Will Cain Country - Trump vs Biden! What To Know & Expect With Former President Trump's Press Secretary

Episode Date: June 27, 2024

Story #1: Former President Trump versus President Biden! The rules of the game, what is a win, and what are the stakes for the first CNN Presidential Debate with former President Donald Trump's Press Secretary, Karoline Leavitt. Story #2: How many stories about former President Trump that turned about to be true did you fall for? And how many of them were presented as undeniable truths by people in the mainstream media like CNN Debate Moderators Dana Bash & Jake Tapper. Story #3: Will and The Crew discuss the best Kevin Coster movies of all time after Will breaks down the audience's response to his interview with the movie star. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, Trump versus Biden, the rules of the game. What's a win? And most importantly, what are the stakes for a conversation with Trump? 2020-24, National Press Secretary, Caroline Leavitt. Two, the Trump peatate. Trump grabbed the wheel of the beast. inflation, was it 9% when Biden took over? What hoaxes will have to be rebutted tonight in the CNN presidential debate?

And which hoaxes did you fall for? Three, reaction to our conversation with Kevin Costner, plus drafting the best of Kevin Costner. Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page streaming coast to coast on terrestrial radio from Wyoming to Texas, from Virginia to California. And always on demand at Apple or on Spotify, just hit subscribe or subscribe right here on YouTube or on Facebook to hang out every Monday through Thursday at lunchtime, 12 o'clock Eastern time with the Will Kane show. you guys had some comments, some reaction to our one-on-one interview, 20 minutes with bona fide movie star

Kevin Costner. And not all of it, positive. You had some things to say. And you know what? I have some things to say in response. I have some thoughts to your response. I have a reaction to your reaction to our interview with Kevin Costner. Plus, would you pick, oh, say, open range, or would you take Yellowstone? Would you take Ten Cup? Or would you take Rumor Has It? The Willisha and I will draft the top Kevin Costner, movies and TV shows over his career. All that's coming up a little bit later here on The Will Kane show. But Trump versus Biden, we get you ready for the CNN presidential debate, simulcast on Fox. There was a moment in preparation for this debate talking about the rules, the moderator,

the arguments that will be made by Biden and by Trump, where Trump 2024 national press secretary Caroline Levitt appeared on CNN. And then this happened between Caroline Levitt and CNN host Casey Hunt. It's to it takes someone five minutes to Google Jake Tapper, Donald Trump, to see that Jake Tapper has consistently consistently We're going to keep attacking my colleagues. Ma'am, I'm going to stop this interview if you continue to attack my colleagues. I would like to talk about Joe Biden and Donald Trump, who you work for. Yes.

If you are here to speak on his behalf, I'm willing to have this conversation. I am stating facts that your colleagues have stated in the past. Now, I'm sorry, guys. We're going to come back out to the panel. Caroline, thank you very much from your time. you are welcome to come back at any point. She is welcome to come back and speak about Donald Trump. Okay. I'm sorry, guys. We're going to have to come back out to the panel. Ma'am, ma'am, I'm here to talk about Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Caroline Levitt cut off, muted, silenced, run off the screen by CNN. What does that tell us about what we might expect in tonight's CNN presidential debate? Let's get to it with story number one.

She is the Tump, 2024 National Press Secretary. She is Caroline Levitt. You just heard her on CNN. And now you get to hear right here on the Wilcane show. Hi, Caroline. Hey, well, thanks so much for having me. It's great to be with you. I'm glad to have you.

Maybe give you, maybe. We'll see how it goes. Maybe give a little more leeway to explain what you think might happen in tonight's presidential debate. How was that? How was that? Were you surprised? Did you keep talking? Did you know you were off camera when they shoved you off screen on CNN?

So I actually didn't. I was doing the interview from a remote studio that did not have a monitor that was showing me the program. So I kept talking about immigration and inflation and all the issues. President Trump will talk about the debate tonight. And then a producer had to come in my ear and tell me, ma'am, you've been kicked off the program. And I was like, what? So I had to go to my TV at my house and watch it real quick. and it was it was truly shocking it really was

I mean all I was doing was repeating statements that Jake Tapper has made in the past and they they shut me off they don't like the truth I guess well you know what's funny is I've done that I've done enough television throughout my career and Caroline's doing an incredible job you're also fairly new at this but I can only

imagine what was going through your mind Caroline because like when you're remote like that and all you get is sound coming through your ear you know this little ear piece you can hear the the the remote anchor, you were probably sitting there thinking, wow, all of a sudden she's giving me a lot of leeway. All of a sudden, she's not interrupting me. I can really get my thoughts out and you were talking and all of a sudden, wow, I've got like two minutes uninterrupted on CNN,

but there had to been a little insecurity. Like, am I still on air? Am I? Because she was interrupting me, ma'am, like every 15 seconds and now all of a sudden she's letting me talk. There had to been a little bit like of insecurity what's going on there was a little bit of hesitation in the back of my brain i was being interrupted so fearlessly by her for so many seconds that i was yeah it was it was all scrambled up but when i went back and watched um it was clearly her who or casey who was very very frazzled by the interaction um and i think it's unfortunate you know by her doing that her cutting off my microphone she definitely proved our campaign's entire point this week, which is that President Trump's walking into a three-on-one fight in this debate.

We know that. We know these moderators have a long history of anti-Trump statements. And Casey really exposed to attack her to the whole world. Ma'am, ma'am, I can't, ma'am, if you're going to attack my colleagues, we'll have to mute her, guys. We'll have to mute her. Okay, she's been muted. Like, you're welcome to come on anytime, Caroline, but you can't talk about my media,

my media colleagues. I'm sorry. You're welcome to come back on and talk about Biden and Trump. But see, she's muted. right now she doesn't even know it right you can see your mouth moving but she's not all right let's bring k let's bring caroline back ma'am you're back um sorry you're just not allowed to talk about our media our media colleagues here caroline unbelievable it really was the whole thing was crazy let's get to the substantive point you were making and i do want to talk about what's happening in this

debate it if look let's be real and that's what you are you're being real it is going to be three on one And you were making the point. We have history. Like, we know. We know what Jake Tapper said. We know what Dana Bash has said. We know who they've worked for, what parties they've actually worked for in the past. So why do we have to pretend that all of a sudden, and by the way, we also know how they've handled themselves over the past eight years when it comes to Donald Trump?

So why all of a sudden are we supposed to believe they've taken some magic potion, an elixir that tonight that will accomplish some level of objectivity? Yeah. Well, that's kind of what that's the whole point, again, that we've been trying to make. And the most frustrating part is that they're being fraudulent. They're trying to pretend like they're the most trusted name in news and that Jay Tapper is truly an unbiased journalist. I mean, absolutely not. If you look at his statements, which I was trying to repeat on air, he has compared President Trump to Hitler, which is disgusting. He said after the 2020 election, President Trump's presidency was a long national nightmare.

on and on it goes. And so just own it, right? Like, if you're a liberal pundit and you can't stand Donald Trump, that's okay. There's plenty of them out there, all right? We're used to that. But don't pretend to be an unbiased, truly fact-seeking journalists because you're just not. And they think they're trying to fool the American people. I think voters and those that are watching tonight know better.

And, again, we know fully well what we're getting ourselves into. And President Trump does too, but he's doing it anyway because he's not afraid. and he delivered on his promise to debate Joe Biden anytime, anywhere, any place. You know, I put myself, Caroline, into the position of someone like Tapper or Bash. Okay, so you're already making these arguments about their lack of objectivity. And they have to know at least 50% of the audience is also going to expect, you know, some level of a lack of objectivity from them because they know reality. So then their instinct is going to be to actually try. to accomplish some sense of objectivity.

They will. I promise. It doesn't mean they'll succeed, but they'll find little moments. I don't know what it will be, Calais. Maybe it's if Joe Biden comes out there and says, you know, when I took over, inflation was 9%. That's going to require a fact check, right, on Joe Biden. And maybe they do it.

Maybe they do. Maybe they even, this will blow my mind. Maybe they do it with the very fine people thing, right? I don't know. My gut is that Joe Biden actually won't say that now because it's been fact checked by Snopes and he's got to expect that he won't get away with that lie. But there will be a moment where they're going to feel compelled to illustrate some sense of objectivity on a Joe Biden lie. But what they're going to be competing against Caroline is the opinion of their colleagues.

Like, we know what happened when Chris Lick took over, that Chris Lick took over CNN and tried to bring in some semblance of balance. And he was ran out of CNN as president of CNN. So if Jake Tabor tries to come in and show some semblance, of balance, he'll be burned at the stake by his fellow colleagues at CNN. Right. Exactly. There's going to be a conflict of interest in their hearts, I would imagine, especially, you know, with their own bias, right? Like, they clearly have made their opinions of Trump very well known, but also they understand that millions of people are going to be watching, expecting them to unfairly treat President Trump. And I think, you know, again, if they truly

believe in their heads that they're fair journalists, they're going to hopefully present themselves in that way tonight. So we hope that they will do the right thing. We hope they will ask good, tough questions of both candidates that are relevant to what the American people actually care about in this country, from immigration to inflation, to the wars that we see all over this world. But again, it has yet to be seen. It will be an interesting night, say the least. How do you guys, Caroline, prepare for that? So, okay, you. You, can't outsource, you can outsource a fact check. You hope you can, right? You guys can sit there and you and I can talk about it, and we can hope for that from Jake Tapp or Dana Bash, but

we should definitely not expect it. So then the instinct will be, and that's not new. Donald Trump has dealt with that in 16 and 20. I need to be the fact check, right? I'm going to have to, if he says something like inflation was 9% when I took over, well, I've got to go, no, no, no. you're going to have two problems. Let's go through them one at a time. The first problem, they're going to mute him. We've seen the technology, and they did a whole thing on it where you can see if your mic is green or not, and they did an illustration. If your mic's not green, you can't hear it. You won't be able to hear him. It'll look when I was joking around with you about muting you a minute ago. I'll see Donald Trump's mouth moving, but I won't be able

to hear him fact-checking Joe Biden. So that's problem number one, Caroline. Yes. That is a requirement that was asked for by the Biden campaign by his handlers, clearly to protect him. They know that he is incapable of standing up there for 90 minutes and truly getting into a, you know, a heated back and forth exchange with President Trump. So I think that this is, this, we know this was a way to protect Joe Biden in tonight's debate. With that said, we still readily accepted their terms because President Trump can obviously. handle it. He gives hours-long speeches to crowds of thousands of people all the time, oftentimes not using a teleprompter. He does hostile interviews with the news media frequently, far more than Joe Biden does. So he's prepared and he's ready for anything. And I think the fact that Joe Biden's campaign really demanded so many requirements shows you how much pressure they know is on Joe Biden to perform. He is the incumbent president. He is deeply unpopular. He's behind in the polls and President Trump in this race, he really needs to perform tonight. And they've

done everything they can to set the stage perfectly for him to do so, including hiding him away at Camp David for the last week, drilling talking points into his brain. And, you know, well, I think one of the most underreported stories of this past week is that fact that the leader of the free world, Joe Biden, cannot prep for a debate and also govern at the same time. And that's deeply concerning that our president cannot do a few things at once. He has to hide away. We've been heard from him in a week. We've had thousands of people storm our border. We have real problems on our hands, and he can't address them while also prepping for tonight. But it shows how much pressure his team knows is on this debate. Well, okay, so I think I agree with you

in part, Carolyn. I mean, you're making a good point. Like, if you're the incumbent, the pressure's upon you. But then there's this idea percolating out there. And I think it has some relevance, and that is, in fact, I think you guys have given it credibility. I think Donald Trump has given this idea of credibility, that the bar has been lowered for Joe Biden so much that people have talked about his lack of mental competency, his age, his senility so much that if he goes out there and doesn't fall on his face, he will have met expectations, which puts the pressure back on Donald Trump. And I think that this is where I think that you guys, I think Donald Trump has given it credibility. Who did I see him with? Maybe it was on the All In podcast. I can't remember where I saw a clip of Donald Trump saying, well, he was actually given Joe Biden a little bit of props.

He was like, well, he's done this before, you know, he gets up for these big things. And, of course, he talks about the drug test. But he's reestablishing the bar, Caroline. He's saying, you know, don't set your expectations so low for Joe Biden. And that, I think, if they have been lowered, puts the pressure back on Trump. Well, I think two things can be true at the same time. One, Joe Biden is mentally and physically declining. There's no way around that.

Anyone with eyeballs has been able to witness that for the last three and a half years. He does stumble over his words. He does trip over his own feet. We've seen it occur. With that said, Joe Biden is also a career politician who has engaged in more than 40 debates since 1972. He has been in politics for 51 years.

That is longer than many of the viewers watching tonight's debate have been alive. And so there will be some muscle memory undoubtedly that kicks in for Biden on the debate stage tonight. Again, he's been preparing for this now for a week, not doing anything else, so he best be

prepared. And his team knows that he has to perform for big nights like this. You know, we recall the State of the Union address. Many have said perhaps he was artificially stimulated for that performance rightfully so he clearly brought a different energy and vigor to that night than he does on a daily basis that and we should expect to see that same joe biden tonight you do so your camp the trump camp donald trump expects to see a joe biden that is energetic amped up ready for this debate of course he is

no other choice. He has to show up in that way, or else it will be a devastating blow to his already failing campaign. And that is why, again, he has been hold away in the woods for a week prepping for this night, because his advisors know how badly he needs to show up. With Caroline, Donald Trump's not been shy. I mean, he said, I want drug tests. I'll submit to a drug test. Joe Biden should submit to a drug test. Is it your belief that the, the, You know, it's less important what you, Caroline Leavitt, but is it the belief of the campaign? How do you think he's getting up for these moments? Do you think it is a performance enhancer?

It is some type of stimulant. I do. I mean, many medical people have come out and said that. And, again, just being an honest individual with eyes, you saw him at the State of the Union. He was very different than he is on a daily basis when we see him engaging in meetings with foreign leaders from the Oval Office. when we watch him give 15-minute teleprompter speeches where he shuffles off of the stage, he was clearly more focused that night. And so I think it's a reasonable conclusion.

And President Trump does too. And that's why he has called on Joe Biden to participate in these drug tests. And if the Biden campaign wants to prove that Biden doesn't have to be artificially jacked up for nights like this, then why don't they commit to a drug test? The offers on the table, they have refused to accept it. If they want to prove us wrong, then do so. So I think this is actually incredibly important. I don't think this is like silly, partisan talking points.

I think this is incredibly important because the implications are if the President of the United States requires some type of stimulant to be up for big moments, what does that mean about his ability to govern on a day-to-day basis? And I even think that extends beyond, I think it even extends beyond medicines. I think even if the low bar of requiring extra sleep, even if he requires extra sleep to get up for the state of the union or extra sleep to get up for the debate, that's important to know about the guy we're electing to be the leader of the free world because if in order to be on his A game, our president needs 14 hours of sleep, that diminishes the number of hours he can actually devote to leading our country. All these things, my point is I think it's incredibly important.

I think this conversation is not just partisan attacks. And I agree with you, Caroline, about the common sense of what we all see. I just think, and by the way, you can walk around in the world, and people just bring it up. They do. And because it's our common sense. But I've directly had this debate with people on the left who say, it's irresponsible for you, Will Kane, or you, Caroline Levitt, to say that if you don't have some form of proof. It's irresponsible for you to suggest he's on, name your, name your drugs. if you can't name the drug.

What do you say to people that say, burden of proof on you, and if you can't satisfy it, you're being incredibly irresponsible by accusing the President of the United States of taking drugs before a debate? I would say the burden of proof is on the Biden campaign to prove what, prove us wrong.

And again, I would say our proof is our eyes and common sense and watching him, again, on nights like State of the Union versus on a daily basis where he cannot even walk up a flight of stairs. So, again, if the Biden campaign wants to prove us wrong, they have an opportunity to do so, and they're refusing. I wonder why. So I mentioned coming back to our conversation that I had two concerns about Donald Trump playing the role of fact checker, which I suspect is going to be required of him, because I do not think it's fair for any of us to accept the CNN plays the role of fact checker. The first concern we explored, which is the use of technology to mute Donald Trump. The second is the stylistic vibe that Trump establishes.

You know, we would like to believe the debates are about policy and positions because they should be, Caroline. But I remember this, and I've shared this on this show several times. I think it was Ronald Reagan's campaign or communications advisor. It said, for better or worse, it is as follows. 80% how you look, 15% how you sound, 5% what you say. and how you sound that 15% for Donald Trump has gone both ways. In the first debate against Joe Biden, he was very aggressive. He interrupted a lot.

He played the role of fact checker. And I know he knows this, by the way. He had reviews that were like, you were too much. And he's talked about this from the rally stage. You were too mean. And then in the others, he laid back. And he was more cordial and kind. And you could even argue more strategic in giving Joe Biden the rule.

room to show how he could fail on his own. And so if Donald Trump has to play fact checker in the CNN presidential debate, simulcast on Fox tonight, he runs the risk, I think, Caroline, of maybe choosing that path of 2020's first debate, which could hurt him in that 15% of how you sound. Yes. And it's obviously incredibly frustrating to hear someone lie so much, and Joe Biden lies a lot. On the debate stage in 2020, he lied about the existence of the Hunter Biden laptop. He said it was a Russian smear campaign. We obviously knew that was false then. We know it to be false now. And so hopefully CNN will play a role in holding Biden accountable for some of these

lies and asking him good questions about the lies he spewed over the last three and a half years. But as for President Trump, you know, the goal is to stay focused on his policies and his vision to make this country great and his plan to secure the border, his plan to rebuild the economy. But as for fact-checking, our campaign is taking on a lot of that ourselves. We actually launched a website today, fact-checkbiden.com. You can go to it now. I would encourage your audience to bookmark it for the debate tonight. You're going to need it when Joe Biden starts spewing many of his classic lies.

We already have the facts and the truth. And we will be actively fact-checking the fact-checkers all night long as well. We know there's many of them out there. are on the left. They like to fact check Donald Trump, but not Joe Biden. So we'll be making sure these fact checkers are actually doing their job. Are you talking about CNN's Daniel Dale? Daniel Dale, CNN's fact checker has suddenly been re-hired. If you're talking about him, I might have to mute you again. You cannot talk about CNN personalities. Caroline, we've established that. You won't be invited back to the panel. But, okay, so what you're telling me is,

what I'm hearing, I think, is I should expect a Donald Trump that more resembles the version of Donald Trump in debate two and three with Joe Biden in 2020, more so than the Donald Trump I saw in the first debate in 2020. I think you should expect the President Trump you've seen on the campaign trail this election cycle in 2024. He has been incredibly disciplined, focused on the issues that matter, on his solutions to solve the many problems that Joe Biden's just disastrous administration have created for the American people

in the last few years. And that's why he's winning. He has a winning message. He has the momentum in this race because he has, again, a winning message to uplift all Americans. And you're going to hear him talk about that tonight. Now, as for expectations, the media has been talking all week about hypotheticals. As President Trump has said himself, a debate is like a boxing match.

And you adjust and you adapt throughout the fight accordingly. And he will be ready to do that. It's really good, Caroline. I mean, I'm always on the lookout. Like, is this talking point? No, I'm serious because that's what happens when you go into politics. But no, when you say, when I ask you, is it going to be more first debate or second and third debate and you kind of pivot and go, no, Will, it's going to be 2024, Trump.

I don't think it's just talking point because he has been different. He has been a new version of Trump. And here's the thing, Kellan. I think it's working. I think, like, I know it's working. Well, here's what I want to know. I'll tell you what I know, and you tell me what you know, you have a, what I know is just talking to people. And people say to me, and I'm not talking about, like, I've been a Trumper for eight years type people.

I'm talking about other people, the key ones, the ones you've got to win a new, right? Saying stuff like, wow, he's just way more disciplined. And I think as what they're saying when they say he's more disciplined is that he's more, maybe more likable, but more presidential. Because I think that's becoming the debate. Joe Biden, faltering and being senile and physically frail, doesn't look presidential. And if Donald Trump, even though he's been president, we know, can appear not petty and not combative, but actually above Biden, he looks presidential. And that's what I'm hearing kind of newly. I would say in the spring of 2024.

There is definitely a, a papable shift in this country right now amongst Americans of all backgrounds. Doesn't matter what state we go to, doesn't matter the color of their skin or how much money they make. They are supporting President Trump for various reasons, but mainly because they feel the contrast in their lives with his policies versus Biden's policies. And this is such a unique election in that way. We have a former president and a current incumbent president facing off with one another in such a short period of time where people can really feel that contrast and how policies have impacted them and they remember it tangibly. And that's a very powerful message for us because we know President Trump's policies were better. And so we see that in our internal polling across all demographics. We see it with the money that our campaign is raising.

President Trump in the last two months has outraised the Democrats by a significant margin. most amazing part is that the average donation to our campaign is just over $70, which tells you that this, this hall is coming in from average hardworking Americans out there who are just fed up with Joe Biden and who are inspired by President Trump's aspirational and optimistic message. And our hope is that tonight will give President Trump another great opportunity to draw that contrast. Okay, so what's a win? Describe for me a Donald Trump win.

tonight. A win is CNN, truly being fair. A win is CNN asking good questions on issues that actually matter and giving President Trump, again, that opportunity to really focus on the policies of his first term and his plans for his second term. All right. Last question for you, Caroline, this has been an awesome conversation, by way, completely. I didn't have to mute you, but one time, it's been wonderful. You haven't insulted Sean Hannity or Pete Hegg said. and therefore I had to kick you off the panel. No, this has been great. It's actually really insightful.

So this is what I wonder, as my final kind of piece of conversation with you here, the stakes. It's interesting. On surface, you always go, well, the stakes are, you know, who wins to be president of the United States. But I think the stakes are different for this debate. I'm not even sure that is the stakes. To my knowledge, to my quick recollection of history, I don't remember having a presidential debate in the summer before the convention. it's just kind of super odd right um i have to wonder if the stakes for what happens tonight is not who wins the presidency but who actually ends up running for presidents of the united states i do

this is back to the pressure on biden versus trump i don't i definitely think john trump will be the nominee for republicans but i think joe biden's performance tonight could be impacting who the democratic nominee for president is that's what i'm thinking about when i think about the stakes And I think you're right about that. And our campaign does too. And that is why we launched two ads this morning in the battleground states to run during the debate tonight. One of them is focused on the failed promises of the Biden administration. But the second is reminding voters that a vote for Joe Biden in this election is actually a vote for Kamala Harris. And that could maybe happen sooner if Joe Biden truly bombs the debates on the debate stage tonight. But look, at the end of the day, a majority of Americans understand that there's simply no way that Biden can make it through four more years. He does not have the physical or mental stamina to do so. And so reminding voters that as bad as you think Biden is, his vice president is a heck of a lot worse. And we could be stuck with cackling Kamala at the end of this race. And I think that is a powerful message to deter voters from voting for

the Biden-Harris ticket. It's a really good point, by the way. I mean, we're going to be talking about for the next 24 hours, and we should, but can Joe Biden make it through a debate? Can he make it through 90 minutes? But the real question, the real debate is, can he make it through the next four years? And that one seems to be more obvious than whatever can get him through 90 minutes tonight. Really good conversation. Caroline Levitt, see what happens when you let someone talk and you have a good time, you'd be a real person. Like normal people, we're just having a good old chat.

All right, Trump's 2024 National Press Secretary. Yeah. And by the way, you might be up there. You might be right there the, I mean, I don't want to make any assumptions, but you might be getting used to that kind of interaction with CNN. You might be the, if Donald Trump wins, you might be the press secretary, right? Well, we have to win first. We're going to focus on that. Thank you, Will. I didn't think. See, that discipline and of itself suggests that she's qualified for the job. That'd have been some if she said yes. All right, Caroline Levitt. Thanks so much today for being on the will. Kane Show. Thank you, Will. Good to see you. All right, you too. We'll be watching tonight to CNN presidential debate, simulcast on Fox. Ma'am, ma'am, if you do not stop talking about my colleagues, I'm going to have to kick you off the network. It's pretty funny, by the way,

that Caroline kept talking. It's like when you drop a call on your phone, you know, and you don't know, and you keep talking, and you have to call them back and be like, where was I? And then you're so disheartened when they tell you the last thing you said, and you're like, I talked for like four minutes after that. That happens on TV. It happened to Caroline Levitt on CNN. Hopefully it doesn't happen to Donald Trump tonight in the first presidential debate. Hey, speaking of fact checking, we got a list, a long list, an inventory, a warehouse, a clearing house of hoaxes that could be run out tonight. Let's go through, I don't know if we can go through all of them, but we can hit a lot of them and ask ourselves here on the Will Cain Show,

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It's the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Hit subscribe, Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, and you can always hang out with the Will Cane Show. Join the community to leave a comment. Like the following, we just had Caroline Levitt, Trump's 2024 national press secretary on ahead of the CNN presidential debate tonight to break down what we can expect. Great conversation. That was really good. Blimpis on YouTube says they're going to cut Trump's mic

every time he speaks and we can't broadcast lies on our network well you know what Blimpis that's a really good point I mean that's the MSNBC model at least like they won't even take a Trump rally they won't take a Trump speech

they wouldn't even do it when he was president of the United States under the banner of we don't broadcast lies which is laughable joke will CNN do that well I mean They've acted that way in the past. They've said those kind of things in the past. So in a presidential debate, who knows what they'll call a lie,

because we're about to get to a bunch of the lies that they've told about Trump, and they would mute him when he tells the truth. Rob D. says, I think it was a mistake to take this debate without negotiating. It won't be enough after the fact to call it rigged. That will feed into the narrative. Trump thinks everything is rigged. Well, to that point, I was going to bring that up with Caroline Levitt. Okay, if his mic is muted,

then he can't fact-check and interrupt Biden in real time. If he's only given a certain amount of time, you know how they do that in debate, you have two minutes to respond, and he has to remember and then fact-check everything that Biden just said while his mic was on. So therefore, he has to eat his time up fact-checking what Biden had just said during his two minutes. And again, it's going to be because the CNN moderators won't fact-check Biden on this whole list of hoaxes coming up. in just a moment here on the Will Cain show. And then Ricky LaFleur says,

I hope Trump whips out his own. When I first read that, I was like, oh, we'll read the whole comment before you read it. I hope Trump whips out. That was the point when I got nervous. I hope Trump whips out his own microphone once they mute him. How funny would that be? He wouldn't be able to, because he wouldn't be able to pipe into the system. But like, what if he pulled out like a bullhorn?

You know, because his audio would be picked up over on Biden's mic over there. He just whipped out like a megaphone or a bullhorn to, it's like Reagan. What did Reagan say, sir, I paid for this microphone. This starts fact-checking through a bullhorn over it, over at Joe Biden. What will need to be fact-checked? What would likely be ignored by the CNN fact-checkers like Daniel Dale or even the moderators, Jake Tapper, or Dana Bash. Let's bring in the Wilisha.

tinfoil pat, young establishment James in two a days, Dan. I want to go through some of these hoaxes. The last couple of days on the Will Cane show the last week, we've talked about one of them, which is the very fine people hoax. Snopes. Snopes. Snopes. I don't know.

Has now seven years later admitted that was a hoax. And by the way, Joe Biden said that was his inspiration for running for president. What Trump said at Charlottesville. Of course, he didn't say it. you just have to play the whole clip. So, like, it's not inconceivable that Joe Biden would again say it tonight because, again, his inspiration for running against Trump. But more likely will be something like the following, when this was pointed out by Mays

on X. Inflation was at 1.9% when Biden took office. Not the 9% Biden currently claims. This is a verifiable fact. In June of 2021, Biden said inflation would not be a problem. problem and that he wasn't worried about it. So he will most likely say tonight that inflation was at 1.9%. I know this because his surrogates are saying that. Will he be fact check on that? He'll, by the way, COVID, he'll use COVID as every cover, number of jobs. He starts

the recession with COVID, as though that's all economic growth for him. So here's some of the biggest ones. And I want to say, I'll ask you guys as well, and I'll tell you, which ones I fallen for this is an inventory that's been created on X of of hoaxes all right so we just talked about Trump called neo-Nazis very fine people um jussie smollett anybody here fall for jussie smollett even for a minute big time two days yeah i don't know why i don't know why i don't know why i felt really hard for that one and i felt so stupid um but yeah two days you thought that a let me just get this straight. You thought a, I don't think

he was a main character, I don't know, because I never watched it. But you thought one of the characters from Empire, which airs on BET, went out for a subway sandwich at 1 a.m. and was recognized by two white nationalist MAGA guys walking around urban Chicago

wearing MAGA hats and said, this is MAGA country, happened to have bottles of bleach on them, ported on him, and, by the way, either quickly found get a rope, boys, and fashioned a noose, or just wore walking around and had a news, threw it around Jesse Smolet's neck, he went home without ever taking the news off, called the cops, and you bought all that. Well, saying it like that, I guess.

That's everyday behavior. But, no, I think my fault was just not reading enough about it, which, you know, I'm just a, I guess I'm just a sheep. Well, that's what happens. People just read a little bit about stuff. Here's some more. Not all of them are directly tied to Trump, but they create the environment around Trump. Bubba Wallace had a news placed in his garage at a NASCAR event. Of course, everybody knows where I was on that because I think I was one of the guys out front going, doesn't smell right.

And, I mean, look at FBI investigating. The biggest piece to me on this one was, do you know that those NASCAR garages are randomly assigned, like, the night? Like, right, not long before they parked their car. cars. Yeah. It's like, who would have come in and hung a noose in Bubble Wallace's garage? Did anybody buy Bubble Wallace's thing? No, sir.

No, no guilty parties. What's that? You learned after the Jesse Smalley thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point, by the way, actually. Did you think that the Covington kids stood in the way of a Native American and acted in a, I don't even remember what it is now. He's smart.

Lordly white supremacist manner? No. You bought it, tinfoil? For like the first couple hours, I kind of fell for it. And then you started seeing more about it. And then it was like, oh, no, this is wrong. All right, here's some better ones that deal directly with Trump. Did anybody think that Trump, I think there's people that still believe this.

So I'm actually curious, mostly with two days, if you believe this, that Trump said drinking bleach. would fight COVID? Ah, damn. Yeah. I did fall for that for sure. Trump said you should drink bleach? Yeah. Well, because you see things and you, you know,

and if they're repeated enough on social media, you start to just fall for them. But I did my own research after that and realized. You're not supposed to do your own research. That's the sign of a fool. Didn't you learn that during COVID? You're right. What about COVID lab leak?

conspiracy. Did you believe that it was more likely anyone that it came from? I'll admit to you this. In the beginning, like they were talking, I knew about the Chinese wet markets and they eat weird stuff. And that made a little bit of sense for a minute until you learned that there was a COVID research facility right across the street. And by the way, I don't think I'm alone. I think a lot of people went with like, where did this come from? Could it be the wet market for a minute? Right? Yeah, I felt pretty dute by all the COVID stuff, like pretty hard. I felt for that and I was like you know what you can't say that you can't say it's from China I fell into that whole trap and you know now you learn what about what about um border agents whipping

Haitian migrants at the border was a cheap fake no way not even the second right nobody we were on that like we talked about on the show so we knew for we sniffed it out right away so absolutely didn't make it even a bit of sense um This one, I was in sports media. I was at ESPN, so I will tell you, like, steel dossier, Russia collusion. This stuff hit the level of, like, keeping up with the war in Afghanistan for a decade with every detail, every day. I mean, I was never, I had no idea what to make of any of that. Because you were inundated with names and the latest Rachel Maddow, breathless expose.

So I didn't believe it. and I didn't know whether not to believe it I didn't know anything I was just kept in a state of confusion which I actually think most people were

and might have been the point until we started learning about the steel dossier what do you got where were you guys on all that what about you Jamesy fall for that one

we knew that was nonsense from the transition on to be honest I never thought about until we started doing it on the show yeah

it was the same way yeah but James James, he always knew. Very smart. James is plugged in, as they say. Yeah. How about Trump used tear gas to clear a crowd before the Bible photo?

I believe that one. You still think that might have happened two days? I believe that one. Yeah, I was kind of like that's sad. Today? To this day. I believed it. I just had no problem with it.

Up until I saw it on this list, maybe. So it's... What about Ivermectin? It's... No. Well, about Ivermectin. No, no. Horse dewormer.

Did you buy that? Well... Officer... Here's a good one. Officer Siknik was murdered by protesters. I bet two of a I still believes this one, too. No, no, no. No?

Okay. BYU students hurled racist insults at a Duke volleyball player. We did that one here. Yeah, I wasn't here with that. But see, the thing is, By the time that one came around, we'd already been through Jussie Smollett and Bubba Watts. I think we'd learned. Never trust this stuff early on.

Go ahead. No, I feel like there's little trigger things you could start to suss out when you, like, hear these stories, right? They all kind of have similar. Like Trump grabbing the wheel of... Yeah, they have little undertones of things. This is going to be a fake one. Trump grabbing the wheel of the beast. Yeah, yeah.

Or Trump overfeeding coy fish in Japan. Sure, it'd be cool if he did. They get similar. Exactly. that's what I mean I'll tell you establishment was all in on the beast

he bought that one I did but I thought it was cool I was like wow he started driving he took control that's the kind of leader you took it the wrong way

you bought that because you liked it yeah Trump leaning over from the back seat and grabbing the wheel it's so ridiculous there was another one I wanted to do here really good.

Oh, there was the Trump ignored Russian bounties on American soldiers in Syria. Remember that? Everyone bought that one for a minute. That one was run all over the news. The thing about all of these is it's a little bit like what you said,

a ghost of Kiev was out there killing Russians everywhere, like killed a hundred Russian pilots, one guy. He was like Iron Eagle back in the 80s. No one knows that movie Iron Eagle, but me. Lou Gosset Jr. The thing about all of these is, it's exactly what you said to a day's.

It washes over you and then it's repeated ad nauseum. And it becomes fact because they get simplified. That's for one thing. Really good. Like this list, which is really good of all of these. It's like you can reduce them into like one line. You know what I mean? And then people just believe it and repeat something simple over and over and over enough.

Like, I'll tell you this, like, when we did the fact check just the other day about the very fine people hoax, there is a significant percentage of people that do not care. They'll believe it anyway. And they will say things like, saw it with our own eyes. You know what I mean? And I saw one comment on X that said, you're a liar and had the, me, I'm a liar, and I had the transcript of what Trump had to say, right? And it highlighted where he said, but of course. You know what? It's this long. It cuts off where he says, I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis, but they don't care. They don't want to believe the truth. They love the lie. And the truth is too complicated. It requires more time or more context or more explanation when the lie is so perfectly simple and short and repeated over and over. And many of these, I guarantee you, many of these will come up tonight. And I have no hope. that CNN will fact-check Joe Biden on any of these.

But I have every faith they will be fact-checking Donald Trump at every possible opportunity in the CNN presidential debate simulcast on Fox. A lot of reaction to our conversation, our one-on-one with movie star Kevin Kastner. I want to react to some of your reaction. And we'll draft Kevin Kossner projects next on the Wilcane show. Following Fox's initial donation to the Kerr County Flood Relief Fund, our generous viewers have answered the call to action across all Fox platforms and have helped raise $7 million.

Visit go.com forward slash TX flood relief to support relief and rebuilding efforts. Big one-on-one interview with Kevin Costner here on the Will Kane show, streaming live at Fox News.com. Fox News, YouTube, Fox News, Facebook. Hit subscribe, Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. And you folks had a lot to say about our conversation with Kevin Costner. I'll bring him back in the Willishtia Two of a Days, Dan, Young Establishment, James, and Tinfoil Pat. So it's kind of interesting.

Tinfoil texted us yesterday on the internal Wilcane Show text chain. Something about watching it over and over, the interview. And you know what's funny is re-watching. watching it, I experienced that interview differently. Sounds weird, but then to do the interview in person. I really did. And, you know, look, there are places where I want to, like, force humility and there are places where I just want to be real. I really pride myself on being able to do interviews, and part of it is, like, connecting with other people. You know, I had not the easiest time connecting with Kevin Costner. That's being real.

So therefore, I experienced it different than when I went back and watched it, and I listened to him, and I'm like, I could have been done a better job of being present and listen to what he's saying, because now that I hear what he's saying a second time, I don't think I heard everything. I don't think I heard everything in the moment, and that's what I want to do. I want to hear everything someone is saying. And I actually thought he's being really thoughtful. He's trying. It doesn't mean I disagree with him. And my favorite thing that Costner said was towards the end when he's talking about being around people you disagree with. And he says, and I say, yeah, you know, and this was a Max Kellerman line, in a debate, one of two things happens.

I win or I learn something. And then Costner goes, or a third thing, I think about it for a while and want to revisit it and keep coming back. We just showed an earnestness and thoughtfulness to continue to, I don't know, it's way more sincere and endearing for me. then I gave it credit for originally not that I hated it's just like I don't know I found sincerity and earnestness but that's not what everybody felt right two a days that's right or you're just that good of an interviewer they just got the best out of them that could be that could be it too even when I'm on my B game yeah that's right now some people had some comments and we were looking at them and a lot of kind of just blind hate for people in Hollywood and I knew it was

coming before you even did the interview i knew we were going to get these ones like this right here if you want to read it does he have any this is from roddy mosley does he have any idea where america is right now doesn't sound like it he looks and sounds like another hollywood holly weird sell out yeah here's my thought on that uh well and you know yesterday we we we had pete heggseth on the show for a while and pete said something that kind of reflects this, and I agree with in part. Pete said, look, he's just an actor. And so I don't really care what he has to say about politics or anything else. And it's fun, it's a position that I've held in part. So here's what I mean by that. These people, just because they're good at acting and have become famous, have no extra credibility or insight than any average everyday person. That's a fact. So you don't give them extra credit. You shouldn't give them credibility.

But I think in turn, you shouldn't also give them extra dismissiveness. You shouldn't automatically hate them for the same reasons that another person would give them credibility. Let me see if I can explain a different analogy. You think about people that are born rich and people that are born poor. It's easy to hate the person that's born rich. But you shouldn't, right? Because he had no more impact on that outcome. than the person who's born poor.

The question is, what do you do with it? Like, do you take what you were given and do more, whether or not it's poor or rich? Or do you do less? If you're born on third base and you retreat to second, that doesn't reserve credit for a double, right? But if you're born on third base and you bring it home, you deserve credit for advancing the ball. I do think that's true. If you're born poor, same thing. Do you increase your station in life or decrease your station in life?

And that's where we get how to judge you. And it's like I apply that to celebrity as well. I'm not going to give you any more or less because you're famous. I'm going to judge what you have to say on its own merits. And I don't know. That's how I feel about it. And I think that a lot of us have just fallen into the reactionary thing like famous, therefore liberal, therefore dismissed. Yeah, it's true.

And I mean, like the rock endorsing Biden, like they're voters too. But to what point do you want to? to hear a celebrity have a platform to give you a political opinion. And there's another comment like this here. Yeah. Let's see. Richard A. Smith says, really couldn't care less what Costner has to say. I don't have to care to listen. I just don't think because you are a Hollywood star, you're an expert in politics. The has been on every side of the spectrum, he's a good actor and should stick with that not a leader but see i agree with like the first half of that you don't have to listen to him because he's famous but you listen to him to find out if what he has to say is interesting

right and and i guess even for me when they disagree with me yeah but is it interesting in any particular way i don't know i just think that pat and patrick you texted this into it yesterday that you before i don't know it's kind of weird i never asked you about it you said before i joined the show, I used to just hate instinctually. Anyone on the other side? Yeah. Well, not just on the other side, but just, you know, you hate what you don't know. And so you see people who, like in Hollywood, for example, who you make assumptions about, or you see people in news media, even in political talk, and you just assume that they're a bad guy because they hold different opinions in you.

But it's an assumption that's not true. As I've gotten to know more people, it's like, I see that's wrong, you know. But here's the catch. Some do, right? And that's what you have to be able to acknowledge. You know, some, it's true. Live in an elite bubble and think that that reflects the world. That's 100% true, right?

And it may or may not be true with Costa. I don't know. But the point is, you've got to leave yourself open. It's like racism, you know, like leave your. yourself open to individuality. Like, you've got to have enough curiosity to hear what someone has to say and leave yourself open to. Maybe they actually have something interesting to offer and not just because they're a celebrity

or not just because they disagree and they're a celebrity. Are they immediately worthless? You got one more two days? Yeah, I do, yep. Here we go. Gloria Womack says, not interested in Hollywood Freak who backed Elizabeth Warren. Yeah, he did. I mean, Liz Cheney, I know for sure.

One more, too. Winer's of America says, Kevin Costner is a far-left liberal. He doesn't get to pretend that he's not after the Joe Biden's... Bleep Joe. Show? I don't know what that means. Leap Joe. I stopped.

Okay. I stopped watching his entitled ass a long time ago. Well, that's a shame because he's actually a really good actor. And that's another... I really like his characters. And I really like his movies. Real quick. In fact, let's draft his projects. But real quick, Patrick. finish that thought.

Oh, well, I'm going to say, like, Kevin Costner is an actor, but he's also a producer and director. I mean, he's one of these people that is thinking. He's not just, like Brad Pitt, you know, isn't like that. He is just a, just a ham puppet. Well, from, I don't know. How do you know?

I don't know that. That's the point. I don't know that. Yeah. You want to know that. You want to know that. You want to jump into the comment section, tinfoil. Okay.

so so maybe you should maybe you should you should join the comment section you really should don't get fired on a burner um so um no i think you guys should all jump in the comment section just be careful yeah um that laugh he has no idea how that sounds you don't know how you sound it's different i know i know okay last thing here let's let's um by the way coster and i also share a lot of the same some interests, meaning like the Old West and sports and politics for that matter.

I mean, and I like the characters of you. So we thought we'd do a quick draft of Kevin Costner projects. This can't include TV, fellas. The draft order in a snake draft, we're going three deep is Will, two a day's, Pat, no, I got that wrong. Will, Pat, two a days, James. That's how we're

going to go. Maybe you can give a little underbred music here, keep this draft moving better than the NBA draft last night. I'm going to have the first Pick in Kevin Costner Projects, much to the dismay of Two A Days, Dan, with the first overall pick, the movie that I could watch over and over, the character that I love, Roy McAvoy, I am taking Tin Cup. Damn.

That's a good one. You're up, tinfoil. Stay true to my brand and go with JFK. Oh, of course. Wow. A hundred percent true to your brand. That's exactly you. All right.

So I may have duped you with the tin cup because it's actually Field of Dreams of my favorite movie. I've watched it twice in a row one time. Well, here's the thing. I like Field of Dreams, but I think people pretend to like Field of Dreams more than they actually do watch it. You are so, right. That's not a movie that people rewatch as often as they pretend.

Where Ten Cup, if you're scrolling through and that's on TNT, too bad. You got sucked into the black hole. I'm watching Ten Cup. I'm all the way in. This is going to be harder for young establishment, James, because most of these heyday movies came out before he was born. He didn't know any. So it would be interesting.

What did you... You already took some of the good ones. I'm going to go with 13 days. Is that... Is that you still at the Duke? Yeah, I think it's good. And then I have another pick. No, I like it.

Yeah, Snake Draft. You get two in a row. Bull Durham. Ah. Solid. All around. Now, let me be honest. Have you watched Bull Durham? You're like 24. Have you watched Bull Durham? It's always playing on the MLB network. It's true. You're a big baseball guy. I would take Bull Durham over Field of Dreams. That's the truth. And I like Field of Dreams, but I like

I think Bull Durham is imminently more watchable, rewatchable. I think people actually behave like that, what I am saying and say something different. All right, my turn. 13 days is great. 13 days is great, by the way, James. Yeah, you're a question for Biden. So I'm going to go surprise here. Another baseball movie, but for the love of the game, it's a romantic movie. No, it's great.

I love that movie so much. And I don't care if someone calls me corny. It's amazing. I'm with you. I love it. I got to mark it off the list here, so I can keep up with what's left here. Keep a list of your three picks. We're going to see you as the best one.

All right. you tinfoil, Pat. Ooh, ooh. I'm going to have to go with Waterworld. I think it got panned early. But it's making a recovery. People go back.

Oh, that's a very pat movie. I don't hate it, actually. I think it got a little overpanned. It's an interesting concept. Like, the world is flooded with water. We got a whole new thing where we live on like islands and man-made islands. It's great.

jet skis around like that elevator pitch is amazing could have left out the gills um all right so i've got to get a western in here at some point we've we've really picked over the sports movies although draft day hanging out there oh damn it he said it one of the best one of the best movies ever made about being an NFL GM maybe the only movie um and i got to pick two here Highwaymen, that was good. Hatfield McCoys, that was good. I've got to take, though, something, there's two that earn the running

for the best ever Kevin Costner movies. That's Dances with Wolves, obviously, and this one, which I'm going to take, which is untouchables. Oh. That's such a good one. I'm taking, yeah. So in true snake draft fashion, I've got to take a Western.

Because this is just, I've got to. And it could be open range. I thought about that. But we said all Kevin Costner projects. And I'm going to let one of you guys have draft day. And I'm going to take Yellowstone. I think it deserves to reach the top of his career. So I'm taking Yellowstone.

Yeah, we started watching that again in my home last night because of the Kevin Costner interview. Oh, nice. All right, who's up for the last round here? I think it's tinfoil. Patrick. Yeah, I'm going to. go chalk here, just like James Wood, and go with dances with wolves. I would like to point out, though, the Field of Dreams, you've interviewed two people from that movie now.

You have Timothy Busfield and Kevin Costner. When did I have Timothy Busfield? The Field of Dreams game, like a year or two ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, at the Field of Dreams. Yeah, I remember that now. Yeah. We just have to keep going down the list. I don't remember all my interviews. Good job. All right, Dan. What do you got?

I'm going off the board here a little weird, but I love this movie so much, and you're going to laugh at me. But the bodyguard, I mean, come on. Overdraft Day. Yes, overdraft Day. I'm taking the bodyguard. I love that movie. It's a great. Let me just get this straight. Let me just get this straight. You're home on a Saturday afternoon. You're traveling out of town.

for business or you're on an airplane. You are watching or downloading for the plane bodyguard over draft day. I don't believe you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I am. Anti-brown hatred. All right.

All right. All right. You get the last pick, Young Estableness James. There's going to be some big stuff left on the free agency market after your pick. Let's just review what hasn't been picked. The Highwayman Hatfield McCoys

Wyatt Earp Molly's game Underrated movie Open range It's about gambling Open range But it sounds to me like You're going draft day

Is that where you're going? It fell to me You gotta go with it It's a more highly and better More highly accurate and better movie than Moneyball Got to go with it All right I don't begrudge it

All right, really quickly, I just want to compare who got the best slate. So, James, your three movies you drafted are what? Draft Day, 13 days, and Bull Durham. Solid. Two a days? Field of Dreams for the Love of the Game and the Bodyguard. Last place. Tinfoil.

JFK dances with wolves. and Waterworld. Those are pretty... It's between me and James. Damn. It's between me and James. You're two eight-star movies. I have 10 cup untouchables in Yellowstone.

I think that it's between me and James for the best Kevin Costner draft slate project. We should put that out on social media. If you... Answer in the comments. If you had my slate, you'd be saying you're winning. Well, I've admitted, I'm a big man. I've already admitted that yours is in the running. James like it's like right there um the other two are out tell us what you think in the comments

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