Will Cain Country - Trump Vows to Send Iran "Back to the Stone Ages" (ft. Lawrence Jones & David Marcus)

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

While America’s religiousness has seen a slow but steady decline over past decades, that trend has seen a sharp reversal in recent years, particularly among our nation’s youth. Co-Host of FOX & Friends Lawrence Jones joins Will to discuss his new project with Fox Nation, ‘Revival with Lawrence Jones’ which explores what’s driving Gen Z’s return to Christianity and picks up his debate with Will over the conflict in Iran. Plus, Lawrence and Will are joined by FOX News Digital Columnist David Marcus to debate the ongoing SCOTUS Birthright Citizenship ban case, before educating Lawrence on Gen Z vocabulary like “mogging” and “looksmaxxing.” Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@willcainnews⁠⁠⁠) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Why do you love space? Why do you love being a part of history? We're going back to the freaking moon. That's why. He's jacked. Because we're going back to the freaking moon. That's why, Artemis 2. Well, we're doing a lap around the moon.

We're swinging by the moon. We're going to do a drive-by. Check it out. And then in a couple years. See if it's landable. Yeah, we're just going to. Yeah, we're just doing a little recon. Because we haven't done it before.

Yeah. Yeah. Can we land here? I don't know. Maybe. In a few years, we're going to go back to where we were. 54 years ago, 1969. But we are headed back to the vicinity of the moon.

And I just can't look. I saw a video today from some passengers on a flight, a commercial airline. flight and they had a pretty awesome vantage point of the launch and it was pretty incredible to watch that out the little oval window of say an American airline 747 and to see Artemis 2 launching from the ground into the stratosphere straight up or at least so it appears from a commercial airliner And that's pretty awesome. And all of it is awesome. Space.

I just can't. And it's kind of interesting to me, in a bit of navel-gazing, get as chacked about this. Not in comparison to that kid, but as I am when it comes to other moments of exploration in human history. I'll read endless books about the push west. I'll read about the frontiersmen, the Texans, the pioneers. I will read about the 1700s and the men that launched ships to go explore the Pacific Ocean and never before seen islands. The battle was scurvy and mutiny. But I just can't get as excited about the modern-day explorer, the modern-day Magellan.

I just can't quite get as excited at the idea of doing a lap around the moon, landing on the moon, or even going to Mars. And I don't know why that is. I don't know why I can't get as excited. But it's not the same for me as is Cortez. Go ahead, Tuday, Stan. Let me ask you a question. If they built a space station that you could live in within your lifetime, so you get older and because there's no gravity, you could live longer. They have that.

No, but like, I mean actually live in, like with, you know, a huge one, one of those things in the sci-fi movies. Like you'd actually live in it. You know what I mean? You mean like a bunch of us? Yeah, like a bunch of us. Yeah, like a bunch of us. Exactly. Would you do it and you could live a little bit longer because there's less gravity so your body doesn't deteriorate as fast?

And maybe Lawrence, our next guest, could wait on this too after. Do you know what it feels? Space feels to me lonely. The exploration of the 1700s and 1800s felt adventurous, but a part of a bigger project of community. And there's something about space. Maybe if I knew, if there were aliens on Mars, I think that would be different.

It feels quiet and lonely up there. If there were aliens on Mars and you could go interact with them and conquer them, that might be more interesting to me. I just reread Little House on the Prairie with my kids. There was like, you literally would have, nobody around you for like 40 miles. I know. That was as lonely as it can get.

Like, it's extremely lonely. Yeah, you're totally right. You're totally right. Can you imagine being on that ship with a bunch of dirty men all suffering from scurvy? And, I mean, you don't feel, you know, a part of a cool community in that moment, I imagine. I don't know, man. You know what else I suspect? Here he is.

Somewhere. Lawrence Jones, co-host of Fox and Friends. Lawrence's mic is up. Yeah. What's happening? Lawrence. Where is he? He was all white a minute ago.

The whole screen was white. You can't do that the end. Not just you. We know that wasn't me. There we go. You know that wasn't me. That was Larry. There he is.

Oh, there's Lawrence. Oh. Hey, by the way, Lawrence. Space. Is that a white people thing? space? For the most part? I'm not

talking about like the astronauts. I'm talking about just like getting into it, you know? No, I mean. That's what I knew exactly where you're getting in. Look, I've told you this before.

Actually, but this is one of those rule break rules that I would like to break because I actually want to go to space. But there's certain things that we don't do. You do?

Yeah, I do want to go. Like if they, you know, how they've been allowing, you know, different people in TV, or, you know, sports to go, you know, to space, I would love to get one of those journeys. I would love to. We'd be breaking a rule, you know,

because we don't do space, the ocean, rock climbing, like in the mountains, Mount Everest, like all those things, like, that's, like, more of y'all's thing, you know. Like, you never see, like, Wild Bear Bear Attack the Black Dude. Like, we're not there. We're not there. We're not there. Shark attack.

Black, Black, you know. dude, you know. We're not in there. Not in Jaws. I was going to bring up, I was going to bring up the ocean if you didn't. I'm like, if surfing is off limits, you know, like the ocean, that's not my area. That's their area. Then I would only imagine that space is right. Like, think about it.

That's why you have the great, like, scary movie. Like, those type of movies where we die first then, because, I mean, that's not real. You know, that's not real. You know, we're leaving before all the action happened, you know, that makes good TV, though. What, why do you think that's a cultural thing? Like, no ocean, no Mount Everest. And if anybody's listening right now and going, oh, you know, there was this guy or, you know, whatever. Yes, of course.

But we're talking about a, yeah, like that one guy. Yeah, like that one guy. Yeah, right. Exactly. Why? I mean, there's a... Why? Why? Well, because you don't go into other people's habitats, you know? You just don't.

It's like you're asking for trouble. Like, you're going into... It's like a shark attack. It's like, you go in his home and you're surprised. You go into the woods where the bear is. I know the Lord gave us dominion, but it's like, come on. Like, either you're going to weed them all out before you go in there, or you're going in there and you're kind of asking for it.

That's what Bill Byrd did a joke. He said, most shark attacks happen in shallow water. He goes, yeah, that's where the people are. Right. Right. Right. That's right. But you want to go to space.

Yeah, I want to be an astronaut. You want to be like, you want to be like Gail King? Like, do you want to do one of these like glorified six flags rides where you go up a little high and come back down? Or you want to actually get up there? Have you been the space? Have you been the space? No. Have you been? Exactly. So, you know, I actually, look, Gail was a little ridiculous and she wants to be, like, I know I'm not actually an astronaut, but if anybody calls me out and I'm going to say, have you been? Like, for example, your perspective before I came on, you were like, you know, it's not really expiration. It seems like lonely. You only have that perspective because you've never been. You never been. Like, you've been on Earth. I know. You've been on Earth, so you're like, oh, that's cool.

cool because you got to see it. But you've never been in the space, so you can say, well, I'm really that cool. It's really lonely. Would you rather go to the International Space Station? Would you rather go to space or would you rather go to the bottom of the ocean? Like, you've got a submarine that's state of the art, and it's not going to go bad. It's the same level of technology as Artemis, but you're going to go to Marianas Trench. Why don't I feel like this is a trick question?

The space of water. Space or water No, of course space Of course space See that summary Really? Yeah, I'm not doing the water Yeah, I know

I know Yeah, I wouldn't do the summer Like, things can go wrong When I was talking to Butch Wilmore I think I had Butch Wilmore Who was stranded on the international space station For what was it, nine months On the show

He said there was this moment When they were docking to the space station And it was the harriest moment And he said in that moment, if the thrusters didn't work right, they had thrusters that were failing, and they couldn't link up with the space station. He knew the consequence. And the consequence essentially was floating off into space. Now, when I read those books about those explorers on those boats, you know, and it definitely happened. Like, I'm attracted to the ocean, Lawrence, like, I like it.

Like, I would like to do the thing where you sail the Atlantic. I think I would like to do that. sail on from from europe to to america dying out there in the middle of the ocean it's not just living lonely patrick it's dying lonely there's something that is really unsettling about that like sinking drowning i would rather get attacked by a shark in three foot water than drown in the middle of the ocean never to be recovered you know that is really really, and space has that. Like, there's nothing worse in my mind than just, like, floating off forever into space.

No, you die. Like, you're not just going to float. Like, you're not going to be able to breathe. Like, there's a lot going on. I feel like space, space is more supernatural. I really do. I feel like it's something, like, where you have to let full control go. that's what space is.

The water I don't feel that. Because at least you can say I can swim. Like what you're going to do? What are you going to do in space? You're going to fight the air? You're going to be fight to get back. Like you can't, at least you can say, at least I can swim. Well, you're not swimming a thousand miles.

Well, if you have a shirt, you don't know, it's still a chance. Yeah, like, John Fennedy Kennedy, like, you know, made a flotation device out of his shirt and, you know, survived a crash for like four days in the water there. You're not surviving space. Let's take quick break, but continue this conversation with the host of Fox and Friends Lawrence Jones on Will Kane Country. When Westchette first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different.

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Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with the host of Fox and Friends and the host of a new Fox Nation special, Revival Lawrence Jones. All right. On the note of the supernatural, Lawrence is here, not just to talk nonsense with me. He is here to talk about revival with Lawrence Jones, which is on Fox Nation, which is talking a lot about. Lawrence, it's the, the, I'm trying to think of the right word, the reignition, the inspiration, the revival of faith. Tell us a little bit about this, Fox Nation special. Well, you know, when they first, you know, came to me about doing the series, you know, I honestly felt unqualified for it.

You know, I think that's kind of like part of it is like, you know, I'm one that believes in God, Jesus Christ, I'm a preacher's kid. And so I understand that I'm a believer in that sense, but I am not your textbook. When it comes from an application standpoint, you know, I fall so short of it. So if you're looking for, you know, an Ainsley Earhart, who's a jewel, perspective of it, you're not going to get that from me. You see what I'm saying? But I am fascinated with this, you know, prodigal. son moment that's happened in society where people are coming back home in the faith, or they just are curious about it, you know, atheists, people that just want something that's

bigger than themselves. And so I take the opportunity to kind of explore what's happening in the culture today. And it was really uplifting because like me, these are people that, the people that are at least coming to Christ are saying, look, I'm not perfect. I'm not ready for this, but I know there's something bigger than myself. Man, you said something that I think I've said it aloud. I think I've said it on air is exactly how I feel, Lawrence. Like, I talk about my faith, but I don't talk about it a lot. Okay.

And the reason that I don't talk about it a lot is in some ways I feel unworthy of being able to talk about it. I mean, I grew up in the church. I grew up in youth group every Sunday night. But I don't think in any way that made me an expert. You know, I don't think it made me the best defender in making an argument or being the evangelist. That's the thing. Like, I don't feel qualified to be the evangelist that I should be. And I think about it sometimes, Lawrence, like, how do I use my platform and what am I doing with it and how I make it?

I did have a conversation with the guy, Lawrence, that told me that makes you the perfect vehicle to talk about this. You take people along on your journey. Because a lot of people are where you are and they don't need a professor. They need a companion to go along on the journey. That's 100% right, man. And I think that's where I'm at with my faith is you're just going to be on the ride with me. because, you know, one of the biggest things that I think prevent people from coming to Christ is that they feel like they have to have it all together,

or they feel like their works is what gets them into heaven. There's no hierarchy, right? Like, God wants us to be imperfect. Like, you're not going to be good enough ever. And that's totally okay. And, you know, I knew that in my heart. heart, but I guess I've always struggled with, I'm not the perfect example for you out there, right?

Like, I'm not the best example for you to follow behind me. And I still feel that way. I still feel that way. But I do know about Christ. I do know he completes me. I do know that he saved me from so many different moments. and you know I think that's why

I can be an ambassador and I think that's what the young people are or at least figuring it out at this moment in time you know I saw a clip of you this morning I was watching this morning and you're with Zachary Levi

who we've had on the show talking about some of this stuff tell me about this Lawrence there's an interesting thing we've got to reconcile I see the macro stats, the macro stats are ominous. It's like church attendance, belief in formalized religion, even belief in Jesus, all of that is on a huge decline. Like we are a massively secularizing

society. Like if I put the line, if I put the line graph up right now, it would be very, very concerning. At the same time, anecdotally for me, and I live in Texas and I have teenage boys, I see something that I didn't even see when I was a teenager. Like, I see more interest. I really do. I see more interest from young kids today than when I was the same age. Yeah, so I think what you are, you know, talking about is like when we went to church, our parents made us go to church, right?

And so for sure. That's different. Right now, I feel like it's more of an organic approach. Like the next generation's parents now are less likely to go to church, but the kids are. Right. And so, you know, we come. Interesting. Yes.

The generation right now, you know, their parents were forced to go to church, and so they didn't want to force their children. And so now you see this emptiness with these kids, and they discover. faith on their own. I mean, even look at Joe Rogan, like, came to the platform that he has. It's like an atheist almost. And now he's like, I feel something. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but, you know, I'm going down to this expiration. Like I gutfeld is another prime example. He's like, you know, he's been very clear about it. Like, I'm not a believer. But like, he's doing Bible study every week. That's an organic approach. And honestly, Will, I think this is, movement is more sustainable and more powerful because how organic it is.

Oh, I think you're right. I think that's an excellent diagnosis. The, okay, trying to be the realist, not a pessimist, would be people say that every generation rebels kind of against the generation before it. And so you're right. That's how I was raised. It was an expectation. We're going, you know, and it's like, oh, it's Sunday morning. I got to put on my clothes and we got to go, you know, or whatever it may be. And so then, then my generation raises kids who aren't being forced to do it, and then they choose it on their own. Then the question is, what is this generation's kids do with them? You know what I mean? Does it seesaw back and forth, or is it to your point, a more sustainable movement? I think it's going to be

sustainable, but you are going to see a dip. I'm going to tell you why. As believers, crisis happens, right? And once you finally do accept Christ, and the moment there's a pitfall or some detour in your life, you're going to be disappointed when you feel like God has let you down, right? There's lessons in life for everything. And so everything is not going to always go our way.

I think there's this, you know, certain ideology that once you accept Christ in your life, everything is going to be perfect. And that's not true. Right. And so people are going to leave the faith. You know, I warn people this when Kanye, because I followed that movement. And I was going, you know, to the Sunday services when all these kids were flooding the church. And I said, you know, when Kanye does fall, because he is.

is going to fall, don't let this be something where we all pile on him, right? And say, see, I told you so. I told you it wasn't real. That doesn't mean that it wasn't real. You know, there were people, the disciples followed Jesus every single day and denied him. So, I mean, if they experienced the gospel before their eyes and they fell away from Christ, what do you think is going to happen to us? So that's not, I'm not. I think this journey, it's just a journey that people are going to be able to witness. Revival is destroying you what's happening in the culture today. Last time we were together, Lawrence, you wanted to talk to me about the war,

the war in Iran. And the president spoke last night. The president spoke and basically suggested we are going to be winding up this war, that we're still going to pound the hell out of them for the next couple of weeks, but we're going to wind down this war. in many ways the president declared victory. Have we achieved victory? Partial victory.

I mean, many of our enemies, I would say probably the top 20 of our enemies when it comes to radical Islamists are dead. So there is some victory there. But I also think that, you know, the president did that address not to outline, you know, mission objectives, but to play a little bit with the referees a little bit. I would say if I know the president, there is going to be a surge that happens in the Middle East. I don't think we're done yet. And once we finish, you know, readjusting some things within the region, within the next two weeks, I think then we'll all go home.

But I don't think it's over yet. The media. I mean, and I'm going to tell you why. The media, in some way, has been harmful to us and to the president's agenda because Iran's stated goal to end this conflict, and they've been very clear. This is public information, is to put pressure on the market, the oil market, and to convince the president as a result for him to cave to the market, right? Because it's a global market when it comes to oil and gas. gas. And for many respects, the media has put pressure and, you know, they have facilitated. I mean, the oil prices and the gas prices are not Biden-era prices. Yet there is an overwhelming

consensus that things are going really bad when it comes to the gas prices. And I just don't think that's true. Well, but that's real, too. That's not all a media creation, right? I mean, gas is $4 at the pump and a barrel is $110. a barrel. Yeah, but in comparison to what gas prices were, I don't mean to come at this from a leader's point of view, but what I'm saying is he got the gas prices down, right? We've adjusted, and we're talking about over a month period of time, we're already panicking about gas prices. Let's take quick break, but continue this conversation with the host of Fox and Friends Lawrence Jones on Will Kane Country.

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100%. Okay. Describe victory. Whatever. Let's spin the clock forward three weeks. describe victory? I would say victory from my perspective, because I don't come in it from a perspective of what is just best for the Iranian people, although I am concerned about the, I have a heart for the people there. I look at it is they're going to attack us at one point if we don't disrupt their program. So victory is disrupt their nuclear program. take out the Supreme Leader and all of the people that share the ideology that could potentially take us out from their Navy or their missile or drone program. So all of those structures have to be destroyed.

The drone program has to be dismantled. There can't be a real threat from their drones to us or our bases. Their missile program has to completely be dismantled where they don't pose a threat to us as well as their nuclear program. has to totally be dismantle. They will try to rebuild again. The question is, how long are they going to take them to rebuild? I say dismantle in their program where it's a 30, 40-year gap, that's good for me. That's good for me.

Yeah, that's definitely a win, no doubt about it. And to be honest, Lawrence, I think this is why objectives were always a little bit murky. I don't think it was ever really laid out. This is what victory looks like. There was talk of regime change. There was talk of no, not regime change. Your point about the Iranian people, I think, is very well taken and one that I share. This is an America first agenda.

If it works out for the Iranians and they take and seize this moment, great. But that's not in the description of victory unless it is what is required to ensure American security, American interests. And I think in some way that's why. Let me explain real quickly why. I mean, we don't have the stomach, or maybe it's not considered legal if we want true victory. I'm explaining to you why. You can never kill the ideology. You can only kill those that are a threat at the time.

There will be another generation that share the same principles that will rise up and restart again. Unless you want to be accused of genocide from wiping them off the map where they won't disrupt you ever again, that you're not going to get true victory. You're just not. Yeah, and it could be 20% of the population. And that's... Right. That's enough. Oh, yeah. That's enough for an insurgency.

That's enough for a civil war. Corrine, PS2.3 says on Facebook, thanks, Lawrence, for sharing your experience with the Lord. Thanks, Will, for having him on air. And then Charlotte on YouTube, says Lawrence Jones is one of the most authentic voices on TV right now. I'm looking forward to this. So there you go.

Oh, thank you. People out there like you, Lawrence. Look at the people. Look at the people. Well, you know, I always say this. Yeah. They may like me and love me today. Tomorrow, or there you go.

You're going to destroy it before tomorrow. Tomorrow they may. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't go to win for tomorrow. I'm going to do it right now. Because last time we were together, the other thing you said that I was going to revisit is, I don't really know your position.

You just told me you're not as concerned about immigration as I am. And I don't remember like your... Okay, okay, see, I thought I don't want to mischaracterize your position. I think you said, if I remember correctly, Pat and Dan, do I have... You said you want all the illegals in the country that you can get. None of them deported. Open up the border. And you want unfettered free global migration to the United States.

Essentially what you said. You are terrible. You are terrible. You are terrible. Okay. I'm a level with the audience. You know, sometimes on Foxx America, we don't have enough time to go through all of this. I believe that immigration is a serious issue.

You got, I'm not saying don't take it seriously. But as I told people, even before the deportations started to happen, that is a deeply emotional issue. Everybody has someone that they're connected to. And so the president's best thing was to focus on criminals and getting them out of the country. And the people that have been adjudicated and have final deportations orders, you can get rid of them. But if you were to start to people that have been here 20 plus, they have contributed to society, although from the merits, I believe they should go. But are you going to have the populace turn on you? Absolutely. Absolutely.

And you're just not going to be able to win the next election that way. You're not going to win. And so do I want tax cuts, security for the country and all of that more than this to happen? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. Until you can convince the country that they all have to go. How far are you in the law school? How far are you in the law school?

I started in August. By the way, you just announced you. You're going to be dealing with. with immediate relations, not me. You just announced something huge. They didn't know that was, oh, I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing. Hey, if you announced that you're going to deal with media relations, not me.

But yeah, I am starting lost in August. I'm in, I start in August. Okay. What do you think? I think, look, there's a lot of ways to talk about birthright citizenship. There really is. There is the cultural philosophical level of what it, what it means to be an American. there is the birth tourism thing that we've highlighted on both shows about, you know, Chinese and and Turkish and all these other birthright tourism businesses that are set up.

There is the illegal immigration angle to it as well. And then there's the legal arguments as well. The 14th Amendment and what was intended by the drafters of the 14th Amendment in the late 1800s. That's where I'm mad. And that, I love that part of this. Unfortunately, as you said, you started to say you're disappointed. I don't think Supreme Court justices are going to agree with you and me. I don't think they're going to see it. They didn't discuss that yesterday.

I kept waiting for the moment where they discuss the original intent. Look, if people have been following me over the years, I've had a consistent view on this because for obvious reasons of what happened, Texas was. last state to be free and to get that birthright citizenship, there were three constitutional amendments after the Civil War, one being the birthright. There's people blood in the soil, white and black Americans, that they fought for them. Go back and look at the New York Times back in the 1800. Look at the Chicago Tribune at the period of time where they were advocating for birthrights. It was for the slaves and their children specifically. Right. And then even if you want to

go to the Native Americans, right? There was another legal fault, right, about that as well. So my thing is this, if you want the people that have crossed the border to get those rights, then damn it, you better go to Congress and figure out a way to do it. You don't get to just steal stuff from me or the Native Americans that fought that battle or the other Americans that fought in a civil war for this to take place. And the court did not focus on that yesterday at all. at all.

Lawrence, indulge me on this. I want to bring in David Marcus, Fox News Digital's, David Marcus as well in this part of our conversation. Because here's the thing, Lawrence, it's like intellectually, I just think what your points that you're making and I would make many, many more as well, are so sound, so sound. Do you want to know the part that bothers me? And this is going to feed into the previous thing that you said. And this is, I'll go to David first on this.

Did you see a polling on birthright citizenship? Oh, yeah. Like 20 years ago, the majority, the majority of Americans agreed with us. Not by a significant margin, but still a majority. And now, David, isn't it like 60% of Americans support the concept of birthright citizenship? You're born here. You're an American citizen. Yeah, I think that's about right.

And, I mean, I'm less surprised, honestly, then you. I was very nervous about this idea of taking away birthright citizenship for the reason that, citizenship gives people a little skin in the game. And you know I like to focus on the ground, right? So I think of two neighborhoods. I think of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, and I think of Cedar Riverside and Minneapolis. I lived for five years in Bay Ridge. My son went to elementary school with Muslim kids, Chinese kids, Spanish kids, whatever.

You walk down 4th Avenue, pizza place, falafel place, church, mosque, it's all together, right? You go to Cedar Riverside in Minneapolis, where I was recently. You're walking into Somalia. I mean, there is none of that. There is no assimilation. There is no integration. And my fear in regard to taking away birthright citizenship was really that you're going to create a lot more Cedar Riverside than a lot. Oh, God.

Talk about media relations. David lights up a smoke here in the middle of our conversation. I was not only given permission, but was subtly suggested to me by your executive producer. I'll have you know. So, yeah, that's my point. I worry about these people not having skin in the game. And if we could deport them, I'd say fine, but I don't see signs that we're going to be able to deport 15 million people.

But that's almost the point when it comes to the birthright citizenship. Just to piggyback, by the way, you've done great reporter on the ground, David. I always love seeing your work out there. But to your point about Somalia, let's go back to the leaked audio that happened this week in Michigan with that candidate. Right. He said a phone call that was recorded, hey, if your point was accurate, look, I can't praise what happened with, you know, the Supreme Leader because killing the Aitolo. Yes, yes, yeah, because some of my people may be warning. Now, mourning. Now, if you are American and you got skin in the game, I don't care where you come from. You should be on our side on this. The problem is we have imported an entire population that has not assimilated. They have not. They refuse to.

And we've told them that it's okay. I am a gas. Maybe it's because I was in the third grade when 9-11, and it was such a dramatic moment for me to come in New York and to see them with all of this Islamist flag, talking about to the river to the sea, and they just get to march down the street all the way down to where the twin towers once stood. That is nauseating for me because that would never, ever happen in Texas. Ever, ever. It would not be allowed at all. You know, let's take a quick break, but continue this awesome conversation with Lawrence Jones and David Marcus on Wilcane Country. Welcome back to Will Kane Country.

We're still hanging out with Lawrence Jones, the host of Fox and Friends and Fox News Digital's David Marcus. What are you smoking, David? You got a parliament? My berlight. Now, that I'm probably not supposed to say. I'm sorry, I got a street sweeper going by. No, Lawrence, look, I am with you 100%. And I think that if, as it looks like, the Supreme Court is going to tell us, these are

our fellow citizens, the 250,000 babies who are born every year or two illegal immigrants, we need to work overtime to get these kids assimilated, to make them patriotic. You know who does a good job on this? Rokana. And CVS has never printed a receipt long enough to list the differences politically. between Representative Kana and I. But when he talks about his parents' immigrant experience, he always says his mom told him, you won the lottery.

You're the luckiest person in the world, because you get to be an American. And that message needs to be sung from the rooftops by Republicans, by Democrats, by everybody. Because, Lawrence, you're right. You can't have these. Look, the Amish is one thing, but you can't have, these large population of radical Muslims who

don't interact with the rest of society. Well, and it can't just be... What if we did this? Is there a middle ground here, guys? Okay, here's the middle ground real quick, Lawrence. Maybe not the middle ground, it's the realist ground. Because the point that you make, David, about having skin in the game, if you can't deport, carries a lot of weight to me.

Because what you said is, okay, you're going to take away their citizenship, but they're still going to be here, and you can't deport them. And you make a good point to Lawrence's earlier, like, deportations have been troublesome, politically and logistically. Okay, I'm going to set that aside for a moment because I think there's me and a lot of other people who are like peddled to the medal on deportation. However, let's accept the political risk for a moment. Step one, you close the border. Accomplished. Check, right?

Step two, you control legal immigration. You become much more strict on legal immigration and who you allow into the country based upon their proclivity for assimilation. Right? That has to be revisited. I believe that our current legal immigration system is whack. It is, and we need to go back to, I agree with Congressman Ogles and Brandon Gill and Congressman Morris that we need to go back to 1965 and start from there. Revisit what we did starting in 65. That's the next step. Then we have to cut off every single public service that goes to someone who is here illegally. And that would include public schooling, health care, welfare, and everything. And public schooling might be the point at which we're now getting to a political problem. There might be a lot of people out here disagree with us.

Like, oh, no, no, you should be able to go to public school. No, you should not get any public services if you're here illegally. And if you do those three steps, then you see self-deportations go away, incentives go away, and people start to leave. How do we feel about that, fellas? Well, I agree partially with some of what you said because, look, there hasn't been a greater communicator than Ronald Reagan. There's a reason why he dominated the map is because he understood how to communicate with people. He knew people. That's what policies is people.

And one of the great mistakes is, so he tried to deal with the immigration system, but he didn't deal with the security aspect. Now, I am of the mindset that it's going to be very difficult to deal with the things and deal with the people that are here right now, unless they're criminal or not. But in the future, you can make sure that the board is locked down permanently, that we never allow ever to happen again, right? You can bunker us in and start to do deportations and betting of the people that are already here that pose a threat. to society. But if you think, with the exception of the social services and cutting back on that, it's going to be really hard when it comes to the schools to limit that for the kids. People are emotional when it comes to the kids.

So that's going to be really hard. That's true. Yeah, I agree with everything Lawrence just said. You know, it's funny. I was thinking about this the other day. I think it was back in July last year, I was down in Bernie, Texas. And I was talking to this couple, and you would recognize, you both actually recognize this.

This was fairly well off, Trump supporters, guy runs a business. And we got to talking about this issue, and this is pre-Minnesota, this is pre-all the stuff. And all of a sudden the woman says to me, well, you know, there's people in my community, I don't know what their status is, and I'm a little worried about them.

And I'm like, uh-oh. And then the guy says, well, I'm a federal contractor, so I can't, you know, I can't hire illegal immigrants, but I have a lot of buddies who, who kind of have to and their businesses might fall apart if they can't. And then I go, boy, this is really not good, right? And to your point, I would love to just slap a $25,000 fine on anyone who hires any illegal immigrant.

I don't know what happens to the economy if we do that, right? So it's this whole jenga thing. I like everything that you said. But again, you pointed it to at the top, well, it's really a question of like, what does America have the stomach for? And frankly, Conservative media did not cover itself in glory in regard to good and pretty pretty.

Most of conservative media folded pretty quick, I think. And once you did that, it's like, well, you can't. There's no way to perfectly, there's no perfect safety in deporting 10 million people. And I think that kind of gave up the game there. Wait, wait, when you say conservative media folded pretty quickly, what do you mean folded pretty quickly? I mean, I'm not talking about Fox, right? I'm talking about the more, what's a nice way to put this, the more genteel conservative outlets that are out there. You know, your sort of national reviews or those kinds of places.

And I think especially regarding the Peretti situation, they were pretty much ready to throw in the towel and just say like, no, this is a problem. We have to stop this. This can't go on. And it's like, then you can't have law enforcement. Yeah. Yeah. Also, it's like people are connected to them to illegals in this country. Anytime you give a couple of dollars for someone to do some work, I'm from Texas.

That's what you do. I know. You go up and you pull up with your truck and you stop by the stop and they will do things at a quarter of the price. It's a part of the economy. And we've been living that way for years. And it's even deeper than that, you know, it's, it's, it's house cleaners, it's yard men, it's, it's, it's house painters, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, which I got to go in a minute. Are you both, this is going to be, how do you think this will go? I got to end this show in about seven minutes. Lawrence, you, you good hanging out seven minutes? Yeah, I can stay, I can stay. All right, David, are you okay with Lawrence being here because you were also booked to be by yourself, but if you want to, I don't know, man. I'll kick more out of here.

Lawrence is fantastic, man. My, you know, I just, oh, what is it? I don't want to get mugged. Is that what the kids say? But no, it's great. I'm afraid our audience is too old to get that. I hope not.

Man, I got two teenage boys. David knows what mocked. Lawrence, do you know what mugged is? See, here's the thing, David. Don't you have a son of a certain, like, similar age range as my son? Yeah. My son's, plural.

I have two. So, but I think Lawrence is in the donut hole of this. Like, he's not old enough to know because he doesn't have kids, but he's too old. He's not one of the kids anymore. Yeah, but he's always looking back, right? No, I thought he said mobbed at first. But then you said mobbed. Mogged with G.

Yeah, do you know what that is, Lawrence? I don't know what it is. Yeah, look at that. He's in a cultural donut hole. He doesn't even know. David, he's on his way. of being old and he doesn't even know it. You know what I mean?

He's not young enough, but he's not old enough either to know what the youngs are saying and doing. I know. Well, he's got friends like us. You have a cultural. Do you know looks maxing, Lawrence? No. You're just a natural.

Oh my gosh. This is amazing. You don't know. The young. You know the kid who like banged his face with the hammer so he could look better? No way. Do you know about bone smashing, Lawrence? You don't know about bone smashing?

No. This is so great. I'm glad Lawrence doesn't know by the way. Let me see. Looks maxing is a very big trend among young men in this country. It is vanity. They're very into their looks. Okay, you probably know who Nick Fuentes is, right, Lawrence?

I do. I do. I do. Okay. Okay. The next evolution, down from Nick. Nick's almost past now. The next evolution, it would be a guy named clavicular.

Do you know clavicular? Never heard of him. This guy, he's got a lot of influence. He, he, by the way, did you see this, David? He endorsed Gavin Newsome for a moment over J.D. Vance because of looks maxing. Did you see that, David? Yes. Yes.

Yeah. So clavicular's out there, and he's sort of the leader of this looks maxing movement. And it is that young men need to look their best at all times. Strong jaw line, good hair, you know, in shape. shape workout. And if you run into teenage boys, they're very into their looks, Lawrence. What David was referring to is jaw line is very important and cheekbones, right? And so this thing started called bone smashing. They take a hammer to their jaw and do this. And the theory is that your jaw bones grow back. Is it bigger, David, and more defined as a result of the bone smashing?

You're also leaving out the ridiculous drug cocktail that this, like, kid has himself on and the fact that he seems to get arrested every seven minutes. But, yeah, I mean, now I'm trying to think, like, what else we can enlighten Lawrence to is to the world of, um, yeah, no, Lawrence, it's crazy. Dan has a good one. Do you know aura? Lawrence, you know aura? Like the ring to or? Do you know what aura is? No.

Oh, my. This is great. This is the best. That's everything. Lawrence to the kids, young guys, aura. Do you have aura? This guy has a aura, that guy doesn't have aura. Like the good energy.

Well, like, dominating a space. Like, you walk in. You know what the old version of this was? Well, remember back in the day, I mean like five years ago, they would show pictures and like it would be two people and like if one of them was leaning, then like that was supposedly the weak person. Yeah, the green lines. Remember and they draw the lines?

And it's like, oh, that person's Lee, which I always thought was unfair as sort of a tall-ish person because I often in pictures. Like, if I'm taking a picture with Carol Markowitz, like I'm going to go down like this. It doesn't mean that you're going to lean. And now you don't have aura because you're not standing straight like this. And it's not that I'm afraid of Carol, or at least that it's not why. Right. But, you know, I might be a little afraid of care of. President Trump has a ton of aura.

President Trump is a great example of aura. It's not all tied to looks matching. You can have a ton of aura. Yes. Yeah, swag. It's swag. It's swag. Yeah.

Okay. All right. It's so swag. They just changed the word. But now, maugging, Lawrence, David doesn't want to be mugged by you. Mogging is you don't want to stand next to someone who is more looks maxed, has more aura, looks better than you. And then they sit there like this in a picture next to you and you're just getting, they

say mobbed. I'm getting mobbed next to them. Now, smoking compensates for that a little. All right, before we go, because I do have to, I got to go to a soccer game here in a minute. That's why I have to go to. We're in the quarterfinals of the Dallas Cup, and it kicks off in 12 minutes. Here's the question for you guys. Does this man have the aura to be president? Roll it two a days. I don't have an aspiration to become president, but I do think that I could run this country a lot better than Donald Trump. You know what else I think that I could run better than most people? I've been in the game for so long, and I'm not interested in being, you know, the anchor out front. I could come in and fix the bulk of their problems.

There you go. Don Lemon, president of the United States, Lawrence Jones. No. Not even close. No. Does he believe it? Does he actually believe that? No, I think you didn't have the part of the clip where he says, oh, I know this is going to make headlines, which is his way of saying, like, I know this is like the stupidest of a very log list of stupid things that I've ever said. But, and then went on to say, no, it's objectively, I mean, it's, it's hard in the Trump era to say that there's anyone who can't be president. But if there is anyone who can't be president, it's Don Lemon.

When he said the headlines thing, he revealed the game. It was for everyone to play that clip. That's what that was. The sad part is, that's the game. So Don was done. He was done. But he got arrested, right? And so he was looking for this Tupac moment.

And on the merits of it, he should have been arrested, right? He should have been arrested, like on the merits. Like he totally did. Totally was the part of the planning, all of that. But there was part of me. that did not want him arrested because I knew it was going to resurrect him. And now he's getting invited. He became a martyr.

Exactly. And I love that he was canceled basically as a misogynist. My favorite part about that clip, if you remember it, when he's saying, like, you know, women in their 40s aren't in their prime, which, I mean, as a man, I guess maybe as a gay man, man, it's easier to make that mistake. We wouldn't. You know what I mean?

Like, wow. But then he says, Google it. You're talking about Don, not you. Yeah, yeah. Google it. And I'm like, really? Like, Google what? Yeah, that was, that was, I had never thought it out before,

but I think that plays into that, actually. No straight guy would ever say that in the presence of women. But remember, this was the second time. Oh, David, he definitely thought he had a pass. Yes. He thought the gay card gave him a pass. But remember, he's. got he got counsel first by black Twitter.

Because remember during the Obama years, he was saying, pull your pants up and all that. Oh, right. And, you know, he had to this thing, you know, do this. And he got canceled. He got canceled by black. So he really, and then he got canceled by women. And he was like, I need a home. The black folks

got to accept me again. So I got to go full radical. I got to go BLM, going in the middle of the street, protest, be anti-Trump. I need a moment to get everyone back on my side. And he got it. He got it. He got it. He got it. All right, David Marcus, Fox News Digital checking him out, as Lawrence said, he does great work.

And Lawrence Jones, he does great work on Fox and Friends. He's got his new special up at Fox Nation Revival. I appreciate the hang out, guys. Awesome, awesome conversation. Thank you both. Thanks. Have a good one, guys. All right, there they go. David Marcus and Lawrence Jones. And we appreciate you as well hanging out with us today. We hope you will follow us on Spotify or Apple, and we will see you again next time. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon Music app.