Will Cain Country - Tyrus Celebrates The Celtics & Will Sells You On Soccer
Episode Date: June 21, 2024Story #1: The launching pad to your next dream job: Why TV is now the path to your next big role, from the presidency to coaching a professional sports team. Story #2: Tyrus, host of the Tyrus and T...he Wise Men Podcast, joins Will and The Crew to celebrate the Celtics championship & confirms that Will is going to pay up his end on the bet very soon. Don't forget to watch Fox & Friends Weekend to see! Story #3: Will gives his best attempt to sell The Crew and you on the 'Summer of Soccer.' Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing WillCainShow@fox.com Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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One, the launching pad to your dreams.
The launching pad to becoming a head coach in the NFL, in the NBA,
to becoming the next president of the United States.
The launching pad to your dreams.
Television.
Two, time to pay the piper.
Time to pay my bet over the NBA finals.
Between the Dallas Mavericks and the Boston Celtics,
time to pay my debt to tyrus three summer of soccer let me sell you on football by analogy to football
it is the will cane show streaming live every monday through thursday at foxnews.com on the fox
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A little bit later in the show, a member of our community, Tyrus of the Gutfeld Show, an outkick
is going to jump in and set the stage. Bring in the costume. Force me to pay my debt for the Dallas
Mavericks losing to the Boston Celtics in the NBA finals. He drops off the hat, the belt, the shirt that I will
to wear on Fox and Friends weekend. Plus, hear me out. As every other sport besides baseball
fades into the background, soccer takes center stage. I've already begun watching soccer
five days a week. Euro 2024 and Copa America. But let me sell you on football by making
an analogy to football. Let us start, though, with story number one.
J.J. Reddick, ESPN, play-by-play analyst, has just been announced as the new head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.
With no prior head coaching experience, J.J. Reddick now leads the most recognizable and famous brand in basketball.
J.J. Reddick is your new head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.
It's a pretty fascinating springboard to go from television analyst to head coach,
of the Lakers, but it's not a springboard that we should be surprised by anymore. This seems to be
an more common path to fulfilling your dreams. Earlier this week here on the Wilcane show,
we had Patrick Bet, David, come on to talk about what happens after Donald Trump. He talked
about, in his estimation, who could step up into the void of leadership. And it's as though
Donald Trump has changed the landscape of politics. He's given or validated the value of celebrity
in becoming president. And because of that, Bet David gave us three names of celebrity that could be
the next president of the United States, Mark Cuban, Jamie Diamond, or thirdly, Dwayne the
Rock Johnson. It's as though relevance in celebrity, as recognizability becomes one of the biggest
factors in getting the biggest jobs.
I mentioned earlier this week on The Will King Show that my co-host Pete Heggseth has said to me that he thinks being, for example, a host on Fox News is as quality of a springboard to the presidency as being a senator or a congressman.
And in fact, many have already begun to talk about people like Tucker Carlson running for president.
And it's not absurd.
It's not unheard of.
it might just be the most logical path to these big positions of leadership.
You know, we have seen Joe Missoula rise out of nowhere to be the head coach of the now
world champion NBA finals champion Boston Celtics.
The only head coaching experience that Missoula had before head coach of the Boston Celtics
was a few years at like Fairmont College, Fremont College, two years at a college that today
I can't even remember completely the name.
And yet, because of the firing of Imei Adoka, he quickly rises to take the head coaching reins of the Celtics.
But Missoula, an uncommonly wise person, wise beyond his years, studies, for example, Pep Gordiola, considered to be the or one of the two, perhaps, greatest minds in world football of all time.
the other being Johann Kroif.
Gordiola understands spacing.
And spacing is the key of almost every sport.
Understanding spacing in football, in basketball, and in soccer.
Missoula is tied to his Christian faith and doesn't caught up in American racial identity politics.
Again, an illustration of his, you know, uncommon wisdom.
And he steps into this perch and succeeds.
I think there's true value to experience.
I truly do.
but I also think there's value to leaders willing to look outside of the obvious path
and find people who might just be the one you need to lead your organization.
Now, I would have, had I been running the Los Angeles Lakers, probably looked to Monty Williams.
Monty Williams, the fired head coach of the Detroit Pistons.
Prior to that, the very successful head coach of the Phoenix Suns.
I met Monty Williams once.
I think I've shared that experience with you, just randomly in Hawaii.
And he invited me the next day to go to breakfast.
And I sat with Monty Williams at breakfast and talked about faith and character and leadership.
I've never, I don't know that I have ever at all.
Walked away from a meal, a conversation more impressed than I was with Monty Williams.
But look, Monty Williams is going to get something like $70 million not to work.
I'm not sure that's worth giving up to go coach LeBron James, which doesn't sound like the, I don't know,
the peachiest of jobs.
So they end up with J.J. Reddick.
And while at first you want to go,
what does J.J. Reddick ever done?
He's talked on TV.
Well, he has proven on TV that he knows basketball.
Now, does he know how to lead men?
Does he now to navigate the personalities of LeBron James and Anthony Davis?
Does he know how to make that team more than simply,
whatever is wanted by LeBron?
We'll have to wait and see.
But I don't begrudge the roll of the dice.
I don't begrose to the non-traditional path.
And I think what you're hearing more and more is organizations,
including perhaps the United States of America,
looking beyond that traditional path to find their next leader.
All right, time to pay the piper.
Time to pay my debt to Tyrus next on the Wilcane show.
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Welcome back to the Will Kane show.
The Dallas Mavericks lost to the Boston Celtics in a gentleman sweep in the NBA finals.
And that means it's time for me to pay my debt to Tyrus.
Tyrus of Outkick and Gutfeld made a bet with me
that I would have to wear something like an I-Love Tyrus shirt
or he'd have to wear some type of Dallas Mavericks paraphernalia
depending on the outcome of the NBA Finals.
We all now know the outcome of the NBA Finals.
And Tyrus has dropped by
to give me everything I need to pay my debt.
Huh?
Well, I just noticed your colors aren't very festive.
I was a little worried about you.
You've got a tough week.
What do you want me to wear?
Oh, no, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I would never tell another man how to dress.
The decorum is all you.
I get it.
I thought you might have some suggestions.
No, I've been dressed in the same way since I was 13, bro.
So I'm the last guy to tell.
Now, Charles Payne, we're here.
We could both learn a little something, but.
Because I think, I think, I thought you might actually have,
I thought you might have an example of something I can wear.
Something that I might soon be wearing.
I have brought gifts. I have brought gifts.
Oh, you got gifts.
I brought gifts because, you know, I was thinking about this because the I love Tyrus shirt other than the shock value of all the rumors of maybe it meant more than what it was.
You know, maybe none of one knows the bet just will just shows up all willy-nilly with I love Tyrus.
It would be a hell of a note, right?
So I was like, but he was such a great Maverick fan.
and you embody what fandom is.
Now, I've talked to the board of directors
in the Boston fan department,
and not normally, we're willing to one time make an exception
and welcome you aboard, because you know what?
You were dedicated.
You knew when to give up, which was the most important thing.
And you made the championship just so much sweeter for me,
because normally by now I'm back to my normal rule.
routines but you know you were and in the spirit of champions and something that you probably
never see i have a will cane size green nWA world championship which could be very
celtic like um so this is okay okay you you can put it on your shoulder it goes on your
shoulder and okay on my shoulder looks small but on yours it will look right so this is for you
okay this is for you on behalf of loss of so we're looking at a tiny
little, we're looking at a tiny
little NWA championship
belt. When you hold this, and this is real
leather, I didn't, I spared no expense
for you. No
expense, okay? This will
wherever you go. That's what I thought, Tyrus?
Yes, I tried it on. It fits on my wrist
wonderfully. So it will fit around your waist.
It looks like a throat, it
looks like a throat choker. Like I'm supposed to
show up on
Fox and Friends with like a choker around my neck.
No, just on your shoulder. Here, just right here.
Just right here. And if, and if
People are confused.
That's okay.
That's okay.
Because I'm sure as a man who's made millions upon millions using that mouth of yours to protificate all over the world, people might want to say, hey, what's up with that?
What's going on with that championship?
Why are you wearing that belt?
And you just very, you could just, I got you a nice hat.
A nice, Nuff said hat.
Tyrus Live on the back.
This is for you.
It's fitted.
So, you know, you can put it on, right?
So you have to wear it backwards.
Of course.
These are designed to be backwards.
These are not forward hats.
These are backward hats just for you.
And then because I believe in you and I feel like I don't want to give up on you.
And I think I can get you on board with the Celtics and other Boston great sports.
I've even cut this to fit.
You have your own Tyrus smashed gym shirt.
So now, when you put this bad boy on with this hat and the title, you'll be,
You won't even have to say anything.
Now, Pete Hedgift pulled me aside, asked me for some of this swag.
And I said, no, no, no.
Because we'll earn these.
Your temerity, your focus, you're never-ending, believing in a guy who only plays three-quarters.
I'm just proud of you, and I'm going to leave this here with your good men.
And you know what?
If you don't get around to this weekend, no problem.
Because I know you're busy in Dallas or being whoever you are, whomever.
But when you're ready, I'll be watching.
because I'm ready to throw a Will Kane watch party.
I mean, that itself is going to take off.
I mean, I'm going to come in with that backwards hat on.
Yes.
I am going to have that championship belt over my shoulder.
I'm going to have on that sleeveless tank, and I'm going to be looking like I'm ready for a run to Duncan.
I am going to look like Marky Wahlberg, Circa, 94.
You're ready to go to powerhouse gym and throw some weights down.
You're ready to go hang and bang.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, listen, if I have to make calls, we'll get your lifting belt, whatever you need, Wilcane.
But when I'm done, when you are done, and this shirt, this shirt,
shirt was cut for traps for traps so you're going to be trap zilla when we're done with you because
your traps you're just going to feel the power of championships and being champions because you know
what like i told my daughter when she won her equestrian championship this weekend champions don't get
tired they inspire and that's why i'm here today i'm here to inspire will and these guys thank you
so much for being a great sport i will leave these here with your with your troops by the way there's a
beautiful, beautiful Kevin Garnett Celtic jersey on here.
So apparently one of your teams is a believer.
He's joined the green cult.
Maybe we can mix that into the – maybe we can mix that into the ensemble.
Tyrus, what is – have you lost a bet like this before?
Oh, yeah.
What's the worst bet you've had to pay off?
Eagles Patriots.
I had to decorate my man cave in Eagle's swag
and take all of my Patriot stuff out and donate it to Goodwill.
And, uh, no, yeah, as bad as it was, it was, it continued to, at one point I got a phone call
saying, hey, if you want, you can back out now. And, uh, I was going to do that to you,
but it was a school night. It was a Monday and a school night and I know you're a stickler
for your children's rest and everything. So I did not give you that out.
option. And I only said,
no, man, I'll tell you what, I'm so confident. I'll add
to it. If these guys choke, and literally
as I said that, Tom Brady got
overthrown with the ball, and I thought, you know what,
this might not be the Atlanta situation.
Now, that was when I won where Snoop called me up.
I had a $500 bet with Snoop,
Patriots Atlanta. He calls me up at halftime
laughing. And that's all he's doing is laughing.
So I hung up. Then I got to call
another court in third quarter, laughing
hysterically. Then the comeback
happened. And right around the time when the catch was made, I made a phone call and there was no
answer. And I called again, it was no answer. Then over time, and it was like, listen, I don't
even want the money anymore because you're so hurt, you can't even answer the phone. That's enough
for me. You're free. And when you say that to him, I was going to give you that option to,
but this was a good one for me. Well, it's like, no, it's like a, it's like backgammon.
I mean, you would have had it, you would have been, you would have been in charge of the doubling
Cube. You know, you could have offered me something at that moment, but I wouldn't have, I would
not have backed out, and I don't think I'm, you are not, I am not dealing with that type of man.
Yeah, I will, I'm not dealing with that. Will Kane does not break for anyone. So, I'll give
you my last time that I can remember a big, a big debt that I owed from, from a bet. It didn't
involve sports. So college, a bunch of bros, you know, no, 15, I'd say in the last 15 years,
sitting around, you know, the best times in life for me are either, a bunch of dudes sitting around.
morning after. I love the morning after, Tyrus. I love breaking down the night before the morning
after. I like sitting over a greasy plate of eggs, bacon, and hash browns, or just sitting in
the living room having coffee, everybody talking about what we did last night. But this was actually
night of. And we were in Madagorda, Texas, no electricity and no plumbing. And I'd say there's
about 10 of us sitting around a table smoking as many Marlboro Reds as possible in as little time
as possible. And I got a buddy who was a little bit like Tyrus. I mean, he played
offensive line in the NFL for a few years, not a small man, certainly didn't go on the vegetarian diet
after he was out of the NFL. So off the deck of this house we were sitting on, which is situated on
a runway that surely at one point was used as a landing strip for drug running into Texas,
there's this big water tank, and it's the source of water for this house that we're staying in.
At the top of the water tank, it had a little hole, like a manhole. But I would say,
was probably a foot and a half, two foot around.
And I'm sitting there and we're laughing and having a good time.
And I turned to my buddy who played offensive line in the NFL.
You know, it's a little bit like turning to you, Tyrus.
And I said, $500 if you can get through that hole into the water tank.
Oh, wow.
And the bet was so popular that several other guys said, I'm in.
And it got to a thousand.
And my buddy, who remains one of my best friends in this world, kind of looked at us in the eye, didn't say much,
shook his head no got up anyway went up to the manhole he went to the manhole and there was entirely
too much man spilling over the hole and there was no way he was going to get in this thing i thought
i'm i'm good money and then he does some swimmer move hands above head streamline and start
shimmying like this like a hula you know like swinging the hips and now he's dropping and i'm like
oh my god but he gets to the lats and then he's a dead man right i'm like there's no way because
now the hands are already above the head.
How is he going to clear the shoulders and lats?
And somehow he just worms himself around and disappears into this water tank.
Comes back up, head in a huge smile, and said, $1,000.
So I was on the hook, along with several other guys right there, for a thousand on that bet.
Now, did you double in earth and he could get out.
No, but I did say that the cigarettes, which were.
washed down by plenty of beers, did not fully consider, how's he going to get out of that
hole?
Luckily, it was in as deep as I thought so he could fully stand up and shove himself out
on the way out, scraped up, a little bruised, but deeper in the bank account.
This is not going to be as expensive for me.
No, it's just, it's just your pride.
It's just going to cost my dignity and pride.
Yes, and that's fine.
You know, and you're not alone in those bets.
John Sina is a notorious better.
right? And he loves
to stack the odds against you. So we're
in Almarillo, Texas. Beautiful.
And we're at the famous steak place
where if you can eat the steak, you
get your name on the wall. So
Sina was picking on everyone.
72 ounces. 72 ounces, yep.
And you get to go on the wall. It's a big cowboy thing.
And I'm sitting there and
I'm with the mid-card guys, you know,
and they're all like, Sena's always this and that.
And Sina and I always had an understanding.
I think he just kind of knew, don't mess with that
guy. And it's always,
always been kind of an understanding, right? I don't know if it's the look on my face, but I don't
get a lot of hazing and none of that crap. So, you know, we're doing the thing. And everyone's
afraid. Everyone's afraid. And big show and everyone was all quiet. He's like, anyone, I'll bet anyone
$600, they can't eat this steak. And I leaned over to the one of the guys who was, uh, it was our
truth and a guy named Kevin Kylie, who was kind of like in trouble at the time of the office.
They were messing with him. And he, I was like, hey, this is for you. And, uh, because we used
to make jokes, seen always wins, no matter what, you know, he's a top guy. He always wins.
so I was like he ain't winning tonight
and I said I'll take that bet man
and Sina was like looked at me across the
restaurant like are we
what what you do
the entire group of other guys
were like afraid
and then slowly little hands came up like a revolution
like I've got I got a hundred bucks on Tyrus
and I'll never forget Rosa Mendez was one of the
and she was like 200 on Tyrus
and they're all like it's like
slowly but surely everyone's standing up
so tyrannical Sina he's up to like
$1,500 bucks in bets.
And then, of course, the ones who want to gain favor with them,
so I got $200 a dozen.
I'm with Sina.
I'm with Sina.
So they do the bet.
The pot rises to about $2,000.
The doctor, our doctor is a trainer,
leans over me, says it's very simple.
When I cough is when you drink.
And there's a very specific order to this.
Eat the shrimp and salad first.
He's like, and then I will tell.
Yeah, because it's, Tyrus, it's not just a 72-ounce steak.
It's all the sides.
like a baked potato and the salad.
The salad. It's the salad and the bun, right?
And so I'm following his instructions.
He's basically giving me, he's like in the dugout, giving me signs what to eat, how to eat it.
So I knock it out, right?
And literally it was like the scene in the John Candy movie where it was like I was leaning over this thing.
I had one bite to go.
Cina's like, no, he didn't finish it.
What's that?
And I mean, it was a grizzle.
It was enough grizzle there.
a fat back that could yeah
had its own zip code and they said
no he doesn't have to eat the fat
and then they called it and I was the
winner right and I was I got up I was like
pay up Sina
the best part of that was the
people that voted against him with me
were conflicted to whether they would take the money
or not from Sina like I don't know if I should take
I say you know what I'll hold on to it
while you figure out your conscience okay
so it was a great night here's a funny thing that night
I slept I dreamed of lions
it was the most complete
eating that steak
and here's the best part
the waitress said to me
we're going to take your picture and put your name
on the wall and I just said no
no people will remember
this day forever without any
and I was really proud of that line
I was really proud of that line but
everyone else has forgotten about it so in hindsight
I probably should have took and
taking the pitcher on the wall but those are
the best bets in life
and he's like good luck
good luck wrestling tomorrow with that and luckily the guy was wrestling was like hey bro it's not
your night tonight it's going to be a quick one tonight because I got to digest 72 matches
a steak but yeah those are great bets man and this was a great bet this was fun you know what
we've got Red Sox Ranger games coming up you know I'm all down for some playful stuff if we
see if we make Rangers should make the playoffs you guys playoffs I don't Red Sox that's
kind of a stretch but if it's possible Rangers are in a tough spot as well
Well, but if we meet in the players, we'll reprise this bet.
Yeah, because I think...
Well, okay.
I think they have hangover.
I think they have World Series hangover.
And they're still good.
They're so young.
Rangers are young, man.
Yeah, and they got a bunch of dudes.
But, yeah, you guys are, I think you guys are in a good spot.
They got a bunch of dudes on the IL.
Not the D.L.
That's politically incorrect.
They got a bunch of dudes on the IL.
So that's the Rangers situation.
But for now, I deal with my Mavericks bet.
Fox and Friends, this weekend, I pay my bet to Tyrus.
The champ.
My bet essentially has come down to.
is there. Looking like Marky Mark.
Well, you know what? And look
what he's doing now. Tunnel for Towers. So keep
up. Keep it up, kid.
And with that, I'm out. I appreciate you.
Thank you, Tyrus. See you soon, man.
And tell the family hello.
All right. Thank you, Tyrus. See you this weekend.
There you go. There goes Tyrus.
Make sure you tune in this weekend to Fox and Friends.
As I'll put on the hat, put on the shirt, put on the championship belt,
pay my debts like a man.
All right, coming up, the summer of soccer, we've got nothing else to watch.
So let me sell you on football by making an analogy to football next on the Will Cain Show.
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There's nothing else to watch, just one of 162 games in baseball.
So you might as well buckle in.
You might as well give it a whirl, give it a spin the summer of soccer.
All right, let me bring in the Willisha, the crew here on the Wilcane show.
Two a days, Dan, Young Establishment James, and Tinfoil.
Pat. I, if I am being honest, have already begun to watch soccer this summer. I'm watching
the Euro 2024 and we're about to have the kickoff to Copa, America, 2024. And I know that
virtually nobody cares. Have any three of you shown any interest, or am I dealing with
pure antagonism as I try to sell you on football? Today, by making an analogy to football.
I've been trying for years to get into soccer
and it just hasn't stuck yet
but I do watch it and I like it
after having a Lexi Lalas on
and you guys talking about that
I kind of want to really really actually try to get into it
so I'm open for it
all right
well I have a feeling that young establishment
James and tinfoil pat have a little more antagonism
to soccer so let me play a game with you guys
Euro 2024 has already kicked off
there's three games a day as it is
right now yesterday great game uh spain versus italy uh two powerhouse world war two nations
uh even though spain was wrapped up in its own civil war proxy war for world war two two titans
two world powers two explorer nations square off two of the world's best powers in soccer so let me
make a couple analogies to you guys and see if i can sell you on both euro twenty twenty four
and copa america twenty four all of which will be on fox and fs one so let me start with
even what these tournaments are. Okay. So like, the World Cup is like the Olympics, right? Every country
in the world squaring off to see who can be the best in the world at soccer. Happens every four
years. And I know that's not a good starting point because most people in America don't even
care about the Olympics. But let's think about the World Cup being the Super Bowl. Okay, it's the
Super Bowl. It's the World Series. But you only do it every four years. And then in the off years,
also on a four-year cycle, but rotating so that you have something every two years,
it's like you play the AAL and NL championship games.
You play the NFC and AFC championship games.
It's like Euro 20204 would be like the NFC championship game,
and COPA would be like the AFC championship game,
or the National League Championship and the American League championship.
Euro 20204 is going to crown a champion of Europe,
and COPA is going to crown a champion of Europe.
of the Americas.
That doesn't mean they're going to score off in the World Cup,
but it's a little bit like the second best title to winning the World Series.
You won your hemisphere.
How am I doing so far?
We're following.
It's a lot, but we're following, I think.
Patrick, are you following?
Do you still want to touch the trophy after you win the Copas?
Because you don't want to touch the trophy for, you know, the big one.
Yes.
This is where my analogy fails, because it's,
totally different competition, has no bearing on the World Cup, so you get to celebrate it fully
by winning one of these competitions.
And by the way, these two competitions truly, I think, are well analogized to the NFC
championship game and the AFC championship game, because although the World Cup does bring
in Asia and Australia or all parts of the globe, the best countries in the world at soccer,
are in Europe and South America and so you're getting the best of the best in these two
competitions it's like you never can look at it and go we'll shoot South Korea we'll never know
how they could have been versus Portugal you're getting the best in these two
competitions okay following all right following so that's that's the stakes that's
that's the stakes okay all right now here's what I thought now let's talk about the
countries involved in each now
Now, let's stick with Europe.
As I mentioned, think about it like World War II powers.
And this is what I like about soccer, by the way, is the history involved.
Your big colonial world explorers and nation-state battling countries are the best countries in soccer.
Okay, so think of it this way.
It's England, Germany, Italy, France, Spain.
Basically, if they sent a big Armada West to try to explore the Americas, they're pretty good at soccer.
Obviously, something happened with the Germans, right?
Something happened with the Germans.
And I'm not sure why the Germans didn't strike out to the west.
They dabbled.
Argentina.
Wow.
They were busy.
The Germans were busy fulfilling the other stereotype I'm imposing upon this, and that is World War II powers.
These are all basically World War II powers.
Then there's your civil war and peaceful countries, and these are like your B-level squads.
They're good, and one of them's won the Euros in the past couple of cycles, but they're not
quite those world stage powers.
And that's like Belgium and the Netherlands, they just get renover in the World Wars, or Portugal
and Croatia, which they're either fighting amongst themselves or somehow sit out the big world
struggles.
Those are like your B squads that you keep up with, and they're good.
But Portugal's good.
They're legit.
You know, they have Ronaldo, among many other great players.
But that's how you break down the Euros.
When you come to the Americas, you come to Cope America, it really is about two countries, primarily.
And that's Argentina and Brazil.
That's who you've got to pay attention to, Argentina or Brazil.
And is Messi still playing for Argentina?
He is.
Okay.
He is.
So he still does these.
you need. He still does these things.
He might, this might be his last one. He does
these things. Okay. This is
probably his last one. And
in two a days, the reason he still does
these things is in the soccer world,
like if you want to be a great,
you have to win.
Like, the, Portugal has won
Euro 2024, and that propelled
Ronaldo in the eternal
Ronaldo versus Messi debate. But then
Messi after that goes and wins the World Cup with
Argentina and then gives himself that argument to be made.
But you're never going to be considered the greatest player of all time.
You're going to have a hard time making the case if all of your glory is simply for clubs
and for money.
You're going to have to win for country.
That's just the way it works in this global soccer debate.
But I thought I'd give you some analogies as well so you can keep up with who these
teams are.
All right, let's start again in Europe.
England, they are clearly the Dallas Cowboys.
They are without a doubt, the Cowboys.
They are star-studded across the board.
A ton of recognizable names.
I don't know if they'd be recognizable to you guys,
because you're so out.
I might know so.
I don't know. Let's just try it.
I might know some.
Let's try it.
We can play a real person or not.
Well, they have, let's just see if any of you guys have heard of this guy.
He is considered maybe the best player in the world right now.
They have Jude Bellingham.
Have you ever heard of Jude Bellingham?
No.
Isn't Mbapé, one of the best players?
He's right there.
Okay.
It's Mbapé, it's Bellingham.
That doesn't make him necessarily the biggest star.
He's only 20 years old, so he's got a long run way ahead of him.
That's crazy.
Have you heard of Harry Kane?
That sounds familiar.
Harry Kane?
Yes, I have.
Galician?
Patrick, Patrick Kane?
My friend used to go every time he would score.
Harry Kane.
You almost have to say it that way.
Do we have to bring on the show?
That's what they're saying.
Have you heard of Phil Foden?
No.
Nope.
Have you, you probably have heard of no other big players from England.
Those are some of your biggest stars.
Wayne Rudy, does he still play?
No, he does not.
Landon Donovan?
He's, he's well-retem.
tired, he's American.
This is failing.
But England is the Dallas Cowboys.
England is the Dallas Cowboys, not just because they're full of stars, but because
they feel entitled to win it all, and yet they never do.
And that is, basically, of course, the Cowboys.
Argentina and Brazil.
I couldn't decide which one of these two in Copa are the Chiefs.
But they're both like the Chiefs, like super high-powered offensively, big
stars historically, super athletic.
You know, this is a debate between the two, although Argentina has messy, and so you
would think that would analogize to Mahomes, I couldn't decide between Argentina and Brazil
who better to analogize to the Chiefs.
But they should be good.
They should be exciting.
They should be flashy.
Okay.
Good football, as they say.
Is that what's going to be?
Which team gets the referee calls?
That's the chiefs.
I don't know on the international stage who gets the referee calls.
Spain plays beautiful soccer, the way it's supposed to be played.
Germany, of course, has a system that works like a clock.
And they're very good.
They're New England.
Italy's up and down, very moody, very passionate, just like their people, sometimes good,
one at last time, sometimes flops out in the group stage.
Are you getting to America?
But if you will tie yourself into history, and if you will tie yourself into culture and a few of
these stars, Mbapé plays for France.
France, by the way, kind of fascinating to watch in terms of current events and current
debates, France is an illustration in the immigration debate. As you look at France, and it's
full of guys who clearly, either they or their parents or their grandparents, immigrated from
Africa, with names like Mboppe, all over the field for France. And then there is
America. I did think about this. I think America's the Cleveland Browns.
Oh, like year after year, high draft pick.
therefore a talent base but never able to put together and you say oh how does america have a top
draft pick because we have 330 million people like a huge pool pool to pull talent from intense fan
base and we can't get it together you don't even need think about every sport that we are the
best at oh every day oh you play your own sports like football and baseball all of them james all of them
all of the others, track and field, swimming.
We are, any sport that we decide to, we are the best.
Why can we not put 11 dudes 18 field of bench together that compete with the best in soccer?
And I feel like it's coming.
I feel like we're the Browns.
We got a lot of first-round draft picks.
But we got to put it together at some point.
You sound like a stereotypical Browns fan.
We're going to get there.
We just need a couple more pieces, and we're going to.
to get there. That's what they've been saying for
years, and I feel like that's what we're saying.
Sorry, but the Browns are going to probably
win it this year. They do have
a future quarterback in the roster.
Do you want to put money on that there?
Patrick?
They're backup quarterback.
James Winston.
He'll be the starter.
Let's watch out.
The leader of men.
Didn't see that one coming. I can
usually see it down the road,
but I didn't see that one coming. Should have
known. I was walking into that Brown's cul-de-sac.
Well, okay, let's see if we can stick with this.
I'm going to give you three American players to pay attention to, okay?
Can you name, can any of you name?
I'm thinking of the three probably biggest stars for the U.S.
Can you name any of them?
Can you name one?
I know the biggest.
Any of you, raise your hand.
I know the best one.
Okay, two a days has it.
Okay, set aside, Dan, you have a little more soccer interest than the other two.
Young establishment, James, you can't name one.
You can't name the biggest U.S. star.
I got nothing for you.
Tinfoil, Pat, can you name the biggest U.S. star?
I know it starts with a P, I think.
Peter?
No, no, last name.
Close.
Pedro?
I think it's like Yugoslavian or something.
You're in the range.
By the way, Yugoslavia would have remained good at a lot of sports that they stayed together.
Think how good Croatia and Serbia and all of those countries fractured up are good at basketball and, for that matter, soccer.
Yugoslavia as a unified competing nation,
real powerhouse
Christian
Pulisig
and he plays in the Premier League too right
am I mistaken
and I believe he is
I think Patrick he is
Croatian he plays in Syria
he did play in the Premier League
he's now in Syria
which is Italy
he plays for A.C. Milan
which is one of the powerhouses of Italy
and so for an American to be
at one of those top
top tier clubs and performing
really well is a big time
for an American star.
We've kind of arrived at the point
where they're in the biggest leagues,
but they're often on the bench
in the biggest leagues
or they're in the second tier leagues.
But we've got a handful of guys
who are in the biggest leagues
and performing in those teams
at the biggest teams in the biggest leagues.
And Pulisic, who plays wing,
is certainly the captain
and the best player on America.
The other two I'll tell you is
one, Mr. Dallas, grew up here in Dallas,
played for FC Dallas,
and now he's a star at one of the other
biggest clubs in Italy,
Juventus, and he's playing really good.
That's in Turin.
They're the black and white striped club.
What's his name? They dominated for a while.
Weston McKinney.
I don't know that one.
Weston... Weston McKinney.
He's a midfielder.
He's good.
And he's one to watch.
And then finally, this guy's
had it up and down, but he's breaking through with American.
His name is Gio Raina. And he's super young.
His dad was Claudio Raina.
played for America. His dad ran the academy at NYCFC. Now he runs the academy at Austin FC.
And the story to know about Gio Raina is he didn't play in the World Cup. Now, the head coach of
America is Greg Burhalter. He was roommates with Claudio Raina back in the day when they were on
the national team. Claudio Raina was so mad at Berhalter that he didn't play his son, Gio, in the
World Cup, that he leaked a story, reportedly, about Burrhaler.
Harassing or abusing or some kind of ugly word, his girlfriend when he was single when he was younger, got Burrhalter fired from the U.S. men's national team.
But ultimately, they brought him back, and now Burrhalter is playing Raina.
But Raina deserves it.
He is really good.
But how about that for the ultimate soccer dad story?
You don't play my son, and I'm going to destroy.
destroy you because I knew you when you were younger.
We went out together. I know what you did.
You got me hooked just on that story.
I have one question that could...
On that story alone?
I have one question that could build my soccer cred.
Did I hear something about Yurgen Klopp coming to the United States?
Is that a thing?
Well, the question is, if the U.S. doesn't do well in this cycle, are you just making
fun?
I don't know.
No, I was just trying to, like, throw something out there that would make you
make me sound like I knew anything.
Coach of Liverpool.
That name sounds like...
That would be awesome.
What?
Like he's ready to invade Poland?
No, no.
If you've never heard that name before,
it just sounds like something you'd catch, I don't know.
That's something you would catch.
Out with Burrhalter and Raina back in the day on a Friday night.
That would be awesome, Dan.
You know, what I would be rooting for is the name
I mentioned earlier in this show is Pep Guardiola.
He's coached Barcelona, Bayern Munich, now Manchester City,
and he seems to be coming to the end of his tenure at Manchester City.
And he likes America.
He was at the Celtics games for the NBA Finals,
and he's lived in New York.
It would be awesome if a guy like that came over and took over the U.S. team
and finally put us over the hurdle.
All right, I can feel the mockery, and I can feel the failure.
I haven't sold you on the summer of soccer.
I'm in.
You got me.
If I'm at a pub on a Saturday and it's on the TV, I'll look a little closer at this time.
Here's the great thing.
You can put it on at work.
When you're sitting there, it's on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
9 a.m., I think Eastern time, 10 a.m., 1 p.m. and 4 p.m.
You could have games running all day long.
And once Copa starts, I think that's going to be in the evening.
So you could literally have Euros in the midday.
Copa in the evening, you're going to have it whenever and however you want.
Keep it up with it.
I just sold you.
Summer of soccer.
I'll watch.
We'll support Fox.
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