Will Cain Country - Troubling Pattern with Missing Scientists: Left Phones, Keys, Wallets (ft. Rachel Campos-Duffy & Buddy Brown)

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

While Will questions the overall alleged conspiracy of the 11 missing or dead top U.S. scientists, Anthony Chavez is among a handful who followed an odd pattern: he picked up a gun and walked out of the front door, leaving everything behind. Author of ‘All-American Patriotism' and 'Fox & Friends Weekend' Co-Host Rachel Campos-Duffy helps Will unravel the mystery, before taking a look at the allegations by the Justice Department that legal advocacy group Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) funneled millions of dollars to hate groups such as the KKK. Plus, Country Musician Buddy Brown shares his efforts to help get the next generation back into the great outdoors as detailed in his new children’s book, “Ain’t No Wi-fi In The Woods.” Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Let's say it was time to leave this mortal earth. You might leave the house without your keys. You might leave the house without your wallet. You might even leave the house without your phone. But there's one thing that raises my eyebrow that was left behind by one of the missing scientists. Anthony Chavez. Today on Wilcane Country. It's Wilcane Country.

Streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page here for you on a daily basis by following us at Spotify or on Apple. The Southern Poverty Law Center has been indicted by a federal grand jury. So says interim attorney general Todd Blanche. Why? For purportedly funneling me. millions of dollars to far-right extremist groups, including the KKK.

New evidence suggests that when racism is in short supply and your meaning for existence is to ensure the fight against racism, perhaps organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center for over a half a century, the leader in singing the alarm of hate groups might just in fact create their own racism might just, in fact, fuel their own hate group. New details show that they even funded those who showed up at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. It's all Fugazi. It's all a fraud.

And we're going to break that down just a little bit later. Along with her brand new book, American, All-American Patriotism, celebrating 250 years of America's greatness. My old friend and co-host at Foxman Friends Weekend, Rachel Campos Duffy. But we start today with the ongoing mystery around the missing scientists, the dead scientists in America. Yesterday, we broke down the case of General Neil McCaslin. If there is a vector point, if there is a center point, it most certainly would be General Neil McCaslin, who headed up the Air Force Research Laboratory, whose tentacles extend into Los Alamos and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Today I want to focus in on another individual, also missing. That individual is Anthony Chavez.

Nothing gets my attention more on these cases than the people who are missing. I do believe, as I've laid out for you, that we've made too much of this story. We've reached too far in wide if the name NASA is connected. If there's any allusion to alien enthusiasm, if we can somehow attach the word scientist, we've reached far and wide beyond our fingertips to lump into one bucket an overarching narrative. Several cases don't back that up, as we've discussed. I'm very, very doubtful around the details of Amy Eskridge.

But when someone is missing, that leaves in quite obviously open mystery. And when it comes to Anthony Chavez, the details read as follows. Chavez was 78 years old. He was retired research and development engineer at Los Alamos National Laboratories. Chavez was, in fact, like McCaslin, dealing in some highly secretive research. He worked at the dual-axis radiographic hydrodynamic test facility. That's a critical site for nuclear weapons research. However, Chavez had been retired for something like 13 years, 78 years old, research and development engineer.

Now, Chavez has a detail in his story that is shared by Stephen Garcia. who also went missing in New Mexico. He worked with the Kansas City National Security Campus in Albuquerque, New Mexico. It's also a detail that is shared by Melissa Cassius, who went missing in 2025, also an employee of Los Alamos National Laboratory. That detail that they all share is one that is also shared by Major General Neil McCaslin. And that detail reads as follows. that he seemingly walked out of his house without his wallet, his phone, or his keys.

As did Melissa Casillas. As did Stephen Garcia. Garcia left behind his wallet, his phone, his keys, his car, but took along with him a handgun. So, I ask myself, what's an... What's a probable explanation? Before we run to being beamed up by a UFO, before we being run to being killed by the Chinese, before we even run to being disappeared by a secret of organization within the United States government, what are other probable explanations?

Not because I feel the compulsion to prove a negative, but rather because you have to walk through this exercise in the pursuit of common sense. and with many of these individuals there are indications of mental health concerns certainly was the case with amy eskridge indications reporting suggest that might also be the case with stephen garcia there are even some hints that that might have been part of the story of general neil mccaslin however if you were someone suffering from mental illness if you were someone looking to take their own life i can understand to some degree that you would walk out of your home without your phone, walk out of your house without your keys, walk out of your home without your wallet. I do think that sounds a bit odd when it comes to suicide. I think most of people that want to commit suicide usually not only want to be found, but want to leave behind some message. You often hear about the note unless it was an act of passion. They leave behind some legacy, some insight.

Not always. And so I can presume that there are cases where people simply go, I'm just going to walk away. I'm going to swim away. I am going to disappear. And that phone could serve as a lifeline. You mentioned it earlier today, two days. It could even serve as a source of guilt, a connection to the world, a reason not to do what you kind of are considering doing.

Leave behind, therefore, the phone. We should point out, in the case of Melissa Cassius, she also set a factory reset on both her work and her personal phone. Odd. However, if I were thinking of taking my own life and leaving my phone behind, I would probably want to do a factory reset. There are things I want to leave for my loved ones, and there are things I do not want to leave for my loved ones. And I do not want them searching around on my Instagram algorithm. So I guess I can, to some extent, understand maybe doing a factory reset on your phone before you wanted to leave this earth. But are you doing that on a work phone? It's a great point, Patrick.

You're not doing it on a work phone. The factory reset was also on her. professional phone. But my focus today is Anthony Chavez. Because I can walk through this exercise and I can come up with plausible explanations. I think it's important to do this. Plausible, probable, possible on whether or not this chain of behavior is something that is extremely outside the norm.

And I will confess, I do not know. I do not know. Do a lot of people go missing in New Mexico? Do a lot of people take their own lives in this fashion in New Mexico? Do a lot of people that take their own lives, leave their phone behind? I don't know. It doesn't add up with common sense. But there is one detail in Anthony Chavez's story that raises more suspicions.

I'm trying to conduct this through a very open mind. I think I've been clear over the last couple of days that I don't think it's appropriate to simply draw these connections based on very loose circumstances and very loose words like science. But Anthony Chavez not only did not leave behind, he not only left behind his phone, his keys, his wallet, his car, Anthony Chavez also left behind his cigarettes. And that, to me, is a more interesting detail. Seems small. It does not easily fit a pattern I would think of someone willing or interested in taking their lives. Leaving your phone behind, fine.

I don't want to be found. I don't want to talk. Leave behind my keys. I don't need them. I'm not coming back. but I would think, and it's a bit of a stretch to make this like a nail in the coffin, it's just something else that raises your eyebrows, that if you're walking off with the intent to never come home,

if you're walking off with the intent to take your own life, you might have one less smoke. Or a whole pack. Now, I don't know if that makes me a good cop or a bad cop, but I would, if I were a cop, sit there and go, hmm, he left mine. of cigarettes. That's kind of weird. We all know we don't leave our phones behind. Nobody goes to check the mail. Nobody takes the garbage to the street. Nobody goes to the bathroom without their phone. So, but if you are looking to take your own life, maybe you are not behaving as normal

people do who are intending to stay alive. But I think you would take your cigarettes if you're going on a long walk off the proverbial short diving board. I would be curious where they left these things in their house, because that's a telling sign. Like, where did you leave your phone? Where did you leave your cigarettes and all those things? Are they all together in one place in your kitchen where you plop them down? Are they strewn about?

Because that gets into the mindset of the person that's leaving them. I would be curious to know that. Yeah. Report charge that Chavez did have access to highly classified information. He was working on secretive projects. It was 13 years in his past. He had purportedly been retired. He was 78 years old.

Still, these details are the ones, mostly around the people that are missing. And I should note that a lot of the people involved in these stories, like, for example, the family of Melissa Casillas, do not think their loved ones were connected in any way with the other missing scientists. Monica Reza went missing on a hike in California. Her family does not think she was in any way connected to Neil McCaslin. The families of most of these people doubt the official story that is taking shape in the media. Joining me now on this and much more is my former co-host and my friend and the author of All-American Patriotism, celebrating 250 years of America's greatness. It is Rachel Campo Stuffy.

Hi, Rachel. Hey, well, thanks for having me on. It's a fascinating story you're covering. Card Navuilin. What do you think? Well, you know, I love a good conspiracy theory. You know me well, and so many of them have been spoiler alerts rather than conspiracy theories in my book since COVID. So, and January 6 as well.

So I don't know. It's interesting that the families are like, no, no, no, no. they're not connected. Is that because they really believe that, or is that because they're afraid they're next? I don't know. It's interesting. This past weekend, we covered it several times over the weekend

on Fox and Friends weekend. And I had James Comer on, and I asked Congressman Comer if he thought that it was a foreign government, and if he thought it was a foreign government involved in this, if, you know, which ones he thought they were. And then his camera went out. And so then everybody started writing and go,

it's part of the conspiracy. His camera went out. And so then they came back, like a few minutes later, we started, you know, we got his tech issue solved and we put him back on. And it was my mistake. I could have asked him, hey, back to that last question, was it a foreign government?

I didn't. I had this other question. I started going off on that. And then everyone thought that was a conspiracy. So then I called Congressman Comer and I was like, we never ragged got to that. I want to bring it back on the show before we go because everybody's freaking out and saying that, you know, this is a conspiracy that your camera went out and that I didn't ask the question. The last question I asked you in the first time we were talking. And then he sent me a statement that didn't answer the question. So what do you make of that? I'll tell you what I make of that. If I were trying to uncover a conspiracy, I think that Congressman Comer would not be one of my first stops. Like if you're going to, if you're going to stop somebody from talking and you're going to cut their camera out, the powers that be, I mean, Congressman Comer, whether I like Congressman Comer. But let's be real about all these investigations that he in the United States Congress have conducted. It's not like they've like broke the story necessarily on any of them. So, I don't know. Elected officials are not where I turn to for, you know, to lead the charge on getting the truth. How about that? Okay. He did go on to say, by the way, Rachel, somewhere else, if not on your program, that he did think it was foreign state actors. He said, not aliens, foreign state actors. And I get suspicious of that, well, because, you know, when President Trump was assassinated.

or had the assassination attempt and then Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And then there was the second assassination attempt on President Trump. Immediately everyone who, you know, wanted us to go to war with Iran was like, it's Iran, it's these foreign things. And I was like, they all seem like Democrats to me. So I don't know. I mean, sometimes the foreign thing can also be used by other people. to justify other things they want the government to do or hate they want us, you know,

to continue to say, you know, it's Iran, it's Iran so that that adds to the reasons why we need to go to war with Iran. Maybe there are perfectly good reasons to go to war with Iran, but I don't think that as far as I could tell, the assassination attempt on President Trump and on Charlie Kirk. I'm not seeing that connection, but there definitely were people trying to say that. So I don't know, maybe this is foreign governments involved in this scientist thing. Maybe maybe not. I don't know. It's very strange. But it does. What I need to know is there even a thing for the foreign governments to be involved in? Like I've been very open to this idea and I think I've been covering it pretty

extensively, but you still have to prove up that these people are connected in some way. And just being labeled a scientist isn't good enough to say, oh, we've got it. We've got, we've got something here. You brought up to families. Okay. I've said this several times. I don't believe the families are nailing the coffin evidence of yes, there is a conspiracy or no, there is not. I don't. But I do give them some weight, right? Because families presumably would be the least interested in forwarding something that is untrue about the death of their loved one. They want the truth.

Now, you could also argue the family doesn't have the truth. So when they're dismissive of it, they don't know. or that they're under their own pressure, as you suggested a moment ago. But I'll give you an example. Melissa Casillas, who purportedly the family says did not. They said she was a, what do you call it, an administrative assistant that was in charge of purchasing for routine office supplies. You know, that doesn't suggest on its face anything classified. Maybe she didn't tell them everything she did at work, and so maybe they don't know.

But they do believe she is one of these people who has walked off into the desert. they do believe their style play. They do. But they do not think it's anything more. They don't think it's connected to anything regarding her job or any other missing, quote, unquote, scientists. They say, in fact, she wasn't a scientist. Right. I know what they believe.

They believe it was connected in some way to domestic violence. That's what they believe. And so the point there is, there is, there are details on each one of these stories. that kind of carry a lot of weight before we just start attaching them together because they worked at Los Alamos or something like that. Sure. Well, I mean, and the thing is we should get to the bottom of it because it's a national security concern. If you have, you know, high-level scientists who are suddenly disappearing or supposedly committing suicide or whatever it is, then you're not going to be able to recruit a lot of great people to do really highly classified work if they think that, you know, they could be knocked off.

or disappeared. So it's important to get to the bottom of it, and I hope our government does. And I can't understand why we can't get to the bottom of it. But, you know, the thing is, ever since, you know, 2020, when I think, you know, when COVID started and so many inexplicable things from our government happened politically and so forth, I just, you know, I can't think of anything more important than transparency and, and getting to the bottom of these things because people are just losing so much faith in government. They just, you know, young people especially don't believe anything that comes out of the government anymore. They just don't feel like they're being that they can, that they can be trusted. And so I think that's

just from a cultural perspective, you and I sat with President Trump back in Bedminster when we did that interview and we asked him all these questions about, you know, whether it was 9-11. or JFK files and all these things. There is a deep desire among the American people to have all things revealed because it doesn't sometimes feel like the government is run by the people. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation

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but I think I can do a decent job of explaining it. And I'm really confident, Rachel, that you're going to have an opinion on this. And I'll try not to give you facts. that lead you towards the wrong opinion. Okay. So, Assistant Attorney General Todd Blanche has revealed that a federal grand jury has indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center. Everyone, I think most people know what the Southern Poverty Law Center is. It was founded like in 1971.

Its goal and its job is to highlight hate in America, hate groups. It's expanded over time to, look, focus on the family. They define as a hate group. Turning Point USA, they define as a hate group. Anything that disagrees with far-left politics, they define as a hate group. Okay. The Southern Poverty Law Center has been indicted for a whole host of things, but it's been revealed in this indictment. They were funding, they were sending money, a total of, I think, $3 million to various, quote-unquote, far-right groups.

I mean, legit far-right groups. Like, they gave over under, I believe, $100,000 to the KKK, legitimate. to the KKK. They gave, I believe it was something like just under $300,000 to unite the right. Now, Unite the Right, obviously, was the main sponsor of that rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which was the source of the very fine people hoax with Donald Trump. That in of itself is a hoax. But what we now know is a lot of the people that were there that day, you know, and President Trump famously said, I'm not talking about the news.

neo-Nazis or the white supremacist. But those that were present, the white supremacists and the neo-Nazis, were at least in part funded by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Now, to be fair, the Southern Poverty Law Center says what they were doing was paying informants inside those organizations and they turn all their information over to the FBI. I find that a little bit hard to believe, $3 million worth of informants. But it's pretty wild. The Southern Poverty Law Center was fueling and funding the exact thing that they say their existence is to fight. Right. And part of what they were doing is saying, well, there was all these, there's all this white supremacy and racism. And so therefore, we need to infiltrate these groups. I mean,

remember there were government spies, for example, in Latin Catholic right parishes. And so what do they want to achieve by saying that you know America's so racist or there's a white or Christian nationalist movement out there is more government control an ability to spy on and take out their political enemies so that's that's certainly part of it it could just be a money-making thing too I mean you saw this when when gay marriage was legalized a lot of these gay rights groups were like, well, now what? We've been, you know, making all this money and collecting all these donations to, but we just caught the dog, right? Like, we just did it. And so then they moved on to trans and now trans became a thing. And that was what was another thing. So it could be about the

money. It could be about more censorship and more centralized control and, um, and surveillance, which is so un-American. I think it's one of the things I worry about the most. these days is the amount of government surveillance that has been justified, whether it's through TSA at the airport and all these biometrics, but also we have no idea with these tech companies and what they can do, how much surveillance our country has, our government has over us. So who knows? I have no idea anymore. I've just sort of, it's just hard. It's hard. You don't know where all this is leading. It doesn't feel very freedom. It doesn't feel very, caught the dog. Is that what she said? Yeah.

You tell me with the dog that caught the bumper. What do I do now? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, caught the car. Yeah, the dog caught the bumper. Now what? I got the wrong. The bumper caught the dog. Yeah. No, it doesn't feel very freedom. Your book does? Yes. All-American patriotism, celebrating 250 years of America's greatness.

You've got chapters from various Fox News personalities and hosts. And, you know, Rachel, I did one. And, you know, I talked a lot about my vision of patriotism, my vision of America, which I do think is distinct from others. I think. I'm not sure. Tell me, like, tell me what other people had to say and what sort of their motivation was. Like, is this everyone what they think of when they think of what it is to be a patriotic American?

Yeah, and what they love about America, why they're so proud to be America, despite all these, you know, negative narratives about America or even some of the things we don't like that we see happening over the last, you know, 10 years. People still love America and believe in what its founding promised and believe that we're still the greatest country on Earth. It's still the lottery ticket. It's still the Willy Wonka golden ticket, you know, to be an American, to be born in America. to be born in America. Even if you're, you know, let's say you're a displaced Middle Easterner who ends up in Sweden or Italy or Spain. Yeah, they're happy to leave their country that has collapsed or has no opportunity.

But if they could come to America, they'd leave Europe in a heartbeat. We're still the number one place people want to live and there's a reason for it. And I think if you read this book, you start to understand why. Your chapter is, listen, everyone from Texas that's in the, this book has a very Texas version of of American. Really? I'm not the only one. No, no, because we have Lawrence in there, too. And it's, you know, Texas is one of, you know, Texas thinks they're their own country anyway. So it's kind of fun to read about Texas from Texans.

But I think what you would appreciate about this book in particular, Will, is you've always been somebody who appreciates the regionality of the country, that you really, reject the Starbucksization of America. You don't want everything to be homogeneous. You want people to have accents that reflect the area that they're from. And you want to see those highways filled with diners instead of, you know, fast food chains. And so you will get a sense when you read this book that that still exists. And if we are intentional about it, we can still preserve that.

if we know what we're preserving, right, if we think it's worthwhile and we actually acknowledge that. Go ahead. So here's the intellectual argument for my, you're right, my chapter, I've read my chapter back and I was like, this is about America, Will, not Texas. That's okay. But here, in my defense, here's my defense of this, I actually think this is my definition of patriotic Americanism. So I think that if you think of sort of the most coffee book table version,

of American patriotism, it probably started largely post-World War II. It is more of a national identity rallied around some common imagery that emerged, I think, in the victory after World War II. I'm not here to tell you that's wrong, but what I think patriotism looked like before that is a little closer to my vision of patriotism. So if you asked a patriotic American, or you drew a symbol of a patriotic American in the 17 and 1800s, what you would come up with is this sort of tapestry of 13 colonies that are very different from one another. And Jefferson and Adams, while intellectually might have something to discuss, lived very different lifestyles and talked very differently. And here's the intellectual part.

That literally was the little laboratories of democracy that we're going to be different. We're going to live differently. We're going to explore different ideas and self-governance. And we're going to get to the best wins. And so when I kind of celebrate Texas, but you're right, I also celebrate the Boston accent, you know, or whatever it is, I feel like I'm hearkening back to that vision of America. It's not that I dislike hot dogs, hamburgers, and baseball America and parades. You famously love parades. It's not just that it's not that I dislike that. I like that fine. But it isn't the one that pulls up my heartstrings as much in these other ways that I see as being symbolically American. So, Will, for your listeners, why do you love America? Why are you so patriotic?

Because I do know you, and I know you are very patriotic. You're not just loving Texas, although I love what you have to say. And by the way, there are other states, people from different states who had that same thing. I mean, if you read this book, you will appreciate that Jesse is the way he is because he's, you know, from the East Coast. And you are the way you are because you're from Texas. Is Jesse Long Island? Is he New York? He sort of, he grew up in Philly and he loves the East Coast and he's a kind of a preppy East Coast guy.

Yeah. Everybody has their own thing. I forget that he's Philly. Yeah? So Jesse's like vision of America is country clubs and lacrosse and, um, and, um, and, and loafers without socks and, uh, white, like white, white, white shorts and white pants, not white people. White, white, white shorts and white pants, not white people. White, white, white, white, white, white, white shorts and white pants. Well, you know, and then you have Dana Perino who has her version of sort of a Western, you know, she comes from that Western background.

So everybody has something different. So anyway, go back. So why do you love America? Yeah. Why do I love? Well, okay. The easiest answer for me, the one that pops in my head, the quickest is in your book, which everyone can check out, I didn't just talk about Texas. that is that is I tell this story in your book like I just remember going to the bank

I don't know why this memory sticks in my head and you'd go to the bank with your mom and your dad when you were little and one of the reasons you wanted to go to the bank either the drive-thru or walk in because they always had the lollipops I don't know if they had it I don't know if they did that in Arizona Wisconsin yeah remember the um-dum-dum-s right they always had the dumb-dums at the bank and so you're like I want to go to the bank and I just remember being in line and this older gentleman leaning down to me because I remember being small and he's been like I knew your granddad, Charlie. And that gave me the heartstrings of that moment of feeling connected to a community,

to a people, of having a history, of having an accountability. That creates accountability. My wife talks about that a lot. She grew up in Lubbock. She's like when that happens, you feel like you represent more than just yourself. So if you go get in trouble, you shame your family, not just yourself. And so that is sort of the emotional component. When it really expands to America, of course, I love Top Gun and World War II.

and all these things about America that are popular emotional connections to it. But the intellectual attraction to America for me started in law school. That's when I really started to study the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers and the ideas of our founders. And then that intellectual connection does become emotional at some point because you start to realize the special nature of this experiment, right? Yes. Yes.

It's really, really special this experiment, not replicated anywhere else. And then you fall in love with that idea of America. Absolutely. It's so interesting because next week, you know, the king and queen of England are coming to Washington, D.C., and there's going to be a state dinner and there's all this pomp in circumstance. And the event, the state dinner is going to be white tie, which is, you know, more formal than even black tie. And there's all this formality around it. But in the end, would any of us ever want to be English?

Hells no. Like, no way. No way. No way. And so, yeah, it's interesting and it's fun. It has this, you know, long, we have a lot of, they have a lot of really great traditions and that go back farther than ours. But it's just like, no, no one wants to be that.

For me, my experience, my chapter is, You know, very much influenced by the fact that my father is first generation. My mother is an immigrant. They are the two most patriotic people I know. And so when you are that close to the immigrant experience, you really have a very deep, deep appreciation. You know, my father was a shoe shine boy. You know, he shined shoes to make a little bit of money as a kid. He always had, you know, he would go up into the mountains of Arizona.

He lived in a little copper mining town. and he and his brothers would cut pieces of cactus off. They'd peel it and dice it and wash it and sell it door to door. Eventually he became a pina, little pinaata maker at the age of 12. He had his own little business. They were very, very poor. And my mother's situation was also one of not a lot of opportunity. And, you know, I look at how far in just one generation, you know, you can go in this country.

The American dream is real. And it's about hard work. Hey, Rachel, your dad, if I remember correctly, your dad is Mexican and your mom is Spanish. Do I have that right or is it reversed? That's correct. That's correct. I have that right, right? Yep.

Yes. Do you think I'm curious about something? Like, you know that I'm not just by virtue of living in Texas, but I'll be honest with you. Also, because my boys play soccer. I have a pretty fairly decent exposure to Latino culture in American, Latino culture. I would say you're among. And I tell my friends this. You know more about Latino culture than I would say 95% of most white people.

Okay, I like that. I think I'm going to put that in my bio. Let's take a quick break. But continue this conversation with the author of All-American Patriotism, Rachel Campos Duffy on Will Cain Country. The ride that steals the spotlight every time it hits the road, that's the Volkswagen TIG-1. Its sleek exterior makes a first impression you can't again. nor step inside to find available full leather seats and wood accents under the hood the available 201 turbocharged horse power engine gives it a fun to drive edge the refined tiguan you deserve more

style visit vw.ca to learn more s uvw german engineered for all welcome aboard via rail please sit and enjoy please sit and stretch steep flip or that and enjoy via rail love the way welcome back to will cane country we're still hanging out with rachel campos duffy one of the things i'll give my latino friends a hard time about and i will say this is like i don't like it when you root for mexico when they play america and soccer i agree i don't like it when you root it bothers me and i'm telling you and it tells me that you're like not fully in on being american in some way and um yep what do you think made your mexican father and your Spanish mother all in on being American. Was it your dad's military service?

What was it that made them be like so patriotically American? So my father was born in Arizona. So let me make that clear. His father was a Mexican citizen who never actually ended up becoming an American citizen, but his mother did. And my father, you know, back then, assimilation was real. I mean, my dad grew up in this little tiny town in the mountains of Arizona, and he wanted to be Elvis, and he played baseball, and he loved Hollywood movies, and he aspired to be an American. It didn't mean, like, in his home, like, I remember asking him, and I talk about it in the book, are you, you know, this is a home where both of his parents probably at home spoke Spanish. I'm sure virtually every meal he had inside of his home was Mexican food. His mother made flour tortillas every single morning, you know, very traditional. And I said, are you Mexican-American or are you American?

And he said, I'm an American. Because at some point, I don't know, I think it happened somewhere in the 70s, Will, where assimilation became a bad word. Now, my mom married my father. in her early 20s when he was stationed abroad. He joined the Air Force. He got stationed in Madrid. He met my mom.

My mom, one of the first things she did was teach herself English. She taught herself English. And she made sure, because this was now in the 70s, they tried to get my mom, and my mom found out that my brothers were pulled into some bilingual course in elementary school and some bilingual, like, track. And she found out, she barely. she was just learning English herself. And she marched herself down to that school and said,

why are my kids not in the main classroom? And obviously it was because the last name was Campos, right? And she looked at them and she said, you put my kids back in the English classroom because English is the language of opportunity in this country. And if you want to talk to somebody who has an accent, you can talk to me, but it's not going to be my kids. And assimilation was a positive thing.

assimilation and love of country was just something I grew up with. My mother became a citizen when I was, you know, in kindergarten, and she went through a whole course, you know. And by the way, I'm going to tell you this too well. I don't know if I've told you this before. When my mom became a citizen, she was married to, you know, I'd been married to an American military man for many years, had American-born children,

and it finally got her citizenship when I was in kindergarten. And the FBI went to, Spain and they met with her mother and her sisters, because her father was, was, had passed away at this point. Why? Because they wanted to make sure she wasn't a communist or a prostitute. That's what they did back then. That's the kind of care that we had in our immigration system to make sure the people we were bringing over were people who loved our country and wanted to make it better. We didn't let commies in. They wanted to make sure she wasn't a communist. By the way, my mother is the furthest thing from a communist. Now they sit in Congress and we're

And we have communists, AOC, Mundani, all these people who are in higher office. So I don't know what happened, but the citizenship process, which is so important, so you don't have people waving flags from other countries in our country. I remember also, when Sean was in Congress, there was a lot of debate about, you know, these dreamer kids. And they would come down the halls of Congress and they would be waving Mexican flags and all these other flags. like, I literally stopped some and said, what are you doing? If you're waving a Mexican flag and you want us to make you an American citizen, are you insane? So, I mean, I don't know what happened, but it's time for us to own it back. And I think that this book, this book talks about our founding. It's about reclaiming our monuments, no more tearing down statues, understanding who

we are. And I lay that out in the intro, you know, the sacrifices made by our founders and why it matters and why I'm so glad we're an American. But every chapter then, you and Lawrence and Sean Hannity and Ainsley and Griff and Charlie, everyone has a very different story from a very different state of why they love America. And I think it's about rebooting this. I think we've woken up from the woke fever. I think that's over, but we do have to go back and learn our kids, especially, things they didn't learn about our country. And one thing I think we should do, Will, and I know you would agree with me is we need to take our kids on road trips again. We need to get them to see our country.

You can't love this country until you go and see it and meet her people and understand how beautiful the landscape is and how amazing her people are. Get off the interstate. That's a plug, by the way, for the Department of Transportation. That's a Department of Transportation message, I feel like. That's what that was. It's all connected. That wasn't just Rachel.

That was basically the secretary. I was speaking to the secretary right there. But you do on. The best vacation I've ever taken was when I was between jobs in 2020, and I had six-week road trip with my family across the American West, the best. Get off the internet. Where did you go? And while you're at it, well, I actually started in Tennessee. I went to Moundsville, Alabama.

I went to the place where Bonnie and Clyde were killed in Louisiana. Then I went home. Then I went to my wife's home. Then we headed north to Mount Rushmore, Montana, Yellowstone, back down into Utah, where we We did Bryce, Zion, then Grand Canyon. Then on the way home, we did have to stop where Billy the kid was buried in New Mexico. We did it all. It was incredible.

That's awesome. Everyone should do that. This summer is the 250th birthday of America. You can start now with getting Rachel's book, All-American Patriotism, Celebrating 250 years of America's greatest. I got to run, Rachel, but I'd love to have, you can phone in. I know it's hard to get you, but we got to talk about the Pope at some point. Okay. And there's no greater expert that I can think of to talk about the Pope.

I'd love to talk about it. Okay. You got it. All right. Thanks, Ralph. Rachel Campos Duffy. Ghost of Fox and Friends here. All right.

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And we'll be talking about here. this make of animal farm all right i mentioned that um he's hanging out somebody actually is is asking me this right now on social media let me just somebody

am i yeah fubar winiski that's one of those names I feel like I need to be careful pronouncing it took i did that one slowly fubar winiski says is that guy a country singer talking about me i think so yeah that's a compliment that shirt yeah

My shirt? Now that guy, am I pointing the right direction on the screen? That guy is a country singer. Buddy Brown on the other side of the screen for me right now is a country music singer. He's also the author of a brand new book, Ain't No Wi-Fi in the Woods. He's got a huge YouTube channel Buddy Brown music and he joins me now. What's up, buddy? Hey, well, good to see you, man.

Good to see you as well. So this morning kind of getting ready to talk to you. I started listening to some of you. your music, which I started with what has the most listens on Spotify, which is if our country still have balls. I tell you, buddy, I was a little blown away. I was a little blown away. I'm like, whoa, whoa. And then I just kept going. Like, there was one about driving through the ghetto, and there was one about, what is it? I'm not being. Man, I've never heard somebody be so provocative in music.

That's just the way we talk down here in Mississippi. What are the lines from, if our country still have balls? Basically, it was like wait till the sun goes down and grab the torches. Yeah, it's basically, it's like build the gallows. It's basically a rewrite of like the Toby Keith and Willie Nelson song. You know, I'll be the first to tell you I've seen way too many Western movies. That's where that came from. But it's just when there's absolute evidence that somebody killed somebody.

And why are we putting them up for 30 years on our tax? I lost audio from buddy real quick. Let's see if we can get him back. We lost your audio, buddy. Let them see if they can work out the technical difficulties. This song that we're talking about. He talks about a guy that is convicted. I don't even know if he's going to trial yet.

Actually, because Buddy says something about we don't need a jury. So a guy who commits murder, he's tracked down by the police. And what we really should be doing in this country instead of going through the long taxpayer-funded process of a judge. adjudicating somebody's innocence or guilt and the appeals process. I mean, it is, it is no holds bar two of it he's working on. Buddy's audio, which dropped out in the middle there. So we should be able to figure that out.

He probably got a call in the middle of that, in the middle of what he was telling us. But he also has a new book out, by the way. It's called, it's called Ain't No Wi-Fi in the Woods. And he talks in the book about some of the things that we can, learned by getting our kids and ourselves unplugged.

Here, while we're waiting on two days to get buddy back up, let's check in with the Wollisha. Ran Run 528, 5280 says how many people are intimidated to fly the U.S. flag? I don't think many. I don't think many. You think a lot of people think it's like,

oh, I'm going to get pushback if I fly the American flag? I don't think we're at that stage. I do wonder if we were at that stage about Come on, where? I don't know. Maybe five, six years ago, a little bit. Up here in Connecticut, where in New York, people are worried to fly the flag. They think it just means something that it doesn't.

Do you think it's a statement? So I will say, when I walk by a house that has the American flag out, I'm like, all right, I like, all right, I like these people. So I guess up there in Connecticut, if you got an American flag out, your neighbors are probably like, oh, he's one of them. That might be. Instantly. I saw you have Buddy back up. Have we got it sorted out? Yep, one second.

All right. Buddy, we got you back? Yeah, man. NSA strikes again. Well, he'd already talked about the missing scientists. I don't know. They didn't cut us out then. I don't know.

I don't know if they're going to now. The great thing about them is they're the only government agency that actually listens to us. So yeah, we were talking about your music, man. And the thing is about this music that you've made. And you also, by the way, do some comedy routines as well and some other stuff. It's really resonated. You got a huge following on YouTube. Yeah, it's been a journey just completely organic.

I didn't know anything about marketing or putting anything out there. It was just during COVID where I think it just kind of launched. everybody was home and they said hey this guy drops his tailgate and just talks to me like a friend that's been the only goal i've ever had and if that resonates that's awesome i'm surprised anybody watches it at all let alone what they do so it's been a blessing which is a music which is a music career and all this that has been totally bootstrapped right i mean you've done this outside of the circles of of traditional i guess big industry music outside of nashville yeah i'm sure you've had john rich on your show. He'll tell you the same thing. There is a line that you've got to walk,

and if you depart from that, you're done. So you got a choice. You get to either speak your mind and do what is what they call universally appealing, or you can shoot from the hip, and I chose the ladder, and I've never regretted it a day in my life. It's been a fun journey. Did you just come up with that, or is that a music industry term, universally appealing? Is that sort of a dictate when it comes to making content? Yes, 100%. They wanted to be universally appealing. The songs that I grew up with in country music, especially the outlaw movement before that,

that wasn't universally appealing at all. That's why they called it outlaw. But that made some people uncomfortable. When the about 2000, they really started understanding there was a pop market. And to bleed over into the pop market properly with country music, you're going to have to stay away from the country. you know, upbringings that we came from,

the way we talk, the way we see things. And that's definitely something where they keep a very tight leash on a lot of my friends that are still doing it. But, hey. You know that song,

if our country still have balls. You know, you mentioned the Willie Nelson Toby Keith song. Do you know what it reminds me of? Hank Williams, Jr., a country boy can survive. Oh, thank you.

That's a great song reminds you of. It is a big compliment, right? But no, to your point of universally appealing, can you imagine Hank Williams Jr. walking into a Nashville big recording company and going, here's my song, a country boy can't survive,

and they read the lyrics of that. They're like, or by the way, David Allen Co. David Allen Co., or any of those guys, getting that made. What's so cool, though, is I played football in high school, played football at Mississippi State. I punted for them. They would be cranking rap music in the locker room

that I'd never heard in my life, but it would get you fired up. It would make you want to lift harder. or make you want to go harder. I didn't relate to any of the lyrics, but I was able to see where they were coming from, and that was pretty cool. And some of the artists, not all of them, obviously.

Mama doesn't approve. But at the end of the day, I think if you're just genuine, it's really interesting when you can make somebody from a totally different background feel something. So the idea of being universally appealing is just garbage to me. I mean, let people at least feel it and try it out. And not everybody likes sushi. Some people like steak.

I'm a steak guy, you know, but some people like what else, the other things on the menu. So let them eat those things. And if you feel it, you feel it. Let's take a quick break. But continue this conversation with Buddy Brown on Wilcane Country. There's more to life than finding the perfect car. But finding the perfect car can help you get the most out of life. Like the SUV that handles everything from drop off to off road.

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or Buddy Brown. You were the punter at Mississippi State? That, the, I don't know why. It's good fun. I'm guilty all of a sudden. I'm guilty of brand, brand separation, which kind of bothers me because my son, buddy, I've talked about on the show, my son was the kicker and punter on the football team in high school. And he likes to hunt, and he likes country music.

But I didn't think the punter is out there. I don't know. The punters, the punters listening to Blink 182. Oh, we were doing that too now. I have my skateboard. I can show you. See, it's still in the garage. What was it?

Give me the final starting year. Maybe that's your senior year. Yeah, that was starting year. Punning average. What was it? It was, well, that's the thing. With, when I signed up, I went with Jackie Sherrill. He was the last year that I was.

I was at Mississippi State, who I loved. He was a legendary coach at that school. He treated me like family. Another coach came in that won't be mentioned the next year, and we went two in 10. And I was engaged to my wife. Sylvester, what's his name? Yeah.

Nightmare, nightmare. So after that, I got engaged to my wife, had no interest in it anymore. We got married a couple years later, surprised, like picked up a guitar, I said I'm actually going to pursue this. And so I don't know. This is the blessing of ADHD, y'all.

We just bounce all over the place sometimes. Punting. I'm serious. Like, what were you? 42, 43, like net average. That's pretty far on net average, right? Well, give me some stats. Hang time with five seconds.

In high school, yeah. Probably once in my life, I was probably like a 42, guy, but the guy was backing up was, uh, he like won the Ray Guy award. If you know anything about that, like the highest award in college football, you can win, Jared Cook. And I'll never forget the day, um, that I found out I was going to be the backup, my junior year. I was flying him like 70 yards in the air and he hit one standing on the goal line and

landed on the other 20, 80 yards in the air. So I called my dad. I was like, really? I guess he put helium in the football because that thing never stops flying. I can't beat them. I'm sorry. So that was part of the catalyst to say that I'm coming back home, man. This is silly at this point.

One last punting question. Are you super flexible? Could you get down and go negative on the toe touch? You know what I'm talking about going to be on the toes? Just with my, yeah, yeah, just with my kicking leg. The other leg, no way. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

With your kicking leg, I've seen those pictures. And I feel like I talk to somebody, an NFL punter. They can stand on that box. And they can go down and go beyond the toes, down past their feet to whatever they're measuring on the box. I mean, crazy, crazy, flexible. Yeah, you never even trained that kind of thing. But I think with the amount of force that every punt has, you're just becoming flexible without knowing it, at least on the right side. All right, tell us about the new book.

Tell us about there ain't no Wi-Fi in the woods. This is a message. I think a lot about how we're raising our kids, what they're learning, and how they're plugged into a world that really isn't best for them. You go to a restaurant right now, and it drives me absolutely nuts, Will.

You see the parents talking on two sides of the table, and what do you see at the tops of their heads, right? The kids have got the thumbs going, a mile a minute, and they're just not engaged. I've noticed the kids don't have an imagination anymore. The kids don't make eye contact anymore. They give you that Gen Z stare that they call. You ever heard that term?

They just kind of stare at you like a zombie. And I'm thinking, what has changed? Well, the moral, like the absolute fabric of the way you and I grew up was through the movies we watched through the books that we had. This was a time where I said, if we could write a book that will try to instill imagination again and even better get people out in the woods again, that's amazing. Because that's the way I grew up. My grandma, especially when I go see her, she'd kick me out and say,

you got, you know, two hours before you can come back in. I want you to find me a red leaf. I want you to find me a hawk feather. I want you to find me a snake skin. Grandpa would give me a pocket knife. Go whittle something. Go pee on a tree. You know, just go be a boy.

Peeing on a tree is required, by the way, going on you're outside. You know, that's really good because one of the things that you mentioned, and we've talked about too, is the loss. And I do think this is a big deal. The loss of the concept of boredom. Yeah. People, kids are never bored and yet kind of perpetually bored. So that you're never far away from 15 seconds of entertainment. But it's also not true entertainment.

So it's not like you're fully engaged and having a great time, but you're also not allowing yourself to boredom. And what happens in those spaces of boredom? I talk to my kids about this. You know when I talk about it a lot is in the car. I'm like, just look out the window. Look where we are. Like while we're driving, just take it all in. You don't need your phone.

And I get it. Our kids aren't bad. If we're being honest, you do it, buddy. I do it. If I'm in the passenger seat, do I look at my phone? Yes. And for me, sitting there and looking out the window is when my mind, whatever, that's the closest to meditation that I probably get without meditating. And I can go in such interesting places and have new thoughts.

And I think that that concept of boredom that you talk about being lost is actually a huge thing to lose. It really is. And the way I personally, you know, take it a step further, the way I found God is in the woods. That's church for me. You know, I'm kind of like your back road church guy. I'll slip in there and all that. But man, like, you think about a college football game. Everybody watching out here has got a college team they share for.

If I'm thinking about 100,000 people inside of a college football game, I'm not hearing the Lord very clearly. I'm not hearing myself frequently. With ADHD, you got 22 voices up here already. they all need to hush. You know, I'm like, quiet to hell. When I get in the woods, I'm back to me. I mean, the real me. And if we can bring kids back to that

and just having that, the bones of just saying, the woods is good. It's, you know, there's some dangerous stuff out there, yeah, but it's still good. And experiencing it, and my kids walk into a deer stand at 4.45 in the morning. You think, you're just pitch black. Anything could jump out from left or right in your mind,

tricks on you. That's a good feeling. It's a good way to just completely be locked in, as the kids say. I hear that term like 400 times a day, locked in. Like, dad, lock in. Yeah. Yeah. Do we the, you can't lock in if you're on this, this crap all the time. Yeah, but here's something else you talk about, over scheduling. This is where I'm a little torn. Okay, so my kids are into sports and you as a product end up spending a lot of your time scheduling around sports. But one of the things I noticed, buddy, is on the days when they don't have practice, I don't like how they spend that time. Like, if it's not homework, then what so I have never been some of it's like, we're scheduling these kids too much because they haven't

actually inspired me to say, wow, they do something really great with more free time. Free time ain't good. They don't know how. And that's what I'm saying. It seemed like, Like, have you ever seen that meme that says one time we went outside with all of our friends? We said we'd be back tomorrow and that was the last time. Nobody knew it. I mean, that just cut me to my soul because we all did that. We all said, bye, see all tomorrow out there playing kickballers. For me, it was street hockey.

We used to, you know, we had a killer street hockey neighborhood club. And then I guess it just stopped one day. They don't know how. And this book, the idea of it was a factory reset. Let's just push that button on our kids and feeling that. empty time you're talking about. Okay, so they're not playing sports. Do you want to scroll all day? You know, what'd you do? They come downstairs because they're feral when they're looking for food and they hardly talk to you. They just kind of like stare at you like a zombie. When's dinner going to be

ready? And I'm like, really? So I had to talk with my son just the other day. I said, look, when you come in this house for now on, I know you've had a long day at baseball. You had a doubleheader last night. I want you to come in, give her mama a hug. Thank her for making food. She took time to do that. I want you to tell me about your day. I want you to make eye contact. I don't want the phone to be in your hand when you do it. That's the new rules. I've talked to you about it once, and that's what's going to be set.

Is it difficult the first couple days? Absolutely. But that becomes the standard that you set with the whole practicality of this book and everything we're talking about right here, it doesn't work unless you're intentional. And too many parents are like, I've got too much stress on my own. I just went through a big work day myself. being intentional takes effort so I don't want to do that

but we got to be we're going to lose our kids step up right right there ain't no Wi-Fi in the woods what do you guys do by the way

deer hunt you're going to turkey hunt we're turkey hunt we dove hot yeah I mean all of the above if it's brown it's down if it flies it dies that's the mentality down here

okay you know I've never I want to go Turkey hunting. I've never done turkey hunting. I mean, I've killed a turkey, by the way. I have hunted and killed a turkey hunting. That was when I was deer hunting. I fell asleep in the blind. I fell asleep in the blind. I woke up, and there was like a dozen turkeys at my deer feeder. And I was like, why not? So I took a turkey. But I haven't been in the woods, you know, back against a tree, working a wood box or a mouth call, trying to get them close.

That's got, my favorite's duck hunting. I always talk about that. Yeah. I think turkey hunting looks like it could be my second favorite. I dove, I quail.

Those are fun. But I bet you I'd love turkey hunting. I bet you would too. Because it's challenging. I mean, especially the big old Florida turkeys that I used to hunt back when I was living there for a while,

they're dumb as heck. You know, they just fly down from the tree in the morning. They're just, and then boom, it's over. And you're thinking, that was quick. Down here in Mississippi,

I mean, you got a stalker. like you're Jason Bourne to get lucky with these things. So it's a big challenge. All right, folks. There you hear it. Ain't no Wi-Fi in the woods. Also check out his music.

Buddy Brown music at YouTube. He's also on Spotify. And I'm sure he's on Apple and everywhere else as well. Buddy's really good to get to know you. Thanks for spending some time with us here today. You as well, Will. God bless you, man. All right.

Take care. There you goes, Buddy Brown. I'm going to check in really quickly with you folks here. in the Wallitia. Let's see. I was just slow, fellows, on reading this name because it's close to Unabomber. I know. I know.

I just love the super. Uwana bomber. Uwana bomber. Patrick, have you ever done the research that I want you to do and go to AI and have it summarize the Unabomers manifesto? It's like multi-thousands of pages. Yeah. I need it condensed.

I'm really curious what he wrote. I really am. Grock would do that probably, right? Oh, yeah. Would you do that? Yeah, I mean, I think Grock's probably the best one. You'll be on a list for sure by the government, but yeah, go for it. Yeah, and then I'll do mine confidence.

That's fine. Do you think I'm not already on a list? Well, you know the guy that makes the list. Man. Do you think so? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if he's one making the list.

No, Tulsi's the one making the LIS. No, Tulsi is, right? I know all those people. John, I don't think it's Pete. It could be Tulsi, right. Is Tulsi going to get you out? You should check if you're on a list. Just see.

Just some list. There's got to be a list. Just a, what list? I don't know. Uwana Bomber says, you want a bomber. I don't know what it says. I find drug cartels to be more likely than the Chinese simply because New Mexico government is basically completely beholden to them.

Remember that judge who was harboring a TDA member. Okay, so drug cartels. It's possible. taking scientists in New Mexico. Drug cartels. Low on the list. Interested in nuclear secrets? Wow, they're really ramping stuff up down there.

I mean, if they're into chemical engineers, how about that story yesterday, guys? You guys saw that. Two CIA operatives were killed in Chihuahua, Mexico because they were helping coordinate attacks on Mexican drug labs. Not great. I think they were meth labs. and then they supposedly got into a car wreck, four died, two of them were Americans.

Yeah, I'm sure it was a car wreck. I'm sure it was a car wreck. I don't know, look into it. That's the kind of story that everybody denies because... I'm surprised they even admitted they were CIA. Yeah, me too. Me too. Colleen Reed says, I go with witness protection for the missing.

Wasn't it about two years ago? All this stuff hit Congress. That's interesting. Yeah. Witness protection for what, though? They created something that other governments wanted, so they had to hide them so they didn't get kidnapped by other government agencies? I don't know. They're going to have to eat the red sauce out of the bottle.

Joshua. Joshua Ray Good. I love this as says, I was high as hell on LSD in the desert walking around, and I still didn't forget my cigarettes. Damn right. I'm telling you, that dude not taking his cigarettes, I'm not even being that silly about it. I think that is a big eyebrow razor. I really do. Among the things to leave behind, that one, by the way, have you guys seen Bill Maher and Woody Harrelson?

I've texted you guys about this. Have you seen the clips of that podcast they did together on 420? So good. The LSD, high as hell on LSD, maybe think about it. Bill Maher and Woody Harrelson smoking weed on 420. I'm going to tell you guys something. This is my humor. This is my humor.

It is comedy gold to me. I love it. I love it. It's better than Talladega Nights. The way that they're laughing, it's like the, honestly, it reminds me of the humor from the Big Lobowski. They keep noticing, or Bill Maher mostly. But so they just are saying it seems like nonsensical things, but they're not.

They keep it's a slowly weave together conversational story about things. And they're both on different emotional wavelengths at times, even though they're laughing really hard. Like they're getting high in that room. And Bill Maher notices that there's a bunch of like birds and cages around them because they're kind of in this like curated environment. And, and Bill Maher's like, can this be good for them? And Woody's like, it's great for them. They love it. And Bill Maher's like, yeah, but would you want it if you were caged up and you didn't have a choice?

And then Woody gets real serious. No, no, they let them out. I promise. They let them out. They're not always caged. It's like, it's just funny that little observations and conversation they make. It's comedy gold. I haven't sat and watched or listened to the whole podcast.

I'm not sure it plays for like an hour and a half. But in one minute clips, it's genius. Anything Woody I watch. It's genius. It's the funniest thing I've watched. He just has that quick one. Woody is just such a good nature. He's kind of the sidekick in the deal because Bill Maher's like holding court a little more.

He's clearly one of these guys that starts talking more when he smokes, right? And he's like just saying things and it's weaving together. And Woody is perfect in there, like jumping in and laughing. It's great. Eric David says it makes people. Yeah. I don't know. You never know. I mean, how that, how that, how somebody is there. Eric David says it makes people think how advanced is the technology the government has in secret.

And why do us peon still basically have 70s tech just only a little better? It is interesting. We don't realize how good our own tech is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know where I am on some of this stuff. Like the tech in 1969 was apparently amazing. for certain things we wanted to accomplish. Okay, I'm not going to start. Don't even start.

I still cannot believe you as intelligent and rational you are, even give that credence. I just noticed holes in the argument. I'm really good at noticing holes in the argument, I feel like, right? Logical things that don't add up or do add up. So what have you done for me lately, I thought? And that's why I'm a little skeptical on the overarching story of these scientists. but I am also like the cigarettes thing. That actually is an interesting and important detail.

So it's what I do. Logic. And by the way, finally, Bryce Cornwell says, just here for Rachel. Oh, thank you, Bryce. We're glad you're here. Even if it's just for Rachel. J.K. Will, love your show.

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