump and it's like rather than

look at you know what we want to say hasn't been done, hasn't been fixed. Let's look at what has been done and the effect of it. But nobody wants to do that because, again, the way this thing is attacked is we're going to pick this person from Maryland. Ah, there was a mistake. Let's hang our hat on this guy.

And see, you don't know how to deport people. And here's what's going to happen to everybody. And then it becomes amplified when Trump does that thing will, that, that Neither one of us can defend. I'm sorry. Where he says, you know what? Maybe we'll deport citizens do. Who cares?

It's like, dude, don't make it work. Stop. Don't do that. No one can defend that. And you just make the mistake amplified. So, you know, again, somebody's got to sit down. And when I say sit down, I feel like, I don't mean on the steps at a capital. You know, don't sit on a step.

I feel like he does that. That's what I mean. I almost feel like he does it as catnip for them to go chase. He does. He does. Chase that. I'm going to deport American citizens. Chase Trump 2028. Chase these things that are meaningless while we get real stuff done here in America. There's a little bit of context, nuance, and truth when it comes to due process and illegal immigration with a former judge and a comedian, Vince August. Vince always love having you on the show. Thank you so much.

Thank you. All right. Take care. Check him out on X. Vince August. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is now speaking. at the cabinet meeting. Looks like an entertaining cabinet meeting. I'm going to let you go watch that now as President Trump has his top heads all together around a table. And that's going to do it for us today here on the Will Kane show.

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