Will Cain Country - Trump's Immigration Comments Spark OUTRAGE (ft. Senator Markwayne Mullin)

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Story 1: Are Americans not good enough for the hard jobs? If President Donald Trump’s comments in a recent interview with FOX News’ Laura Ingraham are to be believed, then H-1B workers are the only way for us to compete. Will reacts to the interview that sent the Right into a frenzy, sharing his own thoughts on what America needs to succeed on the world stage.Story 2: Senator Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) shares his thoughts on President Trump’s comments on H-1B visa workers, sharing his own experience navigating the American economy and where he stands on the American labor debate.Story 3: Will brings in The Crew to discuss what young Americans should do to succeed in a rapidly evolving economy, before reacting to a viral clip of a passerby hurling both coins and antisemitic remarks at Barstool's Dave Portnoy.In ‘Final Takes,’ Will and The Crew react to a major Chinese bridge collapsing after a landslide, and wealthy tourists allegedly paid to travel to war torn Sarajevo in the 1990s allegedly for the purpose of ‘hunting’ civilians. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠@willcainshow⁠), Instagram (⁠@willcainshow⁠), TikTok (⁠@willcainshow⁠), and Facebook (⁠@willcainnews⁠)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My favorite kindergarten teacher and a bridge collapses in China. It is Wilcane Country, streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel on this Wednesday. What a day, what a night. What a time to be on the right. What a time for the Trump administration, arguably the worst week and arguably the

worst night for President Donald Trump. And it all seemed to come to a head in an interview with Fox News, Laura Ingram. Let's get into it with story number one. Last night, Fox News Channel, Laura Ingram, President Donald Trump. The question, legal immigration, H-1B visas, do we need to bring people from other countries, the breast and the brightest, to ensure that we can continue being at the forefront of the world's economy, at the forefront of technology. Do we need Indians and Chinese to do jobs that once were done by Americans? If you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

But you also do have to bring in talent. Well, we have plenty of talented people here. No, you don't. No, you don't. We don't have talented people here. You don't have certain talents and people have to learn. You don't have certain talent and people have to learn. You can't flood the economy with hundreds of thousands of foreign workers. On one at the wage scale, illegal immigrants taking manual labor that Americans, we're told, are too lazy and too entitled to clean houses, to mow grass, to build homes.

On the other end, Americans are too stupid and too untalented to work in IT, health care, engineering, to put a man on the moon. That's not what President Trump sounded like in 2016. H1B very well, and it's something that I frankly use, and I shouldn't be allowed to use. We shouldn't have it. Very, very bad for workers. And second of all, I think it's very important to say, well, I'm a businessman, and I have to do what I have to do and it's sitting there waiting for you, but it's very bad. It's very bad for business in terms of, it's very bad for our workers, and it's unfair for our workers, and we should end it.

What's new? What changed from 2016 to 2025? President Trump, if nothing else, has earned the benefit of the doubt. President Trump has been proven right when everyone has called him wrong. President Trump has proved prescient, insightful, ahead of the curve. President Trump is a dealmaker. He's practical. And I do believe his best interest keep in mind the future of America. But sometimes that pragmatism can be short-sighted. Sometimes that transactional nature to a deal can cause one to lose the big picture. The point of the entire interprisonable, of make America great again, because the point of the entire enterprise of collective government is to serve the interests of Americans.

That's why we have democratically elected politicians based upon the voice of the American people, not based upon the bottom line of a corporation. We are not simply a cumulative GDP, and we are not simply measured by our quality of economic life. We are a common people with common interest and common cause, with common culture, and, for better or worse, a common future. To bringing in Indian and Chinese workers make America better for existing Americans. And I think that's an open debate and an interesting question. And it's clear that today, that is the opinion of President Trump.

The administration is out today in full force. clarifying President Trump's remarks. First, Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Christy Noem on Fox and France. Under the Trump administration, we've sped up our process and added integrity to the visa programs, to green cards, to all of that, but also more people are becoming naturalized under this administration than ever before. More people are becoming citizens because we're not just streamlining and building some processes back into our immigration. policies. We're also making sure that these individuals that are coming into our country and get

that privilege, that they actually are here for the right reasons. More people are being streamlined into becoming citizens of the United States of America. Here are the numbers. There are currently 700,000 H-1B visa holders in the United States of America. That does not count family members, dependents, which you could imagine easily triples that number of immigrants here in America. 400,000 H-1B visas are roughly issued every year. If you're having trouble with the math, how do we issue 400,000 every year? But we only have a population of 700,000 in America.

It's because 65% of H-1B visas are renewals. So they come here, they stay here, which does fly in the face of Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and his proposal this morning on Fox and Friends. I think the president's vision here is to bring in overseas workers where these jobs went. Who have skills? Who have the skills, three, five, seven years to train the U.S. workers. Then they can go home.

The U.S. workers fully take over. So do you understand the concern that people have, hey, an American can have that job, why you give it to a guy from Indian China? But American can't have that job. So it's specific skills. Because we haven't built ships in the U.S. for years. We haven't built semiconductors. So this idea of overseas partners coming in, teaching American workers, then returning home, that's a home run.

If that's the way it works, Secretary Besson. But with 65% of the 400,000 H-1B visas issued on an annual basis are renewals, it makes you wonder exactly how long the average H-1B visa stay is. and whether or not these immigrants become full-time Americans and therefore take full-time jobs away from Americans. I do have some trouble with the idea that Americans are not skilled or smart enough to conduct the jobs being brought in by Indian and Chinese, and that exactly is who is being brought in. H-1B visa holders are 71% Indian, roughly 16% Chinese. And I do have some trouble with the idea that simply being born and

educated in India has somehow prepared one for a technological life far outpacing what we're able to do and educate here in America. What is it that they are doing in China? What is it that they're doing in India? That we're not doing in America. You see, President Trump earlier this week talked about the need to bring Chinese students, for example, to American universities. Here's President Trump.

You've said as many as 600,000 Chinese students could come to the United States. Why, sir, is that a pro-Maga position? When so many American kids want to go to school and there are places not for them, and these universities are getting rich off Chinese money. Sure. Never said about China, but we do have a lot of people coming in from China. We always have China and other countries. We also have a massive system of colleges and universities.

And if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business. So what? Well, I think that's a big deal. So that, what? I feel exactly like Laura Ingram. So what? So what? If the future of the American university system is depend upon the idea that you import 600,000 Chinese students every year to stay afloat, then let them die. Why? The university system in the United States of America might be the biggest fraud running in this country, an annual price that far outpaces inflation. College doubles in price it feels like every seven years. You want to go to private school in America? You want to go to TCU? Get ready to spend $80,000 a year. You want to go to a public university like Texas A&M? Get ready to spend $25,000 every year.

We're graduating Americans with STEM degrees and massive amounts of debt because of an absurd price subsidized by the federal government, loans made easy by the federal government. Third party payer always works to inflate prices from health care to college education so that they graduate not with the marketable skill, apparently, but with mountains of debt. They're debt slaves for the next 20 years of their lives. And they can't pay it off. They can't get a job because what? We're too dumb. We're not skilled enough to get the jobs that we're having to give to Indian and Chinese people coming over to take through H-1B visas. Help me make sense of this.

How are Indian and Chinese students so much smarter or better? And, hey, I don't believe in this idea that every American is the smartest person on the planet or that we're all equal. I don't believe that either. Equal opportunity, but are you a sports fan? Do I have to explain? We're not all equal. So I don't buy that stuff, but why would so many students from those countries need to come to America to get educated and yet somehow they're way better than us at getting the jobs better educated, skilled, and smart? The message that has been sent to Americans over the last several decades is enough to make you throw up your hands and quit.

We need all these illegal immigrants. We need them. You know, Americans won't do it. They won't mow lawns. They won't clean house. They won't throw up wood frames on homes. So we need illegal immigrants to do these jobs. Oh, okay. Well, I guess Americans are really moving up the economic ladder then to do other jobs. No, no, no.

Americans aren't skilled. They can't do the high-level jobs. We're not ready to build submarines and missiles and work in IT and work in health care. By the way, here are your biggest industries where they bring in H-1B visa immigrants. It's technology, engineering, health care, information technology. But we can't get those jobs. We're not ready for those jobs. Not smart.

So what are we? What do we do? We're dumb and we're lazy. We can't do any of the jobs. Has something drastically changed in the last 50 years? And by the way, some of these questions I'm asking you are genuine because maybe it has. We know the problems with our education system. But there was a time when there was a NASA control center full of men educated in America.

theoretically at least putting a man on the moon how about this at least if you question the man on the moon thing within a 10 year time frame launching rockets right john f kennedy my vision is to put a man on the moon within what was it nine years we did that did those dudes back then have a vastly different education well yes maybe they're not getting the you know feminist studies of you know basket weaving, fair. But we're not turning out some percentage of people that can take those jobs that used to do that? I'm having, and while we're talking about these sound bites that don't work for me,

it doesn't work for me, Christy Noem, to constantly pivot to terrorism. Yeah, I'm worried about terrorism too. And bringing in the people don't share the values of America. But right now, we're talking about something different. I'm not sure I need you fast-tracking H-1B visas. I'm not sure I need you streamlining bringing in immigrants from across the world to take the deaths. I'm talking about our quality of life. I'm talking about the thing we're protecting from terrorism. I'm talking about our life, our jobs, our ability to build

families. I don't need you to bring terrorism in. That's a different issue and it's important too, but it doesn't belong in this conversation. And Secretary Besson, with all due respect, can you guarantee me they're going to go home after they train us to do things somehow we've forgotten how to do? Can you ensure that to me? I get it. And I love this about President Trump. I get that he's transactional. I get that he's a deal maker. I get that he's practical. I love that he was a business owner. And I love that he admits that he used H-1B visas. I love all that. I know what he's, I don't know, but I can only imagine what he's going through here. Here are critical industries. Mr. President,

we need to make sure that we're the forefront of all these industries. Okay. And then the corporate guys come in and go, but we do have a labor deficit. We do have a knowledge skills deficit. So we're going to need to bring in all these workers from South Korea. Oh, yeah, we want to be the forefront. Within nine years, we put a man on the moon, but we can't train somebody up here? There's not people sitting there looking for jobs right now who are of quality. We don't have the talents. I didn't always hear this. You know what? I didn't hear this. I think this was a month ago. This was a month ago from Vice President J.D. Vance. This idea that American citizens don't have the talent to do great things, that you have to import

a foreign class of servants and professors to do these things. I just reject that. I actually think we invest in our own people, we can do a lot of good. And for the record, the H-1B visa program, it also hurts the immigrant. It hurts the American worker. It hurts the immigrant. It's to the benefit of the corporation. There's massive fraud in H-1B visas. You ever met an H-1B visa worker?

Do you know any? I do. You ever talk to them? You know what they are? They are, in essence, a wage slave. Because their green card is dependent upon an employer-sponsored program. They only get it when they get the job, and it's dependent upon them having that job from the employer, inherently putting them at a disadvantage on their negotiation of salary.

They can't because, hey, I can't hop jobs. I'll lose my visa. I'll lose my green card. So the corporation can depress their wage as compared to what they'd have to pay to an American worker. Fact. That's simply a fact. So these high-skill workers are somehow way better than American. but also way cheaper than Americans.

You want to hear from a guy inside of tech? Here's Palmer Lucky. Of course, there's so much H-1B of use. You would not believe what I saw when I was in Silicon Valley. It is insane. It's obviously a program to try and replace U.S. workers with basically slave labor that can't ever escape. H-1B abuse is crazy.

So my simple question for the administration today is explain this how, explain how this is America first. Explain how this serves America. And I'm here saying maybe there is an explanation. Okay? I'm not saying that as a setup to hit a piñata. But I'm telling you, this isn't what you said in the past. It's against the very instinct, I believe, of American first.

So explain how this serves Americans. We'll ask a senator of the United States of America. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, coming up next on Will Cain Country. Six weeks before his assassination, Charlie Kirk posted on X. Let's end the H-1B visa scam. The time is now. Congress needs to get a bill to the president's desk. One month before his assassination, Charlie Kirk posted on X.

This is a social compact breaking down. We need urgency to restore it. One, mass deportations. Two, stop the H-1B visa scam. Three, dramatically reduce legal immigration. Four, in-chain migration and the visa lottery. Five, build 10 million homes for Americans, and six, crush the college cartel. It is Will Cain Country streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, and you can follow us on Spotify or on Apple.

Joining us now is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. I have the helmet, Senator. It was sent to me. I got it on the desk. I appreciate it. I don't love it, but I'm willing to display it. I appreciate that, Will.

Thanks. Looks like you collected a few more about a way. Thank you for sending that to me. Yeah, you have OU or Alabama this weekend. For who? Oh, you're saying, oh, that's a good game. We're playing at OU is playing at Alabama. Yeah.

Oh, let's go. Godspeed, Senator. I think you're going to need it. So, and by the way, yeah, I got a West Virginia helmet on the way, according to Congressman Riley Moore. So, yeah, people want their pride displayed here on the desk. I got a couple things I want to talk about with you here today. Look, I'm not buttering you up. You're an honest broker.

You're a smart guy. You're also from a place where I think that your experience in life, not unlike mine, gives you a lot of exposure to some of the things happening in the American economy, what's happening to the average American worker. from standard of living to simply job prospects as well. I know you heard some of what I had to say about the H-1B visa program and that interview that President Trump gave last night and what we're hearing today from Nome and Bessent. So what are your thoughts on the H-1B visa program? Well, let's look at the job market as a whole. You know, I think I'm maybe the only senator that actually doesn't have a college degree.

However, I think financially my wife and I have done really well. We, you know, we started a plumbing company when we were 20 years old. Actually, we took over a small plumbing company, made it into a very, very successful company. Now we operate all around the country. But there is a labor shortage. It takes about a million immigrants a year just to fit our growth and projected growth. We don't have the workers. It's not that we don't have the people, not simply we just don't have the people, but if you're below 3% unemployment,

then you have about 3% of the population that's not employable because of mental health or whatever. you know, other issues that might be eling them. So we truly do have a people person when it comes to the labor market. Now, when you start talking about the H-1B visas, I got three boys in college right now, two wrestling at Oklahoma State, one wrestling at OU. There is a, there's a problem there, a huge problem there. I think the H-1B visas actually push out Americans at the universities at these high jobs because they're so competitive.

It's competitive to get into STEM program. is competitive to get into engineering programs. It's very competitive to get into any doctorate. And we should put an American first approach when it comes to that. The H-1B visas were designed to help grow these other economies, much like we allowed people to take advantage of our economy, which is what President Trump is trying to resolve. The universities now have a very competitive program

to most of these doctorate degrees. my kids, you know, that are trying to apply for it, they say it's very competitive, which is fine. Let's be competitive. But these are American universities first. And so I think we could fill those in. I think I agree with what Charlie was saying, that they have been abused. I think there's a better way to look at it. But we also need to be looking at our education system as a whole, which is what I appreciate about President Trump and McMahon going in there, Secretary McMahon going in there and saying, listen, the education apartment's not working. We were first in 1979. I think we're 36 in the country now. And by the way, the Department of

Education was stood up in 1979. And we've only went backwards since then. If we're not prepared and we're having to bring in these other individuals from India or from Asia, what is wrong with our education system we need to fix it first? And we don't have a workforce either that are those that aren't wanting to go to college. We don't have a workforce prepared for people to work after 18. And I'll just use this, for example, it's because we're in plumbing, HAC, and electric now. And we have, between me and my partners,

we have 370 locations around the country. We employ thousands of people. And just those three trades alone, I'll use plumbing, for example. The average plumber in the United States is about 48 years old. And in Oklahoma, which the cost of living is very, very low compared to, let's say, the East Coast, the average plumber makes about $120,000 a year.

That is a extremely good living for Oklahoma. Now, that also is proportionately increased when you go out to the East Coast or you go out to the West Coast. And HVAC and electricians are not far behind. I just say that because there is not ever. Everybody has to go to college, but we put it in the mindset of high school students. They've got to go to college. And when they go to college and they don't succeed, they get this failure mentality in their head. And it's hard for them to overcome that.

So we need to re-look at our immigration system. We need to re-look at our education system. And we need to look at our high schools, too, and see what type of workforce we're actually needing to keep our economy moving forward. Okay, there's a lot to go through there because, okay, I know I want to do it both. there's the H-1B legal, high-skilled thing, then there's the illegal and blue-collar work thing, okay? And I want to do both with you here for a second because I sense a disconnect that I'm having trouble making sense of. Let's start with what you have direct firsthand experience with, the HVAC electrician, the trades. So, okay, I've heard this a lot.

I'm not suggesting that means in any way I think it's wrong. it's uh i mean mike rose been on our program a ton of times talking about you know we have a labor shortage when it comes to the the the skilled trades to everything right i mean i'm assuming that's not just the skilled trades it's any manual labor blue collar job in america explain to me this senator and maybe the in conclusion of this conversation is ugly but let's get to the ugly truth let's just get to it if it's there but we have to get to the truth when i was a kid senator You and I grew up, I think, four hours apart from each other, right? I grew up in North Texas.

You grew up in eastern Oklahoma. Right. When I grew up, everybody's house cleaner was American, okay? Everybody's landscaper, the guy that cuts your grass, was American. Okay? And I'm not talking about race. It's not white. It's not Latino, although there's going to be overlap here when I get to this.

Now, there are none. There are none. everybody's house cleaner is an immigrant probably illegal but people don't ask they just know it's cheaper and the same thing with the people that cut their grass and their landscaping so that's a blue collar job by the way that is gone from americans why why is that gone from americans well so i'll unpack that for you first of all when you and i were growing up not everybody had a house cleaner um it was very it was very different you had more traditional family uh people you know kids mowed the yards. The sports programs were quite different. Instead of playing sports

year-round and during the summer, kids mowed their kids, their parents' yards. They didn't practice till late in the evening. I'm just, I mean, because I've got six kids that's grown up in the system, very much different situation. You had, you did, and so now, you know, with technology, it's made us a lot busier, not easier. And so people do hire more people to clean their houses. People do hire more people to mow the yards. Okay. It's not, and then at the same time, our birth rate has went down, and our labor increase has, and our labor need has increased in every one of these areas. I'll use UAE, for example. UAE has one million UAE citizens. They have eight million immigrants, because that's what it takes to keep their

economy moving forward in things building. So you have UAE, a lot of UAE citizens that hire immigrants. Right now you have a lot of your house cleaners or companies are owned by Americans, but they employ immigrants. Yes. Okay, the math on that makes sense. But where did those people go? Okay. So the people that used to have landscaping companies or were out in the yard, to the extent that they didn't do it themselves, if they did hire somebody or they did hire somebody to clean their house, where are those people on in the economy? That's what I'm asking you today. Are they unemployed? Are they old and dead? Yeah. So will most of them are owners or managers of larger companies.

That's where most of them have went to. If you pull up to a job site, you'll have a framer, you'll have masonaries, you'll have roofers, you'll have sheet rockers, you'll have mud and tapers, you'll have all that. The owner will be a citizen, and a lot of his labor will be immigrant workforce. Because that's just the growth or the pace of growth

that our economy is going through right now, the pace that it's been going through for the last 20 years has not been able to keep up with the labor force or the or the or as I said or the birth rate there has been a huge gap between it and and that's and so these individuals that you're talking about that was cleaning the houses have become owners and managers now they're not doing the actual labor work well so so we so to be clear and I'm asking you this genuinely we don't have a problem in middle America of unemployment then on on these types of jobs we don't have an unemployment problem when it comes to blue-collar manual labor trades.

We don't have that. In fact, we have the opposite. We can't get enough of them. Well, we need to bring them in because we can't get them enough. In the middle of America, yes. So I was in Oregon last weekend doing, I mean, did you believe it, I got, as a Republican, I got invited to go down there and speak to the trades, the union trades, plus do a Reagan day dinner and stuff.

And it was huge, huge turnout for people. But the laborers there was much different. They said that Oregon is actually killing their trades because they can't build anything because of regulations that the state has put on them. And so it's just they can't build the bridges. They can't get permits to build the roads. They can't get permits to build the buildings anymore. So they're actually hurting. Their trade unions have people setting.

It's not that the work's not there. They can't get it permitted. But you take a normal state that actually is pro-growth. There isn't a work area problem. it is a labor shortage. So there isn't a company out there that's not trying to hire. We have hundreds of job openings across the United States inside our companies. And you'd go to any trade, and they're doing the same thing.

You go to any job site. The job site's being slowed down because they can't get enough people to show up to work because the labor force just isn't there right now. But like I said, if you go to a state as unemployment below 3%, that is considered fully employed. Okay. So let's just keep going on the math. Okay, so the argument here is that we don't have an unemployment problem when it comes to manual labor to blue-collar jobs.

In fact, we have a labor shortage, and that's why we need immigrants to come in. And let's be honest, a lot of that is illegal immigration filling those jobs. In some of the trade, in the trades like plumbing. But it is. Yeah, but not in plumbing electrical and HVAC because there's so many license. If you want to cut out the illegal immigrations, require these trades to be licensed. through the state like we are like the plumbing electrical and hacc you have to have an apprentice license before you can get a german license before you can get a contractor's license right so you have to be

licensed now some of these other non-licensed trades yes probably so but not in the license trades it's it's impossible yeah i got it okay so then then i think the argument is that americans are not chasing those jobs as you point out it's what microse says americans are chasing a different kind of job and they're running off to college they're running off to get these degrees, right? And apparently the American university system is so good that Indians and Chinese and everybody else got to come here to get educated. Now, I'm willing to accept there's a problem in K through 12, right, that there's some education problems there. And maybe the American students are behind the eight ball a bit. I don't know. Then the Indians and Chinese that are coming to

USC. But they're there with them. And then they graduate with their STEM degrees. And I believe, I don't have the stats in front of me, Senator. We have an underemployment problem. in the STEM careers. So American college students now, saddled with a ton of debt going to increasingly expensive colleges, absurdly expensive colleges, all of these on my desk, absurd. Absurdly expensive colleges, can't get degrees, but yet we're told, oh, well, no, the people that came over here to get educated, they're from India and China, they're the skilled guys. We got to have them. We got to give them the visas to stay because they're the ones that actually get the job. And it puts Americans in this trap. We're in this, whoa, wait a minute. There's

no jobs, or there's, I didn't choose to do this. There's so many jobs in blue collar. I went white collar, but over here in white collar, the jobs go to someone else as well from another country. I don't disagree with that. As I said, my boys that are in college right now, my girls will be following pretty quick. These programs, these higher education programs, they're very, very competitive to get into. What's frustrating to me, though, is that with a lot of these kids that are, these students that have these student visas that were educating, not only educating them, but then they, which competes for Americans that are going to those colleges and some of these competitive programs, but after we, we train them, then they leave

and go back to their, to their respected countries. We got to take an American first approach to that. H-1 visas, H-1B visas aren't just sometimes causing the prices to go up, which I think they really do because when it's competitive to get into it, to begin with, and so many are taken up by foreign individuals, then they can just basically name their price. So we need to be taking a look at how many Americans aren't allowed to get into these programs because the H-1B visas are taking them. It's not, there's not applications. I promise you, Americans are filling those applications out to get ready. And to say you're not prepared to go there after high school. Okay, maybe that's correct. But then the universities get to have the opportunity to bring these

kids up to where they're at because it's not that our brains don't work better. Maybe our school didn't educate us in the area we want to go to, but isn't that what education is for? Isn't that what the college they're for to prepare them to get ready for that higher education? I mean, what is the first four years of college for if they're not preparing you to be ready for the doctor program that you're trying to go into? But because they're highly competitive, because we're allowing so many foreign students to enter in them, we're pushing out the Americans. And I think that's where we really need to start taking a look at is what percentages of Americans aren't been accepted these higher education programs?

Yeah. I don't know. I think I don't ever question, I don't question the motives of President Trump. I know what he's, I think I know exactly what he's thinking when he talks about. We need these people to come in, train American workers, and do these jobs. But I do think there has to be a question about whether or not there is another path, a path that brings Americans along. Maybe this is the path that brings Americans along. but um it's like i agree with vance quite honestly the clip i just played from vans i just don't buy

that americans aren't good enough to do these jobs and if we aren't good enough then to hell with these colleges that charge 80,000 dollars a year what are we doing there what are we getting degrees in you know then they then they should be sued for fraud sue them for fraud if they're going to charge 80,000 dollars for feminist degrees or whatever it may be that um that keeps you unprepared for life and ability to compete then they're just they're just stealing from people. And by the way, getting government loans to continue the steal. Well, once again, I'm dealing with this as we speak. So let's talk about a four-year degree. A four-year degree is supposed to be a four-year degree. Consider it to be a full-time student,

according to NCAA sports regulations, you've got to do 12 hours, continue 12 hours. So that's considered a full-time student per semester. My son, who's been wrestling, he's done 14 hours per semester. He's a junior right now. He went in to see his counselor just to days ago and they said for him to get his degree that he's looking for, which is an ag degree. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's an ag marketing degree. Um, it's he has two and a half more years, even though he's been a full and full time student the whole time. He called me and he said, dad, I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to stay here for two and a half more years, because that's five and a half years of college essentially for him to go through to get a four,

it's a four year degree. Yeah. So it's frustrating. But you go back in what, what J.D. said, vice president. He's absolutely correct. Americans are plenty smart enough to build a do this. Once I go back to what I was saying, a lot of our kids that are trying to get in these programs are being pushed out because of these H-1B visas or these student visas that's turned into H-1B visas. What the President Trump is looking at, because I've spoke to him about this in linked, but I'm not trying to speak for the president. He's like, listen, today we have an issue. And to keep our economy growing at a 3% GDP and over, we don't have the workforce prepared to do it now. So let's bring people in temporarily, and I believe that

temporarily, to be able to get it to where we need to go tomorrow because we don't have five years to rebuild what has been runned by these politicians. And because that's, I mean, career politicians is what's been running the country. He's came in and mixed that whole mold up. He sees what needs to happen, but he's looking for tomorrow to build to get to the future. And that's what a business guy does. And so, he's looking from a business perspective, but it's not a, it's not a sustainable 10-year program. It's a five-and-tenure program. It's kind of like our shipyards. We have, we have lost a skilled trade. We still have a skilled trade, but these guys are in their 50s now, and there's a

gap between 50-year-olds that doesn't have a skilled trade to be able to build the ships in the masses numbers that we have to have. So we're looking at starting these shipyards. Well, we've exported all of our shipbuilding to Korea. And so we're saying, okay, now we're going to have to have a shipyard back in, but we're going to bring Korean employees to build, to work alongside American employees to get our skill labor built for us to build a do it ourselves, because guess who taught Koreans how to build ships? We did. And then after we built them, that's so weird. And now they've got to train us. I know. I can't. We taught them, now we need them to train us. I know. Yeah. But this is what happened when we started exporting all

of our jobs, and we had leadership in the White House that did nothing about it. This is what President Trump made a staple about in 2017, and he's carrying off that vision now in 2025, and he sees a plan. He has a plan to get to where we need to go, and it's unfortunately true. Our middle class has been lost because we've allowed our middle class to be shipped overseas. We've shipped trillions of dollars overseas with manufacturing. We've allowed. it to be built for us to rebuy it to ship the dollars back out at the same time our middle class is dissipated because we wasn't paying attention because of regulations or whatever purpose it was that push manufacturing out it wasn't just labor because if labor was just the

problem then we could offset the difference in the labor at the cost it is to ship product out and ship it back in and what president trump is doing with the tariffs is leveling that playing field i'm fired up so don't go anywhere i want to continue this conversation about H-1B visas when we come back on Wilcane country? Listen, I think that was a very good, honest explanation. I really do. Okay, I'll make a deal with you. You get three-year H-1B, three, and then they got to go.

And then they've got to go. And if they can't train them in three years, maybe one of these $80,000 colleges, maybe one of these $80,000 colleges can invest in a shipbuilding major. Less and not be valuable. Let's negotiate and say four years, because an apprenticeship program is four years before he become a German. I'm going to think about it. Not a deal yet. I'm going to think about it. Should I start at five years and then we meet in the middle at four?

President's gone in three years, Senator. And so unless J.D. Vance becomes president. I'm afraid of what it looks like afterwards. All right. Speaking of that, let me ask you about your body in the Senate. So Harry, He's gotten to be a pretty funny data analyst over on CNN. He was talking about the Senate Minority Leader. He was talking about Chuck Schumer. Watch. His own party, he's underwater. He's at minus four points.

That makes him the least popular guy for a Dem Senate leader going all the way back since the mid-1980s, at least. I think he did a Charles Barkley impression as well. He said, terrible, terrible, terrible for Senator Schumer. By the way, do you think it's a, Senator Schumer's in a weird position here because, look, I think he's responsible for the shutdown. The Dems are mad that there's no longer a shutdown. The base is mad. There's reporting today, Schumer actually extended the shutdown. He kept the coalition together for an extra, what was it, two or three weeks.

They wanted to fold two weeks ago, these eight Democrats. They wanted to fold two weeks ago, and he held them together. And now, I mean, he's a zombie. He's a dead man walking inside the Democrat Party. Actually, it was 13. I was part of those negotiations. They had agreed to reopen the government. Sorry about that.

They had agreed to reopen the government after no King's Day or no King's rally. And Schumer said we can't do it now. Our base is all stirred up. Let's wait two more weeks. After the election, we will allow you to, I'll take the handcuffs off. That was quote, what they said at my house in Washington, D.C. they were sitting around my table and they said after after the election they'll let they'll let us go vote dick durbin wanted to break last week number two he's the number two senate leader in leadership and

democrat in the senate um they had said that schumer had told them look just go after the election we don't want our base to be frustrated at us we need them to turn out let them vote after they do that i'm going to vote no but you guys go vote how you want to when after the election on tuesday you know when Mandami was elected communist mayor of New York, they came back and with all these ridiculous demands. Those 13 individuals were very upset because we were supposed to open the government on that Thursday. They didn't.

The pressure became so big that even Tim Kane, who said, I have 350,000 federal employees, I'm voting with him. He wasn't actually part of that 13. He became part of the eight. And actually what Tim did is he brought, he gave everybody the excuse to vote with us. when he said it's our federal employees at this point, even though Tim and I have had publicly difference of opinions on a lot of hearings, he was the one that actually had a point of reason that he started representing a state rather than align Chuck Schumer to make those decisions.

Now, through this whole process, we never negotiated with Chuck Schumer's office. It was irrational. He was making political decisions when everybody was trying to make policy decisions. We were actually talking to Keem Jeffrey's office more than we were the Democrat leader Chuck Schumer's office. What's happened is he's making political decisions because he's afraid of his next election. And it's not because of AOC. Even though AOC will beat him in 2028, it's about madame running against him in 2028. Remember, he can't run for president because he just became a nationalized citizen in 2018. So he can never run for president. But he can't run for president. But he can run for Senate. And when you start looking at AOC, she's probably eyeing a vice president ticket

with Bernie Sanders because Bernie Sanders right now leads the polls as the likely presidential candidate in 2028 because this extreme base that Bernie Sanders has been building that the Democrats now are listening to, which has drove them off the cliff, which is why they had the lowest rating in Democrat history since it's been polled right now because they're being led by this socialist movement. So you're telling me two follow-ups. I'm sure you're not going to tell me, but there was 13 Democrats that wanted to break ranks.

Ultimately, only eight did. Tim Kane was one of the eight and not one of the original 13. So math, six Democrats, what, went from being reasonable to irrational there in the last week? No, they moved into the vote no hope, yes, caucus. There's a lot of people that do that. They vote no, because they're scattered their base, but they really want it to be open, so they hope yes. And that is very, very common for... So they looked over there and go, they don't need my vote.

They go, thank God, Tim's going to vote. Now I don't have to. That's what they do. You know, the two of them that said yes, that had voted with us in the past were the two senators from Georgia, that had, and I'm not going to name the rest of them. Those two just make me the, that upset me the most. because they had said that they had voted, they were going to vote with us. Plus, they had voted with us on the past throughout this whole negotiating process on different bills. And they were, they were, they were, M.I. during the final vote.

Oh, wow, yeah. Awesome and Warnock, you're right. I forgot about it. They were always yeses. And then to last minute, they get to say no so they can placate the base. They're going to, politically, they're both going to, they're both going to, they'll play that both ways in Georgia. when they're running for office against Derek Dooley or whoever else is running a Republican ticket. Yeah, we voted to pay essential employees because they never voted on us with the CR, but they voted to pay essential employees.

They voted to for the CR, not for the CR, but for Ron Johnson's bill to reopen the government for essential programs. They paid, they voted to fund the military, but they voted no to reopen the government every time. So in your prediction, just to be clear, Senator, is that Schumer's not running afraid of AOC because she's going to take a vice presidential. She's eyeing a vice presidential nomination, but Schumer's now afraid of Mom Dani running for Senate? Absolutely. Listen, he didn't become, I don't know what's going on my throat, my throat. He didn't become that schooled in his answers overnight. He was a city council member.

As he went on, he started talking like Obama. The Democrats rushed to him, and they started schooling him on how to answer his questions. Now, his cadence isn't like Obama. He's a lot more relaxed, but he started taking on that Obama error, you know, where I'm playing basketball. I'm cool. Where I smoke a cigarette every now and then. I'm cool. Started showing up at clubs and acting like he's, you know, he belongs there.

The way he handled his rally, the young people that were there, the way he could answer, well, yeah, I was for it, but I'm not for that now. If you look at him, the Democrat Party rushed to him as a leader, but they can never make him into the president. The highest office he can hold is Senate. That's the highest office he can hold. His plans, even the Democrats know that a communist trying to put in, you know, I don't know what they call these individuals to replace the police.

What is it they're trying to do? They're not community. Social workers? Yeah, I don't know. what they're doing anyways and trying to make all grocery stores free and you know trying to take away public property and taxing the billionaires to an sort of amount they know that can't work but he can't do it in four years but he complain about it he can complain why he can't get it done in four years and but it's two years and he's out so he starts running for senate and a year

and a half for now and and i think he runs against chuck schumer Wow. All right. Isn't it funny, by the way? I said you and I are from about four hours apart, like we're neighbors. And in the Northeast, if you're four hours apart, you'd cross five different cultures, you know, maybe a time zone or two. Out here in the hinterlands, that's like, oh, it's an easy Saturday drive. He's four hours north.

I was going to looking about that. All right, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Thanks for your time and your explanations today. Appreciate it. All right. Thanks, Will. Bye. Okay.

Uh, by the way, I want to hit up some of your comments here today, uh, Senator, I don't think you'll mind. Senator Mullen said, wow, you're fired up. He texted me, wow, you're fired up today right before he jumped on. Uh, so let's see what the people have to say. Ross Feastfeld says, why don't we send Americans to the countries we need to learn from? Interesting, Ross. Here's a question for you, Ross. Okay. If the Indians and the Chinese are so much better at K through 12, right? But presumably not in college because they come over here to get their college degrees and then take the high jobs. So they're really getting their advantage in the K through 12.

Why don't we head on over to Mumbai and get some K through 12 education? And my question for you is, what do you think India would say to that? They'd be like, yeah, come on over. No doubt about it, no problem. Jump on into this math class. Rick Dolan says, where's the Iowa helmet? Don't have one, Rick. Don't have one.

Never even been offered one. I'm going to be honest, Rick, and no offense, never even thought about one. George Bethel. Yes, he did. Rearranged the helmets. Who did what? Dan? What about the helmets?

What did I do? Someone asked if you rearrange the helmets first, and then this person was saying, yes, he actually did. They're fascinated by you rearranging in what orders. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, it's kind of random. Dean did it today. And then I made sure OU was a little more prominent because of the senator. Windmix says corporate companies demand everyone have a degree, true.

The helmets, Thomas Edward Brady says, the helmets look like Will is about to pick a school on signing day. It's so true, Thomas. Let's just for a minute pretend. I'm a five-star quarterback. I'm not greedy. Just top five in the country, not number one. And this is who I'm thinking about, you know?

Who would you pick? Who would you go to, right? Obviously, I'm a homer. Without UT. Yeah, I mean, let's do it. Okay, so we'll take this out, right? I've always wanted to do this. Do the apps.

And maybe A&M. And like, oh. Take A&M out? I don't, uh, um, okay, where would I go? Like out of Texas, out of Texas. Um, you want to take me out of Texas? Uh, maybe. Uh, yeah, because I am going to lean.

Yeah. I'm going to lean heavily. Well, um, um, not, not Notre Dame. You like how the kids put it on and go, no, no, no, I'm not going to Notre Dame. It's not my culture, man. Yeah, yeah, the North isn't my culture, right? I mean, it's just, I don't know, it's not, it's nothing, I'm not, not good or bad.

I'm just saying, like, at this point in my life, I know, I know my culture. By the way, South Florida, not my culture. Interesting. It's just not. So Miami's out. Yeah. So here we go. And I'm going to leave these Texas schools in.

Okay, I'm not going to Oklahoma. That's just how it is. I do think this would be pretty fun going to A&M. I actually, the stuff that you make fun of them for is the stuff I admire about them. That's the same thing with the Eagles. My hate is the same as my love. You know, I love your passion and your weirdness. What do you got, music going?

Drum roll. I'm going to tell you where I go, and I'm a little bit of a homer. I know which one I'm going to pick, okay? I've been around the head coach. I like the head coach. I hear great things about the program. I am going to spend, I'm taking my talents to South Carolina. I would pick Clemson, I think.

Really? I think I would. I wanted to play baseball there my whole life. That was my number one thing I wanted to go. I got Miller, who went to TCU over here, very upset. Yeah, TCU is stuck right now in 8 and 5. And am I the guy that can get them to 10 and 2? I don't know.

I need a little more high-flying prospects. I say something, and I don't want to offend Miller and Ellie, who went there, but the horn frogs, you know, it's a little. You don't like that? You don't like that? Oh, I like it. Sorry, guys, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Horn frog?

I'm just kidding. It satisfies, look, you, look, Sooners, good. Aggies, good. Horn frogs, good. Hurricanes, good. Longhorns, good. fighting Irish, good. Do you see what they have that maybe these three do not?

SMU, Texas, and Auburn? Unique to who they are. To where they're from. That's what I like. I just don't need more lions, tigers, and bears. You know, Mustangs is actually pretty good. It's pretty regional. And not everybody not everybody's a Mustang, actually.

But, like, there's just too many tigers. There's just too many bears. Like, what does a tiger have to do with Alabama or South Carolina, right? What does it have to do with it? What does it have to do with LSU? Well, they have the whole war eagle thing. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Yeah, I like that Auburn has the double thing going. I don't like the elephant in Alabama, the roll tide. I find that, I know what it means and where it came from, but I just find it so random. I don't. What is it? Why is there an elephant? It's because one of the old coaches said all the fans when they're rolling in looked like a rolling tide of elephants.

By the way, Fred Campbell says, U.S. students have been directed into degrees that won't pay. The local radio guy said he met a young man with a master's degree in puppetry. Come on. They don't offer a degree. Come on. They don't offer a master's degree in puppetry, much less a degree. Come on.

Find that college. Fred, the show's not over. In fact, the third segment's going to be fire because I got a lot of things to say about what happened to Dave Portnoy. So I don't want you to go anywhere. So you have some time, Fred. Where are they offering a master's in puppetry? We answer that when we come back on Wilcane Country. I got your answer.

Where do you get a master's degree in puppetry? It is Wilcane Country streaming live at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel. The Fox News Facebook page where we are, both locations, Monday through Thursday, 12 o'clock Eastern Time live. You know that, if you're watching right now, and you're in the comments section, like Justin Moore, who says, I appreciate Will expressing our concern about the H-1B situation. You know, Justin, I like the center saying I'm fired. I legitimately am fired up. So yesterday, let's bring in Dan and tinfoil Pat.

Like yesterday with this conversation about the system, and the right is leaning into a bit of victimhood about the system. And Pat, I didn't say that part yesterday, but I do feel like you're kind of indulging a little bit of victimhood. like just do some jocco things and take control of your own choices and let the chips fall where they may and if you succeed you succeed if you fail you'll fail but you feel better and the victim the system blaming I just feel like it's too much victimhood that's just how I feel dude I just do but I think I'm fired up I think I'm fired up because this is a broken system like and I'm not in it it has nothing do with me. This is BS

and some of it is based upon bad choices, okay? Individual bad choices. Because I'm going to be real with every college kid. What you go get educated in matters a ton. Simply getting a college degree is not

good enough. It's just not good enough. And so it matters what you choose to study. What you choose to become an expert in. Well, I don't, I mean, you know what, man? Some people go to war at 18. I get it.

I get it. It's young. I totally get it. Taking out loans. I don't put that on, I say it's my kids. I don't think you have to know what you want to do for the rest of your life when you're 18 and you start college. But how about this, Dan? You might know getting a master's in puppetry ain't going to be the best thing for you getting a high-skilled job.

You're crazy. You might know that. You're crazy. And by the way, the answer? You has a great circus program. who i didn't think about that but they don't do puppetry in the circus pat they don't do it not anymore not like they used to yeah we did have the circus we have circus tents you know hold nine yards she's bring back the circus including by the way the the whole thing that's

socially inappropriate now bring back the bearded lady there's a huge labor force of bearded ladies right now looking for jobs and the circus could be their answer No, it's true. I want to see the world's smallest man. I want to see the world's smallest. Do you not want to see the world's smallest man? When did we decide? And by the way, the world's smallest man and the world's tallest lady. They chose to be in the circus.

And then we all decided that's not cool. Everybody's just gawking at them. And the animal abuse is not cool. Well, I didn't say anything about beaten elephants. I didn't say anything about that. I did. I'm just saying that you put the bearded lady in the world. world's smallest man out of a job.

That's what you did. You did it with your, you did, Dan, with your empathy. Too woke. You know? If we could get a visa for them. I'm not. Care too much about people.

Care too much about people. It's terrible. Get some immigrant bearded ladies in here. Terrible to care. We don't need to import them, Pat. We are the world's exporter of bearded ladies. We are the leading industry. Oh, no.

I promise you. Douglas Murray writes about it. We are exporting wokeism. This is our major. This is what we've mastered. We have masters in puppetry and bearded ladies while the Indians and the Chinese are building submarines that we want to train them to do. So they come here to learn how to be bearded ladies. That's what's going on in America.

The answer is, Yukon, the University of Connecticut, offers, give me the language. It is a master's of arts, both a master's of arts and a master's of arts and a master's of finance. art. Yeah, Connecticut. In puppetry. Let's go. That's my state. Just churning out the subbuilders.

We have Yale and puppets. Gosh. It's a real thing. So I think it was Fred that jumped in, said that. By the way, Thomas Ever Brady jumps in. He says, how many push-ups can Will do in a row? First of all, Thomas, why are you thinking about that right now? Yeah, I don't know.

What did that had to do with, am I looking good or? bad is i feel self-conscious i just wanted to throw that end to throw you off and i have a question for you what is a lot of push-ups in a row what is a lot 30 what is the marker you think doing 30 in a row puts you what top 10% a lot yeah top top top top 5% i did crossfit i did crossfit for a while you know you do the push-up challenge like what do people do in your classes that was a huge thing I'll tell you this, if you do 30 pushups in a row, and I know a lot of guys like the Secretary of War, who talk about doing 50 to 100 in a row, and I do think there's a great variation in the quality of push-up. There's a great variation of what people call a push-up, and I'm not, my form is not pretty, but I will tell you this, they are burning at 30. They're burning.

I could do, I could do 30, I could do more than 30, not a lot more, and they are burning. They're burning it, you know, 30, 31 to 35, guarantee. Yep. And I don't know. Is that a lot or is that not a lot? It's a lot. Not for a Navy SEAL. Suzanne says, did Will just say breast and brightest?

And Sarah says, I think so, Suzanne. And the answer is, I did. I heard it when it came out of my mouth. I said breast and brightest. And I don't know what's telling you. I thought about leaning into it in the moment and stopping down. But on the other hand, I was kind of rolling. and I was like, I'm just going to keep this train going down the tracks.

Freudian slip. But I definitely said, breast, rest, this is in brightest. I mean, if we're going to import people. All right. Yeah, I'm with you, Pat. Bring in the breast and the brightest. I think Trump would be on, you know, that, by the way. Trump would be all in on that.

That would be his slogan for it. Let's, uh, this is a. big pre-show debate. Dave Portnoy, I believe he's doing a one-bite pizza review in Mississippi. Starkville? Was it Starkville for Mississippi State game? Yep. And this happened to Dave Portnoy. Hey, the Jews. Oh, it's not cool. Why are you here, buddy? Oh my gosh.

So the guy, if you couldn't hear it well, while Dave was doing it, says F the Jews to Dave Portnoy. Obviously, abhorrent, terrible, anti-Semitic. The reports were also that he threw coins at Dave. You could hear it. I mean, I'm going to, I couldn't hear it. You could? Yeah.

It's at the beginning of the clip. Let me bump it up. Let me bump it up. Yeah. You hear him right all around. Hey, it's the Jews. It sounds different in the monitor.

I think it's because you're bleeping out the F, so I can't. It's messing up the audio. So, okay, so this is a big debate that we had pre-show. And Dan, I don't know. I don't know where you are. You always say you're just. You always say you're just being devil's advocate. I have no convictions.

I'm a nihilist. I heard a little bit of belief this morning. I had a knee-jerk reaction. The guy that did that... Sorry. The guy that did that has been arrested. He's been arrested for disturbing the peace. And I'm here to tell you that doesn't happen in America.

That's not American. That's not right. That is a violation of free speech. That guy is not right. You see, that's not my choice. My choice is an endorsement or arrest. That's not what it is in America. And it's never been in it's elementary.

And you blew my mind this morning, Dan, because to me, it's elementary. We don't have hate speech in America. Legally, that doesn't mean there is such a thing as like, that is hateful speech. What that guy said. Yes, that is hateful and abhorrent and condemnable and all of those things. but it does not equal jail it does not equal arrest now the quote unquote

throwing pennies at Dave well my question for you was the way that's characterized if he hit Dave with pennies then he should be charged with battery right that would be battery not assault I believe I'm not sure

but he tossed coins at Dave at the ground and so that's not assault not battery like a racial slur essentially doing that well it was anti-Semitic Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I mean, yes. And, but it's not illegal to be anti-Semitic. Yeah, no. It's not illegal to be racist. It's not illegal to say racist things or say hateful things. Now, I don't think a lot of people listening are falling into this, you know, the left tortures what I just said to say, will supports. Will, come on. No.

Come on. I don't think that. There was a time in America when this wasn't so hard to do. We literally, Patrick remember this, we literally had a case of Nazis, Nazis, self-avowed Nazi supporters in America that needed a permit, wanted a permit, to march through a city, I believe it was in the Midwest or Illinois, and the city denied them the permit for the march. That went to the Supreme Court of the United States, and the Supreme Court said, you have to permit the Nazis. And of course, that isn't because the Supreme Court endorses Nazism. It's because we live in a country where we hate what you have to say, but we'll defend to our death the right for you to say it. That's what it is.

And, you know, Dan, you're like, but it's hate speech. We don't have hate speech in America. They have it in Canada. They have it in the UK. And if you want to live in a society where they have that, the world is your oyster. This is the one place where we don't have it. And there's a reason we don't have it. The reason is who is in charge of deciding.

what is hateful. Who is in charge of deciding what is jailworthy? It may seem obvious to you. It always is to each of us as individuals. Well, that's way over the line. But, look, we just lived through an administration that criminal censored, and I think was well on the way to criminalizing, misinformation and disinformation. Defined by who? Right? Antisemitism is bad and anti-Semitism on the rise. And by the way, right now, everybody's pushing real hard, highlighting and saying, but that doesn't make anti-Semitism illegal. And if you said that it should be illegal, I would ask you, draw the law, draw the line. Right? What if he had said, not if the Jews, Dan, what if he had said, F Israel? But, but you said... Would that be hate speech? But you said in our debate,

speech leading to violence is, should be prosecuted. in our in the last time we're talking okay let's just take that for a moment before i explain that any further let's just take that from and you think this qualifies as that speech leading to violence well yeah there's violence against jewish people all the time every day i know people that have had it happen in them recently so this guy who says this thing is committing speech that leads to violence yeah f the jews yeah i would say so what violence someone else's violence? Yes, exactly. So I

say something and somebody else acts a certain way. I say something and someone else acts a certain way, I'm responsible for their behavior. So if Newsom says something and Tyler Robinson acts a certain way, you know what I'm saying? It's a little bit the same thing.

No one's prosecuting Newsom for saying fascism. I know. And going back... For calling the right wing fascism or Nazis. No, he's prosecuting him or calling for that. Well, I mean, but going back to what I said, I did have a knee-jerk reaction to it. I don't, going back, and I don't think he should be put in jail, but I just think about him, like, how could there be nothing that could be done about it?

You know what I mean? If you go around every day and you're a Jewish person, and that happens to you all the time, I know it's the empathetic side of me. There's a lot of things. But should they lose their job? There's a lot of things that can be done about it. That's the other thing. Should this kid, like, lose a job or get kicked out of school?

because it's a private business or whatever. Exactly. That's up to the employer. Which I would back. And so you can expose, you can shame, you can highlight. That's kind of what I was saying. But you can't jail. Exactly.

You were talking literally about against the law going to jail. And I agree with you now. I see your point. But I think something should be done about it. So back to the, the limits on Americans feast free service. speech were off the top of my head obscenity and Patrick you point out that one's been blown out of the water I don't I don't think there's any line on obscenity anymore it's basically down to child porn it's basically down to child porn I'm not even sure there's there's anything else

tip or glory I say that because there was a time in America there was a time in America we had serious debates about the definition of obscenity right like hostile magazine oh the night that's the people versus Larry Flint right that's what that is that's yeah that's that's that's the those cases i don't know porn until i see it or no no it's not it's not about yeah but like it's also like tipper gore and like you know going after the music industry and all that kind of stuff pmrc i believe yes correct all the way through the 1990s right and then direct incitement to violence and that's the famous it's in the 1969 brandon bird case it's a direct incitement to violence and the standard is your words have to lead to immediate action and

they have to be specific and a call to action. So if that kid said, and he doesn't even have to use the word Jew, if he simply said, there's Dave Portnoy, let's all go and whatever, beat the hell out of them. And three or four people go, yeah, and they go do it, now that guy is criminally liable. Now he is. This is what they tried to go after President Trump for on January 6th, but there was no direct incitement to violence. He never said anything that led to a direct actionable thing, or nor was he specific enough, which you have to be. Hey, guys, let's storm the Capitol. Go take them down and drag out Mike Pence. That's literally what it would have to be to be an infringement on the first amendment, to be someone to infringe the first amendment.

What are you worried about that being clipped, Patrick? I'm just glad they don't watch our show But you do call for people being held accountable for their rhetoric Leading to violence Like you were calling Well, accountability is a big To held accountable for his part in What Tyler Robinson did

Because I think Gavin Newsom shouldn't hold any higher office And I don't think he should hold the office that he has But not arrested obviously The voter should condemn him for it and hold Yeah Obviously yeah obviously but there is accountability for what you say i mean eff around and find out i mean yeah you know that was kind of my point i didn't really mean throw him in jail that kind of thing

but there just has to be something to be done about it whether it be a job school whatever i mean you can you can say whatever you want but yeah doesn't mean there's no consequences well then we have debates about what those consequences are now we're in the world of of judgment and wisdom and what's the appropriate consequence for inappropriate behavior, you know, where in society do we have forgiveness? This is the constant debate we've had in sports, right? Josh Allen tweets lyrics to a song or lines from, I believe it was modern family when he's 14 years old, do you hold him accountable when he's 22 and going into the NFL draft?

Sure. Right? This is the kind of thing we did for seven years. What kind of accountability is appropriate for certain given situations? And that's where we started talking about cancel culture and things like that. But anyway, I'm sorry that Dave had to deal with that. I'm sorry that anyone in the world has to deal with that kind of stuff. That is condemnable.

It's anti-Semitic. That guy should be ashamed. And that's the end. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe there's a little more accountability in his private life, but that's the end of it publicly. That's the end of it legally, certainly. That's who we are in America. All right.

Before we go today, let's do a quick trip around the world with final takes. Tenfoil. our first trip is to china china okay jana where a they just built a bridge in a major place near a i guess a hydro power dam or something like that and uh the bridge just opened a couple months ago and already collapsed i believe we have the headline there uh major chinese bridge collapses into river just months after opening to traffic luckily no one was on it it was in the shuan province and it just cracked and fell right on in i don't know where that is goes for labor force like a few months ago is this is this the bridge a few months ago we

saw like as a as a technological marvel oh god it was not the same bridge huge oh it's not the same bridge going over this huge valley yeah i was a little worried that it might be but if i were somebody wouldn't you want to be a little you be a little concerned if you're eating and on that restaurant on the roof or the top of the building the bridge there right? Oh yeah. Yes. And so I think you kind of made this joke.

These are the guys that we need to make sure we bring in under H-1B visas because they're technological marvels and engineering geniuses to take all the jobs of Americans. Let's go. This is this is what we're doing? Come on in. To be fair, at least they built the thing. I mean, like, you know, we had that one in Baltimore fall down and we have a

fall down and we haven't done anything. Well, Patrick, I can build a tinker toy bridge right here with this afternoon. That doesn't make me a genius. Yeah. Like, just because they built it, it falls within two months. I'm not sure how much credit you give them. I don't care how long it takes. I want it to stand, you know?

Yeah. All right. Well, better let next time, China. What else you got, Patrick? This also came out. Allegedly, back in the 1990s, the super rich were paying to go into Serra Nuevo, or Sarajevo, which is like to believe in Yugoslavia, it's a part of Yugoslavia. Sarajevo.

Sarajevo. Sarajevo? I don't know. Anyway, it's when Yugoslavia was falling apart in the 90s. In the 90s, I corrected it. The super rich were allegedly hunting humans. They were paying to hunt humans. The most dangerous game, baby.

Back in the 90s. Then they would, like, these snipers would come in, and, you know, it was fair game because it was a civil war going on at the time. Come on. That is crazy. It says including kids in that headline, the headline. Yes. Yeah.

Wow. And we found out. Like super rich from across the world? The super rich from across the world were going in to do this, like it was a tourist thing? They were claiming that it was Germans, French, English, people from all these Western countries would pay tens of thousands of dollars at the time to come in there and snite people. Come on, man. Just when you think, like, there's really, it's really this underground stuff that the rich people are doing that's absolutely insane. Any circles you run in, people talk about this stuff?

you know because you think i'm in those circles i don't know not those circles but you know people talk i don't know you're like borderline illuminati right yeah right i'll ask anybody at the table next time everybody's talking about every next time everybody's talking about duck hunting i'm like you guys ever hunted the most interesting huh don't try that um um yeah i uh now you know you guys remember the movie The Game. I think it was called The Game with Michael Douglas. One of my favorite. Now, I could see that. Like, so sick. People getting, that's where people were hunting him, right? Yeah. And he had to like, they were after him, yeah. Run and execute like a plan or something, but he didn't know what was a game. Spoiler alert, but it was 1980s. That's interesting.

It wasn't 85. Probably 95. Thanks, Will. I was going to go watch it now. It's ruined. Oh, you're right. This is a good movie. By the way, I just started, I just started a show last night. It's pretty good. You have to get over your Mark Ruffalo revulsion, but, uh, task. Pretty good. I finished it. Pretty good so far. It's really good. Episode, one episode in. Also, Pluribus, everybody's talking about Pluribus on Apple TV. Haven't, haven't watched that, but everybody's saying it's great. Connor told me to watch it. It's great. It's from the AI hater, Vince Gilligan, I believe. Yep. That's right. Breaking Bad. Better call Saul's Vince Gilligan, which is enough of a selling point right there.

So there's your update on what to watch. And that is a much longer show that we anticipated doing today. So I'm going to get on out of here and let you get back to your day. I'm sure lunchtime is over. So get back to work. Or they're going to give your job to somebody from India. We'll see you next time. subscription on Apple Podcast, and Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon Music app.