Will Cain Country - Trump's FDA Nominee Dr. Marty Makary: Make America Healthy Again

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

President-elect Donald Trump has selected Dr. Marty Makary, surgeon and public policy researcher at Johns Hopkins University, as his nominee for FDA chair. Will revisits a conversation he had with him shortly before the election on what he would do to reform America's medical system, and how to attack the systemic challenges they face. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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you'll know just how healthy they are. Visit Spexsavers.cavers.cai to book your next eye exam. Eye exams provided by independent optometrists. Get to know your new commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration. Our guest and friend, Johns Hopkins Surgeon, Dr. Marty McCarrie. It's the Will Kane Show, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern time at Fox News.com, the Fox News YouTube channel, and the Fox News Facebook page. but always available, as you know, by subscribing on Apple or Spotify. Today, in light of the news, the president-elect Donald Trump has nominated Johns Hopkins surgeon, Dr. Marty McCarrie, as the new head of the FDA.

We thought we'd revisit some of our conversations with Dr. Marty McCary. He's one of the most brave and smartest people that I've run across since I've been in the news business. He was strong when it came to COVID. rational. He was intelligent and I think a great person to lead the food and drug administration. So we thought we'd revisit one of those conversations for you to get to know him a little more. Here is Dr. Marty McCarrie. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax.

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deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcast.com or wherever you download podcasts. Join me now as the author of a brand new book. He's a Fox News contributor. He is a medical doctor. Johns Hopkins University. He's one of the voices that over the past four or five years, as I've got known as one of the most trusted in my mind voices in medicine in America. It's Dr. Marty McCarrie on the Will Kane Show. What's up, Doc? Good to be with your, Will. So what first, before we kind of dive into some of the issues that are most curious to me, what led you to blind spots? Over the past three or four years, you and I've had conversations

about COVID. We've had conversations about food and weight and how to make healthy choices. What led you to writing a book called Blind Spots? It's the power of group think. You see a lot of smart people develop these giant blind spots, and in medicine, we've got a tremendous blind spot, and that is our poison food supply. We're watching all of these chronic diseases skyrocket. In the last 50 years, I mean, American health care has been a failure when it comes to health. When it comes to emergencies and sophisticated operations, we're better, and we're pretty amazing. But when it comes to the main issue of our country, and that is the health status of our population, all these chronic diseases have skyrocketed. No one is talking about the obvious,

which is the poison food supply. Now, there's other examples where we develop huge blind spots, and you mentioned one of them with the peanut allergy, but there's a long list where people need to know the truth about health. And if I just write a textbook, no one's going to be interested. But if I tell you the backstory of how this medical dogma takes on a life of its own with no scientific support. And then science actually shows that it's wrong and the establishment is too proud to acknowledge it and just kind of fades away. That's what I think could be a valuable education for people when it comes to health. Let's talk about food and then back our way into group think. You know, these two things it seems historically were accomplished at the same time, Dr. McCarrie.

For most of human history, the biggest battle. was the battle against starvation. Poverty was marked by starvation. And then we saw a marked change in that. In fact, it was flipped 180 degrees on its head. I mean, if I'm guessing, it was about 50 years ago. And, you know, I've read a lot about how a lot of this was accomplished in terms of, you know, genetically modifying food, fertilizer first in the 1800s.

We just learned how to grow bigger, stronger, more plentiful food. And at the same time, now food became cheaper. and people had access to it. So we solved starvation, but it's like we went from a people across the globe who couldn't get out of the batters box to rounding the bases and not stopping at first or second. We went to obesity, like in one failed stroke, from starvation to obesity in record time. You know, well, they say you're the smartest guy at the network, and now I see why, because

that was an excellent story. Who is they? Yeah, the word on the street, man. Sometimes I question it when I see your loyalty to the cowboys, but I guess you're a loyal guy. You're also a loyal guy. By the way, really quickly, on that note, you're a Ravens guy, right? So you have, you have, you have bragging. Speaking of media bias, where was the coverage of the Ravens beating the Cowboys on last weekend?

So I haven't had an opportunity yet. I will eat my just dessert. So let's just hope I don't, to have a very cute transition. hope I don't get obese, eating my just desserts on Cowboys' Losses this year. You look like you're in great shape, but you're totally spot on here. The American food supply was designed to treat food insecurity, that is hunger, not nutrition. And so when they started producing food, not with good soil, but basically raised food that was raised on caffeine with no real nutrient supply, with no regenerative farming, we got food that

looked pretty, and sometimes it was genetically modified to be bigger. but it was poorer in nutrients. And then we poured pesticides on it. And then we added ultra-processed foods. Then we engineered highly addictive food ingredients that were designed to be addictive. And so you feel kind of full or queasy after you eat. But really, your hunger has increased because of these ingredients.

And you just want to keep eating. I mean, you can't overeat on healthy whole foods like broccoli or steak. But with these food ingredients and our poisoning, food supply, people were starting to find their appetite increased. And then we altered the gut microbiome. These are all things that are avoidable. And then pesticides sprayed most of our food supply, like 90 plus percent of fruits and vegetables are sprayed multiple times. The average strawberry has been sprayed like a dozen times with seven and a half average different types of chemicals. Roundup was sort of a byproduct of the Agent Orange era. And they found, sure,

it killed the pests, but it also killed the crops. So they genetically modified the crops to be so-called round-up ready, so they wouldn't die from the round-up. But humans are not round-up ready, and they're not genetically modified to handle these. So it's altering the microbiome. So these are the things we've got to start talking about. Modern medicine has blown this whole area off, but we've got to address the fact that half of our nation's children are overweight or obese. It's not their fault. Just as an anecdote, Dr. McCarry, I've been probably, I've been an idiot on food for most of my life, maybe like everybody, you know, just kind of, I didn't think about it.

I mean, to be, if I'm being honest, I was for the first 45 years of my life, pretty naturally skinny. I didn't have to fight or work at it. So I didn't think a lot about what I ate. I knew, okay, let's not eat a ton of sugar. You should pass up on dessert, that kind of thing, right? I'd say starting in July of this year, I became someone who's like, okay, now I'm focused on what I'm eating. And all I'm doing is something simple. I'm just trying to eat as much possible protein every day, like 170 grams.

And I'm trying to eat as few of calories every day, under 2,200. And what I found is I'm not sitting here trying to, I had a revelation in this, which is what you just alluded to, I'm not that hungry throughout the day. Like, I stay full. Now, I've attributed that to the lasting effects of so much protein in your body from breakfast through lunch through dinner. I just don't get hungry. But I find it's not that hard to do the thing that's hardest for most people.

which is get under my calorie count. As long as I'm getting nutritious protein throughout the day, and I'll still eat vegetables or whatnot, but I don't have that much trouble hitting a lower calorie count. So basically, to what your point is, I'm not getting all those empty calories that just make me hungry over and over again throughout the day. Well, you don't need any doctors.

What you're doing is working. I saw you a couple weekends ago, and you look great, and so keep doing, you know, these are like biblical principles, whole foods, clean meats, fasting, meditation. You know, we just have to block out a lot of the noise, like breakfast is the most important meal of the day. You know where that comes from? That comes from a General Mills advertising campaign in the 1950s. I don't think cavemen woke up to a giant breakfast buffet, you know. And so look at the Amish, very low rates of cancer, autism, obesity. They're active. They're eating

off the farm. They've got good soil, good techniques. They're not eating ultra-processed foods, and they don't have seed oils. Seed oils sound natural, like vegetable oil, corn oil, canola oil, but they're not. They are denatured at very high temperatures, and then they're changed with a chemical solvent, a technique that was learned in the petroleum lubricant industry. And it changes them. These are chemicals, and it's 10 to 20 percent of U.S. calories now are the seed oils. Just look at the packaging of anything with a long list of ingredients. You'll see it right there. And what's happening is all of these chemicals, the ultra-processed foods, the pesticides, microplastics, heavy amount, you name it, all of these things that do not appear in nature when they hit the gut,

when they go down the gastrointestinal tract, the body's immune system that lines the GI tract is reacting, not with an acute inflammatory storm, but with a low-grade inflammation that's always there. It's constant. And it makes people feel sick and sad sometimes. and what are we doing? We're ignoring this and we're just throwing poison food at our nation's kids and we're medicating people. We're over-medicating. I mean, 20% of kids are on meds now. That's quite a statement. Okay, so many things I want to follow up on that you just said. So first, I'd never heard that before. So I am, I am fascinated by the topic of autism, okay? And I don't have any, because I have the answers. I only have the observational questions.

meaning when I was a kid, you know, there just wasn't a high rate anecdotally of autism. There was higher rates of Down syndrome, and we know why you don't see Down syndrome kids as much as you used to in the 80s and 90s. And the answer is abortion. But we also back then didn't see, you know, obvious rates of autism, and it's fairly common. I don't know what the current numbers are. But you just told me autism rates within the Amish population is incredibly low. I'd never heard that.

So many of these chronic diseases didn't exist two living generations ago and still doesn't exist, but where it is rare in some of these old men in Ayanomish communities that live off the land. And we see the same principle overseas. Autism, which was ultra rare, is now one in 22 kids born in California. What is going on? I talked to some of the experts on the microbiome and gut health for the book Blind Spots, And they believe it has something to do with that lining of bacteria that make up the microbiome. Because some of those bacteria are connected to the brain.

They produce serotonin. And they've observed for a long time that autistic kids have a different consistency and texture to their stool, suggesting a central role of gut health in autism. Wow. And so, and by the way, I'll connect the dots a minute, but same thing with peanut allergies. Like I teased that, and I know you wrote about this, and you've written about it recently in the Wall Street Journal. That was something, I mean, we never heard of peanut allergies when we were kids. Now you can't get on, they don't even serve peanuts on an airplane.

No peanut allergies in Africa, most of Europe, Southeast Asia, and no peanut allergies in the United States just two generations ago. And even in the 1970s and 80s going into the 90s, they were rare. they occurred, but when they were sort of noticed in the 1990s, they were mostly mild. But then the American Academy of Pediatrics ignited our modern-day peanut allergy epidemic by ordering mothers to avoid all peanut butter and peanut products for kids zero through three years of age. Now, they had forgotten about a basic principle called immune tolerance, or the old dirt theory. That is, if you're not exposed to something in the first few years of life, you become sensitized. to it. And they had it perfectly backwards. The recommendation of peanut butter abstinence resulted

in a increase, a surge in peanut allergies. And so when peanut allergies started skyrocket, they thought, we got to double down. We got these anti-science moms out there slipping in some peanut butter. And 15 years of beating parents to avoid all peanut butter for young kids, then they realized from a big study that showed it's not genetic, it is from the peanut abstinence. It is from the peanut abstinence. that causes peanut allergies, then prevent it, causes it. And that's why the U.S. has the worst peanut allergy epidemic in the world. So what about this can be a question in part back to autism? But, well, so has the working presumption been for a while that autism is a genetic disorder?

And what I'm hearing from you is at least the hypothesis that it's an environmental disorder. And as part of that, like you use a word that I'm hearing a lot more and more. You know where I heard it first? Tom Brady. Inflammation. Because I was in sports and we were fascinated by Tom Brady's diet and he wouldn't eat this or that or this or that that that would cause inflammation. But now everybody's talking about inflammation. So how core to all these problems is the concept of inflammation? Look, Tom's the goat for a reason. I mean, he's spot on. And modern medicine has sort of standard reflexive answers for everything. When you ask, oh, what's causing celiac? What's causing autos? What's got? Standard answers. It's genetics, obesity, or tobacco. Genetics, obesity, or tobacco, everything. They're totally missing the point. They've got a giant blind spot. Look at the microbiome, the central organ of health. Look at how we alter the microbiome with unnecessary antibiotics in the last 50 years. With C-sections, you have a different microbiome. A study just came out associating inflammation. with having been born by C-section and even colon cancer in people who were born by C-section. We know inflammation is sort of a root cause of so many chronic diseases, inflammatory bowel disease, all on the rise.

It was rare just two generations ago. So one amazing study out of the Mayo Clinic I go through in the book is they looked at kids who took antibiotics in the first couple years of life compared to kids who didn't. And we know antibiotics carpet bombed that microbiome altering the balance. of bacteria, of those millions of bacteria normally in the gut. And they found that kids who took antibiotics in the first couple of years of life had higher rates of obesity. Now, if you know, farmers have noticed for a long time you give antibiotics to animals,

they're fatter. And so the world expert on the microbiome just did this experiment. He said, hey, if antibiotics are changed the microbiome of animals and making them fatter, what are they doing to children? And you hear about people who exercise and work out like crazy, can't lose weight. Turns out their microbiome may have been all. altered in its early formation. We do so many things to alter the microbiome, and we don't appreciate it.

That same study out of the male clinic found that kids who took antibiotics in the first couple of years had a 32% higher rate of attention deficit disorder. Remember that connection between the gut and the brain and the serotonin production? 90% higher rate of asthma also on the rise and a nearly 300% increased rate of celiac also on the rise. There you go. All these chronic diseases tied to gut health and no one's talking about the brain. gut health, the microbiome, and our poison food supply, and what it does to it.

Now, antibiotics save lives. Don't get me wrong. C-section saved lives. But we are altering the microbiome, messing with mother nature in ways we don't appreciate. So anybody listening, and I'm out of my own curiosity, so testing my microbiome, is that something that you would advise? Like, I can go in. I know you're a gastroenterologist, but can I get my microbiome tested, and then depending

on the results, are there things you can do to rehab your microbiome? So we, the science is in its infancy. We've just now recognized this link between the gut microbiome and all these diseases and general body inflammation. But we don't have good tests for it. We get all of these data. Remember, there's millions of different bacteria so we can sequence them all now with DNA technology in an hour and tell you, here's the millions of data points from all the different

types and the balance and the diversity. of your microbiome, but we don't know what to make of that yet. We do see that as populations from other countries like the Philippines move to the United States and adopt the Western American diet, their microbiome diversity shrinks. We see more rise and overgrowth of certain types of bacteria in the gut that normally live in a low level, overgrow into a higher level, and some of those are pro-inflammatory bacteria, increasing general body inflammation. Now, probiotics are there with the promise of helping to restore some of the gut bacteria. It could be yogurt, could be sort of different, you know, all sorts of different compounds, fermented drinks. But we don't have

good science to know what's working and what's going right through your system. Most probiotics will go right through your system. So I encourage people to try different things, especially when they're struggling with something. But we don't, this is where the field is just now recognizing what's been in their blind spot. I saw a clip of you. I don't know if this was a medical panel. It could have been even a congressional panel. I think it was a medical panel where you just referenced the Philippine immigrants.

You told this fascinating story about the Pima Indians that they had run out of food supply from growing it on their own land and they were sent to food supply from the American government. And then almost immediately they had an obesity epidemic. And in order to address that medicine's response and the government response was, let's see if they have a genetic predisposition to obesity. It's like the comedy, the absurd, right? This is like the ultimate in government misguided policy.

The government had felt bad about the injustice of ruining the soil of these Indians, so they sent this government food. It wasn't healthy food. It was government food, junk food, processed food, spam, and things like that. And when they got obese, the NIH dispatches their researchers to draw the blood of Indians to look for a gene as to why 90% of them are obese. It's like, no, you've been feeding them junk food. Like, we cannot see the forest from the trees. And it's emblematic of what's going on in the medical field. We have failed to look at our food supply and these catastrophic

mistakes caused by the medical establishment. Well, these are medical crises that were ignited by the medical establishment, the dogma of peanut abstinence and peanut butter abstinence, igniting the modern-day peanut allergy epidemic, the dogma that opioids were not addictive, igniting the opioid epidemic, the dogma that hormone therapy causes breast cancer, resulting in 50 million women suffering needlessly when they should have benefited from hormone replacement therapy. And on and on, the food pyramid misinformation, people need to know the truth. So one more general understanding question. General body inflammation, okay, again, that is a concept

that is taken on the role of villain for me. But I actually don't know what it does to your body. And in fact, you know, we can almost, like, I'm puffy today, or I feel, you know, whatever, bloated or inflamed. I don't know if those things are all connected. Tell me about general inflammation. So inflammation is sort of a response of the body when it senses injury. It will send certain types of cells to the location, including blood clotting factors, sensing

something's been injured and we need to repair it. And that inflammatory storm is happening at a low grade when you're obese. Obesity is an inflammatory state. And when cells are under that duress of the inflammatory response all the time, first of all, you feel blah. You just don't feel right. You could feel low energy or you can just feel sick. And then another manifestation is that it's irritating the cells as cells divide,

and we now recognize that it affects mutations and is a, associated with cancer. And we're seeing a bunch of these cancers go up. Guess which types of cancers are going up in the modern era. The cancers that line the GI tract, colon cancer and young people on age 50, pancreas cancer. Yeah. So what do we do? Well, first, before what we do, let me ask you this. Is this one of the things that we should or should not be doing? Now, I approach this with a level of humility. What attracts me to this particular subject we're about to broach is dishonesty. And I don't know why, but like the Ozympic conversation.

So I actually don't judge people who are choosing. I know a ton of people who are using Ozympic. And the truth is, I don't know that I know any of them are doing it for diabetic reasons. They're all doing it for vanity reasons, right? And okay, fine. You know, what, I don't know that I have judgment on that. I noticed no one ever says anymore. You look great.

How'd you lose the weight? No one ever says that anymore. But so what do we, what do you, I know this is part of medicine's constant medicinal response instead of addressing a healthy underlying condition. But what are your thoughts on OZMPIC? Well, OZMPIC is mimicking a hormone that normally is in the body. So we can make it sound like it's very dangerous, but the bottom line is it's been around for a long time in its natural form.

Now, when you take it regularly, you're slowing down your GI motility. You're reducing excess muscle fat, but you're also reducing, sorry, you're reducing your excess body fat. You're also reducing your muscle mass. And the number one predictor of longevity is how much muscle mass you have. That's been well established before OZempic. So are we accelerating frailty? Are we reducing excess body fat and even obesity complications in the short term, but accelerating frailty and reducing lifespan? I think it's a nuanced conversation.

But don't please tell me you're not. I'm not on it because you're an inspiration in terms of fitness. No, I'm not, I'm not on Ozympic. But look, man, like, if I had trouble with my weight, I'm not sitting there telling you that I wouldn't be. I'm just not going to, it's just not an issue that I've ever thought about. I don't need that. But, um, yeah, I, so it's working.

So there's a popular theory. It's not a theory, as you point out. It's, it's science that that everybody my age, younger and older should be lifting weights. Like, you know, the 80s, where this. running culture day, right? Like cardio, cardio, cardio, run, run, run. But now everybody says lift weights, lift weights, lift weights. And the reason why is what you're talking about, you need muscle mass because you naturally lose it through life. So Ozympics working in direct contrast to that effort is what you're saying. It's taking away your muscle mass. So you pay the price,

you're going to be paying the price in your 60s and 70s and 80s. We don't have that long-term data, but that's the concern. Now, there are an estimated to be about 15 to 16 new GLP type drugs are going to come out before 2029. And some of those purport to be blocking the receptor on the muscle. So you won't have the muscle loss or less. We'll see. We'll see. But the bigger question is, is this the road we should be going down as a society? Just medicating all of our problems. Maybe we need to talk about school lunch programs instead of putting every six-year-old on Ozempic as the American Academy of Pediatrics is pushing for right now. And when you talk about adults, it's one thing. But when you talk about our nation's children, we've poisoned their food supply,

it's in a giant blind spot, half of them are overweight or obese. Type 2 diabetes used to be something a pediatrician saw maybe once in their career. Now it's one in four to one in five kids will have diabetes or pre-diabetes. It's 95% curable with just changing what people eat. So we're feeding them these highly processed foods that function like sugar, even bread, stripped of its fiber chopped up. It functions like sugar. Feeing them sugar all day. We're wondering why they're tired and can't sit still a desk. We medicate them for attention deficit disorder. They're overweight. We blame it on them. You know, you're disobedient. You're lazy. What about kids in Japan where the obesity rates less than 5%? Is, are they, you know,

our American kids intrinsically, inherently, genetically more lazy and disobedient? No, we've poisoned the food supply. This is something adults did to children. Maybe we need to talk about school lunch programs. Maybe you need to talk about treating diabetes with cooking classes, not just putting every person on insulin. And we got to talk about the environmental exposures that cause general body inflammation and obesity, not just chemotherapy. But there's no money in this. There's money in new medicine. There's no money in everybody getting healthy. So during COVID, Doc, you and I talked a lot about group think within the medical establishment. And I think that's its own conversation. it's one that you and I have had.

On this, there's also clearly, and obviously a group think. I'm curious, so how much of this group think, though, is captured by financial incentive? Like, doctors don't make money if they get everybody healthy. Now, I don't think any particular doctor is sitting out there on a day-day basis going, well, it's like a mechanic, right? Like a mechanic needs cars to break down or he doesn't have a living. You know, you can't just, I'm going to make sure no car ever breaks down again. I don't think that's motivating individual doctor.

doctors. But I do think there's a, and this is how I brought up COVID, another role at play where the pharmaceutical industry can help influence the existence of a group think when it comes to how we deal with COVID. And we're not interested in issues like Ivermectin that don't fall under our patent umbrella. But in this particular case, how much of the medical establishment is commandeered by big food? All of these giant food industries have created the group think within medicine? Well, Big Food basically wrote our food pyramid, and when the government tried to revise it last year, they said Lucky Charms was healthier than a steak. So Big Food has had a big hand in a lot of the health recommendations. There's no nutrition taught at medical school,

and the little that is taught is mostly misinformation based on the NIH's old food understanding. And I agree with you. Doctors are good people. I love them. I love being a doctor. And I don't think anyone is diabolic or wants people to be sick. But we've done a terrible thing to doctors. We've allowed pharma to control the research enterprise. So all the discussion is only about drugs, right? There's only a little mild lip service to these other giant issues in our blind spots. And we've done a terrible thing to doctors in this country. Well, we've told them, put your head down, focus on billing and coding and short visits, and we're going to measure you by your throughput. And we've not given doctors the time or resources or research infrastructure to address

the root causes. So when you hear about, oh, Medicare can now negotiate the prices of six generic drugs, great. You know what? That's $6 billion in an expanding $200 billion a year expansion of our $4.5 trillion health care system. These are issues around the periphery. They're shiny objects. It's not to say they don't have merits. We need to talk about the root causes of our chronic disease epidemic and that means looking in our blind spots which in this case you're talking about specifically focused on food if if money here's my final thing it's off of blind spots but it's always been a curiosity of mine and I know it doesn't necessarily fall under the gastrointestinal specialty although maybe it does if we track everything back to the micro biome

is if capitalism drives everything and money talks in medicine I still can't can't figure out why they haven't cured baldness. Like that is a multi-trillion dollar market ready for someone to exploit. If you can just figure it out, you'll be as rich as the man that cures cancer. Because vanity, this is why Ozmpic is blowing up, because vanity is a powerful motivational force, and they've shown men care more about baldness than any other specific medical condition. So why hasn't money solved baldness?

Well, I think, actually, we have solved a lot of baldness, but people are just not aware of monoxidil, red light therapy, even... Really? Yeah, plasma therapy. There are some hair specialists. If you get beyond this sort of corny commercial stuff and actually talk to some real experts, there's...

Baldness is entirely preventable with many of the modern-day techniques, and this field is actually growing quickly. Oh, I want to get that expert on. I may lead on you for who the expert is because I'm just fascinated by that. but I am fascinated by food and I'm trying to become not an idiot and I'm hoping although I don't make most of the choices my wife does and she cares about this as well we're making the right

choices for our kids and I agree with you by the way before I let you go because I was about to say we hope we find the politician that can can help us move in this direction do you think we have that politician look Dr. Robert Redfield former of the CDC he said RFK's on the right path with make America healthy again and I think he's now endorsed Donald Trump where are you on like RFK and and I guess Trump's approach to to health care look no one has been willing to tackle big food big ag and big pharma and talk about our food supply until now so I did testify next to RFK Jr in front of a Senate roundtable on Monday with Casey means and Callie means and we're seeing momentum we've never seen before we've got a thousand ingredients in the U.S. food supply

that are banned in Europe somebody needs to start talking about our poison food supply so there is some exciting momentum right now, and I hope it turns into some real changes because we're not headed down a good path otherwise. Well, you can keep this momentum going by checking out blind spots of the new book by Dr. Marty McCarrie. Okay, I'll eat crow. That'll be good.

Instead of just desserts, I'll eat crow, get my protein on the Baltimore Ravens this weekend, Dr. McCarrie. And I appreciate you being on the show, as always, enlightening. Thank you so much. Great to see you, well, thanks. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Dr. Marty McCair. We'll be back Monday, 12 o'clock Eastern Time for a brand new live version of the Will Kane Show. In the meantime, I hope you give us a five-star review, leave a comment, and make sure you subscribe on Apple or Spotify.

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