Will Cain Country - Trump Says the Fear Over AI Is a Hoax. Is He Right? (ft. Wade Stotts & Trace Gallagher)

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Following an AI researcher’s viral departure from Anthropic, more politicians are hopping on the anti-AI bandwagon. Are we living in the biggest psy-op of the past decade? Trace Gallagher—author of ‘Turns Out They Were Right All Along’ and host of FOX News @ Night and Wade Stotts, host of ‘The Wade Show with Wade,’ join Will to break down the coordinated effort to turn America against progress. Plus, they react to an X user’s hilarious failed attempt to troll Will, discuss President Trump’s surprise phone call to Jensen Huang at the All-In Summit, and share a preview of Trace’s new book.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You are right now living through the biggest sci-op in six years. It is Wilcane Country. Country streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, Wilkame Facebook page here at Your Leisure on Your Demand at Spotify or on Apple. Hanging out in the country today, we got the host of the Wade Stott Show with Wade. It is Wade Stott's and the author of a brand new book. It's entitled, Turns Out They Were Right All Along, Life Lessons Learned, and the host of Fox News at night. It is Trace Gallagher, his maiden voyage on Wilcane Country.

What's up, Trace? I will. Thank you for having me on. I don't very much appreciate this. This is a very cool setup, by the way, and I love the music coming in. I mean, come on, that's worth it, right? You can't beat that. Yeah.

Yeah, set the vibe. Hang out. Sit down. Relax. Wade, Helmet guy's back. Football season. You know, tell your kid, Helmut guy is officially back. My kids are going to be thrilled that I got to go on the Helmut Guy show today.

Yes, absolutely. I know. It was like six months I was sitting here with that. I don't see a Notre Dame helmet there. Dan, do you want to know. I knew it was happening. I knew you'd say it right away. I said to Ed right before I got on.

I was like, what should I put besides the Longhorns? And I go, I'll just grab the good teams. And I grabbed Miami and Georgia and Indiana, along with Texas, of course. No Alabama? And there's Notre Dame sitting. Roll Tide. I don't have a Bama helmet. Oh, I got to get you one.

I don't have one. I got two daughters graduated from Alabama. Roll Tide. I can't believe you don't have one. But listen. Listen, I mean, I'm going to get you on. So next time I come on the show, you can put that Alabama one right next to the microphone. That's usually how it works.

I'll say, I have Auburn. Does that count for you? Did you just say, Auburn? Hey, I got to go. But thank you. He was about to say War Eagle. War Eagle. Let me show you how it works, Trace.

This, I believe, this is Senator Jim Banks, said the same thing. You said you don't have an Indiana helmet. I'm going to get you one. This is Michael Quinn Sullivan of the Texas scorecard, said the same thing, A&M. And so people see what I don't have, and they're like, I got to get you that helmet. So no one has walked in yet and said, where's your back? a helmet. So that's what you're going to have to do, Trace. You need to up the quality of the guests that you have on this show, Wilcane.

You're saying. Holy cow. Nobody has walked in and said Roll Tide. I don't know. All right. So, you know, Trace does a very successful show every night on Fox. You know something I said this morning, Trace? Let's just, I said, I'm looking forward to seeing the ratings from yesterday. I'll tell you why I said that. Because our lead story, everyone's lead story, and it's hard to know anymore with social media because you're so algorithmically driven. You don't know if you're actually in the same algorithm as somebody else is dominated by the existential threat of AI. And so I actually am genuinely fascinated by this story. but I'm not convinced that the audience is.

Like, I'm not convinced that everyone watching right now in the chat, jump in. Now, I'm going to tell you something. I think we should be. And we'll get into what I think is a fascinating conversation. But I have a little bit of questions in my head, and it's not just a ratings thing, Trace. It's not just like a television production thing. I just don't know how much the public cares about what everybody is saying right now about artificial intelligence. I think you're probably right. And, you know, we did the same thing last night.

We led with the AI thing just because it's become such a hot talker and because I think people are, it's not that they're really not interested. I think they are interested. I think they don't quite get it. And I don't get it because it hasn't been fully explained to me. I mean, they come out and you say, okay, you have some, you have some former researcher who comes out and says, you know, this could be the death of all of us. Okay, great. Why? How? What's going on here? And what are they going to do? Are they going to push the buttons? The nuclear buttons? Is AI going to take over? I know they're looking for vulnerabilities in the system. I get all that stuff. But how? What are they going to push? Are they going to build and create these robots? They're going to come out as like drones? What is it that they

are going to do that's going to end humankind as we know it? It hasn't been fully explained to I mean, you had Barack Obama coming out and saying, hey, we need to slow this thing down. Why? What do you know that we don't know? You don't know anything about technology. Why are you telling us we need to slow this down? You're just saying slow it down because all the other Democrats, like Bernie Sanders is saying slow it down. Bernie Sanders wants to slow down the banks.

I mean, he wants to slow everything that has anything to do with capitalism, anything to do with making money. He wants to slow it down. That's Bernie Sanders. You can't listen to Bernie Sanders. So I want to know why Barack Obama is coming out saying, slow it down. He doesn't have any expertise. He certainly didn't give us any context. He certainly didn't give us a reason why he wanted to slow this down.

So I think that's where people are a little bit confused because they don't get why. Okay, I know, yeah, end of the world. Sky is falling, right? Chicken Little. Chicken Little all the way up and down the world. Chicken Little. But nobody has said why the sky is falling and when the sky is going to. fall and what signs we can look for that the sky is actually going to fall?

So to the point of Barack Obama, Wade, you have now a huge list of Democrats and some Republicans who have come out calling for a pause, a slowdown, a flattening of the curve when it comes to artificial intelligence. Here's a list of at least 22 who have responded to the Jacob Saxon whistle whistleblower tweet about anthropic, ending humanity within the decade. Governor J.B. Pritzker, Governor Kathy Hochel, Senator Mark Kelly, Lisa Rochester, Chris Murphy, Bernie Sanders, Pat Murray. Ted Cruz is listed here as someone who is called for legislation to regulate AI. Chris Van Hollen, Bill Foster. You go on and on. I would say 80% of whom are

are Democrats. It includes as well, candidates like Abdul El-Sayyad. And then if you didn't already have your antennas up, if you weren't already thinking you might be experiencing in live time, a psychological operation, a sci-op, I give you now Kamala Harris. AI is kind of a fancy thing. It's first of all, it's two letters. It means artificial intelligence. but ultimately what it is is it's about machine learning. And so the machine is taught. Thank you. And part of the issue here is what information is going into the machine

that will then determine, and we can predict then if we think about what information is going in, what then will be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that may be made through that. process. Oh, I'm going to go back to my square on the rug now. Is it time for blocks? Is it nap time yet? It's two letters. It stands for artificial intelligence. You see what I'm saying? Nobody knows what they're talking about. She doesn't know what she's talking about ever, but nobody knows what they're talking about. Two letters. It stands for artificial intelligence. It's what we put into the machine and the machine learns that. Yes. I mean, and Gavin Newsom just said, runs for president. I'm not going to run for president because that how can you beat that? I mean,

how does anybody beat that? Holy cow. And I'll appeal to the audio engineer experts here, but I do believe that her video against AI was used AI voice enhancement from Adobe. I can spot that from a mile away. So yeah, I don't think that her team is necessarily living consistent with that warning. Yeah, exactly. It's exactly right. But wait, do you feel like this is a sci-off or are you concerned about AI being an existential threat to humanity? Well, I think that I would, I tend to not believe the people that you've listed. I also, it's interesting, the more interesting shift to me has been the leaders of these companies coming out. And the same people who were saying, I think, months ago that they're going to build God and that no one's ever going to work again.

And that it's going to create utopia are now saying that it's going to be a hellscape. and somebody come please save us from the thing that we're building. I think that if these companies are coming out saying this and the leaders of these people who are developing it, then they can slow it down themselves. If surely they can do this without some kind of legislative thing. Yeah, I tend to not want to decide with Kamala Harris and Abdul al-Said in any kind of issue.

If there's anything that looks like a commonality, then I assume that I'm wrong. wrong in my perception. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with Trace Gallagher and Wade Stott's here on Will King Country. Welcome back to Will King Country. We're hanging out with the host of Fox News at night and the author of a brand new book. Turns out they were right all along.

Life lessons learned eventually. It's Trace Gallagher and the host of the Wade show with Wade, Wade, Wade Stott's. Jesse Waters said it's so good yesterday. He goes, let me get this straight. The smartest people in the country are begging to be regulated by the dumbest people in the country. Like, you know, this is an existential threat to humanity. Oh, shit, we better get Chuck Schumer. No one has ever said that. Like, you know, we got a big problem. It could kill us all. Where's Chuck? You know, like, there's never, never has that. I said this yesterday, at least on the

TV show, that I thought, that was really interesting. Michael Burry, played by Christian Bale in the movie Big Short, about the 2009 financial crisis. He came out. yesterday. Michael Berry's like, here's the deal. These things are bleeding money, anthropic, open AI. They're bleeding money. They are burning cash, you know, like a garbage heap. And they want to go public. They want to have an IPO, in which case everybody's going to see their numbers. They're going to see it. And so what are they doing? They're building up hype because there's nothing that's a bigger hype than what we're doing is so innovative that it might actually kill us all. And so they're building their momentum for their own IPO. They don't actually want to the extent

that they want regulation, it's only to box out competition, you know, is to ensure that there's no Facebook in the garage to their MySpace. You see what I'm saying? Like, here it is. We're the three. We're the three or four. We're going to dominate with the help of regulatory capture from the government. Let's ensure that there's no Facebook to this MySpace deal. And that's what it feels like. It feels like we are all getting played. And my biggest lesson, trace, my biggest lesson weighed from COVID. I've said this on several occasions, but it was an eye-opening moment in my life. I think I went through the world thinking that, you know, Michael Douglas's character in Wall Street nailed the core essence of humanity, that at the base of all of us is greed. And it's not.

I do not believe that human beings at their base level are greedy. I believe that human beings at their base level are fearful. And that's all, in the end, if press, rest, all they really want is, you know, to be absolved of their fear. If you can play to their fear, you can get them to wear a mask. You can get them to turn on their neighbor. You can get them to take any kind of medicine that you want. Escape from fear is the base of the humanity. And here we are, man. This is right down the fairway of Be Afraid. I would argue the actual kind of opposite on that. I think that one of the bases of human instinct and human beings, is this necessity for power, this necessity for being able to tell people what to do, being able to kind of set the rules.

I mean, you go through and you look at anything, right? You go through airports. You talk about any subject on the planet. When is the last time that you saw something where they were actually taking rules off the board, that you don't have to do this? Well, just take stuff off the board, and now you don't. Adam Carolla was on a podcast the other day, and he was saying something that I have said for years, is that every time I go to the beach, there's a new rule on the sign.

There's a list, and there's a new rule on the sign. And when's the last time they took a rule off of the sign to go to the beach? I mean, for 30 years ago, you go to the beach, and it was like, okay, no bottles, no pets. And now it's no bottles, no cans, no pet. No, no food. The list goes all the way down, and you've got to sit there for 15 minutes and figure out what it is you can actually do. there's a beach in southern california now you are no longer allowed to sit on the wall of the boardwalk because that's on the rule board you can't do it anymore and they come and say uh by the way

you can't sit on the wall we've been sitting on the wall for a hundred years and now you can't sit on the wall so my thing is people love power covid was power i mean you tell people put masks you tell people you got to go inside when you should have said go outside you made every mistake you could possibly make and you told people what to do because you love to tell people what to do. You got to take the shot because the shot is going to stop this thing, right? No, it's not going to stop the spread. It's not going to stop you from getting it, but you still got to do it or you could lose your job. It's all about we have got to tell people what to do at all times or we're not happy. And that's what Trump feels like is happening right now. You know,

if you're running a hospital bed down the aisle way, you've got to get that person from point A to point B. It might cost them their life. And what do you do on the way? Well, you flip up those guardrails. You don't slow down the bed because the bed needs to get there. AI needs to get there. You just put the things up on the side and make it work on the way down the hallway. And that's kind of what we're losing sight of here. If you are fearful of AI, then figure out along the journey, get up on the bed, and figure out how to put those rails up to make everything safe along the way. But don't stop. Just stop. Stopping is harmful.

Stopping could kill the patient. And that's the big problem right now is that Trump's right. You can't stop this thing. You've got to keep it going and try to make it safer as you keep it going. I had this conversation, Wade. I think I can share this conversation. I'm debating if I need to withhold certain details. change the name

a high level government official and we were talking about rules and safety and these kinds of things damn it how can I just say this Elon doesn't give a shit this is what I learned okay Elon doesn't give a shit all right

Elon will not wait for permission from the government Okay. There's robotaxies everywhere and they probably violate every conceivable regulation and rule. Okay. That's the same thing I know. All right. And in the end, it may make him vulnerable to lawsuits, right? Okay. Whatever it may be. He doesn't give a shit. He's going to innovate, put it on the road. It's going to keep going. Right. There was a time basically when that is the way everything worked in America. And it was a pretty unsafe place, right? Like the Industrial Revolution. the pre-industrial revolution. It's like, I've got an idea, do it. And there was nobody there to stop you. And it may be that your product hurt people or killed people. But along the way, we continue to be this dynamic, innovative country that was constantly moving forward. And I don't think we still have that in our essence, in our character, but we've put up so many guard reels and safety that it makes Elon the outlier. And Elon didn't used to be the outlier. Do you see what I'm saying? Everybody operated that.

way. Let's drill for oil. How? I don't know. Just drill. Okay. Well, shit, that blew up 12 guys. Well, let's try not to make it happen that way next time. Right? I just wonder, I mean, this AI thing, it's all theoretical to Traceus Palmer. I have no idea. I have no idea what kind of threat it means to my life. But it's counterintuitive to my American spirit to say, well, then we should stop because we don't know. Like, this is not what we do. We don't stop. We innovate. We go, go, go, go, go. And then we adjust. Break a few eggs. Right. Yeah. The great playwright David Mamet said that people don't always say what they mean, but they always say something designed to get what they want. And so anytime somebody makes a huge shift in rhetoric, like these leaders of these AI companies,

you should start to wonder, again, when they were saying that they were building God and that this was going to build utopia, they were doing that during the fundraising portion of their existence. And then now that they are trying to go public, changing the rhetoric to now it is extremely, We want to be regulated. We want to, and it also is happening, it just so happens that this is happening as these

models are sort of stalling out. They're impressive. Every one of these models, but now it's just sort of tweaking at the edges of the quality of a lot of these, especially the large language models and things like that. So open source models, these ones that are not based in these companies, open source models are competitive with these huge companies. And so, yeah, what do you want to do? You want to make sure that your industry.

suddenly starts to get regulated so that you can start to be the winners and other people can be the losers and that the quality difference between yours and the free version the open source version is a little bit less apparent and so this this advantage that they already have this slimming as it goes they want to hold on to that as long as possible the way to do that is to bring the regulators in and to ensure their sort of section of the market I think that is so as you're as you're seeing shifts and as you're seeing even these politicians political guys coming in, commenting on something that, as Kamala Harris plainly showed, they know very little about. Why do they want this? Why would people who are, why would the Democrats want this? And yeah, I would ask the question of Ted Cruz's team, of Ted Cruz himself, why do you think that you are agreeing with the people who disagree with you about every single other thing? And just saying that, well, this happens to be a thing that we agree on, it doesn't answer the question of why they want it and why you want it and why they want it can be very different things

and it's worth asking. So you make an interesting point. So Trace said earlier, I don't think a lot of people understand the AI thing and I'm not trying to say, oh, the public is so dumb. I mean, I barely understand this AI stuff. But you used a phrase that I think everybody needs to get familiar with. They probably already are to some extent. Large language models.

Okay, that's what AI is built upon, right? now, large language models. So they're basically Hoover vacuum machines for every piece of information on the internet. That's what AI is. And in the aggregate, as it sucks up all this information and then can process it really quickly, that is what we are calling artificial intelligence. And it is, in the aggregate, smarter most likely than any one individual. Actually, that's not fair. Because it doesn't have the spark of creativity. Yeah, it has more information than any one individual. But it doesn't have the spark of creativity. It doesn't have the thing that human beings still have of being able to see into the future with unique perspective. And so I like

contrarians in general. I think contrarians are somebody you should always listen to. There are contrarians on this. Michael Burry is one of them who's like, hey, this isn't super intelligence. And it's not going to achieve. What are the thing they all talk about it achieving? of self-awareness or self-realization or where it kind of becomes its own thing and compounds upon itself, it can't, because by its very nature, an LLM is limited by the aggregate of human information. It doesn't produce any on its own. It only can use and analyze and process and coalesce the existing amount, but it doesn't create new. So it's never going to get to this apocalyptic place that everybody's talking about. And I find that pretty compelling.

Like, we may have AI one day, but it's not going to be like this. It's not going to be a large language model. It's science fiction still. And they pretend that what we have now is that already, and it will progress. But it won't. You're right. But again, the other side of the argument is this, is that, you know, what happens with AI is that you know that it's got all the information. It knows what the human goals are, but it can achieve those goals at breakneck speed.

So the fear is not that suddenly these machines, these supercomputers, are going to turn evil. I mean, it's not like they are just going to turn Arnold Schwarzenegger evil, and that's the end of everybody. The fear is that they have the information. They know how to destroy the world, in theory, and they can do it at break-neck speed. do what it might take human beings another couple of centuries to do, they can do it in 25 minutes because they can get to that point, because they have all the information. The information is already stored in these computers, in these servers, in these data centers, and now all they have to do is retrieve it and then put it to work in some nefarious way. So the machines

don't become evil. They take all the human information and they use it to detrimental ends. So do you point, wait about, hold on real quick about how the flip the script, the script has flipped really quickly. This is yesterday. So I asked the question that Trace just asked on my show yesterday. I was like, what's so scary? Like, I need you to articulate it. I need you to explain it to me. So you guys know the Krasenstein's.

They're big, what, figures on X, lefty figures on X. So here's what Ed Krasnstein tweeted yesterday. Fox News's Wilcane play stupid and acts like AI has little potential to be scary. Right screenshot. And then he quotes me. So now what is so scary about AI? We need to know. If we're going to stop AI, seriously, we need to know what is scary.

And then Krasenstein says, I'm sure there are plenty of AI experts who can tell him. But you can't, Krasenstein. But you can't tell me what's so scary. Or Barack Obama. You and Barack Obama can't tell me. But interestingly, I saw this in the comments to Krasenstein. This is a post from January where he tweeted out, The Future of AI and Robotics will definitely make our lives better as we age.

Oh, boy. So what memo went out in the last six months, right? This is you six months ago, Wade. Oh, how the turntables? Yeah, right. There is obviously plenty of promise for AI. Lots of technical achievements can be made. It is important, as we're talking about this, to recognize what it is.

And what it is, as you said, is something that cannot be creative. What it can do is process information really quickly. And if we start to think that the problem becomes, if we start to think that that's what our brain is or that's what our self is, that we are just things that take in information and process it really quickly. The issue is that all of the information that is around is things that were created by people and that it cannot, as it cannot create anything new. It's kind of the George Gilder in his great book, Life After Google, talks about the sort of Google mindset is that we have all the information that we will. ever exist. And so our job now is just to sort through it and categorize it. And he correlates this to the sort of Marxian notion that at the Industrial Revolution, this is, he thought that this was all the tech that would ever exist. And so now what needs to happen is we need to just take it

over and we need to regulate it and make sure that everybody gets a piece of it. And what we have learned since Marx is that technology continued to advance, information continued to happen, surprises in innovation continued to happen. And so if, but if Marx would have had his way, then yes, it would have just been, okay, now we're just categorizing sort of 1800s technology and making sure everybody has 1800s technology. Because Mark's lost and because that happened, then we do have more. If Google and if these AI companies tend to, you know, think in terms of all the information that will ever exist already exists and now it's just a time to sort it, then it will start to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Innovation.

will stop because we just think that what we're doing is, again, categorizing information. We've learned everything we need to learn, and now we just need to spread that information around as quickly and as efficiently as possible. I think that is a mistake and a mistake of most of the AI worldview. But again, I also agree that this shift that you're seeing in terms of people who love AI and then hate AI, you should start to wonder, is there a financial motivation or is there, as Trace was pointing out, a power motivation? As soon as Donald Trump, as making friends with all these big tech guys and telling them what to do, suddenly Democrats aren't as excited about it. And I think that that's, and all of a sudden also the big tech guys themselves

are not as excited about their own products. It's a really, really strange thing to see. And we should recognize that, yes, there are political motivations and that people didn't just have a sudden awakening of morality. This is not our greatest moral exemplars coming forward and saying, I'm concerned about the moral direction of our country, and that's why we should stop AI. This is Kamala Harris. This is Abdul Saeed, who are letting us know that we need to stop this thing. I think we should be trepidious. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with Trace Gallagher and Wade Stott's here on Will King Country.

Welcome back to Will King Country. We're hanging out with the host of Fox News at night and the author of a brand new book. Turns out they were right all along. Life Lessons Learned Eventually. It's Trace Gallagher and the host of the Wade Show with Wade, Wade Stott's. Let's talk about Trump for a second. So Trump, so the All In conference was yesterday and on the state all ins the podcast. It's a good podcast.

David Sacks, Jason Calcanis, Chimoth, Palopatia. What's his first name? David Freeberg, maybe. And they're all on stage doing their podcast and talking. And Jensen Huang is the guest, CEO of NVIDIA. And then President Trump calls Jensen Huang. His assistant rushes the phone out. It's like, you know, take this.

one. They put him on speaker. Here's President Trump calling Jensen Wong. The robots will not be taken over. The AI will not be taken over the rest of the world. The whole thing is a hoax. Now, with that, we have to be a little bit careful. We have to very be, you know, we have to do things and we have to do them prudently. But that doesn't mean we're going to stop in industry because, you know, as we work on the next 10 years about how to destroy it. So interesting. Let's talk about Trump for a minute. Have you guys seen, so Trump actually came out in support of flock cameras too, didn't he?

Recent, like in the last week. I think he did. Yeah. And he's been in, obviously he's supportive of data centers. I like them, he says. You know, Trump is often accused of being a populist and he certainly has populist in some ways. That's not how I think you should describe Trump.

You know, and I don't know, Trump probably defies all ideological definitions. But thank God he's the president, not Kamala Harris. And I think he's just, man, if there's a way to describe President Trump, I think it's common sense and America first. Like, it's okay, common sense is it a win for America? That's pretty, somebody said, well, he's actually an imperialist, not a populist. I don't think he's an imperialist, only to the extent that it serves America. It's pretty simple. common sense in service of America.

Yeah. I mean, that's exactly right. Listen, I think that Trump is in favor of flock cameras because he thinks he thinks it's cool. He thinks there's a market for flock cameras. I mean, that's really where it comes to. And everything you see when he's kind of, he's doing the math, that he's thinking there's a market for this. This could be huge. And he thinks along those lines on everything.

And I think for the AI thing, he's the same. He's on the same wavelength, which is this is big. This is a big market. You cannot slow this thing down because we are going to make the right decisions along the way. We're not going to go out and just destroy the earth. We're going to make the right decisions along the way. This is going to help people. It's going to be beneficial to people.

And I would say the same thing. On the flock cameras, I would differ because I think the flock cameras can be used for nefarer. We've already seen it. the flock cameras, they're so good and they're so clever at grabbing these license plates and giving information and so on and so forth that you've got some people who are, have access to these flock cameras who are using them for nefarious deeds. They're using them for the wrong things. And that is the big threat here, is that it's a privacy concern. That's the overall threat with flock cameras is you've got this privacy concern and it bugs me to no end because

Because just like COVID, the last thing you want is to give the government and give people more information about you that they can use against you. And that's what I think this flock camera stuff is eventually going to morph into, which is they can tell you where you were driving. Will King was driving down. You know, he was in L.A. last week, driving down the 405. He went up to 5'1 here, went here and here. And he was going, why was he doing that? And then you got AI takes all that information. They could say, oh, two weeks ago, he went.

down here, he took Pacific Coast Highway, and he was in Dallas. He was doing, so it's one of those things where they've got all this information and all they have to do in 10 years is push a button and they can tell you everywhere you were every second of the day. And law enforcement would say, oh, that's a good thing because we can catch all the criminals. Yeah, it's a good thing if you're going to just catch all the criminals, but you're not. You're going to be following Will Kane because you've got something on him. You got something you need from him.

And you have the information to retrieve that, those goods that you have on anybody you want. I just, the common sense, the common sense side of me, though, is like, they've already got it. I carried around all day. Yeah, but it's, wait. Do we need more then? It's right here. Do we need to add onto it?

But they can't get that. And they've got the information. Well, you've got that in your phone. I mean, there's maybe some data centers. They can say, oh, he was listening to this, or he was talking about this, or he was doing this. But when they've got you on camera, they've got flock cameras, and they've got this thing all kind of work together, they can detail second by second where you were out on the roads and when you were there. And you've got no.

I mean, it's like you just took away every alibi, everything you ever knew because somebody can go in and put that little pin on the computer and say, nope, he was right here. I think the more information that they gather on people, the worse it is for us. This is something that we freely choose. Your phone, you freely choose to carry it around, to use it, to listen to music, to tech, to do whatever you want. You are freely choosing this, and if they someday get back and use it against you, well, that was your choice. You're not choosing these flock cameras. These are just picking information from you and putting it into a big server and eventually at some point we'll use it against you. My thoughts on this, I think it's important to remember that the flock cameras themselves

have been around since the early Biden era. And these are things that were adopted at the municipal level. So Trump is sort of commenting on it from afar in one sense. But in another sense, the flock cameras became an issue when Trump and when I started using them to round up illegals. This was something that they, and so the left has, we should again wonder why is the left suddenly upset about the same thing that we're upset about? And it's not that the left really values privacy. And we value privacy, but the left doesn't. And so they're being upset about this should become something that's at least noticed by us and recognize, okay, maybe there is an anti, you know, and oddly enough, both of these issues, same with the AI thing, become a problem, become an issue

as soon as Trump starts using them, in the instance of flot cameras for, for immigration enforcement, and in the case of AI for, yes, immigration enforcement, but also for defense purposes. And so as these two things are being used by Trump, they become sort of, that's why the Democrats are upset about it. We can have our reasons, but we also have to recognize that this issue has become an issue, not because it is a new issue, but because Trump has some ability to use these things himself. All right, Trace mentioned it a little bit earlier. Gavin Newsom says he's not going to run against Kamala Harris. He said that while purportedly fly fishing. Wade, do you fly fish up there in Idaho? I don't, but I do have friends who do. I did some fly fishing when I was down south.

but I haven't done it since I've been up here. Wait, are you in Idaho? Wait, what's going on? I am. Where in Idaho? Northern Idaho. I'm in Moscow. Ah, Moscow, Idaho.

Yeah, I was in Boise. It was my second television market was Boise. And then, you know, I'm saying it properly so you know I was there. Absolutely. Can you pronounce it? Yeah, it's Boise, Idaho. Wait, what are you saying? Boise.

Boise. It's Boise. Boise. Yeah, Boisee. That's what the locals call it. But, yeah, I was in Boisee. I love Idaho. Absolutely love it.

We're up in McCall. Wade's up in those white supremacist compounds. He's way up there, yeah. He's in the Cornelaine country. I see that bunker. He's up way up. Yeah. He's in Randy Weaver country up there.

It's a beautiful place. So when I grew up in Arkansas, so the first time I heard the capital of Idaho was in a Leonard Skinner's song. And so I have been pronouncing it wrong. I've been pronouncing it for a long time. And then once I got up here, I've been trying to learn how to pronounce it. What time was it in? Idaho in Boise, Idaho. Wait.

What time is it in Idaho right now? No, no, no. What time was it in the Leonard Skinner's song? Oh, it was 8 o'clock? Eight o'clock in Boise, Idaho. Pass the test. Yeah. Okay, good. Good, good, good, good. My dad bought that CD for me when I was, I think, in third grade, and I listened to it over and over. Sorry, I'm telling on my dad here. I've done a little fly fishing. I would never say I'm good at it. It's like golfing. It's not easy, actually. And there's a whole, like, do you have the right stroke?

Do you have the right cast, you know, and so forth? I don't think that this was a lesson in fly fishing with Jake Tapper and Gavin Newsom. This is where this interview took place. I wonder where it was, what river it was on. Do you know, Trace? Where were they doing this? I don't know. I saw the video yesterday for the first time, but I have no idea where it was.

But he's been in the South. I can tell you that. Newsom has been in Montgomery, Alabama. He's been in South Carolina. You know, he's kind of doing the southern thing. he's kind of doing the first primary states, and then he's going to, you know, lay the big bombshell. Oh, if Kamala decides to go, I would never. I would respect her until, yeah, same guy who, you know, less than a year ago said, oh, but I would,

or more than a year, a little over a year ago said, yeah, it's unfair for biological males to be involved in female sports. And the same guy who said about COVID, oh, yeah, and the same guy who said, I mean, you go all the way back. Do not believe a single word Gavin Newsom says because he does not have any credibility. It's really interesting, though, why he said he won't run against Kamala Harris. He said because they have basically the same friends and the same voting base. And he said if you, I can't believe he said this.

He said if you look at a, I'm quoting him, excuse me directly, a Zen diagram. He said a Zen diagram. I'm almost positive. You have it? Yeah. Dan, he didn't say a Venn diagram. He said if you look at a Zen diagram, there's complete overlap. Watch this.

Three or six milligram. I remember people thinking, oh, he should have run in 2024. I wasn't ready. You weren't ready? No. God, no. Do you think if you'd take it on Biden? I would never, first of all, I wouldn't do that.

And second, if I did, I would have gotten crushed because I didn't have a why. you don't have a big enough why then you don't belong there. I'm not screwing anything up anymore, man. I mean, I know what matters in life. You know, I got four kids. It's the only thing that matters to me. They got to be on board.

And if that's, forget it. If they're not on board, that's non-stime. That's him talking about running in 2020. I try to find that, sir. Trace, you've done a lot of TV. I mean, I mean, this, I, I, I, as a, a guy who worked for Fox and Friends as well.

Like, I have to be a little careful here. Do I live in a glass house? You do a field shoot, right? And, and, yeah, there's cameramen around, and there's, it's not actually that natural. It can be, if you can put it all out of your head and do your best, but there's something about this that is so performative. On, on Tapper's part, on Newsom's part, like, the whole thing is supposed to be. supposed to look authentic, and it comes off the complete opposite to me. It just looks so

performing. The McConnell Hay accent. Yeah. It's funny. It's funny because Gavin Newsom is phony. I mean, we've learned over the years that Gavin Newsom is just a big phony. That's it. In a nutshell, Gavin Newsom is a phony guy. And I don't care where, how far back you go, the mayor of San Francisco, the governor of California, the lieutenant governor of California, Gavin Newsom has always been the same phony kind of guy. And so this scene is a perfect fit for Gavin Newsom. It's just like, you know, it's like me grabbing a football and tossing with Tom Brady while I'm doing an interview. We're just tossing it back and forth.

Hey, we're just tossing the football, right? A couple of old quarterbacks. Just want to throw and throw the rock with Tom Brady and get some of his wisdom and stuff. And that's what we're going to do. And people look at that like, have you lost your mind? What are you doing with the whole thing? And that's exactly it is. It's just this whole phony scene.

And I would love to see the context, the wide shot of Tapper and Newsom sitting there. And, you know, they're in two feet of water and did they catch anything? Were they really, were they really fly fishing or was it just part of the drama, right? Was it all just part of the-ifed? If they caught something, it's in the piece. Was it in the piece? Either for sure, well, you don't put, quote-unquote, bait on a fly. Oh, see, that's how much on now.

It's fly fishing. Just the fly. It's shining. A lot of glitters. Not a real fly. Pony fly. Yeah. I mean, they're obviously just sort of slap in the water, but I assume that most of the CNN audience probably couldn't tell the difference.

I mean, for most CNN audience, probably, I mean, they might as well be sort of like wrestling a bear while they're doing and like slitting its throat and just carrying out a conversation. This is the most manly thing that you're going to see on CNN. I'm going to take news some out next week and do, we'll go surf it and. Manhattan Beach. We'll take him out, we'll go out surfing in Manhattan Beach, and we'll just kind of, we'll paddle in, we'll catch waves, and we'll just, it'll be so cool. And then I'll ask him the same question, see if he, you know, see if he's as open with me as he was with Jake Taplin. He's struggling here. He's trying to put something on there. Let's take a quick break, but continue this with Trace Gallagher and Wade Stott's here on Will King Country. Welcome back to Will King Country.

We're hanging out with the host of Fox News at night and the author of a brand new book. Turns out they were right all along life lessons learned eventually it's trace gallager and host of the wade show with wade wade wade wade stauss wonder how this happened do you think tappers said hey newsom do you flyfish oh then let's do that together or tapper's like i love fly fishing once you come with me let's do it like what is the thing if you were trying to lean into getting the avenue some into a natural environment you'd say let's go do this it's not basketball with little chinese kids remember when he trucked that little chinese kid in his dress shoes and slipped and fell on him yeah Yeah. Maybe we could take them through the tent areas of Los Angeles downtown.

Yeah. If you're going to play basketball against third graders, don't post up a two and a half foot tall Chinese kid and then trip all over him. Is that one of the life lessons in turns out they were right, your new book, Trace? Yeah, it's in there. It's all in there. Gavin Newsom is in every chat. No, Gavin Newsom didn't make the book. Gavin Newsom, these are true life lessons, Will, that you need to, that you need, and they're unexpected, right?

It's wisdom you get. I talk about John Wooden, you know, the great story of John Wooden, I signed up to go to this camp. I paid the 500 bucks. I was terrible in basketball in high school. And so I went to the wooden camp, and he came in. Man, we were there for 30 seconds. John Wooden walks out. He just came off winning 10 NCAA championships in 12 years.

And I'm thinking, oh, man, are we? every kid in the place their jaw dropped. And John Wooden walks up, and he taps the microphone three times. He says, boys, I want you to sit down. Take your shoes and socks off. He says, you should have two pairs of socks. I want you to take the first pair and put them on inside out. And then you take that second pair and you put them on the right way.

And then you tie your shoes up nice and tight. And if you do that, you will not get blisters. You cannot play good basketball with blisters. And then John Wooden turned. He walked off stage. We never saw him again. 500 bucks. That was it. That was it. I'm thinking, is that, is that, did I just pay 500 bucks to have the, to have the Wizard of Westwood tell me how to tie my shoes? And I think I did. I mean, the camp turned out to be okay. And the truth is, it wasn't, I, not, I, I, not, I still wear two pairs of socks. Will King when I play racquetball. Worth the 500 bucks. I still, it was worth it. And that's the whole thing is you, you, you know, you realize John Wooden's a fundamentals guy, you know, and he won so much because he's a fundamentals guy. And, and in life, you need. You need.

fundamental guys, guys that can give you the basics, guys that can give you good advice, women that can give you good advice. And that's what the whole book is about. It's about people who came into my life, passed on some wisdom. Sometimes I took it. Sometimes I didn't. But eventually you start adopting this. And it's amazing how much good guidance can change somebody's life, change their mind, change their body, the whole nine yards. And this book is just filled with stories about how you can absolutely change what you're doing and how you get there because it's all about Bill Bennett, man, Bill Bennett, the great Secretary of Education first drugs are in the country who said, it's great to win the fight, but it's more important to show

up for the fight because it shows your opponent that you are willing to go toe to toe and face to face and endure some very uncomfortable consequences even if you win, even if you win, even if you win, you're going to get your butt kicked a little bit. That's just kind of the way it works, but at least you are willing to be there, and sometimes you've got to fight for yourself, and that's just the way it is, and so lessons like that are great. So what's interesting about, I totally agree with you that the right piece of wisdom can actually change your life. But the predictability on where that wisdom comes from is not navigable. And So, look, I speak for a living.

I read, I speak, it's what I do. And so my style of fatherhood is often that. I'm trying to pass on wisdom by telling my kids. And honestly, I don't know if I'm batting 10%. Like, is 10% of the things I'm saying getting through? I don't know. But so I don't know how you know when it's going to come and when it's going to take. So I lost my dad when I was pretty young.

I was 25 years old. And so one of the things when you lose your dad that you lose is most obvious, and it's most obvious almost immediately is the source of advice that you had is gone, right? That's for a lot of us. That was the first phone call you made. I'm in a pickle or I'm in a conundrum. I don't know what to do. What do you think?

And that's gone. So my source of wisdom started coming from a lot of different places. And friends played a big role. And for example, I know this line to this day that one of my friends said when it comes to your career, he's like, hang around the hoop. That's what he told me. Hang around the hoop. What he meant by that is see what rebound comes your way. You know, not necessarily in this case the resilience, but the willingness to grind and stay.

And as you said, stay in the game. Hang around the hoop. There will be a ball that bounces your way because what happens in life is most people take themselves out of the game. they blow themselves up in some way. Yeah. With their own personal flaws, their own inability to get along with other people, their own ambitions. That ambitions are great thing, but it can also blow you up. And that idea of hang around the hoop has played a big role in my life, and I don't think I ever would have been able to predict.

It was going to come from one of my friends, you know? And so I'm curious as you went through these lessons that turned out to be true, like where were you pulling them all from, Trace? Well, you know, like I said, these are unexpected pieces of wisdom that came from unexpected people. And you sometimes use them and sometimes you don't. I mean, a lot of the people in this book that people will, John Wooden, you know John Wooden. There are Jimmy Buffett is in the book. You know Jimmy. Everybody knows these people, right?

And so there's a lot of people that you don't. I mean, I have a high school baseball coach who went to this. I went to high school in Mammoth Lakes, California, which is one of the biggest ski areas in the country. and it gets 500 inches of snow a year. And this guy went up to Mammoth High School to coach baseball. And they have a baseball field behind the gym, but you can't use it because it's filled with snow until late May. So he has, he's a baseball coach without a baseball field. And he took his teams in 25 years to the playoffs 22 times.

Without a baseball field, we would practice in the gym. Great for batting practice, not so much for grounders and fly balls. We'd go out in the snow, in 10 feet of snow with your Sorrel boots on. He'd hit pop flies with these plastic balls. And if you missed one, you didn't see the ball again until June. That's just the way life was there. But I'll tell you what, it was one of those building blocks. You're like, this is a crazy story where he fought and fought and fought and fought to get himself a field 20 miles below the town so that he'd have a place to practice.

And he finally got it. But it took winning, it took almost winning the state championship for him to get a field. And yet he fielded these exceptional baseball teams and you wonder, that's a guy who's got tenacity. That's a guy who has got fortitude and goes out every day and even without a field, he's hitting your grounders. You got bad habits. You're picking up bad habits because you're on a wood floor trying to collect ground balls. And this guy was like, you know what? It's just the, it's the rhythm, it's the motion.

That's what we got to do. And turns out he was right all along because that was a great lesson for me, which is that even in the worst of circumstances, man, you got to make, you make do. You make do and you go forward and you teach young people to do the same thing. You know, and the funny thing is that word, wisdom. And wait, I'll bring you in on this. like, you know, that is a word that in the last, I'm going to say five years for me has really gained a lot of credibility. And you're like, well, of course. No, but what I mean is I started

to understand the difference between wisdom and intellect, right? Like, there's a huge difference between those things. And in some ways, wisdom is the combination of intellect and judgment. Can you apply judgment to intellect? But also wisdom is like traditional wisdom. Traditional knowledge. It's it's it's knowledge that has stood the test of time. It's knowledge that is passed down. And I think that's what we lost touch with a lot. Like we all as a society got smarter than the people before us, right? We're always smarter than the previous generation. We're smarter than a hundred years ago. And lately it's like, no, they were right. They were right about a lot of things. They were right about how they organized their societies. They were right about what they were saying.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, intellect can be prideful, but wisdom never is. And so I think that the issue, when wisdom comes around, it's when you see wisdom, you see it personified in the people who are older than you, who have more experience than you. And they may not be able to even articulate the wisdom that they have, but you can see it embodied in them. And that's much more helpful sometimes than even particular things. So seeing these models and having direct experience with people, who are older than you and have gone through things is as important as these particular nuggets. And yes, we do lose that if we are prideful, if our intellect has made us prideful so that we push people

who are wiser than us, even if we are more intellectual and more smart and can brag about those things, if that causes us to push away the wise people, then we've created a big problem for ourselves. I think- And I feel like that's what progressive- Progressivism is unmoored from wisdom. That's the hubris of progressivism. can always do it better than they did before. And some of that is necessary. You want improvement. But to always look backwards with disdain and condescension totally disforces you from wisdom. I'll tell you one quick story. And it's, it's you talk about your dad, well, and I, you know, I lost my dad about 25 years ago. And I was very close to my parents. But, you know, I had this very influential mom. And I had this great dad who would go to all my football practices and baseball, not games, the practices. He would go to all the games in all.

the practices and just sit there on the sideline, just smoke a cigarette walking up and down the field. But my mom, when I was eight years old, I was one of two eight-year-olds to make this Pop Warner football team, eight-nine and ten-year-olds. The other eight-year-old is still one of my best buddies to this day. And it was nothing but calisthenics. It was nothing but, you know, for the first two weeks, all we did was hit and learning how to tackle and block, and it was just terrible. I was eight, like, where's the football? Who's got a football around here? And yet you do that, And so I'm sitting there on my mom's green avocado recliner, because it was the 1970s and everybody had a green avocado green recliner. And I said, listen, I don't, she said, you're going to be late for practice.

I don't want to go to practice. I want to quit. And she said, great, go quit. And I said, no, I want you to call the coach and tell him I quit. She said, she didn't say, she told my sister, take your brother to practice, he's going to quit. And I'm, you know, getting up the nerve and all the way to practice. I'm going to go, I'm going to just quit. And that's doing it.

And I get to football practice, and the coach looks at me, he's 55 yards away from me, and he blows his whistle three times and screams, Gallagher, you're late. Give me five laps. You know, me, I'm crying, giving him five less, and I'm all. But as soon as I get back from these laps, I'm going to quit. And I get back around, and I'm 55 yards away from finishing that fifth lap, and he blows the whistle three more times, and he says, now you get over in the formation.

I don't want to hear a word out of you. you, you're with the running backs. And they had footballs, and I played football all the way through college. I loved the game from that moment on. And my mom knew I wasn't going to quit, and the coach knew what I was coming to do. And he was not about to let me. Oh, he knew what I was going to do. He wasn't, he's seen that look before, like, this guy's coming with a, with a female to practice. He's coming to quit. He's like, I am not going to give him the opportunity to quit. No way is he going to quit. My mom's the same way. I'm not calling the coach. You want to quit. You

go quit. And that's the whole thing. I tell people, I quit one thing in my life, and that quit only lasted about 35, 45 minutes. So, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, influential mom, influential dad, coaches, mentors,

it just, it gives you the confidence. It gives you some luck, right? It gives you, they're like guardian angels where you do these things because somebody, somewhere along the line said, do this and it will work. Wear your socks inside out and right side and it will work for you. And you do it and you think, damn, Wooden was right.

Well, those are the kind of life lessons you can get. It turns out they were right all along. Life lessons I learned eventually by Trace Scalliger. I have a quiz for you guys really quickly because Trace brought up his green couch in the 1970s. We've talked about this on the show. Refinement, what is it? Refinement culture. That everything's starting to look the same, right?

Architecture is looking the same. Music sounding the same. We've refined ourselves into monotony. I saw this graph the day. We've talked about cars. All cars now are black, white, and gray. So I saw a chart of cars from the 1970s, right? And the color spectrum of cars by percentage.

And I saw it in 2026. And here's what I learned from this graph. What colors went down and what color primarily went up. So I'm going to let you guess. Like if we have reduced the number of colors in cars down to just a few now, what did we get rid of? Like what was big in the 70s? It's two colors, I'll tell you, that no longer is, that dropped the biggest in percentage. Can I guess?

you were there wait let Wade because you were there okay wait you go ahead I'll weigh in I was there Cars I am gonna go that I don't know like a royal blue

has gone down and there's two I mean I guess I don't know I'm gonna go red yeah I was born in 1992 I wasn't there sorry

I'm sorry I'm well I'll tell you the one that's gone up the one that's gone up the biggest percentage is gray gray wasn't that big back then now gray is very, very common. All right, Trace, what, it's not royal blue,

what two colors went down the most? Well, I think orange and yellow. And here's what. Orange, every gremlin was orange. Every gremlin that came by in the 1970s was orange. Every pinto that drove by you was yellow or orange. Every Toyota was orange. And you thought, my God, there's a lot of orange cars on the road.

And now you look around the thing, You're like, they're not a damn orange car to be had. We found. There's no yellow cars to be found. Nobody wants a yellow car anymore. That's true. My 280Z was yellow with the flame stripes coming down the thing. You know, that's the whole thing.

You're like, that was 1970s, 80s, California for you. Okay, so orange and yellow are low for sure today. They weren't as high as you think. According to this one graph in the 70s, you know, they might have dropped from four or five percent to two percent of cars. but the cars that were in the 15 to 20% back then and are now in the low single digits are red and green huh that and red

red was huge red was a big car back then and you don't see a lot of red anymore at all everything's white every car's white even in the 90s when I was getting my license like I remember what I wanted was a four my first car was forest green. We painted it because I wanted it to be forest green. It was so cool. It was a Jeep. You don't see, there's some Matt green going around on some of these, you know, whatever everybody drives, the Lexus or the Rivians. You know, the box car. Rivians, yeah, and things like that.

No, it's red and green. I had a red Buick Skyhawk. So, that's sick. Red with Boeux Skyhawk. Yeah. Yeah. Um, there's got to be, do people even buy red sports cars anymore? Yeah, I saw red Porsche yesterday. Ferraris are usually red. Buddy of mine just picked up for 9-11, the, the friggin most beautiful red car.

9-11, it just looks amazing. Yeah, I drive in a Ferrari has to be red. Yeah. I drive in red F-150. Yeah, I do. And I wonder if it is because insurance companies started charging more. That's what it is. Exactly.

Insurance went up if you had a red car over years. Why? Because they thought of the sports cars. Because they're more dangerous on the road, because people would drive them statistically more dangerously and faster. Interesting. Really interesting. All right.

Before we go today, I want to share this pretty amazing clip from James Tala Rico, Senate candidate in Texas. And I believe this is a Fox News digital reporter that goes up to him. after some event and asks him an amazing question to which he has, shockingly, an immediate answer. What? Mr. Taylor Rico, so nice to read and tired. I was there when you defended the drag. Who's your favorite drag queen in Texas?

Oh, my gosh. Probably Alyssa Edwards. I love Mark Eames. Thank you so much. Thank you. I mean, dude didn't have to think twice. That was the fastest answer. Three seconds.

Three seconds. He says the name of his favorite. My favorite drag queen. My favorite part is the sort of, like, phony hesitation. Yeah. Where he says, like, oh, gosh, there's so many Alyssa Edwards. Oh, yeah. I don't know a single dude.

Ed, who's your favorite drag queen? Wait, you guys aren't our favorite drag queens? Come on. Let's be honest. I couldn't, I don't think I know a single dude that could come up with a name. I could come under name than the one he said. I do from back of the day because I lived in Providence, Rhode Island. It was a, it was a very artsy town.

If I was in some kind of like undercover thing. No. No. No. None of the words you said added up to that. Providence, Rhode Island, artsy. They had drag queen parades. They had drag queen parades throughout the streets. I'm dead serious.

I just learned a lot about you. There's a lot of people from Providence. They don't know the name of their favorite drag queens by virtue of. being from providence. A name. That is a sentence that should end with, I know a lot of names of painters. How do I talk myself out of this one? I'm trying to think of if I were in some kind of like undercover situation where I had to come up with something,

I would be like, RuPaul from the TV show. There you go. Oh, yeah, there you go. Oh, I forgot about RuPaul. Yes. I was a Joe Montana guy as a kid, Joe Montana quarterback guy as a kid. If you asked me my favorite quarterback, it would take me. longer to come up with Joe Montana

and it took him to come up with whatever the drag queen's name was. A hundred percent. 100 percent. I know which one my favorite is. Dennis Rodman? No, a buddy-in. Everyone wearing

a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Wow. He said his favorite drag queen is everyone wearing a Cowboys jersey. Vince August. Go Giants. That's from Vince August. So that's the guy

in Texas. If you want, you can have him. He'll be able to name his favorite drag queen right off the bat. Dang. Make sure you check out. Turns out they were right all along. Life lessons learned eventually by Trace Gallagher. It's out now and check them out at Fox News at night.

Trace, thank you so much for being with us here today. Thank you, well. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Very kind of you to do this for me. Let's sell lots of books. Trace Gallagher, book.com, events, books, you name it. Thank you.

There he is. Smart man. No exactly where to push you. The Wade Show, the Wade show with Wade, Wade, Stats. Thank you so much, Wade, as always. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure being on with one of our great living broadcasters, as well as Will Kane. Thank you, guys.

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