Will Cain Country - Tyrus & Will Debate The NBA Finals

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

Tyrus and Will have a bet! Host of The Wisemen Podcast, Tyrus, joins The Will Cain Show sports exclusive to break down the NBA Finals matchup between The Boston Celtics and The Dallas Mavericks. Tyrus, a Celtics fan, will wear an "I Love Will Cain" t-shirt on Gutfeld if he loses, while Will would wear an "I Love Tyrus" t-shirt on The Will Cain Show and some of FOX & Friends Weekend when (as Tyrus says) the Mavericks lose. They break down all of the players and matchups that will decide the series. Plus, Tyrus shares stories of the obstacles he overcame growing up, body guarding for Snoop Dogg, and inside the world of wrestling. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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my Fox News friend and co-host, co-host of Gutfeld, former NWA heavyweight champion of the world, and Boston Celtics fan, the perfect guest as the NBA finals tip off between the Dallas Mavericks and the Boston Celtics. We trash talk, we break it down in basketball, and we talk about the life of Tyrus from Snoop Dog

to growing up in a multiracial family to the life of a professional wrestler, but mostly trash talk over the Boston Celtics and the Dallas Mavericks. Here is Tyrus. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Trey Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better

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Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. and football. You don't burn it up in the locker room. You leave it on the playing field. Yeah. Yeah, you get whatever emotional device you need to get fired up. Dan, Dan, okay, oh, we're rolling. So, okay, you're in my house. You're feet her up. Yeah, this isn't, this isn't a happiness. I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in a real Mavericks fan. You probably just pick whatever team in Dallas is doing well. I bet when Spurs drafted the world's longest still, you're like, oh, Spurs, man,

oh, this is my team, Tim Duncan, blah, blah, blah. Rockets get going. Hey, how about those rockets? I am 24-7, 365 days. I bleed green. You understand? It's Celtics. It's our time.

I appreciate you guys showing up. But there is no way that a pudgy 12-year-old Luca Donchis is going to take out the thoroughbreds that are Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown, and I don't even want to talk about Mr. White, quite possibly, oh, and it probably hurt your heart because he's from San Antonio. So, you know, I'm excited. Poor Zingis, the unicorn is here. Like, we are ready to go.

Like, let's go, Will. Oh, this is good. So we are going. We are off and running with Tyrus here on the Will Kane show. So first of all, born in 75, Mavs are launched in the 80s. By 88, it's Rolando Blackman, Marco, McGuire, Sam Perkins, Western Conference Finals against the L.A. Lakers. Who's the greatest Maverick of all time?

It's Dirk. Dirk? Roy Tarpley? It's not Roy Tarpley. He was the great black hope for a while. I almost said I had to, he was the great cocaine hope for quite some time. But he was the guy. The Mavs were, that was the guy.

Like, all I heard about was a kid was Tarpley, Tarpley, yeah, you know. All seriousness aside, man. Yeah, all seriousness aside. I, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, respect the fact that you showed up. That's awesome. And you are a Mavericks fan. So at least that's established. So there will be no excuses. Tyrus. I've been on the text show pre-chain was I'm coming into your house. I'm going to get home court advantage. He's in the Wilcane show studios in New York. He's got his feet up on the table. He's got his hat on backwards. He's got a smile on his face

and he's feeling good. So by the way, my bona fides are inimpeachable. They're there. What do you, I mean, Louisiana, Los Angeles, California. I go with the jobs go. How were you a fan? How do you bleed green? I was born in Lynn, Massachusetts in 1973. I was set in my teams from cry. A move to California when I was nine during the height of the Celtics Lakers fans,

laid my path there. Robert Parrish was my guy. A matter of fact, I would even pretend at Father's Son Day picnics at school that Robert, the chief parents was my dad, and he couldn't make it because he was in the NBA season. That's how deep I was. And even during the tough times when we had Ed Pinckney and Rajda and all that kind of stuff, and then just when I was about to give up, because we had Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce, just when I was going to get, you know, ready to give up, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen show up, and we just, in Rajan Rondo, we just took the world by the horns. And I understand I was

bodyguarding for Snoop during that period. And he is as L-8 out as it ever. And we had a bet on that championship. And if he lost, he had to dress an all-green at a concert. And he had to wear a Kevin Garnett jersey. Now, listen, in terms of, I understand, trademarks and all that kind of stuff, we can't do that. But what I will propose to you in the spirit of the bet with Snoop, that you and I have a little gentleman's bet. Very simple.

Okay. On my side, if my Celtics win this series, I'm sorry, when. myself just win this series. I am going to give you a t-shirt that says, I love Tyrus. And you will have to wear that for an entire weekend of tape. Now, you can wear your little suit coat, because

we know you're all business on the weekends, but as long as you got your little Tyrus shirt on there, it's beautiful. So if you have a shirt that says, I love Will Kane, or Will Kane is right, I'm willing to do the same thing. I'll do two nights of gut fill. If anybody asks me, my answer is the same.

Hey, I just love Will Kane. cane. Why are you wearing that shirt, Will? I just love Tyrus. Just a little gentleman's bet, no problem. Okay. Bet accepted with a few modifications. Counterproposal. I can't wear it for eight hours. I can't wear it two shows. So you don't love your mat. You're never going to wear it because your MAVs are going to win. Your MAVs are not. And listen, I will give you multiple. I understand you get hot and sweaty in there standing next to Pete. So, you know, if you need six shirts to get through it whatever you need baby but here's the thing i'm not concerned i will wear it for five nights on gutfeld then i'll wear it a whole week since you work the weekend i am an actual

working during the week guy so i will do my nights i don't get you know i don't part time it you know okay modification i will wear it here yes and i will wear it on fox and friends weekend but i can't promise because of limited control that i wear it for the entirety of two shows that's fine. That's fine. You do whatever. The outfit changes, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. As long as it, I just need to see the grumps. Because I'm going to repost it. I might even make it my Christmas card. You know? So I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited for this. This was good. All right. Let's, let's say, wait. Now that we took care of the table. Yes. No, we're not, no, we're not getting the serious stuff yet. I, uh, you call Luca a 12-year-old.

Come on now. Come on. Listen. I have the best two players in this series. If I am going to win, and I'm going to use first person, if I am going to win this series, it's on the heroics of Kyrie Irving and Luca Donchich. I haven't laughed that hard since I was a schoolgirl. Wow, thank you. Thank you for that. And just so you know, at least 50% of your team is on my team. So I think I just picked up a new producer.

Let's go as he texts me. Let's go. We can't wait for you to be here. That kid's bright and has got a great future. He's throwing up the W. I love this guy. He's also a Yankees fan. You forget.

That speaks to his character. Kyrie Irving. as a Celtic. And we saw what happened when he got hurt and didn't want to face LeBron. It was Tatum a young rookie that threw that dunk and was within maybe one refs call away from being a young team going to the finals. But I'm not worried about Lucas offense because he's going to, he scores 30, but he gives up 25.

So I'm not worried. And Kyrie has a problem. What's the word I'm looking for? when it matters. So, you know, I'm not worried about it at all. Because Jason, we take Tatum and Brown, we'll X him out, okay? You don't have an answer for a holiday, White, and Porzingas. I'm sorry, the kid with the neck problems.

He's not going to get it done. He's not going six for six. Lively? Lively's going to be, he's got no shot, okay? Listen, this is going to be, and your others, are your others, man, they have no shot. This is, they, the wolves, the world series was shocking, but the, I'm excited for this. On paper, it should be us. And I, me personally, I don't want no sweeps.

Because if we get a sweep either way, the rest of our summer is a little lonelier, a little faster. So we need us to go seven. We need it to go seven. But now we're transitioning in a serious basketball. Let's go. Oh, what? Serious basketball now. Here we go.

We're going to, we're going to, we're going to make. our best case for our teens, but the second part of this I'm more excited about, we're going to get the best case for the other team. So I'll go first. Here you go. First of all, best two players in the series. You're wrong about Luca. Luca is playing underrated defense. No one would argue that he's a shutdown defender, but he's playing good defense. It's not a 30-25 proposition. This Mavericks team plays team defense. And your suggestion about Kyrie is beyond absurd. I mean, this is the guy known for the clutch three-point shot to put the Cavaliers over the Warriors in the NBA finals.

In the final five minutes of this game, I have the best two players. If the Mavs can keep these games close, you're in trouble at the end of the fourth quarter. Derek White versus Kyrie and Lucas. If this thing comes down... How many blocks does White get on Irving? The best blocking guard in the game.

final three minutes, Tyrus. You're going to be puckered up tight enough to create a diamond. I'm going to let you finish. I'm being rude. I'm too emotional. I'm going to pull myself back. Clutch. Clutch are these Mavericks.

Now, I'm not going to get into the strengths of the Celtics yet because I'm going to be gratuitous in a moment and give you your strengths. But to continue my argument for the Mavericks, Derek Lively in particular is underrated. The supporting cast of the Mavs is underrated. Now, I think it's going to come and go. It's going to wax and Wayne. And Lively's like, what is he, 19, 20 years old? In a couple of years, he's going to be a serious force.

I'm mad we don't have them. Yeah. When you see kids like that, a couple years. Let me just, let me ask you this. Has this, has this playoffs, has this with Yokic, has this brought back the big man? We just saw DeMarcus cousin was the MVP in Taiwan. Is the big, because is the big man back? You need to have at least one or two.

Because if I, if there was a hole in the Celtics game, I always thought Marcus cousin, DeMarcus needed to be a Celtic because they don't have an enforcer. That's the one thing the Celtics don't have. have they don't have a guy that's going to be willing to like hard foul and do the little things you know like when they had a kendrick perkins or or they don't have that guy uh the mavericks don't really so the answer to your question well they've got two actually they've got lively and gafford and their their emotional muscle is p j washington he's just he's just a stud he's had some big but the answer to your question about the big man is the 2024 NBA finals the big man is the big man is

back unless the Celtics play lively and Gafford off the court. And you guys have all these players who can shoot the three. And it's scary. It's the scariest part of this series for me is Horford and Porzing is out there on the wings shooting threes. And all of a sudden my big man can't be in the paint anymore. And now you're like, well, I can't play them then. So I got to put Maxi Cleba in to cover these guys. So but if somehow the maps figure out matchups and these two guys lively and Gafford continue to, they're difference makers. The lob game, with Luca is incredible. If they continue to be offensive forces and defensive forces,

then every team is going to be saying, how do we get the center back into the game? But if you guys shoot 23s a game and we can't keep up with the big man, then everybody's going to say, it's Rudy Gobert all over again. You play them off the court. So this series answers your question. Gobert got a lot of heat, right?

He got a lot of heat in the series, but Gobert wasn't the reason why the Wolf's loss. the series at all, you know, because you had Reed coming off the bench and you could have made that, could have made that move. What, what you're, what I saw in that, in that series was just out, out, the Mavericks outworked the wolf, especially inside. They outworked the defensive player of the year in Towns who likes to say he's the greatest shooter, shooting big man and the game. That's the same, they had the same issue I worry about with the Celtics because I don't think you can win a championship with threes. I really don't. Charles Barkley always talks

about it because when the threes go away, what do you got? And that's where a white comes in, a holiday comes in. Harford. Harford, all we need is one. We need one from him. And one game where he just shows out. But again, Porzingis, if he stays out in the line shooting threes, the whole series, the Maverick's going to win the series. He's got to go to work. He's got to go in the post. He's got to make the kids work. He's got to get the Dallas young guys in foul trouble because that will change the game. If we're hitting threes, it's, it's a series is over. I disagree. So here, this is going to be my case for me and my case for you, Tyrus. So this series is going to come down to this. Luka is a basketball genius. So whatever happens,

and I'm talking about in-game. And by the time this airs, we will have already seen game one. And I think game ones don't matter in the NBA playoffs. They matter and it's important to get a win. But that's two teams figuring each other out. And then they're going to employ what they figure out in the rest of the series. but this is a bit of a mystery. But Luca figures out, so this is the genius. He's going to figure out the defense. And the Celtics are great at defense, but so are the wolves. And he's going to figure it out.

He's going to penetrate. He's going to think. He's going to be doing all this different probing exploratory things about what is the weakness. They're going to give him something, and he's going to take some time to figure out what are they giving me here. And that's the biggest asset that we have going into it is, no matter how good your defense is, he's going to find the weakness. I disagree with you in that the Celtics best shot against the mass. is that you have six, I think it's six, three-point shooters. And that negates the best part of the MAVs defense, which is lively in Gafford.

And so if you're shooting, I think the stat I saw is the Celtic shoot. Pritchard's shooting, Pritchard's shooting at a high level now. You got poor, you got Porzengis, Harford, Brown, Tatum, Holiday, White. And then, and then, what's it, Hanson? What's his name, Hans. But he's been horrible in the playoffs. The playoffs have tightened up the rims gotten really small for him. But they got enough guys to shoot threes.

But again, when they play with their head down, the Celtics are tough to stop. Brown, when he gets going. I think I saw the stat. If the Celtics make 15 threes, they're like, they win 80%, 75% of their games. They're like 60 and 2 or something. But you just got to, like I said, playoffs, the refs. I do like this, though. I do like this, what I've seen in the series.

The refs are letting a play. and it is kind of this I'm into that every game was enjoyable this playoff run I mean the Knicks Pacer series I had no interest

in either team other than scouting but it was a great series like even from playing all the way up I think the NBA has had an amazing playoff series every game has been

even when the only thing is blowing my mind is you get up by 20 and you can't hold it that that starts to feel like wrestling to me a little bit like these guys get up this they get up 18

they get up 20 and the other team whittles away And it comes down to basically, if you turn the game off and did all your work and came back and watched the last two minutes of the game, it's been exciting. So I think for the NBA in the spirit of that, but what usually happens is then you get into the finals, and then one team just completely routes the other one, which will destroy all the great entertainment we've had. So I think it could be a blowout. I do disagree about the first game is huge for the road team because if they steal, they only got to steal one. and if they steal the first home game, then game two, they're playing with house money.

So I think for the road team, because if you get that, if you split the series in those first two, which the Celtics are known to do, we'll have one game we'll win by 20, and then the comeback out, I think it was Miami, the next night we came out, and we got blown out. Like the Celtics, when they don't show up, they don't show up. And the other thing is, I will give you this. The Mavericks have an advantage in coaching. Huge advantage with Jason. Oh, you think so?

Oh, not even close, because here's a difference. As much as I like Missoula, if a player's look to him at Clutch, he doesn't have an experience story. He doesn't have a, hey, I was there. This is how you're going to do. Like, Jason Kid is, you have one of the greatest point guards of all time, which I think makes a great head coach who's been there on both sides of it. When he was with the nets, he couldn't get over the hump.

And then when he got one with the Mavericks. So they have experience. This is where the Yodoka thing might come back to bite us on the ass because we don't have now. They brought in Sam Cassell, and there's a guy who's been there and done it all. But when you're looking in that huddle and you look to that coach who's been there, I think that's an advantage. A guy is like, he'll understand the butterflies.

He'll understand, you know, keep shooting. And I don't think you get that from Missoula. Well, Missoula is four-in-oh against Jason Kidd. And by the way, the Celtics owned the Mavericks in the regular season. Let's put a pin in basketball for a minute. So although we know each other, we haven't had a chance to like talk in depth There's three things I want to ask you about your career, okay, three in your life, three more, three parts today that I'd love to explore with you. And you brought up one of them. Bodyguard for Snoop. By the way, Snoop Dog, not a big fan of Will Kane, once called me a devil.

Yeah, that's when I was on first take. Yeah. I was arguing about the Washington Redskins nickname, and he posted onto Instagram or one of those social media. Stephen A, you've got to get this guy off here. He's a devil. So Snoop Dog, not a big fan of Will King. You were his bodyguard. Yes. He's very passionate about his sports. And Will, let me tell you this. You are a devil.

You are a verbal menace, but we love you for it. You are the proverbial pain in the ass. We'll be sitting around a table talking about sports. Everyone will give Michael Jordan praise. And then Will Kane will get on there and piss everybody off. And then they're even mad because you'll hit them with fast. That's one of the things I liked about you. You are unapologetic.

You do not fear size, nothing. Lesser men would have been like, just give Tyrus whatever he wants. He's literally got his feet on your guy. I think name-calling in the realm of sports, it's almost a badge of honor because that means that you are getting to the other side of the other team. And just curious, I'm assuming like me, you think the name changed was stupid, correct? I'm assuming they're changing redskins to the commanders was absolutely stupid. Okay, so I don't, with this one, I would then look at Snoop would be like, I'm out of mind, bro.

Like, you mad at him for that? It's got to be something else. You probably said something disparaging about the Lakers, so, or the Ravens. I was in the firestorm of every racial conversation in America at that point, so he probably had already decided. You know what, though, you handled it well. I've always been, but when you came here, I was excited. I was when you first, I saw you in the hallways, I was like, oh, business just picked up. I always have had, I said.

I said that to you. It's a business just picked up. I always like a guy who cannot just spit his stuff, but it comes from knowledge. You're not reading a piece of paper. And you can find, especially if you got an edge on somebody. What was it like, man? What was it like working for Snoop? I appreciate that. Yeah, what was like working for Snoop? Boring. and one of my buddies, Keyes, was working a detail, and his manager, Big Papa, who was running security, was like, hey, how can I get that guy? I like him. And I started working a couple nights, and then I left my first run with the WWE,

and when that didn't work out, I came back home. I made a call, and they're like, yeah, we got a spot for you, and we're going on tour, and then it just started, I started on day, I was on day shift, and then eventually it just came down to me and Keyes, pretty much traveling everywhere, and then once the full, youth football season started that our relationship changed incredibly because as the office of lineman,

and I played at a high level, and watching kids not play with their feet and hands and the O line drives me insane. You know, that old thing where you see guys teaching them like that and I'm going crazy and the defensive kids are playing with their hands and making the O line look stupid, but I was stuck. I had a quandary because I'm a bodyguard. So my job is there to watch Snoop not interject myself, into football. And I'm watching, I'm watching, and somebody saw my facial expression, and KD, which is his, he is basically his GM runs the entire Snoops League. And he said, hey, you got a problem?

I said, yeah, man, who's coaching your old line? They're not using their hands. You know, like, help the kids out. They're getting smoked. And they're like, oh, you think you know everything? I was like, hey, I know a little bit about blocking on the old line. And he said, oh, okay. I said, well, just give me five guys.

Just give me any five guys. let us go mess around for an hour and then we'll come back in scrimmage. So it gave me the bottom of the barrel kids. I called them my misfits. And the first thing I said to them was like, you guys know who John Wayne is? And of course, no.

So I was like, oh, great. He walked, you know how he walked? I had to Google it on my phone to show him how he was walked to get them all to be pigeon-toed. And I said, that's how you got to be in your stance. And I'd explain it to him, if you start like this, you end up like this.

You start like this, you end up like that. So I'm doing all these little things, and we came out there and teaching how to make their hands like a diamond, and hit the kid in the chest. First play from scrimmage, we were up the middle. I think we broke for like 15 yards. And Stoop just said, hey, you're my old line coach.

I said, well, I'm bodyguard, man. I was supposed to be. And he's like, no, no, no, you're, you're it. And then we started our coaching. And then I was like, and then it just, we got in the season. We had a great season. And then, of course, my old line became my kids. And we were driving them everywhere.

And Snoop provides buses. and he probably loses a million dollars a year in these youth football leagues to the kids and doesn't really charge him anything and then it just kind of changed from there and then it was pretty much just a travel out just me and him and I was really comfortable and then the WWE kind of sparked back

and he was just, I went to him and I said to me straight up he's like, look man I keep you as a bodyguard forever man you're great but I know you're not happy standing behind somebody. It's just you're too, you know, you're funny you know, all these things, this will always be here. Like, go chase the WWE, do it.

That's awesome. And I went. He didn't have to say those things, so, and that's why my wrestling name was Brodus Clay, out of respect for him, because it was his pep talk. Because I had things, at the time I was in my first marriage, I had at home, like, I was settled, I was set, but, you know, he just said he saw the look in my eye at times where, like, you're destined for something else, man. And so I took the chance, and I don't think I would have had he not made that,

had not pulled me aside and gave me that speech. Hey, what was peak tyrus? Like, either wrestling or playing football, peak tyrus was what kind of physical size and shape and height and weight? What were you? I was about 332 pounds. I was benching about 600, squatted a little bit under around 755. And the problem was, the, physically, I was,

Every coach in America, I was basically a version of like a Roy Tarpley. This kid has all the intangibles, but he is mentally just fucked. I mean, I had anger issues, was uncoachable at times, very difficult to be close to, didn't like being told what to do. The aggressiveness of football got it out for me, but I did not have the ability. to turn it around. And then I got in the situation was, and this is the one thing about football,

is you can be the most talented guy at your position, but if you're not a good team player, it's not going to work out. You can't leave... Especially offensive line. You can't leave your guard on an island because all I care about is getting my block. You know what I'm saying?

And it took me a while to learn that, and it hurt me a lot. It hurt me with opportunities. and then I had coming out of Nebraska, I had the Denver Broncos and the Office of Line coach for the Chargers had sent me a couple like, hey, there's some things, you need to be training, do this other stuff, and we're going to work for a workout for you.

And I remember he called, and I, for whatever reason, panicked and had an anxiety attack and didn't answer the phone when the Chargers called, when the O-Line called me, probably to tell me where I need to go for my workout. I waited the weekend, called on a Monday, and he said, hey, our roster's full, son. Good luck. And that, but again, had all the, on paper, I had it all,

but just didn't have that guidance, no agent, couldn't, didn't trust anyone. So I had to grow up a lot. And it was a painful lesson to me that you can have all the intangibles to be on the field, but if mentally you're not right, you're a risk. And no one's taking a risk on a division, Division 2 independent O'Lyman when there's no reason to. So that was... You're benching 600.

Yeah. You're benching 600. What do you guess, Tyrus, our mutual friend, my co-host, Pete Hegg-Seth, is throwing around at age, whatever he is, 43, 44. Okay, so he's probably got... Today in the gym, what's he doing? I'd say, Pete, probably, I would go middle threes, maybe four. Really?

Yeah, because, one, he's a father. Okay? All right, and I'm not saying he's the father. He's got, what, 17 of them? So his body, his core. He's not benching 400 pounds. He's not benching that. Can you?

Listen, I have to be nice to Pete because then he lets me host the Patriot Awards. So, you know what? I would be willing. You know, I feel like there's a bench off here between Will Kane and Pete. Because, you know, I just moved to New Jersey area. I'd be happy to come in on a weekend to do it. I learned this week, my friend of several years, I'm actually known him for more than a decade,

but hung out with him on a regular basis for several years now. I learned this week, that producer, who's a frontrunner through the glass that you referenced, who's a Yankee Celtics and fan, told me that Hegset is warming up with 2.20s. And then Hegseth came in here and said, yeah, and he works up to 275. And it blew my mind. I said, man, you're 190. I don't know what he weighs, 190, maybe 200.

I know in no world did I expect him to be pushing up 275. Okay, well, first of all, do we have a video of this feat? That would be my question. Testimony. Because, you know, just like just like sometimes people catfish a little bit on the Internet. lie a little about the height and weight. I do notice with certain people when it comes to weights, no one warms up with 225.

I warmed up with the bar first, then you put the 45 on there and you loosen up, and then I get to repping out the 225s to get going. But no one just throws it on there. So that would be my first kind of like, hmm, because I've, unfortunately, bench-pressed, dudes like to lie. They like to stretch the truth a little bit. Real quick, let's go. Let's go to the eyewitness testimony. James, what was he doing in the gym?

Hand on the Bible. He did start with 225, although to be fair, I wasn't watching close enough to see if he did 10 reps or not. And I didn't see his final weight. And he did kind of balance it out when he went ponytail on the elliptical. It kind of felt like that. Excuse me, what? I'm sorry, he did what? He had a man bun on the elliptical? Yeah, it felt a little Westchester mom. I don't know. Oh, man, I am... He's got to get the cardio in. I'm on a mission now. I'm going to train Will Kane to destroy Pete, man, bun on the bench.

Please do. You give us one month, because I guarantee you, Kane's not using his legs when he benches. And that's the key to bench press. It's your legs and hips. Is the difference between benching 300 pounds and 500 pounds. It's all in your legs. Now, I have the footage. I will send you guys the footage.

I think it's $5.55 on Bension, and you will see, I will send you, and you will see what it looks like. And I think Will Kane has the athleticism to get his feet underneath him and just launch it up. I need it. And it's going to be epic. I like the one-month training regimen. Oh, that's all we need. I will give you everything you need to do into the Grey State of Texas. I mean, you're already shredded.

You're already shredded, so it's not like we got a lot to work with. We don't got to cut them all down. You don't have the little love handles that Pete has. So, I mean, it's like you're in, you're in shape, you're ready to go. So this will be a no-brainer. But I think you could beat Pete. I want to see his 225. Your benching 600, the late great departed Larry Allen.

Very Allen, greatest man of all time. 705, like nothing. 705. I witnessed it. Yes. I witnessed his, he was called the Beast. He went to Sonoma State. I, myself, was being recruited in his image to Sonoma State until I realized how much

financial aid paperwork. I had to fill out. And I was like, man, I'm not going to get this one done. When I was in Dallas, I was training in Louisville. Quincy Carter was the starting quarterback. My agent had me move out there, and I was working out and training and getting a chance to do fast switch in Louisville and stuff. And Larry Allen took me out. Me and my buddy, Martin Simmons, rest his soul, played for the University of Colorado. He was a center. And he he took us out of the town. And with all due respect, he was not the most handsome man that ever lived. But they loved him so much in Dallas that I looked like a...

Country boy. Oh, man. But like... Big old, big old water, Copenhagen in his lip. And he had to lean in to hear what he was... Huh? Say what? But when he grabbed you, when he... There was certain guys that you could just feel raw power.

Larry Allen, the best way to describe someone similar to him is like, Henry is just you could feel the power you know and um my favorite story larry allen is in the 90s when the cowboys were dominating the packers in like the divisional round of the playoffs before they would go on to meet the 49ers in the conference finals every year they just they not only physically dominated the packers they mentally owned the packers like i've read the stories about the packers knew there's this and larry allen this is back when emitt smith was there and he'd walk up The story is he'd walk up to the Green Bay defensive line after they broke the huddle, and he'd go, chew, chew, and everyone knew what it meant.

And he told him what it meant. We're running right behind me. And it's going to be coming right behind me, and he let them all know the play ahead of time. And there was nothing they could do. That is the greatest thing an offensive lineman can do. In college, that was also my thing. 23 power, baby, what you got? And I had an old school coach by the name of Coach Boroff,

who did not appreciate that type of talk. Recently at my junior college, I was honored to be in the Hall of Fame there. And my office of line coach who gave the speech, he's like, I never knew a guy to be on the field that never shut up. He's like, I would always wonder, how does he talk as much as he can talk to everybody and still breathe? And now what I see what he does in his life,

it all has come full circle. So talking trash is the Office of the Lyman. That is the ultimate thing. Another thing you do is give the defensive lineman ridiculous compliments because D. Lyman are feelings and sensitive and their reaction. They're like dogs chasing a tire. And if you give them a compliment, it blows their mind. I remember his kid was playing Portland State and his line, D.N. is lined up.

And after the first play, he ran by and the past play and locked him, I was like, man, you're really fast, bro. You might be the, there's a bunch of scouts here looking at me. And you're making me look bad, bro. I don't know what we're going to. You know, and he's like, really? really? I was like, yeah, really, man. And then you see the guy smiling a little bit. Now you own him, because now he thinks he's your friend. And the next play, you chop block him or leg whip him to let him know,

we ain't friends. But they will fall for it. They will absolutely fall for it. And telling him the ball's coming right here, they want to fight you. I cannot tell you how many guys are on the pile punching me underneath and trying to get it, gouge my eye. Meanwhile, the running back is 12 yards down the field. But like, hey, you won the fight, man. You're doing really good. I don't know if I'm and bank it. So I miss that aspect of it. That was the best, but it served me well because it unknowingly was grooming me for this life. So it all, it all came. Well, I mentioned there's three things about this. There's three things about your life. I said I wanted to ask about one was one was that, was about your experience with Snoop Dogg. Second, okay, you've written in your

memoir and, you know, it's people have talked about it. You've talked about it. I find it always fascinating when someone has unpredictable or interesting thoughts on race. You have an unpredictable and interesting life on race. Your dad is black. Your mother's white. I've seen you've written that, you know, it splits your family up in a way. You didn't get to live with your mom because her family didn't accept that she had two black kids. Spent some time with a foster family.

And I believe you said, even made you wish away or, you know, try to get rid of black skin because you thought it would help reunite your family in some way. I'm just curious all that, Tyrus, how it informs, because, like, that would give you plenty of reason in life to feel like your skin color defines who you are, and you could have leaned in to all of the identity politics of the past half decade or whatever it be, but you're still unpredictable and have obviously independent thoughts on it. So I'm just curious, like, you know, how all of your life experience ends up forming where you are today. Well, I did fall for it. I think everybody, young black men, probably, and white men too, we all fall for the narrative because there's a comfort to it. Like, for me, not making it to the NFL like I was supposed to, I had my golden ticket

for the rest of my life. I can even remember the stupidness of sitting with a couple of my buddies who was, I got my agent got a call from Detroit, and we were waiting to see if they were going to bring me in or not. And we were waiting to hear back, and I remember it didn't work out. And I said to my, yeah, man, Detroit didn't bring me in because they didn't want no more brothers on the office of line. And I just remember, and I think about that now when I laugh. So the Detroit Lions didn't want another O-Lyman that was black.

The NFL, like that's, that was the reason. It wasn't that I didn't have the best workout. It wasn't that, you know, I'd been sitting out for a year. None of those things mattered because I was so comfortable in using the excuse. Being the club instead of like, hey, man, are you playing ball? No, man, white coach got a problem with me. And it's just, and it's not until you have to fail so horribly to where there's no one left to blame. And when you're sitting walking in a park with nowhere to go, 24 years old, there's no white man to blame at that point.

At some point, I have to look in the mirror. and once I started owning my, like, hey, you know this is bullshit. The reason why you got fired was not because you're black is because you were 15 minutes for work late for work every day because you sat there and bitched about you how you didn't want to be there and how you were waiting to call for your agent. So I had to grow up and I grew up by fire. And I can tell you, man, at one point I was thinking about being Muslim for all the wrong reasons.

I was willing to spend so much energy looking for excuses, which we see today all the time. And then it became fashionable. Being a victim became fashionable. Luckily, for me, there was no, it was not fashionable when I was doing it because I would lie so much about my fake success, which meant I really wasn't comfortable where I was at. And the only way it was going to change, there was no white night going to show and be like, you know what, Tyrus, we were wrong, and we're going to give you all these things. And I realized that everything I just shut my mouth up and just did work, worried about me, pretty soon that meant when I would hear people blame, on white people for their problems, I would just laugh and be like

it's white people. And it's a form of narcissism also because you are so important. You are so valuable with your part-time job at Burger King and no car and dating a girl with car seats so you can get driving around and shit,

that your life is so important that there's a team of white scientists sitting around all day thinking how we're going to mess with it. There's a whole group that like they have a list of names. And I'm at the top of the list. We have to keep Tyrus from succeeding. We just can't have it. And as stupid as that sounds, once I would say things like that, when I got success, I was like, okay, this is the step one. But I started betting on myself, and I also started holding myself to accountable. And my life became so much easier because when something went wrong, I didn't say, oh, Will Kane, man. He brought me on a show and he tried to embarrass me. That's why I didn't get my own show or whatever. When I, When you focus on yourself, your life is so much easier because you can fix the dude in the mirror. You can own the dude in the mirror and you can look yourself dead in the eye.

And when you're honest with yourself and you don't, you don't, and you also stop surrounding yourself with people who do the same shit you do. You all sit around together and pass around a joint and complain about how the white man. You're going to be doing that for the rest of your life. When you know every TV show on during the day, you're messing up. So it took a lot of failure. Yeah, that's a great point. It took a lot of failure. and to recognize it

and then I looked at it and a common thing to do is to blame white people for your problems but then when I go back and look at the people who helped me, who believed in me everyone was a different shade of something. You know, whether it was a man, a woman, a coach, whether they're Asian,

black, white. There is somebody somewhere that believed in me and we didn't look anything alike. So I started focusing on things like that and just being honest with yourself and when you do that your life is so much, easier, but you're going to get pushed back from people. It's like crabs in a bucket. They like to stay and you start to crawl out. Everybody wants to grab you. And we see it today. If you vote

independent based on your tax bracket and you just happen to be black, the President of the United States says you're not black if you don't vote for him. That's as Jim Crow as it gets. So becoming an independent man feels great. I vote like whatever I want. I live my life. But when something goes wrong, no matter what it is, I always looked at what I could do better. And it's not easy. It sucks at times. You get frustrated, but when you focus on self, it's amazing. And that's my advice. Like, you don't listen to anybody. If anybody's at the same level you are telling you how to get ahead, why aren't they ahead? Man, I love so much what you had to say. I really like the part also about it. If you find yourself sitting in a room and everybody's thinking or saying

the same thing, you know, it should be a little bit of a reality check. And that's really the environment. I really want that environment for this show. I mean, I just want more people around me that make me, because it's not that I have to prove myself wrong, but maybe I end up proving myself right, or maybe I'll prove myself wrong, or whatever. Or you continue to iron and grow. Like, that's the thing. Like, if they were like, hey, would you sit in the room with all these great psychologists for a conversation? Yeah, but I probably won't say much because I'm going to absorb and learn. And, you know, maybe after the third meeting and some research, I can add something from my perspective, but I have to be able to listen first.

Putting yourself in an echo chamber, I mean, after a while, it's the same damn show over and over again where you come up and you do the things. You've got to challenge yourself. Right. You've got to have people you're not comfortable with. You've got to do those things. And one of the things that I always respected about you at ESPN, you end here, is that regardless of who it is, you're going to be a journalist first.

And you're going to ask questions, and they're not, you don't throw softballs. and it doesn't matter how they vote or whether you agree with them in ideology or not, you still hold them all to the same fire. And I think that is a rare... I don't even know if I consider myself a journalist. I don't even know. I'm curious and honest. That's what I'd

like to think. That's what my target is. I'm naturally curious and I always want to be honest. And so that's just where you go. But honesty is a dangerous word now. No one likes honesty. Like when you're honest with people, there's no feelings in it. You're just telling them hey you're not and when you hit people with facts right now feelings are so easy to get mixed up when right now we have a feelings administration they push feelings it's how you feel opposed to

what's going around around on you and so it's very easy to get caught up in that because it's very seductive because it takes all accountability away from yourself and when you're not accountable for anything you're not you're not growing you can't be better and it makes it easier for those of us who are willing to sacrifice and give up some of the pleasures in life to get the work done. You don't go to the club. You go your ass to bed early. You get up, you go to the gym. You do what you need to do to be mentally at your best, and you're going to miss out on some

stuff, but you're building something. And so they just make it easier for those of us are willing to do the work. The third thing about your life that I wanted to ask was about wrestling. And I don't know exactly. I don't have the pointed question, and I don't have the moment in your career that I want to ask about. try to do that, like use one moment in someone's career as an illustration of something larger. But here's what I think of when I think about your career and the industry of wrestling. Your champion, NWA, several tours, like you said, with WWE, is this. You know, it's not unlike

this business. Everybody talks about cable news in that it's a little bit, it's not a zero, it's a finite amount of places that you can end up with a certain number of chairs. And And in a lot of ways, it attracts the worst of everybody's personality or the worst personalities. Because then it's a backroom fight about how do you get that chair and how do you undercut and all this stuff. And the truth is what you're doing now at Outkick, what I'm doing here, is cathartic for me, career-wise, but emotionally. I get to do what I want to do and I got to create something that didn't exist before. I didn't have to fight anybody for it. But most importantly, I didn't have to convince I don't know who of my worth for my opportunity.

And that's the big thing about cable news, or not just cable news, ESPN the same thing. Well, just entertainment in general. Yeah, it's convincing the executive to give you the shot. And wrestling is the same way, right? Because I would think, the hardest part I thought, maybe I'll ask Tyrus about breaking in. But I'm not even sure breaking in is the moment. Because becoming champion is a huge moment. At some point, you have to get, you know, Nick Con now or, you know, Vince McMahon then or the executive in charge of NWA to say, it's you now, Tyrus.

You need to get a phone call. I just find that's such a tough life, man. And we're a part of it, both of us now in a different capacity. You live, your entire career is based off somebody's pen. And that mentally can be tough. I think the WW, and I have the, to where I always get put in a box. Like, he's in wrestling, he's like the heater. Like, you'll put a smaller champion, this big monster behind him.

And like Arne Anderson was the greatest enforcer, but Diesel and all these other guys, and you get to be the enforcer for a while. And then, in some cases, the enforcer ends up becoming the star. So it's very, it's a very good spot to be in. And I started out, when I finally, like, debuted, debuted, I was with Alberto del Rio, and I was his heater. And we were in the main event and all across the country, wrestling Edge and Christian and Ray Mysterio. And we're building all these things, all these things. And then the writers, you know, you do a whole thing for six months.

You're building, you're building, you're building. Now, when you're the bad guys, that means for six months, you're going to get your ass kicked. And the payoff is that, you know, he's, Alberto does something, Tyrus Boop. And he, you know, he becomes champion. And then all of a sudden they'll change it the last second. And all your work for six months means nothing now. And that's very frustrating. Or they decide, and

what would happen with me is Tyrus is really good. He can do whatever we ask him to do. So sometimes you become a victim of being good because, well, he doesn't need a push. He doesn't need a belt. We can just put him anywhere. And I was a part of a group when you think about guys

that had it. And then you've got to deal with the other thing is no one wants to let go of their spots. And one of the toughest things of the WWE was the success of the attitude error. Those guys still wouldn't let anything go from that era. So what would happen in before would be when young guys were coming up, the established guys would get them over. You know, you'd have a match with a Rick Flair and your neck, Sting, Sting Flare, Sting finally beats Flair, and you have a new star. Well, what was happening with us was would wrestle the attitude error guy and we'd get

our ass kicked. And on top of that, he'd be calling us, you know, every cuss word in the book, attitude error. We're PG errors, so we'd be like, you can't cuss, you can't insult, you can't do this, and the other guy can. So we never really got the, they were able to just pick one of us, any one of us to be in there. And that was extremely frustrating at times at the WWE, like your toy's doing great, you're doing great, you want more, and then you got to run the thing. If you go to the office one too many times, you go on the wrong day, you have a bad attitude. And it's extremely stressful. And for me, I don't think I appreciated my best moments in the WWE because I was always worried about what I wasn't getting. And it would eat at me.

And then you get guys like, why are you not wrestling taker? Why are you, you know, this, that, whatever. And then somebody like, man, you're this, you're that. And then you just start getting frustrated. And then your dream becomes a nightmare. And it's not until you're gone that you look back can go, man, I had all that. And I didn't smile one time. And that was another thing that I had to, like, really look at myself in the mirror when it came to wrestling. And then I changed an attitude, very simple change of attitude with Billy and W.A. And even Impact Wrestling, same thing. Rose to the top there. And then Billy, I get the call from Billy going, hey, I want you to be my champ. And I literally laughed at him. I was like, why now? You know what I'm saying? Like,

I had turned it into, like, I want to be like Hacksaw Jim Duggett. And and King Haku and Andre and Big John Stud and Mr. Wonderful. They never had championships. They just kicked ass. And it was fine. They became bigger. Grillo Monsoon. They became bigger than the belt.

So I was like, that's cool. And then Billy Corgan messed it all up. But once I heard that three, the, oh, I don't need a title of stuff, was out the window. I'm on one knee with tears in my eye, thanking Dusty Rhodes and thanking everyone before us and hugging it. And like, until you actually experience that. And they can say simulated combat or whatever, but there's something about your peers coming out, clapping to you being you're our guy.

It doesn't matter what level. It's an this amazing thing. And then next thing you know, I was able to take the NWA championship and bring it back to prominence. I mean, there was a, the NWA, everyweight championship was in the Super Bowl commercial

with lines. Yeah. We did the gut felt thing. Right. Right. And even the W.W.E. had a commercial at the Super Bowl, but they didn't have any lines. so it was like a full circle kind of a thing but it is it is a life that you

have to really be mentally okay with you your confidence because it's one thing simulated combat and you lose to your buddies or your friends you put a guy over but there's the other side of it is when you're 6-8 357 pounds and you lose to a guy who's the size of your leg the crowd doesn't let it go like you will

you know what I'm saying like it's not like Ray Mysterio kicks my ass. I'm like, man, thanks, Ray. And then I'll go to, how does a guy that you weigh more than 200 pounds kick your, you know, and it's just like, you want to say, hey, man, it's a work. But then you're like, yeah, they're right. They're right. You know, and then you start getting pissed all the time.

You know, my kids are older and they'd watch some of my matches. And they'd be like, Daddy, how did Sam Punk? How are you losing? You out? And I was like, because I won't, you know, I won't ruin the fun for them, you know, and especially for my son because his grandfather is Haku and his uncles are back in the WWE right now. And they just, it's on my social media. He took a picture with his uncle T, who's Loa, and he's two inches taller than him now.

So the 12-year-old's taller than the meanest guys in the WWE right now. Real quick. So control. Control is kind of a real big factor in my happiness. And that's these careers that we have, you and I both have now, we just have so little control so it feels like in the end we don't have control of our own happiness

until you get to the right mental state right and so then you told me your breakthrough isn't the big moment you kind of said that's right that's right I'm curious when were you happiest was it when you were champion

like in wrestling did you feel fulfilled and happy at one moment my first WrestleMania Stephanie McMahon came up to me it was kind of cool Snoop was there and I hadn't seen him

because I'd been training and stuff and all that good things and I see him walking up the thing and he's a wrestling fan and he was like bro, it's Clay and it felt good that they were all and I saw all the bodyguards and they were all happy

and they were so proud and excited that I had not just that I had took the risk but like it inspired some of them like my good buddy Tiny who was he's seven foot tall and he wanted to do commercials, and he's literally done every damn commercial.

If you go to the movies, the M&M commercial, the guy who's tied up and like, I don't know. That's one of Snoo's bodyguards. That was one of my buddies, we call each other brother. But he was like, you've inspired me to want to go do things. And he doesn't even bodyguard anymore because he's just Mr. Actor now. But when you're getting ready to do that, and I'm getting ready to go out, and Stephanie McMahon says, hey, come here, walk with me. And she doesn't get enough credit for how compassionate she is, especially towards the people that work for her. her. And she's like, listen, when you go out there, it's going to feel like you're in front

of a city. It's going to be, you're going to feel electricity. Just do me one favor. And I was like, yes, boss? She said, remember to breathe. And I thought to myself, how silly is that? Who forgets to breathe? And I had to come out on the side because Alberto had this big fancy car and I didn't fit in it. So I had to come out on the side while he did his car entrance, right? Big guy problems. And Tony Correa, another old school guy who's sitting in the corner right there, and I get ready to walk out, and he grabs my hand, he was like, this is first of many for you. And I was like, and then when I walked out there,

and I feel that in Atlanta, and the place was buzzing, and we had the hottest feud in wrestling, and I'm walking out there, and I get to right where the part where the steps are, and my stomach is cramping up uncontrollably, because I forgot to breathe. And I literally had to say to myself, take a breath, and it was like the breath that your kids make

when they've been crying too long, but I got it once I got that breath it was all like then I belonged then it was awesome then I turned and looked at the crowd and I gave him my little sinister smirk

and they're calling me every name in the book and booing the hell out of me and I was getting a lot of heat because the promo I had cut about I was in Cleveland and said I'm out of here faster than LeBron James so I was like getting that heat

yeah at a time it had just went down it was like I was like it was too soon but it was for me it was like, that was the moment I was like, man, I'm here. Like, you know, and then, that was probably the moment for me,

was just everybody that I wanted to prove wrong was there that night. And so that was probably for me the great. Winning the NWA championship would be number two. And probably the best thing was realizing that through all of it, I never needed the belt. I never needed the belt.

And forever on there with all the guys that I grew up watching, and because Andre never wanted it. It's the only reason why I'm the biggest NWA champion of all time because Andre could have had it like that, but he didn't want it. So I took a lot of pride in that. And at the same time, it was also nice getting to a point in wrestling

to where I only did it because I wanted to. And I think that changes everything. It's different when your levels of desperation are. All right, let's end where we started. Here we go. All right. I've got one. I've got two. I submit that you've got three, four, five, and six.

Luca over Jason Tatum, Kyrie over Jalen Brown, and then the Celtics problems begin. Drew Holliday, Drew White, maybe Porzingis, we'll see about his calf. I don't, not Horford. I take lively over Horford. Okay. Who am I missing. You know what? The problem is three through six or seven is all green. He's taking it off. I'll see your ass. He's locking out.

Okay, there it is. The bet's on the table. Boom, it's on the table. Who's wearing the shirt? Will or Tyrus? We find out very soon, here on the Will Kane show. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Tyrus.

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